We Must Break You Is Looking Ahead
(Ed. Note -- Don't fret: more football posts coming soon, true believers. -- Ross)
There are still many months to go until the 2011-2012 wrestling season gets underway, but that doesn't mean that we can't spare a little time to break out our crystal balls and see how the season (and, more importantly, the NCAA Tournament) might play out. Last year Iowa was thwarted in their efforts at a four-peat; is there reason to hope for better fortune this season? According to this early forecast from The Wrestling Report... yes.
Here's a nice table breaking down the rankings for wrestlers at the top six contenders for the NCAA title. The weights highlighted in gold are projected All-Americans. Keep in mind that this table (and the Wrestling Report rankings it's derived from) does not include incoming freshmen, some of whom could shake things up. It probably doesn't impact Iowa's team (none of our incoming freshmen are projected to challenge for starting spots this year), but it's possible that some of the other contenders could have true freshmen making noise this year (Penn State, for instance).
125
What's changed since spring? Not too much. The top four of these rankings are the four returning All-Americans (McD, Minnesota's Zach Sanders, Stanford's Ryan Mango, and Oklahoma's Jarrod Patterson). In addition, many of the guys I tabbed as worth mentioning have cracked the rankings (Kent State's Nic Bedelyon, Missouri's Alan Waters, Oklahoma State's Jon Morrison, Iowa State's Ryak Finch). Two guys of note appear to have moved up to 133: Ohio State's Logan Stieber and Purdue's Cashe Quiroga. In addition, TWR has Ohio State's other stud option at this weight, Nikko Triggas, taking a redshirt year to train for the Olympics.
What about the other contenders? Only Oklahoma State and Minnesota have projected All-Americans at this weight (Sanders and Morrison, respectively). Penn State has some interesting options here, though, particuarly stud incoming freshman Nico Megaludis.
What's it look like for Iowa? Very, very good. McD's the most decorated wrestler returning at this weight as a two-time finalist and the 2010 NCAA champion and he's beaten almost everyone else in the top ten. The only guys who have given him problems during his career have been Angelo Escobedo (defeated McD at 2010 Big Ten Tournament; graduated), Andrew Long (0-4 against McDonough, but all very close matches; out of wrestling), Brandon Precin (1-3 against McD; graduated), and Anthony Robles (defeated McD at 2011 NCAA Tournament; graduated) -- and they're all gone. McD is 4-0 against Sanders (6-4, 13-2, 8-0,10-3) and 3-0 against Mango (12-4, 11-0, 10-1). If he stays at 125, McDonough will be a heavy favorite to become a three-time national finalist and a two-time national champion.
133
What's changed since spring? Not too much. Purdue's Cashe Quiroga and Ohio State's Logan Stieber are evidently moving up to 133 from 125. Last year's fifth place finisher at the NCAA Tournament, Wisconsin's Tyler Graff, is taking a redshirt in 2011-2012 and last year's fourth place finisher, Central Michigan's Scotti Sentes, might be doing the same thing. Oh, and last year's third place finisher and a key member of Penn State's Big Ten and NCAA champion teams left the program while in the midst of a sexual assault scandal. Which is kind of a big deal. There's also some chatter that last year's national champion, Oklahoma State's Jordan Oliver, could move up to 141, but it's hard to know how much stock to put in that talk (the same rumors were floating around before last season... and Oliver just went out and smoked the field at 133 anyway). But if Oliver does move up and Sentes and Graff do redshirt? That, coupled with Andrew Long's departure, would make for a wiiiide open field at 133 next year.
What about the other contenders? A few weeks ago, this looked like a dynamite weight for both Penn State and Oklahoma State; now that's less certain. Assuming Oliver stays at 133 (and I think he probably will), he'll be the odds-on favorite to repeat as national champion, giving Okie State a good boost here. Penn State, though, has gone from having a massive strength to a big hole at this weight -- and it's not helped by the fact that one of Long's main understudies, Sam Sherlock, has reportedly gotten into a little trouble of his own this offseason. All of the turmoil at 133 could be great news for Minnesota, though; David Thorn was on the outside looking in a year ago, but another year of improvement coupled with a winnowed down field could definitely see him slide into All-America contention.
What's it look like for Iowa? Better than it did a few weeks ago, that's for sure. Removing Long and Graff from the equation opens up the Big Ten considerably and makes Tony Ramos one of the favorites in the league and a good bet to crack All-America status nationally. That said, Iowa's biggest improvement could come from within if Ramos is able to correct some of the deficits in his own game (such as his ability to escape). Of course, that depends on Ramos still keeping the spot at 133; he was in a pitched battle with Nate Moore and Tyler Clark a year ago and both guys are still at that weight. Either way, Iowa should have a very good chance to get an All-American at this weight.
141
What's changed since spring? Very little, actually. The biggest change is the "news" that Cal Poly's Boris Novachkov, last year's NCAA Tournament runner-up, is due back this season. And that's only "news" because I had him down as a senior last year. Other than that, Pitt's Tyler Nauman, expected to contend for All-America honors, has moved up to 149 and Penn State's Andrew Alton is still expected to redshirt.
What about the other contenders? Not counting Iowa's Montell Marion, the best wrestlers at this weight are Michigan's Kellen Russell (the defending national champ) and Novachkov. Penn State would have a likely All-America contender if Alton didn't redshirt, but it sounds like a done deal that he'll be sitting out this year. But his replacement is so unclear Wrestling Report didn't even list a Penn State wrestler in their top 33. Whoever gets the nod will probably be pretty good -- but they may not be a near-lock for All-American, the way Alton probably was. Meanwhile, Oklahoma State has Josh Kindig, a top 15 wrestler a year ago looking to break into the All-America ranks, while Minnesota has an intriguing option in redshirt freshman Nick Dardanes. He's probably the best bet to challenge the Russell-Marion duopoly in the Big Ten. Lehigh also checks in here with Steve Dutton, a potential All-American.
What's it look like for Iowa? Very good. Perhaps not quite as good as at 125 (where McD is a heavy favorite to be national champion), but still rather strong: Russell, Marion, and Novachkov are the only returning All-Americans at this weight and while Marion wasn't able to beat Russell, he came achingly close on a few occasions. If he can get his mental game to match his incredible physical gifts, he'll be tough for anyone to beat this year, which would give Iowa yet another points machine come NCAA Tournament time.
149
What's changed since spring? The biggest change was the seismic shift at the top, where Cornell's Kyle Dake, the defending national champion, is expected to move to his third different weight in three years (157). The only other change of note was the addition of Pitt's Nauman, moving up from 141, expected to be an All-America contender at his new weight.
What about the other contenders? And now we reach our first weight where Iowa's contenders have far better options at this weight than the Hawkeyes. Dake's departure clears the way for last year's runner-up, Penn State's Frank Molinaro, last seen getting ridden like a camel across the Sahara by Dake in the finals. But PSU isn't the only contender with a strong option at this weight: Oklahoma State returns an All-American and legit title contender in Jamal Parks and Minnesota has the latest member of the Ness family, Dylan, who spent his redshirt year pinning his way through the competition and generating considerable buzz.
What's it look like for Iowa? Well, that all depends on a few tiny things: namely, the ligaments in Dylan Carew's knees. If he's fully recovered from double-knee surgery, he gives Iowa an option at this weight that ought to be pretty solid and be a potential All-America contender (although probably not a title contender like Molinaro or Parks). If he's not fully recovered, though, Iowa's options are to see how far a half-fit Carew can take them (probably not onto the podium at 149) or to see what one of the fabulous Ballweg brothers might be able to do. Mark Ballweg moved up from 141 last year when Marion returned to claim his starting spot, but he struggled mightily with opponents who tended to be noticeably bigger than him. If he's dedicated to making a run at 149, hopefully he's spent the offseason bulking up. And if it's not Mark, then perhaps Jake, the youngest and, according to some observers, the most talented of the Ballwegs. The good news is that it wouldn't take much at all for Iowa to see an upgrade at 149 in 2011-2012, considering this was the only weight where they failed to qualify anyone at last year's NCAA Tournament. The bad news is that even without Dake this could be a pretty tricky weight to navigate, especially in the Big Ten, which comprises almost half of Wrestling Report's top ten.
157
What's changed since spring? One 900-lb. gorilla at the top of the weight class left (Penn State's David Taylor), while another 900-lb. gorilla at the top of the weight class (Cornell's Kyle Dake) moved in. That was the only real change at this weight, and it's unclear how big of an effect it will have on the team title race, but more on that below.
What about the other contenders? Taylor's move from 157 to 165 solves the big hole Penn State had at that weight, but creates a new one at 157. There are some talented (on paper) options for them to turn to, like Dylan Alton (who redshirted last year) or Jim Vollrath, but it's unclear if they'll provide more points at 157 than whoever Penn State would have sent out at 165 if Taylor had opted to stay at 157. Still, Penn State is likely going from an almost sure-fire NCAA finalist to a complete unknown (but probably not another NCAA finalist), which is a blow. Oklahoma State has senior Albert White, Minnesota might have redshirt freshman Jake Deitchler, who has a ton of upside, and Cornell has the aforementioned Dake.
What's it look like for Iowa? If Derek St. John stays at 157, things probably look very good for Iowa. St. John's season got off to a rocky start, but he started turning things around in January and went on an absolute tear from then on, losing only to Taylor and American's beastly Steve Fittery. Well, Taylor's moving up to 165 and Fittery's graduated; Dake will present a formidable challenge, but if DSJ can build upon his late-season performance last year, being an NCAA finalist isn't out of the question for him this year -- which would be a nice boost for Iowa (particularly since, on paper, this doesn't look like a weight where their major rivals will get a ton of points).
165
What's changed since spring? Big shake-ups at the top of the weight, with perennial kingpin Andrew Howe of Wisconsin taking an Olympic redshirt and last year's NCAA runner-up, Oklahoma's Tyler Caldwell (now at Nebraska) also redshirting. Plus, there's David Taylor's already-mentioned move up from 157 to 165; he may already be the NCAA Tournament favorite with those two sitting out this year.
What about the other contenders? Penn State gets a massive boost at this weight, going from not even having an NCAA qualifier in 2011 to having the presumptive NCAA Tournament favorite in 2012. Neither Oklahoma State nor Minnesota had an All-American last year, but that could change in 2012: Dallas Bailey was just on the outside looking in for the Pokes and Cody Yohn should enter the season as a fringe All-American for the Gophers.
What's it look like for Iowa? Aaron Janssen just missed out being an All-American last year, dropping out in the Round of 12; how much they're able to improve on that weight could depend on which Hawkeye takes control of this weight. Assuming DSJ stays at 157, the most likely contenders are redshirt freshmen Nick Moore and Michael Kelly (as well as, possibly, the loser of the Ethen Lofthouse-Mike Evans duel at 174). Moore was a bit better than Kelly at 165 last year (the results were a little more pro-Kelly at 157). The Wrestling Report slots him in at #15; the only redshirt freshman to rank higher was Nebraska's Robert Kokesh (9th). Moore has a lot of potential, but if he gets the nod, he'll need to do well from the get-go in order for Iowa to keep up with their rivals at this weight.
174
What's changed since spring? Until recently, not very much -- the most significant change was the fact that fringe All-America contender Austin Meys of Lehigh was ruled out of the lineup (medical issues). And then Ed Ruth decided to do a little drankin' and fightin'. Of course, there are some key differences between Ruth's situation and that of his troublemaking teammate Andrew Long: Long's charges are far more serious and Ruth hasn't left the team (or been suspended yet). And even if he is suspended, it's entirely possible that he'd be back in time for the Big Ten and NCAA Tournaments.
What about the other contenders? A lot depends on what happens with Ruth, frankly. If he's suspended for the season (or if he's removed from the team, either voluntarily or involuntarily), that's a significant blow to Penn State and possibly too much for them to overcome on top of the loss of Long. If he stays, he'll be expected to match or improve upon his third-place finish at last year's NCAA Tournament. Oklahoma State is the only other contender with a notable guy at this weight; Mike Benefiel was a fringe All-American contender last year, but could be a solid All-American this year.
What's it look like for Iowa? Ethen Lofthouse missed out on being an All-American last year and he might miss out on a roster spot altogether this year, despite having a pretty solid season a year ago. If he does find himself the odd man out, it's because heavily-hyped Mike Evans has muscled his way into the lineup, which could be very exciting news indeed. Still, whether it's Lofthouse or Evans, Iowa should be in line for an upgrade at this weight in 2012. Five of eight 2011 All-Americans are gone (six of eight if Ruth isn't able to wrestle this year) and while there are some talented faces ready to fill that void (including Ohio State's Nick Heflin, Illinois' Jordan Blanton, Iowa State's Chris Spangler, and Okie State's Benefiel), this is one of the more wide-open weights nationally and a prime opportunity for Iowa to pick up some points on their rivals (especially if Ruth doesn't compete this year).
184
What's changed since spring? Only one significant change: Wisconin's Travis Rutt (last year's 7th place finisher at the NCAA Tournament) is taking a redshirt year. Sidenote: you can remove Wisconsin from any possible "Big Ten challenger" or "dark horse NCAA contender" talk; they have way too many guys redshirting or not showing up yet (like Destin McCauley and Jesse Thielke). Just finishing in the upper half of the Big Ten may be asking a lot of them.
What about the other contenders? 184 is the most loaded weight nationally (prior to Rutt's redshirt, all eight 2011 All-Americans were slated to return in 2012) and that holds true among the title contenders, as every single one of them has a potential All-American on their roster. Penn State has the current king of the hill in reigning Big Ten and NCAA champion Quentin Wright, but Lehigh brings back Robert Hamlin, last year's NCAA runner-up and Cornell returns Steve Bosak, last year's 4th place finisher. Oklahoma State and Minnesota don't return All-Americans to their lineup, but in Chris Perry and Kevin Steinhaus they have a pair of guys who were fringe All-Americans and who are easily capable of beating any of the actual All-Americans (Steinhaus, for instance, beat Wright last year). Anyone who claims to be able to predict what's going to happen at this weight is a filthy lying liar.
What's it look like for Iowa? On the bright side, Iowa returns last year's surprise 3rd place finisher at the NCAA Tournament, Grant Gambrall. On the down side, between Gambrall's maddening inconsistency and the overall depth of this weight class, it wouldn't really be a surprise or an upset at all if he went from a 3rd place finish to not even being an All-American. This weight class is simply impossible to predict with any accuracy. It's conceivable that Gambrall matches (and perhaps even betters) his 3rd place finish... but it's probably not terribly likely. Our best bet may be to hope that Wright isn't able to repeat and neither Perry nor Steinhaus break through in a big way. Considering how tight the team title race appears to be, every point could be precious, especially at a weight like this where the contenders will be going toe-to-toe for top honors.
197
What's changed since spring? We know the answer to this question all too well, unfortunately: blue-chip transfer Cayle Byers never made it to Iowa City and instead will by plying his trade in Stillwater in 2011-2012. That wasn't the only significant move, though: defending national champion Dustin Kilgore (of Kent State) is taking a redshirt this year. That decision (and the graduation-induced departures of four of the other top-six finalists a year ago) leaves things wide open at the top of the weight...
What about the other contenders? ...which offers up a prime opportunity to some of the top contenders. Cornell's Cam Simaz (last year's third place finisher) finds himself in the catbird seat, but Oklahoma State (Byers) and Minnesota (Yohn) also have highly-ranked contenders who will be favorites to become All-Americans and push for a national championship. Even Lehigh as an All-America option here in Joe Kennedy. Penn State doesn't have a surefire option here, but if they burn true freshman Morgan McIntosh's redshirt, he could be a legitimate threat to push for an All-America spot: he enters college with a mountain of hype and, by some accounts, the physical strength to be a threat even as a true frosh.
What's it look like for Iowa? There's no point sugarcoating things here: with Uncle Luke's departure and Cayle Byers' never-was tenure, Iowa's in a pretty deep hole here. Along with 149, this weight is the biggest question mark in Iowa's lineup; unlike 149, it's hard to say if Iowa even has any decent options at this weight. Unless there's a shock transfer in the next few months (and there's been no talk to suggest that, at all), Iowa's probably looking at either a massively slimmed down Brodie Ambrose or a bulked up Vinnie Wagner at this weight. Ambrose didn't wrestle a single match for Iowa last year and reportedly needs to lose a lot of weight to make it down to 197 this year. He's reportedly committed to doing so in order to end his Iowa career with a bang and boost the Hawkeyes' national title hopes, but... there's a long way to go yet. I have no idea what to expect out of this weight in 2011-2012, although it would probably be wise to lower expectations from Uncle Luke's All America finish last year and Byers' NCAA finalist potential. On the bright side, this isn't a particularly nasty weight, nationally, so it may not be as hard to wring a few points out of this weight as it would be at other weights.
HWT
What's changed since spring? Not a thing, actually. As The Wrestling Report notes, there's a possibility that Central Michigan's Jared Trice could take an Olympic redshirt, but it's not confirmed yet. Other than that, though, things look pretty much like they did a few months ago.
What about the other contenders? Heavyweight is, by its nature, a fairly unpredictable weight since the matches tend to be very tight and determined by which wrestler can get a takedown. That situation is only exacerbated when seven of eight All-Americans (or six of eight if Trice sits out) return and there's no dominant wrestler among them. Suffice to say, this could easily be a fatter, more boring version of the chaos we're likely to see at 184. And, like 184, most of the contenders have fairly high-end options at this weight. Lehigh returns the reigning national champion in Zack Rey, Minnesota returns an All-American in Tony Nelson, and Penn State returns a fringe All-American in Cameron Wade. Oklahoma State has their own potential All-American option in Alan Gelogaev, the Mad Russian.
What's it look like for Iowa? That's still very much TBD. Blake Rasing is back and he did win the Big Ten Tournament in 2011. Of course, he also went 1-2 and crashed out of the NCAA Tournament in uninspiring fashion. If Rasing isn't the guy at heavyweight, it'll be highly touted redshirt freshman Bobby Telford, who was impressive during his redshirt season (albeit against lower-level competition in most cases). Telford's smaller than Rasing and doesn't resemble a shaved bear, but he's also quicker and more aggressive; at the very least, heavyweight matches ought to be more exciting if Telford is the guy next year. Could either Rasing or Telford improve on Iowa's dismal showing at the NCAA Tournament in 2011? Sure. Could either guy also crash out in an early round at the 2012 NCAA Tournament? Yep. That's life in the heavyweight division, especially one featuring as many returning All-Americans as the 2012 heavyweight crop.
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If the projected team scores for The Wrestling Report pan out, we could be in line for an absurdly tense and exciting title race: they have Iowa edging Oklahoma State by one measly point. Based on their projected standings, it looks like essentially a three-team race between Iowa, Oklahoma State, and Penn State. I think that's largely true, although I wouldn't dismiss MInnesota, either: they rank behind those three at this stage because they have more question marks, but a lot of those question marks have very high upsides. If they get going, they could easily outpace their projections here and find themselves in the thick of the national title picture with a host of All-Americans. Cornell and Lehigh each have a handful of high-end wrestlers, but they don't have the overall depth of the other teams.
The Long departure brings Penn State back to the pack and should make for a fascinating team race between Iowa, Penn State, Oklahoma State, and (potentially) Minnesota. Oklahoma State and Minnesota have the most projected All-Americans here (7 apiece), while Penn State has the most projected finalists (4), and Iowa has the most projected top-5 finishers (6). That said, I'm not necessarily confident in Iowa living up to all of those top-5 finishes, which means they'll likely need some guys with lesser projections to step up. Fortunately, I think whoever wins the battles at 149, 165, and HWT is definitely capable of doing just that. Despite this projection, I don't think Iowa is the team title favorite heading into the season (I'd still tip Penn State slightly; we saw last year how far having a lot of NCAA finalists can carry a team), but they're definitely in the mix -- and it should be one hell of a race.
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as always, a phenomenal write-up
feeling a little better with all redshirts and legal issues going on elsewhere.
Though
Barry is going to have a force with him in 2012, that is, assuming those freshmen pan out.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
There is some scuttlebutt that some of those guys who aren't in Badgerland this year, also won't be back next year.
Time will tell.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Ross, great write-up.
Is there no longer any hope for a JC transfer at 197 for this season?
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
I wonder if there is a JUCO prospect out there that would be much of a step up from what we have. I suspect the focus has probably shifted to doing the best with what they have in the room and trying to recruit a good 97 lber for next year. This has been a hole of a weight since Zalesky was coach.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
I haven't seen a peep about a potential 197 transfer, sadly.
I think we’ll just have to make do with what we have on hand. Somebody pass Brodie the tequila and a chainsaw.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Aug 30, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Somewhat OT: I just saw this video on youtube
The Last Ride
I am sorry if it has been posted already on BHGP but it has some good Iowa wrestling clips and I loved the final clip of Brands, Ironside and Gable.
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
Good stuff here RWB - thanks.
Looks like it’s going to be a very competitive and compelling B1G and NCAA Tournament again this year.
Ruth will be back, probably.
There is nothing to suggest that what happened was anything more than a good kid making a mistake.
Still, it sucks, because that stuff sticks to a man’s reputation, and, jeez, I just really love Ed Ruth as a wrestler and a person.
Now let's go surprise Harry Heth!
If the police report is accurate, I think his offense went a little bit beyond "college kids bein' college kids!"
The employee told police he asked Ruth to leave, but Ruth flipped the employee onto his back and punched him, police said.
That said, is this alone enough to get him kicked off the team permanently? Probably not. But these things don’t get viewed in a vacuum and this hasn’t been a particularly good off-season for our nouveau riche pals in Happy Valley. At the very least, I’d expect him to be on a pretty tight leash.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
He was only doing what comes natural to a wrestler.
Of course he would get him on his back before punching him.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 30, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
He's ready for the UFC right now!
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
No way does Cael bench Ruth
after losing Long. Penn State will find a way to punish him without punishing him.
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
We're not Florida State.
I don’t get why people think Penn State would hire a guy like what you’uns think Cael is.
Now let's go surprise Harry Heth!
by ReadingRambler on Aug 30, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Not a put down of Cael
But like Iowa and Brands, Penn State is paying Cael to win National Championships; and like Brands found a way to reinstate a guy with three strikes, I am sure that Cael will find a way of getting Ruth back by Big Ten Tourney time at the latest.
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
Honestly, il have no problem if Ruth comes back
just dont give him a free pass. make him jump through alot of hoops ala Marion
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 30, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't object to what you're saying now.
What I object to is the statement, “punish him without punishing him.”
One of my pet peeves is watching people criticize their own teams and their rival teams when they don’t have a full grasp of the facts. This is why I almost never say anything about such stuff like what’s happened with Ruth, because I don’t know about Cael’s policies and thus I have nothing substantive to say. But I’m fairly confident that Penn State would not have hired someone who wouldn’t find a way to ensure that the proper punishment – one that builds Ruth as an individual – will be found.
Now let's go surprise Harry Heth!
by ReadingRambler on Aug 30, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
builds Ruth as an individual....
and keeps Penn State in the NC hunt. Hawkeye fans, Penn State fans or Cornell fans are no different; they will forgive almost any transgression if the transgressor is a winner. I know this may invite criticism (fortunately BHGP posters are more erudite than other fansites) but we all do it. Ruth and Marion are not much different. There are the Longs and the Pierces of the athletic community who commit unforgivable offenses but short of committing felonies, we sports fans are a very forgiving lot. This doesn’t mean that the fans from every other Big Ten school won’t ridicule Cael when he does let Ruth wrestle again, but Penn State will clutch him to their collective bosoms if he reaches the NCAA finals.
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
I didn't suggest it was just "college kids bein' college kids!"
What I would suggest is that Ed, for a variety of reasons, is probably more likely to recover from this than Long.
Now let's go surprise Harry Heth!
by ReadingRambler on Aug 30, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I challenge to a freestyle match. The winner takes all of the corn and apples he can carry. The loser digs a shame hole and lives in it with a grumpy, eccentric wombat who reads Jane Austin and cries in his sleep.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
by Lycurgus on Aug 30, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why are you sentencing the loser to live with himself?
Also, is Jane Austin a spoof writer of Jane Austen novels? Perhaps the risque retellings?
/wet blanket rides again
by PackerHawk on Aug 30, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fine, the loser has to live with PackerHawk for a week.
Good call on the proper spelling of Austen. I don’t read fiction books, especially those written about angst-ridden, pompous, Victorian women.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Packer is still my second favorite. As soon as CW recovers from the pink eye she contracted from constantly waking up with cat butt in her face, she will be third.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
I'm not grumpy
Nor am I a wombat. And I prefer the Bronte sisters to Jane Austen although I would rather read Proulx, McEwan, or Steinbeck.
You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar and I would be proud to know you.
I just finished Livy’s first five books and I will transition to Dio. I am almost through my first week of Latin and hopefully will get to a point where I can translate those fine fellows.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
In my head "grumpy, eccentric wombat" can be used to describe Rambler perfectly.
Also, I think it would be cool to live with an animal like that, especially if it can read. Good luck to the loser.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 30, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not doing freestyle.
Are you Chechen or something?
Folkstyle or else.
Now let's go surprise Harry Heth!
by ReadingRambler on Aug 30, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Folkstyle then. You better go out and get yourself some earplugs, because I am going to cradle you right into the arms of one dejected marsupial.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
I am going to cradle you right into the arms of one dejected marsupial.
This just sounds so dirty but I would pay money for a few 8X10 glossies.
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
You can buy autographed copies from PackerHawk on your way out.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
I am still stunned that an Iowan would suggest freestyle.
And don’t try to say you’re “branching out” or some such crap, no self-respecting Pennsylvanian or Iowan should wrestle like a damn Rushin from the Kawkasis Mountains or whatever (Wherever the hell that is!)
Now let's go surprise Harry Heth!
by ReadingRambler on Aug 30, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, now I'm the dejected marsupial?
Yes, I have a belly, but it’s all mine, no pouch. Also, I’m on a bit of a hot streak with dates recently, so I’m more a a dejecting non-marsupial…
Ross
Here, here! The Hawks are going to ride herd on all the silly bitches (i.e., Smith, Sanderson, Ryan) this year. The unbeaten streak will continue in perpetuity.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Poor J Robinson doesn't even rank as a silly bitch anymore.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
You can blame all of CW's throat punches
"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney
by ClaybornSmash on Aug 30, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Someone had to end him.
I was only doing what comes natural to me.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 30, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Man, losing creepy facemask what's his name really hurt.
Iowa would be a clear favorite otherwise, no? Take points FROM #2 and add points TO #1.
meh
Did you forget his name in the time it took to go from the end of that post to making a comment?
But, yes, Iowa would be pretty solid favorites if Byers had made it to Iowa City, especially with Long out of the picture.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
This
But, yes, Iowa would be pretty solid favorites if Byers had made it to Iowa City, especially with Long out of the picture.
really chaps my ass.
Does anyone know why Byers spurned Iowa to go to Okie State of all places? Was he offered an extended test drive on a new Lexus and a hook-up on some fee tattoos?
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
Who knows, who cares?
maybe Iowa had a condition that he had to follow due to past problems, and Okie State said “no conditions”?
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 30, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
More likely that
John Smith made him an offer he couldn’t refuse. Smith is hair’s width from becoming insignificant in college wrestling and the Big 12 (big three???) is on its way to losing wrestling as a varsity sport. Okie State needs a National Championship just to keep the ship from sinking.
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
What could he offer that Iowa couldnt?
A national title? Iowa could offer that. Elite training? we could offer that too. Scholarship? thats another thing i thought Iowa was willing to offer.
I just dont understand what they could offer that Iowa couldnt unless Iowa had conditions he had to fill due to past problems and OK State didnt.
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 30, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
What could he offer that Iowa couldnt
An open door.
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I was under the impression Iowa was offering that
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 30, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Not from what I have heard. It sounds like there was a roadblock somewhere in administration.
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plus a full ride. Iowa judt doesn't hand those out.
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
are you calling Beyers an oil checker?
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
I wasn't but maybe.
I was implying, not well apparently, that there is a lot of oil in OK and that T.Boone promised some of it to him.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 30, 2011 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
OK
Who knows, who cares?
I don’t know, that’s why I asked the question, and I do care.
I was curious if anyone had any insight on this. Your “conditions” theory makes a lot of sense. This whole thing just seems too deception. Like there is way more to this story than what they want us to know.
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
The rumor is that it was an administrative decision. Similar problem he encountered at PSU, I suppose.
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Thank you good sir!
I vaguely remember hearing something about that.
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
I hadn't read the post yet, just looked at the chart - saving for a rainy day. Oh wait... Anyway
What is that, assuming OSU has no 197 AA waiting in the wings. A 30 point swing between them?
meh
Ah, okay.
I don’t know what else Okie State had at 197, but I don’t think it was much more than what Iowa had without Byers. So, yeah, big swing.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
In other grappling news...
Ankeny heavyweight walking on at Iowa.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Sounds like a quality kid
You cant have too many team captains and former state champions on a team i say.
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 30, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahhhh. Iowa vs Okie State
Thats the way it was meant to be.
great write up. what i got from it is alot of how Iowa does depends on 1. Ambrose slimming down or someone else magically stepping up at 197, and 2. That amazing freshman class that redshirted last year living up to their potential.
cant wait for wrestling. first year in a long time (ever) that football is third on my most excited list
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 30, 2011 10:49 AM CDT reply actions
How do build a team around guys who want to prep for the Olympics?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"I would have fell to those aphrodisiacs that he was throwing around." ~ Michael Irvin
by Blackheartnopants on Aug 30, 2011 11:04 AM CDT reply actions
You can't.
Wisco in particular is just SOL this year. Iowa’s pretty fortunate that no one is opting to redshirt for that reason this year.
Although I’m also not sure how many Iowa guys could do that. Most Iowa guys redshirt their true freshman year. Olympic redshirts count separate, but they’re not easy to get. Looking at all the guys redshirting (or supposedly redshirting; nothing’s locked in yet, I imagine), I’m not sure how many guys fall into each category. I’m also not sure how many of these guys would be legit possibilities for the Olympic team — Howe would have the best shot, I think.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
The last Iowa guy to take an olympic redshirt year
may have been Lincoln.
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To qualify
I believe you need to have placed at the trials.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
If you recruit guys who have Olympic aspirations
that means some of your guys may give the Olympics a shot
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"I would have fell to those aphrodisiacs that he was throwing around." ~ Michael Irvin
by Blackheartnopants on Aug 30, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure.
In a lot of cases, it’s a timing thing, though. The Olympics only come around once every four years, after all. They’ll also still be there after your time in college is done.
I’m sure Iowa has guys who do have Olympic aspirations — McD, for instance, seems like a likely bet — but maybe they don’t feel like they’re ready now.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Im genuinly suprised McD isnt
Figured with his dominance of his weight class he would be trying out.
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 30, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh
it is a different style of wrestling and with the way the international rules read, McD’s aggressiveness and stamina are not favored. The kid is built to be a folkstyle champ and will probably need to change it up a bit to be elite internationally. I think he is focused on the collegiate stuff right now.
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Whoops! How do you build ...
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"I would have fell to those aphrodisiacs that he was throwing around." ~ Michael Irvin
by Blackheartnopants on Aug 30, 2011 11:14 AM CDT reply actions
Sorry if this has been asked before
Are coaches having to fold MMA into their recruiting pitch, or is the focus totally wrestling?
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by Blackheartnopants on Aug 30, 2011 1:40 PM CDT reply actions
I have no idea
but I still don’t see MMA as the primary, or even secondary, career choice for most ex-collegiate wrestlers. I know that the rise of MMA can be beneficial to wrestling, but, personally, I see the quality of wrestling in that activity as stylistically unrefined. A lot of these ex-college guys are technically so much more advanced than the basic takedown offense/defense that translates to success in MMA.
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I don't think it's an active component in recruiting, no.
I do think that a lot of guys recognize that having a college wrestling base is beneficial to a future career in MMA, though.
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So it's settled as McD 125/Ramos 133 and not switching as possibly thought?
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
Nothing's official.
But there’s been no reason to think otherwise for the time being.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Thanks for putting in the work, Ross
A couple thoughts:
- Wisco’s gonna be fun to watch this season as offseason. If Thielke & McCauley do proceed, they’ll surely be beast in 2013
- PSU’s 157 may also be James English. Matrroom reports are it’s a three way dead heat. With the state of the field at that weight, homer hopes are that any of them are capable of AA. In any case, we’re looking at 157/165 together and being a big improvement over last year’s combo at that weight: DT & hole.
- I’ll be real surprised if they DON’T save McIntosh’s RS for another year and send him out this year.
- Cornell sucks. Lehigh will score more than them this year.
Oh, yes
But in a different way than I was three weeks ago.
Now I’m excited more for the thrill of the race.
He should go by Jim.
Jim English sounds like a potential All-American.
James English sounds like a high school teacher.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Jimmy English sounds like the villain's name in an Irish boxing movie
or the last words you hear before you are hit with a molotov cocktail in the streets of Belfast.
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by Lycurgus on Aug 30, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno
I’m still considering this, tho I do like Ly’s suggestion below. James English hails from Amish country, so this kinda fits. I’ve only watched one video/interview with him, and he does seem fairly refined. The combination of badass and articulate is one I’ve always been fond of.
Ultimately, tho, if he can’t beat out Alton & Vollrath this year, the point will be rather moo.
If he was really Amish, his name would be Damn English.
Now let's go surprise Harry Heth!
by ReadingRambler on Aug 31, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, it's interesting to look at where teams stand to improve or regress based on last year.
Just looking at Iowa and PSU (since that’s all we care about, right?)… (and I meant to include this in the original post, but it was 4000 words already, soo…)
125
Iowa: hold steady; hopefully a slight improvement (champ!)
PSU: improve to fringe A-A? (wouldn’t take much to exceed Pataky’s efforts last year)
133
Iowa: improve to A-A
PSU: definite downgrade
141
Iowa: hold steady, hopefully a slight improvement (champ!)
PSU: slight downgrade?
149
Iowa: definite upgrade (any points would be better than last year)
PSU: hold steady, maybe a slight improvement (champ?)
157
Iowa: hold steady, hopefully a slight improvement (champ? runner-up to Dake?)
PSU: definite downgrade, maybe still fringe A-A potential
165
Iowa: improvement; hopefully get to A-A status
PSU: massive upgrade, from 0 pts to potential national champ
174
Iowa: improvement; get to A-A status
PSU: hold steady, slight improvement? (if Ruth there, at least)
184
Iowa: no idea
PSU: no idea
197
Iowa: definite downgrade
PSU: upgrade; fringe A-A potential?
HWT
Iowa: no idea
PSU: no idea
I really have no idea what to expect from Iowa and PSU at 184 and HWT. They’re clearly talented enough to A-A and, in the case of 184, win the whole thing. But a bad draw here or a bad break or two there and they could also finish out of A-A contention, given how nasty those weights are. Realistically, I think something along the lines of last year is probalby realistic, with maybe a slight downgrade for both at 184 (though at this point I’d stake more on Wright repeating as champ than as Gambrall repeating in 3rd place).
It’s interesting. Iowa is downgrading at 197 for sure, I think. They might be downgrading at 184. They should upgrade at 149 no matter what. They have room (and a strong likelihood) of making slight improvements at 125 and 141. They also have the potential for moderate improvement at 157 and a good chance at making fairly significant improvement (i.e., no A-A to A-A) at 133 and 174. Maybe at 165, too.
PSU is downgrading from two potential national finalists at 133 and 157 to guys who will be doing well to get A-A status. But they’re also improving a zero at 165 to a potential NC. They might also be downgrading a little at 141. They could/should improve at 125 and 197. That said, I don’t see their guys there as more than fringe A-A contenders right now (even though I knew McIntosh is the new messiah and 197 is not a terribly strong weight).
It will be very tight, but I think Iowa has more potential to improve on last year’s point total than PSU. (Although in part that’s becasue you guys had, what, three finalists and five wrestlers in the top three? There’s less room for you to improve in that situation.)
And, of course, this doesn’t even factor in Okie State or Minnesota, who will be far more significant factors in the race this year than they were last year. Should be a fun ride.
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I expect Telford to get the call over Rasing
he just seems better to me, but thats a guess. the few times Rasing was aggressive he looked great, maybe even one of the two or three best in the nation, but he just isnt aggressive enough against many opponents when he should be.
As for 184, Gambrall is underrated. Call me optimistic, but i think he will be an All American again.
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 30, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Gambrall needs to be more consistent.
He was great in the NCAA Tournament, but he was pretty shitty in the weeks leading up to it.
Maybe he’s just one of those guys that brings it in the NCAA Tournament… I dunno.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Gambral is much like Jay Borschel
He will have at least one NC title before he is done and will AA his next two years. Can you ask much more from any wrestler?
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
If that's what he does... wonderful.
I would have no complaints at all about his career.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Ohio State won't compete.
I refuse to believe it. I will shoot myself before I believe it. They suck and they’re coached by an oompa-loompa and their fans diss wrestling on Twitter, just ask Carfino’sWay about it.
Now let's go surprise Harry Heth!
by ReadingRambler on Aug 30, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I got that wrong
They’re oompa-loompas coached by an Irishman!
Now let's go surprise Harry Heth!
by ReadingRambler on Aug 30, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Tom Ryan was very good looking when he was at Iowa.
That didn’t further your argument did it?
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 30, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
But my self-awareness is at an all-time low, so maybe I’m wrong.
Now let's go surprise Harry Heth!
by ReadingRambler on Aug 31, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Who's even talking about Ohio State?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah, this is how we (Iowa & PSU (since it appears there are no Cowboys fans on the interwebs)) need to look at it
My first post was rushed, but I’ve been looking, to the extent you can with the craziness of the 3-tiered scoring system, at expected points lost/gained. I need to buy some time and apply some table fu to get it all mapped out, but on placement points alone (aka, non-AA’s all get zero), Greg’s WR rankings turn up these team scores:
Iowa: 65
PSU: 63
OKST: 57
To borrow your steez and put points to it (my notes in bold)(also I’m off by 2pts on one of Iowa’s last-year points, but can’t figure out which one yet. I used this link):
125
Iowa: hold steady; hopefully a slight improvement (champ!); can probably improve on 21
PSU: improve to fringe A-A? (wouldn’t take much to exceed Pataky’s efforts last year); unranked by WR, Nico can definitely improve on Pataky’s 1
133
Iowa: improve to A-A; can def improve on his own 4.5
PSU: definite downgrade; not gonna get 21 this year; how much can replacement x (Martellotti if academically eligible) cut into that loss?
141
Iowa: hold steady, hopefully a slight improvement (champ!); with no Thorn or Kennedy, can def get a better seed and skip meeting Russell til finals. Very likely improvement on 13.5.
PSU: slight downgrade? Despite a very nice seed in a tough weight, Alton only scored 6pts, although without AA’ing (2-2 w/a Fall & Major), out in the R12. No idea if Sherlock can get those back, but a single Quarterfinal win would do it.(this would also mean, a third straight win and an auto AA—no small feat)
149
Iowa: definite upgrade (any points would be better than last year); Right. Def improve on zero.
PSU: hold steady, maybe a slight improvement (champ?); Gotta be a little more than last year’s 18, even if only via bonus in a weaker weight.
157
Iowa: hold steady, hopefully a slight improvement (champ? runner-up to Dake?); most probably better than 13.5; runner-up gets him to 12 on Placement alone
PSU: definite downgrade, maybe still fringe A-A potential; Def not gonna be 19.5 again; question is, how much can he/he/he cut into that loss
165
Iowa: improvement; hopefully get to A-A status; Only scored 3.5 last year; improving to AA/8th gets the 3pts on Placement alone.
PSU: massive upgrade, from 0 pts to potential national champ; David Taylor has lost his last match, so this could be a 25+pointer. /hubris’d
174
Iowa: improvement; get to A-A status; if Evans is half the man his mom/sister/niece says he is, he’ll have no problem improving on Ethen’s 2
PSU: hold steady, slight improvement? (if Ruth there, at least); early indications are not season-threatening, but there’s no sugar-coating the fact that, already minus Long, any chance of a repeat is 100% dead if Ruth gets canned for the season. Otherwise, looking for slight improvement on 18.5
184
Iowa: no idea; 16.5 is the bar
PSU: no idea; 23 is the bar
Both have shown they’re more than capable of both a top-three and a bottom 8, but after the experiences of last year, I’d err more towards the former. Q had a decent run at the WTTs and head seems on right.
197
Iowa: definite downgrade; how close to Uncle Luke’s 12 can replacement x get?
PSU: upgrade; fringe A-A potential?; umm, yeah, a single win bests last year’s zero
HWT
Iowa: no idea; better than 2?
PSU: no idea; better than 3?
WR listed CMU’s Trice as possible OLYRS, later posted Mizzou’s Bradley also a possibility. Cam’s def capable of bettering and worsting this 3.
Obviously, like we saw last year, if you get 5 top-threes, you’re tough to stop. WR projects that for Iowa and now just 4 for PSU & 3 for OKST. But I agree with you that this year more of the scoring dust will settle in the consis (like it usually does) than it did last year. PSU will definitely be counting on more scoring breadth this year, while Iowa will be hoping to go a little more top-heavy than last. But, yeah, Minny & Okie are gonna have a lot to say about it all too.
You guys seemed to rack up a bunch of bonus points, both in the Big Ten’s and Nationals. Do you have the number on those?
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I did charted them for B1Gs
But got busy during nationals and my charting goals flamed out.
Here’s the scoring breakdown for PSU at B1G’s last year, including data on bonus.
Just thinking about these tables again
And looking at them, thinking what it would take to chart these each round for multiple teams: a big hassle for sure, but they’d be cool. Actually, one of my (failed) aspirations was charting the change in Possible Placement Points when somebody lost along the way.
Nice work.
I think the top 3 (and 4 if Minny’s guys live up to the hype/surprise folks) teams will be waaay ahead of the pack this year.
No one else can contend with the across-all-weights depth that Iowa, PSU, and Okie State (and maybe Minny) should/will have this year.
And I agree that consos and bonus points should prove vital. Bonus points were fairly rare for Iowa last year outside of McD. Time for the rest of the boys to start wrecking people.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
PSU basically won the big tens on bonus points last year.
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True.
Although with a one-point loss you can point at a lot of areas…
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Maybe I should have said they wouldn’t have won it without all of the bonus points. It came down to the very end and I believe a tech by Pataky and maybe a pin/major by Wade on the back end put them over the top.
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Yeah, there were some late bonus points as I recall.
Iowa still had a chance if good ol’ Blake could have gotten bonus points in his last match.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah, but that is a tough thing at heavy with the Big Ten championship on the line.
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Yeah, absolutely.
Just saying, the chance was there.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Exactly
Vollrath decked 8th seed Bialka for 7th place, but timing-wise, the biggest drama came at HWT, where Cam Wade scored the needed Major over Apland for 5th place at the exact same fucking time as Rasing rolled nelson, I think, to his back and nearly decked him.
Also, he hurt him on that move, I think
I remember thinking we were screwed if Nelson didn’t continue. 2pts to Iowa if he didn’t.
I remember there being a gasp when he got him on his back, but it didn’t last long. You really need to catch those big guys, because turning them is freaking tough.
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I will say, that the PSU level of fan obnoxiousness is developing nicely and will soon take its place alongside the rest of the major power fan bases (They will never touch Iowa in this respect, however).
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Purdue
If Kyle’s football trip doesn’t work out, maybe we can use the logistics to go to the Big Ten tournament. However, Instead of soccer jerseys we will probably have to make BHGP singlets.
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That'd be so funny
Was reading a scout thread about the implications for fans & merchandising of wrestlers wearing singlets instead of some more presentable outfit. It’d be too freakin funny, tho, if a squad of ole men showed up at a match in custom-made singlets.
Having met some BHGPers, I would not want to see them in singlets.
(And I include myself in that description, too.)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That's more like it.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I remember that Volrath match too. Damn. It felt like all the guys the PSU boys were wrestling had already called it a night before they even stepped on the mat (at least that is what it felt like).
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Yeah, that feeling sucks (when you're hoping for help from somebody else)
I suspect we’ll be more in that position this spring. We were huge benefactors of some terrific choking both at B1Gs and Nationals (Big Red Murderers Row sucked in the semis) last year.
Stupid choking Cornell poopyheads.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Honestly, I would rather have a BIG team win than Big Red. I don’t like Rob Koll and his moralizing.
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I'm still learning about him
And about his father, and his trip from Iowa to PA. And even his son, William, who was a NY State Champ as a HS FR this past year.
Definitely interesting.
If it was Wisconsin, sure.
Or even Michigan or Ohio State, since their fans would care for approximately 0.3 seconds, before turning their attention back to The Biggest Game In The History Of Mankind.
But Penn State (or Minnesota)? Nope. Can’t do it.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah, the semis pretty much wrapped up the scoring
But,
I guess Lewnes just peaked last year and never got any better. Plus, Amuchastegui was largely underrated.
Bosak may have TF’d himself out in the quarters and dropped that close SV to Hamlin in the semis
And #1 seeded Cam Simaz ran into buzzsaw eventual champ Kilgore and dropped an epic 10-9.
boom. game.
I think you're right
Looking at the top ten, we know we won’t see any American or ASU or Boise or Wiscy next year. Or, at least not with more than 50 team points. Maybe Nebraska can crack that, but they’re a little young and Caldwell’s probably RS’ing, and Lehigh probably will. But, yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised to see four teams in the nineties+ and the rest under 50. …. Or something.
Team Points Finalists
Penn State 107.5 3
Cornell 93.5 1
Iowa 86.5 1
Oklahoma State 70.5 2
American 65 1
Arizona State 62.5 2
Minnesota 61
Lehigh 58.5 2
Boise State 57.5 1
Wisconsin 54.5
Until Monday.
Chris is a generous blogmaster. I was being a douchebag and I didn’t even realize it. I think I needed to be embarrassed.
Now let's go surprise Harry Heth!
by ReadingRambler on Aug 31, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
You gotta watch that wit good buddy.
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I know.
Now let's go surprise Harry Heth!
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