Hamsterdam Has an Incurable Case of Oenophilia
Hello, denizens. Been a lot of talk about wine lately, and it has piqued my interest. So I want to talk about wine. If you want to skip the hot grape talk, continue right ahead to the comments. If you want to join me, more (much more) after the jump.
This is your Hamsterdam for the entire weekend. Enjoy but, as always: Obey the rules and be excellent to eachother.
If you grew up in the Midwest like I did (and as an Iowa sports fan you almost certainly did), then you grew up in beer country. Wine in your upbringing was probably limited to cheap champagne on holidays, bad box wine, Mad Dog or Boone's in high school, and the rare night out when you wanted to get fancy. And I don't know about the rest of you, but when I finally started having wine more often in my 20s, it was a little overwhelming and frankly intimidating. Not only did it cost more than beer, but there was a dastardly level of variety and high probability of picking out a stinker at the local Hy-Vee. Well, I'm here to give you a crash course and tell you it's really not that overwhelming. There's really only 5 areas of importance:
The different types of grapes
There are two different main types of wine, red and white. And each of those colors has 4-5 "classic" or "great" grapes used and then a cornucopia of minor grapes. I won't go into the different characteristics of each of the major grapes, but it's good to know these important names as you'll see them often. Red wine: Syrah/Shiraz (same grape), Merlot, Cabernet Sauvignon, Pinot Noir. White wine: Chardonnay, Chenin Blanc, Riesling, Sauvignon Blanc, Semillon. All of the grapes are markedly different in flavors, so dig in and find out which ones you like. And don't let anyone tell you which ones you should like. Fuck those people.
Drink what you want to
As noted above and elsewhere here, drink wine how you want to. Though you may notice that some of these do matter when you get really deep into wine, the reality is that type of glass, specific temperature, swirling and sniffing, inspecting the cork, and all matter of wine snobbery are not really important to enjoying your wine if you like it a different way.
Years & regions do matter
There can be stunning variance between the quality of wines based on the climate and soil of where they were grown (I think only French people can truly pronounce the word for this: terroir). So you may have really liked a particular wine's 2008 vintage but the 2009 sucks ass. Or you may love Australian Shiraz but find that you don't like Italian Syrah. So to get what you like can be a never-ending game of cat and mouse, truly a lifetime of trying new wines. This is probably one of the most frustrating aspects of wine for beer drinkers, as beer does not have this variance.
Pairing wines with food
This is something that has become quite overblown and a big reason that wine snobs scare the rest of the population from getting into wine in the first place. They'll tell you that you have to have a certain type of wine with every kind of food you can imagine, but do what you wanna. There are some general rules that do indeed make both the wine and food more enjoyable (a heavy cabernet with a steak, a sauvignon blanc with shellfish, etc), but the wine pairing idea has gotten out of hand. If you really do care, some good quick charts are available here
Single-grape wines vs blended wines
Americans drink single-grape wines, but Europeans drink blends. So while you may order a Cabernet or Chardonnay at your next meal, the dirty Europers will be ordering a wine by the name of the house or region that produced their blend. It's somewhat likely they won't even know for sure what grapes are in there, just that it's a red or white. And you know what? Those dirty Europers do it right. Blends do a pretty good job of accentuating the good parts of a particular grape's flavor and hiding the negatives (merlot's dirt or sauvignon blanc's cat-piss tastes) behind another grape's strength. You're much more likely to find a shitty single-grape wine than a blended wine in my experience. In fact, nearly every one of the most celebrated wines you hear about selling for thousands of dollars a bottle are all blends. Do yourself a favor and try a blend next chance you get.
BUYING TIPS
I can give four easy recommendations for how to buy wine:
1) Don't spend much money per bottle. Anything more than about $10-$20/bottle and you're just showing off, and also getting ripped off. Even in champagnes, you'd have to be pretty good to tell a major difference between an $80 bottle of Perrier Jouet and a $12 bottle of Domaine Chandon. Just check out ratings and buy the best rating you want to pay for, pretty simple.
2) Unless you're an expert, never buy at a random grocery store or liquor without help. Probably more than half of wines are basically shitty, and you're going to get the bad ones when you pick blindly. It's just gonna happen. If they have ratings listed, make sure they're from a reputable source (Wine Enthusiast and Wine Spectator are the giants here) and buy something that is rated an 85 at the minimum. Or ask for help at a great wine shop like Dirty John's in IC. They're happy to help and they're generally excellent at it.
3) Buy Charles Shaw at Trader Joe's. It's affectionately called "Two Buck Chuck" because it is still exactly $2/bottle. That's actually cheaper than Bud Light, so no excuses for you poor folk. It's not great by any means, but it's definitely adequate. And most importantly, they're excellent representations of what each variety is supposed to taste like. The Merlot tastes like a Merlot, the Pinot Grigio tastes like a Pinot Grigio, etc. If you know what kind of grapes you prefer, it will make choosing more expensive wines easier.
4) Buy from the wooden rack at Costco. Every Costco has an extended circular-ish wooden bin area in their wine/beer section that has individual bottles of very good wine available for very cheap prices. They have reputable ratings listed for every bottle they sell here, and as a rule of thumb all of these wines are vetted by Costco's buyers and worthy of their shown minimum-85 ratings. Really, you can't go wrong.
And just for the hell of it, some quick and fun wine facts:
1) By far the most important factor in rating wines is the aftertaste, the 5 seconds or so of mouth flavor after you've drank it. This is more than 50% of a wine's rating as a general rule.
2) Did you know that pretty much every wine you'll ever buy is 50% 'Merican? Let me introduce you to a nasty little bug named phylloxera that nearly completely wiped out wine production in the 1800's by destroying vineyard roots. The only good way to combat this (even to this day) is to have all vineyard roots be a slightly different, more hardy grape species of North American origins. And because those American vines make terrible wine, all vineyards worldwide have American root systems with European grape vines grafted onto them above ground level.
3) Champagnes keep their consistent flavor by blending the same type of grapes from the same vineyards over several years of crops. It's why you won't generally see a year on a bottle of Dom Perignon or Veuve Cliquot, hell even that dirt-cheap bottle of Korbel at Wal-Mart has probably 5 different vintages of grapes to get the flavor right. There are fun exceptions to this rule, of course.
4) Speaking of champagne, the bubbles are generally believed to have started as a vintner defect. This probably makes champagne one of my favorite accidental discoveries of all time. Fuck vulcanized rubber, give me some champagne first.
5) If you're drinking red wine, some quick tips that might make it even better: decant or aerate (you'll notice the difference), and chill the wine just a couple degrees before drinking. Most reds are drunk at room temperature but taste slightly better a couple degrees below that.
6) And the best tip I can possibly give: If you're more interested in digging deeper into the history and intricacies, Karen MacNeil's WINE BIBLE is an amazing, thorough, and well-written book. I really wish there was something like this for beer. Alas, most beer books are absolutely turrible.
Unless otherwise expressly indicated by BHGP editors, this FanPost is strictly the viewpoint of the author and is not endorsed by BHGP in any way.
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You had me until cornucopia
then I thought of Peace Tree Brewing
then I thought of Hop Sutra
then I thought of Hop Slam
seriously?
I first discovered Hop Slam last weekend.
Then today I find out that it’s a seasonal, and basically all gone until next year. Big-time sad.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Feb 17, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
I have four in the fridge
and a case in the garage. Last year’s lasted til October (too long, I know).
seriously?
Not to hijack a wine thread...
Found a bottle of Angry Cedar Amber Ale today. Its not bad atall.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 17, 2012 7:58 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
One of my best friends is the owner/brewer
He makes damn good beer. Read the story on the bottle of how it came to be, its a great story.
When life gives you water, make beer!
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by benvious on Feb 17, 2012 8:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's on tap everywhere here.
EVERYWHERE, BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 18, 2012 1:28 AM CST up reply actions
You would.
It’s whiskey night in Iowa City. Doing blind taste tests between Templeton and other ryes, trying some new bourbons, and white whiskey.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Feb 17, 2012 7:35 PM CST reply actions
I don't know what kinds of rye there will be,
I’m bringing Two Jays Iowa white whiskey.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Feb 17, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Bulleit Rye is definitly smoother than it's Bourbon cousin
but to me its very different the Templeton, although if I remember the Bulleit was a bit cheaper when I got it.
I didn't order assholes with my whiskey
by White Lightning on Feb 17, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Did you download the ME3 demo?
I was hoping they would improve the combat mechanics more than they did.
You won't never regret this, mister editing man.
by KilometersDavis on Feb 17, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
That's a fancy way to say
masturbate.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Feb 18, 2012 1:29 AM CST up reply actions
Naw. I really did go play video games.
Playing through the entire series of Mass Effect before ME3 comes out. Gonna be close.
Twitterz: @EnergizerHawk
by EnergizerHawk on Feb 18, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
I did a wine tasting/info thing
on our last cruise and the sommelier taught us that if you like a wine, drink it all. I know, terrible advice that, and so hard to follow. But seriously, while you want a red to breathe, unless you’ve got one of those injection things that will remove all the air and replace it with nitrogen or something inert, the wine will continue to oxidize. Even the vacuum stoppers aren’t going to remove everything, and that will continue to change the taste. It’s certainly not going to ruin a good wine, but you if like what you’re drinking, why risk it.
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
Not gonna be a problem with this wine tonight. Already half gone.
The bottle, I mean.
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by EnergizerHawk on Feb 17, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
So saw this at the grocery store and decided to give it a try
Grape flavored apple is quite interesting.
I still haven't figured out what kind of grapes Moscato is made from, but gosh dang it. Moscatos are delicious.
Twitterz: @EnergizerHawk
I believe it's the
Muscato Canelli. If you like sweet wines (and I do sometimes), they can be great.
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Feb 17, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Barefoot Moscato Spumante is my go-to budget bubbly
Super sweet (it may be too sweet for a lot of people’s taste), a little peachy, very tasty.
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by IPeeBlackAndGold on Feb 18, 2012 3:09 AM CST up reply actions
Good write up Cat
Lots of good advice. I’m just a novice, but getting more involved.
Tonight is just vodka and store brand diet 7up—exciting I know.
Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.
Fantastic. Just fantastic.
Thank you for the links and write-ups.
I am sadly stuck sober tonight. So reading this has not helped in the immediate. But it has been bookmarked.
Nice job there
I consider myself to be a bit of an oenophile in that I know more about wine than anyone I grew up with, but my knowledge is still quite poor compared to the pros I have met in my travels. A little over a year ago, my fiancee and I spent 2 weeks in the Napa and Sonoma areas – that was truly an eye-opening experience.
I really liked what you said here: “… don’t let anyone tell you which ones you should like. Fuck those people.” Wine is such an individual experience, it should just be enjoyed for what it is – don’t worry about what someone else thinks it should be.
Beer too
I always have to remind myself that taste is individual when I see my dad drinking a Bud Light, despite the availability of “better”. Life isn’t relative but taste sure is.
by Hawklyn on Feb 18, 2012 8:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Beer rule number one is...
The bet beer is a free beer, or the one your buddy offers you, no matter what it is. If you’re paying for It, then you can snob all you want.
Sure Lisa, some magical animal.
how much would it suck
If you were so “sophisticated” you could only drink $100 bottles of wine? Truly, fuck that. We have a Black Box at our house at all times. Costco out here has it for $17 and it is 4 bottles. It stays fresh for 45 days after you open it and you can have one glass or five depending on your evening.
Thanks for the thread, I missed it last night but I was drinking wine, Malbec, Cab and Pinot with some Fareway steak. Freakin’ great.
"SUPREME IN STATE: University of Iowa Football Team Established Undisputed Superiority over Football Teams of Rival Institutions within Boundaries of Hawkeyedom.—Trounces Ames" - The Iowa Alumnus
by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 18, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
Hmm... I've been eyeing a boxed wine lately. I'll have to go try it sometime.
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by EnergizerHawk on Feb 18, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
If you can find a good box wine, it is clearly the far superior delivery method
But it’s still hard to find a good wine that will put theirs in a box. Similar to how cans are better for beer, there’s unfortunately a stigma against both as they’re seen as “low class” delivery methods by most of the good alcohol producers. I’ve not tried the Black Box, will have to look into it.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Feb 18, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
I am not a big Chard fan
But the black box Chard is pretty good, it isn’t over oaked and when it is really cold it is tasty on a hot summer day.
"SUPREME IN STATE: University of Iowa Football Team Established Undisputed Superiority over Football Teams of Rival Institutions within Boundaries of Hawkeyedom.—Trounces Ames" - The Iowa Alumnus
by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 18, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Let's not forget the best part of boxed wine:

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 18, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
it does kinda suck
Seeing some of the wines recently posted on another thread recently, my immediate thought was “ugh, they should try some good wines some time.”
Being the “professional” that I am, I can swill Gallo from the jug. However, it’s hard to find affordable that are also palatable once one has crossed over into the territory of Paul Giamatti’s character in Sideways (although I will drink merlot). WhenI was younger, wine was just another means to a blissfully fuzzy end. Now, when I taste a good quality wine, the experience itself is the goal – the blissful fuzziness that occurs later is just a nice side benefit. =)
I agree
what are some of your best experiences?
I got the 2002 Sebastiani Cab for $11/bottle and am sitting on the last bottle out of the 3 cases I ended up buying. Holy crap, that is exactly what I am looking for, excellent and cheap.
"SUPREME IN STATE: University of Iowa Football Team Established Undisputed Superiority over Football Teams of Rival Institutions within Boundaries of Hawkeyedom.—Trounces Ames" - The Iowa Alumnus
by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 18, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Truth
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 18, 2012 4:36 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Also Wii Sports resort
Fly, little frisbee, fly!
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Feb 18, 2012 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
Goldeneye is the best drinking game of all time
You die, you drink.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Feb 18, 2012 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
Just saw this on Twitter
@tjhawk9273
Power out due 2 every1 going online 2 check out rumor BF is headed home 2 coach OL. Luebke FB pg sez “Congrats BF on new job”
Funny story?
Or funn-IEST story?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
Big fan of MacNeil's book.
Totally approachable despite its hefty weight.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
I agree heartily
And it has pictures! Yay! But really, I desperately need a similar book for beer. I’ve read a half dozen of the highest-rated beer books I could find, they were all pretty much schlock. The best histories and information I’ve found on beer have been in books that had it among several subjects (Standage’s “6 Glasses”, etc), so they were a little limited in scope.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Feb 18, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
there is 1 cool kind of wine and thats boone farm
If you’re not drinking that you better be drinking beer like every other male in Iowa.
by eff bielema on Feb 18, 2012 1:31 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Are people aware of this movie, Dark Matter?
VERY loosely based on the Gang Lu massacre. I hadn’t heard of it before but I happened to notice it on my way to bed so now I’m watching it.
On its own merits, it seems like an okay movie. Well-acted (Meryl Streep is in it and the guy playing the Gang Lu-based character-Liu Ye-is pretty good), and evidently it won an award at Sundance when it came out. But they took so many liberties with the facts that I can’t believe they can even say it was based on actual events.
"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Feb 18, 2012 3:42 AM CST reply actions
All that Hollywood needs to throw the "true events" tag on a movie is a story that someone claims is true.
Killer Elite also received the “true events” tag despite being based on a book that some claim is a complete fabrication.
by The Mexican't on Feb 18, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah, I never got around to seeing that one. It looked ridiculous/awesome (ridiculawesome?)
Anyway, the screenwriters turned him into a student with a Nobel Prize-level discovery in Physics for a dissertation, and his asshole professor doesn’t let him to do the research because it doesn’t fit his model of the Universe. So the department’s scholarship goes to his friend from Beijing who has become much more American-ized and tows the professor’s line. I guess it was more a commentary on bad politics in academia than an attempt at telling an accurate story.
"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Feb 18, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
From the letters he wrote home that they intercepted afterward
it sounded like the film industry played at least some role in the tragedy, filling the guy’s head with vigilante revenge fantasies. So, it’s not too surprising the filmmakers decided to invent some imaginary evil to blame it on rather than face their own field’s possible complicity.
by Brock Sampson on Feb 18, 2012 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
I am incredibly impressed with the ability of KF to keep things hush-hush.
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by EnergizerHawk on Feb 18, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Kind of like the opposite of how he reacts to fakes on kicks/punts.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Feb 18, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
PSD already has a post up on the main page
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Feb 18, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Blind taste test of three rye whiskeys last night
Between Templeton, Russell, and Masterson’s, 6 out of 6 guys chose Templeton as the best. We were all shocked, and happy to confirm that our Templeton love isn’t completely bandwagon. It wasn’t even close, really.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Feb 18, 2012 11:06 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I got guys out here in Virginia
that have no idea what it is asking me if I can bring them some. It is good stuff.
"SUPREME IN STATE: University of Iowa Football Team Established Undisputed Superiority over Football Teams of Rival Institutions within Boundaries of Hawkeyedom.—Trounces Ames" - The Iowa Alumnus
by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 18, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
I made a mistake
if you can call it that, introducing a couple of people I know to it as well from out of state. Now they’re just trying to get their hands on my supply
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Feb 18, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
We've got lots of science nerds here, right?
This is a really good read about a then 14-year-old wunderkind becoming the “youngest individual on Earth to achieve nuclear fusion”.
It’s a bit long, but it’s interesting all the way through.
Very nice pull
Thanks for the article. You may have already heard about this guy:

Those are lifetime radiation burns from his achieving fusion in his shed at 16 with about $300 worth of gear.
If not, it’s a fascinating read.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Feb 18, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
I saw the pic and thought...
“Todd Marinovich? Is that you?”
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 18, 2012 4:38 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
He kinda looks like he got in a fight with a bus window.
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I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Feb 18, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
His reactor would have been fission, not fusion
And it’s not clear from the story that he ever got a chain reaction going.
by Brock Sampson on Feb 18, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Just watched last week's Walking Dead
am really disappointed in the lazy way the writers have gone about the Dale-Shane conflict. I especially disliked how Dale just had a “feeling” that Shane killed Otis, and just happened to know exactly how he did it. I don’t think Dale knows, but the writers are being lazy in how they’re giving him suspicions that are completely correct.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah, that was some really lazy writing
Also bad: Lori flying off the handle and driving off (without telling anyone, apparently) after Rick & Co. I wish they would use that car crash to write her out.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
A also agree.
I wish they would move on. I’m tired of the character building going on at the farm. I want to see what’s going on in other areas, although i suppose this is a cheap and easy way to film. So much potential, wasted. Also, what about the black guy and his kid (you know, the guy from Jericho-I can’t remember his name, no racism intended)? What happened to hm? It seemed to be an integral part of the beginning.
Sure Lisa, some magical animal.
It would help if there was actual character-building going on.
We haven’t learned much about the characters that we didn’t already know, though.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Somewhere interesting (i.e., away from the damn farm), hopefully.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Nebraska apparently.
Just ask any Husker fan. Everything good happens there. Maybe the walking dead will invade Memorial stadium. Or have they already, like in real life…
Sure Lisa, some magical animal.
Didn't Shane basically tell Dale that he killed Otis
when he caught him trying to stash his guns? Not overtly, but I thought Dale had an “aha” moment during that conversation. I may be misremembering that, but even if I’m right it still makes Dale’s “gut feeling” dialogue from this week a tad strange.
You won't never regret this, mister editing man.
by KilometersDavis on Feb 18, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
From what I recall of that conversation, it was still a little forced/sudden for Dale to be throwing accusations around like he was in the most recent episode.
It just feels like lazy writing. They want to get the group to be dealing with the fact that Shane killed Otis, but they can’t devise a good way to get that info out there.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Exactly
there was no build up to it at all. Dale lobbed some accusations (and nowhere near anything so specific as is now being claimed) about how Shane was being “awfully vague” about what happened to Otis. And Shane replied something to the effect “well, you’ve got it all figured out don’t you?” which was could be taken as sarcasm as much as an admission. The fact is, the writing is lazy and the characters are barely one-dimensional. If it doesn’t get better soon, I may have to the eject button on the Walking Dead
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
The show continues to do just enough things right to make me want to keep watching.
And, of course, just enough things wrong to frustrate the hell out of me.
I wish the show would just give into its base impulses and be the fun B-movie it could be rather than the Serious Important Drama it seems to spend most of its time wanting to be. It’s pretty bad at that material. It’s really good at the B-movie stuff, though.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
A LOT of people need to die on that show
for the simple fact that they are too stupid to live. And I mean in our modern, rather safe world. Let alone a post-Apocalypse Zombieland.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I have no idea where Jarryd Cole is playing these days
But apparently they just won a title.
Good for him.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Phil Mickelson just managed to roll a shot up a guy's pants leg
David Feherty’s head explodes resisting the urge to make a ball joke.
Also, Zach Johnson appears to be in the hunt. Good for him if he gets hot going towards the Masters.
"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Feb 18, 2012 4:05 PM CST reply actions
Champagne is my area of expertise.
My roommate for the past three years is a bit of a connoisseur. I’m not nearly as schooled as he is but I’ve learned a thing or two about the bubbly.
For me, personally, it’s all personal preference. I like my champagnes to be dry, slightly tart with a smooth, milky finish. Price points can offer some guidance about the quality that you are getting (though, $80 for a bottle of PJ? Unless you’re talking about their Fleur, you’re getting hosed) but should be taken with a grain of salt. Case-in-point, Piper-Heisdieck. It’s about the same price as most mid-level champagnes (non-vintage Veuve, Louis Roederer, etc.) but I simply cannot stand the stuff. Too acidic with a clunky finish. A bottle of Moet is generally $5-10 cheaper and has a far superior taste.
Perpetually living between the click of a light and the start of a dream.
you're clearly deeper into champagne with knowledge and taste than I am
God bless you for it, but I do fear for your wallet a little.
To your points: I have indeed noticed that champagne is one of the few areas where you seem to “get what you pay for”, or at least far more than any other type. It’s also a rare exception to the rule of a lifetime of learning, since it’s generally the only wine that has their (base) champagne taste the same year after year, bottle after bottle, due to the year-over-year blending I noted in one of the facts/tips. The cuvee’s and vintages can make the prices go up and have more variance, as you well know.
You’re correct that I appear to have shot a little high on the PJ price, I don’t tend to buy the more expensive champagnes with any regularity. What else? Oh yeah, we appear to have some of the same taste in how we like our champagnes. Since I tend to stay on the cheap end (and you already know the glory of Veuve cuvee’s), my recommendations for you would be the Domaine Chandon ($12-15) I already noted and Barefoot Bubbly. I’m amazed how much I like the Barefoot for its price of about $8-10/bottle.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Feb 18, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a bit of a snob...
and I think it is mostly because of what you said “champagne is one of the few areas where you seem to ‘get what you pay for’”. Like I said, there are exceptions to the rule but this tends to be true.
As for my wallet, I allow myself two major vices in life: Travel and Champagne. My friends and I have a get-together every Sunday to grill out (when it is warm), cook, watch T.V. (Game of Thrones, Downton Abbey, True Blood, Etc…) and drink champagne. Every person brings at least a bottle (preferably two) of mid-level champagne. Occasionally we’ll splurge and get a fantastic bottle (I’m a sucker for Laurent Perrier’s Rose…it’s ever-so-slightly sweet, crisp and absolutely wonderful from start to finish).
I will agree, though, that Domaine Chandon and even Barefoot can hit the spot. Generally my friends and I will only use it for making screwmosas (in a flute, 2/5 flavored vodka, 2/5 Barefoot or Domaine, 1/5 OJ).
What’s the best bottle you’ve ever had? My roommate bought a bottle of Krug ‘96 and he let me have half a flute. It was the first time that, while I found it absolutely delicious, even I was thinking "O.K…this is over 300 bucks and I can’t tell what makes it so much better than a Dom Perignon".
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by hawkeyeguy85 on Feb 18, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
My favorite champagne is kind of lame: Moet & Chandon's White Star
I think the reason I like it so much is because it was one of the first “big” champagnes (it’s what they traditionally used to christen ships), and thus all of the cheapo champagnes I had in my youth (Korbel, etc) tried to go for that taste. I never liked the cheap stuff, but when I had White Star for the first time I thought “Oh, THAT is what they were trying to do”. It also has sentimental reasons for my wife and I, so I think that helps as well.
If I’m being unbiased, I think the best bottle I’ve ever had is probably a crand cru Veuve Cliquot that I had a couple years ago. I’ve been too cheap to try anything more expensive than Dom, and I’ve only had that once.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 18, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Dom is delicious.
The first time I tried it, I was incredibly worried that it couldn’t live up to the hype. A best friend of mine was turning 40 and my one roommate and I bought her 4 bottles of the Andy Warhol edition of Dom (‘02 vintage, I believe). While the taste itself is only above average in my opinion, it has one of the cleanest milky finishes of any champagne I’ve ever had. That said, I think it’s slightly overpriced. Around here (Chicago), it’s usually around $120 and in my opinion it should be around $80.
…and you don’t need to explain a love for White Star. It’s pretty damn good. :)
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by hawkeyeguy85 on Feb 18, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
La Grande Dame
can’t remember what year it was but we got a bottle of it that I could grab two glasses of. I loved the tart apple with the crisp finish. Like the regular stuff as well. Only French wine with the English Royalty seal on it.
I love me some white star as well, it has kind of a toasted flavor I like. Costco has an actual traditional made, Champagne region bubbly that is about $20 and really tasty for the money.
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by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 18, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
Not that you all will care, and it’s not champagne (since it’s Californian) but I’m on team Schramsberg. The rose and blanc de noir are delicious. They release their reserves around the Christmas holidays. If you can get them to give you a tour, it’s well worth it.
where can you get it?
One of my favorite non champagne is Gruet from New Mexico, much cheaper and good. I am always looking for an alternative to the budget busting big boys.
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by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 19, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Always liked White Star
my favorite “run of the mill” champagne is Mumm’s.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Forgot to mention a couple other thoughts:
Can’t fault you at all for this:
I allow myself two major vices in life: Travel and Champagne
My sig agrees with this sentiment 100%.
Also: I’m moving to Chicago, and would be most interested in your Sunday soirees if you have an available spot.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 19, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely!
As long as you don’t mind being in a room full of fags and fag-hags. :) The benefit of said attendees being that some stereotypes are absolutely based on truth: The food is generally outstanding.
You have any idea which neighborhood you’re gonna be in?
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by hawkeyeguy85 on Feb 21, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Logan Square area for now
Eventually probably going to buy in (shudder) one of the suburbs. And I’m quite OK with gay culture if you’re OK with us breeders, we currently live in WeHo if that’s any sort of indication. Drop me an email (in my profile) and after a few weeks to get settled in, I’m quite interested.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 22, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
NOT THE SUBURBS
* looks at self in mirror *
oh. ummm. Hey, look on the bright side, we have parking.
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by chitownhawkeye on Feb 24, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
In other news, UI softball is trolling the fuck out of ISU
And Nebrasketball is taking it to Bruce Weber and what’s left of the Fighting Illini. GLORIOUS.
Parting is such sweet sorrow, Bruce Weber.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I guess I'm kind of surprised by that.
But good.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 18, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
what did i miss?
did he get fired?
did he resign
gonna affect the way I sing
“We’re Loyal to you Illinois”
which beleive it or not
was my HS fight song
and adopted by the figting Illini
albeit fifty years before i got there
Her noblesse exceeded her oblige
They lost by 30 to Nebrasketball.
He’s dunzo. It’s just a matter of time until it’s official.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
ahh i can understand loosing to the five time national champions
i thought there had been something done
as apposed to anticipated,,,,,
were orange and blue oak park high
Her noblesse exceeded her oblige
Any reason why the Illini don't have a stronger blog community?
Not a lot of computers in the Flatlands, or what? Or is it because they’re pretty much fairweather sports of every sport they participate in?
In support of this question
I present to you as evidence, the fact that I was lurking from board to board trying to find some sort of reaction from Illini fans. Instead, I found this.
Hahaha!
If you had to root for the Zooker, would YOU want to blog about it?
Sure Lisa, some magical animal.
Anyone watching the Iowa High School State Wrestling on TV?
DRUNJIFORNICATION
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Feb 18, 2012 7:21 PM CST reply actions
Is it actually on TV?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
yeah if you live in estern iowa it is on 9-2
DRUNJIFORNICATION
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Feb 18, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
watching Meeks right now,
he is tough. isn’t he at ISU next year?
DRUNJIFORNICATION
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Feb 18, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
looks to me like Don Bosco just wrapped up the 1A title
but im bad at math.
DRUNJIFORNICATION
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Feb 18, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
This obit is extraordinary.
At 20, he attempted suicide-by-jaguar. Afterward he was apprenticed to a pirate. To please his mother, who did not take kindly to his being a pirate, he briefly managed a mink farm, one of the few truly dull entries on his otherwise crackling résumé, which lately included a career as a professional gambler.
(via) H/T to @edsbs
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That is an incredible story. Bravo, good sir.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 18, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
He's the real-life Most Interesting Man in the World!
"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Feb 18, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
suicide-by-jaguar
The car, or the cat?
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by IPeeBlackAndGold on Feb 18, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
Read on...
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That shit kray!
I was joking, assuming it was the car! But of course-he collected jaguar and ocelot skins. That is one hell of a life lived.
"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Feb 18, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
Serpentine, Babu!
"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Feb 19, 2012 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
I fell like "Suicide by Jaguar"
would be an awesome name for a band.
You won't never regret this, mister editing man.
by KilometersDavis on Feb 18, 2012 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
"feel like"
You won't never regret this, mister editing man.
by KilometersDavis on Feb 18, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Wow.
One of my favorite parts:
On July 19, 1969 — Day 180 — Mr. Fairfax, tanned, tired and about 20 pounds lighter, made landfall at Hollywood, Fla. "This is bloody stupid," he said as he came ashore. Two years later, he was at it again.
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by EnergizerHawk on Feb 18, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
Bit by a shark!
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Feb 18, 2012 9:20 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Jimmy Jack's BBQ and Boulevard Irish red
It doesn’t suck being my tastebuds right now.
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by IPeeBlackAndGold on Feb 18, 2012 8:02 PM CST reply actions
Kind of tangential wine question:
What should I be using corkscrew-wise? That may be a stupid question, but I’ve always used a cheap-ish “pullscrew” that pulls the cork out on its own. But I always end up with little bits of cork in the wine.
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by KilometersDavis on Feb 18, 2012 8:13 PM CST reply actions
the easiest and cheapest
is the little Waiter’s corkscrew. quick and very effective.
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by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 18, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly. The Bacon Explosion is on top of this
There is absolutely nothing quicker or easier than one of these, even after hundreds of years of invention:

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by therealCatnuts on Feb 18, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of the cork
If ordering a bottle of wine at a restaurant, when presented the cork, DO NOT SNIFF IT! This is done by people who like to think they know what they’re doing, but in fact do not. The reason the cork is handed to you is for you to have the chance to examine it, to satisfy yourself that it has not rotted thus letting in air and potentially spoiling the wine. You want to feel it to make sure it isn’t dry and crumbly. Visually, you’re looking for the same: you want to make sure it is wholly intact and not crumbling/flaking. You are also looking for signs of crystallization at the wine-stained end. Some crystallization is ok, but excessive deposits are signs of spoilage.
At the end of the day, if you don’t know, don’t be afraid to ask. Too many people are terrified of looking like fools that they allow themselves to drink shit that has gone bad because they don’t want to ask the waiter. The waiter should be there to help you; and if he’s snobby about it, fuck him and tip accordingly.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
You've clearly spent a lot of time in DC
fuck him and tip accordingly
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 19, 2012 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
I used to work in the restaurant biz
and I know well how much it sucks. I always over-tip, to get “just” 15% you have to be pretty bad at your job; but I still have no problem with pointedly shafting someone who is asking for it.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I am getting very smitten...
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by RossWB on Feb 19, 2012 12:31 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
That was pretty fucking good.
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by BStylin Hawkye on Feb 20, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Notable state HS Tourney results
IOWA recruits
Cory Clark: 3A Champ at 126 (4-time state champ)
Topher Carton: 2A runner-up at 132
Connor Ryan: 3A runner-up at 138 (first-ever 4-time state runner-up in Iowa history)
Alex Meyer: 3A Champ at 170
Sammy Brooks: 3A champ at 182 (Illinois)
Thomas Gilman: Class B champ at 132 (Nebraska)
ISU recruits
Kyle Larson: lost in 3A semis to D Bauer
Dakota Bauer: 3A champ at 132
John Meeks: 3A champ at 138 (beat Ryan in finals; 4-time champ; undefeated in HS)
Gabe Moreno: 3A champ at 145
UNI recruits
Dylan Peters: 2A champ at 120
Zach Witte: 3A champ at 152
Oregon St recruits
Jack Hathaway: lost to Clark in 3A quarters at 126
Penn recruits
Eric DeVos: 3A runner-up at 126
Wisconsin recruits
Phillip Laux: 3A champ at 113
Justin Koethe: 3A runner-up at 160
Missouri recruits
Willie Miklus: 3A champ at 220
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Really good year for in-state recruits, especially at the lower weights. The fact that Clark, DeVos, and Hathaway were all in the same weight is pretty nuts. Ryan might just be a supremely unlucky wrestler — in 4 trips to the finals, he lost to Clark 2x, Hathaway, and Meeks. Clark and Meeks are both 4-time state champs.
The guy Carton lost to is also a 4-time state champ apparently, so all of Iowa’s recruits were either state champs or runners-up to guys who were 4-time state champs. (Although Skonkieczny, the big-time recruit in Ohio, hasn’t wrestled for a state title yet this year, IIRC.) That’s not too shabby.
Miklus would have been a nice one to land, especially if he can get down to 197.
ISU has some very nice recruits. I don’t think Meeks ever considered Iowa; he was committed to Nebraska for a long time, then flipped to ISU. Hopefully some combination of Clark/Gilman/Skon is able to beat him in college.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
My wine story
A long time ago I knew something about computers
And that company that makes the I-everything
Gave me a demonstration grant to use their technology
To streamline the very mundane but very important task of interlibrary loan
The pabulum 50,000 view is
You got into your library and want a book and they don’t have it
And interlibrary loan gets it for you
With the help of a lot of folks we did a pretty good job
So I land in Cupertino at a meeting to share the results
With the other boys and girls and moms and dads who also got grants
The I-company decides to take us to the oldest winery in California
For a celebration supper,,,,,
Now I hate wine (sorry TrCN) and am a grateful recovering alcoholic with good reason
I figure the night is going to be a real bummer
So i go talk to the bus driver
And with usual alcoholic aplomb
Give him a General Jackson (For whom our county and city is named)
And tell him he can have the difference if he finds me a 12 of Augie Busch
And an Appalachian Cooler
(a trash bag and a bag of ice)
Sure enough before the hors-devours are hot is see the bus returneth
I take the Appalachian cooler and hide in the bushes
Making a short story shorter,, during the evening there were eight different vinos presented for tasting
Each time i took my glass outside, slugged some down out of the can
And filled my glass
I was a smoker so no one said much
The food was really really really good
And even better with the late ’89 or perhaps early ’90 Budweiser
I was get ready to go I pass by my bushes and grab my Appalachian cooler and head for the bus
Upon seating myself word got out to my colleagues that I had beer
Well I only had three left,, but I gladly shared them
When the bus got back to the hotel, there were five of headed to the nearest carry out
Chablis was not our prime directive
I got a wedding story about wine,,,,
Her noblesse exceeded her oblige
by OhioHawk on Feb 19, 2012 2:18 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
My favorite lines:
The food was really really really good
And even better with the late ’89 or perhaps early ’90 Budweiser
I never tire of seeing your posts, OH!
Also – I learned something new: “Appalachian Cooler” I’ll have to keep that in mind for future reference.
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by EnergizerHawk on Feb 19, 2012 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
I am indescribably happy that you are a member of this fine community.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Feb 19, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Now I want to know what these comments were
ESPN apology for 3 separate inappropriate Jeremy Lin comments
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 19, 2012 10:05 PM CST reply actions
I know what the ESPN mobile headline was
not sure if it should be posted.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Probably shouldn't
just know that it was an ethnically offensive term. You can probably guess. And if you can’t guess, then thank goodness, our culture may be moving beyond those terms.
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by chitownhawkeye on Feb 20, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
Ironically
my girlfriend went as that particular term for Halloween a few years ago. She’s Korean, so I’m not sure whether its racist or not
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
To be clear
the term used by ESPN was not the N-word any derivation there of
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Gracias. Much better than explicitly discussing it.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 20, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not entirely sure about that.
The point of the “no slurs” rule is to prevent people from calling each other slurs, not really to prevent discussion of them in a more abstract/general way. On the other hand, even that discussion can also get heated at times, so maybe it is best to punt on it for now.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Three inches of snow here in Richmond
which means, because it is a Southern state, everyone is running around crazed like it’s the Apocalypse and they HAVE TO BUY 20 LOAVES OF BREAD AND 30 GALLONS OF MILK RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE’LL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET THOSE THINGS EVER AGAIN!
Personally, I’m just pissed that a lot more people will be taking the day off work tomorrow, I was looking forward to being one of the few at home. It’s not an emergency in my book until we get 12 inches of snow
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Sorry it took me so long to respond
I was waiting in line at Kroger. I can’t believe I could only get 13 gallons of milk.
This “storm” goes to prove Bobby Ukrop has official retired. No way he would have allowed a possibility of snow on a Sunday.
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by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 20, 2012 7:58 AM CST up reply actions

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