IOWA STATE 44, IOWA 41 (3OT): THE VENTING THREAD
by RossWB on Sep 10, 2011 3:02 PM CDT
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PrintThings that did not suck: Christian Kirksey, Mike Meyer (on field goals), Marcus Coker (kinda), KEENAN DAVIS
Things that did suck: Pretty much everything else.
Vent your spleen here. Or talk about the afternoon games. I'm gonna take a walk.
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yep...in OT
it is all about your ability to stop them. I thought we had the speed to finally stop the spread or at least slow it down. But, I forgot how important rush on the QB was. Unless we figure that out the season is going to be flipped on what I thought we could accomplish.
We have not had an answer to the spread with a mobile QB for a while now.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
They only got 9 yards in the 3rd OT.
That’s horseshit for a “good” offense against a shitty Iowa State. I don’t care how good the defense,but if your offense can only score 24 pts against Iowa State, you’re not gonna stop or even slowdown the likes of Nebraska, Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan St. Northwestern.
Defense sucked in key situations, but the offense sucked balls, too.
This boring-ass, “we’ll sit on the ball at the end o the half even though we have two really good wide receivers and a strong-armed QB” is really getting old. What they get it with, 2+ minutes left and they just ran it up the middle 3 times?
meh
End around
I’d be very happy if I never saw that again as our only attempt to switch it up.
by Senator Butthole on Sep 11, 2011 2:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm probably on the sunshine and lollipops side of the fandom, but
I didn’t think they’d be great, just above average. Good Iowa teams have dropped games to ISU and to teams with mobile QBs.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
I'm not sure that's optimistic.
If you’re not surprised by the loss, then you thought poorly of them going into the game.
meh
Uhhhhh
Cheering for inconsistent, undisciplined teams [Twins, Wild, Packers, Hawkeyes] since 1989. "False Hope is better than No Hope"
we have 2 of those
"Stats from the spring," he said when handed the numbers. "I can take those down to the spare bathroom in the house. We can put them to use down there."
- Paul Rhoads
As long as we're bringing up the past,
we have one of these:
"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Sep 10, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
NOT HELPING
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 10, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
hey, you deserve to gloat
but use subject line
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
The last time that happened was...
September 15, 2007.
Yay 4 year cycles!
Cheering for inconsistent, undisciplined teams [Twins, Wild, Packers, Hawkeyes] since 1989. "False Hope is better than No Hope"
Just once
Just fucking ONCE! I would like to see us fucking adjust a game plan on the fly and play to win, not to keep it close.
by MP hawkfan on Sep 10, 2011 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
they blitzed a lot more than I'm use to seeing
that’s one adjustment.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Sep 10, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
the blitz was to answer our lack of a rush
never even heard Binns name called…once.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I think he knocked down a pass
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Sep 10, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
He recovered a fumble.
The one where the snap went by Jantz when he wasn’t looking (from what I understood via the radio waves)
I think what's more worrisome is how quiet the LBs were.
The D-Line is supposed to funnel the play to the LBs who get the tackles, but they seemed to be getting beat in pass coverage and blocked in run coverage.
"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Sep 10, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly. We’re sooo conservative, Play To Win for gods sake!!
Its gonna be scary when we face Michigan, Neb, jNw with their mobile QBs, who are a million times more talented than Jantz…
by IAinCA on Sep 10, 2011 3:11 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
And we've never had a year
where we lost to ISU and then beat those teams (except Nebby).
/extreme sarcasm font.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Ferentz gave this game away
no matter what he does the rest of the year i wont forgive him for playing for OT. Ever.
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Sep 10, 2011 3:04 PM CDT reply actions
This.
I really want to know why he chose to do it that way. What was his thought process?
Did he see that we were stopping their offense? I’m pretty sure if he thought we were doing decent on defense, he wasn’t watching the same game we were.
I’m cool with putting faith in our offense and whatnot, but why not put faith in them during the last sixty seconds of regulation? Wouldn’t that mean more? And with that time limit, maybe you can catch the defense with their pants down? Who knows. We just needed a field goal and needed a minimum of 55 yards to go. That seems like a reasonable goal to get to in 1:17, with TWO fucking timeouts at your disposal.
by EnergizerHawk on Sep 10, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm afraid the game falls on the defense
UNI did a much better job defending ISU than we did. Much better.
There were certainly moments in the game that left you with you scratching your head because of how were managing the offensive game plan. But, we had a 7-point lead late in the fourth and in OT. And we whiffed both times. Add in all the 4th quarter losses last year (all after 55 minutes too) and it’s time to look at our late game defensive philosophy.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Ferentz put a boatload of pressure on an already tired D by playing for OT.
The have to feel like shit after giving up 44 to ISU, but Ferentz has to learn that 1:17 and 2 TOs is an other-worldly amount of time in a football game. The coaching staff has to take some heat for this loss.
by The Mexican't on Sep 10, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
He hasn't learned that yet
and he’s had ample opportunities to do so. He is just refusing to do so.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
The OT 7pt lead is misleading.
And a 7 pt lead on Iowa State sucks. A Div I-AA team scored only 8 pts less than Iowa against this team?
meh
so you're agreeing with me or not.
get your shit together.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
this
As soon as it was a touchback the writing was on the wall. From our 20 KF will run out the clock every time. I don’t care if he a number one pick Manning-esque QB and 3 NFL WRs.
He clearly feels strongly about this strategy since it has happened time and time again.
The only thing that can happen is us busting a 15 to 20 yrd run. Then KF will call a TO. We get one cautious play. As soon as something goes bad KF runs out the clock.
Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.
by BoiseHawk on Sep 10, 2011 10:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He’s definitely not the level of talent we need to compete in this league
by IAinCA on Sep 10, 2011 5:50 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes.
I’m not sure if we have better younger DBs, but we should at least find out in the next game or two.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh hey look!
Minnesota has a running QB.
Cheering for inconsistent, undisciplined teams [Twins, Wild, Packers, Hawkeyes] since 1989. "False Hope is better than No Hope"
Oh hey look
half the teams we play have running QBs
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Sep 10, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
more than half. Only Michigan State does NOT have a running QB.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
How many plays can we run with 1:30 left on the clock?
Naw just kneel on it, that’s a better idea
"You want an honest answer? I have no idea."
-Kirk Ferentz
Thats what fucking kills me
If i was at the press conference i would fucking let him have it for that bullshit. two FUCKING timeouts and you do that shit?
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Sep 10, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd ask for him to explain the gameplan and lack of adjustments during...
"You want an honest answer? I have no idea."
-Kirk Ferentz
by KF Bubblegum on Sep 10, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Kirk will tell you he ran a reverse with McNutt with a pass attached
and tell you he is more than willing to take chances. Which is missing the point.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
in OT for that matter!
"You want an honest answer? I have no idea."
-Kirk Ferentz
by KF Bubblegum on Sep 10, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly...
something is flawed with this philosophy.
"You want an honest answer? I have no idea."
-Kirk Ferentz
by KF Bubblegum on Sep 10, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Oddly accurate signature.
Cheering for inconsistent, undisciplined teams [Twins, Wild, Packers, Hawkeyes] since 1989. "False Hope is better than No Hope"
It is KF's MO
He does it every time he gets. It is like playing for the OT when you have a reasonable chance to win in regulation is his crack or meth or whatever fucking drug makes you lose the killer instinct. Iowa doesn’t have the killer instinct that is needed in football. To quote Coastal Carolina’s coach, we need coaches that are dogs and not meows.
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TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Sep 10, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
This game was lost way before that.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 10, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Such as when
they converted 3rd & 20 and 3rd & 15 or so. I’m so fucking sick of this defense not stepping up when we have teams in 3rd ad long.
But mostly I’m sick of thinking that Ferentz isn’t really bothered by losing.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
This this this this.
This was our problem last year, and it’s our problem again this year. We simply have not been able to stop teams when we have them on their heels. Without fail, we will leave the middle of the field undefended. We let Wisconsin run a punt fake up the middle last year, we let Pryor convert on… what, 4th and 12? We let Iowa State do it at least 3 times in that game, twice in one drive. Giving up TWO 3rd and longs like that is unforgivable.
I’ll also second the Big 12 announcers who were utterly perplexed that we made no serious effort to take advantage of the huge, ridiculous, ungodly mismatch between McNutt and every single member of Iowa State’s secondary.
A man may leave Iowa, but Iowa never leaves a man.
by hawkeyeinstl on Sep 10, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
this is going to be the longest year ever
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Sep 10, 2011 3:09 PM CDT reply actions
Vandenberg has a lot of this on him too.
There was 3-4 drives that sputtered because of him not being able to hit an open receiver. Even when they caught it the passes weren’t there in the middle of the game. He got it together late, to his credit.
I think
that Vandenberg will be fine, but I couldn’t help flashing back to a couple of games at Kinnick last year when my neighbors behind me were screaming at KF to take Stanzi out of the game (obviously thinking that Vandenberg the superior QB). Maybe some day, but not yet.
He died for our sins.
by Jesus-H-ARob on Sep 10, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
This is not a good D.
At least right now. Tiny Alves spent way too much time on his ass. I think the O will improve as they get used to each other. I hope. I think I’ll go watch some live football. Later fellas.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Sep 10, 2011 3:10 PM CDT reply actions
We had no Dline rotation
We went from spending the off-season talking about rotating 8 guys to playing the same 4 almost all game
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Wow.
I missed so much of the game thanks to power cuts here…but perhaps it was for the better. 44-41 in 3OT? And we had a chance to try SOMETHING, ANYTHING at end of regulation?
I gotta try to get to sleep. And my bros at ISU and not going to let me.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCk!
Peace!
I’m going to watch the ’09 OSU game to make me feel better…..wait..what?
"You want an honest answer? I have no idea."
-Kirk Ferentz
this
"Stats from the spring," he said when handed the numbers. "I can take those down to the spare bathroom in the house. We can put them to use down there."
- Paul Rhoads
by tseyb_06 on Sep 10, 2011 3:12 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
So proud, so happy, it's time to jerk it.
ISU football.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Im going to drown my sorrows in rum
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Sep 10, 2011 3:12 PM CDT reply actions
Kirk's conservative approach is idiotic
Sure, Herman’s false start made it a little more risky (2nd and 13), but when all you need is a field goal and your kicker has been on………………….?!?!?
Thought Herman was very disappointing today. But not more than Kirk.
I expect Herman to lose his spot.
and the O-line might get shuffled too. Don’t even get me started on the D-line.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
One or two, tops.
But Vandy sure didn’t seem to be looking his way too often, likely has little confidence in him right now. Without a viable TE option, our pass offense seems to stall, and Coker didn’t do well with screens.
It was a problem. I think we see more C Fed next week, unless Herman can step up his game.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Sep 10, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, c'mon, you don't actually expect the D-line to get pressure on the QB
and then tackle him when they do? Talk about unrealistic expectations…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 10, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I've seen this show before.
We lose to Iowa State and then win the remaining games and then go to a BCS bowl?
How was our defense that year?
Because this year’s is abysmal.
No...
because we now have a trend. We cannot manage quick, speed-ish, atheltic QBs. Other than Mich. St., and maybe Indiana, all QBs fit that mold.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Kinda.
There were no adjustments on D except for the occasional blitz.
Literally, the D line gave that QB with the weird name a ton of confidence by a) not hitting him and b) no containment.
by Dunkdropsa2 on Sep 10, 2011 3:45 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Didn't we manage that type of QB
against Ga Tech? Against PSU with Clark and Bolden? Against Michigan with Denard? To a certain extent, against OSU?
Our defense makes good, heady players look good or great. And it produces some big plays. Sure, we need adjustments. But we also will have to allow some of these younger guys (half the secondary, most of the LBs, and half the DLs) to gain experience, confidence, and ability.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Ga Tech wasn't that sort of QB.
He was a runner, but he was big and they ran an old-school option. He wasn’t a small, spread option offense. That makes a big difference because it spreads (surprise!) the defense way more than a compacted option attack.
meh
GA Tech was a dream matchup
A quarterback that can’t pass? We can handle that.
A man may leave Iowa, but Iowa never leaves a man.
by hawkeyeinstl on Sep 10, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Point to the Brad Banks, Dallas Clark, Bob Sanders, etc. on this team.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 10, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Right now, we don't know who it is.
Right now, we have more physically talented players who need to play up to their ability. We’ll see if it happens.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Congrats on winning the new Cy-Hawk Trophy, ISU:
Cheering for inconsistent, undisciplined teams [Twins, Wild, Packers, Hawkeyes] since 1989. "False Hope is better than No Hope"
the story this week is that the OC for ISU
studied the Northwestern tapes to prepare for this game. It paid off. And I’m not being snarky, that is really what happened.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Totally agree
and they coached up Jantz to not put the game on his shoulders, as Amundsen (sp?) always did.
FOUR. THREE. COVER. TWO.
Exactly right...
Of course, it’s nothing new that Iowa’s going to run their “bend but don’t break” Cover 2 which any 12-year-old who plays Madden knows you can beat with short screen passes off of play action. This has been our defense for the last 10 years and folks have figured it out.
we'll it works when you have all americans at every position
and the QB is Kirk Cousins.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Meh.
That’s not really how ISU won today.
We’ll get better. We don’t have an alternative.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Buckle up folks
It’s going to be a looooooong, bumpy season
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
A win next week is crucial for team confidence.
Lose 2 in a row and this team is in deep shit.
by The Mexican't on Sep 10, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
After this loss
i have no confidence that they can beat anyone this year. 2-10 here we come
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Sep 10, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
We did not play awful
we had three problems:
- kick off coverage
- D-line ala QB contain
- questionable play calling on O
until and unless Kirk accepts that we cannot get a lead and hang on for dear life anymore, it will be very shaky this year. We need to — I hate to say — put teams away by mid-3rd whenever possible. No ball control anymore, balls to the wall.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Then we're truly fucked
I’m completely serious. At this point, the book on KF is big enough to know that he will just not do this.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
BOC & I talked about this all game.
Kirk Ferentz = Eddard Stark
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 10, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it was a little worse than that.
Vandy had no time to pass for most of the game. Secondary looked lost for much of the game. Coker’s longest run was about 15 yards, with most of the others being about 3-5 yards. He just didn’t have many holes.
We did not play well. And I don’t buy that ISU is really, really good. They’re OK, but I don’t see them winning more than 5-6 games this year.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Sep 10, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see ISU winning more than 4 games. But,
it might be that we are just a 6 win team. Until this team shows it can corral a QB and end these flag football plays, this is not a winning season waiting to happen.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
for the umpteenth time
we fail to escape Sept. without a loss
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I thought Coker was slow
He looked to be running in quick sand most of the time. We need that explosive back that can hit the holes faster.
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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Sep 10, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
It could just be me...
But it seems like Coker isn’t running like he was last year. He used to channel his inner Shonn Greene and truck dudes as he was hitting the holes with reckless abandon. Seems to me he’s hesitating now too. Probably the line, but he just doesn’t seem quite the same as he was in 2010.
by MaulerHawk on Sep 10, 2011 7:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah.
He might still be babying the shoulder (wasn’t he held out of contact during camp because of it?)
I’d like to see what DeAndre Johnson can do.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to see what ANYother RB can do.
I won’t be able to stand Ferentz and O’Keefe running another RB into a concussion just because they’re scared of an unknown.
meh
What I thought today is thathe'sjust not that quick laterally.
When he can go straight without making a cut like in the Insight Bowl, he’s almost as fast as anyone on the field. But he has to cut or juke or be shifty, he just didn’t seem to do that quickly. Unfortunately, he didn’t have any breakaways today to meausre the speed (maybe he was just slow), and I can’t remember accurately his previous juking plays to say he’s worse at it now than before.
But I know he’s “flat-out” fast before, and he definitely looked shifty slow today.
meh
He's not Fred Russell, or Jermelle Lewis.
He’s Shonn Greene with a little less speed and agility.
We have a guy or two who is/are probably more shifty. We can and should incorporate them. I want to see Coker go two or three games without a fumble.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the O-line might need some of the blame too
Coker seemed to be running laterally waiting for a hole to open or cut back through. His fumbles are killing me though.
by MaulerHawk on Sep 10, 2011 7:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh yeah. Definitely agree.
I wasn’t trying to blame Coker per se, just something that seemed incredibly obvious today.
meh
He was looking a lot better in the 4th and OT
I think because he was getting his confidence back. That was one of the few positives I took from the end of the game, Coker seemed to be getting back to being himself. His vision has been a bit spotty at times though.
But some sort of rotation of backs is needed, if only to rest Coker. We can’t simply ride him into the ground all season and not expect bad things to happen
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yes, we did play awful
Special teams
Defense
Offense
Each facet of the game was weak. Special teams problems were similar to last year. Late game breakdowns were similar to last year. Questionable play calling has been a hallmark of this team for years. I’m seriously worried about the rest of this year.
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Sep 10, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Place kicking
was adventurous but successful.
by ThunderHawk13 on Sep 10, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
We let off the gas at 10-0. Another score, we probably win this game.
We go conservative way too early. I know, KF will say “but we only lost by 3” but this losing by a few points SUCKS BIG ASS TIME. I’m tired of it.
Its time for O’Keefe and Parker to go. Let’s go get some mobile QBs, lets get a D that can stop the fucking running QBs, and the best way to accomplish that is to have some on the squad to fucking practice against.
"u r awesome" ~ my daughter
by The Bird Cult on Sep 10, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Bird Cult, I like you,
but this statement is dumb:
Its time for O’Keefe and Parker to go.
It is a young team. It is a non-conference game. You don’t panic and start throwing away the game plan just because some shitty team has a QB that is playing the best game of his career.
We know the problems with KOK. Parker mixed it up plenty today. Both have helped us win plenty of games.
Now, if we don’t improve and grow, and if we only get 2 or 3 wins this year, then maybe you think about changes. But I doubt that is going to happen without a vicious injury bug.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree, but only because the sonservativeness won't change if Ferentz is still there.
I think putting your faith in an offensive coordinator that’s only had the offense in the Top 1/3 of the league once in the past 8 years is dumb. But you and Ferentz agree on that.
“Maybe” you think about changes after 2 wins?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Heads better roll, even for symbolic purposes, if they finish with the 2nd worst record of Ferentz’s coaching career.
meh
Go back and read his statements after every loss.
He always wants to clean house and seems to know exactly what the cure is. Ignore it.
The buck stops with Ferentz. If you don’t like the coaching look to the top. Otherwise look across the state and see what it took for ISU to finally right itself after they got greedy and ran off a fine coach. Or just look to our own basketball program.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 11, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Kyle, I have never been a KF fan
I think Fry’s retirement caught everyone by surprise, and that they didn’t have a pool of candidates ready to go when it became obvious Hayden was gone.
That said, I think KF has done a good job and the program is actually on more solid footing than it was under Fry. However, KF simply is not adapting to changing times, and losing these close games to teams that we should easily beat is something the fan base should raise hell about when the HC is being paid 3.5 million a year.
Do I think we can do better for that kind of money? Hell yes. Whether we’ve got the guts as a fan base to demand change on the boosters is another problem.
"u r awesome" ~ my daughter
by The Bird Cult on Sep 11, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
KF's hiring certainly shows
that Bowlsby was very much valuing (maybe even too much) a coach with some Iowa experience.
And, I think they were going for someone that wasn’t real old, between the age of 35 and 45 or 50.
I’ll admit I had no idea who KF was when he was hired. I wondered why we didn’t “reel in” Stoops. But, by sometime in 2001, I made my peace with it.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 12, 2011 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I think a real problem
has been the absolute rigidity of the staff. Continuity is good, but like all virtues, too much of it becomes a bad thing. At a certain point, every organization needs fresh viewpoints and ideas, even if the guy at the top making the decisions remains the same. Part of my problem with Ferentz is really a problem with the coaching staff as a whole. There is absolutely no new thinking in the coaching offices. That’s not meant as an indictment of the coaches, merely a recognition that when you never change the inputs, you’ll always get the same information and thus same decisions.
And it has another, even more critical, ramification in the not-distant future: there is no one to take over once KF steps down. Ferentz’s staff is becoming like Fry’s staffs in his last years: tired and stale, anyone who had the ambition and ability to move on and excel (Philbin) has, while the rest have stayed. And gotten older. I think Iowa’s got some problems, but that they are fixable with medium-sized adaptations, not wholesale change. But wholesale change is what we’re going to get because no one is coming up from within (I used to think Kacz might, but his stock might be plummeting after last year and this year) and, as much as I like most of the other assistants, none have shown they have the drive/ambition/ability to be a head coach. Except KOK, but the fanbase would never accept it (he carries too much, unfairly, of the blame for Iowa’s shortcomings).
A reckoning is coming, and right now we’re either blind to it or ignoring it. And that won’t change the fact, it will only make it worse.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
It's a double edged sword
Like you say, continuity is good. But when Fitz is telling reporters he knows what we’re going to do (and he’s right), that’s a problem. Losing assistant coaches to other teams is bad in that you may have to change how you do things, and have players adjust to new faces, but it means that you have up and coming coaches who are doing a good enough job that other teams want them.
Ignore for a second KOK and Norm’s ages. Even after last year, I think another team would want Norm, at least as in a comparable position. I’m not sure you can say that about KOK.
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Sep 12, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Never been a KF fan?
Even from 02-04? I can understand one not being totally enamored with him the last few years. I don’t necessarily share the sentiment, but I understand those who do. But I don’t see how ANY Iowa fan would not be a KF fan after three straight top-10 finishes.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
KF's record
in games decided by 7 or less is truly abysmal.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Unless and until we prove we can stop
a mobile QB, we are going to be no better than a 50/50 against everyone.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Well, let's take a look at the scheudle:
Pitt (?), Northwestern, Minnesota, Michigan, and Nebraska will all feature mobile QBs. If the DL doesn’t figure out how to breakdown and tackle a QB in the backfield then Iowa could lose all of those games. That means 6-6. Also means that Iowa would need to win @ PSU and beat Sparty just to get to 6-6.
I’m going to give the team the benefit of the doubt and say they can still win 7, maybe 8 games, but a win next week is incredibly important.
by The Mexican't on Sep 10, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you seen Sunseri run?
I’m sure most lineman are more mobile than him.
I hope...
because we have no answer for mobility. None.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
That's why I added the ? after Pitt.
I know nothing about them.
by The Mexican't on Sep 10, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
nor do I...but they run a no-huddle
and their coach is among the best at coaching it.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Nebraska is going to fucking gash us
if T Mart isn’t in a body cast by then.
by ThunderHawk13 on Sep 10, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
6 wins how
If we can’t beat piss poor shitty ass Iowa state, what other 5 teams are we going to handle? This one was probably in the gimme category when all the people started calculating our record, months ago. We suck. Life sucks.
by Senator Butthole on Sep 11, 2011 2:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I wonder if Nielson was slowed by his tweaked ankle at the beginning
Or whether it was just more our poor tackling by the LBs.
Probably both.
I did love Kirksey’s sack, though.
Nielsen was definitely slowed
which also, as my brother pointed out, shows our complete lack of depth. He shouldn’t have been have even been playing.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
If you're looking for positives
Pitt nearly lost to an FCS team.
Next week is going to be an interesting game.
Yup, we should absolutly be able to beat them because of the near loss to an FCS team
because its not like we have lost to another team that almost lost to an FCS team or anything
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Sep 10, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh its a rivalry game
Anything can happen. See USC-Stanford or Pitt-WVU in 2007
So man y problems we could discuss.
Poor kick coverage.
Poor pass blocking.
Inconsistent run blocking.
Inability to get the ball to WR playmakers in 2nd and 3rd qtr
Terrible, conservative coaching decisions
Terrible tackling
Secondary breakdowns
D-line porous to run much of game
Am I leaving anything out?
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
Yep.
Too many ISU 3rd down conversions…for a variety of reasons.
by Dunkdropsa2 on Sep 10, 2011 3:38 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Passion has nothing to do with it.
The defense was fucking exhausted. It’s hard to play with passion after 4 hours of chasing a ghost.
by The Mexican't on Sep 10, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Goddam...
This …
It’s hard to play with passion after 4 hours of chasing a ghost.
Is so true it’s zen.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 10, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
Our defensive depth is limited. We need an offense to sustain a drive or two per quarter to keep the D from getting really tired.
Thankfully, I still think our O can do it. But we will need some adjustments (more effective running, TEs/WRs that don’t play hot potato with the freaking football.)
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Whatever.
The Hawkeyes looked plenty excited to score in the first OT. It’s fucking stupid to claim that they didn’t want to win that game. They were outplayed. Heart has nothing to do with this loss.
by The Mexican't on Sep 10, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I concur.
It’s just an easy coach excuse. “Well, the players didn’t try as hard today as they usually do. Not much I can do about that.”
meh
That's a crock of shit...
This is going to come off more dickish then meant but I used to compete in a professional sport and there is a huge difference between thinking you can and knowing you can.
They played like they were stepford kids. No emotion and just do it by the numbers… regardless of results.
Let’s at least hope this is 2002 part duex and we win out. At least this time we can’t lose to USC in a bowl game…
No, it's not.
And there is a difference between your “thinking you can” theory and your emotion theory. I won state in wrestling, and I didn’t show any emotion until I won state. But I won the last 20 matches my senior year because I “knew” I could. In the first tournament of that run, I beat the 2nd and 3rd ranked wrestlers pretty handily (after they had each beat the week before), and from that point, I knew I trained harder and had better coaches than anyone else I was going to face. I didn’t need to scream and yell it and jump around like a loon to know that or to play to the best of my ability.
You do realize, people are different, right? Not everybody does things the same way you do, even if you “know” it’s the best way to do it.
meh
You're not getting my point, and it's not a theory
There is a difference between thinking you can and knowing you can; your experience shows that.
They displayed neither. They went by the numbers Stepford style and fell short…
I actually think you didn't understand me.
I agreed, and as you did notice, pointed out that I think there is a lot of value in “knowing” you’re the best (I think your “thinking you can” and “knowing you can” is sort of a crap sports cliche and there is no difference in those phrases, I think you should say “thinking you can” and “knowing you will”… but that’s just semantics)
What I pointed out and I think you missed, is that I didn’t need to jump around and show the emotion that you seem convinced is a pre-requisite for playing your best. There are people who are extremely confident in themselves but just aren’t vocal about it. You seem to think they don’t exist. I disagree with that.
meh
Maybe it is semantics
I don’t think the players need to jump around and high five or anything like that. But I think I can tell the difference between execution by the numbers and playing with everything you have.
And just an aside… I used to ride bulls. And it isn’t a cliche of thinking versus knowing. I didn’t ride a single bull until I knew I could. I’ll argue that point forever. I know it because I lived it.
Well, about the semantics...
…I’m just saying that there is literally no difference between the two. There’s a difference between believing you can do something and knowing you will do something.
If you know you can do something, and not that you will, then you’re admitting that maybe you can’t.
I’m just saying the real distinction is between whether you think you can do something and thinking you will do something. I’m not saying that it doesn’t exist.
If you
That’s why I think the saying should be “thinking you can do something” (i.e. confident but not 100% sure) and “thinking you will do something”. Saying you know something about the future will happen is patently false. And knowing you can do something is admitting you’re not really sure if you will this time, although you have before. Thinking you will do something is believing with 100% that you will achieve your goal while being semantically correct. You have no doubt in your mind about your abilities, but it’s technicaly allowing for the possibility that you don’t really know the future.
Anyway, it’s a stupid argument on my part. I’m sorry for making it. I agree with your theory that there is a difference between mostly confident in yourself and completely confident. My point was more that you don’t need to outwardly show that confidence in theatrics, which is the point you seemed to be making.
I’ve always been a more cerebral athlete than athletic one. I felt that if I let my emotions get in the way, I might miss something, which I couldn’t afford because I didn’t have the athletic ability to make up for it. And I wouldn’t even look serious and focused; I often joke around with my opponents in rugby. Making fun of myself while at the same time talking shit (“You guys know I haven’t even played rugby for a year, right? Is that why you’re letting push you over in the scrums, you’re just being nice? Because I really shouldn’t be beating you as bad as I am.”) If you saw me you would either say that I wasn’t focused or just going by the numbers. But when you saw me junk a 200-lbr (I weighed 300) and then running over 3 or 4 guys on a 15-20 yard try, you’d probably have to question that assumption.
meh
I'll let it go but assumptions are being made by both of us
I don’t care if a player shows exuberance, in fact I don’t like it. Like Metcalf, I don’t want them to think it’s a big deal. But I do feel that I can tell the difference between by the numbers and letting it all hang out. In fact I don’t think it’s difficult to tell. And as far as I’m concerned we might have well been watching the Iowa-Minnesota game 2010 today…
Eh, if they were faster, bigger and more athletic and executed...
…you would have thought they played a lot more excitedly. You’re always going to look slower or more hesitant if you don’t know where you’re supposed to be or what you’re supposed to do. Doesn’t mean you’re not trying as hard as you can.
As far as you being able to tell the difference, I’m glad you think that, but I just don’t buy it. Especially across a 53 man team. I just didn’t see anything on the field or on the sideline that told me there was no way these guys weren’t into the game and wanting to win it.
meh
I don't think Iowa coaches say that, ever.
At least not in a “blame it on the players” fashion.
They do sometimes talk about execution (or lack thereof), and they’re not wrong, usually.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I do agree with that.
Granted, I don’t read or listen/watch many of Ferentz’s press conferences. But he’s too classy (and bland) to throw his own players under the bus, and he konws all blame ultimately rests on his shoulders.
It was more of a general statement; made from experiencing the Bulls’ head coaches before Thibadeau. My fault for not clarifying that.
meh
Speaking of former Bulls coaches.
They put Tim Floyd in the Cyclone ring of honor or hall of fame or whatever when I was at the UNI v ISU game last weekend.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Were they tired getting off the bus?
It must be hard to get up from a team meeting and go play then.
Every. Fucking. Year, we come up flat against these fuckers.
I like turtles.
Actually, this is false.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 11, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Note to Coach Frentz
You will not win many games this year playing the exact same conservative ball with the level of talent you have on the field.
by IAinCA on Sep 10, 2011 5:48 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Running QBs
It’s a good thing we don’t see another one for the rest of the season.
Tirrell Rennie
Though you’re obviously being facetious take some solace in the schedule that gives you one fewer mobile QB to face this year: 0-2 in state would have been unpleasant.
As a UNI fan,
I don’t love Rennie. Partly because I like smash-mouth football, and partly because I’m still not certain how great Rennie’s arm is.
But, maybe the escapability does help tire out the opposing D substantially. And that’s probably more helpful in the FCS, where there is less quality depth.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
And yet,
Iowa had size/strength advantages over UNI everywhere, and possibly speed advantages at many positions. I think Iowa would handle UNI. ISU didn’t really try to run the ball that much against UNI, which may have been a mistake (part of beating UNI is keeping the ball away from them).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Do I watch the Twins for a second depressing loss
Or do I watch the Gophers for schadenfreude purposes?
Cheering for inconsistent, undisciplined teams [Twins, Wild, Packers, Hawkeyes] since 1989. "False Hope is better than No Hope"
At a HS football game last night,
I talked with 3 or 4 people about how bad the Twins are.
And yet, they could very well bounce back next year. Grin and bear it.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Iowa and BHGP are cool, but you inflict much of this misery on yourselves.
Pieces like “Are You There, Cyclone Fan?”, while brilliant and hilarious to everybody, have a heavy karmic price when you lose. Anyway, a pretty well-played triple overtime game is not the worst way to lose.I hope y’all feel better soon.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
Follow @semicorrect
No, No, No
BHGP did not lose…Iowa did. BHGP is always a winner. Always.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Sep 10, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
BHGP never loses. NEVER
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Sep 10, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Win or lose, what was said by JEBUSH....
…..remains insightful and apropos. In fact, it’s even BETTER when we lose.
Karma my ass. Was it karma that kept Ferentz from trying to end the game on two separate occasions?
No.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Sep 10, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
WHY HAS HE FORSAKEN US?
"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Sep 10, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Karmic payback is what Ohio State deserves for trying to get an unfair advantage over their rule following opponents
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Sep 10, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
This offseason really, really, really sucked.
As for on the field karma, it remains to be seen. All programs have their own malevolent deities, but some (Angry Iowa Running Back Hating God) are more active than others (Angry Ohio State Secondary Hating God).
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Follow @semicorrect
rec'd
Absolutely right, Stoops.
Every major football team has a blog or some fans who make jokes.
If karma is really involved, then ISU should expect a sub-.500 record for the Eddie Podolak frogger bullshit.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
If blogger assholeishness
led teams to lose, then Wide Right & Natty Light would cause ISU to go winless all season long, every year
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
No, no, no!
Don’t you know that ISU fans are only of the highest quality! It is the Iowa fans that are assholes!
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
have a heavy karmic price when you lose
I don’t think that’s how karma works, but you might be half right on it.
"Let me finish or I will hammerpunch your clavicle." -Steve Youngblood
by SomeJerkPoster on Sep 10, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuck make-believe Karma.
Obviously, what went on on this blog had absolutely nothing to do with the loss.
meh
No duh.
Karma, schadenfreude, misery, “cold pricklies”, whatever you want to call it. When you mock somebody and lose to them it feels worse.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
Follow @semicorrect
You come in here to troll us after a loss?
GTFO. And go fucking do something with your life.
"Don't talk about me like I'm not here!" Shelby
That wasn't my intent, but I understand why you think that.
Since BHGP regulars don’t appreciate my sentiment, I’ll stop. I hope everyone here feels better after they lick their wounds, and that’s the last I have to say on this.
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Where was Bernstine?
Injured? Didn’t see him all day. He should be on the field instead of Castillo.
And why in the sweet hell did it take so long to get the ball to McNutt and Davis? They both had huge height advantages.
by Dunkdropsa2 on Sep 10, 2011 3:42 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
Strep for Bernstine
Cheering for inconsistent, undisciplined teams [Twins, Wild, Packers, Hawkeyes] since 1989. "False Hope is better than No Hope"
Let's hope his minutes come from Castillo in the weeks to come.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
KOK calls plays like he is playing Battleship
i.e. with little knowledge of where the opponent has deployed his pieces. Ken, it’s okay to look in this game! It’s not cheating!
Well, that's it.
We’ll never win a game ever again.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 10, 2011 3:48 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 4 recs
we'll beat Indiana and
ULM, but everything else is a total wild card. I did not feel that way before today. I felt that we would be better against the spread with faster LBs and a rotating rush of lighter guys. But, now I see a defense that is philosophically in a rut that goes back to the Arizona game. We have a fighting chance against the immobile QBs in the spread (guys like Foles and Gabbert) and have far less chance against mobile QBs. I am left to wonder how we beat Michigan and then I realize their defense was fucking awful and thus it obfuscated just how big our problems are in this regard.
Last year was arguably the most high level talent in the history of Iowa. That is not the case this year. So, yeah, I think some people are bracing for a really mediocre season.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
You're right about a lot of that.
But here’s the thing I haven’t really heard said…
It’s clear that not only did we and the team overlook ISU, but we underrated them too. Jantz was a world beater today, and his whole team played like their lives depends on it. Iowa played tentatively and tense. But I think it’s clear to everyone which team is actually better. I’m not willing to close the book on what this season is gonna be like, and nobody else should either. If anything, those who overrated this Hawks team are the ones left licking their wounds. This is a transitional year, no doubt about it, but losing the Cy-Hawk game, which is a wildcars no matter the year or teams involved, shouldn’t sound the death knell for anyone.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 10, 2011 4:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
Yes, WE underrated them
but in football you play so rarely (once a week and not even ever week with the bye) it seems inconceivable to me that a team would not be focused and jacked up to play an instate rival against guys you played in high school, etc. So, I hope you are wrong. Because if you are not, then the coaching staff should be ashamed.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
The coaching staff should be ashamed anyway...
But I’m not about beating a dead horse.
I think another positive thong that can be gleaned from this is that we (well…at least the offense) didn’t lay down and die when the momentum had swung fully in ISU’s favor. They fought into 3OTs and showed the most life at the most crucial times.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 10, 2011 4:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The offense
did a HELLVA job in the OT…they executed well when needed, minus the drop by Davis.
by FlyingDutchman1 on Sep 10, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm totally cool with the players
I think we have playmakers. Fewer on defense than I had thought, but enough.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Sep 10, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope we have enough on D,
but I’m not sure. If Daniels, Binns, and Hyde have regressed, we could be rather fucked.
Prater looked good today. Kirksey did at times, too. I didn’t really notice Morris outside of a play or two, but he’s young and still learning.
A friend of mine and I are a bit concerned that Nielsen may not be enough to be a starting LB.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
He was hurt today
I never heard anything, but he was hopping around like something was hurting after about the 3rd play. Also saw him limping multiple times the rest of the game.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
*thing
Damn
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 10, 2011 4:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Mindset, mindset, mindset
If you have to pick a fight in a rough neighborhood (as Iowa did today), you do not tiptoe in (as Iowa did today). You aim for the mouth and keep swinging.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 10, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
We don’t need to go full-Bielema, but we do need to get ahead of any BCS team by 14 or 21 whenever possible. So many teams can now rattle off points when they absolutely have to.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps
But as we (and I believe even you specifically) have noted – these are 18-22 year old kids. While it’s easy to say they should be jacked for every game, the simple fact is they may well have looked at this game and seen a mediocrely (yep, just made that word up) talented team that squeaked out a win over UNI last week. Add in the Greenwood event, and their heads may not have been completely there.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I think the players played well enough to win
the coaching was not up to par…young guys feed of coaching. Big time.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Our D played downright bad at times.
It will need to improve, and it isn’t just coaching.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
As I said somewhere else, you need to stop making excuses for the coaches.
Ferentz is, for one, the 7th highest paid coach in the country (that’s basically irrelevant, but it’s fun to bring up considering Iowa is NOT a Top 7 program – probably more like Top 30).
Second, the coaches are in charge which players to bring into the university, they are in charge of coaching the players., they are in charge of deciding who plays and how much.
If the players aren’t trying hard enough, it’s the coach’s fault for either not getting them pumped up or recruiting players who don’t get pumped up.)
If the players aren’t executing, it’s the coach’s fault for not coaching them correctly or for recruiting players that can’t learn. Everything comes down to the coaches.
meh
oh come on. sometimes players don't execute.
the coaches get paid to take most of the blame, but you can’t blame everything on them, which is what you appear to be doing.
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
the play calling in the second quarter was abysmal
they played 9 in the box and we….ran anyway. VDB lost his confidence in that quarter and we let them back in the game.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Why can't you?
They literally pick the players. Yes, it’s the players’ fault for not doing things correctly, but it’s also the coaches’ faults for not getting players that execute or for not teaching them well enough.f how does the blame NOT ultimately land on the coaches?
meh
Yes. They literally pick the players.
Because it is one big snake draft and we have equal talent to everyone else.
And, of course, once you coach a player to do something, they always do it correctly, so the coaches are just lazy.
/Super-sarcasm’d
Yeah, today’s loss sucked, and the coaches deserve some of the blame. But some of these players are young and not as talented as some guys from last year. They will learn, they will get better. The coaches will coach.
The coaches do probably need to make more adjustments. But it isn’t some big game of Madden where you can predictably win 35 to 21 everytime.
And what kind of ticks me off is that Tyger has played college football. I shouldn’t have to be typing all of this, as he has seen it from a much closer vantage than me.
Iowa will get better. How fast? I don’t know. Coaches will not be fired, in all likelihood. We will lose to ISU again someday. The world will turn.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think you missed the point.
From following the recruiting the past 10 months or so, it seems pretty obvious that the coaches will recruit guys who work hard and have dedication over someone who might have a higher potential for talent because they’re unsure of their work ethic. When they miss on the guys who don’t work as hard, then they’re left with someone not as athletic either.
Why don’t they have replacements that aren’t young? Or who don’t have as much experience? Why didn’t Daniel (or Daniels) or Alvis or any of those guys play more last year? Experience is the best learning tool, and they might not have been “ready” last year, but then again, that’s on the coaches, too. Why are Wisconsin and Nebraska able to recruit guys that can step in and be one of the most dynamic players in the country? What advantage over Iowa do they have? Besides, when you’re a coaching staff that requires your players to develop before they can contribute, you better not ever have a full retool like they did this year.
Your comment about the snake draft is stupid. There are literally thousands of kids who play high school and prep football that Iowa can choose their ~22 per class from. Sure schools have the advantage over certain kids in location, and others have an advantage in academics or facilities. Bielema has won more games in his first five years (49) than Ferentz has one in even his best 5 year stretch (44; 01-05). I have no desire (nor reason) to believe that Wisconsin has some inherent advantage over Iowa.
meh
I may have missed the point.
But I also haven’t made the same conclusions you have about Hawkeye recruiting.
And, I don’t think it is such a bad thing to want younger players to develop before we put them in pressure situations against ISU or the Big Ten. Those games are a whole ‘nother level from high school ball. Also, I think most recruits need that year in the weight room so they don’t get injured in their first 3 games (see Mikhail McCall).
I feel like college football success wasn’t as cut-and-dried as you made it out to be when you were talking about coaches picking the players and not teaching them well enough. It is possible that this is just my opinion, but I can perceive our recruiting limitations and a possible trend that many kids this age are too over-confident and don’t follow instructions particularly well (I’ve gathered this from education, not from sports. But I think it applies to both).
Therefore, while KF and assistants deserve some criticism and need to make some adjustments, I’m finding it difficult to get too pissed at them when some kid from a California JC comes in and takes over a game against a defense that is in its second game together with plenty of young players and a couple injuries (Bernstine, Lowery).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the players played well enough to be in it
but it’s the coaches that needed to push them over the top with adjustments/wrinkles in play-calling. It didn’t happen.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 11, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Finally, a rational statement.
"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Sep 10, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Love you.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 10, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't the definition of insanity...
Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Kirk just saw ISU score on our defense just 3 times prior to the 3rd OT. Yet he goes for the FG. I thought that was a terrible call
"Conan, what is best in life?" "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women"
by Natty Bumppo's Murderous Gaze on Sep 10, 2011 3:49 PM CDT reply actions
Well... they are good for the first 3.5 seconds...
The defense seemed to not play to the whistle. Many broken tackles in the first half and too many 3rd and long conversions in the second half/OT due to ISU just keeping plays alive.
Yes
On the tying TD pass in regulation Daniels had his arms around him and let him go on the jump pass because he thought he threw the ball and did not want to get a late hit penalty. Sucks
by clay-born to party on Sep 10, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
In the post game pressers
Anyone ask any tough questions? Mas Casa, perhaps?
by George Washington Eagleclaw on Sep 10, 2011 3:56 PM CDT reply actions
So,
why did we play 3 D-linemen last year against Austin Arnot in the second half when we were ahead, but not today against an equally running QB while we were down or tied? To Kirk/Norm: QB’s are beating our D-line on the ground. Please do something different.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Sep 10, 2011 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I rec'd this,
but we don’t have a ton of good LBs. And Castillo kind of sucks.
We probably needed to rotate the DLs more. Or maybe play a fast one at OLB once in a great while.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Good game guys
And best of luck for the rest of the year. Hopefully you guys get your starting qb back soon.
For as much as Kirk Ferentz has done for this program (and he has done a lot)
He was a coward today. Playing scared. 77 seconds and 2 timeouts to win the game? Put the motherfucking game in the hands of your motherfucking offense. If any of you are fans of hindsight, we scored twice in overtime. That’s 50 yards. Puts us in field goal range. Cowardly coaching today. When the game is on the line, it should be expected that KF will assume the fetal position.
by bornofclay on Sep 10, 2011 4:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
huh? you're saying that because we scored in overtime, you could add that up and it means we could've scored in regulation?
I don’t think that’s how it works
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
No, just merely recognizing our offense was more or less hot.
And we had no problem putting the ball in the endzone twice….AFTER regulation. With 1:17 and two timeouts to go, I believe our offense could have made a drive to win it with a field goal.
What I’m really saying is that’s two times now that KF has lost the game for us by taking our offense out of the game. Ohio St. was understandable as Vandenberg was very green. But come on, he’s a redshirt junior, he was making throws as the game went on.
i disagree. being "hot" in overtime is completely different than in regulation.
the game planning isn’t at all the same. the defenses are different. the whole thing is not comparable. i don’t buy that you can claim a loss because we might have gone 45 yards and made a 50 yard field goal
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
They DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING TRY
to get in fg range. DIDN’T EVEN TRY.
That’s what pisses a lot of us off
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
by Flakbait on Sep 10, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have to stick with what works.
Just like last year against Ohio Sta…. darn.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Sep 10, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
This x's 10000000000000000000000
All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Sep 11, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah i didn't mean to make it sound like i was comparing the two....
All I mean is our offense showed enough during regulation and in OT to try for a field goal on that last drive instead of kneeling it. Try a couple safe pass plays, use our timeouts and see where we’re at. Sitting on the ball? That’s shitty coaching.
by bornofclay on Sep 10, 2011 6:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure about that
the question is will he be defended like that again?
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Wait til he plays the shit defenses in the B12
by GaryDolphinSafeTuna on Sep 10, 2011 4:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
They'll be just like our "defense"
except better.
by ThunderHawk13 on Sep 10, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Norm's 4th Quarter Defense
is a thing of beauty.
If you’re the opposing offense.
Absolutely Fucking Worthless.
Why not go for the FG..
Simple… JVB was having an off game. Why risk throwing a INT when you’re at your 20 and set them up for a FG. That’s what Ferentz was thinking..
by FlyingDutchman1 on Sep 10, 2011 4:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You know
I’d love to see that happen a few times…to lose a game while trying to win…to convince me that we should stick to our conservative play calling in such situations (or in general). Because right now, between us losing those types of games anyway, and us performing late game heroics from time to time… I think myself and many other Hawk fans would like to see more fire in tight situations.
Would people be mad and yell “WHY WEREN’T WE MORE CONSERVATIVE?!” Probably. But still. I’d love to see us play to win, rather than “play not to lose”.
by blkngld12 on Sep 10, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ferentz
has always been the “play the statistics guy”. Let’s be honest here…the odds in the under 1:30 minute situations to move 60-70 yards into FG position are pretty poor at best.
Especially when your QB hasn’t had the best day and QB protection at time was iffy. I can totally understand why KF didnt want to push the issue and chance it into OT.
OT is a 50/50 proposition…you either score or you don’t….
by FlyingDutchman1 on Sep 10, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
45 yards
Gets you a shot from 52. Meyer hit from 51 earlier. 77 seconds with two timeouts, at any level including my high school JV team, that’s enough time to get that far.
by George Washington Eagleclaw on Sep 10, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Again..
Ferentz will be the first to tell you that the odds are against you in that kind of situation. You’re more likely to throw an INT, have a fumble, etc..then you are to make your way down field for a go ahead FG. Especially when you have a QB who wasn’t performing up to speed and a OLine who’s protections weren’t sharp.
by FlyingDutchman1 on Sep 10, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
But the odds aren't stacked against you.
Teams almost universally will play a prevent in those situations, and Iowa had only turned the ball over once all day, early. It simply isn’t ‘more likely’ to have a disaster.
How often do you watch a game that at LEAST gives teams a shot at the Hail Mary or a long figgie? Happens all the time because in those situations the defense will be playing to not lose — giving up the underneath, rushing 3, allow the offense to get some yards but keeping everything in front of them.
The rest of the game was a poor performance by a number of players, and no, Iowa really didn’t deserve to win today, but to not even try, in that specific instance, was pretty horrific to watch.
by George Washington Eagleclaw on Sep 10, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe the coaches are still traumatized by the series
we ran at the end of the Arizona game. I know I still am.
by Brock Sampson on Sep 10, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Show me your statistics for your claims because I'd like to believe it.
I think you’re just making that up. Besides, just throwing an INT or fumbling is not bad with that much time let. The other team still has to score. So, show me your statistics that show that when you have the ball, under 20 minutes, and you’re attempting to score, that the other team is more likely to score than you do. (hint, you won’t find it)
meh
And even if you do throw an INT or fumble,
at least you were playing to win. If we’re going to lose, I’d be a much more satisfied fan if I felt like they lost because they tried to win.
My freshman year of HS our team was in the state championship game and did the same thing basically. They kicked an extra point to tie it up instead of going for two (which they had successfully done almost all year because we didn’t have a good kicker). We lost in double or triple OT later, and everyone was pissed that they didn’t just end it when they could have. I felt the exact same way today.
This
A million times this.
The real problem I had (and have had) is that playing for OT is fine, if you think you’re going to win. But NO ONE watching that game believed Iowa would be benefited by OT. If we try to win and fail that is 100 times better than never trying at all.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
And like I said...
…to actually be worried about it and your worry being legitimate, you have to show where teams that try at the end of halves and games, the other team scores at a higher percentage than your team. Because even if you only score (FG or TD) 1 in 10 times you’re 80 yards away with 90 seconds left, if the defense scores 1 in 30 times, it’s still worth it in the long run. It doesn’t matter whether you score. Whether the other team gets an INT or fumble, or you run out of downs. None of that hurts you if the other team doesn’t score.
And you can compare that to how often teams win or lose when playing for OT or being safe at the end of the 1st half. But that would take too much work for us. But it shouldn’t be too much working for tens of millions of dollars in operating costs football teams.
meh
When your D resembles
a pile of shit…you gotta go for the win.
by ThunderHawk13 on Sep 10, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty much the statement of the day
You can’t trust this defense to win you games……they just don’t have the ability to close.
" I don't wanna sit around watching you 'give it your best.' Either stop sucking or get the fuck out of the way.."...SMDS
by J.R. Angle has a posse on Sep 10, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
So
he doesn’t trust the team enough to even try. Once.
And that may make sense when the defense is good and has shown they can stop the opposing team from scoring. But they haven’t. Not last year, and apparently, probably not this year.
By the way
I am not arguing against you FD1, that Kirk is playing the odds. Just that when it clearly isn’t working, perhaps you need to factor that into the whole “odds that we throw a pick”. You know “odds that the defense gives up a late score to tie/lose the game? 100%”
Sigh
What you said, in entirety. Everyone and their mother knew the defense was out of gas and barring another bad snap or Jantz suddenly getting Stanzi-itis, wasn’t going to stop ISU.
by George Washington Eagleclaw on Sep 10, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone who was watching ISU's offense dominate Iowa's defense in the 4th quarter
and thought we were “a 50/50 proposition” was watching a different game than I was.
by The Final Gun on Sep 10, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
And other than TOs, ISU beat us in overall yardage and I think nearly everything else today
We lost because the other team MOVED THE FUCKING BALL ON US, and we didn’t move it more than them. Its that simple.
We score again after 10-0 – make it 17-0 – ISU loses.
"u r awesome" ~ my daughter
by The Bird Cult on Sep 10, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
you make it sound like we didn't want to score again after 10 points
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
That's really just completely wrong.
Your odds of scoring are higher than the odds of the other team scoring when you have the ball. Even if i’ts 1 out of ten times that you score and 1 out of 20 times the defense picks you off and scores, it’s worth it to at least try.Old-school thinking is the conservative way. Statistically-based evidence has you going for it much,much more offense.
meh
If it's any consolation,
it looks like Goldy is being Goldy after looking somewhat competent last week, losing at home to NM St.
"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Sep 10, 2011 4:20 PM CDT reply actions
i rather feared this year would be
one of those where the ball bounces the other way
the guys at work question me when i said i would feel lucky with 7-5
and its not all over,,
i have faith that the kids will play their heart out
and do the best they can do
and nothing beats a good surprise,,,
hope it comes a long
one last thought
its hard to be humble when you lose
and we just got beat,,
and i dont think anybody died
so Go Hawks
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
by OhioHawk on Sep 10, 2011 4:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And that's how you make
"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Sep 10, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, that link is quite NSFW.
"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Sep 10, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
This day sucks right now.
Penn State really appears even with Alabama, but two plays (Questionable spot and the fumble), and boom, our fanbase is angry too. Gah. Gah!
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
You guys played hard today
Hell of a D you guys have. Unfortunately the O just couldn’t do enough.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
An emerging trend is how these no huddle
spread teams are running, in many cases, 1-30 more offensive plays than we are running. The novice looks at time of possession, the expert looks at offensive play count. Today was 90-71 in favor of Iowa State. No defense can manage 90 plays.
I really hope KF goes back to the drawing board. Because the answer is not to run the ball more…and thus burn clock. That is an antiquated approach against these teams. The answer is to fight fire with fire. Play to a more offensive mindset.
And that KF would be happy to go into OT on the road, against a rival with a dynamic home crowd, and two timeouts under his belt and well over one minute remaining, and total mismatches on the outside is nothing short of H.S..
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Last June
Q: Last year 4th quarters were hard for you guys. I know you examine all of this in the off season…when you are down to a two minute drill on offense, what is the percentage of the time where they work? Is it 50/50?
Ferentz: It’s not 50/50. Historically it’s less than that. It’s closer to 25 than it is to 50. I am not minimizing that. One thing you want to do is to be careful about not oversimplifying the issues. Sometimes it’s two minute drill, sometimes its two minute defense, four minute…I would also say there have been a lot of games that are prominent in my mind that we will share with our team..a lot of times its what you do in the first half and you squander opportunities and you are not ready to go. Those last two minutes you think back to those first few series where you did a poor job and you would not have been in the tough situation late had you taken care of business early. I can think of two games right now. We spent a lot of time this out of season looking at that. Clearly we have to do better from every standpoint, coaching and playing.
From HawkeyeNation during Media Day.
Doesn’t seem like he went back to the drawing board over the summer, so why now. Maybe it’s just my frustration talking.
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Sep 10, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
In the NFL it would be a firable offense.
No wonder KF won’t make the jump.
by ThunderHawk13 on Sep 10, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Also
I would love to blame Ferentz for “not caring” about this game like ISU does, but, uh, I’m not sure Iowa is that good, so what’s the point? And I don’t know who to blame. This appears to be a slightly fragile, but talented team. Right now the coaches – especially KOK – don’t seem to be doing an especially good job.
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
This may be one of those Iowa teams that starts really slow
with a number of new faces in key positions, but ends the season winning its last 5-6 games. At least I hope so anyway.
This is a good read...the talk of Iowa flying under the radar and thus right where they want to be...is wishful thinking
if we play with teams that actually huddle we might be fine. Th rest will be a problem. KF needs to solve that riddle.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Iowa's probably going to win the division now.
Or….maybe not. But doesn’t this seem like a vintage Ferentz Iowa team: underachieving and yet overachieving?
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
This one, though, looked very familiar
in that it was another 4th quarter meltdown. They have only one playmaker and we could not stop him. And he’s about 1/3 what Denard Robinson is capable of.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Oh, you never know
Maybe we’ve underestimated Steele Jantz. Yeah.
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
by ReadingRambler on Sep 10, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
We certainly did
but I highly doubt he takes it to OU, OSU, TEXAS, blah, blah, blah. He ran around like Fran Tarkington on fire and we ran around after him like a bank security guard after a pizza lunch. It was comical at times.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I just can't believe how terrible it is that they actually lost to Iowa State today.
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
by ReadingRambler on Sep 10, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if you can blame...
the coaches here…
Let’s be honest…there was a lot to be desired left out on the field. For the 2nd straight game we got virtually NOTHING out of the TE game….the offensive line isn’t punching the holes they should be….
JVB was up and down all day…
You gotta execute…that’s what it boils down to…
by FlyingDutchman1 on Sep 10, 2011 4:29 PM CDT reply actions
Execution was great (seemingly)
on the first couple offensive drives, no? How did the players fall apart? Honest question. I couldn’t watch the game, and wasn’t able to access game threads/radio coverage for a while either.
the play calling in the 2nd quarter was
as if the first quarter never existed. Rhythm was broken and because of our obviously superior athletic ability we took the lead and set up yet another 4th quarter collapse.
It’s not a player issue to me. We have talent. Loads of it. We have a questionable approach to playing these sorts of teams. In fact, the color guy on the broadcast, who I thought was pretty insightful, commented on at least 7-10 occasions how Iowa never changes their defensive alignment (although late in the game Norm blitzed much more), and how Iowa’s offense would belligerently run even with 9 guys in the box.
It appeared to me that Vandenberg did not call many audibles in this game. Which, if true, would be stunning for a guy who’s in his 4th year in the system.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Actually
when I was able to hear the game on the radio, Vandy was “audibilizing” quite a bit, at least according to Dolph. Of course, those were our two early scoring drives…
I honestly did not see that...
I did see him pointing out blitzes but not changing plays.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Its called "Playing Down To Your Level of Competition"
Fry would have been throwing the fucking ball everywhere up 10-0. He would not have gone conservative. I think Kirk really does not “get it” vs. ISU. He does not take this game seriously. I don’t understand it at all.
OTOH, maybe this game will be like the ice cold bucket of water that wakes the coaches up. Because this loss was the coaches – and not the player’s – fault.
"u r awesome" ~ my daughter
by The Bird Cult on Sep 10, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
The coaches recruit, teach and develop the players.
If the players aren’t good enough, that’s still on the coaches. Don’t excuse them.
meh
Michigan
will fucking own us if Steele Pantz had his way.
Oh boy.
We got Steele Jantz'd today!
Its like being De-pants’d but worst…much worst
by IAinCA on Sep 10, 2011 6:32 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I can't find the words.
No words.
"I mean, are they going to poop their pants or are they going to get tough?" ~Tom Brands
It's kind of hard to believe
How much people are panicking here. This isn’t the first time that Iowa State has done this to us, and this kind of rival game happens on a regular basis throughout the nation. Maybe we should drop this “little brother” crap and embrace the fact that the state of Iowa had a pretty great football game today. I think I have a proper amount of hate for the Cyclones, but I don’t wish them to disappear into the Mountain West. Outside of when they play the Hawkeyes, I want them to succeed. It just may be that they have a good team this year. And it just may be that the Hawkeyes lost a thriller to that team. Rhodes is obviously a good coach who is going to win some of these games. Lighten up people, we’ll be back, the problems are fixable and there were a lot of good things that happened for the Hawkeyes. They will learn from this.
by Corncob Justice on Sep 10, 2011 4:34 PM CDT reply actions
I'm not panicked.
I’m just disappointed that the D played like it was Minnesota ’10 and there was NO passion and NO emotion. Who wanted it more? The answer is quite clear.
"I mean, are they going to poop their pants or are they going to get tough?" ~Tom Brands
what makes you think there was no passion or emotion?
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
waching the cock garcia
didnt we seriously kick his ass in an outback bowl?
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
We've kicked a lot of people's asses
Unfortunately, our ass-kickery has diminished a bit as of late. Not yet to have our own asses kicked…by much, but we’ll see.
Interesting (or depressing) tidbit
Apparently 44 points is the most any ISU team has ever scored against Iowa. At least, according to the crawl under the PSU game.
Well the current system of overtime
Hasn’t been around that long. In the context of the long history of college football.
But 44 points is depressing no matter how you cut it.
by Corncob Justice on Sep 10, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes. First 44 point game by ISU
Though, like Corncob notes, OT in this fashion hasn’t been around all that long. That said, I think it is the first OT game ever played (and I don’t think we’ve ever had a tie).
Also, Iowa hadn’t given up 44 points to a team since ASU in 2004.
Just a drunk guy's opinion but....
all the talk about Ferentz not going for it in regulation was no surprise. I don’t care what the stats are, you fucking go for it when you have the ball with 60 secs left! But I knew better. We love him, we hate him. It is what it is.
In OT we couldn’t stop an old lady in a wheel chair without spilling her chardonnay.
Enough hasn’t been said about how god awful Castillo was. He gave up at least 2 TDs WAY too easily. I longed for Sash today. If he was there, he woulda had 18 pics and Hyde woulda been playing CB where offCASTillo was at.
Sad day but we’re still undefeated in the B1G. GO HAWKS!
This is not such a drunk observation
We might see Hyde back at CB and take our chances with a new FS. He’s wasted there. In fact, had Bernstein been healthy, it might have happened at halftime today.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Castillo
is going to be picked on all season. Unless he’s on the sideline where he belongs.
by ThunderHawk13 on Sep 10, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
What is Lowery's status?
I remember quite a bit of chatter about him on here pre-season but then I heard he got hurt but never heard what it was.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Lowery's out with an injury for at least another 3 weeks
But I’m surprised we haven’t seen Torrey Campbell as he reportedly had a very good camp
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Im watching Georgia v. USC
And I feel the same way. Georgia is getting tons of time and has no business doing it.
Just a few thoughts
We knew going in that we don’t have a trustworthy tight end yet. But we had little or nothing else in the way of a checkoff option. Did we throw more than once or twice to Coker, for example?
This is tackle football. If you don’t tackle, you don’t win.
At some point we have to figure out how to beat Northwestern. That’s what we saw today. Jantz played a smart game and had or gave himself time to make easy throws with big yards after completion. A masterful coaching job by Rhoads and company.
For some reason, Coker needed time to wake up this game. Maybe he’ll stay up now.
Vandenberg can be fine, but still needs some work.
Callling a halfback pass in an overtime when you need every single down to count is not the same as trying to get in scoring position with 1:17 to go or going for it on 4th and 1 with a 6’8" QB and a defense which is being torched. If anything, the call was far more reckless and foolish. Fine, then, we wont call it conservative game management. Bad game management is more correct.
The only and most damning thing I can say about coach Ferentz, who I truly like and appreciate, is that somewhere, John Hayden Fry is shaking his head.
FOUR. THREE. COVER. TWO.
Well...
I have been issues a warning to stay away from the political talk, so I will. Not like ignoring the problems at hand will help anything, but I guess no one gives a fuck.
Yeah Amerika!! Land of flouridated freedumb!
I blame KOK for the loss and if I am wrong, I thought we had a freaking defense to help us out. I am sick to my stomach and although I love Ferentz, I say he splits the blame for our loss to a high-school team.
by Harrison Cougars on Sep 10, 2011 4:48 PM CDT reply actions
No one is saying you cannot be political
but this is not the venue. Just like talking about Hyde at safety vs. CB is not an appropriate topic at Daily Kos or Redstate.com (depending on your bent).
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Are you posting from Idaho or the UP of Michigan?
Either you’re going for a sublime, Kaufmanesque genius or you’re a sick fuck. Iowa lost a poorly executed, predictably coached game to Iowa State. Politics doesn’t factor. At all.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 10, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
My thoughts are so scrambled right now
So please, call me out if need be…
Teams like ISU and Northwestern run this kind of offense to maximize their snaps. It’s ragged, with flags and starts and stops, which for some reason I’ve yet to figure works in their favor.
These teams keep gunning for the big play. If they run 80 plays but get 5 to 10 “big plays” then they must figure they’ll be in the game at the end. They play the same on 1 and 10 as they do on 3 and 16. It’s almost like they pick plays using a magic 8-ball.
Am I wrong on this?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 10, 2011 4:54 PM CDT reply actions
I don't know about all that...
but I do know that KF better pull his head out of his ass when it comes to teams like this. Because you can bet that our opponents who play this offensive system have been studying how jNW manages to outplay and outcoach us on a yearly basis.
the
strategy of the spread offense is to open up multiple lanes for the running and passing game and to force the defense to spread itself across the field to cover everyone. The one player usually uncovered is the QB, which we saw first hand today.,
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I get all that
ISU just looked ragged, but they were never out of it. It hurts my brain when talent doesn’t win and looks outclassed. Northwestern will look ragged, then, bigplaybigplaybigplaytouchdown. That was ISU today.
Earlier this week (I think) I saw a stat that Iowa had the second most players from the Big 10 in NFL camps, trailing only Ohio State. How does a team that produces that much NFL talent lose to a sandlot team? That’s what ISU is, a sandlot offense. Steele Jantz and going to the pros, unless you mean CFL.
Sweet Baby Jebus, Nebraska is a spread team with actual talent. I have a headache…
I feel like I just watched my grandmas house blow up, with her in it.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 10, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Good coaching and bad coaching?
//All of this said under pain of extreme drunkeness and anger
First off, the results are there. We ARE a perrenial bowl program that contends with the Ohio States and Michigans every few years. Perhaps only Wisconsin has been around the discussion in the second tier of the B1G in the last 10 years.
Iowa’s staff gets these low star recruits and turns them into NFL caliber players by bringing in guys that have ‘character’ and are willing to work hard, and putting them through what has to be some of the best strength and conditioning and camp work in the country. Figure this is a testament to Kirk’s NFL experience and general coaching abilities? The staff (in general, don’t hop all over me saying the O-Line or whatever was bad today, they were, it’s one game in one season in four or five they’ll have in the program) knows how to squeeze every bit of talent out of its players, and turns them out ready for the next level by building them up in pro-style systems.
This same staff runs vanilla schemes that see very little adaptation and simply aren’t great in-game coaches at times. We have a “pro-style”, well-balanced offense, and run a 4-3 that looks in its base like a lot of NFL defenses. But that’s it. There’s no imagination there. Iowa will play its game. Assistants that you hear about being ‘offensive whizzes’ or ‘defensive geniuses’ need not apply. That said, Norm did a hell of a job preparing for the Capital One Bowl, and Iowa has more success playing three linebackers against the spread than it should thanks to a well-coached, well-disciplined unit.
Hell, we only had to do a Hail Mary in the Capital One Bowl (my favorite Hawk game of all time) because Kirk didn’t realize the clock was running after a penalty, and if you look at the tape, he’s clearly confused and looking at the scoreboard when the Hawks start running on the field. I hate to draw it back, but I, and my teammates, knew this rule in high school. He’s a hell of a coach, he is. The game management just leaves something to be desired.
by George Washington Eagleclaw on Sep 10, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure about that
I don’t think it was bigplaybigplay. I think it was smallplaysmallplay. Historically, our strength is playing a standard defense and assuming that college offenses can’t run 10-12 plays in a row without making a mistake. This assumption doesn’t work against teams like this. ISU had, what 4 drives of longer than 10 plays. If you can’t get the defense off the field, eventually, their the ones who are going to break down.
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Sep 10, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe this is why the spread
Isn’t played at the NFL level. Although my x’s & o’s knowledge is an embarrassing black hole & I really have no business in these discussions.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Sep 10, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, NFL teams are starting to employ more spread concepts
Especially in the situational aspects.
Green Bay/New Orleans was like a PAC 10 game.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 10, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Green Bay and New Orleans ran spread concepts ALL NIGHT LONG
but in college the QB is a running threat because they cannot throw as well as those two mother fuckers. But, Aaron Rodgers can run…
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
It's really a shame
That I don’t have anyone to explain all this stuff to me on a regular basis. My husband likes the NFL (but only because he has a fantasy team) & has zero interest in college football (I blame this on him going to a school without a football team). I read these threads & pick up some stuff but it’s not quite the same as having someone discussing it in person.
I’ll just sit quietly at your (the collective your) feet & continue to try to absorb the details.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Sep 10, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Go to amazon.com, find "Blood, Sweat & Chalk."
Easy read. At the end, you will know more than he does.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 10, 2011 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Strep
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 10, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate you all and everything and everybody and fuck you.
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Sep 10, 2011 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good lord
Not a good day for the Big Ten, is it? Sure, Wisco, Illinois and MSU cruised, and jNW is currently winning big…but PSU is down to Alabama, Minnesota is losing to New Mexico State, tOSU needed to comeback then hold off Toledo, and Purdue is losing to Rice. And we of course dropped the ball to ISU.
If the scores stand, that’s a current 5-4 record this weekend… >_>
Quit Whining
This time next year the Big 12 won’t have any wins.
If folks were expecting anything different then they're true Kool-Aid drinkers.
This was projected to be (and appears on course to be) a major rebuilding year for the league. Short of Wisconsin, Nebraska (who I’m still not sold on) and Northwestern, every team had major questions in terms of coaching or personnel changes heading into this season. This will be a non-vintage year for the conference.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 11, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
That was meant as a reply to the previous thread.
The jubilation makes my mouse finger twitchy.
This is potentially a worse loss going forward when you
factor in that ISU missed tow FGs, had more turnovers than us in FAR worse places (inside the 10). In reality, we could have lose this thing going away had ISU played cleanly.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
When mistakes are considered, it's obvious that Iowa State was simply better today.
ISU left no less than 9 points on the field in regulation.
That said, the players need to forget about and move on. It doesn’t matter anymore, the B1G title is always the goal, everything else is gravy. Obviously this team has a long way to go, but their focus must remain the same.
by The Mexican't on Sep 10, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what sickens me
They potentially left 20 points on the ground
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Sep 10, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
166.58
Jantz’s passing efficiency rating. The more you examine this game the more you wonder why we made it to OT. I think I should quit looking into the sun.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
My Only Question
Why not go for two in OT2? You know you’re going to be right back on the field with an extra point make, but with a 2-pt conversion you win the game or lose the game right there.
why go for it?
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
Distinguished mediocrity continues...
Iowa’s streak of not losing by more than a touchdown now stands at 41 games (going back to the final game of the 2007 season, a 28-19 loss to Western Michigan that kept the Hawks out of a bowl game). Kind of frustrating to think that we could have (should have?) won most if not all of the ones that got away, for the last 3 years. Seems to be a pattern here. Too bad we can’t find a coach who plays to win instead of just keeping it close, not to mention a defensive coordinator who can orchestrate a stop at the end of a game. No doubt, however, that the streak comes to an end this year…
by RiverCityHawkFan on Sep 10, 2011 5:36 PM CDT reply actions
People laugh at Les Miles
because he takes risks and when he loses he looks dumb. But, I think KF’s record in close games is among the worst out there. I’ll look it up.
It does beg the question…lose big but less often or lose close and have a chance more often? Well, we only won one of those close ones last year (Indiana) so perhaps it’s not a tough question.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
yes...that's right although had Iowa scored that final TD they win by double digits.
but you are correct. And one could argue Michigan was a close win (and should not have been).
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I looked it up a while back
and KF’s close game record is horrible. How you’d rank it by coaches I don’t know unless you have some crazy database. At any rate, I don’t recommend doing it unless you want to be in a crappy mood.
I know part of this is post game loss attitude, but I’m really getting ready for KF to retire.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
by Flakbait on Sep 10, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and if we get a coach that takes risks and we end up losing even more? no everyone can make that work
I’m just not ready to buy that rarely losing by more than one score is something we should want.
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
not want...
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
KF develops talent better than any coach in the college football
his in-game schemes are standard. We just need a better job out of his staff.
That we cannot cover kickoffs for the third year in a row with rotating personnel is a red flag on this staff. They need to step the fuck up. ISU can cover kickoffs. Do they save their superstars for kickoff coverage? I doubt it.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
No, KF is not the entire problem
he is stuck in a seismic shift in the world of football. I was too. Today was a tipping point. Watching NO vs. Green Bay on Thursday showed me that running the football is an antiquated notion. Joe Namath was on radio here on NYC and he said they could not pass that well in skeleton drills (no defense, just offense agains the air). Times change.
Norm and KF will have to figure out a way to retool their philosophy. Two year ago anyone less than a senior got torched by Iowa. Mistakes were inevitable. What has changed is the Cam Newton effect, the decent passer who can break teams down with his speed and athletic ability. The counter effect is a very athletic and deep defensive line. At least I think so.
But the truth is that Steele Jantz can probably throw thew ball as well as Joe Namath did in his prime. Times change.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
On the run, while being chased, for four hours
A Dan Marino might not make it through college these days.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 10, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder what a PeytonManning would do.
Ryan Mallet bounced around. Matt Ryan went to BC which is good but not great. Flacco went to Deleware St. Freeman can run around. Stanzi and Vandy are a lot more mobile than those other guys were.
Meh, looking at the recent draft history, I’moverstating this a bit. It does seem like there are few pocket-passing, non-moving QBs from the major college programs that are making animpact in the NFL. But I’m not ready to actually analyze that.
meh
Right now, for the NFL, you still have to be the passer first.
Because if you do too much running, you will die.
Big-time college football will see the same thing in a year or two or three. After Michigan goes through 3 QBs in a year, or after some hero like Tebow gets a concussion he can’t ignore after two weeks, you will see that mobile QBs are only as good as the other team’s sense of fairplay.
For instance, Jantz runs all over the place, because he knows that he probably won’t get hit hard much after he releases a pass or gets close to the sideline. Meanwhile, ISU guys will dive at our players at or just after the whistle, because they are at home with shitty refs, and they know KF can’t do anything about it, and they know it will make the other team hesitant after awhile. They tried to do some similar shit against UNI, but UNI was playing for today, not tomorrow.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 11, 2011 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I know KF isn't the entire problem
but as long as he is in charge, do you see any significant shift in coaching philosophy? I don’t. He does what he knows, and it worked pretty well for awhile, but even during the Orange Bowl year they had to pull victory out of their ass too many times to say it was really working. I think he’s a 7 maybe 8 win coach from here on out.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Ding.
I think that’s exactly what we’ve gotten. We’re looking at an above-average coach who’s never going to win the big ones any more with this style, and may continue to regress. No one’s trying to hire him for a better job, and I don’t think that’s accidental. Is this worth what Iowa is paying?
He was never a daring guy, though.
We all act like Hayden was Mike Leach with a Big Ten team. And we act like Ferentz has become some guy without a backbone. It’s not that easy.
Ferentz has installed a system for this team. He thinks it gives them the best chance most of the time. He recruits players for that system. He has won two conference titles and several bowl games with it. It’s not quite broken yet.
He’s not going to turn into the Tiller-Purdue-spread-O just because ISU puts two guys on McNutt. He’s not going to make Norm start playing a Steelers’ 3-4 just because Jantz has a nice game.
Winning in the Big Ten or against your rivals isn’t as easy as some of us commentors think it is. Just ask Rich Rodriguez. Just ask Senator Sweatervest.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 11, 2011 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it's also the modified 3-4.
Get a big nose tackle (310 or more for college football) and big Adrian Clayborn/Christian Ballard types DE’s – or basically what they play at DT now. Someone Carl Davis’s size. I don’t know who that could have been last year or this year, they’d have to recruit that. And the ends don’t have to be as good as Clayborn/Ballard, just as big as them. You put those guys up there and tell them to hold onto at least one lineman each, and if they can, two. then four linebackers that are really fast and sure tackle. You’re not as worried about size and block-shedding because for the most part, they shouldn’t be taking on linemen all the time. You’ll get your Morrises, Kirksey’s, Hitchenseseses to play linebacker. The backfield can remain the same as Iowa recruits them.
I know they won’t do it, and it’s certainly not the only way, but that’s what I would do.
meh
Classic Penn State fan reaction
So, in case you don’t know, Penn State and Alabama really don’t “look” that far apart, but basically every key play has gone against Penn State. In the most recent example, we gained about six yards on a nice reverse designed to try and keep Alabama on their toes even though they’re up by 17. And when Devon Smith fumbled at the end of that reverse, what do we the fans do? We blame the coaches for calling it in the first place.
You guys have a right to be angry. We really don’t. The players aren’t scared like last year, we haven’t been vastly outcoached (But don’t ask me about burning three timeouts on the opening drive), the quarterbacks are young but not awful, the defense is very, very good, the offensive line has done surprisingly well against an exceptional defensive front, etc, etc. We’re probably a good football team getting beaten by the best team we’ll see this year. So let’s beat ourselves up.
I hope you guys will forgive my posting this here, but I really need to vent somewhere and this is about the only place I’ve got.
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
All due respect RR
your offense looks inept. Keeping it close giving you pride is what I call now the Iowa Mirage. Sure, you’re not killed but in reality, PSU has scored 40-something points against Bama in the last six tries. I think you are miles from where Bama is and I think Iowa is probably a 6 win team this year. We’re so lacking in depth that the loss of Bernstein today might have cost us a win. Bernstein is a backup.
Reality sinks in eventually.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Stoops, you do realize we're playing against the best defense in the country, don't you?
Our offense does not look inept. It looks like a growing offense with tons of talent but lots of youth and it looks like all of that is playing against a defense with supposedly 8 NFL draftees or whatever.
Alabama is ahead of us, but I don’t see for one second how they’re a world away from us. Seriously, every single key play in this game has gone against us. People like to dismiss the fact that football really is, in a way, a game of inches.
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
by ReadingRambler on Sep 10, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually I screwed that up
If they do look inept, it’s because of who they’re playing against.
And, anyway, how many teams are we going to play with defenses even close to this? There is currently no team in the Big Ten close to Alabama.
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
by ReadingRambler on Sep 10, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
RR you said there was not much distance between you and Bama
and I disagreed. I don’t think I made a radical statement. If you were truly close, then playing them 5 times you would win 3 or 4 or more. I don’t see that. I see you winning maybe once. Maybe.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
If we play Alabama in Beaver Stadium, do you really expect me to believe we win once?
If that fake punt hadn’t gotten such a favorable spot, if Sczerba doesn’t fumble, if, if, if. This much is indisputable: Every single such play went Alabama’s way. That kind of thing doesn’t happen that often in football. What is up for debate is the meaning of that fact. I take it to mean Penn State would have been much closer in this game. Alabama’s the better team and I won’t deny that but this is not like last year. These two teams are very close.
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
by ReadingRambler on Sep 10, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry, if we play them in Beaver Stadium ten times
"I hope we're not looking past Alabama to Temple the next Saturday." - Jack Ham
by ReadingRambler on Sep 10, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...it did not look that way to me
I also am slowly coming to grips that Iowa was lucky to get into an OT.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
you are always welcome here rambler
and we are not alone in our sorrow
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
Was gonna buy (on StubHub) four tickets for next week....
Now? No. Can’t do it. Probably overreacting but I feel sick.
Didn't see the game
but Pitt only beat Maine 35-29 today. So they apparently have their own issues.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I'm going
I owe my 9 y/o a non-rainy Kinnick game & I’m already anxious to see what happens with our guys next week.
It’ll take more than &£#%¥ ISU to drive me away.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Sep 10, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree with the last sentence
as pissed off as I am about losing, and even moreso losing to ISU, I’m simply not going to take much away from the ISU game. I pretty much never do.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I really hate to make people relive through it,
but I had marching band practice between 1-5 CT so i missed the second half. All I could tell from the game was what I was getting from ESPN Alerts and then the pictures I got from my ISU-alum brother that stormed the field there. I don’t feel as bad, but maybe that’s because I didn’t watch it. This happened last year with the Wisconsin game. Basically, can someone retell how the second half went? For example, the momentum shifts, the amazing plays, etc.
There is no way that Paki rushes for nine yards. -KenOKeefeIfuckinghateyou.
It was northwestern, in red jerseys
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 10, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
IF...
You subtract the Heisman candidate QB and about 300 points off the average SAT score.
Was Jantz actually playing well or was Iowa's defense just lousy.
There is no way that Paki rushes for nine yards. -KenOKeefeIfuckinghateyou.
i would lean towards bad defense
but this will probably go down as the greatest game of his career
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
Don't let anyone fool you.
Jantz was fantastic today. Dodging backfield tackles and making all the right reads and smart throws.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 10, 2011 6:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought he was fanstastic and given last week
he’s not a fluke.
We thought VDB was an all word stud because we ALMOST beat an superior Ohio State team. But in reality, VDB is still building a resume. He’s beaten Minnesota and Tenn Tech. That’s it.
Steele Jantz has a perfect resume to start his big time football career. And he does not have Marvin McNutt or Coker.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Frankly, I've never thought JVDB was gonna be a huge stud.
But I’m just tooting my horn and sounding like a contrarian now. Today proved to me that he still has a long way to go, which is what you seem to think too.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 10, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he's got all the tools
just needs to work on consistency. He made some great, accurate throws In the 1st and 4th quarters and OT. Unfortunately, we left some plays out there in between.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
and smart throws.
Nothing against Jantz, he was good today, but it’s easy to look good when our secondary has decided that covering receivers is too much work.
"You start to get out of bed, you say, 'Oh, [expletive], I only got one leg on, I better get the other leg on.'" -- Norm Parker
It's more than we can say for Vandenburg.
He was missing throws to open guys like it was going out of style.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 10, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
offense was out of sync. defense either didn't get pressure or lost contain/coverage when they did
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
I'M ONLY GUESSING HERE
And yelling, but I think one of the major, MAJOR differences between KF and JH Fry is that KF truly believes in “moral victories” and JHF most fuckingly did not.
I have to ask myself: does KF think losing in OT is somehow preferable to losing in regulation? Does coming THIS CLOSE in every game since mid-2007 somehow count as some percentage of a win? (maybe 25%?) Could that thinking affect his judgment when it comes to playing things close to the vest, especially late in games? In playing not to lose?
I’m only guessing, but that pattern of losing by 7 or less, and not trying to win in regulation and going to OT might really mean something.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Sep 10, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
I'll just go ahead and rec that
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
KF truly believes in "moral victories"
I’ve been saying this for years. Kirk, and this is to his credit in a lot of ways, is not all about winning. Not even close. That he develops guys to play in the NFL gives him enormous pride I am betting. That he puts fannies in the seats. That he generates revenue for the athletic department. That his sons have grown through the program. One of his greatest traits is that he is ubber grounded.
I think he’s kind of Joe Pa west.
Today, Joe Pa said something revealing. He said after 9/11 he wondered if he shouldn’t be doing something different to better America (more or less) and decided in the end that being a good coach was the best he could do.
Being a good coach is different than being a winning coach.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Sep 10, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i believe that there is a lot of truth in that analysis
its like my daughter, who is so wrapped up in her sons teams
that she cheers at the wrong time and at the wrong thing
so zealous that the big picutre doesn’t exist
the British don’t applaud a bogey
Kirk just doesnt make a lot of double bogey’s
and when he makes a birdie
it is applause enough
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
KF is an excellent coach
I believe that. He truly believes (I think) that it is his job to mold men, to make them better players and people.
But I also think that he believes football is just a game. Unfortunately, it’s not, it’s a business. And I think you’re absolutely correct that it’s not all about winning. As a person, I think he has the right idea. As a fan, coming off of this sort of loss, it frustrates the hell out of me.
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Sep 10, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I will gladly Rec this....
It all fits with his Grand Experiment philosophy.
by Ordinary Joe on Sep 10, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolute truth
<KF truly believes in moral victories & JHF most fuckingly did not>
Hayden would tell you exactly what to do with your namby-pamby moral victory.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Sep 10, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fry was a gambler and a Marine
he LOVED to win.
Kirk doesn’t get off on winning like Fry did. Fry looked giddy after a win. Against anyone. Kirk looks relieved.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Fry would beat you by 50
And after would walk across the field, smile, shake your hand, and say “great game.”
If he was angry, he would be tempted to tell you the play he was running before the snap.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 10, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
famous moment
Iowa beat the crap out of Gary Barnett’s Northwestern team in the early 1990s and even kicked and converted an onside kick along the way. During the post-game handshake, Iowa coach Hayden Fry told Barnett: "I hope we didn’t hurt any of your boys."
He was all Texan.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I just smiled for the first time since about 11:30 this morning.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 10, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
This Is EXACTLY why my jNW friends hate us
One of them took me aside a few years ago & told me that story. I just shrugged & said ’that’s Hayden’.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Sep 10, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
The Chicago Tribune made a big deal of that exchange
the week leading up to the Iowa/NU game back in ’95. The piece itself was part hatchet-job on a legend and part propaganda piece for the “beloved” Barnett. History has shown us the true character of each man.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 11, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent point.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 11, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I had just graduated & moved to KC at that time
So I totally missed all that coverage. Interesting.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Sep 11, 2011 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a phenomenal observation
and I think it also speaks to his fondness of guys that work hard and earn respect in practice (like walk-ons).
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 10, 2011 6:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
& I like that, too
We really need a Fry/Ferentz hybrid.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Sep 10, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm all for Brian coming back when Dad's done.
Because we all know Foxoboro’s Machiavelli has at least rubbed off on him a little.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 10, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Jesus!
Some of us thought DJK was treated poorly.
With Belichick, dudes just disappear.
Kidding! Kind of.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 10, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah. We should win at all costs. Like Ohio State, Miami FL, Auburn, Oregon, and USC.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 11, 2011 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
you know what i like bout you?
No gray area
by GreatBarrierReiff on Sep 11, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Gray is just a shade of white
too afraid to commit.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
That is a funny line.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 12, 2011 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I tend to get that way when I perceive needless hand-wringing.
In everyday life, I am more understanding. Maybe not understanding “enough”, but definitely moreso.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 12, 2011 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you know what happens when you don't go for the win?
You don’t win.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Sep 10, 2011 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm not nearly as bent out of shape about this as most
because that was a single moment that summarized an entire game. Iowa hadn’t been “going for the win” since the end of the first quarter. That it carried over to the end of the game doesn’t phase me as much as the end of OSU in ‘99, a game that they’d given their all to be in and could reap the rewards from if only backed by a little courage from their coach. The coaching staff treated the 2nd & 3rd quarters like an opportunity to work on things instead of actually trying to win. The end shouldn’t have come as a surprise to anyone watching.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 11, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Jerry Kill just collapsed on the sideline
anybody else on this MN game?
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
What?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"George Teague doesn't give a shit what down it is. He gets the ball, or he dies." ~ Spencer Hall
by Blackheartnopants on Sep 10, 2011 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
20 seconds left and MN trying to drive to tie
he just collapsed. maybe a seizure.
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
I saw it.
Looks like a bad seizure.
The game has stopped with 20 seconds left, and they appear to be using ice to bring/keep his body temp down.
This could be real bad. He wasn’t hit by a player. After he collapsed, his limbs were moving wildly.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
shit...this heat thing is a problem
a kid died on the turf this past week too (high school)
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Well despite how shitty i've felt since the end of the game
This really puts things into perspective
Yeah.
I haven’t been on BHGP since before the Iowa game. Any update on Brett Greenwood?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Haven't heard anything other than stable condition
And maybe I just wasn’t paying attention today, but I don’t think they mentioned him even once on the broadcast, which was quite disappointing.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
They're taking Kill via golf cart to the ambulance or the nearby hospital.
He has an IV and is getting oxygen by a mask, I think.
I have no idea if he is conscious or not.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
And now, Minnesota has to try to block that out and get a TD to tie in 20 seconds.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Gray nearly got sacked. That was 4th down. NMSU will win.
Seriously, I feel sorry for the Gopher fans and players right now. I hope Kill recovers.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
NMSU celebrates for about 15 seconds, as Minnesota players are just stunned.
Tough situation for all.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Minnesota players waiting in the end zone, singing the alma mater.
They all look very concerned, naturally.
BTN confirms it is a seizure, didn’t say much else.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
this is what sb minnesota had to say
With around 30 seconds left in the game and the Gophers driving, Gophers head coach Jerry Kill has collapsed on the sideline, and their is concern among the players and fans for his safety.
He was not hit, and apparently just fell to the ground and started convulsing.
A stretcher has been brought over and he is being attended to by trainers and paramedics. They are currently administering an IV to him.
TCF Bank Stadium is so quiet you can hear a pin drop, and players are weeping and holding hands, as are many fans.
This is a very serious situation, and we will update you as soon as we find out more.
Please keep Coach Kill and his family in your thoughts and prayers
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
Jesus yes
This, Greeenwood, the kid in Mississippi….what the hell is going on
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Sep 10, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Dual citizen of Iowa and Michigan here...
…this reminds me of the time in a Michigan-Wisconsin game a few years back when Michigan, down 16 with I-don’t-remember-exactly-2:30-maybe left in the game, faced fourth and more-than-ten on their own 25-ish and punted. Sure, fail to get it and Wisky has really favorable field position again, but the punt sealed the defeat. Go for it and you’ve got hope while you draw breath… punt and certain failure. Why didn’t you go for the field goal, Kirk? In your opponent’s stadium no less?
by ISleepwithaBuckeye on Sep 10, 2011 6:07 PM CDT reply actions
When they took the FG in OT I knew it was over
If I were Rhoads I would have told the guys we were NOT kicking a field goal. We were gonna win or lose it, right now.
KF should have put in the jumbo package and picked up the 1 yard.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
B1G not looking so great
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
Attention Cyclones:
First, congratulations. You deserved the win. We deserved the loss.
Here’s my suggestion: why don’t you guys go out on top? Seriously, let’s never play again. Ever. You can keep the trophy you won today and ALWAYS be the reigning champion of the CyHawk football game. Hell — you can keep the bronzed Precious-Moments trophy they’re mothballing, and the one before that. And the one that they’re making for next year. Seriously — 4 trophies! And you get to keep them all. And we never play football again. Deal?
Third.
This game does nothing for me or anyone i know.
by coltranemonk on Sep 10, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I know its probably not the time or place since Jerry Kill just collapsed
But since it is still the venting thread I don’t know if I see us beating Minnesota with Gray at quarterback and our defense’s lack of ability to stop a mobile quarterback. Let alone Michigan or Northwestern.
I'm ok with playing Michigan until
Robinson learns how to throw. Otherwise we’re screwed against mobile QBs who can throw.
by Herky's Middle Feather on Sep 10, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Does the fact that ISU beat us
Make them a legitimate team this year? Or are we just really that bad? Or do they just get up for this game more than we do?
I'm not sure it's any of that. Or maybe all of it?
I don’t think either team knows what it is at this point. I know I sure as hell don’t have any clue
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
I think ISU gets up for the game more.
And they are better than they showed in week 1.
However, they (like Iowa) will have to keep improving if they want to win more than one or two more games this year.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they're more legitimate than we gave them credit for
but that’s cause we were giving them no credit. And no, I don’t think we’re that bad. This is a wake-up game, IMO.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 10, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes ISU beat us. Does that make us suck?
No it don’t. But we’re not that great…yet. This should be a wake-up call for the team. Anybody at anytime can and will beat us.
by Herky's Middle Feather on Sep 10, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe not ULM. But yes, anyone else.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Wake up call?
This team doesn’t respond to wake up calls. They’re too tired.
by GreatBarrierReiff on Sep 11, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Thoughts on the Iowa v ISU game.
First off, I didn’t see it coming. ISU’s offense played way better than I thought they were capable of. So, congrats to ISU.
Second, this isn’t the first time and won’t be the last time Iowa loses to ISU.
Third, I’m hoping a lot of the comments on here are meant in a “venting” manner, because this is currently still a good series for Iowa and ISU. No, Iowa doesn’t get as much out of it as ISU does, but it is still a decent series and we should play them each year they stay in an AQ/BCS conference.
Fourth, Iowa is now and almost always has been a team that needs to improve during the year. There is always something we can do/execute better or clean up. Coaches and players must put the nose to the grindstone and grow if they want to beat Pitt or the Big Ten teams. And, right now, it looks like the defense and the special teams needs to improve the most.
Fifth, yes, the coaches need to re-examine some things. You can’t play for overtime, you need to do something with a minute left and two timeouts. No excuses, the coaches blew that situation like a hooker does a guy with $5k to throw around.
Sixth, Go Hawks! Keep rooting for them. Pray for Jerry Kill and Brett Greenwood. Have a good weekend.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
I'm sure I'm speaking for many, many people
when I say that we are dead serious about not wanting this rivalry to continue. There is just no upside for us.
Agree especially on point 5 and 6.
by The Final Gun on Sep 10, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I respect your Hawk-knowledge,
but if you really want this series canceled, you’re not to be taken seriously.
Plenty of families love it. It sells out at Kinnick almost all the time. It isn’t going anywhere until ISU gets a shitty (or shittier) conference, and maybe not even then. And I haven’t even brought up the political bullshit that is tied to it.
If Iowa cancels the ISU series, do you really think they’re going to start scheduling a bigger game every year? I don’t.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
And I say all of this as
someone who would love to see Jamie Pollard be forced to walk the desert, being chased by fire ants, while he is covered in honey. And a big, dumb, Ronald McDonald suit.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I'm not into kinky torture-scenarios (nttawwt).
But we’re selling out Pitt next week at Kinnick.
- Pitt has better recruiting implications for us.
- Pitt is a program that won’t gear their entire spring, summer and season into beating us.
- Pitt is a program where, if we do beat them, people will actually notice and respect us for it. ISU, not so much.
- Pitt doesn’t have a fan-base largely made up of petulant, entitled children who think if they scream loud enough and paint themselves red we’ll keep them on Football-Welfare forever.
We should schedule more Pitts and less ISUs.
by The Final Gun on Sep 10, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
There are plenty of idiot Pitt fans, too.
But I don’t really know any.
Meanwhile, I have uncles that went to ISU.
Sure, the ISU series isn’t real enjoyable when Iowa loses, or when you have to listen to their dumbest fans, or when they gouge us for $90 a seat at Trice. But some of that is unavoidable (asshat fans – see Nebraska). We will inevitably lose to someone that we feel we are “better than” (see Arizona and ASU). Barta can and should try to put an end to some of the other nonsense (ticket price gouging, dumb TV networking, and maybe some other things).
Canceling this series is like canceling Minnesota. Sure, we wouldn’t really miss it now, but it is nice to have some rivals that you can actually beat a fair amount of the time.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
This series fucking sucks my ass
It’s a no win situation for the Hawks.
by ThunderHawk13 on Sep 10, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Fresno State vs Nebraska.
Nebraska had to punt on their first possession, then Fresno took the return back for a 67 yard TD.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
I figured it out!
Steele Jentz sounds like a 70’s pro wrestler name.
Jentz sounds a lot like “jorts”
We were doomed from the start
by TheCapitain on Sep 10, 2011 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Ok that's a fucking rec.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 10, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I went to church for some spiritual healing
and now I need something to drink.
and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!
OPEN THREAD FOR EVENING GAMES
http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2011/9/10/2417241/were-talkin-football-evening-shift-games
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
From the department of childish behavior
I just whooped up on ISU on NCAA ’12. I feel mildly better
"If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be research." - Albert Einstein
"Consider them rolled." - Jim Delany
by 6 seconds of hell on Sep 10, 2011 7:07 PM CDT reply actions
I see nothing childish about that
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
time for some coaching changes
Ferentz is 5-7 against ISU, that’s an embarrassment in itself. Its time for the boosters to call for his job. Iowa out classes them in every category but coaching. I don’t understand how u can have superior athletes and still lose 7 times in 12 years. How many more games is kirk and crew gonna get out coached till its time for a change. Its getting hard to watch, and I hate feeling like a cubs fan in the sense that our excuse is “there is always next year”. This staff of chumps gets paid way to much to lead us to failure every year. I’m ready for change, let’s start looking, Skip holtz would be a good option
by eff bielema on Sep 10, 2011 7:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Give. Me. A. Fucking. Break.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
6-7, not 5-7
and it is 6-3 in the past 9 years. I hate losing to ISU as much as anyone but after dropping the first 4 he has had plenty of success.
YOUR FACTS ARE NOT WELCOME HERE
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Brock most of the people on here are articulate and actually have something meaningful to say about the hawks, but you sir are just a d bag. Why do you even post on here at all?
by eff bielema on Sep 10, 2011 11:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, you are clearly articulate
In fact, I’m glad you learned to use a comma, period, AND question mark all in the same post. Amazing.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Your “funny” jokes aren’t welcome here. I’m sure that you’re the kind of redneck they always show on tv to represent Iowa. I’m guessing your wardrobe consists of bib overalls, straw hats, and flannel shirts with copious amounts of skoal stains. Get a clue about football before you write anything on here. I’m sure you never played a down of football in your life, and that’s why you can’t grasp the fact that kirk and staff are terrible field generals. They have no grasp of what’s going on in the game or how to counter what the other team is doing. They have never made a halftime adjustment in their careers. He is great at recruiting kids that are under the radar, and developing NFL talent. He just has no feel for actual game day scenarios.
by eff bielema on Sep 11, 2011 1:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And this is you talking out of your ass.
Kirk Ferentz may be frustrating, but “terrible field general” is a stupid statement. He’s widely considered one of the top 5 coaches in all of CFB and has consistently been a candidate for an NFL head coaching position. They don’t offer those jobs to people they believe are “terrible field generals.”
by The Mexican't on Sep 11, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow, you pegged me
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Don't you have a fight to pick at YouTube?
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Sep 11, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
He's pointing his thumb down so hard at a Kirk Ferentz interview right now.
He’s just waiting for the screen count to change.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 11, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
You are right he is 6-7, and that’s still extremely pathetic. How many bowl games has state gone to in that span. Its inexcusable just like losing to jNW you have to beat the powder puffs on your schedule to be a good coach
by eff bielema on Sep 10, 2011 9:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I despise losing to Iowa State. Hell, I despise losing.
Yet Texas and Nebraska both have losses to ISU in the last two years. It happens, it shouldn’t, but it does. When you consider the absolute beatdowns the Hawks have administered to the Clones over the previous 3 seasons you can be upset for a few minutes and then get some perspective; maybe ISU is better than you thought this year and Iowa is exactly what you’d expect a team returning only half of their starters to be.
Also, if you are basing KF’s quality as a coach solely on his ability to beat ISU & NU, then you’re either 22 or a troll.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 11, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
im not basing it on just isu and nu,
but rather the way they routinely lose games in the exact same way. Just like last year they blew a lead late in the game. We constantly had chances to jump out to a big lead early and we never took advantage. I feel the way that we jumped all over sparty last year is the way we should always play. We got the lead early in that game and we put them away . Even the games we escaped with last year inluding michigan and indiana was luck. We had michigan down by 28 and lucked out with a win cause michigan isnt very good. The conservative bs works great in the nfl, but i wish kirk and ken would try to put games away instead of playing to keep them close.Like yesterday they had either 2 or 3 series in a row with 3 and outs, where we ran straight into 8 men in the box on first and second and threw on third. Im just saying kirk repeatedly does the same things to lose games when is he gonna get the hint and play to win a game against inferior competition. He needs to look at lots of game film cause if i know they are running a stretch play off left tackle every first down so does the other team. If i know when we get the lead we are running on first and second down so does the other team. My anger is directed at the fact that he refuses to learn lessons from previous games and seasons. Like i said with the exception of msu last year all the games are the exact same. Predictable and conservative, he doesnt need to do a complete over haul but he needs to change things for sure.
If only more Iowa fans shared your passion
Seriously, how I wish fans with your attitude could build the critical mass necessary to oust Ferentz. I say this because I’m a Cyclone fan.
There are very few coaches who could equal the kind of success he’s had in Iowa City, and the common trait almost all of them share is that they’d be unable to stifle their incredulous laughter if you called ’em up to request an interview.
You really have no clue how good you have it.
by gs3m on Sep 10, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why are you even in here if you’re a clone fan nothing you say matters. You don’t understand the fact that the iowa program makes a lot of money and actually has stuff to appeal to the kids they are recruiting. Last I checked kf was in the top ten in salary among all cfb coaches. So ya I think we shoud have expectations to do well. We aren’t in a conference in limbo, with a program that sends no one to the nfl like isu. Sorry bout it, but the truth hurts.
by eff bielema on Sep 10, 2011 9:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
except for that he's right on this one
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
We have to pay more, because we are Iowa.
Coaches won’t work here and stay here because of recruiting issues.
I’d rather overpay Ferentz than hire Gene Chizik for two or three years and have him leave town.
Yes, KF makes good money. Having high expectations is fine. But don’t act like it is the end of the world when an entire team falls short sometimes.
And repeatedly calling for the heads of coaches comes off as juvenile. It’s like saying a restaurant manager should be fired when someone gets an over-cooked steak and a waitress gives someone a Diet Coke instead of a Coke.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Kf has been good for iowa no doubt but the fact that u are all ok with mediocrity for the most part is crazy. I remember when we got kf, stoops was available at the same time. I’m sure glad we got kf instead. Why are iowa ok with losing I don’t get it. If we got stoops and ou got kf the same year, kf wouldve been out of a job 5 years ago. And do u think ou would be ok with losing to okie state 7 times in 13 years….doubt it. I’m so sick of hearing its iowa 7-5 and 8-4 years are good enough. Iowa has plenty of stuff for recruitment value. If stoops can recruit to norman. Or nebraskas glory years what the hell does lincoln have to offer. I’m sick of this loser mentality stuff needs to change sooner rather than later or we will be in isu shoes and will be thrilled to go to the alamo bowl
by eff bielema on Sep 10, 2011 10:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Stoops wasn't "available"
He wasn’t going to come here. This isn’t a fucking video game where you just get to sign any players you want and hire any coaches you want. Christ.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
4 top ten finishes in the last decade is horrible, isn't it?
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
YOUR FACTS ARE NOT WELCOME HERE
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
here are kf rankings in his career at iowa.
02-8th, 03-8th, 04-8th, 08-20th, 09-7th. His other 7 years they weren’t rated in the top 25. After his 02-04 run he has been a very average coach with the exception of 09. He is 53-43 in the big ten overall, and is 26-22 in the last 6 years in the big ten. He got almost half his big ten wins for 02-04. So yes he needs to reflect and change some things up. Cause is kind of following haydens pattern with early success followed by being very average
by eff bielema on Sep 11, 2011 5:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
In Hayden's case
his staff pretty much turned over after the last Rose Bowl, and the replacements just weren’t as good. Even the best head coach needs a great staff to field great teams. Granted, the inability to build a great staff is not a good sign.
For Ferentz, not much has changed. which is part of the problem, because football has.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I totally agree with that.
Haydens coaching tree is amazing. While kirk doesn’t have one because he has had the exact ame staff for his entire tenure at iowa. Hayden was affected by losing great assistants for sure. Oh well still love the hawks I just hope they get it straightened out sooner than later, because coaching changes hurt you for years.
by eff bielema on Sep 11, 2011 7:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's not true.
KF has had some assistants leave for the NFL. Joe Philbin, Ron Aiken, and maybe Brian Ferentz (although he never coached at Iowa).
Time will tell if any of Ferentz’s assistants become head coaches elsewhere. One thing that doesn’t make it more likely is that KF hired some “old hands” to begin with in Norm and KOK. Also, it seems like many major programs these days are willing to hire a “hotshot” younger coach (Lane Kiffin, Derek Dooley, Dan Mullen, Bret Bielema, Luke Fickell, Pat Fitzgerald…)
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 12, 2011 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I think there are some guys
on the current Iowa staff that may end up as head coaches somewhere, someday.
Kaczinski (I probably didn’t spell that right), Campbell, and maybe Eric Johnson.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 12, 2011 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
And kok was actually up as a candidate for the indiana job last year. I’m not sure how series they were about wanting him, but his name was in the mix.
by eff bielema on Sep 12, 2011 10:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
when your other finishes are more like Top 50 or Top 40, it sort of is.
A team that can finish in the Top 10 in four out of 8 years (02-09), one would think they could be more consistent from year to year. They should really finish in the Top 25 every year. I don’tsee any reasonwhy they should finish 56th or 70th or whatever at this point.
meh
Other than 07
when have we finished that low?
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
they were 6-7 in '06.
but they went to a bowl, I think, because they just reeled off 3 straight 8th ranked in the BCS seasons.
They did play Texas ( a 9-3, top 20 team) very close in the bowl that year, though, which was pretty fun.
meh
So "at this point"
is 5 years ago?
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
And were we competitive
with that Texas team that won the national title the year before and would go on to play for another one a couple years later?
So, even in a bad year for Ferentz, he can coach ’em up to get them to play decently against a very talented team?
Wow. Fire him before we do something crazy like win a bowl game against an inferior team (’08 Outback says “too late.”)
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 11, 2011 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
KF is a scratch golfer
who lets up on par threes.
by GreatBarrierReiff on Sep 11, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
But they lost that game to Texas
and that wasn’t the team that “won” the national title the year before, it was an incredibly young Texas team that had lost most of the plays on the national title team to graduation. They just weren’t that good that year.
You’re right, given enough time (bowl prep) Ferentz can coach just about any team he has up, no matter how talent starved they are. The problem is, Ferentz has demonstrated an inability to coach up/change things while in game when circumstances demand them. Which leaves us in these positions far too often.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
If 7-5 and 8-4 is never acceptable,
then I’m not sure what program you’d want to follow, but Iowa ain’t it. KF has had 3 losing seasons. He’s got a winning record in bowl games, and he has been doing pretty well in the last two or three years against our rivals (Minnesota, Wisky, ISU).
No, he doesn’t beat OSU, but how many teams do? No, he doesn’t have a crystal football, but how many teams do?
What, exactly, does Iowa City have that brings the best athletes from California, Texas, and Florida?
Just because some of us fans don’t want to fire the coach at the first sign of trouble, doesn’t mean we have a loser mentality. I go to the home games. Do you? I see the effort, the success, and the heartbreaks up close. Do you?
Be a real fan. Wait for something that is actually unacceptable before you refuse to accept it.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 11, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I’ve had season tickets since 99 so that kind of backfired on you huh? I’m sick of iowa repeatedly getting beat the same way in close games. Do I want kirk fired, no not really but it would be nice to see him change some things up on both sides of the ball. The game has changed and he needs to adjust. If this same crap continues for the next few years, then yes he must go.
by eff bielema on Sep 11, 2011 1:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
First this:
that’s an embarrassment in itself. Its time for the boosters to call for his job
And then this:
Do I want kirk fired, no not really
And I’m the idiot
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 11, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I know, I know
I just couldn’t help myself. But by now I’ve proved my point. Now I’m done.
/EAS’d
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Hey geek squad do you remember the jake christensen years. Especially after the pathetic loss at pitt, Kf was getting blasted by keeler in the dm register, and by the boosters. He obviously felt the pressure to make changes cause people at the school and fans were un happy. Oddly enough jake never saw the field again. Kirks a great guy but loyal to a fault. He needs to feel pressure before he makes changes cause he obviously won’t do it himself. I was venting after a lousy performance. I don’t want him axed but I think he needs to feel some pressure so he can right the ship.
by eff bielema on Sep 11, 2011 12:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
oh, well...if Keeler said it was so...then that's that.
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
I'll take this one up
I’m not calling for KF to be fired, or even necessarily any of the assistants. That kind of evaluation needs to wait til the off-season. And 8-4 would be a fine record this year, but I don’t see how we’re going to get there. Hell, I’m thinking 7-5 might prove difficult right now, but we’ll see. But, Chazz, my problem with you is your seeming belief that it is never on the coaches, that they never have to shoulder the lion’s share of the blame. While 7-5/8-4 would be ok this year, it was absolutely NOT acceptable last year; yet you were vociferous in your defense of all the coaches. Fine, it was the “players” last year. But when we have the exact same problems with teams year after year after year regardless of the personnel, it is on the coaches; and until they adapt, we’re going to be consistently disappointed.
I don’t like losing, at all, but I can live with it if I think the team is learning from it and adapting to prevent it in the future. Outside of the last 1/4 of 2008 and 2009, however, the past 5+ years have shown that this is NOT THE CASE with this coaching staff. I hope the rest of this season proves me wrong, but right now I’m not very hopeful.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Sep 11, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am, and have been, calling for KOK to be replaced
and it’s not that I can handle losing when it looks like their actually trying really hard to win, but don’t. Didn’t see that yesterday. And it was really easy to see the defense because they were moving so damn slow.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
You do realize that playing the What If Game is fucking stupid, don't you?
Iowa hiring Stoops does not equal Iowa having the same success as OU. In fact, you’re a fucking moron if you think Iowa is on the same level as Oklahoma. What KF has done is make Iowa a recognizable program on the national level. To claim that he’s been “mediocre for the most part” is to show just how ignorant you are. Quit acting like a spoiled twat.
by The Mexican't on Sep 11, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Remember when Saban won the National Championship at Michigan State?
How about all the titles that Holtz and Spurrier brought to So. Carolina? The Mack Brown dynasty at UNC is legendary. I can’t believe the Yankees ever hired Joe Torre after he crapped down his leg his first time out as a manager…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 11, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
You are absolutely right dipshit. Iowa had no football tradition before kirk got here in 99. Hayden never did anything. O wait he only went to 3 rose bowls, and won 3 conf titles. Oh and had iowa ranked number one in the polls, a little something kirk has never done. People forget rather quickly. We weren’t in football obscurity like you all make it sound. Yes fry was 3-8 his last year but he knew he was gone. Kirk has done a lot for iowa but hayden got iowa to prominence not kirk don’t shit yourself. You guys make it sound like we were iowa state until kirk got here and gave us a football tradition and that’s not the case at all. If u don’t think that kirk needs to adjust for us to win you have no football knowledge and you should be in a room posting about d and d instead of football u clueless geek.
by eff bielema on Sep 11, 2011 2:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, that's right, Iowa was still a big deal after 1991. I must have missed all those years.
Hayden did put Iowa on the map, and then they fell back to earth. Let’s not forget that Hayden Fry hasn’t coached at Iowa in MORE THAN A FUCKING DECADE. Stoops didn’t even want to coach at Iowa after Hayden left.
What evidence do you have that says Kirk needs to make drastic changes for Iowa to win? Wasn’t it two years ago that Iowa was an Orange Bowl champion? When was the last time Iowa won 3 consecutive bowl games? And you’re kidding yourself if you think Iowa ‘02 wouldn’t rival any of Fry’s best squads. You just stick to your selective memories. You’ve clearly shown that you have superior football knowledge to everyone else on the planet, which is why you think Iowa has anywhere near the recruiting cache that OU has, or Nebraska. It’s not about the city, asshole, it’s about the program.
by The Mexican't on Sep 11, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
First off I’m not comparing any of kirks teams to haydens teams you came up with that on your own. Did hayden let us down in the big games, oh yes for sure. Did kirk get embarrassed by usc in 02 he certainly did. So I’m not sure where you came up with any of that stuff. Recruiting wise where did boise and tcu come up with a great tradition to use as a recruiting tool. Yet they have been in the top ten for a few years, so that point you made is irrelevant you inbred moron. You are also trying to tell me that the tim dwight and tavian banks years at iowa were unnoticed by every one in iowa and the entire country, highly doubt that. I’m sure all iowa fans remember those mid to late 90s years. Also oddly enough iowa went to bowls in 93,95,96, and 97 but who would want to remember that. Since 05 kf has been 26-22 in the big ten I would say that some evidence to want some improvement and changes. He makes 3.65 mill a year before incentives, I think that warrants the need to want to see better. His philosophies were great from 02-04 but they obviously haven’t been cutting it since with the exception of 09. He needs to change to win close games, and hold leads in the fourth quarter. He is 53-43 in his career in the big ten, man we should name the school after him, never question anything he does, and thank our lucky stars every night that we have him.
by eff bielema on Sep 11, 2011 5:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
To answer your question...
It is largely because this board is largely populated with thoughtful and witty types; many of whom seem to be genuinely appreciative of the success the Hawkeye football program has enjoyed.
Of course maybe you’re just trying to teach me a lesson about correlation, causation, and so forth? Who knows, maybe you’re the only person here who really gets it?
At the end of the day my motives might be different, but I’ll support your “Fire Ferentz!” movement 100%!
To be clear...
I think Kirk Ferentz is one of the best in the business.
But then, what do I know? I’m just some dumb hayseed who doesn’t see why the University of Iowa isn’t inherently better at football than Indiana University, the University of Illinois, Purdue University, the University of Kansas, etc…
double negative
Wasn’t intentional. Too much post Cy-Hawk victory celebration today!
Why in the hell would Iowa be "inherently better" than Illinois?
Illinois has loads of advantages over Iowa. There’s no reason at all for Illinois to be as bad as they are.
by The Mexican't on Sep 11, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes there is.
God hates Illinois. Also, Jeff George played there. Hmmm…these may actually be related.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 11, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
And Jeff George absolutely destroyed Iowa
I remember being at an Illinois-Iowa game at Kinnick and watching Jeff George just shred Iowa. Worst game I’ve ever been to
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
We were at the same game...
…yes, yes we were.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 12, 2011 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Like I said...
The double negative was a mistake born out of wins in Ames, at Boulder, and mediocrity in Austin. Ok, maybe it was how I chose to enjoy those things.
Regardless, I meant to say I don’t see the inherent football greatness of Iowa City implied by the poster above. Quite frankly I think it takes a breathtaking sense of entitlement to call for Kirk Ferentz’s job.
Iowa is a very, very good program. It doesn’t have to be. Getting rid of the guy who is largely responsible is a good way to learn that lesson. But then, maybe it will sting less if losing to the Hoosiers, Wildcats, and Cyclones of the world is no longer considered an upset?
Right.
Failure every year. Except for those wins against ISU. And those Big Ten titles. And those bowl wins.
If only we had hired Bob Elliott, we’d have 15 national titles by now. And we could tell those Nebraska cocksuckers to take their measly 5 titles and ram them.
/sarcasm font’d
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
what is with you
and your stupid “/sarcasm” disclaimer?
by GreatBarrierReiff on Sep 11, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
The first ISU drive was the epitome of Iowa's bend-but-don't-break defense - and the entire team.
Sure, they got 56 yds in under 4 mins to start the game, but see? They fumbled in the red zone, so it’s all good. Other teams make mistakes. We don’t. We’ll just be super conservative and wait until the other team screws up. We won’t win all the time, but it might be more than half. So there’s that.
meh
That philosophy worked 5 years ago. With that same theory they fumbled in the red zone then we fumbled right back. Our defense is out dated a 4-3 doesn’t work against a spread. Apparently kirk doesn’t watch game film because northwestern came up with a recipe to beat us 5 years ago and everyone has followed it since. Like I said 5-7 against ISU is a joke and a testament that bend don’t break doesn’t work anymore. Also the iowa coaching has no emotion, and they are terrible field generals. No emotion and no in game changes, there are coaching staffs at the high school level that could out coach kirk and crew. Kirk is great at developing talent for sure but game days are a joke, sorry kirk u need to go
by eff bielema on Sep 10, 2011 7:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Just to put things in perspective
Arguable the one of the best year of our program we lost to Iowa State. In Kinnick. I realize it might not be completely the same. And maybe it shouldn’t be compared. Point it there’s still a lot of season left. Putting things in perspective isn’t a bad thing
This team isn't anywhere near as talented as the team from '02.
There’s putting things in perspective and there’s ignoring the facts. Expecting a BCS bowl out of this team is definitely the latter.
by The Mexican't on Sep 10, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Sadly, I believe you speak the truth.
"Let me finish or I will hammerpunch your clavicle." -Steve Youngblood
by SomeJerkPoster on Sep 10, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It's looking like it could be 2007all over again
We got beat by a team that will likely turn out to be decent at best. And it’ doesn’t look like our head coach is all that bothered about it. KF said in his weekly show that Tennessee Tech “ran the ball pretty well on us”. This year is likely gonna suck ass.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I'd say he was stating the obvious
I was very curious where all the optimism about this D-line was coming from after last week. The DL had me worried after last week, and even moreso now.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
it doesn't seem like he's bothered based on the fact that he doesn't flip out during press conferences?
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
It's not because he doesn't flip out
it’s because it’s always the same bullshit nothing answers, no real emotion, no matter what. But frankly, I’d like to see a “they are who we thought they are” moment out of the guy once. At least I’d know he cared.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
We don't know what happens in the locker rooms/meeting rooms/practices/etc
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Couldn't agree with you more.
I’m so tired of this Ferentz doesn’t have any fire bull shit. He coaches 22 year olds who have no problem getting themselves jacked up for a game. His demeanor is a good thing. But the guy knows how to get pissed. Press conferences DO NOT equal locker room speeches.
Yes.
You’ve seen him get pissed with some refs, and it is probably similar once a year in the locker room.
I bet the players, and assistant coaches, and administrators, and plenty of fans, appreciate that he doesn’t act like a child at pressers, though. I do. Mike Gundy hasn’t won anything that’s mattered.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
so a coach that keeps his cool in public is one that doesn't care?
I just don’t buy it.
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
agreed
if anything i like that better. keeping our composure gives the sense of control and not panic. and Brock8144 brought up a very valid point.
For sure
And I guess my bigger point is that, as long as the players know he cares, it really doesn’t matter what we think.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I don’t want a coach that looks like a jackass like mike stoops or brian kelly, but kirk never looks like he even knows there is a game going on. He never tries to pump them up. He never says a word to an official, and honestly he looks clueless. All he does is sit there and chomp on gum, I could do that for 3 mill a year.
by eff bielema on Sep 10, 2011 8:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
he never talks to officials? where have you been?
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
Thank you
it’s not like they have the camera on him all game either. I’m sure there are plenty of things he says to players, officials, coaches, etc. that we don’t see. But whatever, I’m not going to change anyone’s opinion nor am I interested in doing so.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I'm not about to go on a rant about how great ISU is
but how do you know they’ll be “decent at best”? They won a nail-biter against UNI in week one (week one results of any kind rarely tell you a thing) and then out-played an in-state rival. Right now I think they look significantly out-classed by Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and A&M. The rest of the games on their schedule are winnable. They could be shit but they could also be good. It’s week 2.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 11, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know
which is why I said “will likely turn out to be” before “decent at best”. That’s based on the following questions: How often does Iowa State field a team that is better than that. It was also based on being pissed off at the game. Maybe they go 9-3, but I doubt it.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I hear ya gopher and I hope kill is ok he seems like a classy guy. Norse that’s what I was thinking today but its a different game. Football has changed and iowa hasn’t. Spread offenses and mobile qbs have totally changed the game. I hope kirk is gonna take a long look in the mirror and change some things. I live in iowa and all I have to look forward too in the fall is the hawks. But u can’t have the same offense and defense for 12 years and expect to compete for big ten titles. They need to change their scheme and make changes on the fly during the game or iowa is gonna quickly fall into mediocrity rather quickly
by eff bielema on Sep 10, 2011 7:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
except that we do compete for them
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
by rupertj on Sep 10, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good rebuttal you’re clearly a master debater, and a true king of stats
by eff bielema on Sep 10, 2011 11:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You obviously haven't let things like numbers and facts get in the way of your arguments
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
by competing
you mean keeping it close, right?
by GreatBarrierReiff on Sep 11, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
or to tell your players that you don't trust them
by letting 1:17 run off the clock with a chance to win. That’s not fucking competing for anything.
by GreatBarrierReiff on Sep 11, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
The guy asked for Iowa to compete for Big Ten titles.
rupert responded by saying that Iowa does compete for BigTen titles. How does yesterday’s loss affect the primary goal of this Iowa team? It was a non-conference loss and has no bearing on the BigTen rankings.
by The Mexican't on Sep 11, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
But we have to win the NC every year!
What’s the point if you don’t?!? Everything else is just for losers!
/SEC’d
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Sep 11, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
just a non-conference loss
my mistake. The fuck was I thinking. I’m looking forward to the progress that’s being made the next few weeks after watching film when we:
-miss tackles
-can’t finish TFLs
-don’t throw more fade routes to 6’3" WRs being defended by 5’7" and 5’11" CBs with no safety help up top showing, pre-snap
-don’t seem to notice that the opposing team likes to exploit the poorly executed cover 2 with drag routes toward the MLB jump zone
-completely buttfuck the zone stretch play and generic “power O”
-completely get buttfucked on busted coverage from the DBs, once occurring on the first drive that didn’t get noticed by Jantz
-forget how to assign a quick slant to the short side of the field against a CB who opens his inside shoulder
-ran zone plays in I formation without a viable blocking FB, who led instead of cutting off the backside defender.
-showed everyone that 1:17 to win the game with a FG is too much to handle
-can’t find a way to alleviate woes of growing tired
-running bad routes (uhhh, 2 WRs in the same zone, in OT)
-don’t attack all the gaps in contain
-give up 194 rushing yards to, what may become, a mid-major school
-lose another close game
But like you said, conference championships have been tied here at Iowa in the past, so there’s really nothing left to do
by GreatBarrierReiff on Sep 11, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand what yours and his points were...
but yesterday’s game was alarming in how many phases that were just…butchered. There is a lot of improvement to be made if B10 titles are the realistic goal.
by GreatBarrierReiff on Sep 11, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
no apprently what you and i say makes no sense.
Just ask brock or chazz. 26-22 in conference play play in the last 6 years is amazing. It definitely warrants a salary of 3.65 million a year. Don’t question kirk cause we have been good in the past. Therefore he needs to change nothing to win now.
by eff bielema on Sep 12, 2011 10:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I never said he didn't need to change anything
I said he didn’t need to be fired. Reading comprehension is your friend. Are you 15?
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
a large naked african american wrestler just walked into my dorm room at Luther
he then told me not leave my door unlocked or else “a big naked black dude” will walk in… I think he’s taking the loss pretty badly
that's sound advice
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
Wow.
I never realized there were so many under-dressed black men in Decorah.
/too soon for that joke, I know.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Sep 10, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not what you do it's how you do it!!!
Last time I checked Wisconsin, OSU, USC, Alabama etc… are all doing the same things they’ve done for the last 12 years, seems to be working out OK. Blaming the scheme is obsurd, football is about winning one on one matchups.
by DananHughesUrDaddy on Sep 10, 2011 9:06 PM CDT reply actions
Well, yeah, but if you are getting lesser recruits or guys who aren't as athletic as other guys....
…then you make up for that with a different scheme. the scheme works when you have superior athletic talent and you use it to minimize your mistakes because you know, if your guys just play straight up, more often than not, they’ll win those one-on-one match-ups.
So while I agree that the “scheme” isn’t to blame or whatever, it’s the reluctance to change the scheme to fit the personnel you have. The rare years Iowa had better athletes/players than everyone, they won. When they don’t, which is more often, they lose. Iowa doesn’t get the recruits those teams get (yes, even Wisconsin “out-recruits” Iowa), then you can’t play boring, conservative football.
If you’re defending the 4-3, cover 2, then you’ll probably win that. But if you’re defending the coaches for not changing from that, or at least adapting and doing other things, I’m not sure you’re right.
meh
Wisconsin???
Check again dope. Did you notice the points per game they put up last year? Have you seen their offense with a stud running QB this year? This is not your Barry Alvarez offense. Its damm good we don’t play WI this year-they would put 50 on our defense.
CONSERVATIVE SUCKS......
What the F ever happened to the days, just a few short years ago, when Iowa would run the Jail Break Screen like 5 times a game?!?!?! Our Wide Receivers are FAR better than Herb Grigsby was, and thats the last WR I remember running that play for Iowa… CONSERVATIVE SUCKS
Amen
The Jail Break was a winner of a play. It was the closest thing to a exotic that this staff ever ran. I think they are playing it too conservative with their first year QB. Cut him loose!
What bothers about this game...
was how stereotypical the outcome was.
Iowa St. adapted the same ol’ game plan, well known, to beat Iowa. The only reason the score was even close was because they made so many sloppy mistakes: fumbles, missed FG’s, penalties. You give that plan (which will certainly work, since we don’t ever make any kind of changes) to any team with more talent… we lose by 30.
Our offense will be running the ball against 8 in the box, even when the opponents secondary is staffed by midgets. Our defense will give up big yards to any mobile quarterback… and be completely gassed by the start of the 4th quarter. Our kick coverage will always leave the opponent in good field position.
Its the “game plan” and it’s working exactly as expected… just ask the Iowa coaches.
My thoughts exactly, time to FINALLY change the bend don’t break philosophy. I’m sick of watching them playing to not lose instead of playing to put some one away and actually winning a game decisively
by eff bielema on Sep 10, 2011 10:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
heh
Like I’ve said before, what Pat Fitzgerald said after last year’s game when someone asked him about the win or what-not. Basically: There were really no new wrinkles. They did exactly what we thought they’d do.
I mean different blocking assignments does a team have to prepare for Iowa’s team? They’re going to run a 4-3 the vast majority of the time (even if the other team puts 3 WRs out there), and they will rarely blitz. I would think that if you have a good line that has prepared for other teams, you only need some good refreshers for the “wrinkles” like blitzing, nickel pacages or what-not. And you can spend the vast majority of your time perfecting your blocking against the 4-3.
As I stated above, if you have better players than the other team (like Alabama, OSU, have), that works because it doesn’t matter how much the other teams practice; you’re still going to beat them 9 times out of ten (apparently, literally, for tOSU).
meh
During the UM/ND, Herby said that teams practice the 2-min drill every day at the end of practice.
I think Iowa practices end-arounds and run up the middle for their 2-min offense.
ND and UM combined to score 3 TDs in the last 1:30; Iowa had a 1:30 left in both halves and quit.
Bethany: Were they sent to Hell?
Metatron: Worse. Wisconsin. For the entire span of human history.
It's pretty obvious that this is just going to be a boring season.
It’s one thing to lose. It’s another thing to lose to a bad team (and make no mistake—that’s what Iowa did today). But it’s another to lose to a bad team and look completely boring and listless in the process. And, trust me—I’m not the one whose opinion really matters. There are a lot of 16- and 17-year-old kids who watched this game and said, “Wow…Ferentz doesn’t trust his players to make plays, and he plays hyperconservative football. Yeah, I think I’ll pass.”
It’s said that in the pros, old guys draft young guys, but in college young guys (recruits) select old guys (coaches). There are fewer and fewer young guys who are going to be willing to play for Iowa. And it’s starting to show.
um...have you been paying attention to recruiting and NFL rosters?
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
YOUR FACTS ARE NOT WELCOME HERE
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
sorry, sorry. i should have stopped the first time you told me
"So, the caterpillar has emerged from its cocoon as a shark, with a gun for a mouth" - M. Burns
You're five years late.
2006 called. “Laffy Taffy” ain’t getting rereleased. CURRENT HS kids can get into the Alamo Bowl and get drafted in a billion places, and not have to listen to two octogenarian coaches whine about eighty ways you can run up the middle.
Of course
I mean, the fact that we have 2nd most players in NFL camps among NFL teams, just won a BCS bowl 2 seasons ago and have played in how many Jan. 1 bowl games means absolutely nothing to those kids. We’re clearly never going to get any recruits worth a shit. Ever. Again.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
by Brock8144 on Sep 10, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Um, go fuck yourself sideways for the entire season. Then do it again.
Then do it again with a cactus. Then explain to your grandma why you have a size 10 poop shoot.
by HawkeyeRecon on Sep 11, 2011 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
You realize that this game was on Fox Sports Net right?
16 and 17 year old kids don’t watch that channel. What? We’re going to miss out on the two decent High School seniors this year?
Hey guys, what's going on.
I went downtown tonight. Had this very hot blond 30 something chick all up on me… inches, lips brushing… ready to go… OMG!!! ESPN recap of CUNTOPOLOUS SATURDAY IN AMES!!! BONER KILLER!!! OMG!!! PUKE IN WATER GLASS!!! OMG GMTFOH!!!!.
Half of that is true. FUCK IOWA STATE AND THE PONY THEIR MOM FUCKS.
Parker's Defense Over the Hill
The only way Parker’s defense works is if we have some studs to rush the passer on the D line or shut down D backs. We have neither this year, it’s going to be a LONG season. We are so freaking slow on defense!
Ferentz must work for Buffalo Wild WIngs
“You know what would make this game better? OVERTIME!”
by GreatBarrierReiff on Sep 11, 2011 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
IOWA'S 2 MINUTE OFFENSE
TAKE A KNEE WITH 77 SECONDS LEFT AND 2 TIMEOUTS …..LET TIME RUN OUT, GO INTO OT.
WTF!!!
A REPEAT OF OHIO STATE!!!
TERRIBLE COACHING.
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by What the CLUCK? on Sep 11, 2011 11:02 PM CDT reply actions
I've had a full day to think about it
and I really think Ferentz just didn’t want to have to bring home that slab of wood with a Nerf Ball on it. UNDEFEATED FROM HERE ON OUT!
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
I like this explanation
100% on board.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
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