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The Takeaway: Louisiana-Monroe

Sure, Iowa just beat Louisiana-Monroe, 45-17. But what was important about beating the Warhawks? How much do we really know? What does it all mean, Basil? The Takeaway has the answer.

Kirk Ferentz got on the drugs. Kirk Ferentz opened up a game using a no-huddle spread for the entire first drive. I can't overestimate what a system shock this is. This is P.J. Carlesimo writing for Free Darko. This is Vince Lombardi trading in his glasses for Macho Man shades. This doesn't happen.

And yet happen it did, and of course, Iowa rolled to the most delightful first-quarter touchdown against a Sun Belt team in program history, going 73 yards in 9 plays for the first of six Hawkeye TDs on the day. The fans convinced that Kirk Ferentz and Ken O'Keefe were conservative to a serious fault (/raising hand) had even less of a case to make than after the fourth quarter of last week's comeback, and all of a sudden, Iowa looked like the type of opponent that could rip off quick points if a defense got lazy with its substitutions and pre-huddle preparation. Again: Iowa. That.

Of course, let's see if Ferentz actually keeps that gambit in his playbook against a real defense, because ULM certainly does not qualify in that regard, but at the very least it's a card that he has played, and therefore one that conference opponents are going to have to respect in some regard going forward -- so long as it doesn't become a relic along the lines of "Greg Helmers, 3-point threat."*

Um, oh my god, the Iowa passing game: Coming into the season, Phil Steele ranked Iowa's QB unit 10th of 12 in the Big Ten, and the receivers tied with Nebraska's at 7th, right behind Minnesota. I would venture a guess that Steele would revise both of those rankings just a tad after these first four weeks. James Vandenberg is still a considerable distance away from being an All-Big Ten QB in a conference that boasts Denard Robinson, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, and Nathan Scheelhaase (and probably a 100% Dan Persa, but god, who knows how that's turning out anymore), but he's making passes that basically nobody has made for Kirk Ferentz before. That fade route to Marvin McNutt this week? The out route to McNutt that went for a long score against Tennessee Tech? The game-winning pass to Kevonte Martin-Manley against Pitt? Those were perfect throws. That doesn't make Vandenberg a perfect quarterback by any stretch of the imagination, of course; he's currently going through progressions at a level a little below Brad Banks, which is to say not very well, but JVB also has another 20 starts in front of him to make strides here. We expect he will. 

Of course, it helps to be throwing to a crop of wideouts like the one Iowa's boasting.

Star-divide

It would be inaccurate to say that Kirk Ferentz doesn't have a history of getting a lot out of his wide receivers; look at the 2002-2005 spree that WRs like C.J. Jones, Maurice Brown, Ed Hinkel, and Clinton Solomon went on. Hell, Ferentz got dozens of starts out of Andy Brodell and Colin Sandeman. That's talent optimization there, right?

And yet, it is an inescapable fact that since the hiring of WR coach Erik Campbell after Michigan dumped Lloyd Carr in favor of Rich Rodriguez (hee!), Iowa's wideout situation has never been better. Derrell Johnson-Koulianos rewrote the record books for receptions and receiving yardage, and even though he'd have been gone this year regardless of the drug arrest, the 2011 Iowa WR crop is even better this year than in years past. Marvin McNutt's not going to touch DJK's numbers in receptions and receiving yardage, but McNutt is well on the way to not only breaking but obliterating Iowa's career receiving touchdowns mark; he's only one score away from tying Tim Dwight and Danan Hughes at 21. Being that McNutt has four scores in four games already this season, they've already commissioned a casket and hearse for that career record.

More than that, though, McNutt and Vandenberg have a rapport that is at times unstoppable. We've already mentioned two scoring passes between the two, but those are only the most consequential of several passes from JVB to McNutt that, frankly, Ricky Stanzi wasn't throwing. Don't get us wrong, Stanzi-to-McNutt was a very good connection. JVB-to-McNutt is better.

It also helps that Keenan Davis is a legitimate, no-questions-asked second option at wideout, having improved to a degree that we're not used to seeing from Iowa WRs, like, ever. Davis has always have prototypical size, speed, and other measurables, but he doesn't even resemble the player he was as a freshman. He's not going to touch any career records, but it's not out of the question that he challenges the Iowa season records like Keith Chapelle's 1037 receiving yards or Mo Brown's 11 receiving TDs in 2012 -- if McNutt doesn't push past those numbers this year.

And then, of course, Kevonte Martin-Manley is already making big plays in this, his redshirt freshman year with the program. If he too stays healthy, lord only knows how far up KMM finishes in Iowa's record books.

All of this is to say, barring injury or other career-shorteners, this is likely going to end up being Iowa's best WR corps ever, and it delights me to know that a QB as talented as James Vandenberg is throwing to them and will likely have two full seasons to do so. Similarly, it's great to see that JVB has such a talented WR corps to throw to and isn't dealing with a situation like "starting wide receiver Herb Grigsby" or something similarly disastrous.

Vandenberg probably isn't going to keep up this torrid pace once the Big Ten season starts, since he's struggled significantly in the face of legitimate pressure so far. It's one thing to throw immaculately placed passes against ULM's pass rush; it's another to do so with 2.7 seconds before a Big Ten linebacker comes untouched on an outside blitz. If Vandenberg can make the strides there that Stanzi did during his own Hawkeye career, he'll probably go down as one of the best post-Chuck Long QBs in Hawkeye history.

And finally, the best day for the RB corps yet. Much will be made of Marcus Coker's 114 yards on 6.3 yards a pop on Saturday, and that's a welcome development for sure. Once again, Coker consistently gained positive yardage against a defense that was selling out to stop him, and he even uncorked a few long gains after breaking tackles, as he had done more reliably last season.

But at the same time, again, this is just ULM, and the Big Ten has no shortage of tailbacks who can put up a hundy on ULM's rush defense. There were tackles broken yesterday that aren't going to be broken when it's a Nebraska or even Michigan linebacker attempting them, so let's not make too much of a deal out of Coker's big numbers.

No, the real story is the welcome emergence of two change-of-pace backs in freshmen Damon Bullock and Jordan Canzeri, who both showed flashes of the same dynamic rushing style Mika'il McCall brought to the table before his ghastly ankle injury in Week 1. Neither Canzeri nor Bullock are big enough to put in more than 5-10 carries in any given week, to say nothing of the liability they both present in pass coverage, but they're also significantly better than Coker at getting to the point of attack with the right amount of force and timing when it actually comes to rushing the ball. Coker is by far the strongest runner Iowa has had since Shonn Greene (if not, oh, Nick Bell), but watching Canzeri and Bullock hit the holes as they open in that Ferentzian one-cut style served as a stark contrast to the odd, slow-developing nature of Coker's carries. It also doesn't help that Coker hasn't been 100% since before the season started, of course, but all the same Iowa finds itself in a position where its most productive and complete running back is also the one with the worst footwork right now, so the more Canzeri and Bullock can spell Coker, the less wear and tear Coker can accumulate during the year and the more he can work on getting back to his 2010 level of production. This is a very, very good thing. For now. I hope I didn't just provoke Angry Iowa Running Back Hating God right now, but if we're being honest with ourselves, all of these men's fates were sealed the moment they signed with Iowa, so if they're all going to suffer EVERY RUPTURED TENDON anyway, there's no harm in pretending it might not happen and discussing that like this.

NEXT OPPONENT: BYE. Um... bye to you too.

*I've probably told this story on BHGP before, but my old man and I went to the jNWU-Iowa basketball game back in '97 or so where Iowa went 15-20 from 3-point land. It was one of the funniest games I've ever seen. At one point, Greg Fucking Helmers stepped behind the arc and, of course, drained it. It was the closest CHA has ever come to the crowd shutting the game down a la Rucker Park. Anyway, on the radio after the game**, Tom Davis said Helmers had that long-range ability, and promised that we would see more of that aspect of his game going forward. I probably don't need to tell you that Helmers would finish his Hawkeye career 1-1 in 3-pointers. 

**It was also during this radio program that I was disabused of the notion that Kyle Galloway had a squeaky high voice to befit his comically boyish appearance. Never have I been so disappointed in the aftermath of a Hawkeye basketball blowout victory

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I couldn't believe it.

One of our drives in the third quarter took about 1 minute and 11 seconds off the clock. And its not like we were trying to stop the clock. We just managed to get the ball up close (it was after the on side kick) and then proceeded to get first downs after every single play. Capped off by the Coker TD I believe.

by Argulor on Sep 26, 2011 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Totally agree.

My wife was getting upset because i kept skipping forward then going back. I told her dont blame me blame the KOK’s wheaties that obviously were laced with cocaine. What a new experience.

I just hope that we see this on occasion not down 14 and in the 4th quarter. Just a hurry up because we are better then you and we want your goal posts!

by o-lineu on Sep 26, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have a solution

mini fridge next to the couch and stocking of said mini fridge every saturday at 10:00 am.

by o-lineu on Sep 26, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bucket of ice

then you just reach and grab. With the mini, you have to take your eyes off the screen to navigate to the door handle and finding beer within the fridge.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Sep 26, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rookie.

"TAYLOR MARTINEZ IS AIDS ON TWO FEET"
-@DanBeebe

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 26, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Better yet - I'll train the dog to fetch 'em for me.

The 12-week old baby isn’t quite up to the task, yet.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Sep 26, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gentlemen.

They’re called women.

Smells like bullshit in here.

by Pantslessobserver on Sep 27, 2011 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

*friday at 10:00 am

You want those beers to be nice and comfy in that fridge.

by dirtydave on Sep 26, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

If you wait until 10:00am (I’m assuming central time) there’s no way they get to cold by kickoff. Heck, the super cold bar on the label might not turn blue until the end of the first game.

by PackerHawk on Sep 26, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Use Google

look for instructions to program you remote/box for this. A lot of them have the capability, it’s just not setup.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Sep 26, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have this too

Dish Network DVR remotes have 30 second skip forward and backward buttons. It’s pretty sweet.

by Captain n Diet Coker on Sep 26, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dish Net

is 30 seconds forward, 15 seconds back.

So, for hurry-up teams, I’ll hit the skip forward immediately followed by the skip back and it’s just about right.

BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!

by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Sep 26, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

it completely rocks

Why watch guys walking back to the huddle when you can skip to the next snap? Why, no reason of course. Best way ever to watch a game for the second or third time.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Sep 26, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I usually just hit fast-forward and when I see them moving, hit play.

It backs up like 2 seconds to right before the snap. It works, but it is work. pssshhhh

meh

by tyger1147 on Sep 26, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can skip forward an hour at a time.

It’s called “blacking out”.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 26, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ferentz' comment

about how ULM presented unique prep challenges, because they run two schemes with two personnel groups, may apply to Iowa now. And frankly, when first offered, he may have been describing his own game plan.

Anyway, we are way, way down on defense, statistically. We’re last in the conference in net kick-off yardage. The poor kickoff coverage can only mean poor coaching, or poor depth, and I have to assume it means we are thin. It’s a good year to put up some points.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Sep 26, 2011 8:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Do we have a game by game breakdown of kickoff coverage?

It seemed better last week. I wonder if there’s a correlation between Bernstine’s health and the kick coverage unit’s yardage.

by PackerHawk on Sep 26, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Bernstine....

… can we get a shout-out for blowing fools up on punt coverage? Hells Yeah!

Bernstine’s block was gloriously reminiscent of Yanda’s devastation of that Iowa State Cyclone player. /looks for gif

by Lukateake on Sep 26, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought the EXACT same thing.

Also, for Special Teams daps: Nico Law has “missile in the making” potential. He looked good in kick coverage.

Just beat jNW.

by One_ill_KevinJ on Sep 26, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh yea

He was in on all but one or two stops on coverage, which is impressive considering we kicked off 8 times.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Sep 26, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm saying it again.

If NL has even one more takedown in coverage like on Saturday I want to see a shirt reading “Nico Law & Order: Special Teams Victims Unit”. Or at the very least, I’d like to hear the L&O “bum bum!” sound every time his name is mentioned on a podcast.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 26, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

No gif...

but here’s the youtube video, complete with awesome/horrible butt rock.

by TwistConePlease on Sep 26, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let's try

this again. That link is to a messageboard with the video, here’s a direct link to youtube.

by TwistConePlease on Sep 26, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bernstine the Destroyer.

There was one sequence where he looked like the team MVP…
1) downed the ball on a punt inside the 5
2) blew up a WR, causing a drop and for the fool to then alligator arm about 3 more in a row
3) absolutely demolished a guy on punt return that in turn took out another fool

This all happened in the span of a few minutes and I couldn’t believe the intensity.
He was the player of the game in my opinion.

by Squawkeye on Sep 26, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm no expert

And I didn’t read through the game logs, so somebody may already have mentioned this. But it looked like the defense was switching from 4-3 to 3-4 on several passing downs.

I’m sure that says something good or bad about the DL (either “we can get it done with three, so …” or “we can’t get it done with four, so …”), but more significantly, it says something about the coaches.

It’s almost as if Ferentz said to his staff after the Pitt game, “Men, it’s time to start adapting, and I mean during games, too.” And that feels very significant on both sides of the ball. Obviously the offense has done so more successfully, but one could argue that the defense was more set in its ways schematically, so it’s maybe a bigger deal for them.

by The Naked Bootleg on Sep 26, 2011 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

They did.

I think it said two things: We’re not going to pretend that Tom Nardo is an effective pass rusher, and we need to get James Morris a bit of help over the middle of the field in 3rd and Medium. They have Hitchens and Kirksey to handle the sideline zones, so Nielsen and Morris can split the middle zone (where we got killed last year) and maybe blitz from time to time.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Sep 26, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

It seemed like they blitzed a ton in the second half to me

And also that pretty much every time we did it ULM immediately completed a slant to the zone vacated by the blitzer. I never thought I would have to yell at a Norm Parker defense to quit blitzing, but Saturday was a weird day in a lot of ways.

by NorseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't gotten to the second half yet.

I wouldn’t be surprised, I suppose. They’ve shown a higher tendency to blitz early this year, probably because they have guys who might be able to get home.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Sep 26, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah the issue he was that they weren't getting there quickly enough

And their quarterback knew how to deal with it (or they were picking up some tell that it was coming and adjusted accordingly). I haven’t charted the game or anything, but there were several completions where they blized on of the linebackers, it got picked up, and the QB hit a wide open receiver right in that zone for a solid gain.

by NorseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

That same Tom Nardo just won B1G Defensive Player of the Week.


"It doesn't matter how you play the game, it's whether you win or lose. And even that doesn't make all that much difference."

by Bucketochicken on Sep 26, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Attaboy, Nard Dog.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was awesome Saturday.

But he’s not a pass rusher, at least not from the tackle spot.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Sep 26, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I chuckle everytime Dolphin says "Nar-do"

Dear Diary, Kevin is so hot. Today he was raking the yard. God I wish he'd throw me into that pile of leaves.

by GotDebt on Sep 26, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

So happy Nardo has shown something

Nardo, Binns, Daniel, Daniels is solid if they are all playing to potential (as Nardo raised his potential this past weekend) more consistency from Alvis would be good.I would also love to see Davis and some other random sophomore or younger player get some consistent time (Hardy?) in preparation for next year.

Also, much better job on contain. The ends, especially Daniel, who constantly gave up potential yards to make sure he kept outside the QB (or at least made him string it out further), and it worked really, really well, in my opinion. fAfter last week when the DB’s looked a lot moer solid (but with still enough questions), I’m glad to see that the DL looked solid, even with more quesitons.

meh

by tyger1147 on Sep 26, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

was impressed with the ends

stopping their rush at times to hold contain. Didn’t seem to happen against ISU.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Sep 26, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

I thought contain was a huge issue, especially for Alvis. Dude flies up the field at a million miles an hour every time and leaves us really vulnerable to QB keepers and counters.

by NorseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's why he was rotated out in favor of Lebron Daniel

Daniel was doing a much better job on contain that he had earlier this season, and Alvis blew contain a couple of times

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 26, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Daniel did have his best game of the season.

Which was nice to see, especially after I was making cracks about him playing freeze tag instead of football last week.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kirk Ferentz opened up a game using a no-huddle spread for the entire first drive. I can’t overestimate what a system shock this is. This is Vince Lombardi trading in his glasses for Macho Man shades.

I can stop reading, writing, and talking now. This cannot be outdone.

Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.

by jebushchrist on Sep 26, 2011 9:06 AM CDT reply actions  

I'd respond but I'm no longer reading, writing, or talking.

Perhaps my best years are gone... but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.

by jebushchrist on Sep 26, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair

I don’t think they’ve gotten less than 2 yards on the JVB sneak this year. Or as I will now call it, the “goose young Ferentz” play.

by PackerHawk on Sep 26, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a great play.

I would like to see him get lower. This is one area where football could do an actual scrum technique to excellent results, (and not just whatever every football announcer calls a scrum – a pile up)

meh

by tyger1147 on Sep 26, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

With tall QBs

I’m surprised we don’t see the play more. But for us to do it, at midfield, was just another improbable part of the "mad bomber’ offense which was so thoroughly enjoyable. I know we won’t do it often, but the threat of us being a “four down” offense when we choose, even if it’s only 4th and 1, could cause further gnashing of teeth by opposing defenses. And I’ll keep saying it—we need over 30 a game to win this year.

Hayden used to call it a lot when he had Chuck Long, again a tall (for his day) QB who also was an option QB in college.

FOUR. THREE. COVER. TWO.

by Mr. Grizz on Sep 26, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think tall guys are as valuable in the middle of the field.

At the goal line, he can jump and reach the ball over the goal line. As as soon as that happens, the play is dead. At midfield, though, you can’t just do that because the play doesn’t stop when he gets the first down. So they can cause a fumble, while it’s harder at the goalline. So, if the QB jumps across and pulls the ball back, it’s voluntary and forward progress doesn’t count. I think you need a strong-leed QB, not a tall one. And stop with the pushing into the back of the offensive linemen. That’s not good. Get down, stick his head in between the hips of Ferentz and one of the guards. Use his pads right in their rumps. Get the backs up on him and push one shoulder pad each into each side of his butt. Drive.

Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haD8lJTRK8A

Mostly I’m just sick of seeing QB’s push in and down no their linemen, hurting their drive.

meh

by tyger1147 on Sep 26, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a scouting/scheme thing too I suspect

They also went on 4th and 1 for the score, both without any hesitation. Team coached up to do it, apparently film work showed their 3-3-5 could not structurally stop the sneak.

BUT, even if it was10 yards short of the first down, the Bears were ahead by 30 late in the game, and the runner was a boyhood friend—— Butkus pulled off the hit!

by Sky High King on Sep 26, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

If McNutt pushes past Chappelle's 1037-yard season, he'll be within spitting distance of DJK's all-time yards mark.

1037 yards would give Marvin 2583 yards for his career. DJK ended with 2616 yards, I believe.

And technically Marvin is on pace to blow past Chappelle’s record — including a bowl game, he’s on pace to have a 1300-yard season. I suspect that pace will slow down some in Big Ten play, but it’s something to keep an eye on. He and JVB have a good connection, Iowa has a good passing game, and Iowa is going to need to score quite a few points to win most games this year.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 9:17 AM CDT reply actions  

And who would like to place a bet

on this:

If McNutt gets close to DJK’s record, Ferentz will do whatever he can to make sure he passes it.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Sep 26, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I will not take the bet against that

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 9:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

But

Do you really think that’s Kirk’s motivation? Just to give a little FU to DJK?

by mikjones24 on Sep 26, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's a goal or anything

just if we get late in the season and it looks like a possibility. But yes, I think he’d gladly throw that FU out there.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Sep 26, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's safe to say that erasing DJKs name from the books is

something KF will do if the opportunity presents itself.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Sep 26, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

THIS

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 26, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll agree that, if it's in the flow of the offense

He won’t do anything to STOP it from happening. However, he wouldn’t sacrifice the offense’s effectiveness just to make it happen.

Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.

by benvious on Sep 26, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's the opposite

In fact, I foresee Ferentz going so far as benching McNutt for extended periods, even whole games, in order to keep DJK’s record sacrosanct.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 26, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I suspect that pace will slow down some in Big Ten play

I wonder about this given the changes in the last 5 quarters. If 1) KOK & Kirk keep the pedal to the metal, 2) the Davis and KMM learning curves continue upward and 3) we find a TE, I think it is quite probable that Marvin’s averages stay the same or even improve.

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

with a couple better balls from JVB

the TD record would already be his. The 3rd and goal in first half against Pitt, Saturday McNutt had a couple steps on his guy – JVB overthrew him slightly and the field goal could have been a TD to the Nutter.

I point this out not to say JVB did or didn’t do something or threw poorly; he is going to miss passes, receivers will drop some, etc… but to say it appears the play calling was designed to help Marvin obliterate some records.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Sep 26, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Through this past game, McNutt has...

1959 career yards, with (presumably) 9 games left to play. He is 657 yards behind DJK’s all time record, which would require 73 yards per game to tie. Very attainable, especially with this year’s Iowa defense.

McNutt also has 113 career receptions. DJK has 173 in his career. So McNutt needs 60 more, which requires 6.7 per game. Not as likely, but not out of the question.

by StevenDS on Sep 26, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who remembers last winter discussing the snowball's chance Marvin had to catch DJK

My, my, my what a difference a few weeks of real games makes! The offense of this team is the polar opposite of what we all envisioned for this year.

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Sep 26, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

So lets see

Iowa finally treats a cupcake team like a drunk treats a rental car.

The offense, overall, looks pretty darn good with room to go.

The defense will be the cause of many four letter words in living rooms across the state, but should be competent.

But mostly, adding this game to The Comeback gives hope that the coaching staff has woken from the slumber that seemed to take hold at some point last year.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Sep 26, 2011 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

So many good take aways from this game

Good job hitting them Ross.
The one I was most happy with…how we continuedto throw the ball when we had a lead. We didn’t fall back into the usual Iowa is winning playbook:
   1st – run strong side
   2nd – run strong side
   3rd – pass short of first down marker
   Punt (/winning)

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 9:36 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

That wasn't Ross

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Sep 26, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

fail...

Its been a rough Monday morning

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 10:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

So when I get to a real PC I'll rec Jacobi's article to make ammends

But Ross could rec me for the compliment…

(/kidding)

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 10:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Mustard is for Communists, pimps, and other degenerates, sir.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait, are we talking about honey mustard?

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to eat a whole jar of Dijon just out of spite you anti-mustardite bastard.


"It doesn't matter how you play the game, it's whether you win or lose. And even that doesn't make all that much difference."

by Bucketochicken on Sep 26, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope your spite is worth it when you're spending the entire tonight on the toilet.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's where I'm going to eat it.

/efficient’d


"It doesn't matter how you play the game, it's whether you win or lose. And even that doesn't make all that much difference."

by Bucketochicken on Sep 26, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

That's good thinkin'.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You both write quite well

In fact this site has some of the best sportswriting on the Net…

"u r awesome" ~ my daughter

by The Bird Cult on Sep 26, 2011 4:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

damn straight

"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass

by chitownhawkeye on Sep 26, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is BHGP first then to the Jesse Fucking Palmer Blog then to bed :)

by DaaCF on Sep 26, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have sensed

a special bond between Ross and Jacobi that is so beautiful, Its a flower that we all can admire with a lovely fragrance that just brightens up a room. Continue to water and fertilize this flower so that we can continue to marvel at its petals for years to come.

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since we have an NFL coach

Let’s look at this from a front office perspective. You don’t pull that many redshirts during a down year. Conservative Kirk would be more likely to do the opposite. He must be thinking that this is the year. Could he be laying groundwork for a BiG title run?

Playing Nebby last will only help us. T-magic will watch the Iowa game during his physical therapy appointment. If we win all our home games and half our road games we’ll be 9-2 and on a 6 game win streak going into Lincoln. I also smell one last victory over Joe Pa during his swan song season.

When the Hawks beat Mich this year it will be for the 3rd straight time. That’s never happened before ever. This team is epic. Kirk knows the schedule is set up soft. We’re headed back to Pasadena.

by Vandy's Mom Digs Me on Sep 26, 2011 9:39 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Correction

We’re headed to Indy.
If Wisc stays unbeaten, an gets a championship nod, we could be headed to the Rose, win or lose.

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 9:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I like that and even agree

Only I am not ready to concede to a team that used a trick play to barely beat us last year when we know the Hawks are better this year.

Lost a lot of talent, true. But there’s no quit in these guys. Only great teams stage comebacks like they did. Similar to the 2009 team that won all the close ones. Victory can be a mindset.

by Vandy's Mom Digs Me on Sep 26, 2011 10:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

and i like this

We can definately play with those guys, no doubt. I’m waiting until after this week to root against Wisc, but yeah….F Them, and that no punt win.

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 10:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I want

what you guys are drinking.

He died for our sins.

by Jesus-H-ARob on Sep 26, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kirk has said in past interviews that he always has a "win-now" mentality in regards to redshirts

He seems to redshirt guys that clearly need an extra year in the weight room to avoid getting killed. But if they have some playmake ability to them, or there is a depth issue, that mutha-effin’ redshirt is getting burned.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Sep 26, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

He changed his attitude after 2006.

He’s publicly wished that he would have burned more redshirts that year for guys that could have helped out. He singled out Clayborn in particular, I know.

There are still quirks since guys perhaps don’t get used as often as they “should” and wind up with “wasted” years, but these days he seems open to playing anyone as a true frosh unless they’re a QB or a lineman. (Unless it’s a freakishly athletic/ready lineman like Bulaga, say.)

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

The irony is

the redshirt seems firmly on Cooper, who was reputed to be the most “game ready” of all the incoming freshmen.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 26, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

True.

It seems to take a lot (either talent or desperation or both) to get him to play a true freshman on the line.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think if Cooper hadn't missed time in camp

with the “transcript issues” – whatever the hell they were – he might be seeing some playing time. As it is, I’m not that upset with him getting a year of training and Doyle-izing under his belt before he plays

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 26, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but I wouldn't think that would be the only reason.

It was less than a week? Even two weeks, it’s not like 4 weeks of game-week practice wouldn’t get him up to speed. I really do think it’s just a matter of need and/or not being good enough.

Let’s keep in mind: another reason linemen are usually redshirted (as well as strength and technique issues) is that they rarely have value on special teams like the other positions.

meh

by tyger1147 on Sep 26, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not that I am aware of

It is interesting though that he is not listed on The Iowa team roster on Hawkeyesports.com but he is listed on the Iowa roster by Rivals. He is not listed on the Iowa western CC roster. I assume him missing from the Iowa web roster is more a statement to the fine sports information staff at the Uof Iowa than anything else.

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's here, he's practicing.

His omission from the online roster is apparently just a bit of lazyness from the SID/website folks.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

The SID's Office being bad at their jobs?

I find that HIGHLY unlikely.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 26, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know!

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's Coe

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Sep 26, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you Vandy's Dad?

If his mom digs you, that would make sense.

by EnergizerHawk on Sep 26, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't say

She DOES me. Only digs me…

by Vandy's Mom Digs Me on Sep 26, 2011 12:06 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

You do remember that we lost to Iowa State, don't you?

Or are you one those people who thinks we’ll get a rematch with them in the BCS title game?

by Notclevr on Sep 26, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

My head finally exploded when....

…with 40-some seconds remaining in the first half and Iowa sitting on a comfortable 28-3 lead, the Hawkeyes shift into hurry-up, no-huddle mode and almost scored but for a slightly long throw to McNut. It was wonderful to watch and my only negative thought was that, had we taken this attack mode attitude to Iowa State, we would be 4-0 and ranked right now.

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 9:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Same here

What a relief to see them join the modern era. We were watching a live scrimmage. They didn’t need the score. They needed reps. It was strategic planning for conference play. Doesn’t matter who the opponent was. It was a statement that this year the Hawks are coming out slugging.

I don’t see rankings as even nattering anymore. They used to be the main focus of the season play. Now we can play our way into a great bowl. If we play 14 this year our last game will be a BCS game again.

by Vandy's Mom Digs Me on Sep 26, 2011 9:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ferentz has talked about

players squandering scoring opportunities in the first half that come back to bite us in the fourth quarter. It is nice to see that the coaches have stopped squandering scoring opportunities by just taking a knee with time enough to try and score at the end of the half.

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some comparisons

At the game against Pitt, we were saying KMM reminded us of Paul Chaney with hands but the more I think about it, he seems to be a quicker Dominique Dougals (without the whole credit card scandal).

Also, JVB is reminding me of a bigger Drew Tate – big arm, can be elusive when he needs to be – still tends to lock in to a single receiver but not afraid to toss it in traffic.

by Hawkeye Vince on Sep 26, 2011 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Tate was freaky elusive

in the back field and could do a 360 spin out of a tackle and still know where his receivers were down field. I don’t know if Vandy is at that level, or ever will be; but you are correct in that he shows decent mobility when needed. Regarding, KMM, is it too soon to compare him with DJK. Both seem to have a knack for getting open and making the clutch thrid down catches.

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seemed to me Tate was almost better on the run

When the O-line got better and he had all day to throw it seemed like his performance actually degraded. I remember thinking the line should intentionally let a defender through to chase Tate out of the pocket

by Iowa Refugee on Sep 26, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great points

I have to agree with you that Tate was more elusive but I think a portion of that was a by product of his size and his uncanny sensing of pressure. Arm wise, they are comparable.

by Hawkeye Vince on Sep 26, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed and.....

headwise, Vandy has Tate beat hands down. Vandy seems to be a better leader with a good mix of competitiveness and calm control in the huddle; while Tate was an unstable hand-grenade ready to explode at a moments notice; but he threw “the catch” so I will always love him.

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

but he threw "the catch" so I will always love him

This is winning the internets today.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Sep 26, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

totally agree

The 2006 Iowa team had terrible receivers. We dropped the ball all over the place that year (and esp. 2007). Ever since Soup arrived drops are way down, I’m not sure why.

In 2006 Scott Chandler was pretty good, but even he dropped the ball way too much. Our receivers were Andy Brodell (soph), Dom Douglas (true frosh) and Herb Grigsby. Compare that to this years group, and it isn’t even close.

I don’t blame Tate for losing his temper that year.

by StevenDS on Sep 26, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would that be NFL Tight End Chandler?

Love seeing an ex-Hawk come out of nowhere and score 4 TD’s in the first 3 weeks. He’s also wearing red, white, and blue and has earned a spot on my fantasy roster (yes, I’m a homer).

BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!

by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Sep 26, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm reallly rooting for the guy too.

It is just that he dropped too many passes in 2006. And, if I recall correctly, had a HUGE fumble towards the end against Ohio State, lined up incorrectly against Texas in the bowl game, etc.

He was good, but fell short of great.

by StevenDS on Sep 26, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd love to know his catch rate in 2006.

And the drops/fumble against OSU that year have permanently (and unfairly, I suppose) colored my opinion of him. Nice to see at least one Iowa TE doing well in the pros, though. Dallas is sucking up a storm in Indy and Moeaki is doing Moeaki things, sadly.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's fair to say Dallas is sucking

when the whole offense is horrendous without Peyton, but definitely agree on the sigh for Moeaki’s fate. And possibly Todd Haley’s fate very soon.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Sep 26, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say he was the only one sucking in that Indy offense.

But he hasn’t looked good when I’ve seen the Colts on TV.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't been watching the Colts O much, it's too painful

So you may be right. But I still say it’s hard to throw a word like “suck” at a perennial Pro-Bowler when he lost the best QB in the league and his entire offense is terrible

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Sep 26, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Part of that is because

he’s being asked to stay in and block a lot more, which doesn’t exactly play to his strengths. Clark’s career has certainly been aided by playing with Manning as his QB but I think he would be solid on a lot of teams. Having to wait for the geriatric Kerry Collins to find him, however, will be the death of his stats (and my fantasy team)

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 26, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dallas is sucking in his new role as blocking TE

Since it really doesn’t fit his skill set to be honest.

by PackerHawk on Sep 26, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Dallas Clark is basically a slot receiver who the Colts call a TE so he’ll be cheaper and make more Pro Bowl.

by NorseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's not making as many catches when the ball is thrown his way, either, though.

So far he’s caught 10 passes on 19 targets. That may (or may not) include some badly thrown balls from Collins/Painter, but I’ve also seen him drop some balls that he could/should have caught.

I like Dallas a lot, but he’s not off to a good start this year.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm, stats backing you up there.

Sounds like he needs a pep talk from Walker, Texas Ranger.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Sep 26, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tangent: What is a good percentage of catches per target?

1:1 isn’t realistic. 10:19 is clearly not desirable.

Although as you said, we don’t know how many of those targets bounced off the turf 10 yards away from him or flew 10’ over his head. Both of which I saw last night from the Colts QBs.

by PackerHawk on Sep 26, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think risk/reward.

It depends on the routes you run in a particular offense. A player like Wes Welker has an unreal catch rate, but that is in part b/c he catches a lot of short stuff underneath. But mostly because he is awesome. Someone like Plaxico Burress has a pretty low rate in his career, b/c he runs deeper, stretch the defense type routes. But that doesn’t mean he wasn’t very good.

A guy like Dallas should catch about 65%, give or take. From 2003 to 2010 he caught 68.8%.

by StevenDS on Sep 26, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of running

I don’t actually want JVB to start going all Cam Newton on us (although I’d totally let his mom commit NCAA violations) but there were at least 8 times I can think of on Saturday where there was a gaping hole on the left side of the line and nothing but green for miles. I’d love to see Vandy keep defenses honest from time-to-time by grabbing those easy 6-8 yds. when D’s sit back to defend all-out against the pass, especially with the higher quality of pass-covering LBs in the Big Ten..

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 26, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

IF he's going to do that

he’d better learn to fucking SLIDE or his career is going to be short

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 26, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea, Vandy is at risk of going all Cam Newton

like I’m at risk of going all David Hasselhoff. A man can only dream of such things.

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still concerned about the D front four.

One decent game against a tomato can doesn’t show me much. I hope they continue to get better throughout the season.

by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Sep 26, 2011 10:05 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

You should be. We are mediocre at best

And not to be a downer, but we start 3 seniors. Next year will be scary.

by StevenDS on Sep 26, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mediocre at best

may be a bit of an overstatement. You have to look at the learning curve for this group. I think when all is said and done this will be a pretty good group. There may be a number of seniors on this line but their combined starts is very limited; they just happened to be playing behind some pretty stout guys. I looks like they have the line assignments figured out ( for the first three games guys were getting moved all over the place. As the starters get more reps there is no reason why they should not progress like past units have under Ferentz and Parker. Coach K is a young guy but he is a firebrand who appears to be pretty good at motivating linemen. I expect we see continued and, perhaps marked, improvement against PSU up front. (SPECIAL NOTE: THEY HAVE ANNOUNCED A 2:30 PM START TIME FOR THE IOWA VS PSU GAME).

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right now

“Mediocre at best” is being way too kind. The DL did okay against ULM and were just plain bad against ISU (with Osemele less than 100%) and Tenn Tech. So at this point they’re mediocre when playing Sun Belt teams. That means Wisconsin would run for 10 yards a carry and throw deep on play-action whenever they feel like it.

Maybe the personnel changes will help, but if that was all that was needed it would have been apparent in the spring and coming into the season. This is not a case of potentially great players stuck behind All-World players and needing to get some experience. This is a case of below-average Iowa DL with no experience playing pretty poorly.

But you are right that it is college football, and players do come out of nowhere sometimes. Here’s hoping we have a few.

by Notclevr on Sep 26, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone hinted at a comparison of Morris and Kirksey with

Greenway and Hodge. I find it interesting that Morris and Kirksey are currently sitting at #2 & #3 in total tackles in the conference. It seemed that Chad and Abdul were permanebt fixtures at the top of the conference total tackles list.

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

The downside of this stat

Is that it must mean we have a ton of defensive plays. Even great LBs shouldn’t lead the conf in takcles, if the defense leads the conf in 3-and-outs

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 10:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agree, but the stat does show...

that the D Line is keeping the big bodies off the linebackers and letting the roam free to make plays.

by Hawkeye Vince on Sep 26, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

I would much rather have our LB’s at the top of that list, than say, our safeties. I would like to see more production out of the trenches. Granted this was a cupcake, we are still improving.

by KirksGumInHaydensStas on Sep 26, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course we dont want the safeties on top of that list

We want the percentage of the tackles from DL/DE position, followed by LB, lastly the DBs.
With a good ratio of tackles, we just also want less of them…meaning we get our D off the field. Of course a bad D that just gives up TDs quickly would likely also have a low number of total tackles as well.

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 10:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

No we don't

Our defense is designed to funnel runners to the LBs, thus, they should have a lion’s share of tackles. A Norm Parker D will never have a majority of the tackles going to the D-line.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 26, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could be an upside of that stat

It could mean we have a ton a defensive plays due to the fact the offense is scoring on 4 play, 70 second drives. I know thats not entirely true now, but if this offense can keep improving I think this could be the case in the end. I know that ULM isn’t B1G caliber, but a lot of the throws Vandy was making were damn near undefendable. FSU and TCU didn’t look nearly that good against this club (apples/ oranges I know)

"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug

by Nature Boy on Sep 26, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Iowa defense is designed is to funnel plays to the linebackers to make tackles.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yep, and this will cause them to lead the team

Still, more DL tackles are generally a good thing.
DBs making tackles – bad
LBs making tackles – good
DLs making tackles – really good

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 10:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

also getting a rec

Once im on a real PC

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 10:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

awesome

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Sep 26, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

"u r awesome" ~ my daughter

by The Bird Cult on Sep 26, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I may have to get a NDSU sweatshirt because of all of this

So much win. In fact, perhaps the entire stadium should wear NDSU sweatshirts to the Minny game…

"u r awesome" ~ my daughter

by The Bird Cult on Sep 27, 2011 4:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Linebackers always lead the conference/nation in tackles.

8 of the top 10 tacklers in the nation are linebackers. 7 of the top 10 tacklers in the Big Ten are linebackers (although the leading tackler is a S, because Minnesota’s defense is a dumpster fire). 5 of the top 10 tacklers in the ACC are linebackers (the others are all defensive backs). 6 of the top 10 tacklers in the Big 12 and Big East are linebackers. 8 of the top 10 tacklers in the Pac 12 are linebackers. 7 of the top 10 tacklers in the SEC are linebackers. And in every single case, there’s not a DL to be found in the top 10 (or anywhere close).

It’s true at the next level, too: 9 of the top 10 tacklers in the NFL are linebackers.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of good data there

How many tackles does an elite defenses LB make (say alabama or LSU, maybe) compared to an ok defense (say ours)?

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 10:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sure.

Alabama: 4 of the top 10 tacklers are linebackers; the rest are d-backs. 2 of the top 3 tacklers are linebackers and the other is a S (Mark Barron) who plays a Bob Sanders-esque role a little closer to the line of scrimmage. Their leading defensive lineman has 9 tackles, 12th best on the team. I suspect they rotate guys a lot, though.

LSU: 2 of the top 10 tacklers are linebackers, 3 others are defensive linemen, and the rest are defensive backs. In fact, their top 5 tacklers are d-backs, which is a little odd.

For what it’s worth, even when Iowa had a very good defensive line (say, 2008-2010), other positions still lead the tackle charts.

2010: Hunter (90), Hyde (83), Sash (79), Morris (70), Prater (68)
2009: Angerer (145), Hunter (90), Sash (85), Edds (77), Clayborn (70)
2008: Angerer (107), Hunter (80), Spievey (68), Greenwood (68), Fletcher (60)

So over those three years the only defensive lineman to crack the top 5 in tackles at Iowa was Clayborn in 2009. Clayborn’s 2009 season was also one of the best seasons a defensive lineman has ever had at Iowa; we aren’t going to see years like that on a regular basis (few teams will, really). The impact of a defensive lineman isn’t always measured in tackles and Iowa can (and has, and will) have a very good defense without a defensive lineman being one of the top tacklers.

The same players/positions recur atop the tackle charts because of the design of the Iowa defense. Plays are meant to be funneled towards the inside linebackers, so Angerer/Morris and Hunter lead the team in tackles year in and year out. Hunter only led last year because injuries ravaged MLB so much. If you add Tarp’s ‘10 tackles (47) to Morris’ ‘10 tackles (70), you’d have a new team leader (117).

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by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually my original point was not

that it was remarkable that Morris and Kirksey lead the team in tackles but rather that they lead the conference much like Hodge and Greenway did back in 2003. It was either SMA or Vint who commented in an earlier analysis that Morris and Kirksey reminded them of Greenway and Hodge.

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by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's nice to see.

Iowa’s typically had a guy or two up there (Angerer was 2nd to Greg Jones in 09 and 6th in 08, Humpal was 5th in 07), but this does seem to be the first time since Hodge/Greenway that we’ve had a duo near the top of the charts like that. Hopefully they continue playing well.

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by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

wasn't Jones

top 3 in conference his sophomore year on? He was a tackle machine.

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by The Bacon Explosion on Sep 26, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was 3rd in 08 (127), 1st in 09 (154), and 6th in 10 (106).

I dunno if he was hurt for a spell last year or not.

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by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

The funny thing is

to hear some MSU fans talk, he will not be missed. I don’t understand this

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by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

They still cling to the D-line thing

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by Nature Boy on Sep 26, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just an observation

08-’10 we had two guys break the 100 tackle mark from the whole defense. He did it three times by himself in the same time period.

I would be happy to take Greg Jones in my linebacking core any year. Think of Angerer, Edds and Jones in 2009.

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by The Bacon Explosion on Sep 26, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because they are delusional fucking morons

It’s the same reason they’re so quick to dismiss losing 3/5 of their Oline (before injuries) was no big deal for a pro-style, run-first, play-action heavy team. It’s also the reason they’re even worse than the Buckeye fans on OTE

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by HoyaGoon on Sep 26, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Greenway and Hodge with 20% shrinkage from the dryer being too hot

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by therealCatnuts on Sep 26, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is interesting

I usually experience 20% shrinkage from being too cold.

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by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good data, but not what I was looking for

In hindsite I wasn’t too clear.
I agree LBs will have more tackles on most teams, good or average.
What I would guess though, is that really good teams will have less overall tackles than an average defense would…and that was the data I would like to see, to hopefully confirm my hunch. I’ll pull up what I’m thinking of after work.

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by BoiseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 1:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

There is some truth in that in a very broad, general sense...

But there are also a lot of variables to be accounted for. Different styles of defense are going to lead to greater or fewer tackles; Iowa’s “bend but don’t” break style lends itself to leaving the defense on the field more, giving up more short yardage gains, and (yes) giving the defense more opportunities to get tackles. Offensive styles can also play a role: teams with a slower pace that can control clock will reduce the number of plays in a game (and thus reduce the number of potential tackles for their defense to amass, too).

For what it’s worth, here are the total tackle stats for Iowa’s defense since 2007:
2007: 985
2008: 936
2009: 957
2010: 967
2011: 344 so far

I think total tackles is a very imperfect (and somewhat inaccurate) means of measuring the excellence of a defense. The ‘09 Iowa defense may have had a lot of tackles, but it would be difficult to argue that it wasn’t an elite unit. As a means of dividing defenses between elite/good/average status, total tackles is a little more useful, but it still seems like a flawed tool.

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by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Along these lines the 2009 Michigan team

had a total of 881 tackles. I don’t think anyone would try to argue that Michigan’s defense was superior to Iowa’s in 2009

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by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don't get credit for tackling someone in the endzone

Don’t worry, I agree wholeheartedly with your point. The joke was there for the taking

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by Brock8144 on Sep 26, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

MI led the conference

in the less recorded “Ole’ tackle”.

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by The Bacon Explosion on Sep 26, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

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by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

i mentioned that above as well

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by BoiseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 3:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

that seems remarkably consistent over the years

That even includes the clock change rules in ncaa football in that span too.

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by BoiseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 4:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I understand what you are getting at but...

against ULM Iowa ran 67 plays while ULM ran74 plays. By this metric, Iowa was the worse for defense on Saturday even though the ULM defense gave up 100 yards more and 45 points compared to Iowa’s defense that allowed fewer yards on more plays for far fewer points.

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by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never looked up my own data...

Two reasons, too busy and not really important enough to warrant it…I was only ever speaking in a general sense, nothing more.

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by BoiseHawk on Sep 27, 2011 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm not all that stunned

At least not with the how. VDB may the finest prep QB this state has ever produced. He’ll make mistakes, but he’s thrown the ball enough to be confident in his abilities.

I’m not even all that shocked with the why. What we see as conservatism by Kirk may really be a cold pragmatism. He’s not embracing this beautiful, free flowing PS3-friendly style of football because he’s had a change of heart; he’s doing it because this is what it takes to win.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

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by Blackheartnopants on Sep 26, 2011 10:31 AM CDT reply actions  

He has adjusted in the past...

But of course that was because Sam Brownlee had to get the carries for the team.

by Hawkeye Vince on Sep 26, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ummm
VDB may the finest prep QB this state has ever produced.

That’s harsh bro.

by PackerHawk on Sep 26, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, red "x" was a fine HS QB indeed.

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by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm, now I can see the pic. I still think red "X" was a better HS QB.

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by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was going to respond the same. And then with Kurt Warner.

But he did say “prep quarterback”, so I think he meant in terms of high school production and accolades.

-holds 12 Iowa HS records
-6th nationally ALL TIME sin single season comp% and 10th in career comp% (seriously, whoa)
-couple of All-American teams

I’m sure you knew all that.Like I said, I thought the same thing with Orton and Warner, but I’m guessing neither had the HS career that Vandy did. If that is indeed what BHNP is referring to.

meh

by tyger1147 on Sep 26, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Orton had a pretty middling HS career because he played on a team where the first, second, and third options were generally running the ball.

He was obviously a very good college QB, though, and a pretty solid NFL QB.

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by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

So Tiller must have been an amazing evaluator of QB talent (not really much in debate)

To recruit a QB out of a run, run, run offense to run his offense at Purdue is kind of mind-boggling.

by PackerHawk on Sep 26, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Orton was a pretty highly rated recruit

He was ranked in something like the top 10 or top 15 qb’s in the country if I recall correctly.

Iowa wanted him, but Iowa sucked in ‘98, ’99 and ’00. Orton was in Purdue’s 2001 recruiting class, following in the footsteps of Drew Brees, who was awesome in ’98, ’99 and ’00.

by StevenDS on Sep 26, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was under the impression Iowa never offered

But recruiting info from that far back is really hard to find (pre-Rivals era), so you might be right.

by NorseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they might have offered late.

Although I’ve also heard they thought they were set with whichever QB they did get in that class (McCann? Beutjer? I dunno). Oops.

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by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Going by memory

He committed to Purdue pretty early, and he didn’t show much interest in Iowa.

Again, he was faced with following Drew Brees at Purdue and playing for offensive “genius” Joe Tiller, or going to Iowa, who went 1-11 in 1999.

Iowa recruited JC Brad Banks in the 2001 class and JC Nathan Chandler in the 2002 class. I’m pretty sure that at the time they would have loved to get Orton.

by StevenDS on Sep 26, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

The way I heard it was that Iowa didn't get interested until it was too late.

Of course, he might still have chosen Purdue anyway, since, as you noted, at the time they were a far better program.

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by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

And to be fair, he was nearly "great" in college, too.

His senior year they were very highly rated for awhile. Then he had a bad game (against Wisconsin, I think) in which he fumbled once or more, they got pounded and they ended up losing 3 or 4 games and being one of the biggest disappointments that year. That, and lingering injuries, and he still was drafted in 2004. A couple more wins and no injuries, and he’s a solid 2nd ruonder (good production, okay measurables, not huge, not a big arm, etc.)

meh

by tyger1147 on Sep 26, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would have been The Feutjer, yeah

Which: whoops. On the other hand we probably never see Brad Banks if we have Orton, so fuck off, Kyle Orton.

by NorseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The feujter was bright, no need for Orton!

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by HoyaGoon on Sep 26, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was a highly regarded recruit, but it wasn't for his HS stats.
High School: Ranked as No. 2 quarterback in nation by SuperPrep and No. 7 by Rivals.com … ranked No. 2 overall by SuperPrep … listed among USA Today’s Super 25 prospects … career passing statistics were 208 of 450 (46.2 percent) for 3,176 yards with 24 touchdowns and 18 interceptionshonorable mention all-state and first team all-conference as senior after completing 95 of 192 attempts (49.5 percent) for 1,366 yards with 12 touchdowns and five interceptions … received team’s Coaches Award (leadership on and off the field) and Fit-to-Hit Award (player who conditioned himself the hardest to prepare for upcoming season) … was 70 of 113 (61.9 percent) for 1,150 yards with 11 touchdowns and six interceptions his junior season … stock soared after great showing at NIKE Camp in Champaign, Ill., and Elite 11 Quarterback Camp in California … former Purdue quarterback Drew Brees was a counselor at the Elite 11 camp … coach was Kent Horstmann … also participated in basketball, tennis and track and field … named Student-Sports All-American.

He was essentially a “workout guy” who really panned out well.

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by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually he blew up at some Nike camps, which is where the hype really started.

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by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected by Ross' excerpt above.

Still, honorable mention All-Iowa generally =/= D-I athlete, ever.

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by Adam Jacobi on Sep 26, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Orton is a significant exception to the general rule here.

I think he probably would have been all-conference/all-state/whatever had he been in an offense more conducive to his skill set, but that’s just idle speculation.

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by RossWB on Sep 26, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vandy was obviously a really good high school player, but his numbers should be taken with a grain of salt

He was playing in a pass-happy spread offense in state where most defenses are used to seeing nothing but single wings and stuff like that.

by NorseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was posting from the phone...

But tip of the cap to Tyger, those were the numbers I had in mind.

I think in VDB we can see the new way to teach how one plays QB. Remember this quote?

“There are three things that can happen when you throw a pass, and two of them are bad.”

It may be time to throw that out the window. When an RB gets stuffed the TV color guy says, “you have to stick with the running game.” I think, for some aggressive QB minds, the same holds true with the passing game. Drops and misses are worrying only if they persist. Drops and misses happen (Some really aggressive O-minds feel the same way about INTs. What does one INT matter if you are going to throw 3,4 or 5 touchdowns?) Just stick with it.

I think we can see this in VDB. I think he was taught not to get freaked about drops and misses because in the end he will get more chances to score than the other team will. In the end, scheme and tempo will be on his side. He brings this mindset to the huddle.

More and more, this is what is taught to prep QBs. I don’t want to build VDB up as the second coming of Chuck Long, but I think this kid is different. Good days and bad days are ahead, but watching him develop will be fun to watch. And there may be more like him in the future.

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by Blackheartnopants on Sep 26, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of whom do you speak?
And there may be more like him in the future.

Perhaps one Mr. Jake Rudock?

by Cattlefeeder on Sep 26, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who knows?

Maybe Rudock, maybe some 8th grader who isn’t yet on anyone’s radar.

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by Blackheartnopants on Sep 26, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Creepy

caring

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by chitownhawkeye on Sep 26, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I always hated that saying

Aren’t there 3 bad things out of four?
Sack
INT
Incompletion
Completion

The first two are absolutely devastating, hence my general agreeance with our (formerly) conservative offensive philosophy

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by therealCatnuts on Sep 26, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is dumb though

Even a bad offense is going to do the last one more than the other four. This isn’t the 20s, passing is not an ultra-risky borderline trick play anymore.

by NorseHawk on Sep 26, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Navy and Georgia Tech

Although GENIUS PAUL JOHNSON’s option does lead the country in long passes completed this year.

by PackerHawk on Sep 26, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Johnson always has extremely efficient passing numbers.

I think they were about 13.5 ypp this last game.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Sep 26, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you're going there. There's also fumbles.

Or intentional grounding. Or hitting an offensive lineman with a pass. or breaking an ankle. And, of course, touchdowns occur, too. As do pass interference calls. or roughing the passer. Or, whatever.

meh

by tyger1147 on Sep 26, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

YES

Seriously, from now on we need to respond to that ridiculous quote with a full list. By my count there are 13 things and 9 of them are bad. Of course, when you run the ball there are 12 things that can happen and 11 of them are bad. Always better to attempt a FG, in my book: only 4 things can happen, and 2 of them are good!

Completion
Incompletion
INT
Sack
Intentional Grounding
Defensive Pass Interference
Offensive Pass Interference
Holding
Ineligible man downfield
Roughing the passer but he’s okay
Roughing the passer and he is dead
Hitting an OL with a pass and breaking his ankle
Hitting an OL with a pass and breaking his ankle but the backup turns out to be amazing and this was just the chance he needed to get in the game

by Notclevr on Sep 26, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get what you're saying, but in order:

sack
incompletion. incompletion. sack(?). TOUCHDOWN WOO! Completion. Completion.

In any case, I think we all agree the saying is stupid. Far too stupid to be repeated as often as it is.

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by therealCatnuts on Sep 26, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Technically, a sack goes against the rushing stats, not passing stats.

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by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

So that's the "bad" one they leave out of the saying.

They’re basically counting bad things that can happen once it’s in the air? Just a stupid saying (Sorry Woody, don’t choke me)

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by therealCatnuts on Sep 26, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

The big one Woody left out was

the one where he runs out on the field and drags you down by your face mask for trying to pass in the first place.

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by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

But is it really any better than a run

where your options are

Gain
No gain
Fumble
Tackle for a loss

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by HoyaGoon on Sep 26, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

General progress of offensive schemes says passing is better than running

But I just can’t help preferring a good running team. Something about the perceived dominance of running somebody over instead of passing around them, I guess.

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by therealCatnuts on Sep 26, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't most of today's best rushing teams actually run around the opponents

In the sense that zone-read or triple option teams are not smashmouth offenses.

The current top 10 teams in rushing yards:
1 Georgia Tech
2 Army
3 Air Force
4 Oregon
5 Nebraska
6 Navy
7 Florida
8 Missouri
9 Michigan
10 Wisconsin

by PackerHawk on Sep 26, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

where your options are

Gain
No gain
Fumble
Tackle for a loss

You left off AIRBHG

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by Kluginator on Sep 26, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's always an option. A carry doesn't matter about there.

When Bullock got runned over by the defensive end whilst pass blocking, I thought, “Oh shit.”

meh

by tyger1147 on Sep 26, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Way, way too early for that remark.

At this point, I wouldn’t put him in the top 10. And as I recall, Kinnick is from Adel.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Sep 26, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kinnick is on my Sports Mount Rushmore

But his QB and VDBs QB are so different as to almost be separate positions.

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by Blackheartnopants on Sep 26, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

The other three?

You didn’t say Iowa’s Mount Rushmore, so maybe Thorpe, Diedrickson, and MJ? Bo Jackson or Jim Brown maybe?

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by therealCatnuts on Sep 26, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kinnick, Sweetness, Gabel

Jackson maybe.

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by Blackheartnopants on Sep 26, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Forgettng Gable is indefensible

I will now cut off my pinky in shame.

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by therealCatnuts on Sep 26, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vandy McFade

I believe we’ve coined the term “Vandy McFade” for that fade pass to McNutt. Then again, I wouldn’t mind seeing a name for a pass to each of the receivers.

by dirtydave on Sep 26, 2011 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

A quibble.

“Kirk Ferentz got on the drugs. Kirk Ferentz opened up a game using a no-huddle spread for the entire first drive. I can’t overestimate what a system shock this is. This is P.J. Carlesimo writing for Free Darko. This is Vince Lombardi trading in his glasses for Macho Man shades. This doesn’t happen”.

Yes, and no. KF, as we and much of the nation is aware can be maddeningly conservative. His clock management vacillates between bad and Kiffin. His unwillingness to go buck stern positions of when and where to “go for it” on 4th and short positions is incredibly, stupidly rigid. But, in 2004 with with the running back attrition rate comparable to the front lines of the Civil War. He did open up the offense-dramatically. He rode the passing game and won a co-championship with a third string FB trying to imitate a competent tailback and failing miserably. No other realistic option? Sure, but he was realistic and he and KOK called plays closer to June Jones than Woody Hayes…and did it well. So, KF has shown the flexibility to adapt the offense to the available talent. It seems in direct opposition to his late Iowa State/OSU stubbornness but there-it-is. In a mild defense of KF’s end of the game disaster at ISU. He knew less about his team than he does now. He knew less about the defense and the QB. He now knows that the QB can be very effective in a no-huddle scheme, and he knows his defense is not(as of now…hoping for incremental progression and help from the post-ISU position changes) of traditional Iowa quality. Yes, KF and staff were bad in the ISU game, but they’ve learned, they’ve effectively adapted, and that’s not something that’s a given for coaching staff’s around the country.

by Steven Dailey on Sep 26, 2011 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

There comes a time in a college QB's career where you trust him

to make nearly every throw. I did not start the season thinking that of Vandy. But man, some of those throws he has made were surgically precise. He is and can be very accurate. Against B1G rushing lineman, I dunno?

But that post showing he ranks in the top ten ALL TIME prep completion percentage certainly says something. sure, maybe his school threw it a lot. But that actually makes the stats even more impressive. He;s earned my trust

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