Iowa State Stole Our Drum!; or, The Virtues Of Design By Competition
George Washington Gale Ferris' original wheel, an example of design by competition
In a way, we should thank the Iowa Corn Growers Association for filling these late August days with a healthy dose of unmitigated scorn (more like Iowa Scorn-Growers Association, amirite?). Their trophy, entitled "Family Saddened By Corn", has provided all of us with some good laughs, funny "kill it with fire" photoshops, and a humorous addition to the Wikipedia entry on the Cy-Hawk trophy ("More traditional rivalry trophies usually have a simpler design, depicting something that is of historical interest or something that evokes the roughness of the sport..."). And now that there is an announcement afoot to respond to the outcry, we may not even have to suffer through looking at the monstrosity on game day. But before that sculpted farmer and his ennui-filled family fade into the mists of internet memory, it's important that fans, schools and, most importantly, corporate sponsors learn something from this debacle. The clearest lessons are these: trophies are tricky things to get right, it is a very hard thing indeed to impose a trophy on people against their will, and companies would be wise, at the very least, to run these things by a janitor or someone before dropping them on the public.
But the lessons go beyond that. Trophies are weird community symbols, metaphors for the spoils of war, and repositories of psychic angst; good luck to the designer who finds those requirements at the top of his or her spec list. Because trophies function primarily as symbols of either exultant victory or shameful defeat, I'm not sure if companies should even try to attach their name to them in the first place -- do you really want Cyclone fans associating their gnawing sense of failure and inferiority with Iowa's corn farmers? -- but if they absolutely must pursue these follies, then their first job would seem to be ensuring that the object is at least acceptable to the community. Focus groups might help, or some sort of quiet pre-release polling, but there is another path that would, in my opinion, generate better ideas, better designs, and, by virtue of the process itself, ensure the legitimacy of the final product: make the design of the trophy a competition open to the public. Iowans are smart, creative people with skills that go beyond the cultivation of corn and careful scrutinization thereof, and they simply care more about the damn thing. Let them design the trophy.
What would such a trophy have looked like? That's the best part: I have no idea. It would look like whatever the best idea hundreds of thousands of Iowa and Iowa State fans could come up with would look like. It would draw on the historical knowledge, creativity and design abilities of an entire state of people who deeply, deeply love football. It would probably not look like the very first idea that the laziest hack would scribble down in his notebook -- "Iowa, corn, done" -- but instead would represent something new, surprising, and impressive enough to wow a panel of judges or the voting public. In other words, it would be, at the very least, interesting. There is a long history of competitions being used as the spur to great public art: the Acropolis, the dome of the cathedral in Florence, the British Houses of Parliament, the Ferris Wheel, the Tribune Tower in Chicago and the Sydney Opera House were all the result of some sort of competition. The ICGA doesn't have the budget of, say, the British government, and I don't mean to elevate the Cy-Hawk trophy to the level of high art, but the point is that competitions do an amazing job of inspiring creativity, especially when a sense of local pride is on the line, and could be a great tool for the design of trophies in the future.
Here's a personal example of how fruitful even the most amateur efforts to generate ideas can be. In the hopes of finding a better trophy idea, I went to Google and started searching. After a few minutes, I found this excerpt of a 1908 speech entitled "Intercollegiate Relations in Athletic Contests" by a University of Iowa professor named A.G. Smith (particularly interesting portions are in bold):
I wish now to speak briefly of a situation that has existed during the past year between Iowa State College at Ames and our own University. These two institutions both supported by the same State are and should be sister institutions in every sense of the word. As a result of the perhaps somewhat limited financial support accorded to both institutions there has been a natural feeling of rivalry along that line just as there has been an exactly similar rivalry between two different insane asylums of the state. There has been a natural competition for students and these questions have added their weight to the rivalry in athletic contests. Athletics, as I have said before, have grown so rapidly that the institutions have not had time to adapt themselves to the changed conditions and ardent supporters of both sides have been led into words and acts, ill-becoming to either institution. A similar condition existed between Grinnell College and the University years ago and as a result feeling ran so high that one game was followed by a practical riot and the two institutions were compelled mutually to suspend athletic contests for a year. The contest in football between Ames and Iowa about five years ago assumed the position of being the state championship game. Had the institutions represented neighboring states, the contest would have been marked as one of interstate rivalry with the people of each state standing by their own institution. Instead we had the people of one state divided among themselves. We had all the elements of fraternal strife and it is a well known fact that no rivalry is so intense as fraternal rivalry. The feeling became so intense that following the game at Ames in 1905 a demonstration against the Iowa train was made and the drum stolen from the Iowa band. There is no question in my mind but that this was almost entirely the work of outsiders, but it had its effect upon the minds of all here. The following year, 1906, after the game here, there was some rough play and one of the Iowa players was accused also in the game of having willfully fouled an Ames man. I was assured by a member of the Ames faculty that stones were thrown, one of them striking the car window near his head. I believe here also that most of this represented outside work, but it had its effect as surely as though it had been done by the members of the student body only. In the game at Ames in 1907, a player of the Iowa team was very seriously injured by a reprehensible and inexcusable play on the part of an Ames man-I do not believe a willful act on his part. This was shortly followed by the knowledge that an ineligible player had taken part in the contest, and it was believed by the Iowa Board, perhaps a mistaken belief, that the Eligibility Committee of the other institution had not taken proper precautions in the case. As a result, the Iowa Board felt that it was best to sever athletic relations for a time. The Reppert-Kirk affair, as it has been called, was not the ground for this severance of relations. It had its bearing only as it excited the intense feeling, the unwholesome rivalry, to colossal proportions.
It's a fun piece to read throughout, not only for its "times haven't changed" quality (an ineligible player in college football? My stars!), and it's incongruous details (the Grinnell-Iowa rivalry once caused a riot?) but for its view of a time when the Iowa-Iowa State game verged so closely to anarchy that the contest was suspended. And best of all, there is a perfect idea for a trophy contained in these comments: Iowa State stole our drum! I don't know how this has been allowed to stand for over 100 years, but this aggression will not stand. Here's what my submission to the hypothetical Iowa-Iowa State design competition would look like:
Okay, so maybe that's not so great, but I provide it just as an example of what turning the process over to the people could do: if one person can uncover one nugget of history and make a trophy idea out of it, what could 100,000 do? And imagine if a few of those people were actual, you know, artists? The economy, if you haven't noticed, is not doing so well, so there are doubtless many, many talented people out there with time and ability to help design a trophy in exchange for prize money and state-wide recognition. I have already seen solid suggestions all over the internet, and an official competition would only focus the efforts of the fans and draw even more creative types out of the woodwork. I doubt the ICGA will take these kind of steps (it's a little late in the game for that), but for future games -- the Heroes Game, for instance -- there is no reason other companies and schools should be forced to fall into the same snake-pit of mockery and bile that Iowa Corn did. All these companies have to do is heed this simple plea: open the competition to the public. We work cheap, there are lots of us, and we care about football to an unhealthy and irrational degree. Use that.
[Feel free to leave your ideas for a better trophy in the comments, either described in words or actual photoshop/sketches if you're ambitious]
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It does work.
For example, here’s a current design competition to design a park at a water facility in Des Moines: http://parkitecture.design.iastate.edu/
There are currently over 150 teams that have signed up for this contest from over 20 different countries. Some of the biggest names in the construction and design industry have undoubtedly signed up, and most are allocating several people to work exclusively on this project for weeks prior to the submission deadline—and they do it without compensation. Only the winners get the project, so the rest have to write it off.
What happened with the trophy is what happened in the link below (substituting web design with trophy design):
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell
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more recent, tech-y examples:
Wikipedia in its immense glory
SpaceX
100mpg family car contest (forget its name)
Urban Dictionary
Share-buying as predictors of political races
IMDB
Netflix’s $1M recommendations contest
Really, it becomes too many to list (especially off the top of my head on a phone)
Crowdsourcing works. And beautifully so.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Aug 23, 2011 2:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Two-face from Batman...
Just replace the faces with half-herky half cy heads. It would look like this:

"The Sullivan Anchor"
It’ll be just a fucking anchor. Heavy, about 50lbs. The history associated with the trophy, however, will be amazing. Also, the incongruity of two institutions in a land-locked state battling over an anchor is the epitome of the quirkiness that makes a rivalry trophy truly great.
"An out of context quote to support my world view." -Some Dead Guy
by Scumdog0331 on Aug 23, 2011 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
I like what I've read and will subscribe to your newsletter.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Aug 23, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Brilliant
That’s the best idea I’ve read over the past 5 days!!
by Big Game Today on Aug 23, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Am I the only one that doesn't understand the reference?
My Iowa-Iowa State knowledge is, apparently, not great.
by The Mexican't on Aug 23, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
The Sullivan Brothers
were five brothers from Waterloo who all served together on the same ship during WWII. The ship was attacked and all five brothers were killed. After that, the Navy made a rule that brothers could no longer serve on the same ship.
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Thank you, sir.
I’m officially on the Sullivan Anchor bandwagon.
by The Mexican't on Aug 23, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
No problem
It is a cool/tragic story
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Also the inspiriation for a fairly awful Alt-Rock song
Makes me well up a bit, however
"An out of context quote to support my world view." -Some Dead Guy
Essentially the inspiration for the plot
of ‘Saving Private Ryan’, no?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 24, 2011 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I know for sure
that the Sullivan brothers were mentioned in the movie and the Ryan brothers were from Iowa, so I do believe that the Sullivan brother’s tragic story had some inspiration for the movie.
All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 24, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I like this idea but do you think UNI would take issue with it based on proximity to Waterloo?
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 23, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
What are they going to do about it? Teach us to death?
We are impervious to learning.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
by Lycurgus on Aug 23, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
We could make it a round robin trophy between the three schools a la Commander and Chief Trophy.
That way UNI could come in second behind Iowa occasionally.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 24, 2011 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And considering UNI may soon become a yearly opponent, it wouldn't be beyond possible.
Even if it is a bit depressing to share a trophy game with a(nother) I-AA school.
by The Mexican't on Aug 24, 2011 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Truer words have never been spoken
We work cheap, there are lots of us, and we care about football to an unhealthy and irrational degree. Use that.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Aug 23, 2011 12:48 PM CDT reply actions
HEC, you are so correct I can't believe this wasn't done in the first place.
Community contest came up with the greatest MLB logo ever – the ’mb" logo for the Brewers. It came up with the “Minny and Paul” for the Twins.
No wonder all of our movies are remakes of sixties classics. We should be revisiting the thinking of this decade.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Aug 23, 2011 12:57 PM CDT reply actions
The Brewers logo was community inspired?
I love the Brewers “mb” logo. If I were a real baseball fan it may be enough for me to follow them.
by The Mexican't on Aug 23, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
First baseball cap I owned: loved it.
Then those fuckers had to join the NL and make me forget how much I used to dig Molitor, Yount & Surhoff.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 24, 2011 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Umm, the "mb" logo was born in the great year 1978
Barrelman preceded it from 1970 through 1977. So, not quite a product of the 60s.
I agree completely, HEC....
However, it should be noted that our beloved tiger hawk was created in the exact opposite manner. A contest was open to the students at U of I, and when nothing good came out of it, an advertising company created the tiger hawk.
http://thegazette.com/2009/08/30/c-r-art-director-man-behind-the-logo/
by Kinnick Stadium is my Graceland on Aug 23, 2011 1:11 PM CDT reply actions
Hiring someone to do the job can produce great results only if the appropriate person is hired
There are many factors that go into hiring someone from Hallmark to design your football trophy.
Also
there is a difference between hiring someone to design a trophy as an advertisement for Iowa Corn Growers, which is what we got, and hiring someone to design a trophy as an advertisement for a football game, which is what we want. The Iowa Corn Growers don’t care a flip about the football game, this was their opportunity to use the football game to pimp their product.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
by Lycurgus on Aug 23, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
This
exactly, without question, this!
All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 23, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Well put
Thanks for putting it into words.
by Kinnick Stadium is my Graceland on Aug 23, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
so on this new trophy press conference
i get this feeling they’re going to get up there, say “hey thanks for the feedback, a lot of it was positive and we’re keeping the design”
/shades
/wenowreturntoyouroriginallyscheduledprogramming
I have trophy fatigue.
But I don’t believe you’ve written a bad story, once.
My current suggestion is another bastardization of G. Wood’s American Gothic. The woman can represent ISU.
We play tackle football.
How about this?

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
"I would have fell to those aphrodisiacs that he was throwing around." ~ Michael Irvin
by Blackheartnopants on Aug 23, 2011 2:03 PM CDT reply actions
Too sport-y.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 23, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
also Cyclones dropped baseball a number of years ago.
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
Goodbye, Little Meth House on the Prairie.
The masses have spoken, and Iowa Corn has listened. Fans will get to vote on designs for the new New Cy-Hawk Trophy.
In the meantime, they’re going to be using an interim trophy (yes, really) at the game this year.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Would it be too much to ask
that the interim trophy be a wooden question mark?
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Could the interim trophy be Luke Fickell?
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 23, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
The trophy will be a 1/8 life sized bronze of Dr. Cuddlekins in repose and draped in velvet.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
DO NOT WANT
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
"It took me so long to get the chin hairs just right!"
"Let me finish or I will hammerpunch your clavicle." -Steve Youngblood
by SomeJerkPoster on Aug 23, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
HEC's influence is swift and strong
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Aug 23, 2011 2:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I feel like breaking out in song
“Ding Dong the wicked witch trophy is dead!”
All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 23, 2011 2:15 PM CDT reply actions
I think I found the perfect home for the discarded trophy:

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by J.Schnauzer on Aug 23, 2011 2:30 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Somewhere Rambler is crying.
Joy? Pain? Whatever.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 23, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
He's the one who insists the 717 is like Iowa
People didn’t have so much a problem with the sculpture as with its use as a sports trophy. At least that was my take on it.
Add a Pennsylvania long rifle and a bucktail
and I have a feeling he would be okay with it.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Hey, he could shoot out his eye with that thing
So we’d better be careful what we give the Rambler to play with.
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Aug 23, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I spoke to someone from the 717 today.
He called about something that was completely irrelevant to my position and I still can’t figure out why he called me. He must think the people that could help him are idiots and I’m the only one that knows anything.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 23, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
If it is him I would just DIE!
Do you think his name is Jody?
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 24, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I know a hot Mom that lives in 717
Actually might give me a reason to journey to Penn State…
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Aug 24, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Aren't troll dolls supposed to be attached to that thing?
Battles are won with a hammer, wars are won with a scalpel
They are going to poll the public for the new design!
Smart move, Iowa Corn Growers
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields
It seems to me that all the best trophies are somewhat random
and don’t necessarily engender the spoils of war nor are they repositories of psychic angst. Pigs, buckets, turtles, spittoons and jugs make up some of the best traveling trophies in the Big Ten conference. I fear we will end up with some stupid mutation of Herky and Cy – to go along with the equally lame monicker, “Cy-Hawk Trophy”. If they are going to do this then do it right and cut all ties to the previous nonsense and start fresh. Here are a few ideas off the top of my head that capture an Iowa flavor.
1) The Henry Hill Trophy (or maybe the Shipoopi Cup)
2) The Borlaug Dwarf Durum Trophy
3) The Butter Cow
4) The Geode
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
it saddens me
with all the talent
and all the creativitythe iowa corn growers would commission something only sara palin could love
if thats all the time and effort they can put into something
that means as much as this rivalry
maybe they ought to grow beans,,,,
i support the idea of a competition
with the fans partipating in the voting
floyd is cool,
i challenge the cornfucks to be as
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
From the poet's hand the gauntlet's thrown
with pig hoisted to his exalted perch
they reap the fruit of discontent, full-grown
as we commence the righteous search
My friend, from great water’s fertile home
Ye of unalliterated verse
the muse, she comes from heavn’s roam
to set right the sculptor’s forge and curse
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Lycurgus so pithy -
A pig on perch high above the earth
Looks down on anguished fans
Disgusted by the dearth
Of tack or respect or mirth
Donna Reed, Robert Young, Jerry Mather’s and Sally Field
Surrounded by silver XL 95 XL – flying ears removed
The diehard fans so distraught they will not yield
The CyHawk trophy rightfully poo-pooed
Give us something worthy
A trophy displaying dignity
And leave Father Knows Best
At rest
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
Avarice, that deadly sin enshrined
in pewter hues, honor eschewed
now, for heroes of mat or field we pine
Teosinte, that ancient, noble grass
now golden grain, Rambler’s refrain
remakes tradition in image crass
Soil, deep and rich anchors the soul
yet the strong of heart, require true art
worthy of ISU’s Super Bowl
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
and for something completely different
There was a young trophy from Appanoose County
That was both Ames and Iowa City bounty
It was pewtered indeed
Looking like Donna Reed
Conceived by a drunken townie
The trophy, inspired by a kernel
Was as goofy as a Klink Colonel
Momma and dad with Susie and Brad
The thought HyVee was bad
The result revolting infernal
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
they still don't get it.
Rick Klatt, associate athletic director at Iowa, said everyone hopes the new trophy would represent what makes Iowa special and what it means to live and work in Iowa.
They already tried “what it means to live and work in Iowa.” That’s what sucked. Make it a trophy. That’s all.
Parts of this may have been suggested before in the blogosphere, I'm not sure...
A trophy with a flat top surface, lined like part of a football field. In the middle, across a field line, a figure of Nile Kinnick in period football dress, helmet in one hand, the other shaking the hand of Jack Trice, also in his period uniform, in his other hand his helmet or leather gear ( if they were used then, if not, take the helmet out of Kinnick’s other hand). In the background, behind the “field”, a vertical panel mural of cornstalks.
This covers the people who paid the money, the two schools and football teams ( who would NOT want the figure of their iconic player in the other team’s trophy case), and the warm fuzzies who would love the sportsmanship of the two shaking hands.
FOUR. THREE. COVER. TWO.
Leather gear?
Like, a bondage mask? That would be pretty awesome.
"Oh, glorious cheeseburger, we bow to thee. The secrets of the Universe are between the buns."
by Bucketochicken on Aug 24, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Just think what Grinnell College could have been had we not suspended our football contests with them.
I like that the author refers to Iowa State College as Ames. That struck me as funny.
Maybe Iowa and Iowa State can play for the right
to sack the Grinnell campus on a yearly basis. Bring me your finest patchouli-soaked cardigans and thesauruses!
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 24, 2011 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is the way I feel about Muscatine and Canada.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Is it wet blanket Wednesday for PackerHawk?
You ruin all my good stuff, but you are still my 3rd favorite.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
No, it's not wet blanket Wednesday
If you would have picked any other Iowa town I wouldn’t have had to comment. But as a descendant of the Muscatine diaspora I just had to chime in.
All right. You are excused. I should have said that previously I never thought much about Muscatine and now I actively hate it. Bad move Muscatine, bad move.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Okay, I admit. You are really my second favorite.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Did you hear that CW?
neener neener neener. Wait, shit. She should be your favorite, she’s really much nicer than me (please don’t take my tickets away).
Unless you mean she’s #1 and I’m #2 ahead of RR, in which case, suck it Rambler.
Are you kidding me?
Rambler is his favorite, the rest of us are left far behind. I’m not even sure I’m in the top 10, let alone top 5.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 24, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Please PackerHawk, act like you have been there before. Various bylaws preclude CW from being #1 and they mostly have to do with her keeping of scores of house cats.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
I have two cats. Not scores, two.
And the fact that they are named after an awesome baseball player should score me some points back.
See Packer, I told you, not a high ranking for me.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 24, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
You are in the 3-4 range, depending on how many times you reference your cats in a day.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
That is BS and you know it.
It is extremely rare that I reference cats. BTW, you are the one that brought them up today, not me.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 24, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Visions of the future?

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Only as a way to explain my ranking system. When you take your cats outside, do you just load them into grocery carts and push them down the sidewalk?
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
I once had a neighbor who actually walked his cat in one of these.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
"Walking a cat" = phrase oxymoron.
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Aug 24, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I tried that w/ Brett b/c Target had a leash on sale and she likes to go outside.
It did not go over well. She just laid on the ground and ate grass.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 24, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't dislike dogs, but I'm definitely a cat person
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Aug 24, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I like both.
It’s just that cats are more conducive to my living situation.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 24, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
On second thought, we should probably move this cat conversation over to H'dam.
That is what it’s there for, after all.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I didn't start it. I'm only defending my honor.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 24, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I understand, but your honor is under assault in Hamsterdam as well.
Let’s just do all the defending there.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
MOre like Catsterdam LOLOLOLOLO
"Oh, glorious cheeseburger, we bow to thee. The secrets of the Universe are between the buns."
by Bucketochicken on Aug 24, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I only let my cats out on the balcony.
BTW, my sister came over this morning and removed the crazy huge bug for me so I can go out there again. She picked it up with her bare hand and I almost threw up.
I don’t even own a grocery cart.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 24, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
And you're afraid of bugs?
You and my son. :-p
My GF, if she finds a bug in the house, she traps it and takes it back outside, and mutters some Buddhist bs…
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Aug 24, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, me too.
I used to smash spiders all over my basement wall when I’d find them, and leave the body as warning to the other spiders.
Now I just ignore them, and hope I don’t eat one in my sleep.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 24, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
A little protein never hurt anyone.
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Aug 24, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Horribly afraid.
I had a breakdown the other night when I found this bug. It was gigantic. I wasn’t sure if it was dead but my sister confirmed that this morning. It didn’t matter I wasn’t going out there.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 24, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I don’t even own a grocery cart.
Man, that is going to make it hard to move them when the hoarders people come.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
by Lycurgus on Aug 24, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
She probably doesn't remember owning one because it's buried somewhere in there.
"West Texas seems to be full of fake boobs providing a comfortable shade for well-developed pot bellies" - Lycurgus (06/24/2011)
by BStylin Hawkye on Aug 24, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I'M NOT A HOARDER.
Stop spreading these mean lies about me.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 24, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I figured she was outside your Top 10 for her dislike of hard shell tacos.
"West Texas seems to be full of fake boobs providing a comfortable shade for well-developed pot bellies" - Lycurgus (06/24/2011)
by BStylin Hawkye on Aug 24, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
All her other crazy begins with and flows from her inordinate fondness for cats. I wouldn’t be surprised if she doesn’t like hard shell tacos because they make Whiskers and Ethyl choke.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
She doesn't like hard shell tacos? That's sacrilege
However, out here in Cali, in most Mexican restaurants, they refer to any type of taco that’s ordered that’s hard shell as “gringo” (I’ve heard it in the kitchens… pretty funny. I love Mexico, BTW – just got back from my 2nd trip to Cabo this summer).
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Aug 24, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
The surgeon that saved my life is a Grinnell graduate.
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Aug 24, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait, is this a defense of Grinnell or another negative against them?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 24, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, in the surgeon’s defense he did suck the poison arrow frog venom from the wound for over four hours. I have always been curious whether you were able to find the idol for which you were seeking before the natives got the drop on you?
I think near death stories should always resemble something out of Indiana Jones.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Oh yeah
It was amazing how many girls visited my hospital room after my “near death” experience… I wasn’t anywhere near death but if they hadn’t taken the tumor out it could have been an unhappy ending…
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Aug 24, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Good thing it worked out.
I always tell people about my risking bear attacks in the name of furthering botanical knowledge. Girls don’t seem to care.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
I had the most common form of cancer...
For white males under 35 – same as Lance, same side. Mine, however, had not spread so I did not get the privilege of the joys of chemo – surgical cure. Been cancer free for almost 28 years now.
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Aug 24, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Glad you're cancer free and that it didn't involve chemo.
And all of us men should make sure we conduct our monthly self exams to aid in early detection.
In my case, no exam was required
My right side swelled up to about the size of a tennis ball over Christmas 1982. It was misdiagnosed by our family GP as orchitis (common mistake, according to Dr. Hawtrey at UI Hospitals – might as well give the dude the credit he’s due). Hawtrey was my surgeon for the initial removal, and then back in the 80s, they also pulled the lymph nodes from behind your stomach to see if the cancer had spread, but that’s a separate surgery. They don’t do it anymore because its a) major surgery and b) doing so didn’t improve survival rates. I have a scar that starts at the base of my sternum and goes allllll the way down…
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Aug 24, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I was talking about how we're supposed to feel our testicles for lumps on a regular basis as an early detection measure...
He's in the zone.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 24, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Its a defense
Also, one of my friends from high school, his son played two years of football at Grinnell before retiring from football due to injury. He’s at Arizona State now (his family lives in Phoenix where his dad, my friend, has his law practice).
The guy was also, oddly, my next door neighbor for two years. He’s retired from UI Hospitals by now, I’m sure. As I’ve noted before, I had cancer in the middle of my junior year at Iowa.
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Aug 24, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
If they want to keep the Heroes Game idea
then they should switch it to Iowa Iowa State and go with the anchor trophy for the Sullivan Brothers.
Wonder how that happened...
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 24, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
To the ’dam with you, people.
Let’s get back to figuring out actual decent ideas for the Cy-Hawk Trophy here (if we must have a trophy).
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Thank you.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 24, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
How about a deep fryer?
Nothing symbolizes Iowa like the state fair, and nothing symbolizes the state fair like frying everything edible.
I wish we could deep fat fry the New Cy-Hawk Trophy.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah, even deep fat fried pewter is still, um, pewter.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Can one of our rivalries just be for an old tractor?
as in restored not as in rusted out. winner gets to drive it around on the field

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