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The Short List: Erik Campbell

At most schools, an open coordinator position wouldn't be cause for serious contemplation. Coordinators come and go, in most circumstances. Iowa football isn't most schools, though; the program hasn't hired a new coordinator in thirteen years, and a full-on head coaching search looks to be years away. Offensive Coordinator LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.

You have to hand it to Kirk Ferentz: When he wants to keep a secret, nobody gets in. It's been twelve days since Ken O'Keefe resigned as offensive coordinator, and not only do we not know who the replacement will be, but we don't even know who the candidates are. Gary Barta's comments this week indicated an announcement might not be forthcoming anytime soon, so we might as well speculate.

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Four years ago today, Iowa named Erik Campbell as the replacement for the retiring Carl Jackson (Lester Erb, who was coaching receivers at the time, moved to running backs coach to make way). It was seen as something of a coup for Ferentz; Campbell's resume was exemplary, and he had been mentioned for far bigger jobs than a position coach spot with Iowa even then. Campbell had spent the past thirteen seasons under Bo Schembechler (for whom he played defensive back in the early 80s), Gary Moeller, and Lloyd Carr as wide receivers coach; in his last six in Ann Arbor, he also acted as assistant head coach. Campbell had been largely responsible for the never-ending string of dominant receivers that had victimized Iowa over the years: Braylon Edwards, Mario Manningham, Amani Toomer, David Terrell, Marquise Walker, Jason Avant, Steve Breaston, etc.. etc., etc. Prior to his long stint with Michigan, Campbell had coached running backs at Syracuse, Ball State, and Navy.

The results since Campbell landed in Iowa City, in both recruiting and production, have been staggering. In the course of his four seasons at Iowa, Campbell has coached the two most productive receivers in program history. Probably more impressive is the fact that neither receiver played the position in high school; Marvin McNutt, who broke nearly every receiver record at Iowa, spent his first two seasons AT IOWA as a quarterback before Soup got him out wide. Under Campbell's watch, Iowa landed Keenan Davis, precisely the sort of in-state recruit Iowa lost to Michigan in the past (and, as it turns out, in the future as well). If the star ratings haven't changed significantly in receiver recruiting under Campbell, the player type has. Iowa used to sign receivers who could already play receiver, and that largely meant guys who were a step slow or a few inches short or somehow overlooked. Iowa now recruits size and speed, knowing that Campbell can build college receivers in the same way that O'Keefe could build college quarterbacks or Phil Parker could build defensive backs.

Campbell has the resume and the Lloyd Carr seal of approval necessary to get him in the conversation, but he's never been a playcaller. While that was not a problem at defensive coordinator -- Phil Parker had an audition in 2010, and is so embedded in an Iowa defensive system that doesn't involve a ton of playcalling responsibility -- the open OC spot is a different animal. Ken O'Keefe had been a national championship-winning head coach before joining the Iowa staff, and Norm had been calling plays since the dawn of time. It might not be a huge concern, given that Campbell has spent four years in the program and thirteen years in a similar system at Michigan before that, but it is still a different animal, and I'm not certain Ferentz wants to be breaking in two first-time coordinators at the same time.

There's also the question of whether Campbell wants the job. It's been common knowledge since he got here that Soup wants to be a head coach. He was a finalist for the open position at Eastern Michigan filled by former UM defensive coordinator Ron English. He's also been here to watch what happened when Ken O'Keefe tried to throw his hat in the ring for open spots at Indiana and UConn and had the hat thrown back at him. If Ferentz offers Campbell the position as an actual coordinator and an honest-to-God playcaller, Campbell probably accepts. If it's offered as the same position O'Keefe filled, as Ferentz's silent criticism sponge with playcalling subject to Ferentz's conservative mandates, Campbell might well pass for the sake of his career.

Much like the defensive coordinator search, Campbell was seen as a fait accompli when the position first opened and loses steam with every day. We still think he's the favorite, but it's notoverwhelming. Remember this: The defensive staff is set at four coaches, which means Ferentz can only hire five on the offensive side of the ball. He has three in place right now: Campbell, Lester Erb, and Eric Johnson. If there's an announcement on offensive line coach and quarterback coach in the next couple of weeks, the hire has to come from within. If one of those spots remains open, it's much more likely an outside hire. We'll get to outside names soon. From the internal ranks, though, it's Campbell's spot to lose.

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I believe this will be soup

and for reasons that have everything to do with Ferentz’s personality. The man is a trust freak. We know he loathes the coin toss in football because of the lack of control over it, although he tries nevertheless to control it by ALWAYS receiving the ball when he wins.

I cannot imagine him not hiring Campbell or someone who lives within 15 miles of him right now, and I cannot imagine him not hiring his son. He is almost pathologically committed to fidelity and he doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy to nurture long distance relationships (meaning I don’t think there is an ally sitting out there at this late date that he feels he knows well enough to bring in now).

So, he sees Campbell all the time in action and he is a known quantity and thus I believe Campbell will be his man. There is no reason, by the way, for Campbell not to take the gig either. KOK just got a nice gig as a QB coach in the NFL at an advanced age. I know he was hired by a friend, but he certainly was not unappealing based on his handcuffs at Iowa. So this is, as all OC jobs are, a potential stepping stone job.

I am also increasingly under the impression that Kirk was not thrilled KOK left. I think he doesn’t begrudge him that choice, but I don’t think he liked it.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 14, 2012 12:10 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

By the way, I've always felt that good OCs are more artist

than scientist. Whereas I find DCs to be better when they are more scientist than artist. Or maybe I’ve been watching too much Frontline.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 14, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Well said

Parker= Linus Pauling
KOK= Guy Who Struggled to Follow the “Draw Fred Flintstone” Directions on the back of a candy wrapper?

by TangerinePony on Feb 14, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I really like this comment

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Feb 14, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

So Soup as OC

Ferentz as OL and Raih as QB coach?

I guess we’ll find out on March 22nd.

by PackerHawk on Feb 14, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

On Iowa pod seemed to think that it might not be an internal hire...

Although, both Doc & Mas Casa said they have no clue what’s going on and haven’t heard a peep.

by Ill Jukes on Feb 14, 2012 12:21 PM CST reply actions  

Just listened to that

My objections to bringing in B. Ferentz are known. But if they bring him AND some lackluster outside hire as OC, then this will be a truly bungled opportunity.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 14, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the point here is that KF does not see these coordinator hires as an opportunity

but an obligation that is cutting into his recruiting, tax filings, and ability to watch a backlog of “I Survived” episodes.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 14, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish he'd just get it over with

instead of procrastinating.

"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass

by chitownhawkeye on Feb 14, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

Dochtermen and Morehouse had a lot of the stereotypical Iowa insularity in that podcast. Which is unusual for them, at least. Listening to them kind of pooh-pooh the Campbell idea, I just got the sense that they didn’t think Campbell was qualified for the position. The reason given was that he didn’t have “experience” calling an offense. Which is true. But the way it was discussed, it seemed more like Campbell was out, and they agreed with the reasoning, more because he was “new” and not an “Iowa guy”; that this lack of experience wouldn’t be an issue for someone who had been more of an Iowa legacy. I mean, how many offenses or defenses did Ferentz call before he was hired?

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 14, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

to recycle a previous bhgmeme

1) promote phil
2) promote soup
3) ?
4) win division

Son of a bitch, I'm sick of these dolphins.
@keepitupguys

by sailorjerry on Feb 14, 2012 12:35 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

someone had a great comment a couple weeks ago

and then ross used it well after that. definitely originates with southpark, i’m clearly in love with it. the mindset about this whole process is just hilarious. i say process because it’s very clear now that ‘change’ is too strong a word. could’ve gone with something more like this.

1) move great position coach away from that position
2) promote from within for coordinator vacancies
3) ?
4) improve to 1-1 with minnesota and jNW.

Son of a bitch, I'm sick of these dolphins.
@keepitupguys

by sailorjerry on Feb 14, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

If it is anyone other than Campbell that gets the nod

it had better be a high-profile, big-name, no-brainer type hire where the collective response of the fanbase is “WOW! We actually got that guy?” Otherwise, this is just stupid.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 14, 2012 12:42 PM CST reply actions  

this

Son of a bitch, I'm sick of these dolphins.
@keepitupguys

by sailorjerry on Feb 14, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

The chances of this happening are likely less than zero. wouldn't you think?

As mentioned earlier, we don’t pay well. We apparently won’t pay well. We also don’t invite outsiders, haven’t invited outsiders in years. And finally, no one who is proven to be any good is out on the market at this point in the proceedings and if they are then they are not very good then are they or they are so high priced we could never afford them? So, prepare to be pissed.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 14, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

If it's Campbell

I’m not pissed. At all. If it’s someone else, maybe. And if is ANYONE ELSE from the current coaches, I’m marching to Iowa City and burning Ferentz’s house down.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 14, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

i do

do

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 14, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

he said doo-doo!

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Feb 14, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, he said

“Do, Do” Clearly, SMA was responding melodically via a double use of the first note of the musical scale

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 14, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking he we trying to say

“doh, doh” as a tribute to Homer Simpson.

DRUNJIFORNICATION

by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Feb 14, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

We have a better chance of personally discovering the Higg's boson with a toy magnet, some baling wire, and a AA battery

Than Kirk going outside the program for a big time hire.

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

http://www.thebirdcult.net

by The Bird Cult on Feb 14, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Mission accepted

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 15, 2012 8:44 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm going to say no

There is still a ton of money to be spent on salaries in the athletic department, they just don’t seem to do it. Then again, it’s a chicken and egg scenario. Do you pay low coordinator salaries because you don’t have the big names, or do you not get the big names because you don’t pay coordinators well? Also, it appears pay isn’t a problem for retention over the years (unless you count Coach K who left for a “raise” equivalent to one free dinner at Buffalo Wild Wings [hyperbole/SFont]).

by PackerHawk on Feb 15, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, because I was SOOOOOOOOO LIVID

about the Parker hire/promotion

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Find me one, just one

post where I expressed displeasure in the Parker hire itself. I was put off by the process/length of time, but had no objection whatsoever to Phil getting the job

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 14, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

How is that saying you weren't angry?

You just admitted you had angry comments about the process/length. That’s clearly part of the hire/promotion

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Feb 14, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm being overly-precise, to be sure

in that I am saying that I was (1) not angry/upset about the hire but (2) didn’t like the manner (how long it took) to be completed. This was in response to what I perceived NorseHawk’s opinion to be, namely that he was saying that regardless of outcome I would be angry with the person hired

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 14, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

You would be surprised

by just how incredibly slow to anger I am in life.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 14, 2012 7:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, you were scary calm

Although I’ll bet you went through a box of # 2 pencils snapping them in half like some psycho killer snapping necks tho

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

http://www.thebirdcult.net

by The Bird Cult on Feb 14, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's just say

that a disturbing number of Richmond-area ladies of the night are now off the streets. Permanently.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 14, 2012 7:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

So you're also on the #Peyton4OC bandwagon?

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I would not object to that

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

He's about as likely as Gary Payton, but I can dream

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Feb 14, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe, if he (Peyton) ends up at Miami

O’Keefe and Philbin can put in good words for us

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 14, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Put in a good word to Sean Payton, also

/drools

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Feb 14, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

The "collective response of the fanbase" is irrelevant.

What matters is if a good hire is made. Not how fans on the internet react the day it is announced. Especially when it comes to assistant coaches. We really don’t know shit.

Short of it being an obvious home run (we got Chris Petersen as OC!) or an unfathomable blunder (we hired Jerry Sandusky? For offensive coordinator????), our immediate reaction doesn’t matter.

And what does it matter if this hire is announced tomorrow or a month for now? Other than our angst over the process dragging on, which will be forgotten quickly anyway.

by H I McDonnough on Feb 14, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Re-reading my post

I fear it comes off that I am saying why bother speculating, or that I am not into this whole thing. I am and I am dying to know just like everyone else. Just saying that the hire can’t be made based upon whether the fans get up and cheer at the announcement.

by H I McDonnough on Feb 14, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I think it's a good response

I’ve been somewhat surprised at the constant drone of negativity from Vint and SMA on these hires.

It’s KF’s ass on the line going forward. And yeah, his seat isn’t hot now. But he’s smart enough to realize that replacing both coordinators on the heels of ho-hum seasons that have the fanbase grumbling has the potentioal to be career-defining decisions.

Get these right – and get Iowa football back to competing for conference championships – and you will go down as one of the icons of Iowa football history, and perhaps one of the best Big 10 coaches of this generation. Screw up these hires and watch the program stall out and sputter like the tailend of the Fry era, and you are likely on your way out in a few years and will be remembered for a few great seasons and a BCS bowl win amidst a whole bunch of “meh”.

So criticising the length of the decision making process, presumably because you are IMPATIENT as a fan, seems beyond ludicrous to me.

And maybe it’s naive and misplaced ,but I have faith in a guy that has twice brought the Iowa football program out of a pretty bad trough to get to BCS bowl and conference winning territory to make the right decisions.

by Torbee on Feb 14, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I merely think KF lacks the kind of bold action that often leads to wildly successful outcomes

but in doing so he also avoids potential disaster. I have no idea if Soup will be good or not (should he be hired). Nor do I have any idea if the new Parker will be the same (in terms of results) as the old Parker. But, you’re right, I’m seeing a guy who is more concerned with creating seamless transitions than redecorating. I’m very open to all this working out. But I am also expecting, as this point, for things to kind of keep going as they have been.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 14, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I am sure, for example, KF looks over at Maryland and says, "Yeah. Big shock there. Drop the 9-4 guy in favor

of the “hot” guy and you end up with a program that is disintegrating faster than yard mulch." Which it is.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 14, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Somebody needs to mark this down

I believe this is first time in history Randy Edsall has been called “the hot guy.”

by Jon Berg on Feb 14, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that was a mistake they will rue

about the end of next year when Leach is beating Oregon with players most programs didn’t even view film on and Edsall is losing to William & Mary (two different games).

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 14, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a fair concern to have, and I'd be lying if I said it doesn't concern me . . .

That said, my experience as a fan watching KF for the past decade-plus is that what seems counterintuitive, head-scratching and boring – often works out crazily well.

Remember, when his staff was first assembled, it was laughed at. And when they struggled the first two years, it was self-evident to EVERYONE that Ferentz was very dumb in handing out jobs to old cronies with small school experience or has-beens and he put loyalty ahead of his own best interests. Then they started winning. And winning. And winning.

Maybe it’s because I shared a newsroom with Don Doxie for many of those years, but I’ve seen media types, other fans, and even myself have to eat my crow as Ferentz proves there is a method to his madness.

I am banking on the fact he’s got a few more such moves up his sleeves. The dude is not old, and the game hasn’t passed him by, and I think we all wildly underestimate his will to win and what drives him.

by Torbee on Feb 14, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree with something here

but I am having a hard time putting my finger on just what it is. Maybe, I am setting up a straw man here but it seems that your opinion on these things sometimes could be summed up as “it is not bold so it is not right or good”.

I don’t think that good decisions have to make a huge splash, they don’t have to be extremely “bold”.What matters is the results it produces, it is very possible that Phil Parker will be an absolute flop in his new position but I also think it is every bit as possible that (Insert name of sexy bold move here) would be an absolute flop in our program.

Maybe I am misreading you but it seems that you sometimes assign value to things based upon the excitement you or other fans feel upon hearing the announcement. I trust Ferentz is a good coach with the best interests of our program at heart, if he says that Phil Parker is well qualified and will do a good job then I will usually trust him.

/end incoherent rambling

DRUNJIFORNICATION

by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Feb 14, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think you're creating a strawman since you're actually trying to understand what he's saying.

That’s definitely different.

I obviously don’t know what SMA is thinking, but it seems that’s it’s not something that’s necessarily bad. Making the no-name hire isn’t a bad thing, or wrong, thing, it just allows only the slimmest chance that something great can happen for it. Big splash could equal big fail, but it could also equal big success. Small splash means unlikely chance of a big fail, but it also means unlikely chance of a big success.

Now, if you’re the New England Patriots where you’re humming along on offense virtually every year, keeping things status quo seems like a good idea. You don’t hire Mike Leach to be your offensive coordinator to go along with Tom Brady because it might create some great offensive mind. It’s more likely that the personalities class, and it ends up in flames.

But if you’re Iowa, in which your offense has finished in the Top 5 of the conference only twice in the past 9 years, and, in fact, have finished in the bottom-four in league offense over the same time span, maybe merely settling for the status quo isn’t quite such a good idea.

Anyway, if I were SMA I wouldn’t say that sticking with the safe, attempting-status-quo choice is necessarily bad in-and-of-itself, but if your status quo is actually… not good, it probably is. You should probably try to do something other than just sticking with being a bottom-half-of-the-B1G offense.

For defense, it’s been good enough, long enough, an attempt at status quo probably* isn’t a bad idea. Offense is a different matter, though.

meh

by tyger1147 on Feb 14, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Small splash means unlikely chance of a big fail, but it also means unlikely chance of a big success.

For a program that hired the head coach from Maine who had never even won much there, I think this route should be completely unsurprising.

I also think you’re overstating the odds. Since every coach starts somewhere schools have to take a chance on coordinators or HCs. Now, we need to quantify “slimmest of chances” (1%, 5%, 0.2%) and “success” (improvement, 10 wins, 40pts/game, draft picks).

by PackerHawk on Feb 15, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm suggesting that KF's offensive philosophy

which served him extremely well in the first half of his career has kind of become a bit outmoded or at the very least, so well understood by the competition as to have become a competitive disadvantage. He needs someone who can leverage KF’s desire to out-execute but also bring in some fresh ideas.

I was talking though not only about hiring practices, but in-game calls as well. KF is classically conventional by football standards of today, and conservative. I don’t think it is even debatable at this point. He is a modern day Bo Schembechler or Woody Hayes. Well, of course it is debatable but I’m trying to make a point.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 15, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

So how do you explain Kirk doing the polar plunge, then?

Hmmm?

I mean, jumping in cold water at the drop of a hat in the winter in Iowa?

I’ll bet he’s got some six point beer in his fridge, too, that we don’t know about, next to the O’Douls. He’s a wild and crazy guy.

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

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by The Bird Cult on Feb 14, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

How much more bold can you get than replacing the OC and DC in the same offseason?

I don’t disagree with what you said, I’m just thinking out loud and asking myself as much as asking the public. Ken O’Keefe was a problem, he left. The D was getting beaten, somewhat new (and I guess this takes the boldness out of it) DC and staff re-assignments are now happening. Those are pretty big changes for a Kirk Ferentz staff, and I think they are changes that we will eventually welcome. The youth of the team will probably lead to more losses than the staff, much as the lack of talent and experience led to losses this year.

As for Morgan going to the D Line, I think this has more to do with the fact that Kaczinski was not on the same page as the rest of the staff and they wanted someone in charge who was really In Charge. Ferentz is as good of an O Line coach as Morgan, if not more so, and it could be the only thing that is changing with Morgan is his job title.

by hawkinsandmelrose on Feb 14, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

See, I see a head coach who is keeping his philosophy totally intact visa vis his hiring decisions

with almost no new ideas walking in the door. You can rearrange the furniture but the look will be mostly the same. Nothing wrong with it but let’s not act as if this is in anyway some kind of overhaul (at this point anyway). I’m curious to see if he brings in an outside for the OC gig. I hope so, but am not holding my breath. I like Soup and hope he rocks the place. He’s as close to a fresh ideas guy as KF might have right now.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 15, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't speak for everyone, but my problem is not impatience in the short term.

Let’s look at the larger picture then shall we? This isn’t about the last two years, this is about the trend since the last significant shakeup of the staff. Look at the average/below average seasons, throw in a few horrendus off seasons and the player attrition issues; look at it all and tell us it doesn’t feel like B-/C+ work. Not great, but not terrible, some bright spots and mostly just phoning it in there. If you want to be a B-/C+ program great that’s fine, be one of those guys that shrugs and says “we’re just Iowa.” But some of us don’t want to be that guy.

Some of us want to beat the shit out of Iowa State, Northwestern and Minnesota. Some of us want to show up on the road. Some of us want to occasionally score points to win games as opposed to praying for turnovers.

Was Parker a bad hire? No, it was rational and predictable, not sexy but certainly not dangerous, a B. It was a B that gets docked to B- purely for the ridiculous timing/handling (probably because we were waiting for someone else). It’s the maddening pace at which we seem to be embracing mediocrity that drives some of us up the wall. It’s not ok that Kirk has a losing record to Iowa State. It’s not ok that we are all bracing for another 7 or less win season (his 6th out of the last 8 with what is consistently one of the easiest schedules in the B1G). I think Kirk is great and he has been the man for us, I don’t want him fired but I really don’t understand the die hard supporters right now. WE HAVE PROBLEMS. We have problems and the man in charge is treating this like it’s a hassle finding someone to pick up his dry cleaning when we need him to go spend the money and buy two new suits.

Son of a bitch, I'm sick of these dolphins.
@keepitupguys

by sailorjerry on Feb 14, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Timing ( or lack of it ) matters

The fan base becomes impatient when they watch tOSU and Wisky reinvent their staffs in a week’s time. The lack of pace in IC implies that there is an internal problem. Not sure that there is a problem, only that it would be easy to assume there is one when the other programs move at an faster pace.

I think KF will come out of this with some very unspectacular hires. We’d be lucky to have it be Soup. I also think those same hires will bring the Hawks back to double-digit wins in no time. Indicative of how little the fan actually knows.

I like the part above about us wanting KF to go out and buy two new suits. I was hoping that this would be an excuse for KF to revamp the pay rates for all the coaches. He could have made it a PR coup by arranging it arouind a bit of a pay cut for himself. And please – keep in mind – that I’ve always thought and said that whatever KF earns from the UI is nobody’s business other then his. It’s all monopoly money and none of it comes out of the general budget.

I just know that he and his wife made a generous donation to the UI Hospitals and that he is aware of PR and the potential negatives around his high salary.

Hope it is Soup and I hope this Raih kid gets promoted. And I wish it was announced already.

by Vandy's Mom Digs Me on Feb 14, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Swimming suits?

He just went swimming in a frozen lake. Maybe a new swimming suit IS in order.

by hawkinsandmelrose on Feb 14, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

So long as the staff is in place

prior to the start of Spring Practice, then you’re right, it doesn’t matter when.

And the ability/talent of the OC-to-be named is the most important thing. What I’m trying to convey is my feeling that (1) Soup would be an excellent OC; (2) if he is not named OC, we will lose him; (3) that will have an immediate and desultory effect on the offense; so that (4) whomever it goes to not named Soup better be pretty fucking good. As in, a can’t-miss type coach. Because if he’s not, THEN the fan reaction will matter. If KF fucks this up, with such a no-brainer option available, I think a sizable portion of the fanbase will, and should, begin to start questioning him. Ferentz goes on, often, about how great the Iowa fanbase is, and it is. Its support is what pays his rather substantial salary. He’d be well advised not to needless antagonize the fans; surrounding himself with nothing but loyalists is not the way to go about this.

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by HoyaGoon on Feb 14, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Please refrain from bringing salary into any points being made.

It takes away from the argument, and you bring up some good points. It’s irrelevant to any argument we can ever have. Who cares? Really?

Why don’t we discuss how his pay will likely set the tone for his replacement. His current salary makes Iowa a more attractive destination for the next head coach, possibly an NFL assistant, position coach, etc. They wouldn’t take a pay cut to take a job at a college program. Possible, but not very likely. Just saying.

by hawkinsandmelrose on Feb 14, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I think playcalling

Is overrated in the iowa/KF offense. KOK was running a spread before he came here if my sources are correct. The hire is going to be made on the basis of the candidates ability to develop players in between games/seasons moreso than the offensive performance on saturdays.

by The KF Karate Chop on Feb 14, 2012 2:47 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

Spread = a type of offensive system

Playcalling generally refers to calling individual plays within an offense and how they relate to each other. Playcalling and Systems are different. Therefore, it shouldn’t matter as much what system KOK ran before he was OC at Iowa as related to his playcalling abilities at Iowa.

Playcalling in the slow playaction offense Iowa runs is extremely important. Our offense is based on gaining 5-7 yds on 1st down, which throws the defense off on 2nd and 3rd down, as they don’t know whether we will run or pass (or, oh my god, play action pass?!?! Is that legal?!?!). Besides 1st down (which predictably is a run or a short pass), you need to not be predictable. KOK was extremely predictable on all downs = plethora of KOK effigies.

Besides this, I thought KOK did almost every other aspect of his job very well.

by TangerinePony on Feb 14, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I know what playcalling is.

But if you wanted to hire the best playcaller, you would probably pick someone who had extensive experience in that system. That leads me to believe (along with just watching the program over the years) that KF leans towards coaching kids up until they “execute” plays perfectly and you don’t lean on playcalling as much as development. I’m not saying playcalling isn’t important. I wish we had better playcalling too. But I think KF’s emphasis is on development.. so it doesn’t matter as much whether the OC has called plays before or not. It depends on how he develops players. Note: I don’t necessarily agree with this but it’s how I think KF thinks to a degree.

by The KF Karate Chop on Feb 14, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed, I just wanted to jab KOK's playcalling abilities one more time.

Playcalling at Iowa not as important as executing = true. Which supports the above thesis that Campbell would be great for this job.

by TangerinePony on Feb 15, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, KOK is an old school OC

the new school is an OC who embodies a system. Certainly many OCs from the 1980s seemed pass oriented or run oriented but Bill Walsh took the whole systems branding to a new level and eventually we are where we are today. KOK could coach any offense I believe.

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by StoopsMyAss on Feb 14, 2012 3:05 PM CST reply actions  

reply fail

this was to the chop

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by StoopsMyAss on Feb 14, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's clear this up

KOK called 90% or more of the actual plays

Right?

If so, most of the predictable play calling should fall on KOK. Kirk told him be conservative, not be an idiot. Vint, you can blame Kirk for alot of stuff, but not playcalling. And not for hanging his OC or any other coach out to dry. Which he rarely does.

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by TangerinePony on Feb 14, 2012 3:38 PM CST reply actions  

Meh

If KOK is told by his boss to call conservative plays that is by definition going to become fairly predictable. I am firmly in the KOK was (for the most part) doing what he was asked camp.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Feb 14, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

See, I look all the whole KOK leaving completely differently than most of you

Yes, he tossed his hat in the ring at a couple of “meh” jobs (IU and UConn) last season, but I think that he was VERY much on the hot seat with Kirk, actually – Norm could have been amputated from the neck down and plopped into some kind of DC Comics robot/life support system and Kirk would have had him coaching until the supply of AAs dried up.

Coaches that are KOK’s age and around as long as he was at Iowa… I don’t think he was actually that serious about the HC positions, but I think Kirk made it very clear to him that the offense needed to improve this season given the letdown of 2010 – even with a new QB. It was so fucking uneven I think he grabbed this job, because I honestly think Kirk would’ve given him the boot if the offense sucked again this year…

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by The Bird Cult on Feb 14, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Reporters who talked to Kirk

said they got the general impression that he was not happy with O Keefe leaving. Based on Kirk’s loyalty, I doubt KOK would have been given the boot.

by TangerinePony on Feb 15, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

this makes a lot of sense to me

I think KOK kind of blindsided Kirk. It explains a lot of Kirk’s behavior if that is true.

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by StoopsMyAss on Feb 15, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Honestly, i think Soup is the best option

also i dont know why Ferentz the younger would want to leave an NFL team for a college team unless hes getting the OC position, well outside of family reasons anyway.

then again, maybe Soup doesnt want a higher position? maybe he just wants to finish his career as the Iowa WR coach?

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Feb 14, 2012 5:58 PM CST reply actions  

I think it's pretty well known

that Soup wants to be a head coach. If he’s not up at Iowa, he’ll be gone this time next year

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by HoyaGoon on Feb 14, 2012 8:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I think you're underestimating his character

From my impressions of him he’ll stick around for a year, do his job at the same high level he has since arriving, and then go on the job market. He’s not Coach K.

by PackerHawk on Feb 15, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

but he will be in even higher demand at the end of next season and could very well get offered a job that will require him to leave before any bowl game Iowa might be in.

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by HoyaGoon on Feb 15, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I could see this

But I’d still put that in the “end of the season” in a hair splitting way.

by PackerHawk on Feb 15, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I have no doubt that, if he gets passed over, Soup will coach this upcoming season, and approach it with the same professionalism and excellence he’s shown so far. But A LOT of schools will take a run at him for their OC or possibly head coach positions. And this time they’ll be able to whisper “You’re never going to be the man at Iowa, just look at what happened.” That does not bode well.

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by HoyaGoon on Feb 15, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't imagine how unbearable message boards would have been in the 80s/90s when there was so much turnover on the Iowa staff.

I would hate to lose Soup because he’s an excellent position coach, a strong recruiter, and (possibly) a good offensive coordinator, but if he leaves, he leaves. I’ve never expected him to stay at Iowa forever.

While KF certainly has flaws, he’s generally made savvy hires for the coaching staff so far.

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by RossWB on Feb 15, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

this

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by therealCatnuts on Feb 15, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I really haven’t had any problems with the hirings this year (or even recent past). I am a little wary, however, if some of the staff shake-up was done, even if only in part, to clear room for little Ferentz. Not because I think Brian is a horrible coach, we don’t know yet, but because I think such a move would be to serve Kirk’s long-term interests rather than the program’s.

Also, I really want Soup to get the job, I’m hopeful that he could bring some of the Michigan from 2000-2007 offensive production to Iowa.

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by HoyaGoon on Feb 15, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Of all the candidates so far, I think I like Soup the most.

So I certainly wouldn’t be opposed (at all) to him getting the job.

I’m indifferent right now on the Lil’ Ferentz business. The potential is there for some Bowden-style rot via nepotism, but I like his experience under Belichick and he does seem like a pretty bright young coaching mind. But it’s probably better for all involved if he stays out there for another year or two.

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by RossWB on Feb 15, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you on all those points

I think Brian would benefit from being in NE for 1-2 more seasons, then going somewhere else, then possibly coming back to Iowa. It’s one thing to look like a coaching genius while a subordinate at New England, but it’s another to prove yourself elsewhere. Even if it were for a shitty team, Brian would probably benefit from having experience from driving and fixing a broken-down Yugo rather than simply being driven in a chauffeured Rolls Royce.

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by HoyaGoon on Feb 15, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you on this topic

But there’s also the reality that if he leaves NE and then goes and proves himself again elsewhere, he’s never coming to Iowa at that point. He’ll be too valuable

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by therealCatnuts on Feb 15, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

So be it

and I would wish nothing but the best for him if that were to occur.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Feb 15, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you really think Kirk's the type of guy that would do that?

He wouldn’t let his son onto a lifeboat unless he had good credentials and a conservative mindset.

by TangerinePony on Feb 15, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

You assume

We’ll see

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by HoyaGoon on Feb 15, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope he stays

But I still harbor a Soup as O then Ferentz replacement in 4-5 years idea. This is based on nothing but idle speculation but he needs to be OC first.

by PackerHawk on Feb 15, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I just saw on either hawkeyenation or hawkeyereport that Tom Moore was in the Football Offices.

1)Tom Moore is 73/74 and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too old to be coaching or recruiting at the college level.
2) Tom Moore (and this is key, very, very key) is the name of the U of I Spokesperson. With all the announcements that have been announced and yet to be announced, my guess is he is doing a lot of announcements about announcements.

Erik Campbell is the next OC. No facts or information to base that on, just the fact that Soup is the shit and I was right (not hard to guess) on the Phil Parker promotion.

by hawkinsandmelrose on Feb 14, 2012 10:00 PM CST reply actions  

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