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The Takeaway: Pittsburgh

Sure, Iowa just beat Pittsburgh, 31-27. But how much do we actually know? What was so important about beating Pitt? What does it all mean, Basil? The Takeaway has the answer.

The Cardiac Hawks? Cardiawks? We need a name for this team if this keeps up: So... that happened. The sports information department said that Saturday's win marked the biggest comeback in Iowa football history, but they also said during the game that James Vandenberg's 399 yards were the most since Chuck Long in 198whatever, and that wasn't true; Scott Mullen set a Hawkeye record with 426 yards against Indiana in 1999, so nyeah. We'll say this though -- if it ain't the biggest comeback in Iowa history, it's the biggest in decades*.

The really interesting aspect of this comeback is the fact that for as remarkable as it was, it wasn't lucky. Once Pitt got down to Iowa's 3 yards line with that 24-10 lead, I (and probably many of you) started putting together something of a mental checklist of what Iowa needed to do to still win**. Step one was keeping Pitt out of the end zone, which seemed unlikely given last week's follies but at least more plausible than forcing a turnover (who was I about to kid?). That happened. Step two was march down and score a quick TD, even if Pitt got a field goal. That happened. Step three was get a stop or get another field goal. That happened. Step four was get another quick touchdown (I might remind you all that this was a checklist of what Iowa needed to do to win, not what I expected by any stretch), which would make it a one-possession game, and then let the game reset dictate strategy from there. That happened. And step five, which was getting the ball back without giving up a point and engineering a game-winning drive, obviously happened as well.

I mean, we all know how the last 18 minutes transpired--that by itself isn't a point to be made. My point is that if some of us fans were thinking through the endgame process that early in the game, it's dead certain the Iowa coaches were too (like it's their job or something), and being that the comeback followed such a reasonable course of events the whole way through and didn't depend on something like "Pitt KR fumbles kickoff straight into Jordan Bernstine's arms who happens to be in a dead untouched sprint to the end zone" means that it was, again, not nearly as "lucky" as it was the result of fantastic execution. And really, there's something reassuring about the fact that Iowa's coaches and players never panicked when a lot of us fans sure as shit were, because I don't think Iowa would have gotten anywhere near the comeback if the guys deviated from the plan and started playing 11-man heroball instead. 

Incidentally, the last time Iowa pulled a multi-possession comeback along these lines, manufacturing it and not having it bounce into our proverbial laps, would probably be Penn State '08. There again, with Iowa down 23-14, the team manufactured drives, played solid defense, and didn't try to gamble and score 10 points at once. I realize this reads like a full-throated exhortation of the Kirk Ferentz Process, and HS may ban me from the site as soon as he sees this, but I assure you it is not; I think Ferentz's grasp of game theory is generally risk-averse to a woeful degree, especially when Iowa has at least a share of the lead. That was not the case on Saturday, though, and that's why Iowa pulled such a wonderful comeback without it being flukish. Frankly, that's my favorite kind of comeback. 

Star-divide

We know this team's strength, and it's not the ground game: In some ways, it's not fair to be overly critical of Marcus Coker when he's probably going to end up with something like 1100 yards and 9-10 touchdowns in a season where he had an above-average backup for all of a quarter -- and in his first full season of starting. We're not many knee injuries from going Full 2004 again, y'know. So yeah, the man's a horse, and he's basically Iowa's last hope for a dependable rushing game for the rest of the season.

That said, anyone watching the games can see that Coker has some serious flaws at this point. The early rash of fumbles is obviously the most troubling development thus far, but since Coker didn't put the ball on the ground at all against Pitt, the fumbling isn't quite the issue it appeared to be vs. Tennessee Tech. But Coker's 5-yard acceleration, cuts, and hole vision all appear to be below average at this point. He runs high, too, which doesn't help ball security or changes of direction. And yet, Coker gets stats, because he is a big strong dude, and he's got the build to carry the ball 30 times a game. That is an asset.

Problem, though: Iowa's passing game has a lot of assets too. Marvin McNutt has been even better than expected, which is saying something, but the real story here is that Iowa has not one, not two, but three weapons at wideout alone--probably for the first time since 2002, when Iowa boasted C.J. Jones, Mo Brown, and Ed Hinkel (and o hai Clinton Solomon as a freshman 4WR). Yeah, that 2002 team also had safety valve nonpareil Dallas Clark at TE, and Brad Herman certainly is no Dallas Clark, but the point is Brad Banks had no shortage of talent to throw to, and his numbers reflected it.

So as for this year, thus far, James Vandenberg's 22nd in passing yards per game but 31st in passer efficiency. Meanwhile. Marcus Coker is 43rd in rushing yards per game, but one of only three players in the top 90 rushers per game to average fewer than 4.0 yards per carry. If I had to pick between Vandenberg's arm and Coker's legs for the offense to rush on, the choice isn't even close right now: it's JVB. That's how Iowa got its win on Saturday, and I hope Kirk Ferentz and Ken O'Keefe realize that going forward.

The secondary is a mess, but it's a better mess: Jordan Bernstine is back and flying toward rushing lanes again, and that makes me very happy. The immediate comparison made after the Tennessee Tech game was Bob Sanders, the way Bernstine was putting hits on people, but seeing him in the pursuit game this past Saturday conjured up more memories of Tyler Sash in Sash's first and second years of play than anything. Granted, Sash was far superior in run support in his first couple years with the program, and the fact that Bernstine is a senior means that we should still have a bit of a ceiling on expectations for him for the rest of the year, but we're back to having a pad-popper at safety, and it's basically impossible to remember a good Ferentz defense without one.

This also means that Micah Hyde is back at cornerback, where he should have been the entire time, and Hyde didn't look like he missed a single day of practice as a CB after making two critical picks against Pitt. I'd say this gives Iowa two solid corners yet again, but Shaun Prater seems hell-bent on submarining his draft stock after a second straight subpar week on the other side of the field. Yeah, taking a pick to the house against Tennessee Tech is entertaining, but it's no substitute for field IQ once things start getting weird in the backfield, and it seemed that every time Pitt needed a big play, it was throwing over Prater on the right sideline to get it -- and it worked. Is some of that on Tanner Miller? Yeah, sure.  Miller would probably be the first person to cop to that. But right now, Prater isn't making big-time plays in coverage with any reliability, and that's something Iowa's going to need to depend on going forward.

But as long as Micah Hyde's at CB instead of Greg Castillo, yeah, no complaints, because it could be worse.

There aren't many relaxing Saturdays left, so be forewarned: We had a lot of pessimism in the game threads on Saturday, and we don't exactly blame anybody for it. For the first 42 minutes of play (maybe even the first 48), yeah, that was a really frustrating game, and there wasn't a Hawkeye fan that wasn't feeling the anguish. We were all seeing a situation on the field--Iowa getting blown out--that we hadn't seen in literally over 40 straight games, and it sucked.

All that said, there were a few, shall we say, overly inductive arguments being made in the game threads in the third quarter. The worst examples were calls to bench Vandenberg for good or to fire the entire coaching staff (seriously), but those are extreme examples of a more prevalent condition. Point is, there were a lot of us that had "seen enough" while the eventual Iowa win was still going on, and that were ready to give up long before the team was. That's not a bannable offense by any stretch at BHGP, and we're never going to issue official warnings to anybody on the basis of pure pessimism, but speaking not as a BHGP administrator but a fellow Hawk fan I would like to give the sincere suggestion that the next time any of us want to express our frustration in, shall we say, out-of-the-mainstream fashion, let's at least wait until the game is over to do so, okay?

It's one thing to say "this is unacceptable performance" if the team is putting on a horror show, and it's one thing to turn the game off out of frustration*** for at least a quarter or two, but let's be honest: this is not the last time Iowa is going to be down by double digits this season, and it is not the last time Iowa will frustrate the living Christ out of us. That's all happening again, believe that. But let's at least give the coaches and players until the end of the game to work out what might be temporary issues, because if you ask for a coach to be fired in the middle of what ends up being his biggest comeback victory ever, in the third week of his 12th season as a head coach, you just end up looking like an asshole more than anything. And besides, venting is what the postgame venting thread is before. Let's save the macro angst for there and the in-game observations for the in-game threads; to do otherwise just distracts and incenses fans who are already as frustrated as you are, and it makes temporary antagonists out of people who should be allies. Not fun. We're all Hawkeye fans here, are we not?

But yeah, if someone beats Iowa by 21 points, trot that frustration down to the postgame threads (so long as you follow the most basic of rules re: treating other people like actual people), and let it fly. It'll be more satisfying that way anyway.

 

 

*Interesting fact discovered while looking for games where Iowa could have conceivably made a comeback larger than Saturday's: Kirk Ferentz has won quite a few games at Iowa--91 in all. He has allowed 22+ points in just 14 of those wins. Yes, that's a lot of stellar defensive performances, but considering Iowa has also lost 45 such games under Ferentz, you can't exactly blame fans for getting pessimistic as hell when Pitt scored that third touchdown to make it 24-3. Yeah, a 14-45 record once Iowa gives up 22 points. 13-28 even after we apply the Northwestern Filter of Revisionist History and pretend 1999 and 2000 never happened. I know Iowa plays slow games, but this is not a good look.

**I did not do this when the score was 24-3, because all I wanted to do was eat my remote and let the chips fall where they may re my short- and long-term health at that point, but I opted not to since I didn't want my girlfriend to be stuck watching the rest of that game. Suffice it to say, though, I missed a lot of the ensuing touchdown drive under the pretense of covering PSU-Temple. I admit it.

***This dovetails nicely with the earlier footnote or whatever you call it with asterisks instead of numbers, but I think my favorite idiotic meme is when people who give up on the game demand some sort of credit when their team wins. Like, "oh, looks like the comeback happened after I turned off the game. Glad I did that, if I hadn't done that the Hawkeyes would have lost!" No. That is stupid superstitious nonsense. What you did with your television had no bearing on the game whatsoever. Neither you nor your television is a participant in the game. Only a child should pretend otherwise. 

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I was briefly one of those assholes ...

Who called for the firing squad during the game. I even asked my buddy, at 24-3, whether he thought Ferentz would play for the win at that point. But then I saw Ferentz on the field yelling at the ref after the Bullock non-TD, and I thought, “You know what? We’re gonna win this thing.” I love the Ferentz who calls timeouts to yell at refs. I kind of hope he’s back.

And go Hawks.

by The Naked Bootleg on Sep 19, 2011 8:34 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions  

That moment...

When Ferentz was giving the ref the business, everybody got fired up. The student section was so loud at that point and it was fully on. Glad I made the trip for this one.

by RandomHero on Sep 19, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ferentz needs to be a dick more often

Maybe then every game could like the 4th quarter on Saturday and MSU last year.

Channel his inner Pete Carroll: after Carroll had Barkley kneel in his last UCLA, Slick Rick called a TO, Carroll promptly called a TD pass.

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by kurthy on Sep 19, 2011 7:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The question

that my wife and I wondered as we watched the game on replay last night:

IF Vandenburg’s last TD pass to KMM is instead a pass to the 12 yard line, does Kirk play for the win? Or at that point, do we see two tight ends and 3 yard runs so as to not lose the FG opportunity (I’m thinking similar to 2005 Michigan here)? It could just be that part of the reason that we won that game was that we never were in the red zone on that last drive.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Sep 19, 2011 8:34 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

When the color announcer guy

mentioned Iowa would love a TD but settle for a FG I was screaming at the TV (waking my wife from a nap) “please for the love of God, NO!!!” That thought scared the crap out of me – lucky JVB found KMM in the slot for a very pretty TD.

I then went on to panic about giving the ball to Pitt with 2:42 left.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Sep 19, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I also had this panic as we were making that last drive

in the stands. I was yelling to slow it down a bit(in pace but not plays) and I rightfully got yelled at that I was nuts. I thought we were doomed if we left them time, but in the end it was more important to just SCORE and let the chips fall.

They say you're a pitcher, you're sure not much of a dresser. We wear caps and sleeves on this level, son.

by isHawkeye on Sep 19, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't believe Kirk would have settled for some pedestrian runs if we were inside the red zone

In fact, I believe Kirk had resigned himself to the fact that the run game was not there and Pitt, even with that late game passing clinic by Vandenberg, was trying to stuff the running lanes and likely would have been even more committed to that inside the red zone. So no, he was sticking with the hot hand.

I also believe that after Kirk watches the film, he’s going to be concerned about Coker. It might be health, it might be he needs to be “coached up” or it might be this is who he is, but in any event, I expect Bullock to play plenty this week.

But, you raise a great question. I was astonished at how many times in the final 18 minutes I expected run, only to see pass.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Sep 19, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Except I thought Kirk would notice that about Coker after ISU.

He looked the same. I couldn’t believe no one else got carries that game and still have the same feeling after Pitt.

They say you're a pitcher, you're sure not much of a dresser. We wear caps and sleeves on this level, son.

by isHawkeye on Sep 19, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ferentz is, as we've often noted, absurdly stubborn at times.

But he’s not blind. As much as he might want to keep plugging away with Marcus to boost his confidence, prove the naysayers wrong, or whatever, he also wants to win games and Marcus trudging away for 3.7 (or whatever) ypc isn’t going to do that too often.

I’m frustrated that he didn’t see more action, both for general balance reasons and because Coker was so middling, but the fact that Bullock finally saw the field and finally got a carry (and a TD, no matter what the stupid refs said) is something I’m choosing to view as a positive and an acknowledgement from Ferentz that he can add something to the running game. Hopefully he gets at least 5-10 carries this week.

Also, apparently Jason White must be sub-Paki in the running game because he hasn’t even sniffed the field as an option this year (despite the RB depth chart after Q1 of the Tenn. Tech game being Coker, ?, ?, ???). Which is, er, a little concerning.

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by RossWB on Sep 19, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking White cannot manage the non-running responsibilities of the position

he looked capable in his few carries against TT. Not eye popping, but able bodied.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Sep 19, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

So four years in the program and he still can't pick up a blitz?

Oof. That doesn’t really make me much less concerned.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 19, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought he was a redshirt freshman? I realize now I am confusing White with

Johnson. Sorry. Substitute Johnson for White in the above.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Sep 19, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he must be struggling as well.

If a true freshman who, two weeks ago, was a WR is ahead of both guys, it doesn’t say a lot for them, unfortunately.

Although, I suppose a more charitable view would be that the staff has been very impressed with Bullock and has been seeking ways to get him on the field.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 19, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think that is the case

I think they are fast tracking Bullock. In retrospect, I think the staff was really sideswiped by the loss of McCall.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Sep 19, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Definitely, re: McCall.

I think they liked him a lot (the fact that he got in during the first quarter against Tn Tech says a lot, in hindsight) and were excited at the prospect of a 1-2 punch of him and Coker.

And for good reason, from the limited glimpse of him we got in that game: he “ran angry,” as they say, which I always like to see in a running back.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 19, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Give the recent history of RB's

Iowa has to begin planning on a 1-2-3-4 punch each year

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by Kluginator on Sep 19, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You say that as if

a donkey punch is disappointing. Unexpected? Yes. Disappointing? Guess that’s in the brown-eye of the beholder.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 20, 2011 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bullock

As you said about McCall, note that Bullock was in as a receiver very early in the opener as well, ahead of a bunch of guys who were expected (by fans like me, at least) to be ahead of him. Bullock had only moved to WR a couple of weeks before that and there they were playing him early in the season opener. I thought that spoke volumes at the time.

I think they were “fast-tracking” McCall and Bullock, and WR for Bullock was a way to get them both on the field. Then McCall gets hurt, Bullock switches positions again, and is immediately ahead of the other guys who have been at RB all along. Not to mention his work on special teams. Bullock must really be impressing them, and I expect him to start getting a lot of carries.

by H I McDonnough on Sep 19, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

BUllock is a 4.4 type 40 guy

so if, when, he gets into the open field we might be jumping out of our seats.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Sep 19, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was really kind of unfairly overshadowed among our RB recruits.

Coe had the stars and the big, bruising body. Canzeri had the flashy highlights. McCall had a few more stars and more local(ish) pub.

But Bullock did run for 1600+ yards and 22 TDs in one of the top levels of Texas HS football (as I understand it). He’s no slouch. In many ways, he looks like a classic “under the radar” Iowa recruit under Ferentz.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 19, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

How good is our run game..

in 2 years? Coe returns, McCall has a full year under his belt, and Coker is a true veteran. Oh wait… sorry guys I forgot this is an Iowa running back corp.. haha oh man I’m such an idiot. Coe will probably pull a John Clay subsequently getting fat and sluggish, McCall takes the Jewel Hampton track transferring to Illinois State after suffering another major injury, and Coker will never reach Shonn Greene beast mode status. I need to curb my logic. Because that goes out the window with Iowa running backs..

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by Podolak Pimpin' on Sep 19, 2011 9:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Last I heard

Coe had already done this, I think he is now projected as a DE. Not joking here.

He sired a baseball team... An orchestra, if you count the bastards!

by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Sep 20, 2011 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's right

I also think it’s highly unlikely he makes it back to Iowa

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 20, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Watching his HS film

I pegged him as a LB all along. But he must be packing on the lbs if they’re talking DE.

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by Brock8144 on Sep 20, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Coe had 3 TDs for IWCC last week

2 running and one jump pass LOL. They direct snap to him in goalline.

by cbhawk89 on Sep 21, 2011 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is a good question...

I think you see PA to the TE one play, but that may be the only pass called. Going back to the week before, Coker looked good running inside the 10 with a tired defense, so they may have gotten 6 either way.

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by BoilerHawk on Sep 19, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Odds are he would have kicked it

First off, i think Ferentz wanted that TD, and would use those three plays to get that TD. however, on 4th down Ferentz would probably have assessed the numbers and thought "i would rather have points here and go to OT for a chance to win than risk not getting points here and losing right now.

the thing is, i would have agreed in this case. this wasn’t the same as the ISU game, we actually had momentum swinging our way big time and Pitt was starting to fall apart. I think Iowa would have won in OT against Pitt on Saturday. Momentum counts for a lot in football.

Personally, i love the fact that he didnt roll over at 24-3 like some teams would (Cough MSU Cough)

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Sep 19, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just had the joy of someone at work telling me they were pulling for Pitt

It makes it even sweeter that he’s one of the biggest a-hats in the office. :)

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by The Bird Cult on Sep 19, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Judging from Ferentz' emotions and comments after the game

I think he would have gone for it. He looked to have wanted this badly, which tells me his team (and its psyche) needed this game badly. The kids have to toe the line officially, but they might have been shaken by what they couldn’t do and what the coaching staff didn’t do last week.

I get the impression Coker was not in full health until very recently, and may not have been ready to go when the season started. He also may have confidence questions about the line. He was looking for cutbacks here, IMO, because that was about the only way after the first quarter of ISU to get yards. He has two practice weeks to get in gear before conference play starts, and Bullock has that same amount of time to get ready to carry a significant load. I suspect we will see a lot of running against ULM to try to get the running game sorted out. The concern is no game can be taken for granted right now.

FOUR. THREE. COVER. TWO.

by Mr. Grizz on Sep 19, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope we don't do too much "sorting out the running game" against UL-M

since they’ve given everyone on their schedule fits thus far. Maybe we should just concentrate on winning the game.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 19, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

"He looked to have wanted this badly"

How much was beating Pitt part of exorcising some of his hometown boy demons?

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Sep 19, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

There was a shot of Ferentz on the sideline at the end of the game and he was tearing up a little bit

which tells me that he really, really wanted and maybe even needed this one. How that would have affected his play calling I’m not sure, but he was fully invested in this one.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 19, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like to think that KF would have continued to throw the ball (until 4th down) just to say "I told you so" if Iowa doesn't get a TD.

Then he can say, “This is why we didn’t chase the TD with 1:17 left against Iowa State, and this is why we kicked the FG in OT3. You people got your wish and it didn’t work out, now let me do my job.”

Even if it’s crazy, I think it’d be fun to see him be a total asshole.

by The Mexican't on Sep 19, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

As non-dominant as Coker has been

I give him mad props for getting additional positive yardage after contact so consistently. He is hard to stop, and once he starts lowering himself a little more, our line does a better job, and he has some 7 man fronts to run into…lookout. I see a 200+ game this year as a possibility still. It might be against a decimated, late B1G, opponent…but it could happen.

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by BoiseHawk on Sep 19, 2011 9:08 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Coker is getting a bad reputation.

He is still a non redshirt sophmore ya know. and he is coming off an injury and a game a few weeks back that would have any RB questioning himself.

Coker just needs three things. Time, confidence from the coach (so far he has it), and probably a longish rushing TD. And after last weekend’s performance, teams may be less reluctant to put 7-9 guys on the run and that may open up some big runs from Coker.

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Sep 19, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think Coker might be nursing some injuries or is just generally overworked

and I think Ferentz is going to seriously find a back-up this weekend. Coker is the only RB he trusts to pick-up a blitz right now, otherwise we would have seen a lot more of other guys in the backfield this past game. He has two weeks to get somebody back there who can run without dropping the ball, pick up a blitz, and catch it out of the backfield is needed. Not an easy task, but he now has some time to do it.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Sep 19, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Coker will not be buying Tobin or Gettis a steak dinner at the end of the season.

They are getting him killed at times.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Sep 19, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

With Schref working in at LG

this last game, and I think someone mentioned MacMillan would be healthy next week, could we see a different pair of guards for the Big Ten season?

by whohawk on Sep 19, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Scherff wasn't overwhelming on Saturday either

and gave up a terrible sack in the 3rd qtr where he just didn’t block anyone. And I thought Tobin looked better this Saturday, particularly in the 2nd half (he was in for the entire comeback), or at least not his horrorshow self of the first two weeks. some of that may be simply rust on Scherff’s part, and some may be Tobin getting his head out of his ass. I would hope that MacMillan can be eased back into the starting role.

As for Gettis, I didn’t really notice him, for good or ill, either time I watched the game. I’m not sure what that means for the team, however.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 19, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed about Scherff

I thought Tobin was horrible early on, and we moved the ball OK with Scherff in there. Then they put Tobin back in for a bit, then went back to Scherff (who promptly gave up that horrible sack). The fact that we moved it so well with Tobin in there after that probably seals him starting for a few weeks.

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by Brock8144 on Sep 20, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

SMA, do you think we'll open in the 'gun like Manning does?

I’m trying to find a good reason to not open up our first series in the ’gun… really really.

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by The Bird Cult on Sep 19, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

He left a lot of yards on the field...

He has to run north and south. I saw him constantly trying to juke guys and ending up with a couple less yards than he could have had. He might be shying away from contact or is just trying to find his rhythm. Either way it’s fixable.

by rosko on Sep 19, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's why we need to open in the 'gun

Get a few dink and doink passes, and when they quit stacking the box, hand it to Coker and just tell “make the first cut and GO – no juking shit”. With his build and an unstacked box, if the blocking is worth a shit, he should get 5-6 a pop easy.

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by The Bird Cult on Sep 19, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love how hard Coker runs

but watching him in person Saturday, I thought to myself he’s either hurt, tentative, or somehow has lost a bit of burst from last year. He literally looked like he was running in sand every time he had it. Even when he caught the ball in the open field it looked like he took forever to get going. Not real sure what’s going on there.

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by Brock8144 on Sep 20, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

BANHAMMER

But, OK, you’re right. I would say Ferentz tendencies played out as expected. He played uber-conservative offensive football orthodoxy until he was forced to do otherwise, and the team executed flawlessly when that happened (on both sides of the ball). It just so happens that his defense was so woeful in the first three quarters that he had to throw out his playbook earlier than anyone expected.

Also, the play of the game was Pitt second and goal from about the 2, where Morris saw something, signaled the slant to the linemen via ass slap, and basically run blitzed to exactly where the ball was going. I’m not saying he’s Chad Greenway, but that was a prototypical Chad Greenway play. One botched snap, one field goal, and one touchdown drive later, and we had a ballgame.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Sep 19, 2011 9:11 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, 100% this.

And when they showed the replay you could see he was ALL OVER that play. You know how the backers with pump the arm to get a strong first step during the snap, well on the replay, as the ball is being hiked by Pitt, Morris already has his arm fully extended and is taking his first step forward. So as the linemen were taking the blocking stance he was already blowing past them. It was a thing of beauty.

When Pitt got first and goal I said “Okay D, time to add to our history of great goalline stands.” And I was happy we held them to 3, but it wasn’t immediately apparent that it was so important (we were still down big). I completely forgot about it due to the excitement of the rest of the game. It wasn’t until hours after the game that I realized they HAD added to the lore. They aren’t quite Bullys of the Big Ten yet, but the D is starting to take shape a bit. It’ll be interesting to see where it goes from here.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 19, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think the defense had played

“so woeful” to that point. Sure they didn’t look great but let’s be honest here. They were on the field a LOT since the offense couldn’t get anything going, and they really only got beat bad by a couple trick-ish plays. Otherwise I felt it was a huge improvement.

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by isHawkeye on Sep 19, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed, aside from two plays

where we let them get behind us, the defense did a pretty stout job. Also, special teams looked about as good as they have been in over a year during the fourth quarter.

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by Kluginator on Sep 19, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget that due to the O's knack for penalties, the D was on the field a lot.

I honestly lay the blame for the D looking bad on Prater. 14 points were squarely on his shoulders.

Was Prater also the guy beat at PSU in 2009 on their 1st quarter touchdown? Will he ever learn to stay on his man?

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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Sep 19, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

2009 PSU was Spievey

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Sep 19, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was Sash blowing top cover.

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by therealCatnuts on Sep 19, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

No it was Spievey getting caught looking into the backfield

As he willingly admitted after the game.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 19, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remembered it as Sash biting on the play action. Huh.

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by therealCatnuts on Sep 19, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

And it probably wasn't on Prater

Hyde said after the game that both long touchdown passes came in cover 2, where Prater’s responsibility is the sideline, 10-15 yards deep from the line of scrimmage. Once the receiver gets past that point and another receiver is in the zone (a scenario Graham gameplanned to exploit repeatedly, and with much success, by running a guy into that zone to occupy Prater while the outside receiver/wheel route guy went deep), it’s the safety’s responsibility. I don’t know what safety was on that side of the field off the top of my head, but I do recall seeing Miller flailing hopelessly at the 60-yard pass receiver as if it was his responsibility.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Sep 19, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It was Tanner Miller.

I was shocked they didn’t run an out-an-up on third down in their last drive. They’d set it up perfectly with two outs.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Sep 19, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

They did

Hyde intercepted it because he didn’t bite. I knew it was coming when they ran two straight out plays and they were completed. Anyone who has faced Iowa before would know that you keep taking the out because once you go up field on the sideline Iowa will punish you.

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by Nature Boy on Sep 20, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Watching the game on DVR

Hyde got ridiculously lucky on the last pick. No safety over the top, and a good throw gets a big chunk, if not a TD. Luckily, Sunseri tried to gun it to the receiver rather than putting air under it.

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by Brock8144 on Sep 20, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its a little hard to believe they were in cover 2

on the first touchdown. Miller started the play in the middle of the field and I believe the other safety was playing shallow. If it was cover 2, the safeties were unaware

by whohawk on Sep 19, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's 100% correct

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Sep 19, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

And the camera man.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 19, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a well designed play

There was a play-action fake to the RB, then it look like Senseri was going to run it. This was when Prater crashed down. When that happened, the QB stopped and threw it to the WR. A well-designed play and one that we bit hard on.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 19, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

THIS.

It was a really good play-call executed perfectly. I take my hat off to Pitt for that call.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 20, 2011 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd for
assumes that a more heralded safety prospect could beat out a walk-on/unheralded Iowa kid for a starting safety job. I’M SO CRAZY I SHOULD TAKE PILLS TO CONTAIN MY INSANITY.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Sep 19, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have to disagree

Two touchdown passes of 30+ yards, neither of which was covered at all. 362 yards (including 114 yards rushing) conceded in 3 quarters. Consistent lack of contain (again) on Sunseri and lack of deep coverage (again) from the safeties. It was improved from last week, but it was still unsustainable.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Sep 19, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

This may not have been a vintage Iowa defensive performance

but all of the numbers that you note above are well below the averages for Pitt. While it is early in the year, Graham was the #1 rusher in the country coming in and was held to 97 yards which is about 50 less than his average. The two pass plays where they got behind us (a problem that needs to get fixed) account for over 25% of Pitts total yards.

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by Kluginator on Sep 19, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought the same until I re-watched the game without the heat of emotion

One blown coverage and two “trick” plays (the reverse fleaflicker and sneaking a TE in a tackle spot) led to all three touchdowns.

Straight up, Iowa’s D played much, much better than they did during the ISU game.

Some credit needs to go to Pitt for creative and tricky playcalling. But I think as a whole, Iowa’s defense is moving in the right direction.

by Torbee on Sep 19, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pitt deserves credit

They had some beautifully designed and executed plays. The reverse pass, in particular, worked so seamlessly because the receiver who ended up catching the TD delayed and sold the perception that he was going to be a lead blocker before turning up the field. I think that Pitt team could have something brewing there. I was impressed by their offense.

That said, the secondary had some horrendous breakdowns. That last INT by Hyde was a great athletic play, but a better pass that was thrown deeper could have been disastrous for Iowa. Hyde was beaten early and Miller was no where near the play.

It seemed like there was a lot of confusion between the CBs, Miller, and LBs in coverage. You’d have corners playing like it was cover 2 and the safety not providing the subsequent help, then nobody picking up slot receivers if they made their way out towards the sideline.

by H I McDonnough on Sep 19, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, agree.

If anything (and this isn’t exactly encouraging) but two of Pitt’s touchdowns could be blamed on the coaching staff for failure to recognize what was going on/anticipating what would happen. Against the run of play, Iowa’s D was more than decent.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 20, 2011 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yipper

For once, I can actually say I saw the exact same thing. Feel pretty lucky it happened at our end of the field, as I’m sure I would’ve missed how keyed in he was before the play even started had it been at the other end. Definitely, the turning point.

& then I have to also admit that I didn’t know #44 was Morris till I stalked him with the binocs after the play. Promise to do be better prepared in the future.

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by HawkeyeGirleye on Sep 19, 2011 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if they meant "last 400+ yd passing game in a winning game".

I was going over the media guide this morning trying to decipher the stats, but then work intervened. I’ll have to see if I can find a spare 20 minutes tonight to further investigate.

However, you know… HIMYM and Two and a Half Men comes back tonight, so I don’t know if I’ll have time to research.

by EnergizerHawk on Sep 19, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I guess I got my 20 minutes.

The little graphic that ESPN put up must have been referring to the game that would end up immediately above J. Vandenberg’s performance. Someone in the stats department forgot to remember that there are five other performances above Chuck Long’s 420 yard game in 1983.

Stats via
Scores via

by EnergizerHawk on Sep 19, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Hooray for research!

I miss the days of the Chucks and their prolific passing attacks.

Also: Chuck Hartlieb was a BALLER, although it’s not surprising that Iowa lost two of the three games where he threw for 400+ yards. Much like the Bulls’ middling record in games where Jordan scored a ton of points, one guy being that prolific generally means there are Bad Things happening somewhere else in the game.

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by RossWB on Sep 19, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, It seems that Indiana and Northwestern are frequent victims of passing attacks.

Not sure where I’m going with that idea, but I’m sure someone more astute than I can figure it out.

by EnergizerHawk on Sep 19, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's because they were usually godawful at football.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 19, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Hayden

especially if losing, was going to keep having his QB throw the damn ball if you couldn’t stop it.

"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass

by chitownhawkeye on Sep 19, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks. I would love to be part of the stats team at broadcasts.

And make legit looking graphics and make sure all the facts are correct. I’d be good at that.

Is the pay good for that kinda job? If so, where do I apply?

by EnergizerHawk on Sep 19, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is no pay

and you have to be sober, which means no drinking during the pre-game tailgating.

My cousin was the in-booth stat guy for the broadcasts while he was in law school; he got the gig because all the guys who had seniority over him kept showing up to the broadcast booth drunk and getting fired.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 19, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goddammit.

That’s a double negative then. No wonder the quality can be shitty.

by EnergizerHawk on Sep 19, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know it's late

but the ESPN graphic was for Ferentz era teams.

by Off Constantly on Sep 20, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

...

"Let me finish or I will hammerpunch your clavicle." -Steve Youngblood

by SomeJerkPoster on Sep 20, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe at Kinnick?

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 20, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Negative.

The 10/23/1999 game vs Indiana was in Kinnick – that should have been credited as the last 400+ yard passing game. Stupid boozed up stats people.

by EnergizerHawk on Sep 20, 2011 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I admit I wrote them off.

Down 24-3, little over a quarter to play, anemic offense, porous defense… the game looked like a gimme for Pitt. But then, the O went hurry-up, the D grew a pair, and Pitt stumbled in a couple of critical situations and viola we have game for the record books. And Big Ten game of the week. Dollar for donuts JV gets B1G Ten player of the week.

by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Sep 19, 2011 9:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Hey, I never panicked.

Sure, I totally gave up all hope and wrote the game off as a loss, but I never panicked.


"It doesn't matter how you play the game, it's whether you win or lose. And even that doesn't make all that much difference."

by Bucketochicken on Sep 19, 2011 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

You and me both

helped that I was at a wedding and couldn’t watch the tire fire in real-time so, when I checked the score and it was 27-10, I just gave up.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 19, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was laughing during the entire comeback.

I just couldn’t believe what was going on.

Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 19, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was laughing, too.

My laughs, however, look a lot like epileptic seizures.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 20, 2011 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Get well soon, Coach Kill

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Sep 20, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more with the 2004 comparisons.

We have some major flaws still but we just might have a good enough group of WR’s that we can get by with some of these flaws. Great to see Hyde back at CB and i am really pulling for Bernstine to stay healthy. He is an absolute game changer compared to our other safety options.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Sep 19, 2011 9:27 AM CDT reply actions  

2004 we had a pretty good defense, though

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields

by rockyh on Sep 19, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

To say the least

They finished 11th in total D and were loaded with great players like Greenway, Hodge, Considine, Roth, and Babineaux. I’m not seeing anyone on the level of those guys on this year’s team.

by NorseHawk on Sep 19, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the 2004 parallel is offense-only.

The 2011 defense is barely a shadow of the 2004 squad.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 19, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think

that in anyone’s wildest dreams we see a lot of no huddle (unless we are in a similar situation) but I think what we will see more if is the shotgun set where we are looking to stretch the field with our vertical passing game.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Sep 19, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

It'd be nice

To see something like this in a situation close to halftime, instead of sitting on the ball (as was covered ad nauseum last week). It would really add a dimension to the offense that we haven’t seen since Tate was around.

by One Night Stanzi on Sep 19, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do think we will see some of it.

When is anyone’s guess. But the coaches are not total idiots. They see that uptempo is good for James Vandenberg, they see the vast majority of college football using it as part of their basic offense, and I am sure they saw Pittsburgh fatigue while we used it. They realize we have one established running back and a handful of very capable receivers who are growing in confidence with each game. They also are seeing that defenses do not respect our passing game. Lots of blitzing and one-on-one coverage.

So, yeah, I definitely think we will see it.

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by StoopsMyAss on Sep 19, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Just to establish a rhythm when things aren’t going so smooth like Saturday. Pro teams that run a similar offense will do this from time to time. Will KOK go all spread and no huddle on everyones ass? No, but use it when needed or to try something. I had another question pop into my head. If your a defenseive coordinator getting ready for the Hawks, how do you plan for it now?

by 2LastNameWideReceiver on Sep 19, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

The groundwork for it is in place

It’s in Iowa’s 3 WR+TE shotgun setup. KOK and VDB had a process to get guys lined up, set a play up and snap the ball with 20 seconds left on the play clock. They also used a bit of empty backfield.

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by Blackheartnopants on Sep 19, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

this was the first game at Kinnick that I recall the offense having to quiet the crowd.

Undoubtedly, crowd noise became a factor in the 4th quarter. The defense keyed off of it and that helped. I overheard several people say if Pitt scored from the 2, they were gone. Didn’t happen, people stayed and Kinnick was as loud as I’ve ever heard it.

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by Swarley on Sep 19, 2011 9:38 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Except for the couple in front of us

Almost positive they left right after we held them to the FG. Sorry to see them go but it made it 1000% easier for my 9 y/o to see the game.

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Sep 19, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

There aren't many Hawkeye football Saturdays left period

I have let the team’s performance ruin my Saturdays before. Hell, when Kellen Lewis flipped into the endzone in 2008, I immediately left the stadium and punched old women all the way through the ped mall.
A couple of weeks later I found myself sitting behind Adam Shada in corporate finance plotting some kind of kidnapping, and that’s when I realized I had a problem.
I think this game was more of a lesson for the fans than the players. Stay positive, keep drinking, and good things can happen.

by whohawk on Sep 19, 2011 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm not seeing a lot of commentary about the penalties.

As I recall, our success to nearly every game in the ‘08/’09 years (aka pre-Stanzi rhythm), were the pure lack of penalty yardage and ability to progress based on penalties from the opposing team.

With that tactic being one of Captain Kirk’s mainstays, and the insane number of penalties against Iowa, I’m surprised he didn’t start smacking kids like he was Bobby Knight.

Ma'am, you're dealing here with a fully qualified male strumpet. I service the entire Quad Cities area: Moline, Rock Island, Davenport and Bettendorf. Why don't you give it a whirl? What have you got to lose? - Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute

by tigerhawk00 on Sep 19, 2011 9:46 AM CDT reply actions  

He'll smack them in practice

I’m sure they’re not going to have fun reviewing the first three quarters of film. Besides, you have to look at the player overall, somtimes you just have a bad day and rack up too many stupid penalties.

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by Flakbait on Sep 19, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

although the officiating was, um, not good (to put it kindly). At one point, after one of our personal fouls (which, IIRC, was pretty sketchy) – the penalties were 8 for 85 for us and 2 for 20 for them.

"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe

by Brock8144 on Sep 20, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

While we have some depth issues at RB...

I am scratching my head regarding the TE position. In my worst nightmares, I did not see Derby getting serious reps during a game where we were fighting for our lives. What is going on with Herman and the hat. Are there injury issues that I don’t know about? I really figured that Hamilton would see PT before Zach Derby. That said, he did not play badly but something is seriously wrong if Derby is in the game when the outcome is in doubt.

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by Kluginator on Sep 19, 2011 9:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Derby has played very well when given the chance.

The one thing that really struck me about the game was the massive level of substitutions across the board. I think I counted at least 7 different D-Line guys playing, 6 different O-Line guys playing, and who knows how many others I missed. I mean, who the heck ever saw Bullock before?

It seemed to me the coaching staff realized that the group they had at IA-State wasn’t clicking and were trying to see if anyone would distinguish themselves in real game action.

Oh, and please God, can we get a healthy Nolan MacMillan back before the B1G season starts?

by DrHenryKillinger on Sep 19, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

There was a post on Hawkeye Report stating the Hat

went into full-on pout mode late in the game. He has all the talent in the world, but tempo seems to be his biggest issue – Eric Johnson mentioned during the I-Club circuit that he doesn’t always go full speed and KF apparently called him on it during one of the open practices.

Not sure on Brad Herman. The false start penalties are mind-boggling though. Those need to stop, fast.

I agree – I thought we’d see Hamilton well before we saw Derby.

Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.

by Nickhawk08 on Sep 19, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think most people were hoping to see Bullock (or Canzeri) at some point...

since running Coker 30+ times a game is not really a sustainable approach for the rushing attack. But it was nice to finally see him on the field as a running back.

I noticed the DL shuffling as well (according to the participation report, eight different DL played — Alvis, Nardo, Daniels and Binns started, but Daniel, Davis, Cooper, and Forgy also saw action), which I saw as a positive. If we don’t have any all-conference-types like Clayborn, Ballard, and Klug on the line (and I don’t think we do), we might as well just chuck fresh bodies at the situation and hope that helps solve some of our problems at that spot. And, if nothing else, it’s valuable experience for guys like Davis and Cooper who need to get their feet wet.

I was pleasantly surprised to see so many changes on defense. I was a little concerned that Ferentz and Parker would just chalk up the ISU game to bad execution or a bad day at the office and just rely on continued reps to sort things out. So to see them aggressively change the line-up (esp. in the secondary) was very encouraging.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Sep 19, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure

but he’s in the box score as participating

by rupertj on Sep 19, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I, also, did not see Cooper

but I loved seeing them running so many guys in and out. Might as well have fresher bodies in their, especially when their isn’t much of a difference in ability.

"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe

by Brock8144 on Sep 20, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

there*

ugh

"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe

by Brock8144 on Sep 20, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was doing the mental checklist too

One side of the brain performing the checklist, holding out hope. The other side scolding myself for being so childish and optimistic when all evidence to this point was in the contrary.

But I watched the whole way through all the same.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Sep 19, 2011 10:10 AM CDT reply actions  

This.

Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 19, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

My one hope

is that Ferentz had a nice heart to heart with himself and realized that if he wants to win going forward he has to not worry about being 50/50 run-pass and trust his offense to make some plays.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Sep 19, 2011 10:54 AM CDT reply actions  

In his defense

Vandy could not hit the broad side of a barn in the first half. If I was Keenan Davis’ mother, I would have bitch slapped JVB at the half. His high throws over the middle put the WRs in some very compromising (dangerous) positions.

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Sep 19, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

wait wait wait

so you’re not kennan davis’ mom?

by sailorjerry on Sep 19, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Learn something new everyday

"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe

by Brock8144 on Sep 20, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

From a stadium feel.

this game reminded me of 2007 Indiana for the first three quarters. There was just nothing we could do right and we never felt in it after the second half…until the comeback. I have never heard Kinnick go from that quiet to that loud over the course of a quarter. And the student totally eat it up when Kirk goes batshit on the refs.

by Argulor on Sep 19, 2011 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Honestly, I couldn't tell that was KF

Even on the replay I don’t think I have ever seen him that insanely upset. If nothing else it had to scare the shit out of a few of the younger guys. It surprised me and I am double the age of a majority of the guys on the team.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Sep 19, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, they were awful

"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe

by Brock8144 on Sep 20, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only other time I can remember him getting that pissed was

Purdue 04 when he was screaming and his gum fell out of his mouth. He was beat-red too.

Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.

by Nickhawk08 on Sep 19, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was awesome.

I wish there was some video on the internet of that.

"Let me finish or I will hammerpunch your clavicle." -Steve Youngblood

by SomeJerkPoster on Sep 19, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did see a few fans on TV heading for the hills

But I didn’t notice a crowd difference when they showed wide-lens view of Kinnick. To hell with them.

by mikjones24 on Sep 19, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't know you were a Cornhusker fan.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Sep 19, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I, too, prefer to hit your wife.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 19, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I rec'd this but don't tell my wife

in truth she could/would kick my lame ass.

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Sep 19, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

This perfectly encapsulates

what a close friend of ours is like during the game. And he left right before the comeback started, amidst pouting and whining. And they ended up winning. It was glorious.

Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 19, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our backyard has a 100+ year old ginormous oak tree towering over it

From the neighbors yard next door. Now acorns are bombing the patio roof randomly at night, it sounds like a gun going off sometimes. And with the Delta breeze and winter coming, we have tons of those little sharp oak leaves everywhere.

So the answer is there are ALWAYS leaves to be blown out of the backyard.

"u r awesome" ~ my daughter

by The Bird Cult on Sep 19, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was all good with teacher

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall

by Blackheartnopants on Sep 19, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

When I was in first grade, I raised my hand and offered "dumbbell" and "dingbat" as examples of compound words.

My mother was quite proud.

"Let me finish or I will hammerpunch your clavicle." -Steve Youngblood

by SomeJerkPoster on Sep 19, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you for the LAWL

This is nowhere near as good as that story but there was a time when our younger one would walk around saying ‘holy ship’ with great gusto. Kids-isms rock.

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Sep 19, 2011 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

My wife teaches on gamedays

so we have a sitter come over just to keep the kids out of ear-shot of my in-game histrionics. This actually now means taking them out of the house entirely.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 20, 2011 2:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hear, Hear on the note about the pessimism

I never turned off the game, but I definitely turned off the computer. It got tiring.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Sep 19, 2011 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I never turned the computer on.

I could sense the shitstorm from the couch.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Sep 19, 2011 1:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yep

this was my solution too. It’s better this way

by txhawkeye on Sep 19, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

You never walk out on Sinatra, and you never turn a Hawk game off until it's over (like, no time left).

I have seen WAY too many unbelievable come from behind, last second wins to ever give up on the Hawks. Besides, I was taught at an early age that if you are going to enjoy watching the win, then you also have to endure the losses. Those painful moments are what drives the catharsis when things like “7 Got 6” happen.

People missed Murry’s FG to beat Penn State in 08. People missed the twin blocked FGs to beat UNI. People missed The Comeback on Saturday.
I will NEVER be one of those people.
You stay, you suffer, you freeze, and if we lose you complain and cry in a beer or something, but if you don’t watch then don’t tell me how bad we looked.
Football is a series of plays that consist of controlled chaos. Anything can happen. You watch (and cheer if you can muster it) until the bitter end.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 19, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

People missed Indiana dropping a pass in the endzone!

Hell, I wish I’d missed that.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 20, 2011 2:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am proud to admit that I learned my lesson

in the ‘09 season, when the Hawks seemed to be down and out, but would come back and win. Let’s see, there was the UNI game (lots of worry and cussing in that game), MSU game (i think i suffered a small heart attack, then “7 got 6” to win), the Indiana game (Stanzi couldn’t have been worse in that game, throwing 5 picks I think. There was so much frustration and cussing my wife actually had to leave the house with the kids), and the PSU game where we were down right at the start.

So, yes, I stayed on ESPN2 and watched the whole game, even though I was tempted to turn the channel, I stayed the course, kept my emotions under control, didn’t participate in the Live game thread (read it afterwords and was extremely glad I didn’t log in to particpate) for my faithfulness to the Hawks, they won the game and they won because I stayed and watched, you can’t prove otherwise, they won because I didn’t turn the channel.

All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!

TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel

by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Sep 19, 2011 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

After the game KF credited "Barta's Shaving Cream"

and said “couldn’t have done it if he’d turned the channel… couldn’t have… so it was good play from our spectators that really turned the tide in this one.”

I’m sure the name thing was either a backhanded swipe at Twitter (for its association with DJK) or just a bad reportage on the Press Citizen’s part.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Sep 19, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

EXACTLY!

I knew that my watching the game all the way through to the end won the game.

You all can thank me for that. I should have been the BIG player of the week.

/justincasenooneknowsiambeingsarcastic

All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!

TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel

by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Sep 19, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indiana 2009

The thing about that game – while I was sitting on the couch seething at every hole Iowa dug themselves, it never felt that hopeless that a comeback was possible. Offense was moving pretty well, but Stanzi just seemed to forget every 7th play that he was throwing into a wind. It just felt that if Stanzi stopped trying to get all of the points back in one throw, things would turn around (and they did).

This felt a bit more improbable. It would have felt a LOT more improbable, though, if Indiana 2009 wasn’t in our memory banks.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Sep 19, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was at that game

In the Indiana section (only place the gf could get tickets). The entire game, the IU fans were saying to us “Don’t worry, you guys have this in the bag” and “You’re a second-half team and we suck”. Even when they were up huge, the entire section was convinced that they would find a way to lose the game.

After Sash’s interception, it was so loud in the stadium, and you could just feel the comeback. The end of that game literally looked like a different team came out to play the second half…they were just unreal.

by One Night Stanzi on Sep 19, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

"It just felt that if Stanzi stopped trying to get all of the points back in one throw, things would turn around."

Ironically, Stanzi basically got all the points back in three throws.

I said I have a DRINKING PROBLEM!!

by bornofclay on Sep 19, 2011 2:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Very ironic.

Is it weird that when the wind was at our back, we ran short routes that were broken for long plays, and while the wind was in our face, we heaved it deep on post routes?

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Sep 19, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Weirdly enough

I’ve never been angrier at half-time of a game. If anything, that game taught me to chill out a bit.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 20, 2011 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

A note about field position...

For the first 3 quarters, Iowa’s drives began, on average, from the 25 yard line while in the 4th quarter we started from the 27, 36, 36, 43.

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Sep 19, 2011 2:11 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

On that first long touchdown for Pitt.

Sorry if already mentioned, but that was an illegal play. (I think) the right takle and right guard surged forward as if it were a run play. They actually blew Cooper straight backwards onto his ass. By the time the qb threw the ball, they were both about 3 or 4 yards down field.

What I am sure happened is that the safety Miller read run, because the linemen surged forward as if it were a run. But the qb passed it anyway. It should have been a penalty for ineligible receiver downfield.

Someone pointed this out on the Hawkeyenation live chat. Has this been mentioned anywhere else?

by StevenDS on Sep 19, 2011 2:11 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

This....

Iowa -Pitt video highlights

In the video link above, at about 47 second mark, you can clearly see the guard and tackle are 4-6 yards down field before the pass.

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Sep 19, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can see it here

It’s at the :48 second mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFKskU3efAc

It is so blatantly obvious, everyone should take back their criticisms of Tanner Miller. Right?

by StevenDS on Sep 19, 2011 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Great minds....yadda, yadda, yadda

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Sep 19, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow. That is absolutely ridiculous.

The right guard and tackle had no idea that was going to be a pass play.

by H I McDonnough on Sep 19, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

But that was pretty much par for the course with that crew

One of the worst officiating crews I’ve seen. The Davis catch that had to be reviewed, the penalty during the kick which they incorrectly spotted as a penalty during the return (astute coaching from KF on that one, btw), I think Bullock scored before VDB’s TD (the tirade that set KF off), their long TD with two linemen clearly downfield. I’m sure there are more too.

Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.

by Nickhawk08 on Sep 19, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

This.

It’s somewhat surprising that they gave us both of those pass interference calls on the last 2 drives. If they miss either one, we probably don’t pull this one out, having to convert 4th and long in both cases.

by RiverCityHawkFan on Sep 19, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

The 2006 Outback Bowl crew would like a word with you

but C-USA doesn’t have enough money for the cell phone minutes.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 20, 2011 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

There was a terrible hold on the play before there last TD as well.

I has not happy.

He sired a baseball team... An orchestra, if you count the bastards!

by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Sep 20, 2011 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

There was one punt

where BOTH gunners were pretty blatantly held (neither was called), and there’s a pretty obvious block in the back during their last kick return (yes, we tackled them inside the 10, but they should have been back even further).

"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe

by Brock8144 on Sep 20, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we not just re-use

Heart Attack Hawks? That way it’s an inside joke when we say hah?

by dirtydave on Sep 19, 2011 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

+1 for mentioning Scott Mullen.

Those were the days, eh?

I said I have a DRINKING PROBLEM!!

by bornofclay on Sep 19, 2011 2:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Did anyone else feel like the kickoff out of bounds started Iowa's rally?

When re-watching the game last night, it struck me that that is exactly when Iowa started the comeback. Reminded me of how much the same thing haunted Iowa the week before in Ames.

There’s just nothing worse in football than kicking the damn kickoff out of bounds.

by H I McDonnough on Sep 19, 2011 2:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Losing by the touchdowns to Pitt?

Better drink my own pee.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall

by Blackheartnopants on Sep 19, 2011 2:52 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Well....Fuck....

Apparently Bruce Davis has decided to QUIT on the team…

by FlyingDutchman1 on Sep 19, 2011 3:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Seriously?!

You need to have the attitude in 3 different threads? Hope you received (& enjoyed) the attention you were so clearly looking for. Sheesh.

Of course you’re entitled to feel however you wish about his departure. I just don’t get why you needed to be all crabby about it in 3 (or more?) separate threads.

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Sep 20, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Few thoughts on why we had to make a comeback....

Penaties
I again watched the game x2 and found that the majority of the problem was penalties. (Sorry if this was covered extensively I’ve missed a few posts). Multiple times with Iowa on the move or close to stopping Pitt they were cited for some significant yardage. Many of these calls were boarder line at best including the Hyde penalty and the clip on the kick return and a few others. The refs fair or fowl definitely played a significant role in the game.

Running game
The running game is horrible as covered by Jacobi. I don’t want to jump on Coker but from what I’ve seen he’s not a BigTEN caliber RB. I’m really surprised we don’t have a better option back there. He looks tentative and indecisive. He is slow to the hole and he’s making cuts like he’s missing both ACLs. I will be quite surprised if we don’t see some significant time from a few other guys next game. If you go back and watch Cokers performances from last year he wasn’t exactly stellar. He leaned through large holes and made yardage. Yes, he is tough to bring down but it looks like he’s carrying the ball like a loaf of bread, shoulder high and I’d be really surprised if he doesn’t get stripped once a game against better competition. Side note: TE blocking was poor, Herman got smoked multiple times in both pass and run blocking. Sure wish we could have got Ejuan Price.

Defense looked pretty good in spots
I was pleasantly surprised by the D-line play. Binns had a good game. I thought there were vast improvements from week 2. Prater did cost us big. Quite surprised at his lack of discipline. He got sucked up multiple times and looked really unsure of his placement on the field.
Could we please blitz more? I know the Iowa defense has built a solid resume on bend don’t break and so on but this QB provided the perfect opportunity to blitz and blitz regularly. I don’t know why in the hell we don’t blitz more. We are basically the only team in the country that refuses to pressure the QB on a regular basis.

by Squawkeye on Sep 20, 2011 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Sorry, but I have to LOL about Coker

“not a BigTEN caliber RB”?? Yes, he’s looked a bit slow this year, but the fact is he hasn’t had many lanes to run through, either. Let’s not get so out-of hand yet.

"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe

by Brock8144 on Sep 20, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

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