It's Not Plagiarism If You Link To It: Big Ten Talkin' Football Playoffs, Playoffs?
by PSD on Feb 7, 2012 9:00 AM CST
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PrintThe last two years the football off-season was full of conference realignment talk and program investigations. Perhaps this year the talk will be about the future of the BCS and maybe, wait for it, a playoff. The Big Ten was the first to kick off the discussion. Jim Delany, Big Ten Commissioner, has a proposal that if anything, may get the idea of a playoff rolling.
The Big Ten's proposal is to place the top four teams in the BCS into a playoff bracket and have the two semifinal games played on the home turf of the higher seed. The championship game would then be available for bid, similar to the NFL's Superbowl. This idea could raise criticism from fans from the South because of the possibility of inclement weather in the Northern states. States where Big Ten teams are located.
Adam Rittenberg, of ESPN.com, points out that bowl games are essentially a road game for Big Ten teams.
With this new proposal Delany says he'll will fight to protect the Rose Bowl and it's Big Ten tie-in, just as they did with the current BCS system.
There's a new era coming, and in the discussion is not just a playoff but a requirement of seven wins to become bowl eligible. There's a possibility that new win requirements could eliminate a handful of bowl games. See, seven is the new six.
For the record, Iowa has never finished in the Top four of the BCS (they were #5 in 2002). The last Big Ten team to qualify in this new proposal was Ohio State in 2007.
Want a little more information about a couple of new Hawkeyes? The Quad-Cities Online has this story about Mitch Keppy and Reid Sealby. The future teammates are not friends yet. That's because Keppy and Sealby are heavy weight wrestlers and Sealby is ranked #1, Keppy #2.
It's still not clear if David Raih has been promoted from grad assistant to Iowa's coaching staff. FootballScoop.com reported yesterday that fellow GA Charlie Bullen has moved on to join the Dolphins. If you want to know more about Raih then this is a must read. I hope he gets the gig, his salesmanship and energy could work wonders on the recruiting trail. Ferentz may announce Raih as a new addition at his press conference Wednesday at 4 PM (CT).
Ken O'Keefe spent 13 years as Iowa's offensive coordinator. Now he is saying goodbye to Iowa City. As you can imagine, O'Keefe recalled memories and was thankful for his experiences at Iowa. He told Marc Morehouse,
"It's just a unique opportunity right now. I'm so grateful for the time Kirk Ferentz gave us here at Iowa. It's an unbelievable place."
Why the sudden departure, the big life change?
"It's a unique opportunity," O'Keefe said. "I've known Joe since he was 17-years-old. It's hard to walk away from this because of [Iowa head coach] Kirk [Ferentz] and the kids, obviously, and the community of Iowa City, which has been so good to us, as well. It is a little unique because of our relationship, and the timing just happens to be right."
After the jump, more links.
Other links:
- The latest On Iowa Podcast
- Iowa's Aaron White continues to impress
- Big Ten men's basketball TV schedule: Feb. 6-12
- Iowa Hawkeye Commit Adam Woodbury
- Doug Thomas, still hoopin
- Detroit Free Press talks Michigan recruiting and Kozan
- Jeremiha Hunter removed from Saints IR
- Brett Greenwood, inspiring emergency response initiatives
- Iowa's recruiting class, one of the five most underrated
- ESPN's too early 2012 football Top 25
- A couple days old but, the latest Fulmer Cup rankings
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Pfft. Delaneybot in a landslide
That contest is 49ers-Bengals, not Giants-Patriots
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Feb 7, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Bloodpunch is programmed not to harm the Delanybot 3000, so it's not even a fight.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yes, Bloodpunch's fourth Prime Directive.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 7, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Delany needs a (new) barber
those hair hubcaps on the side of his dome are killing the conference’s credibility.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Feb 7, 2012 9:16 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
And, take a clipper to those eyebrows while he’s at it.
by txhawkeye on Feb 7, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is the inevitable progression: Thufir Hawat
by HawkeyeRecon on Feb 7, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
But the heartplug won't be a serious threat
As Delany has no heart.
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
http://www.thebirdcult.net
by The Bird Cult on Feb 7, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
It's so liberating
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 7, 2012 9:52 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
It's like a malfunctioning lifevest.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Feb 7, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Jim has always been a big fan of the Princess Leia Space Bun hairdo.
Let’s just hope he doesn’t like gold bikinis, too.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
or a job in management where Dilbert works
Private Joker, he's silly and he's ignorant, but he's got guts and guts is enough. Now you ladies carry on!
by privatejoker on Feb 7, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Watch the Woodbury vid.
I feel bad for the other kid who keeps getting his shot blocked by Woodbury beginning at the 2:33 mark.
Poor little guy, he’s trying his damnest but, alas, it’s to no avail.
by Lukateake on Feb 7, 2012 9:17 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Woodbury attracts a bit of a crowd
Had some nice assists kicking it out to anyone else as he seemed to be tripled on every play. Liked his aggressiveness at the 3:30 mark on – looked like he was going to hip toss that kid on the rebound jump ball.
"40 MINUTES OF MEH!" - djwoody
by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 7, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
That is the first extended video I have seen of Woodbury
I was really impressed by his passing, the jump hook with either hand, and the way he runs the floor. Seems to have good athleticism and be an unselfish teammate.
I saw Iowa signee Kyle Meyer play a couple of weeks ago, and he, too, is a very good passer for a big man.
by H I McDonnough on Feb 7, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
My breakdown (with the important parts in bold)
The #1 thing that jumped off the screen for me: a five minute highlight tape with only one dunk. And that was a full speed running dunk. The kid has size, but he absolutely does not have ups. That is a concern—in high school he can put everything back as a lefty layup off the glass, but in the Big Ten he will get blocked by shorter but more athletic players. His game will have to incorporate pump fakes that would be completely superfluous at the high school level, and that may take time.
There were some positives though. One is that he is a lefty, which is an advantage at every level. He did not seem to have a full assortment of post moves with either hand, but leftys tend to do better developing both hands (he blocks shots with both hands, which should help him avoid fouls). And he has a lefty hook that looks beautiful. Most players defending it will not defend another player all season who shoots it, and it totally neutralizes bigger and more athletic defenders.
Partly because of that, I don’t think adding size is as much of an issue as people seem to think. We don’t need a Basabe-esque level of bulk on this kid (just like Basabe didn’t need it, and just like Reggie Evans did need it—and had it to the tune of $25m and counting), because that’s not his game. A high schooler who is backing down high schoolers and dunking on them has to hit the weight room to do the same in college because the defenders will hold their ground, but for Woodbury’s game he’s fine being long and skilled, especially if he runs the floor as well as he appeared to. Lower body strength will still be important for rebounding and defending, but we didn’t see much of that in the video—he was able to defend everyone else on the court just by using his size intelligently and blocking shots. Yes, he will add weight and should, but in the weight room he should focus on plyometrics and lower body strength to make sure he can rebound and defend inside. And dunk with two hands. If he’s not doing that on 6’0" 17 year olds, no amount of weight room work will make him do it on Jared Sullinger.
And mostly he should focus on post moves. He knows how to pass out of a double team, and as a 7’1" lefty that plus having a couple go-to post moves you can use well pretty much makes you Bill Walton right there. Adding running the floor and FTs to that, and the utter lack of a vertical won’t be an issue.
Conclusion/TL;DR: Woodbury can’t really jump and we don’t yet know how well he’ll be able to defend legitimate Big Ten post players, but his strengths (lefty hook, ability to pass out of the post) probably scale very well to higher levels of play. He should end up with a career somewhere between J.R. Koch and Bill Walton.
"I don't usually go to the top floor, but tonight I had a business meeting." -Devyn Marble
There you go, folks.
He should end up with a career somewhere between J.R. Koch and Bill Walton.
Notclevr said Woodbury is a sure-fire NBA draft pick.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 7, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Hard to draw those conclusions when most of the video is comprised of him crushing western Iowa high school kids
He had a video last summer that was much more impressive. I can’t remember if it was a camp or the AAU circuit, but it was impressive. Ran the floor well, used the rim well to shield defender, was quick getting his shot up (I kept thinking he’s a Mikan Drill machine), had a nice touch, and finished well with both hands around the rim.
Being left-handed is a big advantage, but he finishes well with both hands and defends with both hands. I think he’s going to be a great player. It might take some time – it usually does with big men (see: Reiner, Jared) – but he already has good tools and he’s a huge kid.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
I've read, or heard, or imagined that Woodbury is
really only 6’ 7" and a product of classic Iowa hyperbole and embellishment.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
It's more like 6-4
/Brunner’d
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
by Nickhawk08 on Feb 7, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Greg Brunner ruled
We need more balding guys whose entire offensive game is jumping face first into the defender and hoping for a foul.
Like the exact opposite of the Hack-A-Shaq.
"Gophers are filthy digging rats"
-one of HFMR's many amazing tags
"It's Northwestern," he explained. "A smart school."
-TMart on jNW reading signals
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 7, 2012 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
Here’s a link from the 2011 LeBron James Skills Academy for Woodbury looking more impressive against taller and presumably more talented competition.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 7, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
.
against taller and presumably more talented competition.
Yep, he’s a mid-six footer.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Watch Aaron White be 6" taller than this guy...
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
They're taller thant he guys he plays against in Iowa, not taller than him
I doubt he’s actually 7 foot, but he’s probably like 6’10" or so.
but but but but
His Iowa bio says this:
becomes Iowa’s first seven-footer since Seth Gorney (2005-08) and is the tallest Hawkeye since Antonio Ramos (1999), who stood 7-foot-2.
Ah, the immortal Antonio Ramos…
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
My dad fucking loved Antonio Ramos
He’s very much of the “you can’t teach height!” school, so every game it was “Who is that huge kid on the bench? Get him in there!”
Does he have to stand in a hole to cut hair,
or is the barber chair on a really tall hydraulic lift?
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Feb 7, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
he cuts hair sitting cross legged
like most people
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Commence humming Barber of Seville for seven hours.
Those that complain that Inception was confusing have never seen Videodrome.
Hah!
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 7, 2012 4:16 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Maybe Delaney
could go to him per your above suggestion
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
this whole waiting around for the DC is obviously driving all of you nuts
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
http://www.thebirdcult.net
by The Bird Cult on Feb 7, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
And OC!
"I don't usually go to the top floor, but tonight I had a business meeting." -Devyn Marble
Hey, we got what we wanted there
I certainly think more people wanted KOK gone than Norm – with Norm it was more concern that his health issues were impacting his coaching, not the quality of his coaching when he was healthy.
This board has been ready to guillotine KOK for, hell, since the first day he got here.
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
http://www.thebirdcult.net
by The Bird Cult on Feb 7, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Mikan Drill Machine
That’s an excellent way to describe it, in both videos. It’s nice, because it shows touch and he does get the ball up quick without bringing it back down…but it’d also be nice to see some dunks.
"I don't usually go to the top floor, but tonight I had a business meeting." -Devyn Marble
The fact that kid kept trying to post him up was very enjoyable
by H I McDonnough on Feb 7, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
And how pissed he got after getting blocked the second time
No shame son, just stop trying to go over a guy who’s got 8" on you.
Mitch Keppy is one magnanimous sumbitch.
Keppy, then-ranked No. 1 heavyweight wrestler in 1A Illinois, loses to then-No. 2 Sealby. So what does the vanquished Keppy then proceed to do?
He calls the Iowa coaches and says: you’ve got to recruit this Sealby guy who just beat me. His tenacity and desire would make a great Hawkeye.
// God, I love my (current and future) Hawks!
Doug Thomas is playing for the San Miguel BEERMEN?
And they just beat the Bangkok Cobras?
I love this story already.
Thomas, who has been with the team for two weeks, led the Beermen’s charge with 14 points and 11 rebounds and dazzled the good-sized audience with four slam dunks, including a thunderous left-hand jam in the third quarter.
Of course he did. MISS U, THUNDER DOUG!
We need a BHGP Philippines correspondent to check out one of those games…
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Sounds like there was a good crowd on Saturday.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Very good crowd
Minus the student section, though they were still the loudest.
They say you're a pitcher, you're sure not much of a dresser. We wear caps and sleeves on this level, son.
That's been the case for pretty much the entire Big Ten season
For the most part the arena is pretty full, but the back portion of the student section is really empty aside from the game they let students in for free.
I love Doug Thomas
I lived by Carver sophomore and junior year, so we frequently had parties pre- and post-basketball games. One year after a game, we went to one of the gas stations over on Mormon Trek to get some 40s for a game of Edward 40hands. Doug happened to be there with his boys, so naturally we gave him a shout out for a nice game. He strolls over, thanks us, then starts riffling through our stuff to give his stamp of approval on our 40 selections.
We ended up buying him a 40 of OE and some Swisher Sweets. Good guy, Thunder Doug.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
Wait, wait, wait
What is this new fangled Edward 40hands game?
\You know you’re getting old when you’ve never heard of a particular drinking game.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 7, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Wow! Sounds fun!
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 7, 2012 4:17 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Its beauty is in its simplicity
Besides drinking a whole lot of beer is inherently fun
Be warned!
Edward 40 hands is no joke. If you can’t drink 7 beers without breaking the seal the game may end in tragedy for you and hilarity for everyone else.
by HawkeyeInExile on Feb 8, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 7, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
are you really shitting on his good story
or am I missing your sarcasm?
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Feb 7, 2012 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
I hate to go all Spelling Police on you, Jon
But it’s “brah.” Seriously, get your shit strait.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
Ol' Jim - bo
I wonder if Jim is thinking how Sandusky would like to attack Bill O’Brien’s massive butt chin.
"The timing just happens to be right."
What does that mean? I want to infer something from this, but I’m not sure what.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 7, 2012 10:11 AM CST reply actions
It means he's leaving of his own volition.
He was a lightning rod of malcontent to be sure but this was not an offseason where he was being shown the door.
He's leaving because creative people, truly creative people need freedom and space to fulfill their creative urge
and I believe he’s a creative person, or was at one time.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
His gym membership is finally up.
But it was five bucks a month cheaper to go for the ten-year membership!
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 7, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't read too much into it
His kids are grown, Iowa’s next few seasons will be decent but nothing for the history books (no need to stick around), the program is in decent shape, he’s getting older and if he wants to be more than a FBS OC, he needs to make a move.
He surely knows more about KF’s plans than we do, but I don’t think that’s the major driver.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
It's not you, it's me
I love everything about this really. It’s been great. Remember back in 2002 when we used to go out to the res and drink wine coolers in the sun? You’d blow little kisses while I picked up big rocks to show how strong I was? Or that second honeymoon cruise in 2009? We came so close to winning the grand prize in that shuffleboard tourney….. At least we still got to eat at the captains table. It’s so sad that we slipped back into our old ways so soon and lost that magic.
There were bad times too, 2007 is mostly just a blur of Gin and anti-depressants. I don’t want to talk about any of that.
But we’ve turned into that old couple that doesn’t really talk anymore. You sit and read the paper while I play with my legos, oh how I love those legos. Did I show you how I, oh never mind. I know you don’t really care.
So I think it’s time we see other people. I see the relief in your eyes as you wish me luck. Those same eyes that will maybe be just a little misty as my U-Haul pulls away, those eyes that willl dry up as you search an internet dating site for your next go ’round about the same time I hit the on-ramp to I-80.
Let’s not say good bye, let’s just say we’ll always be friends.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
by Flakbait on Feb 7, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 15 recs
This is the best explanation possible. Bra-f'ing-vo
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Feb 7, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, pretty much
Also, I feel like him hitting the on-ramp would be slow developing and he’d probably want to change directions at some point…
You totally know his signal indicator is on to merge into traffic on I-80, but signalling right rather than left.
he heads west first
then turns end around the clover leaf and heads east. Tricky bastard that KOK.
"40 MINUTES OF MEH!" - djwoody
by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 7, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
I'd comment
but rec’ing is more appropriate
by Third Generation Hawk on Feb 7, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
About those changes
Seven wins? YES!
4 team playoff? YES! Just don’t anybody count on it moving to eight teams for at least 20 years or so.
B1G – PAC Rose Bowl? YES!
The Rose Bowl thing you may as well count on. It sounds like all three entities are very happy with the traditional arrangement. It would be cool if they allowed an outside pick if either league champion gets into the playoff though. I think that adds to the legend of the game to know that teams like Texas or ’Bama or whoever have that outside shot at getting in.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I think the 4-team playoff will have a short life
and go to more teams soon after implementation.
Why? Easy…the postseason money, the big money, has not really been going to the NCAA. This is the beginning of that happening. Also, the conference will make more money with those home playoff games. Yeah, once the old model is dead the new model will become MUCH more than 4 teams. The notion that every game doesn’t count, which is the anti playoff argument is silly because this is not a 35 games schedule we’re talking about. If this thing went to 16 teams, for example, only Wisconsin and Michigan would have played in that. In a 12 team conference that means you have to have a very good year to qualify.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Absolutely.
Which publication had a harsh takedown of the NCAA’s money-whoring ways a few months ago? Was in the NY Times? I can’t remember.
But if the article proved anything, it was that once the NCAA has tapped a money-vein, it will only suck harder and will never let go.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 7, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
There's been a couple
And I think there is a 30 for 30, or maybe it was a Frontline that talked about the NCAA and how much money they make.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Here it is: Thanks for nothing (I keed) but you were both wrong:
It’s from Iowa’s favorite mag: The Atlantic; http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/10/the-shame-of-college-sports/8643/?single_page=true
And the other item was from the City Pages, not the Strib. But The Atlantic story was the one I was referencing, as it came out before the City Pages’.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 7, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Here is a video of Doug Thomas dunking on confused and overmatched Swedish people
by NorseHawk on Feb 7, 2012 11:05 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Man, oh man. That guy can dunk.
I’d have to say that he is one of the very best dunkers I have ever seen at any level. The explosiveness and violence is astounding.
by H I McDonnough on Feb 7, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
What's Lob City in Swedish?
I miss Thunder Doug.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah
I do really love the idea of him traveling across Europe and violently dunking on tiny white people though.
I was sort of hoping that Archie could be like a very poor man’s Thunder Doug, but turns out being able to actually catch or dribble a basketball is important.
That video was even better when I imagined the Swedish Chef calling the action
I am drunk.., or I wouldn't be talking to you.
by codenameduchess on Feb 7, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, I got sucked down the Hawkeye Youtube Wormhole and ended up watching us beat Oklahoma to get to the Elite 8 in 1987.
Our band played The Victory Polka with about a second and a half left in the game and Oklahoma inbounding.
Gutsy call by the band there.
"Gophers are filthy digging rats"
-one of HFMR's many amazing tags
"It's Northwestern," he explained. "A smart school."
-TMart on jNW reading signals
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 7, 2012 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
must have been a lot of pre-heaven beers
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Feb 7, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
So what happens
When your team is the lower seed and loses in the semifinals in the opponents stadium?
Do you still get a bowl for your fans? That would suck being the third or fourth ranked team and not getting a bowl while a bunch of teams that finished 7-5 get them.
I would think you would have to do the semifinals before bowl season and then the NCG approximately when it’s currently scheduled…
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Feb 7, 2012 11:22 AM CST reply actions
If it was done the way Delany is proposing at least.
If the semifinals were also bid out, it wouldn’t be a problem.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Feb 7, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
I don't see any reason for the semi-final losers to get a bowl game after the semi-finals.
The teams would already have played an additional game.
Even making the third place game a neutral site bowl seems more pointless than the current bowl games.
by The Mexican't on Feb 7, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
So the losers of conference championship games shouldn't get a bowl either, by that logic.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Feb 7, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
I guess if you want to be pedantic.
There are already far too many bowls as it is, adding another one for teams that lost a semi-final seems like a massive waste.
If Iowa were to finish 4th in the polls and then lose to #1 ranked USC in a semi-final, I wouldn’t give a shit about them playing another game against the loser from the 2/3 game. At that point, what does it matter? Do NFL teams that lose in the Wild Card or Divisional rounds continue to play?
by The Mexican't on Feb 7, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's different in the NFL
Because teams that don’t make the playoffs don’t get bowls. Why Would Michigan State or Georgia fans be excited about playing each other in the Outback bowl if they had both just lost to more highly ranked teams in their respective CCGs? But plenty of people went to the game or watched it on TV.
Maybe you don’t enjoy attending or watching bowls, but other people do.
I think a nice middle ground would be to let the higher-seeded team choose which neutral site gets the bid. That way the fans of the other ream would chance to attend too.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Feb 7, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
I doubt they will play the semi finals in the stadium of the home team.
because of weather mainly but also because of money. What if Boise is a semifinal? They have a 35K seat stadium?
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Is the real money in ticket revenue or media deals?
What if it’s Autzen? Only 54k. The revamped TCU stadium is only 44k. If it’s about ticket revenue then you’re right it wouldn’t happen anywhere on campuses because the disparities between the capacities of the stadiums make it a financial gamble and would give even more incentive to humans to switch votes. Imagine if the argument wasn’t “we don’t want a rematch” but “our stadium is 2 or 3 ties the size of theirs”.
If the real money is in media rights, it could work. Only the Big XII plays their championship on a neutral site that is bigger than most of their conference stadiums.
At $120 a ticket you're talking
$1.2 million per 10,000 sold. So the difference between the Rose Bowl and Autzen would be almost $5 million dollars not including the concessions, local economy kick backs, etc.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Those same Michigan State or UGA fans may have been excited about the semi-final.
But I doubt they give two fucks if they’re the losing teams in the semi-final and are told that now they’re going to Charlotte to play in the BCS Consolation Game brought to you by Everybody Gets a Ribbon Tires. Who wants to spend a paycheck or more just for the opportunity to say, “Hooray, we finished third!”?
by The Mexican't on Feb 7, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone who attends a bowl that's not the NCG, obviously.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Feb 7, 2012 1:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not everyone.
You’re assuming that the losing team’s fans will attend the semi-final AND attend another game.
by The Mexican't on Feb 7, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder if people ever argued that going from 11 games to 12 would make people stop attending bowls.
…
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Feb 7, 2012 1:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I’m of the opinion that your line of thinking is exactly the reason that 6-6 teams are qualifying for bowls and that the NCAA should focus more on bowl contraction than adding even more pointless games to the schedule.
If you want even more bowl games, then great, but I don’t see the point.
by The Mexican't on Feb 7, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
The reason 6-6 teams are qualifying for bowls is because of the cash.
All I’m saying is that giving home field advantage to the higher seeded team is a bad idea.
And who wouldn’t want to see a 3 vs 4 game as a football fan anyway? Watching the 49ers play the Ravens would have been pretty neat, especially compared to the pro bowl.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Feb 7, 2012 4:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
imagine a world where SMU players don't get rings like this
seriously?
by PSD on Feb 7, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
Well, they did beat a rudderless Pitt team
in their 3rd straight bowl!
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 7, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
Who feels like Cancun in November?
The 2012 Iowa basketball team, that’s who. According to this site, anyway.
The “Riviera Division” includes Iowa, DePaul, Western Kentucky, and Wichita State, while the “Mayan Division” includes Howard, Western Carolina, Austin Peay State, and the dreaded TBD (probably another BCS school to balance things out). Judging by the format from this year’s event, Iowa would play two teams from the Mayan Division at CHA and then two games against teams from the Riviera Division in Cancun.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Fun fact:
If Iowa plays Western Carolina, WCU will have played every D-I team in Iowa over the course of a year. Iowa was the only team they didn’t play on a swing through the state earlier this year (presumably because they ought to have been, in theory, better than campbell).
That David Raih story..
Only demonstrates once again..how big of an asshole Rick Neuheisel is…
by FlyingDutchman1 on Feb 7, 2012 12:46 PM CST reply actions
The only way
the Big Ten should agree to a playoff system is either if the higher seed gets home games or neutral site games would be allowed if neutral sites were added throughout the country not just in the warm weather bowl areas.
The warm weather bowl game areas give too much advantage to the SEC, Texas, and California teams and a higher seeded team deserves to play closer to home.
on the Iowa On Pod, MHouse talked about this
in regards to football playoffs:
BCS spends record money in D.C. to keep making money in college football
seriously?
"The Big Ten is open and curious."
I am drunk.., or I wouldn't be talking to you.
by codenameduchess on Feb 7, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Adam Gettis being invited
is proof that the NFL has very high regard for Iowa offensive linemen.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Notable absences: Binns, Bernstine
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 7, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Err, omissions.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 7, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
A little surprised Binns didn't get an invite.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
This really bothers me for some reason. He will be one helluva undrafted free agent get for somebody.
Go go gadget arms.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 7, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Wasn't he second on the team in pass breakups?
I mean that is a seriously weird stat if I’m remembering correctly
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by ClaybornSmash on Feb 7, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah.
I’m trying to remember if King or Klug got invited to the Combine.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I'm not surprised, but it is too bad
I thought he was our best defensive lineman and one of our best defensive players for most of the year.
Not really notable: Herman
Though I would’ve banked on him getting an invite around this time last year as an athletic, senior-to-be TE.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 7, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
If Reisner hadn't already snapped the "every starting Iowa TE gets drafted" streak last year, Herman would've done it this year.
His senior year was definitely disappointing.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yup.
I remember reading the ATP for TEs and thinking to myself, “Man, Herman and C.J. are going to terrorize B1G secondaries this year!” Didn’t quite happen that way.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 7, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
This year ATP will say that CJ and Ray will terrorize B1G defenses.
Hopefully we’re more accurate this time.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Hopefully JVB is more accurate this time
ZING
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 7, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
TOO SOON
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
DON'T MAKE ME A STEAK AND TELL ME NOT TO EAT IT.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 7, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Prater pushing up 325
prepping for the combine
seriously?
by PSD on Feb 7, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
What's the photo taped to the rack?
It looks like Chevy Chase…but maybe that’s only b/c I watched Fletch yesterday.
by Ill Jukes on Feb 7, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It's Jim Belushi,
obviously.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Feb 7, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
The real ? is
Who are the 2 guys getting fresh in the background?
You'll figure out what to do, for god's sake your The Boat! - JD Scrubs
by smokinthereiff on Feb 7, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know, but one of them is crazy short.
And he appears to be levitating.
by HawkeyeInExile on Feb 8, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Sash is looking more and more like a gang member
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Get this man some khakis and a polo shirt
So he can look like he runs a hardware store.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 7, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
If I played safety in the NFL I would want to do everything I could to make people
a) fear me
b) not understand me
c) avoid me
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Notice the complete lack of smile
More like “no big deal” and “you think you can take these out of my hands, don’t you fucker?”
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
http://www.thebirdcult.net
by The Bird Cult on Feb 7, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Hooded sweatshirt = gang member
but if you cut off the sleeves it = Super Bowl losing head coach
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 7, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Why is Rick Santorum skulking behind him - and without a sweater vest!?
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 7, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Eeeeewwww.
Santorum
/cleans mind with bleach
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 7, 2012 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
LOHL elvenwarriors
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by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 7, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
I'm shocked, simply SHOCKED
that the fine gentlemen of Eleven Warriors find absolutely nothing wrong with Meyer’s tactics.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Meh.
Recruiting is a nasty business, always has been and always will be. Following recruiting is basically like taking a tour through the hot dog factory.
As Iowa fans we laugh about the story about Evashevski locking Alex Karras up in a cabin somewhere to keep other schools from recruiting him, right? We’re happy that Iowa kept pursuing Barkley Hill and got him to flip from ISU a few weeks before signing day, yeah? I can’t really fault Meyer for pursuing high-quality guys in his backyard (especially if Bollman’s recruiting was half as slapdash as 11W is suggesting) or for going after guys who are “committed” to other schools. If B1G coaches really want to nip that practice in the bud, they should stop moaning about gentleman’s agreements or unspoken practices and pressure Delany to create an early signing period.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Feb 7, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So this
Hot dogs are cleaner BTW
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
http://www.thebirdcult.net
by The Bird Cult on Feb 7, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, I really don't care about the Bielema/Meyer thing
and I don’t think Meyer really did anything wrong. I’m just enjoying the rush by OSU fans to say that there is nothing, and could never, ever, ever, EVER , be anything wrong with what he did. Also, the implicit criticism of Tressel (who they defended just as vehemently until the second he stepped away), is funny.
I guess what I’m trying to say is, fuck Ohio State and their fans’ argument of convenience.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Well, the criticism seems mainly focused on Bollman -- who they've hated for a long time anyway.
He seems to have basically had all of the worst characteristics of KOK (predictable, boring, etc.) and none of the upsides (good recruiting, good position coach, etc.).
But fuck Ohio State is always the right answer.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
You are batting .1000 today sir
But fuck Ohio State is always the right answer.
Oh yes.
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
http://www.thebirdcult.net
by The Bird Cult on Feb 7, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
1 out of 10, Ross.
PICK IT UP
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by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 7, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That sounds about right for my batting average.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
They still defend Tressell
They blame Tressell’s downfall on ESPN.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Yes, but now they're willing to admit
that Tressel did something wrong. Even if it was a “petty” and “harmless” violation
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
And the idea of a 'gentleman's agreement' in the B1G is ridiculous
especially coming from Wisconsin and Michigan State, who are known to have gone after Iowa recruits and/or negatively recruit against Iowa. It’s laughable.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 7, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Well yeah.
The idea of Bielema and Dantonio trying to claim the moral high ground here (or, um, anywhere) is laughable.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Iowa hoops and the Cancun challenge
Riviera Division
DePaul
Iowa
Western Kentucky
Wichita State
Mayan Division
Austin Peay State
TBD
Howard
Western Carolina
seriously?
by PSD on Feb 7, 2012 1:51 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
/sobs
No one reads my comments…
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
lol, sorry Ross
it’s right up there too LOL
seriously?
by PSD on Feb 7, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
No worries.
You listed the divisions better than I did. Iowa should have a good shot to win that tourney.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Maybe they thought it was a question
what with all the random, unnecessary question marks you’ve been throwing around lately
http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2012/2/7/2781870/the-short-list-the-position-coaches#91204029
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
One of these is not like the other
by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 7, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
The divisions, you mean?
They seem to deliberately set them up that way, for whatever reason. This year the Riviera Division had Illinois, Rutgers, Richmond, and Illinois State, while the Mayan Division had Hampton, Lipscomb, Sacred Heart, and SIU-Edwardsville.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
No, I was thinking just the teams involved
Iowa appears—to me anyway—to stand out amongst the others.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 7, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Wichita State is pretty good -- they've certainly had more success lately than Iowa.
I think Western Kentucky made the Big Dance a few years ago, too. (Didn’t they beat Drake during Drake’s magical year?) But, yeah, it is kind of a weird grouping.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I like it!
Not sure who Wichita State is losing after this season, but those all look like about the right level of non-conference opponent. It should help with recruiting as well—I’m sure rival coaches have noticed that we didn’t play a game outside of Iowa until December, or whenever it was this year.
It’ll also be nice to have guaranteed TV exposure, although I’m not sure who carries it.
Hopefully it implies Fran thinks we’ll be dancing and wants to get the guys—including the FR—some experience playing a neutral site circus game.
"I don't usually go to the top floor, but tonight I had a business meeting." -Devyn Marble
The last few games in the 2011 tourney were on CBS College Sports.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Hmm
I think they’re gonna need a bigger boat.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That thing has got to be washed up from R'lyeh, doesn't it?
END TIMES.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R’lyeh
"I don't usually go to the top floor, but tonight I had a business meeting." -Devyn Marble
There goes the neighborhood.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Who wants sushi?!
I am drunk.., or I wouldn't be talking to you.
by codenameduchess on Feb 7, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Don't sharks pee through their skin?
No thanks!
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by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 7, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
UGH
@slmandel: If a 4-team playoff had existed since ’98, using BCS standings, the Big Ten would have hosted 3 of 28 semifinal matchups.
seriously?
I want to see a scenario without non-AQ teams
Because that is almost certainly how I envision this actually playing out if it happens.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Feb 7, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
Iowa Hawkeyes page on Facebook is reporting that Phil Parker is the new DC
of course who knows if FB is right…
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
http://www.thebirdcult.net
That's the real deal.
The Twitter account is saying the same thing.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 7, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmm, connected poster over on Hawkeye Report
is saying the new DC is Phil Parker. He confirmed the KOK to MIA news before the university did, as well as a bunch of other stuff. Tom Kakert is saying he is hearing the same thing too.
I get that Ferentz was taking his time to go over all the candidates and think of different scenarios playing out, but it’s certainly infuriating that it took this long for an internal hire.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 7, 2012 5:13 PM CST reply actions
Its on the official Iowa football site
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020712aad.html
Bad move. Bad move. Sigh…
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
http://www.thebirdcult.net
by The Bird Cult on Feb 7, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
Fucking ridiculous
but at this point, I really don’t care. It went on so long that it is actually beyond parody.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
So Reese Morgan is moving over to coach D-Line
Wilson is secondary coach. Maybe Woods is Linebackers (position he played)?? And who is new O-line coach? B. Ferentz? Interesting. Very interesting
by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 7, 2012 5:17 PM CST reply actions
Well, it certainly gives a boost to Campbell taking over for OC
But it will probably not be announced before the Spring Game…
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
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by The Bird Cult on Feb 7, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
I don't get these moves, at all
Why move Morgan and Wilson? What is the rationale behind this? Seriously. And what, does Parker not have a positional responsibility? Wasn’t that exactly the problem (DC not having a positional repsonsibility) that was so problematic for us the past few years because guys were being spread too thin. Only makes sense if Darrell Wilson will also handle Special Teams as his actual primary responsibility while being the defensive backs coach, which is actually handled by Parker. Even then, it’s too many moving parts.
And why is Reese Morgan suddenly moving to defense after spending his entire time on offense up to now?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
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