The Takeaway: Tennessee Tech
Sure, Iowa just beat Tennessee Tech, 34-7. But what was so important about beating Tennessee Tech? How much do we really know? What does it all mean, Basil? The Takeaway has the answer.
We are all Mandenbergs. Or Mendenberg. I need a ruling on this one. James Vandenberg sure looked like he belonged under center for this team. At the very least, he showed why there was never any quarterback controversy in Iowa City, not even with OMG AJ DERBY backing him up, not even for one day. That's a major accomplishment for a kid who was a middling prospect out of Keokuk who got offers from Iowa, Nebraska... and some directionals and that's about it. Iowa State passed on him. Yes, the team currently starting Steele Jantz at QB, who my ISU-doting brother described as "flat out untalented in running and especially throwing (and decision making)--other than that, a hell of a qb" after watching him play UNI last week. Yeah, that team looked at JVB and said "no thanks." So he's proven a lot of people wrong since he stepped foot in Iowa City.
But back to the game itself--Vandenberg looked pretty damn good, didn't he? Granted, we're talking about Tennessee Tech's defense here, but I can't tell you how many times Vandenberg's passes were both perfectly timed and perfectly placed. Try to find a way to watch that 88-yard TD he threw to Marvin McNutt in the second quarter. The ball couldn't have been put in a better place at a better time, and that was on an out route. No, it wasn't rifled like Ryan Mallett hitting a guy on a 25-yard out with a laser, but it didn't have to be, and it was wildly successful all the same. The guy Vandenberg reminds me of--and this is going to make Brian Cook shoot nuclear missiles at my house from Ann Arbor in protest--is Chad Henne. They've both got an uncanny touch on their throws, which is FAR more important to keeping a drive alive than being able to throw the ball 75 yards in the air or whatever. They're both... well, they're both not Michael Vick on the move. And they both came up in college behind some damn good college QBs--John Navarre for Michigan (27-9 as a starter), and obviously Ricky Stanzi for Iowa (26-9 as a starter). Henne had four years to start at Michigan (college starts being a key indicator for NFL success at QB), while JVB will only have two, so this comparison will probably break down at some point, but I tell you that if he stays healthy, Vandenberg will be Iowa's Chad Henne and that is very very very good.
We desperately need a better ending to the Mika'il McCall saga than this. Ross already covered the McCall injuryto the point where we don't really need to go over what happened again. Y'all know what happened. Y'all know he's out for the year. Y'all know he at least gets to be a freshman again next year and so at least he'll probably get two seasons as a full time starter if everything goes right for him from here on out.
But like the Spartans responding to the threats of Philip II of Macedon, there's only one word at play here: "If." Because we've got a true freshman, and once we introduce his ankle getting nuked in his first quarter of play, the probability of him making it to Year 5 at Iowa gets smaller and smaller. This is a school that hasn't seen a running back stay on scholarship for his entire run of eligibility since Albert Young and Damian Sims (both 2007 graduates), after all--and lord have we seen men come and go. I'd love to see that trend bucked, for many many reasons, but it'll depend on McCall and Coker to have uncommon devotion to finishing their careers at Iowa. Like, everyone says that when things are going good, and nobody shows up as a Hawkeye saying "I can't wait to transfer!", but McCall has a major hardship in front of him right now and history shows that's a bad omen. Ignore the omens, Mika'il! You are an awesome tailback and we want you around for as long as possible. For serious. Please don't leave or otherwise lose hope.
Jordan Bernstine is happening and that is great. We're not at practice and we don't have "sources" who are, so we don't know what led to Collin Sleeper being given the starting role at SS over Jordan Bernstine, but when it came to one player not only establishing his presence on the field but exerting his will, that was Bernstine ten times more than Sleeper. We're not going to call him Bob Sanders II quite yet or anything, but Bernstine got pads popping often when he was on the field, to the point that Ferentz called him and (sigh) McCall out specifically in postgame comments as "playing at a different level than the rest of our guys when they were in there." He wasn't wrong on either count.
We've mentioned this before on BHGP, mostly in reference to Pat Angerer and the basketball team, but it seems like one underreported aspect of Iowa athletics is how much the high rate of roster turnover hurts the team. Todd Lickliter failed for many reasons, but principal among them was his total inability to keep any of his point guards around, ever. Ever. If you're running a "thinking man's offense" or however else Butler-ball got packaged by announcers, the last thing you want is a never-ending stream of first-year point guards who spend one year running the show and high-tailing it out of town before the next.
Similarly, there is a great deal of value in retaining football players through the end of their eligibility, no matter how crappy their first year or two has gone. Nobody would have blamed Pat Angerer for transferring after he spent two malady-plagued years on the roster and then found himself out of the two-deeps going into his redshirt sophomore year. Likewise, Shonn Greene could have tired of being recruited by Kirk Ferentz for a third time and gone somewhere else for a "fresh start," and it would have totally made sense. And then Iowa wouldn't have had guys like that as anchors in 2009, and nobody would have missed them, because they would have just been "guys who didn't work out" at that point and not "future leaders."
So if Jordan Bernstine had announced after this spring that he was taking his talents elsewhere, well, who would have objected, or thought anything other than "he didn't pan out so whatever"? His career up to this point had been wracked by major injuries and a general inability to crack the starting lineup, despite his four-star status as a recruit and his substantial athleticism. When he caught the rhabdo back in January, that would have been the perfect "out" for him, and it would have been "Next Man In" and that'd be that. Except he stayed. And kept working his ass off. And now here he is playing on that "different level" and probably earning himself a starting spot at safety for the time being. This is what we miss when guys transfer away, and if you think transfers haven't hurt Iowa at key positions in recent years, look at what James Cleveland did at Houston, or Dezman Moses at Tulane. The Hawkeyes could have used that kind of production, and it really sucks that their careers at Iowa didn't pan out, even while acknowledging that both of their transfers were brought on by bad acts on their own part. Like, yeah, that's true, but it would have been nice to see them work to bring that kind of production back to Iowa and not to some C-USA schools instead.
It's just Week 1 and Tennessee Tech. It would be easy to balk at Iowa gaining just 4.5 yards a pop against Tennessee Tech, or to see that the team miserably failed to cover the 42-point spread in the 34-7 victory, or Marcus Coker and his two early fumbles and his 41 whole yards of rushing, or that A.J. Derby went just 2-5 against a I-AA defense, which oh my god that's like 1-10 against Michigan State if you really think about it, isn't it, and yeah yeah yeah. Iowa still won, and won easily, and that's about all Kirk Ferentz really cares about when it comes down to it (like it or not). He clearly doesn't care about the spread; anyone who put any money on Iowa-ISU 2008 knows that excruciatingly well. Yeah, Iowa underwhelmed against a I-AA opponent, but the last time they did that, it was 2010 where Iowa won 37-7 against EIU when they were favored by 39... and the very next week they went out and beat ISU by 28. The time before that, it was 2009, when the Hawkeyes needed to use the Block Field Goal Cheat Code twice in a row to beat UNI by one whole point... and the very next week they went out and beat ISU by 32. This might be all the in-season information we've got to evaluate Iowa on, but it's still a really small sample size, and extrapolating anything off of it is an exercise in stupidity, especially as it relates to predicting performance against ISU the very next week (seriously, look at Iowa over the last decade, and explain how much the scores prior to ISU week tell us how the Iowa-ISU games will go).
So yeah. That game and its rain and lightning and INTs returned for touchdowns and its everything else are done. It's Iowa State week now. Hate week. And by god are we going to hate Iowa State this week. Let's do this.
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It feels so good.
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
If Vandy is the next Chad Henne, does that make
Keenan Davis the next Braylon Edwards? Please, please, please, please!
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
Davis is probably more Adrian Arrington than Braylon Edwards.
by The Mexican't on Sep 6, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll take that.
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
Because they both went to the same high school?
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 6, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably.
But also because I feel like Davis would have a more obscure career in the NFL than Edwards, assuming he plays in the NFL at all. I didn’t even know which team Arrington was a member of until 10 seconds ago.
by The Mexican't on Sep 6, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
why?
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
Welp, that's all the proof I need, thanks rosko
Ceci n'est pas un blogue.
by Adam Jacobi on Sep 6, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rosko. NFL tallent Critic.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 6, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Great point about injuries, attrition, and transfers
Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
Great story. Compellling, and rich.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 6, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
The only cool thing about Steele Jantz is that that steele is how Thomas Hobbes would spell steel.
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
by ReadingRambler on Sep 6, 2011 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Men of Steele

Does this make Jack Trice Stadium the Fortress of Solitude?
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
by Kluginator on Sep 6, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
I thought it was the Masturbatorium
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 6, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I never thought Spicoli could look any douchier.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 6, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
What I know about playing Iowa State
is in 2009 we beat UNI by 1 then beat ISU 35-3. ISU beat UNI by 1 this year. So they should beat themselves by 32 points, plus whatever we add on. So I’m counting on 3 interceptions and 1 fumble returned for TDs, plus 2 safeties. And let’s say 3 TD by JVB
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
wasn't 2009 when TMFS had three, Epic Greenway had 2 picks?
Man I miss Austin Arnaud. Although Steele Jantz sounds just as talented. None returned for TD’s but our secondary is more athletic this year I feel.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Sep 6, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
This is sound logic, are you a fancy math scientist?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 6, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
We prefer the term
mathmatologist
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Sep 6, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Darn it,
I was hoping he was a mathmatiatrist so he could prescribe me some drugs.
by DrHenryKillinger on Sep 6, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you think they discovered imaginary numbers?
And sorry, but somebody was high as hell when they came up with shit like

These were actually complex ways for Albert Einstein to communicate with his dealer, unbeknownst to anyone else, during his very busy lecture hall days. DRUGS hasn’t been around this summer due to his complete immersion in the study of The Oxford Deal.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 6, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Non-euclidian geometry
Which I think is used to calculate BCS standings.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 6, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
As a math teacher
I would make a comment about mathemagicians or transcendental numbers or integrating Bernstein into the ISU score, but I’m tired.
Bethany: Were they sent to Hell?
Metatron: Worse. Wisconsin. For the entire span of human history.
by kurthy on Sep 6, 2011 8:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Just make sure you ask for math "rocks" and not "rock".
I mean, I love Touch & Go Records as much as the next guy but I can only listen to so much U.S. Maple before my eyeballs roll out of my head.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 7, 2011 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions
The Tenn Tech spread was actually 35
I know there was some online book that had 42 early in the week, but by the time the major books put up a line Saturday morning it was 35. That’s what I got, anyway.
On AJ Derby
The stats say he was 2-5, but receivers dropped two passes that hit them in the hands. He should have been a minimum of 4-5 and I thought he looked real good.
YES BUT WITH HIS HIGH SCHOOL STAR RATING IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 12 FOR 10!
THAT’S RIGHT, HE SHOULD HAVE COMPLETYED TWO MORE PASSES THAN HE THREW! NOTHING IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR US HAWKEYE NATION POSTERS! FIRE SOUP AND KOK! PULL VANDY’S SCHOLLY!
SET THE TOWN ON FIRE!!!
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 6, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
SET THE TOWN ON FIRE!!!
Come on, that’s just crazy.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Sep 6, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
besides, after Saturday's rains
it will be weeks before the town is remotely flammable.
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
by Kluginator on Sep 6, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Exactly.
We’re going to Ames on Saturday — set that town on fire.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Sep 6, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
like a flaming bag of dog excrement.
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
Don't put it out with your boots Ted!
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 6, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
With modern construction techniques, it's become much more difficult to casually set a town on fire.
"Let me finish or I will hammerpunch your clavicle." -Steve Youngblood
by SomeJerkPoster on Sep 6, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
STUPID MODERN LIFE
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
NOT IF I HIRE DRAGONS, JERKWAD
"Oh, glorious cheeseburger, we bow to thee. The secrets of the Universe are between the buns."
by Bucketochicken on Sep 6, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
It is known.
"Oh, glorious cheeseburger, we bow to thee. The secrets of the Universe are between the buns."
by Bucketochicken on Sep 6, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
It is known.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 6, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I rec'd yours just a bit harder than BOC's simply for the perfect parroting.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 7, 2011 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, and for those of you who care
sneak peak at Season 2’s casting.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 7, 2011 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Modern life is rubbish
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 6, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Early 90s Blur reference? On a Tuesday?
Please, during weekdays, if you must reference Damon Albarn, it should be via his Gorillaz work.
(Of course, I’m kidding.)
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 6, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
...

"Let me finish or I will hammerpunch your clavicle." -Steve Youngblood
by SomeJerkPoster on Sep 6, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Under the shite
does that say Mogwai? I like Mogwai, and would like them more for this shirt.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 6, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, it is Mogwai merchandise.
"Let me finish or I will hammerpunch your clavicle." -Steve Youngblood
by SomeJerkPoster on Sep 6, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually love both bands.
Coincidentally, in my 50+ rock show experience, Blur and Mogwai are the two loudest acts I’ve ever seen. Pretty sure Mogwai made blood vessels in my face burst.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 7, 2011 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Then you have
a new EP to check out.
"Let me finish or I will hammerpunch your clavicle." -Steve Youngblood
by SomeJerkPoster on Sep 7, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
WEMUSTKUNGFUFIGHT!
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 6, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
WE GOTTA START THINKING BIGGER THAN COUCHES!
WHEN’S THE LAST TIME BURNING FURNITURE WON US A CHAMPIONSHIP!? HUH??!
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 6, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't try to out West Virgina
West Virginia. They’re pros
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Sep 6, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
THE TIME FOR RUDOCK IS NOW!!!
Anyone who says otherwise is nothing more than a blatant homer, JVB’s mom, or Ferentz himself! WHY CAN"T YOU SEE THE OBVIOUS? NONE OF THESE GUYS ARE GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
On a semi-related note
I was bummed by the lack of JVB mom shots on Saturday.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Another takeaway for me...I'm feeling better about the D-Line.
They missed tackles, sure…but I attribute that to their QB being pretty darned elusive.
At the game, I couldn't tell what kind of push they were getting up front.
It didn’t look great from my point of view, was it any better on TV?
Burt Reynolds is my spirit guide.
I would worry less about them getting penetration...
and more about them getting pushed backwards five yards against the run.
That's what i meant
It seemed like there were decent running lanes. But it was my first game at Kinnick in 7 years and I felt like I had no idea what was going on for about 1/2 the plays.
Burt Reynolds is my spirit guide.
They look small...
If Wisconsin was on the docket this year it would be ugly.
As in 52-49 u pick'em ugly?
Because I think even this Iowa offense with its question marks could score frequently on WI. Of course, I’m assuming that the Iowa offense of the 2nd quarter is what the offense will be in good conditions without the first game yips from Coker (optimist).
When WI loses it will be because they can’t get the opponent off the field. There will be shootouts, and while they can score a ton of points they might find themselves in some “last team with the ball wins” situations.
Iowa's a gas half full offense..
with a ceiling output of 35-38.
Clearly
Because Saturday was all the evidence I need to agree with this statement completely. Sorry, I am wrong and must yield to your superior logic.
To start with...
I wasn’t disagreeing with you. Nevermind.
How does saying Iowa has a max output of 35-38 agree with my assertion that a first team to 50 with WI is possible?
Not being literal...
and why are you picking arguments?
Generally when somebody disagrees with me I like to find out why
It’s called debate and it happens on here quite a bit. I admit that my snarky response was probably uncalled for and I apologize for that.
So you’re not being literal when you throw out a range of numbers in reply to a statement using a higher number? Also, after reading your brief dismissal of Keenan’s NFL chances, I was mildly annoyed at what appeared to be a quick dismissal of the offense without much reasoning behind it. Oh well, I guess I should have just assumed that your reasons were the same as the concerns voiced by others throughout the weekend.
We make peace
and my point was that no matter how bad a blowout seems to be the last couple of years in the first half the foot comes off the gas and that in those games it always ends up around 35 – something.
Having a pouring rain&lightning storm will kind of slow down scoring
We were at their goal-line – using all subs – when time expired but they were instructed to run the time out. If Johnson had broke the next to last run, we’d have had a final of 41-7 with the PAT. I’m guessing we would have put up 41 (at least) on them had the game not been interrupted by weather.
What we should be a lot happier about is that we got to play a LOT of people on Saturday who normally haven’t played in the past in these kind of games. I think the concussions and injuries from last year got the staff’s attention – if you’re leading an inferior opponent by 3 TDs, you let the 2nd and 3rd strings in. Its a long season, and those game minutes may end up hurting us statistically but we are banking for future Ws by getting the 2nd and 3rd string guys who will be the starters someday game time. A lot of game time.
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Sep 6, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The delay was also a big part of it.
The coaches don’t want to risk a guy due to tight muscles (I’m sure you know about this) after the delay. No reason to. Put fresh bodies in and play another scrimmage.
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-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 6, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Might they be in trouble versus Michigan?
"Oh, glorious cheeseburger, we bow to thee. The secrets of the Universe are between the buns."
by Bucketochicken on Sep 6, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Overpursuit, overpursuit, overpursuit.
I recorded last night’s airing of the game on BTN (fingers crossed my DVR doesn’t fuck this one up, too) and watched it until McNutt’s second TD in the third quarter. I thought the defensive line looked fairly good in terms of getting penetration and harassing Tech’s midget QB. Alvis, in particular, was just living in the backfield for a while. Unfortunately, he was also overpursuing like crazy and never managed to get a sack. Fortunately, I think that’s fairly correctable with a little film work and experience. I can see why Alvis was drawing the Klug and King comparisons, though. He’s not as good as them yet (duh), but he’s definitely of that ilk. It was nice to see Binns and Daniels playing with a lot of fire, too.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Over pursuit
and I thought it was you that pointed this out on Sunday, a lot of the failure to catch that little TT QB seems related to our guys being 100lbs heavier and everybody running around on a slick surface.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Probably wasn't me since I was barely around on Saturday.
But I think there’s definitely some truth to that. The surface will (hopefully) be better in future games and future QBs our defenders are trying to chase down won’t be waterbugs.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Seems to me JVB had a lot more zip on the ball 2 seasons ago..
… the OSU game he was rifling them. Maybe nerves. I wonder how much the weather altered his throwing/delivery? Lord knows there were a few dropped balls. Glad to hear Coker is pretty upset about her performance. Hopefully, he’s shaken the rust off and the dropsies. D-line looked hungry and the weather/qb made things interesting. At times they seemed to over-pursue.
"Hardcore will never die, but you will."
tough to squeeze a wet football
JVB said after the game that the ball was tough to grip and he felt like he was “shot putting” some of his throws. Still, i thought he was pretty accurate, much better than the TT center, he was making life exciting for his qb with a lot of those shotgun snaps.
We're gonna need a montage. Ooh, it takes a montage.
by The Mario Pace Experience on Sep 6, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I must agree, but I think he's got a significantly quicker delivery than Stanzi.
There will be many more slants/completed 5-yard stops/outs this year.
"...take it to Hamsterdam."
Hell, you look at his high school highlight reel
The guy – and this is before he’s had the Iowa conditioning program work on him for a few years – has a hell of a strong arm to begin with. Ricky is a great leader at QB, but the only way he’s going to get any PT at the next level – other than mop-up duty, or being thrown in because of injury to the starter on whatever team(s) he sticks with – is to work on his arm strength. I get the feeling watching Vandy that he’s got far more control than Ricky did – he can laser it IF he needs to – and in wet conditions I’ll bet Ricky would’ve gotten picked off at least once yesterday.
My biggest worry about Vandy is his wheels. He does look a little immobile out there so we may be glad, as the season progresses, that we’ve got a shitload of FBs because they’re going to take a lot of abuse blocking the blitzes.
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Sep 6, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I would agree it was a wet ball (LOL).
McNutt said in the preseason that his velocity was better than Stanzi’s this year.
Marc Morehouse said that Tennessee Tech was the worst team
he had ever seen in Kinnick Stadium — inall his time covering the Hawks.That might be true but the weather was the enemy in that game, not TT. And Iowa handled it fairly well. I’d give them a B/B+ in fact. They made FGs and extra points and got their kicks away. They completed tough passes and were solid in the defensive backfield (where guys could have slipped and given up all kinds of things). Take away Coker’s fumbles and the D-line letting that little Lamb slip through their grasp a few times, and this was a total whitewash. TT was never a threat at any time when 1st unit went against 1st unit.
Last year against Eastern Illinois Stanzi played until the 8:30 mark of the 4th quarter. So clearly Ferentz felt pretty comfortable with how things were going out there as he made wholesale substitutions late in 3rd quarter.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
They weren't good, but that suspension-weakened Ball State team was far worse.
I’m not sure that incarnation of Ball State we “played” a few years ago could have beat St. Ambrose that day. Wretched.
Yeah, that was one hopeless squad.
There have been a few other MACrificial lambs we’ve played that were pretty brutal.
I do think this might have been the weakest I-AA team we’ve played, though. UNI and Montana were far better. I guess it’s a toss-up with EIU and Maine.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Hey, man! Fighting Bee alum here!
But yeah. That team was awful.
by One Night Stanzi on Sep 6, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Just looked at the two deeps and was pretty surprised to see
10 seniors are starting and another 7 in the second team. Then we have 8 juniors starting as well, leaving only five sophomore and no freshmen on the first team.
That suggests to me we have as much experience as anyone else in the Big Ten this year. For some reason I have been thinking of us as a young team.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Oh, Meyers (FB) is a redshirt freshman. So he rounds it out.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
We're inexperienced in the sense that many of them have not started before this year.
"...take it to Hamsterdam."
That's true, but
in the Ferentz system these players are quite mature. As stated above, it’s a bit stunning that we are not micromanaging James Vandenberg’s first game (as we did Ricky Stanzi’s so long ago). We just assume the kid is ready. Hell, he played like 20 plays last year. If that.
But, yeah, we lack a lot of starting experience but we have a lot guys who have been in the pipeline for a LONG time and they cannot use as an excuse, “I’m still getting comfortable with our system.”
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I liked Meyer on the field goals and extra points.
It would be nice to not have to hold my breath on those attempts this year.
Be nice to get a little more distance on kickoffs, though.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I'll give Meyer a pass on the kickoff distance
until next week. Let’s see how he does when there isn’t a monsoon he’s kicking through and the field isn’t so wet he’s falling on his ass.
Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.
Morehouse must be new to Kinnick
Apparently, he doesn’t remember the “Maine.” That was just three years ago.
Hell, I’ve seen pre-Fry Iowa teams that were worse than Tennessee Tech. Still remember losing 50-0 to an Illinois team that had a losing record. I’m old.
As I said above, being able to empty the benches is a *good thing*
I really don’t care if we could rack 50-60-70 points – remember those ridiculous Wisconsin scores from last year – by leaving the starters in… the injury risk + not focusing on future player development I’ll take 35-7 or 35-14 or so every single fucking day. Thank you very much.
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Sep 6, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Bernstein/Sleeper
Two deeps for the ISU games show Sleeper still listed as the starter. That may have more to do with Bernstein being used more as a jack-of-all-trades in the defensive backfield.
Alvis is now listed as the other starter at DT.
Yeah I think they might just really like him in that hybrid corner/safety role
Especially with Lowery out and the corner depth a bit lacking
Of the 2 deeps are frequently pretty worthless so it might still get the majority of snaps at SS.
I think we are all Mendenberg.
That is all.
"There are no Pan Asian supermarkets down in hell, so you can't buy Golden Boy peanuts." - The Mountain Goats
that statement could be considered sexist....
….what of the Womendenbergs?
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
In that case, your comment is also sexist.
They would need to be Womyndenberg. Only then will they be free from the yoke of our peniscentric ideas!
"There are no Pan Asian supermarkets down in hell, so you can't buy Golden Boy peanuts." - The Mountain Goats
by cafreema on Sep 6, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How could I have been so blind!!!!!
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
You were thinking about boobies?
"There are no Pan Asian supermarkets down in hell, so you can't buy Golden Boy peanuts." - The Mountain Goats
FIGHT THE FALACRACY!
Hey hey, ho ho. This penis party’s got to go.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 6, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I see Mandenberg and all I can think about is...
Mandelbaum, Mandelbaum, Mandelbaum!

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Sep 6, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Q. Are we not Mendenberg?
A. No, we are Derby!
"Let me finish or I will hammerpunch your clavicle." -Steve Youngblood
by SomeJerkPoster on Sep 6, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Appears I was late to the party on the Devo reference.
"Let me finish or I will hammerpunch your clavicle." -Steve Youngblood
by SomeJerkPoster on Sep 6, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, Mendenbergs is what we are.
Where’s Bob with his manboobies to cry into?
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 6, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I've loved The Dawson ever since he played while Stanzi was injured in 09
he lost both games, but could have won both against decent teams, and just looked downright competent the whole time. Really impressive stuff.
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
Actually he beat Minnesota.
That doesn’t count as a decent team, but still.
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
by ReadingRambler on Sep 6, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Plus it barely counts as a win.
Both teams looked horrible that day…
Carpe Diem! - Seize the Carp!
by pollo diablo on Sep 6, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I think we may have our expectations for JVB a little low, if anything
Everyone seems satisfied with him being “ok”. We’re thrilled if he’s “good”. While I am also a member of this line of thinking, wtf? Where’s our swagger? Shouldn’t we expect a no QB controversy junior that spent the last two years learning from one of Iowa’s top 5 or so QBs of all time to be pretty damn good, if not great?
Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.
I agree...
especially if he’s beating out some top notch recruits like Derby and that Florida kid.
Vandenberg having the starting job ahead of Derby and Rudock shouldn't be a surprise.
In fact, if JVB weren’t the starter he’d have to be considered nothing more than a disappointment.
by The Mexican't on Sep 6, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Vandenberg was very accomplished coming out of high school....
Most prolific passer in Iowa high school history . . . holds 12 different Iowa high school passing records, including career passing yards (7,709), touchdown passes (93), single season passing yards (3,729 as a senior) and single season touchdown passes (49 as a senior) . . . ranks sixth all-time nationally in single-season completion percentage (70%) and 10th nationally in career completion percentage (64.6%) . . . passed for 1,325 yards and 15 touchdowns as a sophomore . . . threw for 2,655 yards and 29 touchdowns as a junior . . . intercepted only seven times in 372 attempts as a senior
- from Player Bio
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
As the guy who made the "Are we overrating JVB?" post last week...
…I was pretty impressed. He was very accurate on short throws. The drops weren’t great, but I think we can safely say they were more a function of the weather than this throwing too hard a ball to catch easily (Jeff George Syndrome).
That said, his deep balls weren’t fantastic. The throw to McNutt showed excellent touch, and it was a corner/out route. But he missed Keenan deep a couple times—once in the end zone that could’ve been an INT against a better DB, and once when Keenan did his amazing shoeless catch.
Again, bad weather and a small sample, but I give him an A on the short routes and a B on the deeper stuff. I really hope he can fling it deep going forward though, because McNutt and Davis are fantastic weapons. Based on JVB’s high school highlights, he likes to chuck it too.
by Notclevr on Sep 6, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Were either of the fade routes really "deep" throws?
They were poor throws, no doubt, but mostly because they were thrown to the wrong shoulder. I’m not sure either would be classified as a deep route.
by The Mexican't on Sep 6, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't seem to me
to be the kind of guy you extol the talents of that much, even when he’s playing his best football. I think the Henne comparison is pretty apt, because when Henne was around he was pretty much the guy who distributed the football and didn’t make stupid mistakes. Of course, this isn’t to say he didn’t win Big Blue games or wasn’t the best guy on the field at times, but his role was to sustain long drives and put the ball in the hands of his playmakers. That seems to me what JVDB’s role is, and given how Iowa’s offensive philosophy is a little more conservative than Carr’s offenses were, I expect him to be just solid quarterback who can be relied upon. And you can win a lot of games with a solid, responsible quarterback in the B1G.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 6, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't Henne own pretty much all of the significant Michigan passing records?
Granted, that’s also a function of being a four-year starter and staying reasonably healthy (see also: DJK), but he was no slouch. Looking at his career stats:
2004: 2743 yards, 60.2%, 25 TD, 12 INT
2005: 2551 yards, 58.4%, 23 TD, 8 INT
2006: 2508 yards, 61.9%, 22 TD, 8 INT
2007: 1938 yards, 58.3%, 17 TD, 9 INT
averg: 2435 yards, 59-60%, 22 TD, 9 INT
If Vandy has a year on par with that, I think we’ll all be pretty happy with the results.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
No slouch indeed.
I didn’t mean to suggest Henne wasn’t excellent for UM… just that he wasn’t a total world-beater. Mike Hart was the workhorse in that offense, and Henne had at least two NFL-caliber receivers to throw to every year he played, several of whom are still starters in the league. He certainly benefited from the skill-position talent around him, but that’s not fair to Henne. Every solid quarterback of a high-profile program that annually secures top end recruits benefits from the talent. Henne just wasn’t the guy in that offense for at least three of the years he was there, and I think that’s how I feel about Vandenberg.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 6, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Brady was pre-Henne
Obviously this makes Stanzi the Tom Brady of Iowa football.
by The Mexican't on Sep 6, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Pfffffft.
More like Tom Brady was the pre-Stanzi of Michigan football.
"Oh, glorious cheeseburger, we bow to thee. The secrets of the Universe are between the buns."
by Bucketochicken on Sep 6, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
O-Line Questionable
Maybe this is a little knit-picky, but the O-Line didn’t look as good as I thought. For a between the tackles running team playing an undersized team, I thought our running game would be much better. Sure, they put 9 men in the box, but so did Missouri during the Insight Bowl.
I may love the Steelers, but I live and die by my Hawkeyes.
At least Vandenberg wasn't getting pounded by unblocked Indiana State linebackers.
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
by ReadingRambler on Sep 6, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Was that happening to McGloin?
I still haven’t seen the PSU game.
by The Mexican't on Sep 6, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
AAAARRRGGGHHHH!! McGLOIN!!!

"Oh, glorious cheeseburger, we bow to thee. The secrets of the Universe are between the buns."
by Bucketochicken on Sep 6, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I used that last year on BSD
and nobody had any idea what I was talking about. Is that show too “English” for Pennsylvanians?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 6, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Pictures are of the Devil!
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
by ReadingRambler on Sep 6, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Hand-written texts are the only way to go, right?
I forget: where do the Amish stand on illuminated manuscripts? Too fancy, I’m guessing.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
They would have to be candlelit.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 6, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Graven images of the genital area of a cartoon George C. Scott are a sin
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 6, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
What in the haypile does illuminated mean?
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
by ReadingRambler on Sep 6, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Look it up, heathen.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
He's posting to us via the devil's own series of tubes, so he's already damned.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Wrong.
According to our legends, tubes were invented by a German. While the Germans, with all their damned technology, are too much like the English anymore, at least they keep things orderly.
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
by ReadingRambler on Sep 6, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
No, Bolden.
It only happened twice or thrice, but I think you’ll agree that that’s still too much.
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
by ReadingRambler on Sep 6, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the offensive line is something that gets better through the season.
And one of the reasons that Iowa has had, until recently, as being a team that gets better as the season progresses. tobin might make a big difference, but I didn’t see anything that makes me think they won’t still be a solid line.
meh
Also, you have to get a rhythm going with run blocking. After McCall got hurt, Iowa did a lot of passing. Early in the game, when they were working run and pass, the o-line looked fine.
In addition, the wet field conditions negate some of the size advantage for Iowa.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
No Sacks,
any game with that stat is a good game.
by 2LastNameWideReceiver on Sep 6, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only guy I happened to pay much attention to
was Zusevics. And he played pretty well by my account.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 6, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Tobin didn’t look that great, but he’s about the third option at that spot: MacMillan than Scherff THEN Tobin. I actually thought Gettis looked decent on the right side, what little I noticed of him.
Since it’s looking increasingly like MacMillan won’t play this year, I hope Scherff is ready to go soon or Tobin improves a lot, quickly.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
next weekend will show some things
even if don’t see a single pass all day. i saw the UNI/ISU game in Ames last week. It rained for the first half of Ames after some pretty impressive natural pyrotechnics earlier in the day. Then the wind howled for much of the second half. That game would have been suspended too if it would have been going on during boom-boom time.
If both of Iowa’s lines don’t absolutely bulldoze the guys wearing red around the field, it could be a long year for the good guys. there were over 20 penalties, probably about 50/50 between personal fouls and false starts. It was very frustrating to watch.
UNI punched them in the mouth every play and pushed them around pretty well. they were clearly the aggressors in that battle. it will be interesting to see if anyone in red steps up and plays angry next week vs the good guys.
Anyone here old enough to remember DB? A real old school baseball coach...
by two_niner_was_old_school on Sep 6, 2011 11:01 AM CDT reply actions
Um... boom boom time.
Still chuckling.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 6, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
A poem by Tyrone Greene
Dark and lonely on the summer night.
Kill the Cyclones, kill the Cyclones.
Watchdog barking – Do he bite?
Kill the Cyclones, kill the Cyclones.
Slip in his window,
Break his neck!
Then his house
I start to wreck!
Got no reason —
What the heck!
Kill the Cyclones, kill the Cyclones.
C-I-L-L …
The Cy-Clones…
by djwoody on Sep 6, 2011 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Here is your ruling, Jacobi

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields
by rockyh on Sep 6, 2011 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
The best track on that record is "Mendgaloid".
Great reference.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 6, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
"Mandgeloid". Joke spelling fail.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 6, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh god, don't do that to me.
Great, the rest of the week I’ll be all “Mandgeloid he was a Mandgeloid, happy as he could be…”
Shit, it’s starting already.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 6, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
One other wonderful thing about Iowa football starting back up
is that we are treated to increased long-form output from Mr. Jacobi. At the risk of appearing to be an ass-kisser, the more I’ve explored SBN (which I have thoroughly due to my crippling addiction to expansion rumors/coverage) the more I’ve realized that there are a select few with writing gifts who do this in addition to their “real” lives out of sheer passion. And there there are the other roughly 50% who are complete hacks/nuts posting whatever they think at that exact moment and hope it sticks. When I read an all-encompassing, engaging piece like this I’m thankful we have a professional covering our guys. That’s more than the Press Citizen can say.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
Hear, hear.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 6, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure Adam would disagree with me as he seems like a very modest guy
But you generally don’t get to write articles for the major publications like he’s done so far if you suck – at least, not for very long, and his “non-BHGP” material is very very good.
And I’m a harsh critic of writing, as I’m an Iowa english major and I took about every writing course you could as an undergrad. Adam is a good writer and an entertaining writer at the same time, which is a rare combination.
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Sep 6, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Adam writes for the same site
that employs Greg Doyel and Dennis Dodd. They’ve both been there for a while. Just sayin’.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 6, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
And their page views get better the worst the schleck they bash out
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Sep 6, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I looked all over for a footnote
bummed.
by jtothep on Sep 6, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does he demand you pronounce the 2nd "g" when speaking to him?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 7, 2011 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions
YOUR NOSE IS BROWN
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
by ReadingRambler on Sep 6, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Good. Now it will match his thumbs.
"u r awesome" ~ my daughter
by The Bird Cult on Sep 6, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
It's more of an olive complexion but, yes, Rambler is a butter-churning bigot.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 7, 2011 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Them cows are a bad influence on me.
Chakey’s Holsteins are constantly getting into racist fights with the Jerseys he uses to thicken the milk.
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2011 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions
We all know you Pennsylvania Dutch are racist, at least your animals
I saw a gang of white sheep kicking the tar out of a black one this weekend on my hike through the 717.

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