Take Three: Iowa Wrestling Finishes 3rd at NWCA National Duals
As I noted yesterday, no matter how the last two rounds of the National Duals event shook out, Iowa was guaranteed to see an opponent they'd already faced in both the semifinals and finals (or consolation finals) and there was no guarantee that the rematches would play out the same way as the initial confrontation. Sure enough, Iowa faced Minnesota in the semifinal round and a 19-17 dual meet win three weeks ago became a 16-15 loss yesterday. What accounted for that swing? Iowa's showing at the middle weights. Just like last time, Iowa picked up decision wins from their best wrestlers at 125, 133, and 141 (Minnesota is not an advantageous match-up for Iowa, since they can counter Iowa's three best wrestlers with three very good wrestlers of their own). Just like last time, Iowa lost a major decision at 149 (Jayson Ness may spell his name poorly, but he has Mike Kelly's number). Just like last time, Minnesota controlled the upper weights, winning at 184, 197, and HWT (although their major decision win at 184 was just a decision this time). Unlike last time, though, Iowa was able to reverse the result at 174, turning a loss last time into a win this time. Unfortunately, the other changes went against Iowa: a major decision win at 157 shrunk to a decision win this time and a pin at 165 turned into a decision loss this time around. That was a very costly reversal of fortune that enabled Minnesota to nip Iowa and head to the finals (where they beat a depleted Oklahoma State team).
It was disappointing to lose to Minnesota (it snapped Brands' six-meet winning streak against the Gophers), as it always is to lose to them (in any sport), but it wasn't surprising. They have a strong team, especially in dual meets, with strong balance across all weights, few holes, and the ability to effectively counter Iowa's best weights with very good options of their own. Iowa was fortunate to defeat them three weeks ago, but the cookie crumbled a little differently this time. So it goes. It's a shame, though, because Iowa would have had a good chance to beat the same depleted Oklahoma State squad that Minnesota vanquished in the finals. Instead, they got another crack at Illinois and took out their Gopher-losing frustrations on them with a pretty comprehensive 28-6 drubbing. Iowa lost at just two weights, 149 and 197, picked up a pin from Derek St. John, and largely cruised elsewhere.
#3 Minnesota (13-3) 16, #4 Iowa (13-4) 15
125: #1 Matt McDonough DEC (6-4) #2 Zach Sanders (Iowa 3-0)
133: #3 Tony Ramos DEC (6-1 OT) #8 Chris Dardanes (Iowa 6-0)
141: #5 Montell Marion DEC (6-4 SV) #8 Nick Dardanes (Iowa 9-0)
149: #10 Dylan Ness MAJ DEC (11-2) UN Mike Kelly (Iowa 9-4)
157: UN Derek St. John DEC (6-3) UN Danny Zilverberg (Iowa 12-4)
165: #14 Cody Yohn DEC (5-3 SV) #6 Mike Evans (Iowa 12-7)
174: #8 Ethen Lofthouse DEC (4-3) #5 Logan Storley (Iowa 15-7)
184: #7 Kevin Steinhaus DEC (3-1) UN UN Grant Gambrall (Iowa 15-10)
197: #7 Sonny Yohn DEC (7-4) UN Vinnie Wagner (Iowa 15-13)
HWT: #4 Tony Nelson DEC (2-0) #14 Bobby Telford (Minny 16-15)
#4 Iowa (14-4) 28, #5 Illinois (16-4) 6
125: #1 Matt McDonough DEC (6-3) #6 Jesse Delgado (Iowa 3-0)
133: #3 Tony Ramos DEC (5-2) #4 B.J. Futrell (Iowa 6-0)
141: #5 Montell Marion DEC (6-2) UN Daryl Thomas (Iowa 9-0)
149: #19 Eric Terrazas DEC (3-2) UN Mike Kelly (Iowa 9-3)
157: UN Derek St. John FALL (3:14) UN Jackson Morse (Iowa 15-3)
165: #6 Mike Evans DEC (5-1) #12 Conrad Polz (Iowa 18-3)
174: #8 Ethen Lofthouse DEC (4-2) #9 Jordan Blanton (Iowa 21-3)
184: UN Grant Gambrall DEC (10-2) UN Tony Dellago (Iowa 25-3)
197: #18 Mario Gonzalez DEC (11-6) UN Vinnie Wagner (Iowa 25-6)
HWT: #14 Bobby Telford DEC (5-0) UN Pat Walker (Iowa 28-6)
As far as breaking down the individual performances, let's do it like this...
Guys Who Had Good Weekends
* Matt McDonough; Another weekend, another 2-0 showing. No bonus points, but McD avenged his December loss to Delgado (his only loss this season, meaning that of his four collegiate losses, he's been able to avenge two of them -- he never get second cracks at Indiana's Angel Escobedo or Arizona State's Anthony Robles) in the consolation finals against Illinois and again proved his superiority over longtime rival Zach Sanders of Minnesota in the semifinals. If nothing else, this was excellent practice for Big Tens, since odds are good McD will have to go through one (or both) of them to win a second-straight Big Ten title. Sanders can take heart in the fact this loss was closer than any of their matches since their first meeting two years ago, though; McD and Sanders will probably tangle at least once more this season (and very possibly twice) and there will be a lot more on the line in their next meeting(s).
* Tony Ramos; Ramos also had a 2-0 showing against two top-10 wrestlers, which is good. The bad is that he didn't necessarily look great in doing so, especially in the semifinal match with Dardanes. I never imagined we'd be criticizing Ramos for not being aggressive enough on offense, but he seemed very loathe to take a shot in that match. Like McD, there's a good chance that Ramos sees one or both of Futrell and Dardanes again at the upcoming Big Ten Tournament.
* Montell Marion; Marion also had a 2-0 showing but beat just one top-10 wrestler (the other Dardanes brother at Minnesota). It took him until SV to put Dardanes away (and he needed a last-second escape in the third period to even get it that far), but Marion has still been wrestling well the last few weeks. The commentators have noted him cheering on several teammates during their matches, too -- it's good to see him embracing more of a leadership role on this team. We may always wish that he would just open it up a bit more on offense, but at the moment Marion is doing just fine. (Sidenote: man, the Dardanes brothers are going to be a bitch and a half to contend with for the next three years. It's a good thing Iowa has talent at the lower weights and is also recruiting well there.)
* Derek St. John; It would appear the reports of DSJ being put on the shelf for the rest of the season have been greatly exaggerated. Whether or not that's ultimately a good thing is TBD. From a health standpoint, I just hope he avoids doing any further damage to his knee that might have long-term repercussions. From a competitive standpoint, it's not yet clear to me that DSJ on 1.5 good legs is better than Nick Moore on two good legs. He scored two wins here, which is nice (especially the pinfall win over Morse, although that sounded like more of an opportunistic pinfall than anything else), but he didn't beat opponents of great quality; Morse and Zilverberg have a combined record that hovers around .500 this year. Beyond the opening rounds of the Big Ten and NCAA Tournaments, DSJ is unlikely to see opponents that mediocre the rest of the year. On the bright side, his ability to funk out of opponents' shots has always been one of his greatest strengths and he looked better doing that this week than he did a week ago. At this point, Brands seems to be putting all his chips on DSJ at this weight; hopefully that gamble pays off.
* Ethen Lofthouse; You can make a pretty strong case for Lofthouse being Iowa's Wrestler of the Weekend, if not their Wrestler of the entire National Duals. He went 4-0 in the Duals, grabbing lopsided bonus point wins a week ago and a pair of gritty wins over top-10 opposition this week. The win over Blanton wasnt exactly unexpected (he already had two wins over Blanton from earlier this year) but it was good to see him reverse the loss to Storley from the dual a few weeks ago into a win here. Neither performance this weekend was flawless -- Ironside was certainly frustrated at his relative lack of offense in the Blanton match -- but winning close matches over tough opponents away from the friendly confines of CHA is something Lofthouse needed to prove that he could do -- and now he has. If he can stay at this level, the ceiling for his performance at Big Tens and NCAAs seems a little bit higher than it did a few weeks ago.
* Grant Gambrall; Unlike everyone else in this category, Gambrall only went 1-1 this weekend, but we're grading on a curve when it comes to Gambrall. I thought Gambrall looked noticeably better at 184 than he had at 197. He lost to Steinhaus, but he was actually initiating action (Steinhaus' one takedown came on a shot from Gambrall, in fact) and looked more active and threatening than he did at 197. He was then able to take that moral victory against Steinhaus and turn it into a real victory against Dallago -- and an impressive victory at that, pouring on the takedowns (and points) for a major decision. If he wrestles like that the rest of the season, he has a definite chance to surprise some people at Big Tens and NCAAs.
Guys Who Did Not Have Good Weekends
* Mike Kelly; Much like Vinnie Wagner at 184/197, Kelly's effort can rarely be faulted. Unfortunately, effort alone rarely gets you wins at this level. Like Wagner, Kelly rarely gets blown out (although Ness certainly seems to have his number at this point) and he has a good motor, but he struggles with defending shots at times and completing his own shots. His 0-2 weekend wasn't much of a surprise, but that's mainly because 149 has been about as much of a black hole this year as it was last year and expectations for him (or anyone) here are at rock bottom. I hope he can win enough matches at Big Tens to grab one of the B1G's automatic qualifier spots for the NCAA Tournament, but I'm certainly not holding my breath.
* Mike Evans; A few weeks ago, the world appeared to be Mike Evans' oyster. He was coming off back-to-back pins over ranked opponents and looking quite fearsome. Now he's coming off a string of unimpressive performances, including a loss to one of the guys he pinned just a few weeks ago. So wha' happened? And which is the real Mike Evans? The answer (as is so often the case) is probably somewhere in-between. Evans' lack of offense on his feet has been a problem all year and it was a noticeable problem in his last few matches (especially the loss to Yohn in the semis yesterday). Until he gets that area improved, his ceiling for success is always going to be lower than it otherwise could/should be. Hopefully he uses the loss to Yohn as motivation over the next few weeks because we need to see an Evans closer to the one we saw in early February at Big Tens and NCAAs.
* Vinnie Wagner; If effort and heart were all it took to win, Wagner would be a national champion, hands down. Unfortunately, skill also matters and Vinnie isn't quite as strong in that area. Size also matters, especially with Vinnie now wrestling up a weight at 197. It would be truly satisfying for Vinnie to put together a mini-run and make the NCAA Tournament -- he's sacrificed a lot during his time at Iowa and given as much as we could hope for -- but like 149, I don't really expect it to happen. There's a strong chance that Iowa will only qualify 8 weights for the NCAA Tournament this year.
* Bobby Telford; Telford was another of Iowa's 1-1 wrestlers and his one loss was one of the most costly of the weekend for Iowa, since it clinched Iowa's dual meet defeat against Minnesota. More troubling was the fact that it contained more evidence of the unimpressive Telford we've seen since the end of the Midlands tournament in late December: he looked tentative, slow, and lacking in explosion. He was never really close to getting a takedown on Nelson in the Minnesota match... and he was also never really close to even escaping from Nelson in that match, which is even more troubling. I'm not sure what's ailing Telford, whether it's mental (a lack of confidence) or physical (a nagging injury or just a general lack of strength versus the behemoths at this weight), but whatever is troubling him is conspiring to give us some very dull and lethargic matches at HWT -- and far too many losses. I still believe in Bobby's ability to qualify for the NCAA Tournament... but I'm not terribly confident in his ability to do much when he's there right now.
NEXT: The Big Ten Tournament in West Lafayette, IN on March 3-4.
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Although the loss to Minnesota wasn't entirely unexpected, it's hard not to be disappointed.
Damn you Iowa wrestling for setting expectations so high.
You gotta give them credit, though
When this kind of year is a very disappointing year, that’s pretty impressive
I still have to laugh at Iowa's "disappointing" years being one of the top 4 teams in the nation
there have to only be a handful of teams in all of sports in general that can honestly say that being in the top 4 alone is a disappointing year. a few Premier league teams and a handful of other college teams, maybe the Lakers too.
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Feb 20, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Not that it is less impressive cause it is wrestling.
But parity is a rare thing in wrestling. This year would be the case for parity, at least for duals. Tournament looks a little different. PSU looks like they are going to have one hell of a lineup….The number of competitive teams also helps….Its harder to be more dominant in basketball than football for this reason. This train of thought makes sense for wrestling as well, less schools having programs/being competitive. Also wrestling as a sport sets it up to provide less parity. A dominant QB or RB surrounded by middle of the line talent can still be a competitive team, not a great team, but competitive. Such is not the case in wrestling. It is hard for programs to create a total package lineup, and one superstar can’t win you a title. There is a reason only 4 teams have won a title in 20 years, and only a handful more if you go back farther. I think Okie State would say any year they don’t win it all is disappointing (well at least post DG era)..I also think Mini and PSU could become very similar programs.
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by David Starbuck Petersen on Feb 20, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno
the way Wagner wrestled, he may just somehow get in the NCAA tournament at 197 on pure effort alone.
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Feb 20, 2012 5:05 PM CST reply actions
It will depend on the bracketing at 197 and how many spots the B1G auto-qualifies out of there.
If he only needs to win, say, 2 matches and he gets a favorable draw? Maybe.
Same is largely true for Kelly at 149.
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Big Ten gets 6 at 197.
And 8 at 149.
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by David Starbuck Petersen on Feb 20, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Where do you see that?
I see those numbers for the 2011 tournament, but nothing yet for 2012.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
yeah I didn't notice that date till now
But it looks fairly far to see 149 at 8. 7 guys are ranked in the top 20. I don’t really care for rankings but the Big Ten is deep at 149. I could easily see them giving out 8 again.
I’m doing a little write up on our chances at 149/197 right now…I’ll post when done…
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by David Starbuck Petersen on Feb 20, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
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by David Starbuck Petersen on Feb 21, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
Ramos has to be Iowa's man of the tournament
Carter, Dardanes and Futrell? not a whole lot of people can say they wrestled those three and came out 3-0. Lofthouse is a close second though.
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Feb 20, 2012 5:11 PM CST reply actions
UNI's Joe Colon can say
He has won 15 matches in a row, 12 in a row by bonus points — including a 13-3 shit-kicking of Carter. It’s frustrating to see Ramos not go out and attack guys like Colon has because I think Ramos is a better wrestler.
by McNutterButter on Feb 20, 2012 9:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think that's an apples:apples comparison.
Colon has a more impressive win over Carter on his resume, but he hasn’t wrestled Dardanes, Stieber, or Oliver, either. He got major decisioned by B.J. Futrell, who Ramos has beaten three times this year (once via major decision).
Carter is a difficult matchup for Ramos with his size and strength; Ramos is always going to have trouble pouring on points against 133ers like that. A lot of Colon’s points in the Carter match came from one big move, too. He also had the advantage of wrestling Carter shortly after weigh-in, whereas I believe both times Ramos wrestled him it was long after weigh-in, so Carter had a lot of time rehydrate and get bigger (and he’s a big damn 133er).
I would like to see Colon-Ramos, though. I was bummed that UNI couldn’t get past Va Tech at the Duals last weekend because I was really looking forward to seeing Colon-Ramos. Maybe they’ll face each other at NCAAs.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I disagree, but I guess my point is
Ramos needs to attack more. He needs to wrestle the style that Tom Brands preaches. I’d ALMOST rather see him lose on the attack than pick up 3-2 wins against guys he could be dropping the hammer on. Iowa guys always talk about widening the gap. Look at Ramos against Futrell and Dardanes. The gap has gotten smaller against both guys. Obviously you’d rather have a win than a loss, but you’d think if he’s already beaten these guys that he should be going into those matches oozing with confidence and, thus, thumping them — or “widening the gap” as they say.He’s just not doing that right now.
And to fair about Colon, he hasn’t been the same wrestler since Midlands. I’d like to see him against any of those guys because I think the kid is not only a very good wrestler, but he’s on a roll right now and that makes him very dangerous. You don’t go on the win-streak he’s been on since Midlands at this level, in this deep of a weight class, by accident. He took Carter straight his back, TWICE. Ramos scored one takedown and held on for a 3-2 win. And it’ not like Colon is a giant 133er. He was going to wrestle 125 before the season but he was dealing with an injury and couldn’t/didn’t want to try to cut down mid-season.
by McNutterButter on Feb 21, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
I agree in general Ramos needs to attack more.
Same can be said for most guys on the team, unfortunately.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Neither Futrell or Dardanes are slouch wrestlers
Frequently, at the elite levels, the more you wrestle a guy the closer the score tends to get. Just look at how people view wrestle-off results. I think it is naive to think that Ramos is going to keep getting better and his opponents are not.
It is nice to see Iowa guys run people off the mat, but the reality is that these guys are wrestling for themselves and not our entertainment. Comparing the results from common opponents can often lead one astray. People can keep pulling their hair out here, but the only thing that will accomplish is to leave you bald.
It is like climbing a high mountain and finding nothing at the top except a restaurant where they sell ginger beer, surrounded by fog but equipped with wireless.
You have no idea how sick I am of seeing McDonough vs. Sanders.
Rented mule, red-headed stepchild, Penn St. basketball team, etc.
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Feb 21, 2012 1:10 PM CST reply actions
I think there's probably two more matches between them in the offing, too.
I think they’re definitely the best guys at 125 and I don’t really see anyone else beating them.
I just want two more McD wins.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I know rankings mean little in wrestling
But it’s interesing to see Ethen Lofthouse’s rise. The Open Mat has him all the way into the top 5. He’s wrestling well and looks like a guy that’s headed in the right direction – peaking in late February/early March.
I think a team title, right now, is a long shot with how inconsistent the team has been and the scoring potential with their biggest threats (Minnesota, Penn State, Oklahoma State, though they might take a huge drop with the Russian done for the year). But since I’m in full-on homer mode and you can never really count Iowa out, hang with me.
If Iowa gets 25, 33, 41, 57, 65, 74, and maybe 84 going strong – that’s 7 AA’s, with a few having legit title shots/high AA finishes (esp. 25 and probably 33; you can talk yourself into 41 if Marion brings it and 57 if DSJ is healthy, Dake is banged up, etc.). Suddenly it isn’t such a long shot.
Ross, you had a great post a few days ago in another thread – what exactly is the ceiling for this team? Seemed like a team with a couple legit title contenders and a bunch of low AA’s/DNP type of guys, and their title bid was marooned by the DSJ/Gambrall situations. And do we really know the ceiling for some of these guys? Unfortunately, no. Evans is too inconsistent, Ethen moves in and out of form too easily, Marion hasn’t been the scoring machine we’d thought he’d be, Ramos can beat anyone/lose to anyone…there are just a ton of question marks on the team. Probably too many to win the title.
But what if these guys start winning some big matches? Steel is the man to beat at 25, and if he’s on, he can be a bonus point machine (which will be vital this year). Ramos can beat anyone if his offense is on and he dictates pace. Marion can beat anyone. If DSJ is 100 percent healthy and he’s on two good legs, he might be the man to beat at 57 if Dake is banged up. Evans is in the same boat as Ramos and Marion. Ditto that with Lofthouse. We know Gambrall can finish high (he’s running out of time, but he’s got a couple weeks to get the gas tank in order for Big Ten’s). I haven’t totally given up on Telford, though it’s not looking good and he looks ready for the season to be done. He has the offense to win a few matches though, and heavyweight can be a strange beast.
It’s not likely, I won’t deny that. We have just a few too many guys that are too inconsistent, lack offense on their feet (Evans), float in and out of form too much (several guys) and can let one match effect them, etc. But if you take the optimistic slant and some pieces fall in place, we suddenly look kind of dangerous again.
Don’t try and talk me out of it, either.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
Hey, knock yourself out.
I’m pessimistic about our chances of toppling PSU at Big Tens and NCAAs, but I certainly WANT to be proven wrong. I want to see guys who have been inconsistent all year suddenly flip that proverbial switch and start wrestling like demons. That would be awesome.
My biggest concern is just that PSU appears to be in SUCH a good position: they have a lot of reliable studs and are quite healthy, whereas we have very few reliable studs and have some injury issues. It does feel like it would almost take a best case scenario from us and a worst case scenario for them. Which I suppose could happen — see Iowa/OSU in the 2009 title that we barely won.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
My revised opinion of where I really think guys could/will finish... just spitballing.
125: 1st B1G, 1st NCAA (He’s the best 125er in the land, period. He’s proven he can beat everyone else.)
133: 2nd B1G, 2nd NCAA (I think he comes up short against Stieber at B1Gs, but gets him in the semis at NCAAs; unfortunately he can’t recapture the January magic that led to that upset of Oliver and he loses to JO in the finals.)
141: 2nd B1G, 2nd NCAA (I think he puts it together under the lights and knocks off Stieber in B1Gs and NCAAs… I just don’t see him getting past Russell.)
149: 1-2 B1G, 0-0 NCAA (Kelly will try, but I just don’t have much faith in him winning at 149 this year.)
157: 3rd B1G, 8th NCAA (This is the biggest guess given the uncertain quality of DSJ’s knee, but I think 157 is weak enough that he can scrap his way to 3rd at B1Gs and just make the podium at NCAAs.)
165: 2nd B1G, 5th NCAA (I’m going to trust that the loss to Yohn lights a fire under Evans and he carries it to the finals at B1Gs, where he loses to Taylor; I think he makes it to 5th at NCAAs)
174: 2nd B1G, 5th NCAA (EL is coming on and I think he can beat any 174er in the B1G except Ruth; I see him getting tripped up at NCAAs, though)
184: 4th B1G, 7th NCAA (Tough weight but moreso nationally than in the B1G… I think he loses to Steinhaus in the semis and to Ihnen in the 3rd place match; 7th is just a shot in the dark for NCAAs)
197: 0-2 B1G, 0-0 NCAA (Vinnie will try his ass off, but the size difference is too much)
HWT: 5th B1G, R12 NCAA (Tough weight, but middle of the B1G sounds about right for Bobby right now… I don’t think he has enough to get on the podium at NCAAs at the moment)
Is that enough to topple PSU? Probably not.
125: I think Nico takes 4th in B1G, and is around 7-8 at NCAAs
133: nothing of consequence
141: nothing of consequence
149: Molinaro takes 1st in B1G and is 1-2 at NCAAs
157: Alton takes 2nd in B1G and is 7-8 at NCAAs
165: Taylor takes 1st in B1G and 1st at NCAAs
174: Ruth takes 1st in B1G and 1-2 at NCAAs
184: Q takes 1st in B1G and 1-4 at NCAAs
197: McIntosh takes 3rd/4th in B1G and R12 NCAAs
HWT: Wade takes 2nd in B1G and 7-8 at NCAAs
Comparing Iowa to PSU
*Both are tossing out two weights (149, 197 for Iowa; 133, 141 for PSU)
*I have PSU with 6 finalists in B1Gs and Iowa with 5 (I also have them winning 4 of those and Iowa winning just 1)
*I have PSU with 2 other high finishers in B1G and Iowa with three other 3-4th place finishes and a 5th place finish
*I have PSU with 4 finalists in NCAAs and Iowa with 3 (and I feel a lot better about theirs than ours, sans McD)
*I have PSu with 3 low A-As in NCAAs and Iowa with 2 mid-tier A-As and 1 low A-A
*I have PSU and Iowa each with 1 R12 guy
*And this doesn’t even factor in bonus points, where they are way more likely to get points than Iowa right now
They just have a very strong team right now.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That and all other teams had major injuries
I think Cael made a sacrifice to someone, with the luck hes had this year
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Feb 21, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
Injuries suck
Even for the ‘benefactors.’ Both tournaments would be way better served with a healthy Deitchler, DSJ, Gambrall and a healthy Dake & Gelogaev.
jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
I think they would have won even with everyone else at full strength.
The injuries just extend their margin of victory.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I think Iowa would be right there without some of the injuries.
Who knows, there is still some time left in the season for the Hawks to figure some things out. Quentin Wright wrestled pretty poorly most of last season and then won the B1G’s and finished top 2 (did he win Nationals?).
It is like climbing a high mountain and finding nothing at the top except a restaurant where they sell ginger beer, surrounded by fog but equipped with wireless.
I think we'd have a shot minus the injuries.
But I’d still predict a PSU win because I just trust their sure things more than ours. Even with a healthy DSJ and Gambrall, how many sure thing finalists would you say we’d have? Maybe two — McD and DSJ? I like Tony and Montell a lot and think they have all the ability in the world to win titles… but I could also see them get bounced in the semis pretty easily. Gambrall is kind of streaky and 184 is a tough weight.
Whereas PSU has Molinaro and Taylor who are kingpins at fairly weak weights, Ruth who is at a slightly tougher weight but has been maybe PSU’s best wrestler this year, and Q who’s the defending national champ (albeit at a nasty weight). I really think at least three of those guys will for sure make the finals, although Q could get tripped up and I could see Ruth going tripped up by Perry if they’re on the same side of the bracket.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
You may be right
I think Iowa would have a fighting chance, which is usually all they need, without the injuries. I really hate seeing PSU win, though. I would rather see Okie State take titles than Penn State.
It is like climbing a high mountain and finding nothing at the top except a restaurant where they sell ginger beer, surrounded by fog but equipped with wireless.
I find myself torn on that latter point.
I dislike seeing PSU (and Cael) win, but I would eventually like to see Iowa catch Oklahoma State for the most titles so every title they gain now is one we would have to make up later on. On the other hand, the other alternative is… Minnesota. Eww.
Why oh why did Cornell have to choke so hard last year? Rob Koll is kind of a loudmouth, but I’d much rather see them get a title than the alternatives.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I am down with the aristocracy
I don’t like all of these upstart radicals edging in on our gig.
It is like climbing a high mountain and finding nothing at the top except a restaurant where they sell ginger beer, surrounded by fog but equipped with wireless.
Let them eat their cake, eh, Lycurgus Antoinette?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Absolument!
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