The Missing: How Recent Recruiting And Retention (Or Lack Thereof) Is Hurting Iowa Football
"Next man in" is a familiar mantra, both for college football in general and Iowa football in specific. The essential nature of college football demands a certain amount of recycling; players are only around for 4-5 years (unless they're the football equivalent of Jess Settles), so there's always a certain number of new faces getting worked into the mix each year. Of course, there are also any number of other issues that expedite the recycling process and force coaches and teams to work in new blood more quickly -- persistent injury problems, transfers, dismissals, etc. Most programs will suffer if there's too much turnover in the ranks too quickly -- teaching and training are still fundamental tools since relatively few players walk on to campus ready to play at a high level.
The importance of that teaching and training is only heightened at a program like Iowa, which has built the foundation of its success on finding diamonds in the recruiting rough and coaching them up into not just productive, capable players but future all-conference selections and NFL draft picks. So when Iowa hits a snag in the recruiting process (and the accompanying retention process; getting them to campus is only half the battle -- if they don't stay you not only have a present hole on the roster but you've wasted past resources that could have been better allocated elsewhere), the results can be fairly dire.
Shaky recruiting and retention in the early-mid part of the '00s came home to roost in 2006-2007, leading to Iowa's two worst season since Ferentz pulled the program out of the cellar. The late-blooming development of the 2005 recruiting class, coupled with talented classes in 2006 and 2007, pulled Iowa out of that hole and led to the success Iowa had in 2008 and 2009. Unfortunately, now we're starting to see the effects of some more classes that, in hindsight, haven't yet panned out. Let's break down the last few Iowa recruiting classes (minus the just-arrived 2011 class).
The 2007 class was largely a feast or famine class; fortunately, its successes have been very good to Iowa football. 14/22 members of the class made it either four or five years at Iowa. 11/22 members became starters. 8/22 were/are/will be multi-year starters at Iowa by the time their careers end this year. 6/22 members failed to make it past their second year in the program.
OFFENSE
Bryan Bulaga was a three-year starter at Iowa who garnered multiple all-Big Ten and all-America nods before becoming Iowa's best lineman since Robert Gallery and a first round NFL draft pick. He was not one of the 14/22 who made it to years 4-5 at Iowa, but the three years he gave the program were an unqualified success. Marvin McNutt is on his way to being a three-year starter at Iowa; he should wind up being a multiple all-Big Ten selection and the holder of a handful of Iowa career receiving records. Markus Zusevics should wind up being a two-year starter at Iowa. Colin Sandeman was never a regular starter at wide receiver, but he provided quality depth and was Iowa's regular punt returner for two years. Allen Reisner was a fairly productive one-year starter at tight end who also provided quality depth. And Adam Gettis should wind up being a one-year starter on the offensive line.
Jevon Pugh transferred Upper Iowa after one year at Iowa. Zach Furlong stayed at Iowa for four years but never cracked the two-deeps and rarely saw game action. All in all, there was a small group of offensive recruits in 2008 (just 8 players), but they wound up being quite productive.
DEFENSE
Christian Ballard was a three-year starter who earned a little all-Big Ten love and was a fourth round NFL draft pick. He also provided excellent depth as an impact sub during his true freshman year. Tyler Sash was a three-year starter for Iowa who earned numerous all-Big Ten and all-America nods, became a fourth round NFL draft pick, and was hugely productive in an Iowa uniform. Broderick Binns, Mike Daniels, and Tyler Nielsen are on pace to be two-year starters for the Iowa defense.
Jordan Bernstine is entering his fifth and final year in the program; thus far, numerous injuries have prevented him from making much of an impact for Iowa. Lebron Daniel and Bruce Davis are fellow fifth-year seniors who have also struggled to make an impact at Iowa. Daniel is on pace to be a one-year starter at defensive end, while Davis has been a regular back-up at MLB and a fixture on special teams when healthy. Diauntae Morrow transferred to Toledo in search of more playing time after spending two years at Iowa entrenched behind Sash and Brett Greenwood. He had 40 tackles and 2 INT last year and was listed as their starting strong safety this year. Dezman Moses transferred to Tulane and became a defensive end; last year he had 51 tackles (11.5 TFL), 6 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, and 1 INT. Jacody Coleman filled in at MLB in 2007 when Mike Klinkenborg was injured, but lost out the MLB derby to Pat Angerer in 2009 and transferred to Lamar University and also became a defensive end; last year he had 40 tackles (11.5 TFL). Persistent injuries forced Cody Hundertmark to quit football and leave the team. And the sordid saga of Everson and Satterfield is well-known.
The 2008 defensive class was a mixed bag: it produced a pair of genuine stars (Sash, Ballard) and a handful of productive contributors (Daniels, Binns, Nielsen), but it also produced some high-profile flameouts and cost Iowa depth that it could badly use in the defensive secondary (Morrow) or along the defensive line (Moses, Coleman, Hundertmark). It would help if Bernstine and Daniel could have big senior seasons.
Here's where the trouble starts. Only 13/25 members of this class have made it to a fourth year. Just 8/25 have become starters, with 4/25 becoming multi-year starters. 9/25 members of the class failed to even make it past year two and overall 12/25 members of this class are already gone.
OFFENSE
Riley Reiff and James Ferentz are on pace to be three (or four, if Reiff unexpectedly returns to Iowa next fall)-year starters on the offensive line. Reiff has already earned all-Big Ten honors and he and Ferentz stand a good bet of earning more in the future. Vandenberg is on pace to be a two-year starter at Iowa, while Herman is on pace to be a one-year starter at tight end. Gimm is listed as the starter at fullback on the two-deeps, but has struggled to make an impact. Mossbrucker started most of his true freshman season in 2008, but lost his job to Daniel Murray (and then Mike Meyer) and has barely been seen since. Despite being a BHGP favorite, Big Casey has never cracked the two-deeps during the season and has seen scant playing time. John Weinke has never been able to move past QB3 status.
But at least those guys are still on the team. David Blackwell never even made it to Iowa City; poor grades forced him to go the JUCO route at Iowa Western before landing at Bethune-Cookman. Jeff Brinson survived two injury-plagued years at Iowa, then transferred to Central Florida where still more injuries ultimately forced him to quit football. Nate Guillory ended up transferring to Northwestern Oklahoma State University when it became apparent he was just going to be Shonn Greene's valet; he had 1259 yards rushing and 14 TD in 2010. Jewel Hampton served as Shonn Greene's understudy in 2008 and was on pace to be Iowa's starting running back, but injuries prematurely ended his season in 2009 and 2010. He ultimately transferred to Southern Illinois. DeMarco Paine left Iowa after one year due to bad grades and transferred to Miami (OH) after a stint at Iowa Central Community College; he had over 1000 all-purpose yards for the RedHawks last year. Shane Prater also left Iowa after one year due to poor grades, went to Iowa Western, and finally landed at Texas A&M Kingsville. Adam Robinson fell into the starting running back job after Jewel Hampton's ACL went splodey and Paki O'Meara proved ineffective and had two very productive years at Iowa before a drug arrest and "academic indigestion" led to his dismissal last December; he wound up transferring to University of Minnesota-Duluth. Khalif Staten was another academic casualty, although I don't know where he wound up landing.
If you want to know why Iowa has no experienced running backs, point to this class. In all, Reiff is a gem and Ferentz and Vandenberg look like they could have very productive Iowa careers. Beyond that, though, it doesn't look like this class is going to offer Iowa much on the offensive side of the ball.
DEFENSE
Shaun Prater is on pace to be a three-year starter at Iowa and should earn multiple all-Big Ten nods and be a future NFL draft pick. Greg Castillo has started sporadically over the last two years, but could be a regular starter this season (for good or ill). Bigach and Gaglione have struggled to stay healthy and/or crack the two deeps along the defensive line, let alone actually see the field and make an impact. They're currently listed as second-string defensive tackles on the two-deeps. Swanson has likewise struggled to crack the two-deeps in the secondary and seems destined to be a special teams player at best.
Cato had a promising future as Tyler Sash's understudy at strong safety but wound up transferring to Stephen F. Austin in search of more playing time; he had 62 tackles last year. Willie Lowe appeared sporadically in the two-deeps at cornerback, but played rarely; he remains at Iowa but has left the football team while he recovers from the rhabdo. Semmes never even made it to Iowa and transferred to Miami (OH); in 2010 he led the team with 6 sacks. J.D. Griggs transferred after two years at Iowa in which he saw the field only once (against Iowa State in 2009); I'm not sure where he landed.
This was a small defensive class, but outside of Prater it hasn't produced any players of note unless Gaglione, Castillo, and/or Bigach turn things on in a hurry.
Another problematic class. Thus far, only 3/20 players have become starters at Iowa and only one is currently on pace to be a multi-year starter (Micah Hyde). Admittedly, it's not necessarily fair to condemn these players too much for not becoming starters -- they should be either juniors or redshirt sophomores -- so it's perhaps more instructive to look at how many of them are in (or have appeared in) the two-deeps. Unfortunately, the numbers there are still grim: just 5/20 players. 8/20 players in this class didn't even make it past their second year at Iowa and half the class (10/20) is already gone.
OFFENSE
Keenan Davis is entrenched as a starter at wide receiver and, barring injury, should be a two-year starter there. Nolan MacMillan started at offensive guard last season and would again this year if he was healthy; injuries have severely limited his productivity thus far. Boffeli and Van Sloten are currently second-string on the depth chart (at C and RT, respectively). Clark, Reisen, and Cotton are not in the two-deeps and are rarely (if ever) discussed as potential options for playing time.
The most high-profile loss to the offensive portion of this recruiting class was Wegher; he split time with Adam Robinson in 2009, set an Iowa true freshman record for rushing touchdowns, and scored the game-clinching touchdown for Iowa in the Orange Bowl that year. Since then, he's had a rocky road: personal issues led him to sit out at Iowa last fall, then he transferred to Oklahoma, before transferring to Iowa Western a few weeks after that. He's currently out of football. Brad Rogers is still with the team and would be the starting fullback if healthy, but so far efforts to resolve his heart condition have been unsuccessful. Fellow fullback Scott Covert just announced plans to transfer a few weeks ago. Stephane Ngoumou never made it to Iowa City (allegedly because of grades) and landed at Ohio. Anthony Schiavone left Iowa City after one semester; I'm not sure where he landed. Offensive linemen Matt Murphy also transferred out at some point, to parts unknown.
DEFENSE
Micah Hyde is the obvious shining star here; he's currently in his second year of starting in the defensive backfield (cornerback last year, free safety this year) and is on pace to be a three-year starter overall. He earned all-Big Ten honors last year (honorable mention) and has already been hugely productive for Iowa. Dominic Alvis cracked the two-deeps this year and emerged as the starter at defensive tackle; thus far the results have been inconsistent, but he has potential and could be a multi-year starter on the defensive line. Shane DiBona saw action last year after the LBocalypse that afflicted Iowa's LB corps took out multiple player, but multiple injuries (and a bout of rhabdo) have kept him out of the two-deeps this year. Dakota Getz was set to be a reserve LB and special teamer this year, but those plans got trashed when he suffered a serious knee injury on the opening kickoff against Iowa State last Saturday.
Josh Brown spent a year at Iowa before transferring to Murray State. Tyler Harrell never made it to Iowa and wound up going to Louisville instead. Martin Hopkins spent a year at Iowa before transferring to parts unknown. Brown was a S/LB prospect, while both Harrell and Hopkins were projected to be defensive lineman (and, indeed, Harrell is a defensive lineman for Louisville).
The returns on this class do not look promising. Half of the class is no longer even present and only half of those remaining are in the two-deeps (although Getz and DiBona have the potential to add depth at LB when they get healthy again).
Thankfully, this is looking like Iowa's most fruitful class since 2006-2007. Already 3/22 players are starters (Marcus Coker, Christian Kirksey, and James Morris) and three others might be if they were healthy (Brandon Scherff, Carl Davis, B.J. Lowery). 10/22 players are in the current two-deeps and three others easily could be by season's end (De'Andre Johnson, Davis, Lowery). And while it must just be because the thrill of the new hasn't entirely worn off with this group yet, even guys who haven't yet cracked the two-deeps (like Shumpert, Hardy, and Trinca-Pasat) have generated more positive buzz than some of the older players who are trying to crack the two-deeps.
OFFENSE
Coker is entrenched as the starter at running back and looks set to be a multi-year starter there, barring injury, illness, or other AIRBHG-induced plague. Derby is Vandenberg's understudy at quarterback, while Donnal is listed as Reiff's replacement at left tackle. Fiedorowicz is pushing Brad Herman for playing time and Martin-Manley seems entrenched as Iowa's WR3 and primary slot receiver. Scherff would probably be the starting left guard today if he'd been healthy through training camp and De'Andre Johnson is primed to battle Jason White for carries at the RB2 spot. Shumpert has seen a few snaps on offense but is likely no better than the fourth or fifth option at wide receiver.
This group did suffer a departure, though: tight end Austin Vier was forced to retire before even playing a snap at Iowa due to a back condition.
DEFENSE
Kirksey and Morris are entrenched as two of Iowa's starters at the linebacker positions and look poised to be multi-year starters there. As noted above, if healthy, Carl Davis and B.J. Lowery would be pushing for playing time (if not starting jobs) at DT and CB, respectively. Hitchens has been installed as Kirksey's back-up and Tanner Miller is currently listed as Micah Hyde's back-up at free safety. There was some buzz over the summer that Hardy and LTP were poised to break into the two-deeps, but thus far that seems premature. They may still be in the developmental phase that envelops so many Iowa players. Where Poggi fits into the picture is a bit of a mystery right now: so far, his Iowa career has been plagued by injuries (and the rhabdo); he'll need to get healthy in order to push for a spot at linebacker. Punter (and Aussie heartthrob) Jonny Mullings is still with the team, but it doesn't sound like there will be a happy ending to this story: he failed to beat out fifth-year senior Eric Guthrie for the starting punter job this year, then failed to even get invited to fall training camp, and currently isn't even listed as the back-up punter (that would be John Wienke). The fact that Iowa received a verbal commitment from a punter for their 2012 class doesn't bode well for his future at Iowa, either.
If Mullings does leave, he would become the fourth player from the defensive side of the ball in the 2010 class to depart. Anthony Ferguson and Austin Gray transferred away for personal reasons (supposedly homesickness in Ferguson's case) and Donavan Johnson has also transferred away (allegedly for academic reasons).
This class has immense potential and its members are doing a pretty fair job of living up to it already with so many of them cracking the two-deeps and generating positive reviews from observers.
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As always, you can't close the book on a recruiting class until five years have passed and all of its members have come and gone. Iowa's 2005 class never lived up to its lofty expectations, but a core of players from that class were instrumental to leading Iowa to success in 2008 and 2009, so it certainly wasn't a total bust. Likewise, the 2008 and 2009 classes won't be total busts for Iowa, either -- each has a handful of upper-echelon talent that should star for Iowa -- but the departures from those classes (a staggering 20/45 members of those classes are no longer at Iowa) have also left gaping holes in Iowa's depth. If you wonder why the two-deeps at RB, DL, LB, and DB are littered with freshmen and sophomores, it's because that's where the transfer bug has been localized. In the 2007-2010 recruiting classes, Iowa lost eight (!) running backs (including fullbacks), six defensive linemen, four linebackers, and six defensive backs. Would that depth be helpful? Absolutely.
It's been a longstanding tradition of the Iowa program for previously-unheralded players to shine when they finally get a chance to shine as seniors. The 2003 season goes a lot differently if Ramon Ochoa doesn't emerge as a very capable receiver (and excellent punt returner) as a senior. There's no The Catch if Warren Holloway doesn't hang around for a chance as a fifth year senior. It's one of the reasons we were so excited about Bernstine; the stars seemed aligned to make him Iowa's latest fifth-year senior success story. (Unfortunately, the stars also apparently want him to suffer further, as evidenced by the strep throat that kept him out of the Iowa State game last weekend.) It's unclear exactly how good most of the players who've transferred away were -- in most cases, they left before they could make much of an impact on the field at Iowa (some notable exceptions being Hampton, Robinson, and Wegher -- we know what we're missing there) -- so it's hard to say how many of them would have pushed for starting jobs or spots in the two-deeps. Certainly, the depatures of the two most recent players (Covert and Vier) caused nary a ripple, largely because they were at positions where Iowa has a cornucopia of options (fullback and tight end). But once a guy's gone, he's gone and he can't contribute to the program any longer, whether as a one-year starter down the road, a bit player, or even just a quality practice player.
Thus far, the early results paint a promising picture for the freshmen and sophomores of the 2010 and 2011 classes, which is encouraging. No doubt some of those players would have pushed for playing time no matter what -- they're just that good. But one of the key reasons there are so many of them littering the two-deeps now is because of the lack of depth (and, to an extent, quality) of the 2008 and 2009 classes. No recruiting class is perfect, but those classes have seen far too many strikeouts already -- and that's something a program like Iowa can ill afford if they want to make rebuilding years as smooth as possible.
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When I was on my old site I put together a "Do stars matter" post. Because all the cool kids were.
And I came up with two charts:

The chart above represents the total number of players since 2002 that have gone to Penn State, OSU, or Iowa and their star rankings at enrollment.
“Iowa however provides us with an interesting perspective of one of the points mentioned earlier. Coaching and Development. Picking up almost 200, 2 and 3 star recruits since 2002 Iowa has still been fielding a very strong talented team for the better part of a decade. Certainly Iowa had a few years of uninspiring play, but the Hawkeyes for the most part have continued to bring in the same talent level and have continually coached it up. While this may speak more to Penn State’s staff than Iowa’s, it is interesting to note how Penn State has struggled to defeat Iowa, while still theoretically maintaining a recruiting edge.”
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And this one.

“This trend continues in the chart above. ASPN, or Aggregate Star Power Number, represents the total number of stars on a team as if all four classes, freshman through senior, were still represented by their rating on a 5 star scale. While this doesn’t account for a 4 star transfer or a 5 star injury, the deviations that would occur by subtracting these players would not change the general pattern as shown above.
The graph suggests that Iowa fields a team that in theory is worse than Penn State or Ohio State, but manages to continually put together talented teams. Penn State on the other hand is an obvious click down from Ohio State. While Penn State might beat OSU in any given year, the generally trajectory of the two programs are not similar. This is not a shocking disovery just an anticipated result."
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It's pretty clear that getting more talented players, over time, provides a better team.
This really shouldn’t be questioned. (well, questioned, looked at, and then determined to be accurate)
If Iowa could get to the level of tOSU, they would clearly be as good, and maybe better, than the Buckeyes.
meh
What I got out of this
Wasn’t necessarily how heralded our recruits are, but that the sheer numbers of players departing the program, for whatever reason, has a major effect on productivity. “Next Man In” only works when there is a next man in, so to speak. Having to contstantly juggle the depth chart and/or start younger players does have an effect, espeically in a prgoram like Iowas that is so dependant on player development.
I would be interested to see figures for other D1 programs, especially in the B10. I wonder how Iowa compares to those in terms of keeping a recruiting class all the way until graduation. While it sucks that we seem to lose a lot of players, I don’t monitor other teams so I don’t know the averages.
by SupermanWears#6 on Sep 12, 2011 3:24 PM CDT reply actions
I was curious of that myself.
It could be a good off-season project. The challenge is that I don’t know any other program remotely as well as Iowa’s. That said, it shouldn’t be too hard just to tell if Player X is still on Team A.
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I wondered the same earlier today in another thread
The departures do look pretty scary. Without knowing what other programs deal with, tho, it’s hard to comprehend how this compares.
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by HawkeyeGirleye on Sep 12, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
How Iowa's attrition compares to other programs' attrition is interesting, but also a slightly different issue, I think.
We don’t really need to know what’s going on with other programs to know that this much attrition at Iowa, which is still fundamentally a developmental program, is A Bad Thing.
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What, then, if Iowa did start landing more big recruits?
I could only imagine this problem compounding. That’s not to say that all 4 and 5 star kids coming out of HS are head cases, but haven’t we had some issues already in keeping some of those players? I almost think we are better off with a 2 or 3 star kid who is willing to sit, learn, and above all, work his tail off to become a starter.
by SupermanWears#6 on Sep 12, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Iowa probably needs a mix of both.
The excellent defenses in 2008 and 2009 don’t happen without blue-chip guys like Clayborn or Ballard — but they also don’t happen without less-heralded guys who developed over time like King, Kroul, Angerer, Klug, etc.
Iowa’s certainly had their share of washouts with high-profile recruits, but they’ve had succes stories, too. I don’t think they can entirely shut the door on guys like that and expect to compete for Big Ten titles.
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We've had lots and lots of lowly rated kids transfer too
It’s not a problem exclusive to the highly rated kids.
Nor are highly rated kids more likely to bust at Iowa just because they are highly ranked. We have our share of busts, but so does every team. It’s just more noticeable here because we get so few of them. We’ve also had plenty of players who came in highly regraded by the recruiting services and turned into stars or solid contributors. Ceasing to recruit these sorts of players all together would be a very idea, and thankfully the staff shows no signs of doing so.
dammt, should have just agreedwith what you said.
it’s not the better recruits aren’t more likely to flame out, it’s just much more noticeable at Iowa. As I stated below, Coleman, Murrow and Moses would have made a world of difference to this year’s and last’s defensive teams, and they were 2-, 3-, and 2-star recruits, respectively,
meh
This is just dumb.
More-talented players are not more inclined to be headcases than less-talented players. Tyler Harrell was a 2-star recruit, and as stated below, he was still uber-headcase-y. Shane Prater was equally odd.
You just don’t remember those guys because they’re rarely good enough to contribute before they flame out, and the coaches never talk about them in their first couple of years (or rarely do).
Wegher was a big public affair because he was 4-star RB (and probably a borderline 5-star if he was in Ohio and Florida where he could have got more exposure), and because he was so awesome a true freshman. There are/were six other guys from that class that have already left, yet we don’t know about them because they just weren’t that good.
Moeaki stuck around despite constantly getting hurt. Fiedorowicz has stuck around despite having the same uber-confidence and expectations of coming right in and playing. Yet, he realized he had a lot to learn despite his physical talents, and fromeverything I’ve read, has been very eager to learn, work hard, sit behind those which I’m sure he saw as inferior athletic talents both last year and this year. So, no to your implied question; they should not just concentrate on 2 and 3 star guys because it seems like they work harder.
I guess it may not be “dumb,” but it’s certainly selective memory, or lack of looking into the situation.
meh
True
Just wondering if more attrition is making the job tougher here &, in the long run, why (if it turns out to be the case) we lose players. That’d be pretty complicated to research & draw conclusions to given the multitude of reasons kids leave & the possible (probable?) unknown of whether any given kid who leaves would’ve been a real loss of value (Wegher, Robinson are easy, most of the rest less so).
You guys give us so much, so fast that I take for granted how much work you all put it in. Kudos, BHGP staff.
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by HawkeyeGirleye on Sep 12, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuck
In the 2007-2010 recruiting classes, Iowa lost eight (!) running backs (including fullbacks), six defensive linemen, four linebackers, and six defensive backs.
This year is making me very nervous. Oh, wait, it’s Iowa football. When hasn’t that been the case?
I love this post (hate its truthiness)
The coaches clearly need to have a chart sitting in their office, produced by the SID, that shows the RB attrition issues. At season’s end, when a guy comes in to talk about transferring after lack of playing time, you just pull out the chart, flash card, what have you, and let it speak for itself.
It really needs no explanation. Leave and toil and Middle-Bumble-Fuck State, or stay and take your turn as next man in. It’s Iowa. Between AIRBHG, LBpocalypse, Coach Doyle, and Kinnick’s ACL-hating turf, YOU WILL get your chance to start and star.
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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Sep 12, 2011 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good post
The bottom line is that our 2006 and 2007 recruiting classes were great, while our 2008 class was average and our 2009 classes was downright awful. Going in to last season I was highly optimistic about Iowa’s chances for an all-time great season. I felt that way based on the assumption that the 2009 recruiting class would be on the same level as the previous years, and that certain players would emerge, and that special teams contributions would be solid.
Instead, no player emerged to make any contribution whatsoever, except for Hyde. We basically played last year, and will play future years, with a total stink bomb from 2009’s class. That puts a ceiling on just how good Iowa can be, we just don’t have that kind of margin for error.
I'm still optimistic for Keenan, although he needs to have more days like Saturday.
I think Nolan Mac would be a good lineman for Iowa — IF he could stay healthy. I’m cautiously optimistic about Van Sloten and Alvis, too. Even so, the ‘09 class is still going to go down as a pretty bad one, I’m afraid.
It puts a lot of pressure on the ‘10 class (as well as the ’11 class, to an extent) to pick up the slack. I’m very optimistic about both of those classes, but playing that many freshmen and sophomores is bound to lead to some growing pains.
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Yeah I'm very very high on the '10 and '11 classes
I mean it’s impossible to know how things will work out, but just as recruiting classes they’re our best since at least ‘07 and possibly ’05. We’re off to a good start this year too. The staff is doing a much better job getting an early start on recruiting the last few years and it’s made a big difference.
It's been hit really hard by attrition, but there's still a lot of time left for some of those guys to contribute
Keenan appears to be well on his way to contributing, Alvis is playing a lot and could be good, and Nolan MacMillan would be starting if it weren’t for injuries, which he still has a few years to sort out. The staff also seems to be very high on Bofelli and Van Sloten.
Sure, there may be some contributions going forward...
But I think 2009 will go down as the worst recruiting class since ’96.
Not to scare anyone, but the ’97 team (Dwight, DeVries, Goff, Banks) was a few plays (and a few players) short of being a great team and having a great season. It got no help from the ’96 class. The following years of course were not pretty.
I hope you are right about the ‘10 and ’11 classes. Because we are going to lose our 4 best defenders next year (Daniels, Binns, Nielsen and Prater). If the ’10 and ’11 classes aren’t special, the defense in the next couple years may be quite a bit worse than this year. Which is depressing.
I'm trying very hard not to think about the fact that we'll be replacing three starters on the defensive line again next year.
Only this time we’ll be doing so with even less-experienced options.
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Not to mention that next year we will be
losing our best linebacker and our best corner back. If Bernstein is a starter this year, we could have an average defense this year even though we have 6 senior starters.
The scary thing is that while this years defense may be the worst since 2000, I don’t see any reason to think next years defense will be any better. In fact, I don’t see any way it can be.
It really depends how many of the freshmen and sophomores can hit the ground running.
Clayborn, Ballard, and Sash were able to do that in 2008 and the Iowa defense benefited tremendously. Hunter, too, for that matter. Iowa will need some of the new faces from the ‘10 and ’11 classes to step up in a hurry. They could do that — on paper, there are a lot of very talented guys in the mix. We’re just a long way from knowing how good they are/can be.
I haven’t been impressed at all with Lebron Daniel so far, so I’m not sure it would take a lot to improve upon him. Losing Daniels and Binns is a bigger blow, although they can both be very frustratingly inconsistent. Hopefully Cooper can live up to the hype or Davis can figure out how to use his size to his advantage.
Losing Nielsen will be a blow to the linebackers, but returning Morris and Kirksey should help a lot.
Likewise, losing Prater will be a blow to the secondary, but getting everyone else (sans Bernstine) should be beneficial (although that might also depend on some current guys – Castillo, Sleeper – improving). So we’ll see. Next year’s defense could be worse, but I don’t think it’s a given yet.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
The coaches seem pretty high on players like Carl Davis and Darian Cooper, though.
Plus there’s Law and Lomax in the secondary. If Morris becomes the LB he’s expected to be, he may be able to anchor the defense. Melvin Spears will be available at DE and 4-star recruit Jaleel Johnson may contend for a role in the 2-deeps.
The experience is obviously going to be a big issue, but the athletes appear to be there.
by The Mexican't on Sep 12, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, agreed.
Next year’s team~:
Trinca-Passat Alston/Poggi Lowery
Davis/Hardy Morris/Spears Miller/Lomax
Cooper/Johnson Kirksey/Hitchens Sleeper/Law
McMinn/Raymon Hyde
I have a strong feeling that guys like Alvis, Gaglione, Bigach, Sleeper, Miller, will either not garner full-time starter minutes or will lose the job outright to more-talented youngsters.
~(I make no promises about the correctness of this.)
meh
The odds of ALL those DL guys moving ahead of Alvis on the two-deeps is... slim, I would say.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
yeah,whatever
Isaid it probably wasn’t correct.I don’t know as much as you, and I didn’t research it enough on all those players.
meh
That's fine, although I don't think a ton of research was required, to be honest.
A) He’s our only non-senior starting defensive lineman.
B) He’s been arguably our best defensive lineman this year.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That's fine, although I'm not sure why you think I was yelling at you.
I was disagreeing with the point you made, that’s all.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah
He’s definitely not falling off the two-deep and I would pretty stunned if he loses his starting spot. At the very worst he’ll get bumped out to end if Davis and Cooper make a leap. He’d definitely get the start there way before Trinca-Passat.
Spears is a defensive end now, I think
They’re really really really thin there going forward, so it makes sense.
Yeah, Morehouse has mentioned that a number of times
Which makes me scared about the future of the D-line; because if this was supposed to be a “rebuilding” year and we’re graduating 3 of the 4 starters, what the hell will we do next year?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
JD Griggs
transferred to a juco on Long Island and is now at Akron.
Not that I expect anyone gives a crap . . . just filling in the blank since the article didn’t know where he ended up
by hawk_e_night_in_iowa on Sep 12, 2011 5:17 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks for the heads up.
A lot of these guys wound up at MAC schools.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
In fairness, that's who we're recruiting against about half the time for these guys.
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by WaterlooChazz on Sep 14, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
So if we're being optimistic...
This year is where it gets darkest before the dawn? It seems to me like we have a decent amount of good seniors, a pretty weak junior class (with some exceptions), and a very promising sophomore class (I hope I’m not jinxing them). If the freshmen class is about as good as the sophomore class is, then in 2013 we should be great? This post is weirdly optimistic.
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I think your level of optimism is dependent on how quickly you think those freshmen and sophomores can play at a high level.
(Assuming they actually CAN play at a high level, mind you. Right now, actual evidence is limited, so we’re kind of going off small sample sizes and recruiting hype in part.)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That is entirely true.
But the sophomores that are playing right now have shown a lot of promise (in a limited amount of time). We have ragged on Coker the last two weeks for middling performances, but we have to remember he is a true sophomore. Morris looks like a very strong (future) leader in the defense, and I think the absolute best case scenario would be that he and Kirksey turn into the Hodge and Greenway tandem of ’05. Martin-Manley showed promise in the ISU game and if Derby is 2nd string then you know the coaches see something in him (although I am more excited to see Rudock be the next multi-year starter after VB).
Maybe I’m just naively optimistic.
There is no way that Paki rushes for nine yards. -KenOKeefeIfuckinghateyou.
I am viewing this year similarly...
I’m hoping that a few young guns really separate themselves and that by game 8 we have a rock upon which to build the ‘12 team. I certainly don’t think this year is a throw away, but Ross’ write up gives me some pause about the casual, “oh, we’ll win 9 games” attitude a lot of the fans I know have.
I can’t think of examples however, of KF throwing young guys on the field when experienced players aren’t living up to his expectations? Will we see young guys come in when “experience” (that hallowed KF word) doesn’t perform?
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Sep 13, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
The most recent stupid September loss, paired with this happy recruiting breakdown...
brings to mind a movie quote.
“We got no food…no job…OUR PETS’ HEADS ARE FALLING OFF!”
Damn you super sperm!
Great write-up Ross
I definitely had not realized just how bad it has been lately.
Paine would have been a nice playmaker to have, and I thought Coleman would turn out to be a hell of a run-stuffing MLB for us. I thought Moses looked capable in the bit he got to play.
What is Cooper’s injury status? I remember you guys saying he was injured before last week’s game, but I don’t know that I ever saw what it was or how long he is out.
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Not sure what Cooper's status is.
We could certainly use him in the mix at DT.
I didn’t notice him myself, but I’ve read elsewhere that Carl Davis got a few snaps against ISU.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I remember seeing him in there a few times
not sure how many plays he got, exactly, though.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Coleman, Cato, Paine... huger losses.
The former two especially. They’d already seen significant playing time and had a great shot at being even more-regular contributors. Ugh.
I don’t even like to think about the running backs.
"Oh, glorious cheeseburger, we bow to thee. The secrets of the Universe are between the buns."
Yep.
Although Cato might be the only one of those still around this year. Coleman and Paine (not to mention Morrow and Moses) would have had to redshirt at some point over the last few years.
Still, Cato would be GREAT to have around now and Coleman would have been big to have around last year when our LBs were dropping like flies.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Coleman was going to redshirt
in 2008, I think, so as to put some separation between him and Angerer. It was a move by the coaches to keep him around but, in the end, he decided to go elsewhere.
Not having Cato really hurts, but his transfer made the most sense in that he was the same year as Sash and seemed permanently stuck behind him (assuming Sash hadn’t gone pro early). Still sucks though.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Cato definitely
Not as sure about the others. I think they were leaning receiver with Paine, and that’s one area where we’re doing really well right now. Coleman was a pretty good player, but with the coverage demands on our linebackers we might be better off with Morris. The depth would be nice though.
Tyler Harrell made it here
He just drank all the time and skipped class. Made his way out of town. Never in class and always out drinking.
Thought he had the world by the balls. His freshman year was my freshman year and I cant think of one person in our class that liked or didnt make fun of him because he thought he was going to start right away.
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In my mind, it's clear that Desman Moses and Jacody Coleman....
…were losses on the same scale, or close to, as Hampton, Wegher, and Coker.
Coleman is in Conference USA, and it’s certainly not the worst competition around. Coleman is at a Div 1-AA, but still, he showed enough at Iowa to know that he was a legit talent.
Having those two as 5th-year seniors at DE, LB or even some hybrid multi-positional talent would really have helped with the DL line depth. As would having Diauntae Morrow and a healthy Bernstine make the defensive backfield a completely different place – allowing Hyde to stay at CB along side Prater. To me, those guys are real talents lost, and just having those three (along with Bernstine) would make this defense pretty, pretty good.
Of course, none of those three guys redshirted, so if they couldn’t have been convinced of that, they would have let the team last year.
meh
Pretty sure Morrow RS his freshman year
so he would still be around. And it sure as hell would be nice to have him around, along with Cato. Ugh.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Yeah, even that alone would make the defensive backfield a ton better.
I don’t know where the two LBs-turned-245 DEs would play, but they definitely have the talent to have been on the 2-deep somewhere on this team.
meh
Why does everyone keep assuming the Reiff is gone after this year
When he said just a few months ago he plans on staying two more years.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Sep 13, 2011 1:26 AM CDT reply actions
Because he'll probably be projected as a R1 draft pick.
If he decides to stay another year, great. I’m just not going to hold my breath on that one right now.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
He's been projected as an R1 pick for some time now.
It’s not like he’s going to find the possibility of being drafted in the first round a shocking turn of events.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Sep 13, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you may be putting too much faith in the word of a 20-year-old that has yet to grasp just how much he'll be worth after this year.
If he earns a first-round grade, there’s really no reason for him to stay. Insurance policies are great, but millions of dollars and fulfillment of a childhood dream is pretty tough to top. I’d love to see him stay, but the guy can get his degree soon after moving on to the NFL, he may never get another shot at being a first-round draft selection.
by The Mexican't on Sep 13, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying he'll definitely keep his word, but
I also don’t think it’s fair to assume he’s almost certainly gone when 1)he has made statements to the contrary, 2)If he wanted to leave, he could have bolted after last year as a RS Sophomore, and 3)There are plenty of first round picks—even projected #1s—who go back for their senior (or RS junior) seasons.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Sep 14, 2011 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Kids do that all the time only to go back on it
It’s easier to say when the decision to pass up millions of dollars isn’t right in front of you.
Where did you see him say he’s coming back anyway? The only thing I’ve seen him say about it is that he’s trying not to think about it now and focus on the season (which is what everyone in that situation ever has said), but I haven’t seen him say anything definitive one way or the other
"I plan on being around here for two more years"
I think the quote is a bit older than the article.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Sep 14, 2011 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions
And because his protestations are just politically correct speech on this ballclub.
We play tackle football.
Did Pat Harty use your idea?
(Even if he didn’t, I’m going to believe he did. It’s easier that way)
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
I noticed that
within hours of of this post appearing, that article appeared. Someone must have needed to meet a deadline
It's not plagiarism if...
Wait, it’s probably plagiarism.
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Sep 13, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Mine has tables, so ha.
I did appreciate the note about Wisconsin, though.
Wisconsin is the program to which Iowa is most compared. But the Badgers have only had 12 players leave the team from the 2008, 2009 and 2010 recruiting classes, including just four from 2009 and 2010 classes, according to the current roster.
So at least compared to one of our peer schools, we’ve had a LOT more attrition. Which is concerning.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I just noticed yesterday
Cooper is not on the roster at the Iowa website. Anybody know the reason for this?
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I think they're just lazy
Cooper had some transcript issues at the very beginning of camp and thus missed the first handful of days (maybe 4 or 5?). I’m guessing they did the roster at the beginning of camp and haven’t bothered updating it. He’s definitely a part of the team though—was seen at the Kids Day scrimmage lining up (in shorts no less when everyone else was in pads) and in numerous camp pictures on Hawkeyesports.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Sep 13, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Shorts..
He was in shorts because he had to do his NCAA mandatory stint of no pads practices prior to taking part in full pads. I think the first 3-4 practices are normally under this requirement, so that’s why he was in shorts at the time of the scrimmage.
Thanks for the update
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Change of Iowa City alcohol rules...
When a few more years pass, I’d like to see the numbers of player attrition/dismissals per year, before and after they stopped allowing under 21 year olds in the bars.
It will be interesting..
Interesting, perhaps
but I don’t know how much we can really take from it
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
definately need...
about 8 years of data to draw any conclusions… If before and after are identical, you know it didn’t mean shit…
Even if they're not identical
and are, in fact, drastically different, it still means next to nothing. It’s simply correlation. Correlation is not causation.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Impressive research and work.
I actually take this in another direction, as it looks to me like reinforcement to not care about recruiting at all until these guys see the field or the two-deeps for the Hawks. Stars do matter, but so many things happen between 17yo x-star recruit and seeing the two-deeps that it’s an exercise in exhaustion, if not futility, to care.
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I understand what you're saying
and I am much more in the camp of “I don’t really give a damn what the ratings are,” but the bigger take-home point is simply that we are a ridiculously thin team, and may well be for another year or so. It’s one thing not to worry about how many stars guys have. It’s another entirely to keep them on campus. If you don’t keep them here, they can’t develop.
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