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The Short List: Greg Davis

At most schools, an open coordinator position wouldn't be cause for serious contemplation. Coordinators come and go, in most circumstances. Iowa football isn't most schools, though; the program hasn't hired a new coordinator in thirteen years, and a full-on head coaching search looks to be years away. Offensive Coordinator LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.

In retrospect, we should have seen it coming.

Just one year removed from a spot in the National Championship Game, Texas went 5-7 in 2010, with a horrendous 2-6 record in the Big XII. The Longhorns had lost seven of its last ten games and managed a meager 15.6 points per game in its contests against teams not named Florida Atlantic, Wyoming, or Rice. It was the last straw for Mack Brown; after thirteen years of gainful employment, offensive coordinator Greg Davis resigned (with a helpful push from Brown). Soon after Davis' resignation, Peter Bean of Burnt Orange Nation emailed me to ask about Ferentz's tendency toward continuity and how Iowa fans felt about their own Greg Davis, the now-departed Ken O'Keefe. I don't remember my response; I just remember drunkenly emailing Barking Carnival ten months later, after Iowa's offense had wet the bed in Happy Valley, and asking how they got their mutiny started.

Gergdavis_mediumWe really should have seen this coming. The similarities are abundant enough to make it a bit eerie: A thirteen-year coordinator with a solid resume, constantly under pressure from the fan base. A solid developer of talent at quarterback -- under his guidance, UT churned out Major Applewhite, Chris Simms, Vince Young, and Colt McCoy -- yet he was constantly criticized for his playcalling and in-game decisionmaking. While he embraced some of the spread passing game that enveloped the Big XII, Texas always remained steadfastly pro-style and conservative, especially against top-shelf opposition. Greg Davis was essentially the Texas-sized Ken O'Keefe, ostensibly more successful on the stat sheet and in the standings but rarely exceptional and constantly lampooned by a fan base that had seen more than enough to make its judgment.

We'll start from the beginning: Davis, 61, played quarterback at McNeese State in the early 1970s. He started by doing what almost every coach in the 1970s did in Texas: Coaching high school ball for five years before catching on as quarterbacks coach at Texas A&M, first for Tom Wilson and then Jackie Sherrill (for the Ferentz kremlinologists out there, this is your loose connection to the Ghost of Ferentz Past). In 1985, he moved to Tulane to coach wide receivers for a former Oklahoma offensive coordinator and fast-rising first-time Division I-A head coach Mack Brown. He spent three years under Brown in New Orleans; they inexplicably got the Green Wave to the 1987 Independence Bowl, Brown took advantage of the opportunity and moved to Chapel Hill, and Davis inherited the head coach position. He went 14-31 in four seasons before being cut loose. Davis spent two years as coordinator at Arkansas, first under Joe Kines (YAW YAW INSIDE TROUT YAW) and then the godlike Danny Ford, then another two under Ray Goff at Georgia.

Star-divide

Let's stop the story here for a second. By now, Greg Davis had been a position coach or offensive coordinator at a BCS-level program for eleven seasons (we won't count Tulane, the coaching graveyard that it is). In those eleven seasons, his teams were 61-58-4 and went to exactly one bowl game (Georgia, at 6-6, somehow made the 1995 Peach Bowl; the administration thanked Ray Goff by firing him and the rest of the staff, including Davis). Not exactly the exemplary record you'd expect from a seasoned coach like that.

Nevertheless, he made an impression on Mack Brown. Following his dismissal at Georgia, Davis caught on with Brown at North Carolina, where he settled in as offensive coordinator. Everything finally clicked: The Tar Heels went 21-3 in his two seasons on the job, finishing in the top 15 both years, winning a pair of Gator Bowls, and scoring a decent number of points in the process. After ten years in Chapel Hill, Brown was a hot commodity, and when Texas came calling, he took Davis along with him. You know where the story goes from here: After a decade of abject mediocrity, Texas took off. They scored points by the bushel. The cranked out halfbacks and quarterbacks, and they landed a boatload of five-star prospects every winter to reload. The Longhorns went a perfect 13-0 and won the national championship in 2005; in their first eight years at UT, Brown and Davis were now a staggering 83-19, as successful through eight seasons as Darrell Royal (and they named the stadium after Darrell Royal). From 2001-2009, Texas was a machine, winning at least ten games a season in nine straight seasons -- prior to Brown's arrival, UT had never won double-digit games in three seasons in a row -- with the offense leading the way. Before the dismal 2010 Texas offense, the 'Horns had been in the Big XII's top five scoring offenses every year he'd been at the helm, and had been in the top half of the conference in total offense in every year but one. Where they got that offense largely varied based on personnel; Texas threw the ball a lot in the early seasons, finishing in the conference's top four passing offenses every season from 1998 through 2002. Vince Young brought the passing game to a halt for a couple of seasons (though it was the one time UT was at or near the top of the conference in rushing offense for a sustained period of time; Texas finished third in rushing offense in 2003, first in 2004, first in 2005, and in the top four exactly one other time when Young wasn't taking the snaps).

It wasn't all wine and roses, though. The knock on Davis' tenure up to that point had been Texas' inability to score in big games, in particular against Oklahoma. While the Longhorns had run up huge scorelines on the likes of Rice and Tulane, they had grossly underperformed against OU ever since Bob Stoops got on his feet: From 2000-2004, Texas averaged just 10.8 points per game and lost five straight to the Sooners. Since 2005, Texas earned a split in the series and (at least up until this year) held its own with OU on both sides of the football. The criticism never really escaped Davis, though, and began expanding to other areas. Take, for instance, this well-reasoned discussion of Davis' tenure from days after he resigned (stop when it starts to sound familiar):

Here is what I will thank Greg Davis for: Twelve years of general success. Building an offense around Vince Young and being humble enough to trust VY to lead us to win. Building an offense around Colt McCoy in 2008 that featured Cosby, Shipley, and for a short period of time, Blaine Irby, where Colt McCoy lit the college football world on fire and should have won the Heisman. That 2008 OU game, maybe Davis' best called game, where we pantsed the #1 ranked Sooners and went on a run that, while came up short, made that 2008 team a fan favorite. Also, as a quarterbacks coach, Davis helped in the development of VY, Colt, and Major (and yes, Chris Simms), and he deserves some credit for that.

There are, obviously, many things to criticize Greg Davis for. He had a maddening tendency to be too complicated when it was time to be simple and too simple when we needed some wrinkles. He failed to develop a consistent running scheme for the past several years and went away from the spread option attack of Vince Young that helped us win a national title. He often failed to attack opponents' weak points specifically, opting to believe (I presume, anyway) that simply executing the Texas offense in a general manner would work simply because We're Texas and they're not. And, most famously, his random screen calls left much to be desired. Nonetheless, he had his successes here, and no one can take that away from him.

Was Greg Davis the best OC money could buy at Texas? I don't think so, and there have been enough episodes where something he did made me want to ram my head against a wall such that I don't regard him THAT highly. However, I refuse to look back at his 12 years and call it a complete failure or that he was simply a lucky bystander that benefited from and even impeded the talent of great recruits. Could we have won more games and more titles with a better offensive coordinator? Perhaps. Personally, I think we could have at least a couple more Big 12 titles (2001 and 2006 come to mind). That said, those Texas fans pretending we'd have a 4 national titles and 12 Big 12 titles with another coordinator are fooling themselves. Greg Davis wasn't quite that bad, and there is no guarantee another OC would have been demonstrably better during those years.

From an outside observer, Davis looks like both the beneficiary of a perfect situation and the victim of his head coach's own success. There is no denying that Davis had obscene amounts of high school talent delivered to his doorstep: From 2002 through his resignation in 2010, Davis and his staff recruited 92 offensive players to Texas; 59 of those players were given 4 or 5 stars by Rivals, and the average star rating of a Texas offensive players over that period was a tick over 3.7 (by contrast, Iowa is generally in the 2.8 neighborhood). But Davis, like KOK, served at the pleasure of a head coach who was (and is) largely beyond reproach from a rabid fanbase. The tongue-biting criticism of Mack Brown had to go somewhere when Texas lost to Oklahoma or underperformed its usual lofty expectations, and that criticism largely fell on the silent partner running an offense that never seemed to get out of its own way without a Heisman contender at quarterback. Davis took it largely in stride and, when it came time to make the ultimate sacrifice for his friend and supervisor, he fell on his sword like the good soldier he is.

There are any number of reasons why Ferentz would look to Davis as his next offensive coordinator (and why we firmly believe he'll be named in the next couple of days). The stats are impressive if void of context. The track record of developing quarterbacks is virtually unparalleled, even if those quarterbacks came with a constellation of recruiting stars next to their names. The resume is full of big football programs, if lacking the sort of across-the-board winning we'd hope to see. The recruiting benefits of a coordinator who grew up, played college ball, and spent the vast majority of his adult life coaching in Texas and Louisiana are obvious, especially for a staff that just lost one of its top connections into Pennsylvania and Ohio. But the way he's handled himself as the shield for Mack Brown for all those years, just as O'Keefe soaked up so much criticism that would otherwise be directed at Ferentz without a cross word, is why he's the inevitable choice. In retrospect, it makes too much sense.

Every possible sign indicates Greg Davis is the next offensive coordinator. And we really should have seen this coming.

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Like Woods was the DLine coach?

Or is this sources and not a recruit’s twitter?

by PackerHawk on Feb 21, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Or like the Giants LB coach was our new DC

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Feb 21, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Or like Tom Moore was hanging his framed "Friends Forever" picture of Peyton Manning on the wall of KOK's old office last week.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Feb 21, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you're mistaking control for indecision.

He’s still interviewing (Davis was interviewed Saturday or Sunday, and I have it on good authority another candidate was being interviewed yesterday). Players are probably saying Moore’s the guy because Moore’s been hanging around the offices for the last week or so.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Feb 21, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

So is the cruise over?

Or did he take these guys on the boat with him? I sort of lost track of the timeline over the past week or so.

by rosalita on Feb 21, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Possible phone/skype/whatever interviews?

Or maybe, KF had some candidates join him on the cruise?

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Feb 21, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

The only candidate on the cruise is Erik Campbell.

If Campbell is on the cruise with the staff, this could be a “congratulations, you’re the guy” event. Leave port as an old staff, arrive as a new one.

I don’t see Ferentz using a cruise as a place for a)bringing non-staff or family along and b) a place for a reality tv show.

Survivor: Iowa Staff. Person who does not run the ship into dry ground is the new OC.

by hawkinsandmelrose on Feb 21, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Skype?

I laugh at your comical belief that KF using anything other than smoke signals

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Carrier pigeon is still the best way to send messages, dammit.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Even JoePa could Skype

I’m sure KF could figure it out. Then again, JoePa was using a balling ass Mac. I doubt KF can get Skype on his Gateway 2000.

by mikjones24 on Feb 21, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Watchu talkin about "Gateway 2000"

KF is still rocking the Tandy 1000

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Of course he's not

Ever since this came out, KF has sworn off boats as being too “sexy” (lyrics NSFW)

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Kirk swore off sexy

when he heard Right Said Fred drifting through the car window of some punk teenager next to him at a stop light. He’s not the type of man to go shirtless and he decided then and there that he better not risk such a thing happening to him.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't listen/watch/catch the podcast and am too lazy to do so now.

They either said he was or they said he wasn’t. And I’m not tyring to be an ass to you, just wondering what they actually said.

by hawkinsandmelrose on Feb 21, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks.

But to me that’s Kirk’s way of saying: ’I’d rather not say, but I am going. Please don’t tell anyone."

by hawkinsandmelrose on Feb 21, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Tin cans and tight string have worked well for KF in the past.

He’d mail the “travelling” can via Pony Express. A rider was spotted outside of Albuquerque two days ago. Headed west.

by OhReally? on Feb 22, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

That too

My thinking was mainly that even if you’re tight with the players they probably know about as much about who it’s going to be as most reporters. They see people around, but they don’t actually know what Ferentz is thinking. I’m also making the assumption that in KF’s “loose lips sink ships” world that telling players anything before it’s official is not standard operating procedure.

by PackerHawk on Feb 21, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Isn't KF on the cruise right now?

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

According to Vint:

Ferentz is flying back and forth via hovercraft. According to Vint’s good authority, polly the parrot.

by hawkinsandmelrose on Feb 21, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah? How do you like my parrot now?

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Feb 23, 2012 11:14 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Ferentz could have an incredibly successful second career as a professional poker player.

I would never EVER want him to sit down at my table. Whether it’s in-game coaching or managing the program, his ability to control a situation and frustrate and confound adversaries and observers in the process is remarkable. Sometimes he has decent cards, sometimes he doesn’t, but the game is played on his terms most of the time. He has the ability and willingness to lay down a winning hand to protect his stack when he’s unsure of himself and/or his opponent. He is frustratingly patient and doesn’t need to win all the hands, paying into the pot sometimes just to get a read or confuse things. More often than not, he knows his opponent better than the opponent knows himself. And when he’s getting some decent cards, he will take most of the money. I, for one, don’t believe this is indecision. I think he’s had this situation figured out for a while now, and waited to make his move until conditions were just right to do so. He’s got me convinced that he plans his trips to the shitter before he eats his meals. Just my read.

I’ve always thought the same about KOK to a lesser extent as well, based on his frustrating tendency to grind and then do something totally ridiculous, whether it’s a winning move or not, just to keep his opponent off balance.

I am drunk.., or I wouldn't be talking to you.

by codenameduchess on Feb 21, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

So he plays percentages a lot...

It’s a good point, but he’s been a lot less of a slave to the math lately than in years past.

I am drunk.., or I wouldn't be talking to you.

by codenameduchess on Feb 21, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Scratching me right where I itch right there with this comment

“He’s got me convinced that he plans his trips to the shitter before he eats his meals.”
The fact that I don’t find that absurd when in the context of Ferentz and his decisionmaking should scare the poop out of anyone.

by Captain America (aka Steve Rogers) on Feb 21, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Great comment

I feel similarly about the way Ferentz handles himself and the program. He takes a lot of grief about the way he handles the teams “indiscretions” over the years. But I like his old school mentality and hope to see him on the Hawks sidelines for many years.

by MileHighHawkeye on Feb 21, 2012 3:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Current players

and that is the reason for the very first word being rumor.

by lambo71 on Feb 21, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

THujone is so good.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Feb 21, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm no expert on Greg Davis.

But I do know that many, many, many fanbases complain about their Offensive Coordinators and playcalling. In fact, just about every fanbase I have ever been around.

by H I McDonnough on Feb 21, 2012 8:26 AM CST reply actions  

This is certainly true

It’s the most visible assistant position, and everyone in attendance thinks they can call plays like Bill Walsh. It’s how you handle it that matters to a guy like KF. And the point here is, Greg Davis handled it on a much bigger stage like KF would want his coordinator to handle it at Iowa.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Feb 21, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I just like the idea of a Texas connection.

No one knows what the future holds, of course, but I could see Woods and B. Ferentz being in Iowa City for a long time. If Davis could get them started on some connections to recruiting the area, that’s a good pipeline.

In a state that large, there are plenty of kids that want to blaze their own path instead of being Vince Young or Colt McCoy or Ricky Williams or Cedric Benson’s successor. And there are plenty of parents who will encourage their kids to go to the Midwest because it is safer and away from their usual bad influences. (at least, this is the case I heard a few times for Californians going to Nebraska – no idea if it’s the same for Texas and Iowa).

meh

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

This is my favorite criticism
went away from the spread option attack of Vince Young that helped us win a national title

I mean, really? There aren’t many guys who can make that offensive scheme work like VY did, and Colt McCoy was not one of them.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

ATTHG

Over the last several seasons, Texas had the same luck at tight end that Iowa has had at running back. Well, not that bad, but pretty bad. Davis had to adjust the offense to run without one and I think it made a major difference in his play calling. Especially the run game.

Make the world a better place, punch a Buckeye in the face!

by TX_Hawkeye on Feb 21, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

To be fair, Davis was also saddled with the corpse of Garrett Gilbert’s psyche and a disengaged Mack Brown. I don’t think the Texas faithful have ever gotten over McCoy getting hurt against Alabama in the MNC. And – stop me if you’ve heard this – they blame Davis for the playcall where he got hurt.

by txhawkeye on Feb 21, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

This is really great stuff, PV.

Davis’s expertise as a criticism shield really puts a nice button on the non-Soup promotion.

by The Mexican't on Feb 21, 2012 8:34 AM CST reply actions  

I don't know that Soup would be a better choice, but he seemed to be the clear leader out of the gates.

Patrick mentioned during early speculation that Soup may not be interested in being a shield for criticism, and, as a result, may not be interested in the job.

by The Mexican't on Feb 21, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

It is quite clear to me that Vint knows much more about CFB outside of Iowa than I do

Which also makes it hard for me to read the amount of tongue in cheek in this article. Is Davis really even a known candidate?

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Feb 21, 2012 8:48 AM CST reply actions  

I'll say this:

They had one horrendous season, and Mack cleaned house to try and make one more run, and then they sucked again.

So what I’m getting at is: If it was 2010, we’d be doing backflips over Greg Davis.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Feb 21, 2012 8:59 AM CST reply actions  

That's what I took away from this article

My question is why does he not have a job already? I, like catnuts, know little about CFB, outside of my beloved hawks, so was he just “let go” too late in the offseason so he didn’t get picked up by anybody last year, or did he take the Tom Bradley route and say he needed a year off? I hope you can provide a bit of insight for me here.

Persona non grata.

by ninerhawk on Feb 21, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

From what I understand, the latter

He resigned before their bowl game, so he could have gone somewhere else. He was also the highest-paid coordinator in the country at one point, so he wasn’t exactly wont for cash. I think he took a year to decompress.

That doesn’t explain why he hasn’t been mentioned anywhere else this year (for that, I think you need to look at the “he ran the Texas offense and expected it to win because we’re Texas and they aren’t” part of the BON post) but it does explain 2010.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Feb 21, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

this brings up a good point re:salary

how much do we have to pay him to get him here? is there any indication that we will adjust the other assistant salaries upwards to bring them more in line with the rest of the conference?

Son of a bitch, I'm sick of these dolphins.
@keepitupguys

by sailorjerry on Feb 21, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I imagine Davis' salary won't be a deal-breaker.

It’ll be significantly less than he made at Texas, of course, but he’s in his 60s and has been out of work. Iowa doesn’t need to lure him away from anywhere.

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Feb 21, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I seem to recall

that part of the reason Mack cleaned house was just as much to save his own skin; the fanbase was demanding scalps, including Mack’s, and Mack used Davis to appease them.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

PV is correct, we've become Kremlin watchers in regards to Ferentz...

Could it be Erb? Campbell? Moore? Davis? Chernenko? Ferentz says little and plays by his own script. All of this may be frustrating, but it is interesting.

Das Stochern gewinnt.

by Blackheartnopants on Feb 21, 2012 9:14 AM CST via Android app reply actions  

Well, if its Chernenko

he’ll be replaced by a real innovator a season after his appointment

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Our new horizontal passing game is gonna devastate the B1G, y'all.

They won’t know what hit ’em.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 9:20 AM CST reply actions  

see?

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure I see this

although not because Davis is not a good OC. I think his record speaks for itself, he’s a fantastic OC. But, his preference, I always thought, was to kind of run a spread light offense. I’m sure he could coach up any sort offense but something about this doesn’t jibe.

I sense with the hiring of Brian Ferentz the new OC is going to come out of the NFL ranks for too many reasons to list here. I would be surprised if KF went with a college lifer for this hire. With one exception….Soup.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 21, 2012 9:34 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

This is going to sound crazy

but maybe Ferentz is going to use this as an opprotunity to change up the Iowa offense philosophy a bit. He’s not a stupid man and he knows better than any of us the problems Iowa has. He also knows what has been working for other teams in the B1G, and nationally although probably less so because he doesn’t break down all of their games.

I’m hoping he does take this change as an opprotunity to inject something new.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

He might. I'm not holding my breath. It is too much of his identity to run the zone blocking.

But, in thinking more about this I am wondering who would want this job knowing Brian Ferentz is just sitting there pretty much the inevitable next OC within the next 3-5 years. Greg Davis, that’s who. A guy who has already had his HC shot, and is unlikely to get it again….ever. A guy who is looking to pad his 401K and win some games in a nice town.

So, in this regard, and given how late in the game we are, I can now see this dude coming here.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 21, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Soup's disadvantage is that he's never been an OC and I could see that being a deal breaker.

also, that mucks up the works for the inevitability of BF.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 21, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I like the assumption

that lack of playcalling experience is a deal-breaker for everyone except Brian.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, Brian isn't the OC yet.

If Kirk really did hire his son with the intention of eventually elevating him to OC, then assistant OC is probably in the cards over the next few years.

by The Mexican't on Feb 21, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

If these assumptions are true, however, regarding Brian eventually being OC

than this is the exact problem with nepotism

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Nepotism is a problem in corporate America

Kirk is running his own business. He’s doing what 99% of small business owners with capable sons do. This is what is confusing you.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 21, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Two points

(1) Kirk does not “own” the program, it is not his to do whatever the hell he pleases with it. Now, he has become the de facto owner, and far too many people seem to believe he can do whatever the hell he wants. But I’m a fan of Iowa first, Kirk second

(2) The list of successful small businesses that have been run into the ground by the sons of their founders is literally too long and exhaustive to go into. The simple fact remains, the son doesn’t learn shit when daddy is always there to cover up for him.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I can understand the frustration, but we haven't given B.Ferentz any chance to prove that he's terrible as an OL coach

Before we write this off as a terrible idea caused entirely by Kirk’s inability to separate himself from his son, let’s remember that (according to at least one report) this was Brian’s idea, and that he might actually be a good coach.

by The Mexican't on Feb 21, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I certainly hope so

and I’m not against the hire of Brian as offensive line coach. I think, and hope, he can be successful. What I’ve been against is his being brought in as a mere stepping-stone to the OC and possibly HC positions, all while never having to truly prove himself. It’s the assumption automatic promotion that worries me, and the potential difficulty in fairly judging Kirk’s motivation in such a presumption. I think Brian could be a very good coach and risen on his own merits. The problem is with this course of action, it will be impossible for us to tell

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

But Kirk isn’t able to just hand pick him to be the next head coach at Iowa, so your concerns there aren’t really needed. Even if he does become the next OC, he is still going to have to go through the vetting and hiring process, but that won’t be with Kirk. So if he hasn’t demonstrated enough to warrant a BCS head coaching job at that point, there is no way he gets it then.

by Bust my McNuttz on Feb 21, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

And if you're going to compare businesses to football teams,

Then the new hire has been working at arguably the most successful business and under arguably the best CEO in the business.

I’m fine with that.

by hawkinsandmelrose on Feb 21, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Two Counterpoints

1) Kirk can pretty much do whatever he wants when it comes to Iowa Football and staffing decisions. You think Gary Barta is a better judge of assistant football coaching talent that Kirk?

2) The list of businesses taken over by the son that have gone to bigger and better things, or at least “as good as” is also too long to go into.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

#1 is absolutely right

I want Kirk to have the freedom to hire/fire his own staff and shape it in his image. That does not, however, give him the right to be shaping the program after he has gone. And that was the type of “ownership” I was referring to.

But you’re just absolutely incorrect on point #2

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

You have a database

of every small business around the world ever and their history? Please share.

You can’t say that hiring Brian is a bad idea because it’s usually a bad idea for a father to hire his son. Each situation is different. If the son is good at his job and loves the company and the father is able to treat him, basicaly, like everybody else then it can be a great idea.

Brian is inexperienced, but so far so good. He loves Iowa football. We have zero evidence that Kirk has or will play favorites with his sons. We don’t even have rumors that Brian or James didn’t earn their spots on the team.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying

that Brian is a terrible coach. In fact, I’m of the opposite position. But I am saying that it will be almost impossible for the fans to get a sense of his talents — Kirk has gotten the lion’s share of the credit for the O-line play up to know, why should that change now unless there is a dramatic change for good or bad — and, I believe, it will be the same for Kirk to give a fair and unbiased evaluation of his son’s ability as a coach. That’s natural, every father wants his son to succeed, and most will do whatever they can to help that. I just really object to the idea that Kirk has brought Brian on with the view towards automatic promotion to offensive coordinator once he has enough years of coaching to make him “qualified”.

YES, that is an assumption (Brian being on automatic track to OC); and it’s not a minor one. But it is the assumption that were working under in this thread.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Does that mean you're okay with Ferentz, B acting as OL coach forever?

Or is he supposed to become succesful and experienced at Iowa to then take a job at another school? Would that be okay with you?

by hawkinsandmelrose on Feb 21, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

It's also OUR assumption

We don’t know what Kirk has in mind. If Brian wants to be a head coach some day, Kirk could very well, in a couple years, encourage to go to some other staff to get exposure to another mentor.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

True

I think Brian would have benefited by coaching elsewhere for a few more seasons (3-4), including on a team that wasn’t that good and didn’t have the ridiculous bounty of talent that NE did. I believe you can learn more in defeat/failure, when you have to analyze and evaluate what went wrong and attempt to change it. Brian could be every bit as good a coach than some are suggesting (better even), but I feel that he has been too quickly brought in to a position where his abilities will never really be tested or where he will be held fully accountable. Fear of losing your job can be an amazing motivator, guaranteed stability and promotions regardless of “merit” or the lack thereof is just the opposite.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

How did we arrive at the assumption that B Ferentz is on the OC track?

Not arguing. Just wondering how that became the prevailing assumption. I have yet to hear that KF is anything but a man of integrity. I haven’t heard of him fucking anybody over in his own pursuits, so I’m wondering why we would assume he would act without integrity in fostering his Son’s pursuits.

I am drunk.., or I wouldn't be talking to you.

by codenameduchess on Feb 21, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

So how many levels deep in assumptions are we?

It’s tough to keep track. But it’s all built on the assumption that everything is being done to make Brian Ferentz an OC in a couple of years. There is nothing but conjecture to support that assumption.

by H I McDonnough on Feb 21, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

We're a couple levels deep

and if discussing hypotheticals isn’t your cup of tea, than you are free to ignore all this. I was stirred to respond to SMA’s assumption because, so far, he’s been pretty dead-on accurate with his prognostications during The Great Coaching Search 2012

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's my issue

When we don’t know the facts, it seems that the tendency from some is to fill in the blanks with negatives.

by H I McDonnough on Feb 21, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

SMA also threw in a pretty heavy confounding factor immediately after that assumption

So I don’t really see the utility in getting mad at Ferentz for things that SMA is assuming.

Moreover, in 3-5 years, Brian Ferentz is going to have a pretty established track record as Iowa’s OL coach, and that’ll inform the next OC hire as much as anything else. Right?

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Feb 21, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I just look at Kirk's hiring practices over the years and see a pretty obvious thing

he values trust as much, if not more, than track record. Also, like him, I don’t find it a problem in his profession to hire relatives. Why? Because every coach is hiring a buddy when they build a staff. The notion that they are opening the search and looking for the best man is silly. They look for a guy they can spend oodles and oodles of hours with and know will occupy a role they have carved out in their minds for them. I don’t see anyone complaining that coaches bring old colleagues with them to new gigs, but if a Dean of college did that he or she would be crucified. Football is a different world IMO.

As for grooming Brian for the OC job, do we really think KF is thinking that he would rather groom someone else? He is either going to hire a guy he thinks will last for years and years or a guy like Davis—a guy who is 5 years away from retirement age. KF is not a guy to live by the seat of his pants and plan the next three months and let the rest play out. He has a game plan I am sure for the next five years.

And, I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t understand, frankly, the consternation of this possibility of BF as being groomed either. How do we not know that Phil Parker has been, in KF’s mind, being groomed for the past decade???

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 21, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

When has Ferentz groomed anyone for anything?

Football-wise, I mean. He has probably groomed his children’s hair.

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Feb 21, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

"Nothing takes the edge off a long day

like brushing the girls’ hair." -KF

"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta

by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 21, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

He groomed DJK for a life of crime

so there’s that.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 21, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It's not about being "mad"

It’s simply pointing out the double-standard that may be in existence. It was starting off with SMA’s hypothetical/assumption — Brian Ferentz was brought on board and will be bumped up in 3-5 years to OC — and discussing how, if true, then Kirk is bending the standards/criteria for his son that no one else gets, i.e. a lack of playcalling experience.

Fuck, this whole article/thread is a huge hypothetical: namely the assumption PV starts off with that Davis is going to be the hire. This particular sub-thread is going one or two steps further, but it flows naturally from the discussion. Obviously such a a discussion relies on a number of assumptions and you may find it unnecessary and/or pointless. But, as I said, SMA has been pretty accurate in his predictions so far, I was merely engaging in the further-out aspects of his thoughts.

Note, the second paragraph was intended more as a response to H I McDonnough (and others who would say that there is no point in discussing hypotheticals).

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a fun and spirited discussion

Also, I wonder if fans got all “meh-ey” when Fry hired former players like Long, the Stoops’, and Bielema, rather than finding “sexy” out of program hires?

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 21, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

We would have

but there was no internet at the time.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

There is kind of a history of nepotism in UI Bball.

Keno was an assistant for Dr. Tom, and after him, ______ hired his dad, Sam ________. Is it reverse nepotism to hire your dad?

Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.

by Give Eddie a Beer on Feb 21, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

One of Lick's sons

was the video coordinator, the other was a backup PG.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Feb 21, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

See?

Works. Every. Time.

Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.

by Give Eddie a Beer on Feb 21, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I think any number of the other hires Fry did in his last years

would probably have been the focus of the fanbase more than bringing back Long (fan favorite and team record holder) and Bielema (co-captain). The Stoops brothers, I believe, were brought back as GAs and had moved on long before.

And, not to beat a presumably dead horse, I think the second best thing Fry did for Iowa was not have sons follow him into coaching.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I never said that and never would

I discuss hypotheticals all the time. As CorrectHawk Jacobi stated more eloquently, I was questioning the idea ripping on KF for something that hasn’t happened.

I know I come off as a “coach can do no wrong” guy here, but I am actually not. It’s more an attempt to provide some counter to the negativity.

by H I McDonnough on Feb 21, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

This.

I don’t fancy myself a KF apologist, but often times after spending a little time in certain threads here I do start to get the feeling that he’s out in my yard kicking my dog. I don’t otherwise suspect him of such foul play. I’ve been fooled before though. I have to go check on my dog now.

I am drunk.., or I wouldn't be talking to you.

by codenameduchess on Feb 21, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Sorry, you're both apologists.

Because if you take away the seasons where KF went better than .500, you have a coach with a losing record.

Ha!

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Feb 21, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

We really, really don't need to re-open this debate

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

My bad,

I should have included the words “sarcasm font, engaged.”

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Feb 21, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

My bad as well

I forgot that you’ve been in funny/sarcasm-Chazz mode most of the past few weeks.

SBNation really needs the sarcasm font. And an edit button.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

My guess is that no one fancies themselves an apologist.

And no one says, “I think the coaches do wrong, I just don’t hold them accountable.”

Even the biggest ‘apologist’: I hold the coaches responsible when they actually do something wrong, I just don’t think they did anything wrong re: rhabdo, re: play-calling, re: transfers of high profile running backs, re: not winning more.

a) freak accident; b) risk-averse is good, c) it’s the kids’ faults; d) we’re iowa, we shouldn’t expect to win a lot

The biggest apologist would never admit to being an apologist because, in their view, KF et. al. do almost nothing worth apologizing for.

If we let people define themselves, there are no apologists nor negative-nellies.

meh

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

OK, here are some "wrongs"

I’ll start.

Clock management sucks.
Rhabdo was poorly handled.
Attrition has (off and on) been an enormous problem.
The ill-conceived end-arounds make me want to choke someone.
We sometimes saw some ingenious play calls/designs, and then never saw them again.
Special teams went from a huge strength to average or worse.
I don’t know why in the world we didn’t try to score at the end of regulation vs. OSU in 2009.

by H I McDonnough on Feb 22, 2012 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I forgot a big one

Getting the damned play calls in on time.

by H I McDonnough on Feb 22, 2012 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

It's been better

I was just trying to be a non-apologist

by H I McDonnough on Feb 22, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

It was a lot better last year

but was a frequent problem in the years leading up to then. Half the time we actually used a timeout it was Stanzi calling at TO because the play clock was winding down

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 22, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

One would hope so

but if SMA is correct and the current OC is merely being brought in as a caretaker for a few seasons, then in effect that decision has already been made. It will be Brian, and the only “qualification” for current-OC is someone who will only be around long enough to give Brian the bare minimum amount of experience needed to qualify for the position.

And this is why I was skittish about the Brian Ferentz hiring. I don’t have a problem with him as the O-line. But I do have a problem if Kirk is simply moving around coaches for the primary benefit of his son and losing quality assistants (Campbell) in short order because wants to clear the way for his son.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you underestimate -- perhaps -- the degree to which Kirk sees this

as his offense. You’re talking as if the OC is his own man, and that may not be the case, nor may it have ever likely been the case.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 21, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair point

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

This

KOK didn’t run a pro-style offense anywhere until he got to Iowa if I remember correctly. Basically proves your point.

by PackerHawk on Feb 22, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

The number of failed businesses in general is vastly longer than the successful ones, no?

So, leaving out context, 2nd-generation business owners would almost certainly have vastly higher rates of failure.

meh

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

What If?

It’s the other way around? What if BF is here to help KF in his career? The intent could easily be for the son to nurture the program for several years and then leave to greener pastures when Dad says “finished.”

He already showed he knows how to apply himself in the NFL. It’s not fair to anyone involved to assign future intent to what’s happening today.

I was uncomfortable with this thing at first, but the more I thank about it, the happier I am that he is here. I think BF would have been a credible hire without his NFL experience. He was an excellent Iowa player during excellent Iowa times.

Just think of the bitching around here if BF had gone to PSU or tOSU? People wpuld have called him a traitor and a glory hound. He’s damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. I don’t like it.

by Vandy's Mom Digs Me on Feb 21, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

Credible without his (limited) NFL coaching experience? How so? Or is it your opinion that any former player who was good at his position is qualified to coach? Because the list disproving that particular theory is incredibly long. And distinguished.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Belichick's quote in the Globe

Swayed me. He said when a person grows up in a football coach’s house, you learn things by osmosis.

I know you are familiar with the article, just wanted to point out what changed my mind about Brian Ferentz. Belichick had no reason to sugar-coat his statements in that February Globe article. I am not a Pats fan, but I recognize they are well-coached, and I believe Belichick when he gives a football opinion.

by Vandy's Mom Digs Me on Feb 21, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Alexander the Great!

Oh! No politics! Sorry!

Das Stochern gewinnt.

by Blackheartnopants on Feb 21, 2012 12:27 PM CST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

Hey, I hear ya. But

we can rant all we want. Kirk owns the program. Lock stock and barrel. He hires who he wants. If you worried he is going to run it into the ground, I can pretty much assure you it won’t rest on his hiring of Brian Ferentz.

Look, he recruited all his sons. They all came. They like dad and vice versa. Get over it. This is how it is going to be.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 21, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

Nepotism isn’t any better for a small business than it is for a big one; it’s just that it’s more acceptable since it doesn’t normally involve a breach of fiduciary responsibility.

by taliesin on Feb 21, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Nepotism is only bad

if they kid sucks at the job. If Brian weren’t Kirk’s son, he is probably another good but not great player who didn’t make the cut for the NFL and is now selling insurance. Instead, he had connections to get into coaching and so far appears to be pretty good at it.

There are lots of people who are very successful that used family connections to climb the ladder. Let’s let Brian show us what he’s got.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

So did

Eric Mangini
Charlie Weis
Al Groh
Josh McDaniels

How’s that working out?

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I was going to post the same

but then I figured that some of these Belichick coaching tree branches haven’t had enough time to see how they work out.

And those mentioned were all hired to be head coaches after leaving the nest – not assistants or coordinators.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 21, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

What you said.

Is much more articulate than my blah blah blah, but I couldn’t find the words.

by hawkinsandmelrose on Feb 21, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

The formatting of this post is too sexy for a discussion of coaching choices.

Please take this elsewhere.

You gonna line up with a dead man, Jimbo?

by hkobb7 on Feb 21, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

This is the best defense I have read. Bravo.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Feb 21, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's please not pretend this is an exhaustive list

and that you somehow laid out the entire debate here. There are cons that are “established facts;” you just chose not to list them.

meh

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions  

exhaustive is over-rated

I’ll take succinct any day.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Feb 21, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

succint leads to selected additions and omissions.

And by necessity, bias.

I prefer to make up my own mind (as much as possible) on things, not another’s distilled perspective.

I can summarize the theme of The Godfather rather succinctly and say, “It’s about crime.” but that’s hardly giving you a fair picture of the saga, is it?

meh

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2012 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

This actually sorta happened to me a couple weeks ago.

I had yet to start really getting into “The Wire,” and after watching the first two episodes or so, my wife was asking her brother if he’d seen it and whether it was any good and if she should bother catching up and watching it too, etc, etc. Her brother shrugged and said, “Eh, it’s a cop show.”

I just finished season 3 today.


"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion - however satisfying and reassuring."

by Bucketochicken on Feb 21, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Now look who's oversimplifying.

You know that’s not what I meant. “Succint” is not a synonym of “curt”.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Feb 22, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Woah, tyger. Feisty today

No problem. You have a different opinion that includes more cons. That’s fine, but I’m curious what they are.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 21, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

There's more pros, too.

e.g. Is a coach’s son.

As far as that goes, how is “is a coach’s son” a guess and not an established fact? As well as, how is it that “is young?”* a guess and not a fact

*as well as everything that you would probably include under this so as to not let the list get too long? Where is “lack of experience”, “lack of coaching an offensive line,” “never coached college”, never recruited, etc. Those are all things I’d add on.

Shit, though, “is young” is quite a meaningless con (and only to briefly mention that you seem to offer an argument against it but nothing else on the list) since it could be a positive, too. More energy in recruiting, can relate better to the kids, etc.

As I said, it’s just a short and biased list. But a lot people rec’d it, so that’s what the masses want, I s’pose.

meh

by tyger1147 on Feb 22, 2012 2:00 AM CST up reply actions  

I was kind of using the main gyst of what is being most talked about

The coach’s son thing is a Con because of the perceived nepotism. Regarding youth, you’re making my point.

Who is the perfect Iowa O-line coach candidate? Reese Morgan? (who the hell hires a high school coach for a B1G program? ;)

Has Brian Ferentz shown enough yet to be a sexy selection? No. But that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the goods.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 22, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Sure
But that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the goods.

but when you make up for that lack of performance with a last name, you enter some dangerous territory.

Just because nepotism doesn’t always end badly, there were a few good Kings/Queens, doesn’t mean that it is generally a poor hiring policy.

Major college football is a good ole boys network and is terribly incestuous. That is fine, but let us not play Candide and pretend that that is the best of all possible worlds.

It is like climbing a high mountain and finding nothing at the top except a restaurant where they sell ginger beer, surrounded by fog but equipped with wireless.

by Lycurgus on Feb 22, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

There is no best of all possible worlds

Ferentz could hire Joe Bugel and half of the media and fanbase would bitch and wonder why we didn’t get somebody younger, or would point out the Redskins line play of the 2000’s versus the 80’s and 90’s.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 22, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

That is true

but at least the hire would not have anything to do with the gene identity of the man’s Y chromosome, which is a poor hiring criterion.

It is like climbing a high mountain and finding nothing at the top except a restaurant where they sell ginger beer, surrounded by fog but equipped with wireless.

by Lycurgus on Feb 22, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

It's the ultimate problem in evaluating talent

these guys “looked” like fantastic coaches working at New England and were thus given “promotions” to other teams (since they couldn’t take over the top spot at NE). It could very well be the Peter Principle in effect.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

And yet somehow so easy for one with no NFL experience.

Or, I would assume, coaching expereince.
What’s your trick?

by hawkinsandmelrose on Feb 21, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

How articulate

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I love it when someone says, on this message board, that someone is posting condescending bullshit.

The irony and or contradictory nature of that comment is almost as absurd as my own.

by hawkinsandmelrose on Feb 21, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Really?

I asked you not to behave like a tool. If you want to be an internet tough guy, go elsewhere.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 22, 2012 1:15 AM CST up reply actions  

"Blah blah blah" isn't absurd, it's childish and lazy.

We’d be more than happy to provide a list of other Iowa websites where you’d feel more at home if that’s what you feel like bringing to a community.

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Feb 22, 2012 1:35 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I hope Brian is good at coaching

but he only has one year of experience doing it. I just think it’s a little early to be handing him the keys to the castle.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Luckily that hasn't happened

He only has the keys to a couple rooms in one wing of the castle.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

BUT HE'S ALREADY PLANNING MAJOR RENOVATIONS!!!!!!!!!!

I keed.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I expect he will be groomed under the new guy

and effectively co-calling plays within a couple of years. Soup, I don’t think, was calling plays with KOK. Maybe he was. But I kind of doubt it. I’m not sure what the deal is with Soup, but I have a sense he’s not getting lots of calls to be an OC or HC. I’m not sure on his personal life either (whether he’s raising a family and trying to hunker down) and how that might factor into his aggressiveness on the job market.

I think Kirk think’s he is two or three years away from another run. I don’t know if he thinks Soup will get him to the mountaintop.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 21, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

This is important

There are two things that nobody on this staff has ever done: Coach quarterbacks and call offensive plays. The guy they hire had better have experience doing both, even if he doesn’t take the OC spot. It’s why the Tom Moore fantasy scenario (coach QB’s and help Soup better understand playcalling for a couple of years) makes so much sense.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Feb 21, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Also, maybe B.F. came back from New England with new ideas.

The cynic in me says: Let Davis take the heat when the switch is not seamless; let Brian have at it once the they have a senior class of new offensive recruits

meh

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

When was the last time a team won the B1G running a spread offense?

So if by “working” in the B1G you mean winning 7-9 games and going to a Jan 1 bowl game he’s proven he can do that playing pro style and 4-3 defense.

*I don’t consider 2009 OSU a spread team as it seemed to me to be a pro style with TP run as the second or third read on passing plays.

by PackerHawk on Feb 21, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

The 06 OSU juggernaut was pretty spread-y.

The Spread HD famously took PSU to glory once or twice, too.

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by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh

I don’t consider the Spread HD very spread-y. I’ve thought it was a misnomer for years. Also, both of those offenses had tremendous defenses. It’s not like you can win the B1G with a 80th ranked defense and a super duper spread offense.

Still, even with 06 OSU and the Clark era PSU, prostyle teams have won more B1G titles in the last 10 years than spread teams. Maybe 2000 OMHR was the last real spread-y offense IMO.

by PackerHawk on Feb 21, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be my guess as well

2000 OMHR

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by Nickhawk08 on Feb 21, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

The glory of Mons Venus and Tampa Bay?

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by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

If I've read everything correctly

It probably won’t be Soup. But, it very well could be Moore or Davis.

Either one of these guys would be a coup. Especially, in the recruiting arena.

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by FiveSecondRuleChef on Feb 21, 2012 9:49 AM CST reply actions  

My initial reaction to the Greg Davis news was instant revulsion.

I remembered the litany of grievances about him I’d seen from Texas fans. And as my roommate is a UT alum, I remembered watching a lot of Texas games over the last five years. And that 2010 offense was absolutely ghastly. Think 2007 Iowa, only worse and with the sort of talent (on paper, at least) that we dream about landing in recruiting.

But he also ran some very good offenses at Texas, some I give him a lot of credit for (the McCoy years) and some I give him a lot less credit for (the VY years). The offense was simplified to the point of a children’s book under VY, but it didn’t matter because when you have one of the biggest superfreak athletes of the last 30 years in CFB — and you can back him with a strong defense and give him some talented playmakers to work with at RB (Ced Benson) and WR (Roy Williams) it doesn’t matter if your playbook is shorter than a Denny’s menu. All you really need to do there is stay out of VY’s way.

But Major Applewhite was not a big-time recruit. Nor was Colt McCoy (he was a 3* recruit, no more highly thought of than several of Iowa’s QB recruits under KF/KOK). And Davis developed them very well and devised some highly effective offenses with them. That ‘08 Texas offense was indeed pretty wondrous (assuming you don’t instantly revile the spread and if you do — grow up) and it was that way even though guys like McCoy or Jordan Shipley were mega-recruits (though Shipley was a 4*, so he wasn’t exactly chopped liver). But those Texas offenses (especially the McCoy ones) were pretty different than what KF has favored at Iowa thus far: lots and lots of short and intermediate passes — dink and dunk ball to a T. Under Iowa and KF/KOK, Iowa has been far more aggressive about throwing the ball downfield. So that would be a pretty big change.

And the running game at Texas absolutely dropped off a cliff during Davis’ tenure. Young and McCoy were their leading rushers for a few years (can you say: “things that will never happen at Iowa under KF”?) and after a Jamaal Charles explosion in 2007, they didn’t have a single running back run for even 700 yards in Davis’ final three years. They’ve had some vengeful deity problems of their own (again, with a roommate who follows Texas closely, I’ve wound up paying a lot more attention to UT over the past few years), but a lot of was an inability to stick to the run or devise effective gameplans involving the running game.

Recruiting would be a definite plus to a Davis hire, since he should still have excellent connections in Texas and Louisiana. Even if we’re just talking the third and fourth choice kids down there, well, it’s still Texas HS football: they’re bigger and better than y’all. Given that we’re losing an effective recruiter in the east (an area that may get even harder to recruit now with Urbz/Hoke/Dantonio ramping up efforts), opening up a pipeline to such a fertile area isn’t something to sniff at.

So I find myself with mixed emotions about this idea. On the other hand, I don’t think any offensive wunderkinds are beating down our door* for this job unless Soup really is a star in the making. (Maybe, maybe not.) So we could do a lot worse than this and he would be an enormous potential gain in recruiting.

*Truthfully, my dream hire would be someone like Paul Chryst (former Wisco OC/current Pitt HC) or David Shaw (former Stanford OC/current Stanford HC). Or rather — the guys they were when Bielema and Harbaugh found them and made them OCs. Young, hungry guys who run pro-style schemes with a dash of innovation and devastatingly good results. Unfortunately, if I knew where to find guys like that, I’d probably work for a coaching search firm…

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by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 10:00 AM CST reply actions  

If Iowa landed a VY or Cam Newton style QB

it’s hard saying what would happen. We’ll never know because I really don’t see KF saying “yes, let’s go after one of those”.

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by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

No

KF seems pretty realistic about who we can land, and only goes after them. Iowa is the kind of school that attracts freaks of nature. Also, he isn’t looking to run the kind of offense that truly benefits from players with their skill sets. He wants a pro-style guy who can throw and only runs when he absolutely has to.

If one of them called up and say “hey, I wanna be a Hawkeye”, I doubt they would be turned away, but that isn’t going to happen either.

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by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

If Davis is hired, that gives KF the freedom to say, "Look what my OC did with Vince Young"

Of course, this is assuming that Davis feels that he can improve the offense with a spread type QB. If that is the case, I believe Iowa would offer both type of QB and see which works out best once they get to campus.

by The Mexican't on Feb 21, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

He could have said "Look at what my OC did with Brad Banks" until recently.

There are a lot more Brad Bankseses in the world than Vince Youngs.

Just sayin.

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by codenameduchess on Feb 21, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure you're right about that

But the kids who think they’re the next Vince Young are probably not coming to Iowa regardless. Maybe they would for a different OC and offensive style, but I’m not going to get my hopes up.

I am drunk.., or I wouldn't be talking to you.

by codenameduchess on Feb 21, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't mean to imply you were. And you're probably correct regardless.

I have no idea how 16-18 year old kids think anymore, but when I was that age I think I would have been sold on Brad Banks’ story and the ability of the coaches to elevate him rather than Vince Young’s story and the ability of his coaches to just get out of his way.

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by codenameduchess on Feb 21, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

But wasn't that supposed to be Derby?

A large athletic qb with more upside running a spread option instead of pro-style.

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by three and out the kok story on Feb 21, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

As I Recall

Iowa was the only school that would give Derby an honest shot at playing QB. I’m sure they did and they decided that he wasn’t the best kid on the roster for that spot. That would seem to indicate that Mr. Derby did not possess the same potential as Young or Newton.

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by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe

but remember, VY was a trainwreck as a passer in his first couple years, so Texas went shotgun spread option. There’s not a snowball’s chance in hell Iowa would do that to take advantage of a quarterback who could run but couldn’t throw. It’s why Marvin McNutt played wide receiver and A.J. Derby is playing somewhere else.

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by Patrick Vint on Feb 21, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

the smartest thing Greg Davis ever did was realize what he had in Vince Young and change his offense. I’m not sure an KOK ever had the same oppurtunity.

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by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Brad Banks

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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 21, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

admittedly

I wasn’t following Iowa football when Brad Banks was under center. Just looking at the stats though, VY had a much higher ratio of rushing yrds to passing yrds, than Banks did.

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by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not a VY to Banks comparison

The questions is could KOK adapt, and I think the 2002 season, as well as the original Runningbackpocalypse of 2004 proved that he could. Or more likely that he was occasionally ALLOWED to if circumstances were dire.

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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 21, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, good point.

I have always wondered though how long of leash KOK had under Ferentz. Just going on appearances it always seemed that Davis had a much longer one under Brown had much more freedom from his head coach.

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by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

He adapted all the way up until the Orange Bowl

and then they kept Banks in the pocket the whole game trying to see if he could out-qb Palmer.

It is like climbing a high mountain and finding nothing at the top except a restaurant where they sell ginger beer, surrounded by fog but equipped with wireless.

by Lycurgus on Feb 21, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

answer: he couldn't

But I think there were a lot of problems in that game on both sides of the ball.

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by therealCatnuts on Feb 21, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought the problems in that game were on the other side of the ball. Fucking USC

by txhawkeye on Feb 21, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I've always thought

that Arvell getting bounced was the catalyst for McNutt converting to WR. WITH Arvell, Iowa has a guy that was rather highly-rated/hyped as a recruit and may have caused KOK to alter the playbook to a more Brad Banks-esque dual-threat QB type offense. And McNutt might have been groomed to be the natural successor to that offense. With Arvell gone, McNutt is suddenly the lone “athletic” QB in a room full of traditional, pro-style dropback passers thus making a position change inevitable.

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by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure...

If only because at that time we were dreaming about the heights we were going to scale with three years of JC6 as starting QB.

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by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Buetjer is the Futjure

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by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Wasn't Arvell redshirting in 2007?

So that he wouldn’t have been available anyways. If so, he would have been only a RS FR in Jake’s junior season and a sophomore in the senior season (at which point JC6 might have been out of a job anyway).

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok

thanks for the info. Couldn’t remember exactly. And this was back when I got what little info I had on the inner-workings of the team from “sources” like Hawkeye Nation.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

That's true, but landing a guy like that seems utterly unlikely for us.

KF would have to be able to sell a guy like that on the belief that he really is willing to completely overhaul his offense to suit Player X’s needs, despite 12 years (and counting) of evidence to the contrary. That’s gotta be a tough sell.

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by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I just saw your next prank-call post in that response.

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by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

They'd make VY or Newton one kick-ass free safety.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Feb 21, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I want to reply "Brad Banks" to this

But then you would reply AJ Derby, Marvin McNutt, etc… and I would take my ball and go home.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 21, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Did it anyway

Because KF wins 2/3 here, at least. Banks was a kickass QB. McNutt is now the greatest WR in school history. Who knows what Derby could have become.

by Hawkeyes on Feb 21, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

He'd be playing WR.

/Marvin McNutt

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by WaterlooChazz on Feb 21, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

KOK Part Deux!

“He had a maddening tendency to be too complicated when it was time to be simple and too simple when we needed some wrinkles.”

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 21, 2012 10:12 AM CST reply actions  

I do think he would be KOK with a bigger belt buckle in a lot of ways...

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by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

If (when?) he is hired,

his nickname should be KOKTX.


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by Bucketochicken on Feb 21, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Texas scoring offense nationally under Davis

UT Scoring Offense National Ranking

1999 – #13
2000 – #8
2001 -#6
2002 – #16
2003 – #6
2004 – #12
2005 – #1
2006 – #6
2007 – #14
2008 – #5
2009 – #3
2010 – #88

by H I McDonnough on Feb 21, 2012 10:30 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

You mean like the shutdown Big Ten defenses

of Indiana, jNW and Minnesota? Any way you slice it, Iowa should have been scoring a lot more points than we have

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by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah but,

they lost to Oklahoma a lot. Which is kinda like losing to Northwestern a lot if jNW was really, really, really a lot better than they ever will be.

I think this Davis would be a great choice. I’m keeping in mind that he did what he did with Texas talent, but I’m also keeping in mind that no other Texas coaching staff has ever had that level of success. 2010 I can ignore because, shit happens.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

To be clear, 2010 was the nadir, but Texas fans disliked him a lot prior to that point, too.

Whether that can swept aside as just the usual grumbling from fans… I’m not sure.

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by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Also, to be fair, and it was Texas, but Texas didn’t have a disturbing habit of losing to shit teams they were supposed to ass kick. They ass kicked them. So, there’s that.

by txhawkeye on Feb 21, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

yes, going 0-5 against OU from 2000-2005

was awful, but OU was also awesome during those years.

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by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

There is a logic to the candidate list

1) Soup is the in-house candidate, the up-and-comer who’s earned a chance to call plays. He knows the playbook and the strengths and weaknesses of the offensive talent. Ken to Soup would be a smooth transition.

2) Moore is the NFL lifer. He can re-tool Iowa’s playbook, in the process producing more yards. points and — we hope — victories. If anything, QB development should improve under his direction. He also takes the role of consigliere, which Kirk seems to value (See: Parker, Norm).

3) Davis is Texas Guy, he strengthens Iowa’s recruiting efforts in one of football’s deepest wells of talent. He’s not unfamiliar with the big-game environment.

4) Mystery guy? Got nothin.

My prediction? Dunno. Love the notion of Moore calling plays, but, as Pat said, HE PLAYED FOR EVY! I see him as QB coach at best. Soooo? Campbell. Curious who.Mystery Guy is.

Das Stochern gewinnt.

by Blackheartnopants on Feb 21, 2012 10:41 AM CST via Android app reply actions  

I thought we had clearly figured out that the mystery candidate was Peyton Manning?

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by WaterlooChazz on Feb 21, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Close

it’s Cooper

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by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I know this is going out on a limb here...

But the biggest surprise so far in the coaching hires has been Morgan going to the D Line. Why would there be TWO surprises? (Assuming that Morgan going to D Line is able to be called a big surprise).

We all knew Phil was the DC.
We all knew Ferentz, Brian was going to coac the O Line after Morgan went to D Line.
We all knew that when Morgan went to D Line, Woods was going to be LB coach.
Erik Campbell is the OC and WR coach.

Just because someone is intereviewd, it only means they applied for the job. Nothing more. This is a job search, and there are procedures and policies that have to be followed per University of Iowa.

Raise your hand if you’ve ever applied for a job, interviewed, and did not get the job only to find out there was an internal promotion. Happens all the time.

by hawkinsandmelrose on Feb 21, 2012 10:41 AM CST reply actions  

Oh sure

Hand up

Das Stochern gewinnt.

by Blackheartnopants on Feb 21, 2012 12:55 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Yeah, this is pretty common practice

And here’s a direct example. My husband is getting a promotion at work. However, he was told he needed to apply for the job (and the job is being posted), basically following HR procedures. They told him not to worry about it though, because at the end of the day they’d rather have someone with knowledge of the company and experience in working in the company and doing what he’ll be doing then someone that, although they may be qualified, they haven’t worked for the company and don’t bring that kind of experience.

by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 21, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Bring me your finest Brad Banks'!

I want better Florida recruiting pipeline (no offense to Jake Ruddock)

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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 21, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Jake Ruddock, is aptly named to be a star QB

and so, with that, I am banking on it happening. Steele Jantz was not, and it bore out. I trust these things.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 21, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

If you name your kid Steele you are either banking on famous rock star or famous athlete.

If those two are givens, then why go to Iowa State? To follow in the long line of rock stars and NFL players?

by hawkinsandmelrose on Feb 21, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Or porn star.

I hear there is some serious cash in porn game.

I am drunk.., or I wouldn't be talking to you.

by codenameduchess on Feb 21, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Meant to include:

Not exactly a hot bed for talent. 5:1 ratio of men to women. Who knows what the ratio of animals to women is.

by hawkinsandmelrose on Feb 21, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

But the chicks are waaay easier in Ames.

Relative to Iowa City, anyway. At least they were in the late 90’s-early aughts.

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by codenameduchess on Feb 21, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

ghey pornz?

agriculturally themed ghey pornz?

by HawkeyeRecon on Feb 21, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Careful.

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Feb 21, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I've only attended one Iowa/ISU football game, in 2002

I’m not opposed to more Brad Banks, but that will always stick out especially strongly as part of his legacy in my mind. But I have hopes for that Ruddock kid. Keep in mind I also had hopes for that Weinke kid, but he may yet make a glorious punter.

by Luke Recker No-Look Pass on Feb 21, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Went to Iowa, Live in Austin, have UT season tickets

Ohgodno ohgodno ohgodno ohgodno!!!!!!

Important to note when looking at those scoring numbers that you’re talking about Texas talent (It’s the Longhorns and Mack Brown is charming enough to be President — they basically have their pick of the deepest recruiting pool in the country) playing against Arena XII defenses.

The pit in my stomach aches, and I’m getting heartburn. I can’t watch more Greg Davis offense, especially without 5* players in the skill positions.

by George Washington Eagleclaw on Feb 21, 2012 11:26 AM CST reply actions  

Your screen name is full of win.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Feb 21, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

From a Ricky Stanzi post

A comment near the top…maybe the Real American video. Just stole it from one of the regulars (Mexican’t, maybe)

by George Washington Eagleclaw on Feb 21, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know how someone didn't say that before

Yeah, the stats look great when you’re playing with the most talented teams in the nation.

by mikjones24 on Feb 21, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

The chips may not fall your way every year, but the pool they start from and have local access to is better than anyone else in the country. They start with a leg up…what happens from there doesn’t always bear that out, obviously.

Greg Davis would be a fine QB coach just about anywhere, but Davis pisses people off (at least in the last few years, and this has included when they’ve been national championship contenders)* KOK always just seemed more…annoying? I don’t know, I just don’t think the fan base was nearly as frustrated with Ken as Texas’ was with Davis.

*I was at Iowa cursing the name of John Navarre during Texas’ last MNC run so I’ve only seen the last 4, 5 seasons of UT football up close and personal, but I’d followed them casually for a decade before.

by George Washington Eagleclaw on Feb 21, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

It's also the difference between Texas fans and Iowa fans

We’re more reserved up north.

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by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

The difference is,

Texas fans get pissed when they don’t win the national championship, let alone go to the BCS game. We get pissed about leaving 90 seconds on the board in the first half, or when we don’t win 8 games. The tolerance level and expectations might be a little different. And, I agree, fuck John Navarre.

Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.

by Give Eddie a Beer on Feb 21, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

John Navarre only went 1-2 against Iowa, actually.

He was the QB when Iowa obliterated them in the Big House in 2002 and when Nathan Chandler and Razor Ramon Ochoa made us all weep tears of joy in 2003.

That said, he was also the QB in 2001 when they (and by they I mean Marquis Walker and seriously fuck that guy and the horse he rode in on) ripped out our hearts and shat on them.

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by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

That's true. But he still played for Michigan.

And all their QB’s piss me off, especially Chad Henne, who always had a stupid smile-like thing, like the sun was always in his eyes. More annoying than Dessert Fox chomping on his mouthguard. And fuck Elvis Grbac because he was horrible when he played for the Chiefs. Ah well, thanks for the 2-1 Navarre, you ass hole.

Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.

by Give Eddie a Beer on Feb 21, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Man I had a brain fart

It was Henne I was thinking of. Screwed up my generic Michigan quarterbacks but will always have that QB sneak in OT at Kinnick stuck in my head.

by George Washington Eagleclaw on Feb 21, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I tend to confuse Henne and Henson.

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by WaterlooChazz on Feb 21, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I dislike Henne (and whoever was before Navarre -- Brady? Henson? Griese Jr?) a lot more than Navarre.

Mostly because were able to get our licks in on Navarre. (Er…)

Plus, as much as that 01 loss to Michigan at Kinnick rankles (seriously, FUCK YOU MARQUISE WALKER), that 05 loss to them at Kinnick burns way, way, way more.

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by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

There aren't many games that upset me more than Michigan '05.

At least that I can think of. Western Michigan was hilariously disgusting, but Michigan ’05 was infuriating. Right up there with The Outback bowl.

Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.

by Give Eddie a Beer on Feb 21, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep yep yep.

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by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

No, he should and did

But if he comes to Iowa and has 2*, 3* and the occasional 4* players to work with, the deficiencies in his schemes and playcalling will be magnified even more than when Texas’ 5* players were inexperienced and the offense sputtered mightily.

by George Washington Eagleclaw on Feb 21, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

It seemed to me that so much of the Greg Davis resentment

was knee-jerk reactions. Yes UT has mountains of resources, but expected them to win threeve national titles a decade is ridiculous. especially when you consider just how good the big 12 was during the 00’s

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by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

A key question, that has never been satisfactorily answered

is who was doing the talent evaluation for Texas in the latter half of the decade. I remember reading a number of articles a few years ago (before Texas’ swoon over the past two seasons) about how Texas routinely has their recruitment class for the next year 2/3 or 3/4 full by their Junior Day. They get the highest rated talent, but that is junior-year talent and doesn’t take into account how the develop (or fail to) during their senior years (as a point of comparison, I believe Rodney Coe was a projected 5* as a junior, but slid down a bit as he got bigger and had a less impressive senior year). Granted, a lot of Texas’ talent retains those lofty rankings, but the downside is that they have a larger share of kids who stop developing and have plateaued. In other words, too many High School all-stars who never get that much better.

Back to my original point, there is a question of who is responsible for identifying that talent. If it was Brown/some other coach, well then Davis’ shortcomings can partly be explained by his not having the depth of talent that he was projected to have. But if responsibility for the talent evaluations largely rests with Davis, then it is another red flag as it raises real questions about his ability to accurately judge talent and coach-up that talent.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

According to some Texas fans, that's precisely why they've stopped filling 2/3 of their classes up at Junior Day in January.

It made their job easier, but the results were, well, we’ve seen what the results have been the last few years: ugly. They seem to have embraced a more selective model this year and are taking longer to evaluate prospects.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh.

If Bama and LSU could each win a couple, Texas probably should be able to win two.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Feb 21, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Bama got lucky against TX

McCoy would have ripped them apart.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

disagree

it might have been closer but he was getting pummeled

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 21, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Great point about Big 12 defense (or lack there of).

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Feb 21, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Big 12 in the 00's

Texas and OU, routinely in the top ten. TTU, OSU, usually in the top 20. I might be a little biased because I was a big 12 fan during this period, but the conference was really really good.

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by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't the B1G also consistently have two top 10 teams and at least 2 more in the top 20?

tOSU was usually top 5, and then Michigan, PSU, IA, and WI rotated into the top 10 to join them for a year or two. Then those three would rotate down into the top 20 along with MSU.

by PackerHawk on Feb 22, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

For what (little) it's worth

I don’t think it will be Davis. Or that Tom Moore will be brought on. Instead, Kirk will drag this out until 3 days prior to Spring Practice then announce that Erb/Campbell are being promoted and David Raih being made QB coach. By that point, everyone will be so sick of discussing it/waiting for the announcement, that the general feeling will be be one of apathy. You know, like the Phil Parker promotion.

All the while, Kirk will be laughing manically in his office about how he has sent the fanbase into a tizzy with a bunch of outside names that never had a shot. Well played, you magnificent bastard, well played

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 12:26 PM CST reply actions  

this

kirk ferentz equals master interest troll

impossible is nothing

by RGates on Feb 21, 2012 12:36 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

*internet

impossible is nothing

by RGates on Feb 21, 2012 12:36 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I'd invest my trollin' bucks with Kirk.

"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta

by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 21, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

He's the sort of interest troll

that Rhoads and Chizik only wish they could be.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Feb 21, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Hiring Davis...

After this drawn out process, then going out at beating Texas in the BCS title game would be the untimate troll.

Das Stochern gewinnt.

by Blackheartnopants on Feb 21, 2012 12:58 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Untimacy is the opposite of intimacy, right?

Sounds downright Ferentzian.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

untimacy, brought to you by facebook.

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by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

See, now now you two have taken untimacy...

Something beautiful and loving, and made it unseemly.

Das Stochern gewinnt.

by Blackheartnopants on Feb 21, 2012 1:29 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Wouldn't it be outimacy?


"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion - however satisfying and reassuring."

by Bucketochicken on Feb 21, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

this has been my biggest fear all along

the whole concept of changing as little as possible and shuffling the deck when presented with the opportunity we’ve been presented with…it scares me so much because it’s so likely.

Son of a bitch, I'm sick of these dolphins.
@keepitupguys

by sailorjerry on Feb 21, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

What a helpful solution

I hope you deliver that message to every person that comprises the “fanbase” personally.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is easier to do if you don't have to wait 6 weeks for the promotion of a current staff-member.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Feb 21, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

-and-a-half months of waiting

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not that cynical.

Or maybe I am. I think he’s less loyal down than what he expects coming up. He may have interviewed P. Parker first (for whatever good that achieved after coaching together for so long], but I think he genuinely sought an outside replacement initially and settled Parker.

Maybe he didn’t have a pre-deceived notion of who to replace KOK (if only because it wasn’t as expected), but if he thought Campbell was the best man for the job, I think he’d have it already. It doesn’t mean he won’t have it eventually, though, too.

meh

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2012 8:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Born and Raised in Austin, Texas

only moved this august (when I enrolled here at Iowa) and I never understood the hated Texas fans had for Greg Davis. I never considered myself a longhorn (my dad went to Texas Tech) but growing up in austin it was impossible not to follow them. Davis is and was the most successful OC in Texas History. Ricky Williams (in his last season), VY, Colt, Simms, Roy Williams, Major Applewhite, and the forgotten but not awful, Chance Mock all played and developed under him. He was ultimately good at his job and was a success. Two Rose bowls, two heisman trophy finalist and a national title. These were not the doing of Mack Brown alone.

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by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 12:30 PM CST reply actions  

"These were not the doing of Mack Brown alone."

Exactly. Tim Brewster was obviously the architect.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 21, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

HAHA

I totally forgot about that.

Fresh since 1822

by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Architect? Nay. Brewster The Creator.

Odd Future Gopher Gang Try Best Win

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Feb 21, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Brewster's tweets were actually less coherent than Tyler the Creator's raps, I think.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

So much excellence

Rec’d by phone

Das Stochern gewinnt.

by Blackheartnopants on Feb 21, 2012 1:07 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Now that is a BHGP quality 'shop.

BRAVO, GOOD SIR. BRAVO.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

but there is a reason Muschamp, chizik, and brewster

all eventually became head coaches. They are (were) very talented people.

Fresh since 1822

by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

meh,

I’m killing time between classes.

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by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

How did you end up at Iowa? Just curious.

"I mean, are they going to poop their pants or are they going to get tough?" ~Tom Brands

by Hawkeyegirl on Feb 21, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Want a school that had big football and a big english department.

plus my brother got his Ph.D here, so it was a pretty obvious choice.

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by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

What's the difference between big english and regular english?

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

-he asked the commenter from Texas

Son of a bitch, I'm sick of these dolphins.
@keepitupguys

by sailorjerry on Feb 21, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

popularity among students?

man, the English department at UI has changed since I graduated…

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is sad

it’ made the playoffs three times in five years.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Sure, but it can't get out of the first round

FIRE THE DEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

well, the writers workshop is pretty famous

and the people in the workshop end up teaching alot of classes. I’ve met a good number of people who are out of staters who choose Iowa for its undergraduate English program.

Fresh since 1822

by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Sigh, how I wish I would've stuck to my initial thoughts out of high school

and pursued an English major at Iowa instead of doing a double business major.

by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 21, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

enjoy getting a job after graduation though

cuz i sure won’t. at least thats what they tell me.

Fresh since 1822

by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I graduated in '04 and it took about 7 months to get a job (after the first one didn't pan out)

I’ve had the same job since (with some promotions), but yeah, I think I’d be freaking out about getting a job now with ANY major.

by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 21, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Speaking as someone who has attempted to navigate the waters of the Employment Ocean with an English degreee..

You really shouldn’t wish that.

I enjoyed my English major (and especially several of the profs I worked with/learned from), but I would much rather have a more functional degree. Or at least a functional degree along WITH my English degree.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I do, in large part because of that English degree.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

the only way I could convince my dad

to pay for an english degree was if I promised to go to law school. so…. yeah.

Fresh since 1822

by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

What is it with lawyers and sports blogs?

seems like every (decent) one I’ve ever spent time on has a large contingent of lawyers. Very odd.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

In my experience...

lawyers either have a lot of time to kill or want to delay doing something.

Also: billable hours, yo. (Of course lawyers would never bill for time that wasn’t spent on proper legal things. That would be unethical.)

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I asked my uncle (blogger and attorney)

the same question and he told me, most attorneys are skilled writers and have an interest in writing, so it just naturally leads to blogging.

Fresh since 1822

by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

That too.

Lawyers (most, but definitely not all) tend to be good at writing, which helps. More importantly, they love to argue (hence: lawyering!) and are pretty good at constructing arguments — which is pretty much the stock-in-trade of blogging, too.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

When I lived in MN

I got to know an attorney who was also a state senator. He is now a judge in our neck o’ the woods.

So I ever get in trouble in Rice County, I’m hooked up.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Lucky.

No one else gets to go against the grain there.


"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion - however satisfying and reassuring."

by Bucketochicken on Feb 21, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

As a scientist

We like to collect repeatable data before we make a decision. So far here’s what I got: 4-3 Cover 2, Chaney = end around, and Ferentz is master troll. Now, only one is for sure.

by RH's Bookie on Feb 22, 2012 8:12 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Rec'd so hard.

"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta

by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 21, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd say that for any post graduate education

don’t use grad school as a placeholder for life.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 21, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Learned it the hard way. At least I wanted the master’s the years towards the PhD were a waste of time that I’ll be repaying for a long time.

by PackerHawk on Feb 21, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I often regret my degree

Not a lot of jobs available for evolutionary biologists right now either. I am thinking of applying to the MPP program at Princeton. Not that I will get in, but I want to expand my career options. I thought about law school, but I don’t want to be a nerd.

It is like climbing a high mountain and finding nothing at the top except a restaurant where they sell ginger beer, surrounded by fog but equipped with wireless.

by Lycurgus on Feb 21, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, Ly

You are an evolutionary biologist with an Alaskan tree fetish.

Nerd? Too late.

Das Stochern gewinnt.

by Blackheartnopants on Feb 21, 2012 3:39 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I do not like trees so much

I am more of a tundra person. Try telling me there is anything nerdy about braving the harsh arctic environment, including awesome bears and wolverines, to track and capture elusive, diminutive plants to determine their ancient and mysterious origins.

It is like climbing a high mountain and finding nothing at the top except a restaurant where they sell ginger beer, surrounded by fog but equipped with wireless.

by Lycurgus on Feb 21, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Survivornerd

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Indiana Jones nerd

It is like climbing a high mountain and finding nothing at the top except a restaurant where they sell ginger beer, surrounded by fog but equipped with wireless.

by Lycurgus on Feb 21, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I love Indiana Jones movies

well, all but the unfortunate latest one anyway. Anytime there is an Indiana Jones marathon on TV (or really, even if it’s just one movie), I watch it. And they’ve been doing that a lot lately. Just watched The Last Crusade and Temple of Doom again for the xxth time.

by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 21, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

How about

Roald Amundsen?

It is like climbing a high mountain and finding nothing at the top except a restaurant where they sell ginger beer, surrounded by fog but equipped with wireless.

by Lycurgus on Feb 21, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Your choice

Just don’t turn into Percy Fawcett.

Das Stochern gewinnt.

by Blackheartnopants on Feb 21, 2012 4:01 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

But...but

When I look at their DNA I learn how they are related. What is nerdy about that?

It is like climbing a high mountain and finding nothing at the top except a restaurant where they sell ginger beer, surrounded by fog but equipped with wireless.

by Lycurgus on Feb 21, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I like to stick to one simple rule.

If I don’t understand it, then it’s nerdy.

by The Mexican't on Feb 21, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

When I am your sidekick

you are going to have to explain this joke to me

It is like climbing a high mountain and finding nothing at the top except a restaurant where they sell ginger beer, surrounded by fog but equipped with wireless.

by Lycurgus on Feb 22, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

According to the Mexican't

NOT parking your car on your yard is nerdy.

NOT eating refried beans with every meal is nerdy.

Etc, etc. /THAT’s RACIST!

by PackerHawk on Feb 22, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Evil genius

It is like climbing a high mountain and finding nothing at the top except a restaurant where they sell ginger beer, surrounded by fog but equipped with wireless.

by Lycurgus on Feb 22, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

All bear witness

to the fearsome Wolverine.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

How about South African Puff Adders?

It is like climbing a high mountain and finding nothing at the top except a restaurant where they sell ginger beer, surrounded by fog but equipped with wireless.

by Lycurgus on Feb 21, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I got nothin' for that one

although I once survived an encounter with the North Eastern Puff Daddy which can trace it’s origins to sub-Saharan Africa, making it totally the same thing.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm in favor of this

If only for the reason of pestering you until you agree to meet up to watch an Iowa game. It’s so lonely out here in PSU/Big Five country sometimes.

by PackerHawk on Feb 22, 2012 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Big Five.

Did someone say Philly?

"Beware... there are mine fields out there. Most of them are inert. However, some of them are ert."

by pahawkfan on Feb 22, 2012 10:19 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Yes.

Well, Chester County here. But close enough, right?

"Shh, I don't want this notion that I can be level-headed getting around it will totally ruin my online rep" - HoyaGoon

by PackerHawk on Feb 23, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

so, if you don't mind me asking

Do you regret going to Law school and becoming an Attorney?

Fresh since 1822

by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

To be more precise...

I regret a lot of things about law school: the time, the cost, several of the classes (and classmates).

On the other hand, it also helped me meet several very good friends, which I certainly do not regret.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

well,

this conversation has made me sad. off to my 2:30 Lit discussion.

Fresh since 1822

by kmacsm on Feb 21, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not a lawyer

but it does seem the profession is at the top of the “I wish I had done something else” list. By far.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m not a lawyer, but related to many. Some into it, some not. The common thread seems to be to know what you’re getting in to. Many lawyers want to negotiate the deal as opposed to memorializing it. Not the same thing my friend.

by txhawkeye on Feb 21, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Count me among the lawyers who feel "meh" about their career.

And while I’m not sure what I WOULD do, if I had a time machine, I don’t think it would be law school. Like Ross, other than meeting a few really great people I still consider friends, it’s 3 years I don’t remember terribly fondly.

Because the Gulfstream 5 has neither the airspeed nor the specs to adequately describe how fly I feel.

by DonnyDonovan on Feb 21, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

For me...

it was a great three years, if you don’t consider the actual school part. But, hey, I’m employed and my undergrad degree was in history, so there’s that…

by telepathetic on Feb 21, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

My legal career ended the day I graduated law school.

Loved the flag football, though.

by The Naked Bootleg on Feb 21, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

cosigned

a law school dropout

Son of a bitch, I'm sick of these dolphins.
@keepitupguys

by sailorjerry on Feb 21, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

JDs are what smart people with no appreciable "real" skills get

I know

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I went with the functional

but my heart’s not in it. I guess I shouldn’t really complain, but it’d be nice to like what I do and care about it. I have a pretty good situation going—I work at home, I have very good job stability because I know the company would be totally screwed if I ever left, and I get 7 weeks off a year between PTO (4 weeks), sick days (1 week, usually about 1/2 of which I use as PTO/“sick” days), and holidays (2 weeks). So in that sense I’m fine. I just could really care less about what I do other than it pays me.

by Captain n Diet Coker on Feb 21, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

You know,

there’s a pretty famous coach who had an English degree. I’m trying to recall his name.

Oh yeah, it’s

KIRK FERENTZ!

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Feb 21, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, duh.

I already knew I was qualified to coach the Iowa Hawkeyes.

My EA NCAA FOOTBALL dynasties are LEGENDARY.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

God bless my wife

She sweetly feigns being proud of me when I recount my latest and greatest NCAA 2012 victory and/or mythical National Championship.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 21, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

The Workshop is good, absolutely.

And several of the profs are great.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 21, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Wasn't Applewhite there for a couple of seasons before Mack Brown arrived?

As I remember it, there was a lot of drama because Mack was determined to play his recruit, Chris Simms, rather than Applewhite (who had won the Big XII title for Texas) for no real reason other than Mack didn’t like to play his predecessor’s guy. I only remember because Simms was ridiculously over-hyped, his only real qualification seems to have been that he was Phil’s son, while Applewhite was far from the prototypical QB as far as size goes but, like the Americanzi, he was just a winner

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 21, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Dolph said on Hawk Talk

he knows who the OC is.

and there’s this:

marcmorehouse @marcmorehouse
Start wrapping your heads around Greg Davis.

seriously?

by PSD on Feb 21, 2012 6:17 PM CST reply actions  

I'm starting to...

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 21, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

My only question, if this is true

is what becomes of Soup? Does he bolt next year?

"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass

by chitownhawkeye on Feb 21, 2012 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I get the feeling Soup might want to stick around for a few more years

to see if he can help contribute to putting Iowa back in the top of the conference.

I’d think, if he helped with that, and added to his Michigan years, he might have a shot at a mid-to-lower B10 head coaching position after that. Particularly if he recruits or produces some more awesome WRs.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Feb 21, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Straight from WR coach with no play calling duties

To B1G head coach? I’m having a tough time buying that. Even for Indiana.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Feb 21, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure why play calling duties would be a requirement for a head coach

The successful ones seem to be masters of delegation and system development/adaptation. Now, maybe the B1G feels a need to have coaches with coordinator or HC experience, but I think you can be successful without it. Of course, the bias towards those resumes makes it impossible to find a case of someone in the B1G doing it.

by PackerHawk on Feb 22, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Again

KF never had play calling duties before being named a HC at Maine. And never did again after leaving Maine. Not sure that Soup could go right to the B1G HC spot, but probably at a decent MAC or other mid-major conference team

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 22, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

*4-3 years from now

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Feb 22, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I hope not.

With an under 30 BF also on staff though, it would have to make future opportunities look pretty grim. I dunno. Has there ever been a father/son HC/XC combo? Is this a stop for BF to get experience before going out on his own again? The more I think, the more questions I come up with.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Feb 21, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe Brian Ferentz goes to a MAC school in 4 years to be OC or head coach?

(And then KF hires James to take his place!)

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 21, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

What's an XC?

I’m pretty sure that one of the Bowden’s was a coordinator under Bobby. Kyle Shanahan is OC for his dad (not NCAA, but still).

by PackerHawk on Feb 22, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it depends on how long Davis will be here

2-3 seasons? Maybe Soup sticks around, doubly so if he is given co-coordinator duties (extremely unlikely for KF to do this). Otherwise? He’s gone after next season.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 22, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

We'll see.

I’m with the other folks who question the quality of offers he’s getting. I’m unsure why he would pass on an HC offer to remain WR coach and OC candidate at Iowa. I guess it’s possible he’s getting OC looks at the MAC schools that he was turning down for the potential at IA, but, eh.

by nhradar on Feb 22, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

To-date, this is what I take to be Campbell's job prospects

(1) Lateral moves to other B1G schools, Hoke came sniffing when he was fired at Michigan

(2) Coordinator/possible head coach position at MAC-level schools. He was one of two finalists at E. Michigan when Carr resigned. Ron English got the job. Up to now, a MAC school offering an OC position might not have been attractive enough to lure him away, but they’ll be able to say to Campbell, “You didn’t get the promotion at Iowa when it came up; now Ferentz has brought in his son, what makes you think you’ll ever get promoted?”

As my favorite high school teacher always said, there ain’t no such thing as a free lunch. The cost of hiring an outside OC and bringing in Brian Ferentz will be the loss of Soup. It remains to be seen whether Iowa comes out ahead or behind on the ledger from that transaction.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 22, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

BUT I LIKE MY LUNCH WITH SOUP

Can’t we hire a guy nicknamed Sandwich and have him and Campbell be co-OCs?

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by SomeJerkPoster on Feb 22, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I just don't see the expectation that KOK

would move on significantly before KF on Soup’s part. Norm, sure. Now, maybe he (or erg) doesn’t like the new guy and moves on, sure. Or maybe an offer he would have taken anyway comes up next year. But I think this, much like the extensive philosophizing on BF as OC-in-waiting, is a little too pat given our approximately 0% knowledge of the situation behind the veil.

by nhradar on Feb 22, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

KOK had a national title

wasn’t even mythical

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 22, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

This.

Though it could be said that as OC Davis has a National title, too. And not at the D III level.

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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 22, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Is OC Davis OC Tressell?

Get the best, use a simple scheme, let others not be as good as you.

But if you don’t have the best, don’t you need to insert some variability into the schemes? Like, um… Leach?

meh

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2012 8:28 PM CST reply actions  

Also, what are the rules, re: consultants?

Can they have Tom Moore be a QB/offensive consultant without actually being a coach? Like… maybe he just can’t be anywhere near the coaches during games or something?

Just wondering if anyone knows.

meh

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2012 8:29 PM CST reply actions  

Nine coaches per NCAA rules

Pete Carroll got in some trouble for having “consultants” around the USC program a couple years back. Can’t do it.

seriously?

by PSD on Feb 21, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

If it's anything like basketball, then the consultants can not interact with the athletes.

And, with the administrative assistants and Director of Football Operations, I’d guess there is very little that the NCAA would allow a consultant to do.

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by WaterlooChazz on Feb 21, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Greg Davis

Not sure if this already got posted but for those that want to read it, here’s Scipio’s take over at Barking Carnival, which may or may not have made it in the BHGP RSS reader.

Patrick – we can do a whole podcast on this.

I sincerely wish you guys luck.

by Sailor Ripley on Feb 21, 2012 8:34 PM CST reply actions  

I think Mack

had some general druthers and communicated those to Greg. I don’t think he was calling plays or setting up full gameplans. I think he hired Harsin and washed his hands of it.

by Sailor Ripley on Feb 21, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Much appreciated.

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by therealCatnuts on Feb 22, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow. So 50 points a game is not enough.

Michigan had Tom Brady, and couldn’t figure out if he was worth starting. Davis learned on the fly and adapted and entire program to a high school offense and won a MNC with it against arguably the greatest team in college football history, and he’s dispised as a result. I hate to tell you Texas folks, but I’ve always thought that program overachieved. No team has had more offensive skill players belly up in the pros than Texas. I’ll spin the big prize wheel on the guy.

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by StoopsMyAss on Feb 21, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

50 Points a game is enough vs. Louisiana Directional Tech.

Yet it turns out 3 isn’t enough vs. Oklahoma.

Spin the big wheel, fella. Dude won the Broyles Award and had record setting offenses.

by Sailor Ripley on Feb 21, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I guess my point, and it's not directed at you but at all the Texas grumblers in general,

is that your offense was a Top Ten offense year after year, you won a national championship against a vastly superior foe, you lost one to a vastly superior foe after your QB went down with an injury, you overachieve (IMO) based on your talent on the offensive side of the ball year after year, and people act as if the guy was a total turd. Other than his last year, you lost to OU once since 2004 (once!) and that was to Sam Bradford and after two gruesome turnovers (which is on the players on the OC). I just think the OC you have now seems to me to be far inferior, although that does not mean Davis is great it just means you downgraded IMO.

We’ve had an OC that has had our offense ranked in the middle of the pack in the Big Ten for years, so we are likely only go up regardless of who we hire (although there are no guarantees on that one). But, I think Texas over the next few years may come to realize that Greg Davis was more solution than problem. Until your current coordinator can get you past a one-dimensional Kansas State team that had an absolutely awful defense (at home) you’re likely sitting with inferior coaching talent in the OC spot there.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 22, 2012 7:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Nope
But, I think Texas over the next few years may come to realize that Greg Davis was more solution than problem. Until your current coordinator can get you past a one-dimensional Kansas State team that had an absolutely awful defense (at home) you’re likely sitting with inferior coaching talent in the OC spot there.

I am happy to take this bet, assuming Harsin gets to stick around a while though I could see him getting a head gig somewhere. If you take a close look at what was in the cupboard you’ll realize pretty quickly he did a pretty amazing job.

Apropos of this, a cool article on QB from Cal Golden Blogs.

by Sailor Ripley on Feb 22, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Um
No team has had more offensive skill players belly up in the pros than Texas.

Every USC WR and most of their RBs from the last decade would like to have a word with you.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 22, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Then that suggests that Kiffin, like Davis, was pretty damn good

(as well as Chow of course)

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 22, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait

are you saying that the Texas skill players didn’t do shit in the pros? Because that’s my argument about USC’s skill players. Namely, that they had (1) a tremendous amount of natural ability for the college ranks and (2) played on a team with a truly dominant offensive line (there are a TON of 2000s USC linemen in the NFL) allowing their QBs (Booty, Sanchez, Leinart) to look a lot better than they were and made the WRs look like world beaters as well.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 22, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

He could send him a bus ticket

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by Flakbait on Feb 21, 2012 8:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Amtrak ticket

He’d fit much better in those seats. And then meet him in Mt Pleasant a la Childress/Favre airport meeting.

by PackerHawk on Feb 22, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Question: Was Brian Ferentz already on the plane to Colorado when his hiring was announced?

Or did he have breakfast first?

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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Kirk Bohls says it shall be KOK Part Deux!

https://twitter.com/#!/kbohls/status/172416922711896064

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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 22, 2012 2:53 PM CST reply actions  

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