BLACK HEART GOLD PODCAST 58: PRETTY LITTLE LIARS
by Patrick Vint on Aug 9, 2011 10:30 AM CDT
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Michael Felder writes about football in a lot of places, most prominently In the Bleachers but also Onside Kick and Crystal Ball Run. He tweets about football (@inthebleachers) and other stuff constantly. He played football at North Carolina. He once appeared on an internet TV show with me and lived to tell the tale. You can say he's kind of a badass.
He also loves The Devil Wears Prada and ABC Family's "Pretty Little Liars," but we're not going to be the ones to make fun of him for that. Well, OK, yeah, we will.
He's on the pod with us to discuss the fallout of "Butch Davis presents Apocalypto" in Chapel Hill, his overall top 10, and what he sees out of the Big Ten this season. We also discuss his affinity for the aforementioned ABC Family teen drama. Along the way, I forget how the Big Ten divisions are aligned and where Michigan State plays Nebraska. I'm just saying it's nice to have a co-host.
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good stuff, enjoyed it a lot
he might actually have sold me on pretty little liars
Northwestern fans don't go to the games because they're busy watching ABC Family.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
hahaha this guy's a sissy
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
That's me, big sissy.
http://inthebleachers.net
by InTheBleachers on Aug 9, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Rambler has difficulty communicating effectively with people who are not from the 19th century
"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.
Don't worry; I changed my mind.
Your explanation was great. After listening, I think I’m going to take time out of my day to watch ABC Family.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
The BHGP podcast always makes my day
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
I am going to quote a comment from ckmneon
Guy A: 59% comp, 7.83 ypa, 3.25 TD:INT, .081 TD/att, avg sagarin rank of opponents: 51.0
Guy B: 57.5% comp, 6.16 ypa, 1.75 TD:INT, .044 TD/att, avg sagarin rank of opponents: 47.0
Guy A is Matt McGloin from Oct 30-Nov 30. Guy B is Russel Wilson from Oct 30-Nov 30. This is not me trying to say McGloin is awesome. This is me saying that simultaneous fear of Wilson as an opponent and McGloin as your starter is thoroughly irrational.
OMG LETS FREAK OUT DURRR ABOUT WISCONSIN’S CERTAIN DEATH QB SITUATION HOW CAN THEY BE RANKED DURRR HERR
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
Yeah, well, Kerry Collins sucks
(and I agree with you completely on this; Wilson isn’t the key to a national championship)
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
And Wisconsin's offense isn't unstoppable.
They seem unstoppable until you remember that their best linemen are gone and that they have sucked before against good defenses when they’re depleted.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
You guys want to do a Pretty Little Liars open thread?
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
Same Wisconsin team we're used to?
A Wisconsin team that was only 3-2 vs. the Sagarin top 59 (which included two 1 point wins that easily could’ve gone the other way), lost a ridiculously accurate QB, their leading rusher, and 3 of the top 47 draft picks besides is the #9 team in the country?
It will be the same 8-4 Wisconsin we’re used to.
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
"their leading rusher"
To be fair, I’m pretty sure White and Ball are better than Fat John Clay.
I agree with everything else, though.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
“Fat John Clay” sounds like a folk song title
"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.
You mean either White or Ball wasn't already the leading rusher for Wisconsin in 2010?
Well color me surprised.
by The Mexican't on Aug 9, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Fat John Clay was pretty nasty
averaged 5.4 ypc while only having two runs over 20 yards all year long. Sure, only having 2 over 20 isn’t very good, but that’s insane between the tackles consistency. Iowa is the only team that held him under 4.7 ypc while getting at least 13 carries (Purdue and Northwestern also did it, but he combined for 19 carries in those two games.).
In the obligatory WTF was the Bielema / Chryst braintrust thinking comment: he averaged 6.9 ypc against TCU. He had 11 carries.
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
I probably could have run for 4.0 ypc behind that Wisco OL last year.
Clay was fine; I just think White and Ball were better.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I don't necessarily disagree overall
Just that losing a 1000+ yard rusher who averaged 5.4 ypc, 12 carries — 7.9 ypc when the team was losing by 8 or more points (Ball: 8 carries — 3.4 ypc, White: 6 carries — 7.0 ypc), is going to hurt.
Also: 81 of Clay’s yards came when Wisconsin was winning by 22 or more points. 312 of White’s yards and 202 of Ball’s yards came in the same situation.
Clay may not have been the flashiest or biggest home run threat, but he was Wisconsin’s best back when it mattered.
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
Fair enough.
Just that losing a 1000+ yard rusher who averaged 5.4 ypc, 12 carries — 7.9 ypc when the team was losing by 8 or more points (Ball: 8 carries — 3.4 ypc, White: 6 carries — 7.0 ypc), is going to hurt.
That’s not a terribly big sample size for any of those backs. Wisconsin rarely trailed by 8+ points last year. (It seems like they rarely trailed, period.)
Also: 81 of Clay’s yards came when Wisconsin was winning by 22 or more points. 312 of White’s yards and 202 of Ball’s yards came in the same situation.
Most of those huge leads came in their games near the end of the season, so I suppose you could also spin that data to say that those two also did a lot to help Wisconsin get those obscene leads.
Bielema seemed to forget that Ball even existed until the last drive of the Iowa game, though, which reduced his numbers a bit. He had a grand total of 46 carries before that game. Over the last five games, he had almost 780 yards rushing and14 TD, which is some incredible production. Had he gotten more reps earlier in the season, he may have gotten over 1500 yards and 25 TD last year.
When the keys were handed over more to Ball and White in the last 4-5 games, the offense fucking exploded (granted, they were also playing weaker defenses). Ball, in particular, can duplicate a lot of the production lost from Clay, IMO.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I'd argue you can hardly over-emphasize the weaknesses of the defenses Wisconsin was playing.
Their last four regular games were against Purdue, Indiana, Michigan, and Northwestern. Purdue was mediocre and would have been ghastly if they hadn’t had the best defensive player in the conference. Indiana was the usual Indiana. Michigan was like a typical Indiana defense, if not worse – OH, HOW I LOVED WRITING THAT. And Northwestern got torn to shreds by Penn State’s offensive line, the same line that frequently struggled to run the ball consistently.
Three of those defenses were basically wretched, and, unsurprisingly, the flatly mediocre one was the only unit that held Wisconsin under 40.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
The "Also" part
were yards obtained when Wisconsin was already up by that many points. Those yards had nothing whatsoever to do with obtaining those leads. There’s really no way to spin it other than those are garbage yards.
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
Yes, I know that.
Perhaps I wasn’t very clear. Those garbage yards came largely in games near the end of the season, which is when Ball took over the lead runner role from Clay. Ball and White were the ones running the ball in those and providing Wisconsin with those obscene leads.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
he averaged 6.9 ypc against TCU. He had 11 carries.
Before that game I slightly disliked Wisconsin. Now I hate them.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
John Clay was born in northern woods
to woman of unusual girth
and she left him there as soon as she could
to recover from the monstrous birth
A man of a child they say
on the day he was born
15 pounds did he weigh
FAT…JOHN…CLAY
John Clay suckled on a she-bear’s teat
was weened on waffles and steak
by the time he was 5 he lost sight of his feet
and wheezed with each breathe he would take
a friend to varmints they say
with the downy beaver
he ate all day
FAT…JOHN…CLAY
John Clay could hit like a load of bricks
and violence was his game
he fell in with an enormous prick
and with the Badgers he rose to fame
a heisman for this man they say
he can execute the pass
or running play
FAT…JOHN…CLAY
John Clay was close to glory then
a man like none before
when the Badgers fell to Ohio’s sin
and Iowa came to the fore
weak ankles brought low the power that day
hobbled and winced
he wanted to play
FAT…JOHN…CLAY
"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.
by Lycurgus on Aug 9, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Better
I’m working a booth.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
Kissing booth?
Calvin Booth? Either way, make sure you’re up to date on your vaccinations.
Oh, and get as many samples of New Glarus’ Unplugged series as you can.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 9, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I still can't believe an NBA player actually played for Penn State.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't buy the idea that Nebraska represents a different challenge for B1G teams.
At least not in the same way that B1G defenses present a new challenge to Nebraska.
Nebraska football as described by Michael seems to fit the mold of current B1G teams. Ohio State is fast, strong defensively, extremely talented. Some Penn State teams could fit that description, as well. Now, obviously Ohio State has dominated the B1G in recent years, but I think it’s a bit of a stretch to assume that Nebraska represents a different type of football than the B1G is used to seeing.
Great podcast. It’s nice to have legitimate football discussions again.
I agree.
There’s nothing Nebraska does that plenty of other Big Ten teams haven’t been doing for a while, on offense and defense. The perception of the Big Ten as an I-form league and “three yards and a cloud of dust” is woefully out of date (and I don’t think that’s really what Michael was saying, but it still seems to be out there as a general belief).
So T-Magic runs from the quarterback position? That’s nice — we’ve seen Denard Robinson and Terrelle Pryor in recent years, plus the last decade of jNW quarterbacks, to name a few. If they want to line up and try and maul you with a big running back… well, hello, Wisconsin. And Ohio State and Michigan State (at times). There’s a pretty good variety of offenses on display in the Big Ten right now.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Honestly, it will be nice to have another smash mouth team in the league. Also, I think Iowa’s defenses have generally done well against the type of offense Nebraska runs.
"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.
I just can't wait until jNW and PSU both have better offensive stats and results than UN-L.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Does Nebraska use a dump-off or bail-out receiver type?
Because Nebraska as run by “TMagic” seems similar to Shoelace’s Michigan. If a second running threat isn’t there, now that Helu is gone, it may just be a matter of containing Martinez and making him win the game with his arm. Iowa has proven in recent years that their defense is built to do just that (with the exception of the 4Q in Evanston).
by The Mexican't on Aug 9, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not sure with regard to your first question, but I think Iowa tends to do alright with a run-heavy spread-type thing.
"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.
Denard got his yards, but he wasn't going to pile up enough points to win.
As for Nebraska, the only person who really believes Taylor Martinez is even 1/4 as dynamic a running threat as Denard Robinson is some guy named Bob from Fremont or something.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
As long as it doesn’t rain lumps of meat, I am confident that Nebraska isn’t going to run roughshod over the conference.
"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.
It's going to rain lumps of meat
When Iowa puts the wood to DoorMat or whatever his name is.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Aug 9, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
If Martinez can make some of the throws that Persa made in that game, I'll eat my hat.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Big deal, you're wearing a pork chop hat.
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Aug 9, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Down here we have to settle for hats made from cotton bolls
"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.
Amana meats makes the very best in fall outerwear
"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.
Please tell me Amana Meats
isn’t the name of a brothel.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 9, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
It isn’t. Socialists don’t believe in nudity for entertainment
"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.
The retro BHGPod theme makes me feel nostalgic.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
For last decade.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 9, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
EVERYTHING WAS BETTER THEN, KYLE
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Wow, last year's jNW game really did change you.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 9, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
That looks like a typo. I think you were looking for:
EVERYTHING IS BETTER THAN KYLE
by The Mexican't on Aug 9, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought everyone knew that.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Cactus enemas are not better than Kyle
"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.
Tommie Frazier is not a better NFL player than Kyle.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
But he always beats me at tic-tac-toe.
He’s got a knack for untimely blockages.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 9, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
You clearly haven't seen the stubble on my member.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 9, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Civil war (roman or otherwise) discussions are not better than Kyle
"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.
Liar.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm a terrible speller.
Which is why your BHGP jersey will read “Mexicunt”
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 9, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Oh, that's quite good.
A rec for you, sir.
by The Mexican't on Aug 9, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Good pod
Still not watching Pretty Little Liars.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Aug 10, 2011 10:58 AM CDT reply actions
Do it. Watch it. Do it.
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by InTheBleachers on Aug 12, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
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