The Epilogue, Part 1: Fables of the Reconstruction
It feels ancient now, but 2005 was supposed to be THE YEAR, the culmination of Ferentz's first great run. Iowa was coming off its most improbable season-to-date, a ridiculous 10-2 record on a string of one-possession victories (7 points over Iowa State, 2 points over Purdue, Penn State -- the 6-4 game -- and Minnesota, and the Hail Mary win over LSU in the Capital One Bowl) accomplished largely without a serviceable halfback. It was a smoke and mirrors season, though it was Iowa's second improbable 10-win season in three years. The best part, though, was that remarkably few players were set to leave before 2005. For the first time under Ferentz, Iowa returned a seasoned starter at quarterback, junior Drew Tate. His top two targets, Ed Hinkel and Clinton Solomon, also returned, as did three top offensive linemen. Linebackers Abdul Hodge and Chad Greenway, both looking like top draft picks at the end of 2004, were seniors, and Jovon Johnson and Antwaan Allen gave Iowa more secondary stability than it had ever had. The national media joined in the parade of praise; CBS Sportsline ranked Iowa #2 in its preseason poll, Athlon #3, and Iowa was a near-unanimous top 15 pick.
The season never met those lofty expectations. Tate was banged up early on, and backup Jason Manson proved ineffective in a shocking loss to Iowa State. That was followed by a 25-point drubbing in Columbus to open conference play. With a Big Ten title still to play for in mid-October, the Hawkeyes dropped a heartbreaker to Michigan, and followed that with the first in a run of improbable losses to Northwestern. Iowa picked up a pair of wins over Wisconsin and Minnesota to get to seven wins and land a surprise invite to the Outback Bowl, but the season was certainly a disappointment.
Kirk Ferentz's ability to turn water into wine remained dogma even after the 2005 debacle, but a massive amount of experienced, pro-level talent was leaving via graduation, mostly on defense. Replacing Abdul Hodge's three years of experience at middle linebacker was untested junior Mike Klinkenborg. Replacing first-round draft pick Chad Greenway at the weakside linebacker was the similarly unknown junior Mike Humpal. Jovon Johnson was gone; junior Adam Shada was in. The defense had become a parade of upperclassmen who had failed to break through all that talent. On offense, Tate was back under center and Albert Young returned in the backfield, but it was a different center and new cast of characters on the offensive line. At receiver, the Hawkeyes went young; Hinkel and Solomon were replaced by a rotation of underclassmen: Andy Brodell, Dominique Douglass, Scott Chandler, Trey Stross. Nevertheless, Iowa again entered the season in the preseason top 20.
If 2005 was a disappointment, 2006 was a borderline disaster. Iowa started with four wins before being throttled in Kinnick by #1 OSU. The Hawkeyes then dropped one of the most inexplicable losses of the Ferentz era, a three-point defeat at Indiana. The wheels came off after that; Iowa picked up a win over Northern Illinois with Jake Christensen filling in for an injured Drew Tate, but Tate would never again win a game. Iowa finished 6-6, then lost as a huge underdog against Texas in the Alamo Bowl. The 2006 offseason was a mess, as well, as transfers and disciplinary issues further thinned an already bare-bones team down to nothing.
Iowa opened 2007 with a three-year starter gone to graduation at quarterback, its most promising receiver lost to an offseason scandal, a virtually unknown set of players across the offensive line, and extreme youth and inexperience in the defensive front seven. In retrospect, it's amazing the team won six; it beat the eventual Big Ten Rose Bowl representative in a ridiculous game at Kinnick where Ron Zook's curious clock management strategy had as much to do with Iowa's success as the Hawkeyes' own play. Iowa also beat Michigan State on an afternoon where it completed five passes for 53 yards. Nevertheless, Iowa's offense was a mess; the offensive line couldn't protect the quarterback against even the most modest of opposition, the quarterback became justifiably jumpy in the pocket and focused more on the rush than the receivers. Iowa's offense, predicated on Al Young and Damian Sims, bogged down against nine-man fronts daring Jake Christensen to throw. The season ended with an uncompetitive loss to Western Michigan and no bowl trip.
By 2008, the offensive line had twelve starts under its belt and a new quarterback (and a monster halfback) to protect. It delivered, and Ricky Stanzi did enough beyond "hand the ball to Shonn Greene" to make it the most successful Iowa offense since 2003. It didn't hurt that his receivers also had a year of experience, or that the inexperienced defensive front of late 2007 -- Clayborn, King, Kroul, and Ballard -- was rounding into division-killer form at the same time. After a handful of close losses in September and October, Iowa solved the equation, beat previously-undefeated Penn State in early November, and won its last four.
By this point, the cycle had come full-circle: Iowa had thrived on an experienced group of juniors in 2004, floundered when those same players became seniors for whatever reason in 2005, cycled through the underlying upperclassmen who couldn't break through in prior seasons in 2006 to underwhelming effect, went young in the trenches (almost immediately on the offensive line; by November on the defensive front) in 2007 and built those players through 2007 and 2008. Sure enough, come 2009, Iowa fielded a second-year starter at quarterback, a veteran junior-led group on the offensive line, a killer defensive line and linebacker corps, and enough experience in the defensive secondary to win consistently. And win they did.
The point to this story is, Iowa football is now quite clearly working on a five-year cycle. Iowa has built its program on a policy of turning tight ends and linebackers into cogs of the machine and then fully expecting those cogs to do exactly as they are supposed to do and be exactly where they are supposed to be at all times from the moment they're plugged in that machine. You can build athletes in the weight room from whatever raw material your recruiters bring in, but those athletes don't become football players -- at least not in the Kirk Ferentz sense of the word -- until ten, twenty, maybe thirty games of experience are under their belts. For Iowa to win in the future, youth must be served in the present.
And yet, 2011 was not a "youth movement" year at Iowa. Only six underclassmen -- three on offense, three on defense -- started the Hawkeyes' final game, and three of those -- Coker at halfback, Miller at free safety, Rogers at fullback -- were at positions where game experience has, in the past, had the lowest correlation with player success. On the offensive and defensive lines, where anecdotal evidence from the recent past here and statistical evidence from around the country indicates experience is most important to overall success, this season wasn't marked by a youth movement but rather by career backup upperclassmen. Iowa's offensive line featured one bona fide top-notch NFL talent (junior Riley Reiff), one solid returning contributor (junior James Ferentz), one underwhelming second-year starter (senior Markus Zusevics) and two perennial backup guards (junior Matt Tobin, and senior Adam Gettis). On the defensive side, the only underclassman consistently in the two-deep was Dominic Alvis, who tore his ACL in early November. Otherwise, it was senior Mike Daniels, the enigmatic Broderick Binns, and career second-stringers like Joe Forgy, Steve Bigach, Lebron Daniel, Tom Nardo, and Joe Gaglione. Cumulated statistics for those five players, all listed in Iowa's Insight Bowl two-deep, prior to 2011: Eighteen non-redshirt seasons, zero starts, fourteen tackles. The lines weren't the only place where this happened, either. The quarterback was a redshirt junior who had never seriously pushed his predecessor. Keenan Davis, starting opposite McNutt, had done little of consequence in his first two seasons. Tyler Nielsen cemented his status as the rich man's Mike Klinkenborg. And the secondary featured a man who might be the most prominent senior season-only contributor in Ferentz's twelve years on the job, Jordan Bernstine.
This was not a rebuilding year, at least not in the common sense of the term. A rebuild doesn't feature sixteen upperclassmen starters, especially not sixteen upperclassmen with a stark lack of on-field experience typically commensurate with their class. This was not a rebuild as much as a brush clearing, a bonfire of undergrowth necessary to clear the path for the next rebuild. We know it, because we have seen it before. This was 2006 redux.
The bad news is that, of course, 2006 led to 2007, a year of pain neither seen nor felt at Iowa in years. The good news is, Iowa's hand is forced. Iowa has to replace three -- and, let's face it, four, because Matt Tobin isn't an answer for anything -- starters on the offensive line. When they did the same in 2007, they turned to Bryan Bulaga, Julian Vandervelde, Kyle Calloway, Seth Olsen, Rafael Eubanks, and Rob Bruggemann. The growning pains were obvious, but also paid off in spades the next two seasons. Likewise, by the middle of 2007, Iowa was rotating Adrian Clayborn and Christian Ballard in at defensive end and Pat Angerer, A.J. Edds, and Jeremiha Hunter at linebacker, laying the foundation for the defense that was the bedrock of Iowa's later resurgence. We'll get to the players who could feature in these spots later this week (and in greater detail after spring practice), but there are signs of life in the trenches and elsewhere. We survived 2011, and if history proves correct, we'll experience and survive the misery of 2012. We got through the bonfire. Let the rebuild begin.
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Great work, PV.
Although 2012 is likely to be another 7 or 8 win year, it’s nice to know there is a light at the end of this tunnel. Looking forward to the other parts of this series.
I have to say
That this is brilliant. I think we need to set the bar lower right now and be realistic with what we think will happen next year. We are replacing underachieving, upperclassman with young, potent., players across the board. I think we are in store for a lot of growing pains. All I want to see is some improvement and a never give up attitude as the season wears on.
Persona non grata.
Nice article
True, so true. I think my expectations on last season were not realistic. That will change next year. I’ll still be excited and supportive, but not expectant.
Sure Lisa, some magical animal.
Look at our conference schedule last year…I believe the expectations were fair. Penn St was down and the rest was very manageable…All we had to do was win the games we should have (Iowa ST & Minnesota), take care of a crappy Penn St team, and then beat either Mich St or Nebraska. It was possible.
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 16, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
"Crappy" Penn State team?
The same PSU team that featured a defense unlike any other that Iowa saw all season? Expectations may have been low for PSU going into 2011, but they were far from a crappy team. They had a terrible offense, sure, but they were a dominant force on defense in every game except the bowl game.
by The Mexican't on Jan 16, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
Couple that with
A not so great Iowa team and we have the result we got. Sure we should have beat State and Minny, but we probably should also (on paper) should have lost to Michigan. I just don’t think our team was that great overall. I wish it was otherwise, but it really wasn’t.
Sure Lisa, some magical animal.
Didn't at least one team in red and white (not Nebraska)
Beat Penn State really, really bad? Wisconsin? At Madison? And our terrible offense managed to put up 3 on them, so how dominant could they be? Or was it our crappy defense only gave up 13, so how terrible could our D be. I get confused with which team showed up on any given saturday.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
Wisconsin to end the season.
I don’t remember the game and am not entirely sure what the reason is for 45 points, but yeah, it was ugly.
by The Mexican't on Jan 16, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
Well, they kind of had their 85 year old coach get fired in a public scandal involving a longtime assistant sexually assaulting children.
What I’m saying is, there might have been some extenuating circumstances surrounding their late-season play.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Jan 16, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Excuses, excuses.
You expect me to believe that had any impact?
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
That was my initial reaction when I looked back and saw the score
It just seemed like the easy justification so I wasn’t sure it was the best reason. Since I didn’t bother to read the box score I didn’t want to make a lazy effort at justifying the poor performance.
by The Mexican't on Jan 16, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Plus no defense looks good when their offense can't stay on the field for more than 3 plays.
Von Miller knows what I’m talking about.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Jan 16, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry, Von Miller can't hear you.
He’s too busy shoving offensive linemen after the whistle.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Also he's still lying on the ground after being stomped by a team of Patriots.
by The Mexican't on Jan 16, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
First rule of starting a fight in the NFL:
Don’t start it on the other teams’ sideline!
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Well, isn't that exactly the problem with 2011?
The offense would have spurts of real production and put up points, to be undermined by a defense that couldn’t stop anyone. And on those occasions where the D actually showed up and played well (and PSU wasn’t one of those games), the offense would, as often as not, decide to take a siesta
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Jan 16, 2012 10:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would have taken winning the games we should have (ISU/Minny)
9-3? That would have met most expectations for the year.
BORK BORK BORK
by Ill Jukes on Jan 16, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd even just take the Minnesota game.
ISU was likely a better team than us this season. Even if we got Jantz’ed.
They say you're a pitcher, you're sure not much of a dresser. We wear caps and sleeves on this level, son.
Ugh, not looking forward to a 2007 redux
Hopefully in another year the last 3 (including this year) recruiting classes will start to pay dividends. They’ve been pretty good the last 3 years, especially on defense. A lot of speed was recruited for the secondary, big athletic and highly ranked guys along the lines, etc. Both lines will be young this year, but hopefully they’ll show improvement and potential for the next year.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Jan 16, 2012 8:46 AM CST reply actions
Imagine this...
A 2007 redux with a proven starter at QB where I don’t refer to every throw as an abortion. 7-8, possibly 9 wins is completely doable.
Why? Has anyone seen the schedule??
Northern Illinois @ Soldier field
Iowa State at home
Northern Iowa at home
Central Michigan at home
Minnesota at home
and that’s just the first 5 games.
After that, we get Penn State, OMHR and Nebraska at home. All I’m saying is, despite obvious personnel issues (48 FR or RSFR out of 109 scholarships BTW), the schedule can be rather kind to us next season. It can also provide an opportunity for the Hawks to shit the bed, but we won’t go there.
by RandomHero on Jan 16, 2012 9:02 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
the glass is half full
I certainly agree with some posters that 2012 could be 2007 all over again but I like to think more optimistically like you sir
by Captain America (aka Steve Rogers) on Jan 16, 2012 9:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
As a fan base,
we need to think more like this. The more pessimistic we get, the more resentful we become, and then we’re eerily close to being Nebraska fans.
Sorry, grew up around them and they make me sick.
by RandomHero on Jan 16, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Nebraska got lucky this season
Ohio State pissed it down their leg, and this was Ohio State’s worst team in decades.
Michigan (who is still not Michigan) beat them to pulp.
Penn State was dealing with scandal.
Iowa was dealing with ourselves, which at times can cause us problems.
I think Nebraska is going to look back at being in the Big 12 North with nostalgia and say “what the hell were wethinking?”
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Central Michigan? Again?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Those that complain that Inception was confusing have never seen Videodrome.
That was Western Michigan
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Jan 16, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
It's nice that the schedule sets up well
because we have no proven running game, lost our #1 receiver, and I’m not convinced JVB has made any progress.
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 16, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And for more glass half fullism...
at least he won’t be able to lock into McNutt every play. He’ll HAVE to work on looking off the defense even more.
They say you're a pitcher, you're sure not much of a dresser. We wear caps and sleeves on this level, son.
but those athletes don’t become football players — at least not in the Kirk Ferentz sense of the word — until ten, twenty, maybe thirty games of experience are under their belts.
KF and his coaching staff are intelligent people and they know this. The question is again, why are the starters playing in the fourth quarter when we are up by multiple scores?
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by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 16, 2012 9:18 AM CST reply actions
that
…my friend is one of the great mysteries of our time. I imagine we will ascertain the meaning of the great pyramid before Kirk gives us any insight on that.
by Captain America (aka Steve Rogers) on Jan 16, 2012 9:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The meaning of the Great Pyramid?
Easy. They wanted to see cheerleaders smile while having ten people stand on their backs. Anyone can see that.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
Not that I'm comparing any NFL team to Iowa
But I think that they are so focused on execution that they take every opportunity to practice, including blowout wins where only injury or playing time for younger players is the sacrifice.
The key to our success hinges on our starters getting Code of Conduct-ed mid-season so that our 2 deeps get some game reps. When/if the starters return, we have experience for the young guys and our starters have learned their lesson.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
I think this is mostly correct
I also think they believe everyone, even fifth-year seniors who won’t ever see another snap, are entitled to their shot for staying those five years and get to keep that spot, regardless of in-game circumstances, until beaten outright.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Jan 16, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
100 Percent agree
On one hand we (we being the coaches) preach player development, working hard, buying in, etc. and on the other there are few of the players you mentioned who see the field after getting 5 years of the treatment. Seems a little contradictory and the only answer I can think of is confidence in the players.
But, as you stated in the article there is a cycle of about 5 years, and when you look at our Sophomores from this year, especially at LB (which is the best metric for any good team) we have some depth and talent. Biggest variable this year is there is no Norm Parker, and that’s all I want to say about that as it’s really, really dusty in here.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
i think you're all on the most important theme here re:the 5 year cycle
it all correlates with these cyclical personnel issues. we have problems keeping promising young talent around and at the same time reward these lesser talented fifth year career backups with playing time and seeing the results on the field. It’s hard to look at the schedule and see us winning more than 7.
who knows, crazy things happen in college football and our program is living proof, but it’s frustrating as hell to just sit on our hands watching this seemingly self aware program continue to grind and grind and keep things as tight as possible defensively and offensively and say to yourself “oh well, we’re just iowa, we’re just waiting for the right combination of young guys who stick around to learn a few things and get lucky.” Is that good enough? I’m not calling for any heads here, so don’t take mine off, but I think Tom Brands and Fran McCaffery would say no, it’s not enough to shrug your shoulders and chew your gum and say “oh well, we’re just iowa.” I think they would say “fuck you, we’re Iowa.”
by sailorjerry on Jan 16, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, I agree with this.
But I don’t know if we can have it both ways, though; where, on the one hand, we go through the patented 5-year Ferentz cycle of development (which yields a great team every 5 or so years); and, on the other, shake things up schematically/philosophically in order to perhaps catch lightning in a bottle and produce an overachieving team.
Aren’t they sort of mutually exclusive?
I must not understand the latter point, because this doesn't seem like a real question.
Are you asking whether the idea focusing more on rotating and recruiting to avoid huge gaps in talent/experience is exclusive of this five year cycle concept? Is that assuming this 5 year cycle is a planned concept?
No. Just no. This isn’t directed at you or any particular person, but more at a way of thinking about our program. Look, it’s a hard job and I get that, but there is an entire staff of experienced individuals getting paid a huge sum of money to do this year round to compete at a high level. Our recent history is peculiar and I certainly don’t have all the answers, but you know what else I don’t have? I don’t have any time for the thinking that we can’t do any better than maybe contend to be in the top 3 of our increasingly mediocre looking conference, and only do that every 3-5 years. No. Fuck that. Fuck the “oh well, we’re just Iowa and we have a huge recruiting disadva-” No. Shut up. We can beat the piss out of the little boy programs and we can find a way to avoid these catastrophic drop offs of talent and/or experience at key positions. We can fix special teams. We can hire another bad ass DC. We can win games by actually scoring points with our offense instead of playing Russian-turnover roulette with clearly less than stellar defense and special teams.
These things are all well within our reach and completely reasonable to expect without calling for an entire regime change.
Amen
That’s all that needs to be said.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
I share your frustration with and aversion to settling.
My question, to put it differently, has to do with the “five year plan” (intentional or not, Vint has done a nice job outlining what seems to be an understandable and observable trend) and the frustration with this same plan that you voiced in your earlier comment. The solution you suggested was to refuse to settle and, instead, alter our schemes, recruiting, and philosophy to bypass the “five year plan” altogether and realize success on a more consistent and, better yet, lasting basis.
Great. I’m all for this and — like others — find myself shouting suggestions for this from the stands during games.
But my question about mutual exclusivity was getting at what seems to me to be an incompatibility between Vint’s reasons for hope (that is, that the program should, according to the trends, see an uptick in success once the underbrush gets burned off to reveal decently experienced stars) and your suggestion of, in a word, not settling and taking more direct paths to success. Perhaps you disagree with Vint anyway and that was the point of your post. If so, great.
But it seems unlikely that the coaching staff will really alter its philosophy of development and playing time to achieve a quick fix. Not that quick fixes wouldn’t go a long way to making all of us much happier right now; but Kirk just doesn’t seem like a quick fix guy. Rather, he seems like someone who will accept a few 7-5 years if you can build an 11-1 super team every third or fifth year. It is, after all, the conservative approach (for a quick fix might backfire and leave you at 4-8).
So, as eager as I am to see a shortcut to (faster) success, I’m wondering how it fits with the track-record of the coaching staff — a track-record Vint has outlined nicely. And that’s the context in which I asked my original question: can a faster, radical path to success fit with the conservative, five-year-plan approach we’ve seen and might well continue to see? I think it cannot, which is why it seems likely that those of us wishing to see radical philosophical and schematic changes will wait in vain.
Ok, I see that a bit better.
I would say first that this was just part one. I don’t think this story revealed any earth shaking opinions, but it was a very nice summary and setup for whatever further commentary is to come. Is there reason for hope of improvement for next year and the year after? Sure. Are there reasons for concern as to why this cycle perpetuates? Absolutely. That’s where I see Vint going with this and that’s what I started commenting to the folks above me about.
My main point is that I don’t think it takes radical change in personnel or philosophy to yield different results. AIRBHG and misfortune notwithstanding, I don’t think our coaching staff plans on this cycle of up and down years. I don’t think they like to lose and I don’t think this is rocket science. It’s a dial, not a switch, and I think we need to adjust whatever plans or schedules we’re using is to more closely match up with reality, namely, most kids are not health/productive/eligible for 5 years at Iowa. Recruit and substitute accordingly.
Looking forward to part two.
jesus, sorry. my spelling and verb tense haven't been strong today
typing too fast, but hopefully you can all still appreciate the thrust of it.
/twhs
KF is a manball guy.
Look at our success years, and look at the experienced running back, and the experienced/effective offensive line.
Those are the two common denominators (yes, it’s oversimplification, and yes, they refused to lose during the runningbackolipse, which skews the sample a bit)
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jan 17, 2012 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
well
this thing is just who knows who. Then over here you have favortism.
by Captain America (aka Steve Rogers) on Jan 16, 2012 9:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
so you're saying
Some suspensions are in order? Brilliant!
by Captain America (aka Steve Rogers) on Jan 16, 2012 9:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Shhhh!
We have to surprise the team.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
don't worry
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
by Captain America (aka Steve Rogers) on Jan 16, 2012 9:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
How often does that happen?
It’s not like we’re regularly leaving in players and running up the scores with our amazing offense to be dicks.
The games against UL Monroe and Tenn Tech State AnM IUPUI IUPUFW Sisters of the Blind
Games were over early. Even playing a quarter can do wonders for a player, look at how much it helped McCall? Oh wait a second…..
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
McCall was an entirely unproven true freshman
He’s exactly the type of player that people want playing in that game, and is an absolutely TERRIBLE example in this situation. And, IIRC, he broke his ankle before halftime.
by The Mexican't on Jan 16, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I know.
The fact that McCall was being touted as this great next back is a joke. He played one quarter against the worst team we ever played and did well. Yes he broke his ankle, and it was unfortunate, but just because he was good for a quarter (the only quarter) and got injured doesn’t make him the Greatest Back Ever.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
I guess I misread your comment.
I thought you were saying that players should get into the game earlier. Looking back it looks like you were saying that getting young players into the game may not necessarily help them.
by The Mexican't on Jan 16, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
But they weren't in games like 2010 MSU
Tell me again, what benefit did we receive playing ARob late into the 4th quarter of that game?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Jan 16, 2012 10:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
My problem is the argument of "games like," but I can't really think of many examples of it
That’s one good example, but one doesn’t make it an issue.
The problem is that there are so few examples
Given the ridiculous number of close games in 2009 and 2010. Just looking at this season, there were three games where we could have played second-stringers and back-ups for significant time periods in the second half: Tennessee Tech; UL-Monroe and Purdue. Against TTech, we did, although that was as much a factor of the weather and long delay in the mid-3rd-quarter as any conscious decision on the part of the coaches. Against ULM, we did rotate the RBs a bit throughout the game, but the starters remained in (here I’m talking about the lines and other players) for most off the game until the late 4th, when we subbed in players for the “run out the final two minutes” drive where the offense doesn’t really get a chance to do anything but RB dives. Same with Purdue. We, due to KF’s philosophy, won’t get many chances to have the second team get meaningful and significant in-game experience, so we can’t waste those opportunities when they do arise. And too often, that’s exactly what happens.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Jan 16, 2012 3:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You can't take players out just to keep them safe.
The second you start saying “let’s avoid injury”, injuries occur. If you don’t want to get hurt playing any sport, don’t play a sport. It’s the risk that comes with it.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
um... that's not really true.
If you play like you’re avoiding injury, that might be an argument, but not coaching like it. I don’t see how taking Adam Robinson out of a game increases his risk of getting a concussion.
meh
um.....that statement makes no sense
Taking Robinson out of a game decreases his chances of a concussion by 100 percent. At least, getting one during that football game.
Does Wisconsin worry about Montee Ball gettting hurt? What about Oregon? They didn’t worry about it and it still happened to James. Players get injured in the first quarter (McCall) as often as they do during a route. Coaching to avoid injury is impossible, can’t prevent injuries as a coach. How many times do people complain that Ferentz is too conservative, not ruthless, etc? He leaves in our RB in a game against a top 10 team, the RB gets injured, and we blame Ferentz? Well I don’t, but some do. That makes no sense to me. Robinson was a Sophomore and even though we think a Sophopmore RB is a rarity and he’s an upperclassman, the truth is he had a lot of cleaning up to do after only playing one full season. Reps and execution, reps and execution. Leaving in a Sophomore to get more of that makes sense to me.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
And I think that helps them.
Nico Law played a bit, Melvin Spears played a bit, and I know there were others but those are guys I remember being excited about when they signed the LOI.
And Bullock ran the ball a few times. Those are all positive experiences in my opinion.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
I think you are simultaneously on both sides of this debate
Which is impressive
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Jan 16, 2012 3:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The answer you are looking for is 42.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
is it too early
to be missing football? College football that is. I’m just a FF guy when it comes to the NFL.
by Captain America (aka Steve Rogers) on Jan 16, 2012 9:28 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Good review, PV. Lots of food for thought in here.
I do have a question: If These Are Fables of the Reconstruction, does that make Trent Mossbrucker Driver 8.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Jan 16, 2012 10:04 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Vint - a good read. Asking the fanbase to be patient
Unfortunately, everybody’s patience has worn thin. Not sure what to blame more – player defections, inexcusable losses (Minny and ISU especially), or the 4th quarter swoons. But they’ve all taken their toll.
Not sure we collectively can wait until 2013.
I will do my best, for my part. But another season of losses to the Minnesota’s and three more “Gone, Baby, Gone”s will test my will.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Jan 16, 2012 10:49 AM CST reply actions
Ask and you shall receive
AJ Derby is transferring per Morehouse. See below
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
So is your will tested?
With Derby leaving? Bad timing, I suppose.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
A third of the way there
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Jan 16, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
There are many, many differences between Iowa and OSU or Michigan
One I will focus on is depth. While we have equally talented starters, we don’t get as many top recruits at one position. For example, our 4 star running back is backed up by a 2 star running back. Not the case at Ohio State or Michigan. While I agree that the star system is not totally accurate nor merits a great team, the fact that any one of the two-deeps at those schools would be a starter right away here means that we play our top talent early, and the competition for a starting role is between a freshman 4 star (or 3) and upperclassmen who are either 2 stars or lower OR walk ons. Not the case, I think we would all agree, at any Michigan, Ohio State, etc., where the competition is between the Junior (who is a 4 star) and the Sophomore (another 4 star) and the Freshman (another 4 star).
The result is gaps between our 4 year starter and the new 4 star recruit, gaps which are filled by system guys who have played very little as underclassmen, and when we get those good recruits who are ready to play, we play them right away as opposed to OSU or Michigan where they might not play for 2-3 years. So when our 4 year starter graduates, who was a 4 star recruit, the replacement is a non-starting, 2 star senior OR a Freshman 4 star recruit. So either a young gun or a not-so-great older gun.
Just a theory…..feel free to destroy. I for one am excited about next season, which shows I have the dominant trait of a Hawkeye: Short Term Memory.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 11:02 AM CST reply actions
While I really like this read and the hope that it gives for the future of the program,
Is it really that accurate of a juxtaposition? I think that the only way the a cyclical theory would hold water depends on the quality of the recruits coming into the program. We really had some gems in the classes from 2007-2010. Asking if the players that have been recruited in the past 2 years have that same level of potential as their predecessors, I believe, is the million dollar question.
Solid thoughts and perspective, as usual. One question:
WHO IS OUR NEXT DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR?
"GO HAWKS!" - only cure for Hawkeye Envy
Phil Parker
That’s my opinion. LeVar Woods as defensive line coach. Again my opinion.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
This fits
pretty nice with what I have said. We play for 2 seasons in a decade. Those will be the seasons we try to make a big run. Everything else is building up to that point or falling off. Which is BS. We can’t be dominant for “x” reason is the excuse I hear from all the old guy my grandpa tailgates with. I think it is kinda garbage. Making excuses for yourself isn’t something I see BSU or TCU do. Or maybe the best example of a team not making excuses when they could (unless you buy into Kruse story) is Oregon. No major media market (My mom lives in Eugene, shit happens their), almost no national talent comes out of Oregon, and the team has no tradition of winning before their latest extended and what looks to be permanent run. Why can’t we be like Oregon? (Phil Knight? Recruiting?) Well until very recently (last couple years) Oregon hasn’t had tremendous recruiting, and they still are scratching at being a top 10. In fact they built one of the most powerful teams in football off not amazing recruiting, 2006-2009. Iowa, sure we don’t have the ability to get the best recruits but we were 8th in 2k6, so it is possible. That is my problem, is a lot of Iowa fans believe it is not POSSIBLE to be consistently good, and the main reason is well we are Iowa….This is even a trend in the couching staff. A certain speech when KF first got to Iowa (granted I realize we were god awful) about how going 8-4 in IC makes you a hero, FUCK THAT.
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Jan 16, 2012 11:48 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
If that's the case, we need to do a better job of not shitting the bed in those seasons that are supposed to be good (2005, 2010).
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Jan 16, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
THIS
spelling deficiencies notwithstanding :) Totally agree with the point about the expectations of the coaching staff (kind of a sore spot with me, as RossWB will attest!). Actually, given all of our recent running back issues, we could probably use a “couching staff” as well…
by BamaGatorHawk on Jan 16, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
To be fair, I’m pretty sure KF and Co aren’t paying “recruiting services” to steer players their way, either. Chip Kelly is a great coach – he’s also a good cheater under the present rules. For those reasons, I’ll respectfully disagree with the Oregon example.
And Oregon is under investigation by the NCAA
Because of that type of “sustained” success. James and Thomas leaving school early are, just a hunch, signs of trouble ahead. Neither guy is an NFL player, but they might see themselves better off as practice squad guys than answering questions by the NCAA.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
TCU and BSU are exceptions to a rule.
For the sake of examining the other side of the coin:
1) A rural school in a BCS conference got a coach that improved them. A lot. In 3 years, they were playing in a BCS bowl game. Then, he was fired. Last season, they lost 10 games after hiring the “hottest upcoming coach,” who was fired after this season. Can you guess the team?
2) An historic BCS team is falling off its legendary track, and they hire the hottest coach in football. 2 years pass, and they hire the next hottest coach in football. 5 years pass, and they again hire the hottest coach in football. Over this time, they’ve spent an ungodly amount of money to amass a 51-37 record (1 BCS bowl (L), 3 December Bowls). Who am I?
There certainly are some reasons to throw everybody out, hire a hot incoming coach, and let him work his magic. It’s far from a sure-fire thing, and you stand to lose a lot of money in the process.
I take serious exception to you Oregon comparisons, as they have been a solid team since Mike Bellotti (116–55 record at Oregon) took over (#2 AP ranking in 2001). Chip Kelley did not descend from the mountain and build this team from nothing. This is not a “last couple years” thing as you state; Chip Kelley is building upon something that was mounted over a decade ago, through tremendous booster investment and involvement (worth noting the program grew when money was free, circa 01-06).
I’ll post answers to me quiz below. Search my name to find.
"Woody Orne with the one-handed grab!"
by One_ill_KevinJ on Jan 16, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I had the weirdest dream last night, you guys.
I was at a Van Halen reunion concert (really shitty seats) with O’Keefe and I was telling him what he did wrong with the 2007 offense. But then I woke up to use the bathroom, and had a dream that officials from the Philippines were arresting my sister’s dog for cocaine possession.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Jan 16, 2012 11:50 AM CST reply actions
I also can't wait for the return of Marchifornication.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 16, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I am hoping for an actual March tournament, maybe the NIT or even the NCAA
"GO HAWKS!" - only cure for Hawkeye Envy
by BentNotBroken on Jan 16, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
So many questions...
I never saw KOK as a Van Halen fan, for one.
And that dog is lucky it didn’t have enough coke to get nailed for intent to distribute.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
O'Keefe would've been in his mid-20s when Van Halen's eponymous debut album came out.
Seems like it’d be weird if he wasn’t a fan; his play calling never made me think he was a jazz fan.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Jan 16, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
KOK seems like more of a Phil Collins fan.
Eddie Van Halen knew how to beat a riff into the ground if it was working; KOK has no such affinity for “scratching where it itches,” so to speak.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
KOK likes smooth music.
Van Halen’s all the healin’ this offense be needin’.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
by SomeJerkPoster on Jan 16, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
are you referring
to Phil and KOK’s inability to be offensive?
by Captain America (aka Steve Rogers) on Jan 16, 2012 2:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i think
I was at the same concert. Did they open with ‘Running with the devil’? I believe that is KOK’s favorite.
by Captain America (aka Steve Rogers) on Jan 16, 2012 1:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
DAHNT, DAHNT, DAHNT, DAHNT
DAHNTDAHNNNNNNT,DAHNT,DAHNT,DAHNT,DAHNT!
Those wonderfully sleazy opening notes, totally KoK.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Jan 16, 2012 3:04 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Epic first post
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Jan 16, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
This made me feel bad for vandenberg
unless this O-line lives up to all the 4 star guys weve gotten over the last few years, he is gonna be sacked alot isnt he? that sucks
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Jan 16, 2012 12:57 PM CST reply actions
Seriously
Let’s just hope he learns how to read blitzes and not panic and piss down his leg during the offseason.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Jan 16, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
I don't want to be on a five-year cycle of 6 wins, 7 wins, 8 wins, 9 wins, 11 wins.
I think Iowa is better than that.
meh
All I can say about this is...
DAMN YOU SOLON BEEF DAYS!!!!!!
by DrHenryKillinger on Jan 16, 2012 1:21 PM CST reply actions
Except that Solon beef days fucking rule
Fuck you Solon Beef Days hay bale toss I can agree with, though.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Jan 16, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Wooooo I got 'em right!
"WELCOME TA EARFF!"
by Bucketochicken on Jan 16, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
I got Kansas immediately. Apparently, ND just isn't relevant enough to this CFB fan.
"GO HAWKS!" - only cure for Hawkeye Envy
by BentNotBroken on Jan 16, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
Good work, gents. I'll try to craft more of these in response to some points.
"Woody Orne with the one-handed grab!"
by One_ill_KevinJ on Jan 16, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
So Morehouse just tweeted "AJ Derby gone, per Iowa."
Commence melting down.
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
What?
Now what the hell is going on? It must get old typing up those damn “Gone, Baby, Gone” posts.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
So he didn't like the idea of being a linebacker after all?
There is nothing good to come from this offseason at all. How the hell are we even a football team anymore?
Okay, done bitching.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Here's the link to Morehouse's article
"I’m not going to comment on anything beyond where I’ve been so far." - Gary Barta
He wanted to be a quarterback. It shouldn't be THAT surprising.
I was a bit surprised he went from #2 QB to LB. That seems like a drastic move. I now wonder if that #2 on the depth chart wasn’t window dressing and if he feels like he kind of screwed up agreeing to/making the switch. In any event, I expect him to go to a school where he will be eligible right away. He burned his redshirt.
I will always wonder why we couldn’t get him in on some Wildcat-type stuff. OU used that beautifully against us and I think it’s a legit package to have in your repertoire.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Probably wasn’t going to get much playing time at LB either. There seemed to be a few guys ahead of him on the depth chart
Avalanche Hockey: egressing to the mean
I think it was increasingly likely
that had he stayed at Iowa on defense, his eventual destination was DE. But that is yet another year of limited playing time before he had the size to do so.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Really Hawkeyes?
Every. Fucking. Weekend. With. This. Shit.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 3:42 PM CST reply actions
I mean really?
We were all feeling good, talking about how we’re rebuilding and all….then FUCK YOU FANS!
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Okay.
Back to reality. Calm. Deep breath. Vandy’s replacement is obviously Sokol or Ruddock, so losing a linebacker isn’t a big deal. And I’m going to question Derby’s faithfullness to Iowa. Brother and dad Iowa players and he bails?
That’s not very Hawkeye-Like.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
He probably realized he had a steep curve to play LB and still wanted to be a QB
it didn’t look like Iowa was eager for him to be a QB. So, who can blame him? This isn’t like losing another RB, although I was always interested in him being a QB.
If we’re all honest here, AJ Derby was getting lost in the Iowa shuffle. He’s going into his third year. He was a 4 star recruit. He wants to play. I get this one.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
While the rational side of me says he was buried at Iowa, why would he stay?
the irrational says this is ANOTHER guy leaving the program. The irrational view doesn’t care about status on the team (starter vs. role player) or actual quality of the player (and we don’t REALLY know much about him as a player).
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
The question I have is this
Why can’t we explore uses on offense of a guy with that much athletic talent? OU did a nice job using the (old term coming) Wildcat. Derby would have been great for that.
I’m of a mind that Fry would have used him.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
No shit
Fry would have had the whole kit: A series of ‘Derby’ plays (exotics included), a funny backstory about AJ, he’d give him a cool West Texas nickname, the whole deal.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Jan 16, 2012 4:18 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
either that or he never would have recruited him
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
You know Fry had a guy play QB then TE then back to QB. Forgot his name.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Chuck Long
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 16, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
That would require offensive ingenuity beyond a simple end around.
I don’t think our coaching staff is wired to use that level of trickeration. Hell, we had a converted QB on the field for 3 seasons and I’m not sure he didn’t throw more than 4-5 passes in that time. McNutt would have been an ideal fit for something tricky.
I also agree that Hayden would have found a way to get him on the field if he was truly as athletic as he was billed to be.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
I think we need to cool it with the
idea that someone is to be condemned the second he decides his best path is elsewhere. I’m not saying you’re necessarily guilty of it, but there are a number of people around here who take the worst of the messageboard mentality when it comes to players coming/going: i.e., when he commits the Hawks he was the greatest recruit ever but if he chooses someone else/transfers, he suddenly becomes “not that talented” and/or “probably a criminal anyway”.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Jan 16, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
who said either of those?
Matt Gatens played on some shit teams for 3 years and is finally on one that is competitive. Could have bailed at any time and gone somewhere else. His dad was a Hawkeye, he stuck it out. And for that Gatens will go down as a Hawk Legend. Never quit, never make excuses, never blame anyone, never say it’s not fair. Get on with it.
That’s what Hawkeyes do.
No one said Derby was not talented, no one said he was a criminal. I’m questioning his loyalty, he could have graduated like his dad and brother as Hawkeyes.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Except his dad and borther have actually gotten to see the field and who knows if he would have even with being a talented recruit. I don’t blame him for wanting to go some where he will get an opportunity to play.
Especially when he was brought in as a QB, everyone has been told that he would stay a QB and then all of sudden he is a LB. Like everyone said, probably not what he wanted to do, but did it for the good of the program.
Avalanche Hockey: egressing to the mean
I agree
But no one said he was a criminal or a bad player. That’s not what anyone is saying.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
Let me be clear
You, nor anyone else, did not say Derby was a criminal bad player. But that is something that usually that makes it way into the discussion in the case of transfers. It is far less common here at BHGP, but even then it still rears its head. It was certainly hinted at in both the case of McCall and Coker by 1-2 posters. They certainly weren’t representative of the community here, but it was still there nonetheless.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I'll rec that
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jan 16, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, I'm not that upset about it really
He had already moved on from QB to LB once the writing was on the wall there. He did have some moments on special teams, but the LB situation is actually fairly good. Kirksey, Morris, Hitchens, Alston, Getz (coming back from injury), DiBona (coming back from injury) all have game experience (plus others that were on special teams and/or redshirted or were injured, like Poggi and Cole). My guess is he really wanted to play QB and decided to transfer. Not a big loss.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Jan 16, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Both Getz and DiBona have extremely limited experience
and weren’t exactly world-beaters out there when the were healthy. Given AIRBHG’s younger brother, AILBHG, still lurks around Iowa City, I don’t know that I’m comfortable losing a LB so easily.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I'd like for the (seemingly) turnstile approach to player retention to stop, please.
I don’t like this ride and want it to stop. We actually probably aren’t any worse off than any other major college program, we just follow our roster so much closer than other teams’ that we know more about attrition at Iowa better.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Di Bona was pretty good.
And will be a key player in 2012.
by hawkinsandmelrose on Jan 16, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
I sometimes wonder...
having grown up in the QCA how Iowa is viewed nationally. At what level does a random fan view the program? i see Florida and Texas struggle this year and am reminded that Iowa’s pretty lucky to have a program where complaining about 7-5 is okay. If Iowa went 2-10 the coastal powers-that-be wouldn’t see Iowa any differently than another fly-over program like Indiana.




















