It's Not Plagiarism If You Link To It: They Don’t Understand — It’s Iowa
by PSD on Feb 22, 2012 8:00 AM CST
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PrintThe Todd Lickliter era is something Iowa Hawkeye men's basketball fans would rather soon forget. Tom Archdeacon, of the Dayton Daily News, writes that Lickliter was a big part of a RedHawk "one shining moment" that happened during a 68-61 loss versus Tennessee State. Lickliter is an assistant on Charlie Coles staff. They have a record of 8-17 on the season and are 311th in the nation in scoring with 61 points per game.
Archdeacon describes the "one shining moment" as Lickliter coaching sophomore guard Quinten Rollins on what to do with the ball when there is only 3.2 seconds left on the clock. Per Rollins, Lickliter advised,
OK, you've got two dribbles and then a pass or a shot.
It was described as a magical play. Rollins - obviously drawing upon his new found wisdom in the ways of basketball and clock management - decided to pass the ball to Will Sullivan who then would miss the three-point attempt to end the half. But wait! Sullivan was fouled and would make two of three free throws giving the RedHawks a 35-26 halftime lead. Rollins said of Lickliter,
"That play worked perfectly, just the way Coach Lickliter said it would," Rollins said. "He really knows what he's doing. He's a good coach."
Pure genius.
Oh, and the second half? Miami was outscored 42-26 and lost the game by seven.
Tom Archdeacon goes on to list the accomplishments of Iowa's former, and now Miami's assistant coach. Lickliter said of his time at Iowa,
"I've said almost nothing on the Iowa situation because I don't want it to sound like excuses"
About Butler, Lickliter added,
"To have it not work out at Iowa - especially after I left a great situation, a place I loved - I'd be less than honest to say I didn't have regrets"
His boss, previously mentioned Charlie Coles, had a little more to add. Coles said,
"To Todd's credit, Iowa pulls the plug on everybody they get. They don't understand - it's Iowa."
Coles added,
"Their facilities aren't that great. It's not the best of programs. Why they wouldn't keep a guy like him, I don't get it. They were going to be pretty good with the players he was bringing in. He's just a wonderful, wonderful teacher. There's something special about him. It's too bad Iowa couldn't see it."
Lickliter credits his pal Paul Patterson for keeping his fire to coach basketball burning. Lickliter and Coles have a friendship that goes back 20 years. When Coles needed a coach he gave his friend a call. Coles is 70 and may retire soon. "I'm ready to be a head coach again" says Lickliter, perhaps it will be at Miami.
Men's Hoops. Fran McCaffery held his weekly press conference yesterday. Looking back, McCaffery says he's surprised Matt Gatens didn't earn at least a co-mention for Big Ten Player of the Week. Fran also believes it's the team's youth that is responsible for inconsistent play. Iowa has beaten three Top 25 teams this season, but lost some head scratchers too.
Looking forward, McCaffery isn't sure if Cartwright will be able to play Thursday versus Wisconsin. Fran hopes that Basabe can play with the same energy level as Saturday. He also talked about Melsahn and Aaron White adding muscle but maintaining a weight where they can still run.
Last week there was talk about an in-state basketball tournament of sorts coming to Des Moines next year. Gary Barta said,
"It's no secret that the four of us are talking about coming up with a new format for playing each other, and that's still the case,"
The decision will come after the basketball season. Drake and Iowa State have one more year left on their contract. A double-header of Iowa vs. UNI and Iowa State vs. Drake could happen next year. A four team tournament could still a possibility down the road.
Women's Hoops. Another week, another Big Ten Freshman of the Week honor for Samantha Logic (okay, so that's two-in-a-row). This week she added an 18 rebound game to her portfolio. The Hawkeye women will also play Thursday night against Northwestern.
Football recruiting. Iowa offered Delano Hill of Detroit, Michigan. Hill plays high school ball at Cass Tech in Detroit, same school as 2012 commits Ruben Lile and Laron Taylor. Hill is a 6'1" 185 pound safety prospect (YouTube).
Cass Tech is full of division one talent. Two other 2013 prospects had offers or interest from Iowa but committed to Michigan following junior day in Ann Arbor. David Dawson and Jourdan Lewis were included in the eight four-star recruits that committed to Michigan this week. Chris Fox, Taco Charlton, Jake Butt, Logan Tuley-Tillman and Kyle Bosch all held offers from Iowa.
St. Louis athlete Derrick Mitchell Jr. received an offer from Iowa yesterday. Mitchell is a 6'0" 185 prospect that played quarterback, safety, linebacker and was his teams punter at Vashon High (YouTube).
Iowa also extended scholarship offers to a pair of Forestville, Maryland defensive linemen. Darius Commissiong is a 6'2" 285 pound defensive tackle that already holds offers from Maryland, Boston College, NC State, Virginia and others (YouTube). Kevin Robbins is a 6'4" 225 pound defensive end with offers from Michigan State, Rutgers, Syracuse and East Carolina (YouTube).
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- Hello, my name is . . . Daumantas Venckus-Cucchiara
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- Ex-Hawkeye Jarryd Cole making a splash in Iceland
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- Hello, my name is . . . Laron Taylor
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- Iowa's Matt Gatens earns Fran McCaffery's praise
- Iowa's Melsahn Basabe makes a defensive difference against Indiana
- Shining Logic
- Iowa eyeing Davis, Moore for OC job?
- Film Session: Gatens from beyond the arc
- Q&A: Iowa swimming coach Marc Long discusses Big Ten Championships
- Basabe brings 'Slime Movement' to Iowa City
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“Coach was like, ‘So Dev, how much sleep did you get last night?’ " Basabe said.
“And Dev was like, ‘Huh?’ Coach was like, ‘I saw you were asking all your slimes to hit you up, slimes holla at me.’ "
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
This is a quote from the Basabe "slime" article.
RDM was up late tweeting and Fran called him out at practice the next day.
by The Mexican't on Feb 22, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
also wtf with the double post?
sorry, didn’t think i double clicked.
sorry, didn’t click i doublethinked.
Son of a bitch, I'm sick of these dolphins.
@keepitupguys
You probably didn't
refresh you page and look again. Sometimes the site gets a little wacky.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Remember the time you didn't know what a slime was?
Yeah. Good times.
"I mean, are they going to poop their pants or are they going to get tough?" ~Tom Brands
I definitely thought about that when I put that comment up today.
As always, thanks for informing me.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 22, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'm here for ya' man.
That’s what Twitter-stalking is for. I’ll be creepy so you don’t have to be.
"I mean, are they going to poop their pants or are they going to get tough?" ~Tom Brands
With Lickliter
I really wonder what the delusion is. “It was going to work, just not in three years.” What was going to work? Not recruiting and playing a style of basketball that no one wanted to watch?
And Iowa cutting everyone loose? Sure, we’re all annoyed that they fired Tom Davis. But he’d been there for over a decade. With Alford, well, we all know the circumstances there. And he’d still been there for, what, 7 years?
I think Lickliter's system may have eventually produced some okay-to-good results.
But, it would have taken more breaks than Iowa has been getting.
I’m not a Fran-atic yet, but he’ll probably have Iowa bouncing back (or maybe already does) in a quicker and more exciting fashion than Lick.
I sort of wish that Lick does get the Miami OH job, and that he has success. That way, it doesn’t look like all of his success was just because he was at Butler for a few years.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 22, 2012 8:23 AM CST up reply actions
I'd say Fran has us bouncing back
The season is a mixed bag, but we’ve beaten some really good teams. There was even an outside dreamers chance at the NCAA’s. If they can get focused and a consistent effort next year, some very good things can happen.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Just about every announcers has said that Iowa is some seniority away from the tournament
and I agree. Guys are evolving and emerging. Matt Gatens dad said his son grew more in one year with Fran than at any other time in his career. Fran realizes the goal here is to not just get an invite to the tourney. He’s trying to build something greater. At Siena his teams were known for their unique depth, guys who would come in here and there and decide games and in other games play only a few minutes. That is a unique coach who can get guys to buy into that. Of course he has his core but in essence, every player thinks they have a fair shot to play minutes if they work hard.
Lickliter was the complete opposite, after 10 games he had decided who was playing and practice was for them alone, and the rest of the team bailed the rest of the year. It was depressing playing for that guy. That’s why guys split in droves.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I think the NCAA is just his first milestone
not just for a “look what we did” reason, more for all the intangibles that come with it. I get the impression that he believes he can and will take Iowa all the way. His system is just the truck that is going to get us there.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Lickliter was the complete opposite, after 10 games he had decided who was playing and practice was for them alone, and the rest of the team bailed the rest of the year. It was depressing playing for that guy. That’s why guys split in droves.
I don’t really disagree… but it’s interesting that more often than not the guys leaving were the guys who WERE getting a lot of run under Lickliter. We lost our returning leading scorer, what, four straight offseasons? I would have expected the guys who were getting locked out by Lick to bail (who could have blamed them?) but for the guys he was invested in bailing was a far more troubling sign.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
No, but they were part of the overall trend.
You’d think you might want to work even harder to keep your remaining good players in the fold after the Bad Luck Fairy strikes you like it did with Smith and Kelly.
And while this is pure speculation, I can’t imagine Smith NOT transferring from Iowa even without his father’s medical issues. I cannot imagine him fitting into Lickliter’s system well.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I can't imagine him not holding up that gas station
Too soon?
by mikjones24 on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We would have had to put the Kum & Go's of Iowa City-Coralville on high alert.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I half disagree...
We couldn’t predict what might have happened but things might have gone differently had the kids that left been enjoying themselves at Iowa. You’d like to think a good coach-quality is to foster enthusiasm in what’s happening around the program. Lick assumed that coaching equals Xs and Os.
what really pisses me off about that article - aren't we still paying TL?
He should STFU and count his pennies. He can finish his career at a turd school like Miami because he made enough here that unless he pissed it all away, he’s set for life. Fuck him.
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by The Bird Cult on Feb 22, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
We definitely did last year
And paid him more than Fran. If last year wasn’t the final year of the buyout I think this year is.
Its not what he said but what his good buddy said
:)
Point well taken. Still, I would like to see clauses written into our contracts that prohibit fired coaches from saying a damn word about why they were fired while still being paid.
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
http://www.thebirdcult.net
by The Bird Cult on Feb 22, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Let them talk
If they feel they got screwed, they have the right to say it. Knowing you’ve got a muzzle on somebody doesn’t encourage good and proper behavior on the part of the guy holding the leash. This is a State Institution and the tax payers have a right to know what’s going on.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
That is a good point I did not think of
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
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by The Bird Cult on Feb 22, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Yes!
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 22, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
8-17 on the season and are 311th in the nation in scoring
That’s the best part of the whole writeup
Anyway, fuck that guy. As I posted yesterday, in the last 30 years or so, we’ve had 3 guys quit (Olsen, Raveling [redacted]), one fired (Lick) and Dr. Tom who I really don’t know how to classify because he was here so long.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I don't think Alford quit
He was “hired away” which I’ve always thought meant “find a new job in two weeks before we fire you”. Just like Tubby was “hired away” by Minnesota. Dr. Tom was fired, doesn’t matter how long he was here, he was canned by Bowlsby.
The record shows that Alford quit
Would he have been fired? Maybe, maybe not. We’ll never know.
As for Dr. Tom, I certainly see the “he was fired” argument. But he also had a contract with the University and the University honored that contract to the end. There were never any promises beyond that and he knew well in advance that the contract would not be renewed. That’s different than getting fired. That he was a great guy and a good coach has nothing to do with it. Also, the Miami guy said “Iowa pulls the plug on everybody”, to me that implies that they don’t give them a chance to prove themselves. You can argue that that was the case with Lick, but not with Davis.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
The record is a way to save face. He was shown the door
I read “pulls the plug” as being fired, not being fired before you have a chance to prove yourself. If you take “pulls the plug” as fired without sufficient time to prove yourself it’s demonstrably false.
Alford would have been fired. Barta had already told him publicly that the program is expected to be at the point where it doesn’t have rebuilding years. We were firmly in the weeks immediately following rebuilding year period where coaches are fired.
As long as we’re splitting hairs can we play the “fired or resigned” game?:
Tubby Smith
Tommy Tuberville
Bobby Bowden
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one
I’ve said before that I didn’t have a problem with Davis being replaced then and I don’t have a problem with it now. Obviously, Alford wasn’t the right guy, but we make decisions based on the information we have at the time. Sometimes we can look back and say “We did not do our due diligence and that led to a poor decision”. I don’t think this was one of those times.
I don’t follow college sports enough to comment on every hiring and firing, but I will say that I would have shown Bowden the door about five years earlier. He’d had a great run but it was long gone, time to move on. Life ain’t fair and there will be blood.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I don't think Alford was in any danger of getting fired after the 06-07 season.
BUT Barta made it pretty clear that he needed better results in 07-08 or he would probably be shown his walking papers… and that was going to be damn hard to do with no Haluska (and possibly no Smith… I think he would have left that offseason regardless because of his father’s health issues, but I don’t recall if that was apparent yet when Barta issued his quasi-ultimatum). From Alford’s POV, if he was in danger of getting the heave-ho in a year, he might as well start looking while he was in a stronger position than he would be a year later.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
We don't get it?
“To Todd’s credit, Iowa pulls the plug on everybody they get. They don’t understand – it’s Iowa.”
In his last year they went 10-22 and lost to UT-SA and Duquesne @ home…yeah your right we don’t get shit.
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Feb 22, 2012 9:01 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
In fairness to Alford
UT-SA are the Roadrunners, which means they must be fast. And Duquesne are the Dukes which is essentially Duke as far as I’m concerned. Also, Iowa doesn’t take basketball seriously…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 22, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We understand losing players and season ticketholders in droves.
And we understand that’s A Problem.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I guess he thinks we should be like Miami
Let everyone stay in the job for as long as they want, into their 70’s or more, going 8-17 and playing slow, boring basketball. That sounds awesome!
by Brock Sampson on Feb 22, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
exactly
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Feb 22, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
I'll be fair to Lick
He didn’t lay into Iowa. He maintained his quiet confidence like substance. He’s also talking about a system that went to two championship games under the coach that was probably responsible for Lick’s Sweet 16 run. And in a conference where the swing offense has taken WI to something like 12 straight NCAA berths, I think it would have eventually worked. Unfortunately for him, the system wasn’t the problem it was his retention, coaching, and recruiting that were the problem.
Exactly, Lick's system, which is not
his system but merely one he adopted, was not the problem. He couldn’t build a program. He could only inherit one. There are lots of guys who have inherited great programs, whose infrastructure was complete and almost impossible to destroy. The coaching skills required to build a program as opposed to merely inheriting and caring for one are completely different.
Fran is a program builder, and to do that you need to be a kind of Pied Piper type. Great communication skills, ubber confidence, ability to sell, ability to teach in shirt order. You have little time to put your imprint on things.
Lickliter was like watching paint dry. He thought he would just plug away and at some point it would all come together. I kind of view the guy as part naive and part hack. He sincerely thought there was no time-clock on getting it started. I mean, come one dude.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
He may have been right at a school where basketball is expected to lose money
but when he was looking at all those empty seats, and everybody but the mayor calling for his head, how could he not have seen it coming….. amazing.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
ability to sell
Exactly. I’m not sure how effective using business as a comparison to college athletics is with every situation, but it works well here. Plenty of client driven sales jobs could inherit a big book of business and manage it well, but many of those guys could not start from scratch and create a big book of clients on their own. It takes a very different approach and personality.
Son of a bitch, I'm sick of these dolphins.
@keepitupguys
Bravo to Coach Coles
That sir is some magnificent trolling.
by Hawkeyes on Feb 22, 2012 9:04 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
So you're saying Taco Charlton is NOT coming to Iowa?
Dammit. Just dammit.
I am drunk.., or I wouldn't be talking to you.
by codenameduchess on Feb 22, 2012 9:23 AM CST reply actions
Welcome to the Sir Mix A Lot portion of the thread...
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 22, 2012 10:56 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
To be honest (and repeat a joke I said last week)
Rumpsteak tacos on blue maize tortillas does sound delicious.
You mentioned blue maize last week?!
No wonder Taco and Butt committed to Michigan. IT’S ALL YOUR FAULT.
by The Mexican't on Feb 22, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Great. Now its tacos for me at lunch.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 22, 2012 11:14 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Perfect picture for Lick
“Wait, you’re saying that people actually expect me to make progress in 3 years? Really?”
"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney
Call me when Lickliter's first recruit actually graduates from Iowa
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 22, 2012 9:43 AM CST reply actions
Gatens graduates in May, right?
Then May will graduate next year.
Yes, both were cases where they wanted to be at Iowa, but at least he didn’t botch that.
Yes, my guess (as is many others') is that's why they're saving the last scholarship for this year.
Unless they get a great pick up, it will allow them to bring in two guys for next year instead of just one.
meh
I don't feel like Gatens counts
He committed to *Redacted long before his senior season.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 22, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Did Lickliter recruit Gatens?
Why to feel like Matt was one of those Iowa kids like Horner or Oliver who knew where they were going to go since they were in gradeschool?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 22, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Gatens was part of Lick's second class (and first "real" class since he inherited the 07 group from Alford).
So, yeah, he’s a Lickliter recruit.
On the other hand, as you say, Gatens is one of those kids you would have had to actively antagonize to NOT get him to come to Iowa. I’m sure it was the easiest sell-job ever to get him here.
“Want to come play ball at Iowa, Matt?”
“Yep, where do I sign?”
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Had Gatens already verbaled to Alford, though?
I thought he did, but I could be very wrong.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 22, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, he might have.
It’s fuzzy because it was apparent as a freshman that Gatens would be a D-I talent and it was equally apparent that he was going to Iowa, no ifs, ands, or buts.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I'll say Gatens is a Lickliter recruit
If he verbaled to Alford it was like the Horner verbal to Iowa. Lick managed to not alienate him during his senior year. Sometimes you just have to not scare off the in-state recruits (i.e. Horner, Brunner, Haluska after Eustache firing).
How was there a danger of Horner and Brunner being scared off?
When they were being recruited, Iowa hoops was doing okay.
I also think the odds of Gatens being scared off were miniscule. Lickliter would have had to insult his dad, kick his dog, and slap his mother. Gatens grew up dreaming of playing for Iowa since he was probably 4-5 years old.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
There wasn't
I’m just saying that they would have come here regardless. I think both would have come if it was year one or two of the Lick era. So to say that Gatens isn’t a Lick recruit would be akin to saying they aren’t Alford recruits since they were devoted to the school regardless of who was the coach. Didn’t Horner commit to Dr. Tom when he was like 12?
Ah, I see.
And you’re right, Gatens wasn’t the only in-state kid who was an easy recruit to Iowa.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
And yet Alford didn't get Haluska out of HS
and RROOOOYYYY!!!!! did do, and still does, his share of getting top talent out of the state.
And?
I don’t think I ever denied that, but there are clearly cases like Gatens (or Horner or Oliver) where the kid was going to Iowa no matter what.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
No, it wasn't you.
I can’t even remember who I was replying to that started this exchange. Just the general claim that Gatens is an Alford recruit and not a Lick one. And then I just kept getting farther and farther from the original point and now we’re agreeing with each other and somehow seeming to disagree and I’m confused.
I know a bit about their situations
Brunner l think loved the idea of playing big time D1 hoops. UNI was terrible at the time. Can’t remember if ISU was in the picture.
Horner wanted to be a Hawk — however — he was a legit D1 football talent. He could have played safety and been a return guy. Had the gone that route he probably would have gone to Iowa. He was drawing pro baseball scouts, too.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 22, 2012 11:04 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Interesting.
I’d never heard that Horner was a D1 football talent.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
His high school FB coach thought he was, and that guy played o-line at UNI
Baseball was waaaaay more longshot.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 22, 2012 11:47 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I'm from Mason City
played high school ball with Oliver. My old man coached football here for 20 years and said Jeff was the best safety he’d seen come through. That said, Brady Foster had to make a deal with him his senior year that if Jeff came out for football Brady would play basketball. A deal he backed out on after FB season LOL.
by DananHughesUrDaddy on Feb 22, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
You made a comment no too long ago about Lick having to run over Gatens' dog while lighting his mom on fire to keep him from coming to Iowa
and I was inspired to use paint.net, but then I realized that I’d been busy, and the post was four days old, and figured no one would see it, so I didn’t post it.
But now you force my hand. I present an artist’s rendition of your scenario.
And I posted this in Hamsterdam, but whatever.
“You wouldn’t understand. Forget it. I’m outta here.”
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 22, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Let us not forget
Gatens and John Lickliter won a state title together at CHS during their senior year.
by Luke Recker No-Look Pass on Feb 22, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
Cole graduated last year.
He was part of the 07 class, which was signed after Lick got here. But they were mostly recruited by Alford.
Brommer and Gatens should graduate this year and they were both part of Lick’s 08 class, which was his first full class. (That class also included Bawinkel, who graduated from here as far as I know. Of course, he only had to spend two years here as a transfer.)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Bingo.
Devan Bawinkel is the first Lickliter graduate. On my own personal sliding scale, I’m not counting Cole or Gatens, so Brommer will be the second. Does Archie count too?
That’s a very impressive list.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 22, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Archie was part of the 09 class.
He was a transfer (JUCO?), so I guess he’d count in the Bawinkel group.
Based on your criteria, I think Brommer would be the first high schooler to sign with Lick and then graduate after four years at Iowa.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Incidentally, assuming he returns next year and graduates, Eric May will be the only other member of that group.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Are we sure that AIRBHG and Lickliter aren't related?
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 22, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Well, they've never been seen in the same place at the same time...
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Eric Simmons has awesome gamefilm
DRUNJIFORNICATION
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Feb 22, 2012 9:55 AM CST reply actions
Free pizza and Matt Gatens bobbleheads on Thrusday?
If that place isn’t packed and fucking rocking against Wisco I don’t know what to say about the current Iowa student. When we paid for season tickets when I was a freshman we got to watch basketball in return…AND WE WERE GRATEFUL!
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
Aren't a few hundred students also getting free soft serve?
There should be a riot outside of CHA on Thursday afternoon.
by The Mexican't on Feb 22, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Free soft serve?
Goddamn, where were these promotions when I was there?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I also fail to understand why students are paying so much for tickets
When plenty of other schools let them in for free. If the demand is there, go ahead. When the demand isn’t there, don’t just sit there with your hand out and say “They’ll come. They’ll HAVE TO.”
It's pretty clear
that the students have become an annoying afterthought to the Barta administration. I know this is a business and all but you don’t have to squeeze every damn dime you can out of everybody all the time.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
The other side to that
is “activity/athletics” fees. So, if every student wants to get a $100 dollar charge tacked on to the tuition bill, that’s okay. I think it is fairer to have the students that want to go, pay a small admission.
When the team is really bad, it even becomes difficult to make money on other groups (older fans, etc). I guess they could really raise football prices, but I must admit, I appreciate that they don’t do that to the extreme.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 22, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
If you give it away for free now
How many do you retain when you think the product is worthy of an admission price and start charging? Student tickets are dirt cheap, and it’s decent entertainment. Students didn’t have a problem camping out for Hawks Nest tickets in the early ‘00s/sitting in the end zone, and they won’t once again when the team becomes a winning program.
by Luke Recker No-Look Pass on Feb 22, 2012 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
Jake Butt showed courage committing to a B1G school...
considering the Wizgerald’s unsavory appeties for hindquarters.
R.I.P., Jake's Butt
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Feb 22, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Did no one click on the Chaney link? For shame...
Because it had this gem:
Chaney allegedly said he was “not that drunk,” then admitted to being drunk. He also told officers that they “wouldn’t last a f—-ing minute in Kinnick Stadium.”
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
It was precipitated by
You have the right to remain silent…..
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I did not.
But that is an all-time quote. I will never hold PCJr in poor regard again.
by The Mexican't on Feb 22, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
It being Chaney, I was kinda surprised there wasn't some driving the wrong way down a one-way street involved.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 22, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Happens to the best of us.
I managed that very feat while sober in Davenport.
by The Mexican't on Feb 22, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
I had an acquaintance who got busted DUI twice (he's an idiot) and both times they caught him because he was driving the wrong way down a one way.
The first time he was driving to pick up a sandwich.
From Jimmy Johns.
WHO DELIVERS.
Like I said, he’s an idiot.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah, me too (sober).
Talk about awful feelings. Not sure whether to put it in reverse or around the end of the block.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 22, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
I did it in front of Davenport's finest
in my defense, it had just rained, the road was slick and when I went around the corner I goosed the gas and the ole back end just slid right around. How an 18 year old in a Camaro cruising downtoen on a Friday night doesn’t get a ticket, or at least pulled over for that I have no idea.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Talk about awful feelings. Not sure whether to put it in reverse or around the end of the block.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 22, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He definitely bobbled that.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 22, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Rim shot
You’ve been on fire lately.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 22, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Chazz is the fire?
Someone call Billy Joel.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Paul is exaggerating
I think everyone here has been in Kinnick Stadium for several minutes and survived.
They wouldn't last a fucking minute, but Chaney's end-arounds each lasted ten.
That’s a better comeback to “You have the right to remain silent” than anything I’ve got, though.
You gonna line up with a dead man, Jimbo?
"No, Ed, I really don't know what I'm doing here, either... Crazy, huh?"
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Wait - there's NOT a limit on possessions allowed per half?
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 22, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
"I was just minding my own business holding my head in my hands; you're the one who came over and talked to me, Ed!"
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 22, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
"I've got 1.2 million reasons to be here -- what's your excuse?"
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
It's that big, huh?
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
by Flakbait on Feb 22, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Paul Chaney
I wonder if he got pulled over after illegally doing an end around?
"wouldn’t last a f—-ing minute in Kinnick Stadium." - Paul Chaney
by smokinthereiff on Feb 22, 2012 11:21 AM CST reply actions
and can never
be run enough.
PCJ’s biggest problem is he can get “captured” by a cloverleaf interchange, just keeps bringing the end around.
"SUPREME IN STATE: University of Iowa Football Team Established Undisputed Superiority over Football Teams of Rival Institutions within Boundaries of Hawkeyedom.—Trounces Ames" - The Iowa Alumnus
by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 22, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Dennis Hopper in Hoosiers
could draw up one great play. This d b from Miami (not the good one) should have watched a single game where Lickliter had his forehead in his palms for half the time. I have never seen worse body language (except bob knight choking kids—is that body language?) from a coach in my life. Classic game with lickliter: down by 9, the second half just started and nothing other than a sense of despair from the head ball coach that somehow seeped into the atmosphere and infected the entire fan base.
B. Stiles polled the Twitters last night by asking
If Alford and Lickliter met up in a game, who would you root for.? The fact that it ended in a tie kind of surprised me.
On one hand you have Alford who: brought in a good amount of talent, mismanaged some of it, was an asshole, scarred the University for life with the Pierce incident and enjoyed a fair amount of success. He was also responsible for many fans quitting on the program and a decrease in attendance.
Then there’s Lickliter who: built on Alford’s destruction of the program, brought in nobody, didn’t get along with AAU’s, played the worst brand of basketball ever and effectively scarred the program for the next 3 years (at least). I also never heard anyone say that he was an obnoxious, arrogant, unlikable prick.
Yet, in the end, I think what Todd Lickliter did is repairable. The team can get better. I also think Steve Alford damaged the program forever with the Pierce incident. That’s just something to consider.
Sorry to rant, I just see a lot of Todd Lickliter hate and I can’t understand why anyone would hate him over Alford. I have Steve Alford.
For me?
One man goes by Todd, or Coach Lickliter. The other goes by He Who Shall Not Be Named.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 22, 2012 12:00 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
That's good.
I was going to assume you had some kind of cancer, or STD.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Feb 22, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
For me...
the difference is that [Redacted] took over a program coming off a sweet 16 appearance, and won one NCAA tourney game in the next 8 years, and was generally an arrogant ass. Lickliter took over a program that was in much worse shape, IMO, and failed to improve it. It was a bad fit and it didn’t work out, but I don’t hate the guy.
by telepathetic on Feb 22, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
This expresses my feelings
better than I could have.
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Feb 22, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
Bucket said it best last night
He would pull for Lickliter but would rather have Alford coaching his team in that matchup. That about sums it up for me, I’d rather Lick won the game but Alford is probably the better coach even though he’s the less likeable human being.
From the Iowa perspective
that may be the most unwatchable game in history.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
first team to 14 wins!
Good chance it will only take 1 OT.
"SUPREME IN STATE: University of Iowa Football Team Established Undisputed Superiority over Football Teams of Rival Institutions within Boundaries of Hawkeyedom.—Trounces Ames" - The Iowa Alumnus
by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 22, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Its not about the record Coles
Lick was killing our program with no end in sight
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Feb 22, 2012 12:29 PM CST reply actions
It has probably been said but
The layout and presentation on this very obvious “Come at me, bro” was epic. We need a gif of Fran spiking the chair with the “Haters gonna hate” on it.
I’m glad we seem to have found the right coach to ignite the program, players, students, and fans and kinda sick of the Lickliter Butthurt stuff.
Go hawks!
"Somebody change JoePa's colostomy bag!"
You know, good point. Its probably time to quit rehashing Redacted/Lick
What’s done is done. Let’s look towards the future.
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
http://www.thebirdcult.net
by The Bird Cult on Feb 22, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
BTW
we just kind of beat up a top 20 team last game. And have 2 more wins over ranked opponents this year. YEA!
"SUPREME IN STATE: University of Iowa Football Team Established Undisputed Superiority over Football Teams of Rival Institutions within Boundaries of Hawkeyedom.—Trounces Ames" - The Iowa Alumnus
by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 22, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Serious question because I don't know
How many wins did Lick have at Iowa over top 25 teams?
I think there was one win over a ranked MSU.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 22, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Who?
(putting that era behind me now)
"SUPREME IN STATE: University of Iowa Football Team Established Undisputed Superiority over Football Teams of Rival Institutions within Boundaries of Hawkeyedom.—Trounces Ames" - The Iowa Alumnus
by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 22, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Latest former coach troll of the Iowa fanbase
Courtesy of Seth Davis at SI.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
Wow
Lickliter won 38 games in three years and never finished higher than eighth in the Big Ten. He got fired and was replaced by Fran McCaffrey, who had just gone to three straight NCAA tournaments at Siena. In his nearly two years at Iowa, McCaffrey’s teams have gone 10-22 in Big Ten play. Those guys didn’t forget how to coach upon arriving at Iowa
Mr. Davis should probably get more familiar with the Iowa story before implying that Fran is currently sucking wind.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
What the fuck? Redacted did win 2 B1G tournament titles
In the first of those, his team was T-6 during the regular season, and the 2nd he was T-2.
Fran in conference = 10-22 (31%)
Lickliter in conference = 15-39 (28%)
Redacted in conference = 61-67 (47%)
Davis in conference = 125-105 (54%)
Raveling in conference = 26-28 (48%)
Lute in conference = 91-71 (56%)
So, redacted was Raveling, except he’s a prick, couldn’t recruit like Raveling, and was hated. Now I’m just pissed off.
Alford dissing Iowa pushes my buttons
“Iowa had what, three or four titles before I got there and won 2?”
No, it was eight, and it’s still eight. And it’s yet another remark that shows he gave a rat’s flying flip about whatever happened at Iowa before he arrived.
By the end of Lute Olson’s tenure, Iowa had eight Big Ten championships in 60 years. If they could have kept that pace, they’d be at 12 now. Yeah, it’s not Purdue/Indiana/Ohio State territory, but it’d be squarely in the middle with Michigan and Michigan State. It’s also why letting Tom Davis go after 13 seasons without a title was the right call then and is still the right call today.
Iowa had a tradition in basketball through up through the 80s of winning basketball under multiple coaches. O’Connor, Miller and Olson regularly finished in the top half of the Big Ten and contended for titles on a year-in/year-out basis. It also didn’t take very long to show to the door the three post-WWII coaches that didn’t uphold that standard (Scheuerman, Schultz, Raveling). Tom Davis, classy guy that he is, excelled at being just good enough to keep the hounds at bay. At the same time, he didn’t sniff a conference title after his first year. Alford’s record was worse. And until the Lickliter “era”, Iowa could at least stake a claim to having never been worse than mediocre.
Long story short, the last decade is NOT representative of Iowa basketball. Really, neither are the last 30 years, but after that long I guess you are what you’ve become.
The promise of McCaffery is that you can see the sparks that could finally get the 33-year monkey off their back. I’m more hopeful for Iowa basketball now than I have been since 1990.
. . Years . . . Avg Rec Avg Place .Pct Titles/Yrs
1923-1929 . 6.1-5.9 . . 5.1/9 . . .512 . 2/7 . . Sam Barry
1931-1942 . 5.3-7.1 . . 6.4/9 . . .429 . 0/13 . Rollie Williams
1943-1950 . 6.6-5.4 . . 4.5/9 . . .552 . 1/8 . . Pops Harrison
1952-1958 . 9.4-5.1 . . 3.7/10 . .647 . 2/7 . . Bucky O’Connor
1959-1964 . 6.3-7.7 . . 5.7/10 . .452 . 0/6 . . Sharm Scheuerman
1965-1970 . 9.0-5.0 . . 3.5/10 . .643 . 2/6 . . Ralph Miller
1971-1974 . 5.0-9.0 . . 7.0/10 . .357 . 0/4 . . Dick Schultz
1975-1983 .10.1-7.9. . 3.9/10 . .562 . 1/9 . . Lute Olson
1984-1986 . 8.7-9.3 . . 6.0/10 . .481 . 0/3 . . George Raveling
1987-1999 . 9.6-8.1 . . 4.8/11 . .543 . 0/13 . Tom Davis
2000-2007 . 7.6-8.4 . . 5.9/11 . .477 . 0/8 . . Steve Alford
2008-2010 . 5.0-13.0 . 9.0/11 . .278 . 0/3 . . Todd Lickliter
2011-2012 . 5.0-11.0. . 8.5/11 . .313 . 0/2 . . Fran McCaffery
by Cattlefeeder on Feb 22, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Tom Davis was
competing against the Michigans, OSUs, and Illinois’s of the world (that bought players). And Minnesota, that cheated to keep them eligible. And a good Purdue program. And an Indiana program that was still nationally prominent, but on the downhill slide.
And, was dealing with that snake-oil salesman Roy Williams stealing our best players
And, was dealing with the advent of the “athletes leave early” pheomenon. Imagine what might have been with Kingsbury or Ricky Davis or even Joey Range not leaving early.
And he still kept Iowa in the top half of the Big Ten most of the time.
You renew that guy until he retires or gives you a reason to fire him. You don’t announce a forced retirement a year or two early, to kill off recruiting, and then bring in a princess from Indiana that never looked comfortable in Iowa City.
I hope Fran takes us the big time, but we’ll probably be quite fortunate if he does what Dr. Tom did.
The old man from Miami OH wasn’t 100% wrong. A lot of Iowa hoops fans think we are, or were, better than we are, or were. We have a whopping 3 Final Fours (none in the 64+ team era) and one Elite 8. Duke, we are not.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 22, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
You don't think Iowa can be a consistent NCAA tournament team under Fran?
Or are you assuming that he leaves before coaching Iowa to 9 or 10 NCAA appearances?
I may be drinking the kool-aid, but I’m of the opinion that Fran can coach the Hawkeyes to at least one regular season B1G title, which seems to be something that the good doctor was unable to do.
by The Mexican't on Feb 22, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'm with you
I think next year could possibly be the start of a Bo Ryan type run (both optimistic thinking and based on year 2 improvement and recruiting ability). So a decade of annual NCAA trips, occasional regular season and B1G tourney titles, a number 2 or 3 seed, and an elite eight or two. It’s plausible. Then in a decade we can all bitch about how he’s failed to reach a Final Four or capture the regular season and tourney titles in the same year.
"Shh, I don't want this notion that I can be level-headed getting around it will totally ruin my online rep" - HoyaGoon
It is possible.
I tend to call Dr. Tom a “consistent NCAA tourney” coach.
I really don’t want to start predicting what Fran can or can’t do when we haven’t even made a big dance yet. Someone around her today was talking about “Fran thinking he can win it all with at Iowa.” Maybe that’s not a prediction, but I’m with-holding my praise for now.
I’m not sure if the Big Ten Season Title is easier to win now, or more difficult. It’s 18 games now, but was 16 for most of Dr. Tom’s era. You now have a national power in MSU, and maybe OSU is close, too. But I’m not sure how I’d compare Purdue, Michigan, IU, Illinois, or Wisky to the good programs of the 1980s/1990s Big Ten.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 22, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
And, for some reason,
I’m not too afraid of losing Fran to anyone but Notre Dame and maybe a hand-full of national powers (UNC, Duke, UCLA, UConn, Syracuse). But, he’d have to win pretty big at Iowa to get any of those jobs.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 22, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
True
but we also have PSU and Nebraska to play against now, which should help
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Feb 22, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
And our record currently is 1-2 against those teams....
"Shh, I don't want this notion that I can be level-headed getting around it will totally ruin my online rep" - HoyaGoon
What an egregious misreading of the situation.
I’m loathe to do a fisking on an article that’s about something that happened FIVE YEARS AGO, but this might deserve it.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Pierre who?
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 22, 2012 1:52 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Hmm
Note how Davis only cherry-picks post-[Redacted] snapshots of the Iowa program for the purposes of his response. He doesn’t offer any comparison with how the program was prior to his arrival. If he had done that, I suspect it would be far more difficult to support his point that making 3 NCAA tourneys in 8 years and winning one game as being very successful. But whatever.
by telepathetic on Feb 22, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Shouldn't require too much fisking since it's just a blurb in the mailbag.
I wasn’t even much of a basketball fan during the Alford error and I’m fully aware that what Davis did with that article is horseshit. I feel like he only responded so that he could call all fans ungrateful pricks.
by The Mexican't on Feb 22, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
Also, why pretend like a coach can't crater a program and affect those that follow him?
Pointing to Iowa’s struggles now and absolving Alford is HILARIOUS.
by The Mexican't on Feb 22, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
You're just saying that...
because that article makes it out to seem like Alford is a great guy and us iowa fans are retarded.
The $64 question is
if you write a nice response explaining how wrong he is, will he have the guts to admit in in his next column.
I don’t think he would. And I would say that to his face (since he seems pretty big on that).
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Massive misrepresentation of what happened
It’s convenient to mention going to 3 NCAA’s in 8 years, but it’s highly inconvenient to mention they got rocked in one of the first-round games they had and lost a huge lead and were upset in another.
Also, it’s funny that Alford, to this day, continues to refer to those tournament titles as “Big Ten titles.” Simply, they are not Big Ten titles. Iowa’s last Big Ten title was 1978-79.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
I think Big Ten Titles include tournaments
But I’ve had drawn out, pointless debates about that on here before.
I should clarify why this irks me a little
Alford has implied for a number of years now that he won two Big Ten regular season titles by omitting “tournament” when talking about it. “We won two Big Ten titles.” He won 2 Big Ten Tournament titles. They are still great accomplishments, and they were both a thrill. I got to see the second one in person, and it was a blast, a really great Iowa basketball moment. But he didn’t win regular season Big Ten titles. It’s why Seth Davis inserted [tournament] when he quoted Alford. Davis might have conducted a mini-hit on the Iowa program by responding to that email (and really embarrassing Travis, who sent it), but Davis must agree on that – they were “tournament” titles, but not “Big Ten titles” in the traditional sense. That doesn’t mean he didn’t win them – he did. But to keep implying they were Big Ten regular season titles is a bit disingenuous.
So I stand by my comment that Iowa’s last Big Ten title – as to me, Big Ten title implies regular season – was 78-79 (and their last solo Big Ten title was the 69-70 team that massacred the Big Ten).
Feel free to disagree, which I think you probably will.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
Initially I didn't have a side in this debate, but then I thought a bit about it and I'm on team "tournament only half counts"
As I noted above, I’m in my infancy as an Iowa basketball fan, so I know very little about Alford’s reign, but didn’t the last NCAA berth by Alford’s team depend entirely on winning the BigTen tournament? If Fran is somehow able to coach this team to a BigTen tournament win is anyone going to call this group of Hawkeyes B1G champions? And if so, doesn’t that seem entirely unreasonable?
Claiming BTT titles is fine, and, as Nickhawk has stated, is certainly commendable. But calling them BigTen championships feels like telling a half-truth.
by The Mexican't on Feb 22, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
No, the last Alford team to make the NCAA Tournament was the good one that almost won the regular season title in 05-06.
The 01 team was the one that wouldn’t have made the NCAA Tournament without the miraculous BTT run.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Oh, well, then I should have gone with "one of those NCAA berths"
Thanks for clearing that up.
by The Mexican't on Feb 22, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Completely agree.
Tournament titles won in three or four days are an entity unto themselves, and should not be mixed, commingled, or mentioned in the same breath as regular season titles won over the course of ten weeks. Personally, I don’t think they should even get a banner in Carver.
And Alford trying to pass them off as such is another reason he fits much better somewhere other than here.
by Cattlefeeder on Feb 22, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
Nah, I don't disagree
I totally get where you’re coming from. And I know I’m in the minority on this, but I don’t make a distinction between the two. Free to be you and me and all that shit.
I also understand
thinking of “Big Ten Title” as a regular season title. I tend to think that.
But, do they even give a trophy for doing that anymore? Or just for the conference tourney? Obviously, there came a point (was it with the beginning of the Big Ten Tourney?) where the league gave it’s auto-bid to the tourney winner.
I say, if you won the auto-bid, call it a Big Ten Title. Why not? Otherwise, what’s the point of the tourney?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 22, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah.
And TV exposure. Because every other major conference has a tournament. B10 doesn’t want to be left out on that last weekend.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 22, 2012 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
All over the Twitters that Greg Davis took the OC job
Not confirmed by Iowa yet ,of course
by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 22, 2012 2:39 PM CST reply actions
Although, if they feel like it's already out
they may surprise everyone and just announce it today. Iowa PR is a constant guessing game.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 22, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Lousy Smarch weather
I am drunk.., or I wouldn't be talking to you.
by codenameduchess on Feb 22, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
It's not as if there was a clear fan favorite who got passed over
Is there? The expectations management was pretty good so nobody really got their hopes up for anything spectacular.
by Brock Sampson on Feb 22, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
I was in favor of Soup getting the promotion
Feared that it would be Erb; deliriously giddy when it looked like it might be Tom Moore and don’t really have that much of an opinion on Davis. After all, you take away the 2010 season, and most of us would be dancing in the streets over him; on the other hand, the only reason he’s available is because of that 2010 season and his lackluster performance.
So, in the end, my reaction is “Meh, I’m just glad it was all settled long before spring practice begins.”
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
this seems like a pretty level headed reaction
I think I agree.
DRUNJIFORNICATION
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Feb 22, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Shh, I don't want this notion that I can be level-headed getting around
it will totally ruin my online rep
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
And....
New signature
"Shh, I don't want this notion that I can be level-headed getting around it will totally ruin my online rep" - HoyaGoon
Agreed
I feared it would last well into March. Glad it’s set with some reasonable amount of time before spring practice.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
Probably won't have INP tomorrow
so i’ll hit you with a few more links
White Kids Can (Kind Of) Jump: A KF Exclusive Video Analysis
In Printy’s absence, remaining Hawkeyes have stepped forward
Hello, my name is . . . Cameron Wilson
Badgers Not Motivated By Revenge
Game preview: No. 15 Wisconsin pays visit on Thursday night
seriously?
God, I love The Kingsbury Factor.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Feb 22, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
lazy ass blogger
WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO TOMORROW MORNING? search for my own news… that sir.. is unacceptable.
DRUNJIFORNICATION
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Feb 22, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
you don't want to trade places with me right now
my employer has decided the best way to operate as a business is to save money by shelving our current computer system for a program that was designed in the 1960’s. No joke.
The man’s got me workin’ and learn’! Damn the man, damn him.
seriously?
I don't like this boss of yours
DRUNJIFORNICATION
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Feb 22, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Is that the type of typewriter
that automatically returns/goes to the next line instead of your hand physically moving it?
by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 22, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
so that flight departed at 12:43 today?
DRUNJIFORNICATION
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Feb 22, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
see PSD... we did it for you
DRUNJIFORNICATION
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Feb 22, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Which part of that code
calls for the $30 fee per checked bag?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 22, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Boom.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 22, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
And I thought our office manager was bad
When her solution to a line for the microwave at lunch was to buy us a toaster oven. JUST GET US A SECOND DAMN MICROWAVE!!
Also, she passive-aggressively chides me for overeating and shit which is just not fucking okay and might end up getting an HR call if it escalates any further.
I feel better now.
"Shh, I don't want this notion that I can be level-headed getting around it will totally ruin my online rep" - HoyaGoon
Yep.
When that happens to me, I’m give ‘em the old "yeah, I’m fat, but I’m also happier than you" wink and nod. Sends those jerks to the wash-room pronto for their daily bulimia session.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 22, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
I'm getting ready to get her a gift basket with a brush and some conditioner in it
Seriously, if your hair looks like the crazy cat lady from the Simpsons just STFU about my Hershey’s Kisses habit.
Also, don’t impugn the midwest based on your 5 years in Ft Wayne Fucking Indiana.
"Shh, I don't want this notion that I can be level-headed getting around it will totally ruin my online rep" - HoyaGoon
Wow. Hershey kisses.
That’s a pretty tame food vice.
I mean, if you were trying to eat 20 in one mouthful, then perhaps I could understand the criticism. But otherwise, yeah, shut up, lady.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 22, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
No, I maybe have 4-8 on an average day
I just get them on 2-3 trips to the front of the office to raid the candy basket. Which is enough for her to twice ask me to bring candy since that isn’t paid for by the office and other people have. Which is fucking wrong since I basically kept that thing stocked with the holiday Hershey’s bite size variety packs in December. And that was when we were all working 60 hour weeks and the candy was getting worked over at night. Fortunately I think she’s close to retirement.
"Shh, I don't want this notion that I can be level-headed getting around it will totally ruin my online rep" - HoyaGoon
You should bring a huge bag,
and wait for her to say something again, and just set it down on her desk. With authority.
Or, don’t do that, and keep your job. Either way.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 22, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
Buy her one of those giant Hershey's Kisses.
And tell her where she can shove it.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 22, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
I approve of this course of action.
Twitterz: @EnergizerHawk
by EnergizerHawk on Feb 22, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
I actually like my job so I wouldn't do that
And I feel the need to be the polite midwesterner in the office. I’d much rather bitch about it to my coworkers than confront her, that would be rude.
/Iowa Nice’d
"Shh, I don't want this notion that I can be level-headed getting around it will totally ruin my online rep" - HoyaGoon
Hmm. I wonder if they put him in a prison uniform or if he just chose the wrong night to wear his orange jumpsuit.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 22, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
#swag
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 22, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe he's Irish Protestant?
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 22, 2012 3:29 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Not that drunk, eh?
He’s rockin the ol’ one eye look. My husband likes this look when he’s not that drunk either.
/sarcasm
by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 22, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Between this and the quote to the cops
We would’ve been talking major Fulmer Cup bonus points, if only he were still on the team. Damn.
by Brock Sampson on Feb 22, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Really wish ICPD would stop targeting former players.
/messageboard’d
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 22, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure Cyclone Fanatic
will go absolutely apeshit about how the ICPD only arrests Iowa players after their eligibility is up because they’re protecting the program.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I assumed they were irate because the ICPD had clearly found a way to put Ames in their jurisdiction...
And were now targeting ISU players, hence the recent uptick in their arrests.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That would have to be one hell of a bender
For it to have started while he was playing and only now they busted him for it.
by Brock Sampson on Feb 22, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Huh. I figured that never stopped from our last issue (can't remember what it was?)
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 22, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
which is interesting, because I read an article last week
stating that ISU was tied for second in the amount of student-athlete arrests, behind Florida of course.
I didn't order assholes with my whiskey
by White Lightning on Feb 22, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty tired of hearing about Lickliter.
Lickliter turned Iowa basketball into a dumpster fire in 3 years, he probably only needed a few more years to turn that dumpster fire into a shit storm.
everyone who defends Lickliter always fails to mention that some how after 2 years the best back up guard we could muster was his own son, a son who had all the athletic ability of a high school bench player, not to mention the height. Let’s not worry about the ineptitude that lead to that being the case or the obvious nepotism in bringing a player of that caliber into a big 10 basketball program, let’s just bash Iowa for not being able to grasp his genius as a basketball coach.
Oh really?
How many awesome layups did YOU hit against Purdue?
/Lil John was a walk-on, right?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 22, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
i don't think he did
i just don’t like lickliter.
maybe it comes from jealousy, but i could definitely play ball a lot better than lil’ lick ever did.
Davis news is mainpage'd
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
who is this cole clown anyways? maybe he can hire up all the head coaches that win around one third of their games to create some sort of dream team of sub-mediocrity. a good coach leads good teams. good teams work together and the members pick each other up. a basketball team has (at least) five players on it, not including any towel boys or mildly retarded sons. lick didn’t get the shit-can because he lost, he got it because he lacks the leadership to keep these young men from jumping ship. what do we gotta do to get these guys on the sched sometime before this old fart keels over? oh, by the way, ferentz…
the best definition of a "hawkeye fan" is as follows: a being who goes on two legs and is ungrateful.
-KOK
by cj fyodostoevskawicz on Feb 23, 2012 2:05 AM CST reply actions
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