Caring Is Creepy 2012: Have a Seat, Alex Kozan
by Patrick Vint on Jan 30, 2012 8:01 AM CST
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Four-star recruits generally don't land at Iowa after the start of a new year. For whatever reason (gameday visits, general mentality of "Iowa guys"), until yesterday, Iowa's top-rated recruits commit during the fall. In fact, until yesterday, Iowa had gone five years since landing a four-star commitment in January or February (Cedric Everson).
Until yesterday. Late last night, Iowa landed the commitment of Alex Kozan, offensive guard out of Castle Rock, Colorado. Kozan (4* Rivals, 4* ESPN, 3* Scout, 3* 24/7) chose Iowa over Michigan and Auburn; he also held offers from a long list of BCS programs, including Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Oregon, South Carolina, and most of the rest of the Big 12 and Pac-12. He's already 6'4" and 295 pounds, and is a definite interior lineman despite playing tackle in high school.
Kozan's commitment not only comes at a time when Iowa usually doesn't get players of his caliber, but also from a region where Iowa doesn't usually go. In fact, Kozan is Iowa's first four-star commitment from west of the Great Plains during the Kirk Ferentz era, and the first non-JUCO commitment from the American West since Casey McMillan in 2008 (I say "American West" because Johnny Mullings is here from the Outback, which I suppose is west of everything). Reese Morgan, who is usually deployed in Iowa and eastern Nebraska but didn't have much to do this year once Amara Darboh had rejected Iowa, was the primary recruiter here. This had a dual effect: It gave Iowa the advantage of having one of its best recruiters dedicated almost exclusively to Kozan (and fellow Coloradan Joey O'Connor) down the stretch, and it put Kozan in direct and constant contact with his eventual position coach. It was Iowa putting its best foot forward in every conceivable way, and it worked despite all historical evidence to the contrary. It's a huge commitment for this class (now with more four-star prospects than any class since 2007) and a much-needed win for the coaching staff in a month of bad news.
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This is super great.
Johnson, Ekakite, Ward, Kozan…
I wouldn’t mind getting 4-star DB’s, WR’s, QB’s, but if you’re only going to get a handful, I like getting them on the lines.
(Garmon is another good get, of course, I still have hope for Lambert)
meh
I'm a little worried
about the lack of WRs in general in this class, especially given the dearth next year and even more so after that with the departure of Marcus Grant and Keenan Davis (after this year)
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I kind of agree, although they have recruited 3 in this class so far (Mabin, Wilson, Smith)...
And might get a 4th (Thomas). It would be nice if Shumpert or Cotton would breakout in 2012. If not, we’re going to be relying on true freshmen or a walk-on (Staggs, Nielsen, Haluska?) to be productive.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
This is the make or break year for Cotton and Shumpert
as both will be juniors (Cotton a RS). Losing Grant really hurt as it seems like the coaches were high on him, I hope Hillyer comes through, as he is the only one with prototypical size for a WR.
I was under the impression that Thomas was a defensive back. Am I wrong on this?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Ian Thomas?
The Iowa Rivals site is considering him a WR. He might be one of these athlete-types that could go either way. I’d say the need is slightly greater at WR right now.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Good point about the need
didn’t realize he was listed that way (as a WR).
This is going to end up a rather large class by Iowa standards (but tiny by SEC standards).
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I think they're going to wind up with a full 25 commits (or very close).
Which is kind of interesting since we technically don’t have room for all those guys at the moment according to the scholarship charts. Leads me to believe that the coaches are aware of some impending attrition, so I might want to dust off the ol’ Gone Baby Gone template…
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Well, you figure we're going to lose AT LEAST one more RB
and that 25 figure doesn’t include Andre Dawson and Malloy being brought in as walk-ons.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
With Kozan (and, apparently, Nate Meier too), it looks like we're at 85/85 scholarships right now.
So technically we would have no room for anyone else in this class. Since it seems like they’re still looking to add at least 1-2 more recruits, they must be confident that a few someones on the team now are going to jet.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Who's Nate Meier?
and is Kozan the last of the Oline recruits were going to take?
Personally, I’m just relieved that Jaleel Johnson is back to being solid with Iowa.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Meier's an 8-man kid from Iowa.
Projects at FB/LB/DE, I guess.
And, yeah, I think Kozan is it at OL.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Did not know that about Johnson, good to hear
I’m glad y’all are tied in enough to recruiting so that I don’t have to be.
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by therealCatnuts on Jan 30, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
I try not to be
but it’s kind of hard for me to avoid during January as I need my college football fix and that’s about all that is going on.
As for Johnson, he had an in-home meeting with the MSU coaches last week but then cancelled his as-of-then scheduled official visit to MSU that was supposed to take place this past weekend and has re-iterated his commitment to Iowa.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
And then presumably had a long shower to wash off the Dantonio stink
/avoids putting in picture from Crying Game or Ace Ventura
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by therealCatnuts on Jan 30, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Meier's a walk-on, though, isn't he?
So he shouldn’t count against the 85 this year.
by The Mexican't on Jan 30, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
According to MasCasa
He sounds like a good kid and a possible diamond-in-the-rough type, but this makes me a little nervous
Iowa is looking at him as a running back, fullback, linebacker and defensive end.This could mean he’s versatile, or it could mean that he really doesn’t fit in anywhere (jack of all trades, master of none).
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Lets be honest
That template has collected no dust.
DRUNJIFORNICATION
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jan 30, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I hope Haluska becomes a star
Otherwise, my Haluska jersey (which is to say, my repurposed Sash jersey) is kind of dumb.
by The Naked Bootleg on Jan 30, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Just say it's a vintage Mo Brown jersey.
(This is why my #7 jersey is so great: it can represent McNutt AND Banks. Win-win!)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
And Reggie Roby! Win-win-win for you!
by The Naked Bootleg on Jan 30, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
That's true.
That’s a nice hat trick of Hawkeye greats.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Jermire Roberts!
What?
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by SomeJerkPoster on Jan 30, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
I'm still bitter at him because it always bothered me to see him in 2002 and think Brad Banks was on kick coverage.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yes, they really needed to give that second #7 to somebody different
somebody that didn’t look almost exactly like Banks in pads.
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by therealCatnuts on Jan 30, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Staggs seems to have great hands.
So he might not be too bad an option, I guess.
"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion - however satisfying and reassuring."
by Bucketochicken on Jan 30, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
I hope so
though with only 5 career catches, he is not what one could called “proven”
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah, but he caught all five!
"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion - however satisfying and reassuring."
by Bucketochicken on Jan 30, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Not to mention the big-star OLs from the last couple years as well
And I agree entirely that if we’re going to only get a few stud recruits, I want them on the lines.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 30, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
the past two-three years have seen a LOT of highly-touted Olinemen sign on. Will be interesting to see our line in 2 years or so (on paper, it should be the most highly-talented line since Kirk got here).
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Hooray for good news in the offseason!
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All glory is fleeting.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 30, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
Wow that's pretty damn pessimistic for you.
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by therealCatnuts on Jan 30, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah.
I just wanted to quote “Patton” again.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 30, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
It seems like we haven’t had a class like this in a couple years. 6 4-Star guys according ot ESPN?
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Garmon, Ward, Ekakitie, Kozan, Fleming, Johnson
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 30, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
Poor Casey Mac...
Signs with Iowa, kidnapped by aliens, never heard from again.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Jan 30, 2012 8:54 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Still don't know why
he hasn’t been turned into a DT. With that size, and being buried on the depth chart with little hope to seeing the field on O, you’d think he’d be switched over, if only to provide another body in a depleted position.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I believe Morehouse said that Mas Casa was moved to DT for bowl prep.
I guess we’ll find out this spring if that was a permanent move. It would make sense, though, given the dire need for beef on that line and the fact that he’s likely buried behind several guys at offensive guard.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Jan 30, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is it a conflict of interest for a reporter to be covering a team for which he plays?
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
by Lycurgus on Jan 30, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Not if he has an alter ego!
(And… d’oh. I meant Morehouse said that CASEY MAC had moved to DT, of course.)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Jan 30, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just gonna go back to writing my wrestling recap now.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Jan 30, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Good news: WE WON!
And everything Mike Evans. The rest is maybe not such good news.
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by therealCatnuts on Jan 30, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting
I missed that. But good to hear, if it’s true. I remember Dochterman, on a number of podcasts with Morehouse, expressing his bewilderment why none of the excess O-linemen (Casey Mac being the prime example) that were unlikely to ever see the field on O not being moved to the D-line given their size and our crippling need. Even if they don’t really pan out there, it would at least give us much-needed spare bodies (Dochterman’s thought was "just teach them to eat up a block or two and it’s a success all things considered)
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah.
I remember when they tried to do that with Rashad Dunn a few years ago… didn’t work out for him, but it couldn’t hurt to try. Removing Casey Mac from the OG mix isn’t going to hurt our depth there too much (there are probably 2-3 guys ahead of him at bot hspots) and, who knows, maybe he’ll take to DT like a, um, bear to honey.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I just really
really, really, REALLY like the idea of Big Montana bursting through the line for a sack.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Maybe he can just pick up a corner and throw him at the QB for a sack.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Jan 30, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That may not be legal
But it should be
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by therealCatnuts on Jan 30, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
It may not be
but the only way to know for sure is to try. That flag would be totally worth it
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 30, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Great idea.
Or, we could convert one of the 80 TEs we have, to DE. It would take forever, but…
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 30, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
I realize that could sound sarcastic.
I meant “great idea” in a genuine way.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 30, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Funny thing is
we’ve lost a few of our TEs over the years (I remember the 2008/9 recruiting class seemed to be made up entirely of TEs and LBs, the irony is sickening).
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Brett Bielema
Is shaking in his red fucking sweat suit.
I said I have a DRINKING PROBLEM!!
by bornofclay on Jan 30, 2012 9:09 AM CST via mobile reply actions
That's just some bad cheese.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Jan 30, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I imagine people in Colorado has their own flyover poster (ala the one from NYC)
that looks out across America from the highest peak and when it looks east the first thing you see the Sears Tower. So, yeah, this is a pretty interesting get by Iowa. The thing I have always admired about Ferentz is how effectively he uses battle commander strategy when recruiting. He cannot fight a battle on too many fronts because he just doesn’t have the bodies. So while Ohio State and Michigan and now Nebraska are recruiting nationally and in all likelihood overlooking some very good talent that is right under their noses, Iowa very often finds those unappreciated players. Ferentz one time shared the list of all-pro NFL players that played at MAC schools and smaller and said he sometimes thought he should just sit around and do no recruiting until he’s had the opportunity to see who Northern Illinois and the like have received commitments from and then go try to steal them (in other words, forget about trying to beat out USC for a tackle from Colorado, beat out Central Missouri for a tackle from Independence)
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
It wouldn't be a bad strategy
although it would be kind of dickish. If it works though, and you get better, then you start getting legitimate interest from 5 stars because they want to play where they have a shot at a championship, and you are now one of those places.
Heck, Oregon had Phil Knight build them crazy facilites and recruits started taking visits just to see the buildings. Then, a few said they wanted to go there, they got a little better, and they got a positive feedback loop. All we need is John Pappajohn to stop building academic stuff and hospital wings and give us ebony and gold plated toilets in the locker rooms.. Is he even still alive?
When the NFL guys do their introductions, for every Top 10 program there is at least one guy from Podunk Directional. I’ve thought for a long time that you could build a national powerhouse out of two stars, you just have to find the right two stars.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
If Pappajohn isn't around, maybe the Carver family will pony up for those blinged out commodes.
When the NFL guys do their introductions, for every Top 10 program there is at least one guy from Podunk Directional. I’ve thought for a long time that you could build a national powerhouse out of two stars, you just have to find the right two stars.
Yep. We’ve had plenty of success stories there (Bob Sanders, Jovon Johnson, Mike Daniels to name a few) and you can certainly watch a few MAC games and see a player or three that would look real good in black and gold. (Who wouldn’t have enjoyed watching Chandler Harnish at QB for Iowa? Then again, he probably would have been converted to LB if he’d come here, so… never mind.)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That's the catch.
you could build a national powerhouse out of two stars, you just have to find the right two stars.
Everyone remembers the two-(or less) star players who make good, but forget the many, many more that never pan out.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah, when you recruit nothing but two-stars you're apt to wind up as, well, a MAC team.
Which would be a bit of a problem seeing as Iowa is in the Big Ten…
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Indiana has been doing this for years
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by therealCatnuts on Jan 30, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
To smashing success!
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
*only against Iowa
/still bitter.
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by therealCatnuts on Jan 30, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
This
There’s just a much higher percentage of higher-rated guys that make it. To not notice that is fooling yourself.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 30, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
ESPN actually has a very good explanation
of what their ratings “mean”. The link is below (not sure if it is behind a paywall or not). But, to summarize, basically a 5-star is a kid that has the ability to play right away, and play at a high level (possible All-American as a freshmen, almost definite AA while in college) while a 4-star is someone who can contribute immediately, but perhaps not as a starter.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=6635735
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I guess that also explains why 5-star ratings are so heavily skewed towards skill players
If that is indeed their criteria, there are very few guys that can contribute immediately on OL/DL in any big program
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by therealCatnuts on Jan 30, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
And let's not kid ourselves
even if a guy has the pure size to play on the line as a freshman, he’ll get killed by players who have the skill set to properly block, shed blocks, etc.
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 30, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
The Dallas Morning News had a story looking back at the 2007 top recruits from the State of Texas and where all these guys ended up. One was Von Miller, the rest were mostly never-was’s. It made me realize that while Iowa’s attrition is crap, we’re not alone.
The SBNation mother ship
has some interesting articles on recruiting as well, particularly blue-chip QBs
http://www.sbnation.com/section/recruiting-rankings-in-context
http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/12/28/2666366/what-good-is-a-five-star-quarterback-anyway
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I think the upshot is that the programs that play for national championships and win conference titles are those
that tend to recruit better, more highly rated guys than those programs that do not play or win these things. I would expect the numbers to bear that out.
However, recruiting is a skill regardless of who you are recruiting, and that skill is not merely an accumulation of players with stars but, as mentioned above, an accumulation of the right players with lots of “stars” — yes, there are such a thing as bad 5-star recruits. I am sure there are 5-star talent out there, right under the nose of Mack Brown, that he’s chosen not to actively recruit and the same would be true of Saban I am sure.
It is worth noting too, there is a difference between offering a scholarship and recruiting a guy. I tend to think Iowa rarely just “offers” scholarships while Florida State does that all the time. These guys are offered a scholly and other than the phone call offering it, they have almost no other interaction. Because, at the end of the day, the more players you recruit the less time you have for each player.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Jan 30, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Based on Texas' recruiting ranksings and results over the last few years
Mack might have plucked a few too many of those “bad” 5-star recruits. They’ve certainly had quite a few guys lately that haven’t panned out anywhere near expectations.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah, and Iowa hasn't exactly perfected the 5 and 4 star recruit screening process either
I think the whole thing is a function of more complex variables than we often imagine. I mean, there is a locker room, a campus, a campus culture that these super talents have to work their way into and around.
At Iowa, in particular, there is a profoundly distinctive campus culture that I think often requires adjusting to for, say, a black urban recruit. I mean, Iowa has fewer than 800 self-identified black students on the entire campus vs. 25,000 non-minority white students so it is not very much like anyplace they may have ever lived. They need to find a niche in that campus.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Fewer than 800?
I just your numbers, I’m just a bit astonished by them.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Jan 30, 2012 1:59 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
The number sounds crazy
but looking back and thinking about it, that actually seems about right. There really wasn’t a whole lot of diversity at Iowa. Of course, I was a business major—diversity usually meant an Asian student.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Jan 30, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
the website breakdown....
http://www.uiowa.edu/admissions/undergrad/diversity/demographics.htm
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
2009 may seem like an old number but the gathering is usually a year behind at minimum
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Jinx
but my numbers below are also from 2010
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by therealCatnuts on Jan 30, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
okay...the number might have dropped
http://www.uiowa.edu/admissions/undergrad/whos-at-iowa/total.htm
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I'm also slightly stunned
From my memory of the UI Registrar’s office claims, they claimed somewhere around 10% of total student population every year is non-white, which would be somewhere around 2,500 undergrads. I remember thinking that was ludicrous because I never saw any black kids in my classes (and few asians) and it was somewhat rare to see them walking around as well.
Here’s the UI’s current stats:
Minority Enrollment—Fall 2010
Minority enrollment comprises 10.3% of the total enrollment:
African American 2.5%
Asian 3.6%
Hispanic 3.6%
Native American 0.4%
Native Hawaiian 0.1%
Two or more races 0.8%
I still say those numbers are high. SMA is just about dead-on with is estimate per the numbers, FYI
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 30, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
I trusted the numbers, this is SMA's line of work
But still, wow.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Jan 30, 2012 4:16 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Texas usually has a class that is 3/4 full
by the early summer before their kids’ senior season. So the Texas evaluation is based largely on what they did their junior years as well as Texas’ camp. So, if their development is off or they get injured, they end up a little fucked.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
good
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Jan 30, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THIS.
Dammit. Great minds and all that shit.
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by EnergizerHawk on Jan 30, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
But technically, Australia is west of us...because it's a shorter trip going west than east.
To SEC, or not to SEC, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous Texas,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?
What is truly West of anything instead of just East of everything?
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by therealCatnuts on Jan 30, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
not according to their maps
(and astronomy too)
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by therealCatnuts on Jan 30, 2012 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
It's really more south than east.
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by Bucketochicken on Jan 30, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Starting to wonder why no one else has reported him as committed
Aside from 247 and the inference by Coach EJ.
ESPN reports him as committed
but it’s behind a paywall
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Pat has hack blogger sourcez.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
If the rumor is repeated in more than three parents' basements
it’s true!
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by HoyaGoon on Jan 30, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm kind of disappointed the Fake Bleacher Report Twitter account doesn't do a NSD special.
Oh the laughs that could be had!
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by SomeJerkPoster on Jan 30, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
That's a rec,
Cap’n.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jan 30, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
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