The Quest For History: Iowa Releases 2011-2012 Wrestling Schedule
by RossWB on Aug 16, 2011 12:01 PM CDT
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Iowa finally released the 2011-2012 wrestling schedule yesterday, which is significant for a few reasons. One, it allows us to get a sense of what the season will be like and who they're facing (and who they're missing, too). Two, it allows us to finally chart their potential path to history -- and a new NCAA record. Iowa's 69-meet winning streak came to a halt in Stillwater last year, but since Iowa had a sister-kissing draw with the 'Pokes in that meet, the streak didn't end entirely -- it just transformed into an "unbeaten" streak. That unbeaten streak continued through the end of the year, including stirring (and slightly surprising) wins at Penn State and at Minnesota. Iowa ended the 2010-2011 season as holders of a 77-meet unbeaten streak, which is notable because it's within sniffing distance of the all-time NCAA record of 84, held by Oklahoma State.
An unbeaten streak doesn't have quite the same cache as a winning streak, but 77 meets without a loss is damn impressive and setting a new record would be more impressive still. Tom Brands has a long (long) way to go when it comes to catch Dan Gable in terms of national and Big Ten championships, but setting an NCAA record with this streak would give him that rarest of feats: an accomplishment that actually surpasses Gable. So what's the road to history look like?
NOV. 19: Lindenwood University Open (@ St. Charles, MO)
NOV. 25: Iowa City Duals, v. Baker
NOV. 25: Iowa City Duals, v. Cornell College
NOV. 25: Iowa City Duals, v. Iowa Central CC
DEC. 3: vs. Illinois
DEC. 4: at Iowa State
DEC. 8: vs. UNI
DEC. 29: Midlands Championships (@ Evanston, IL)
DEC. 30: Midlands Championships (@ Evanston, IL)
JAN. 6: at Indiana
JAN. 8: Oklahoma State
JAN. 13: at Nebraska
JAN. 15: just Northwestern
JAN. 20: at Penn State
JAN. 22: at Ohio State
JAN. 29: Minnesota
FEB. 5: Wisconsin
FEB. 12: NWCA National Duals (@ Ames, IA)
FEB. 13: NWCA National Duals (@ Ames, IA)
MAR. 3: Big Ten Tournament (@ West Lafayette, IN)
MAR. 4: Big Ten Tournament (@ West Lafayette, IN)
MAR. 15: NCAA Tournament (@ St. Louis, MO)
MAR. 16: NCAA Tournament (@ St. Louis, MO)
MAR. 17: NCAA Tournament (@ St. Louis, MO)
The Lindenwood University Open and Midlands are tournament events, so (obviously) they won't count towards the dual meet streak. So based on the schedule above, Iowa could tie the all-time unbeaten streak record at Indiana on 1/6/12... and have a chance to break the record at home against Oklahoma State, the current record-holders, on 1/8/12. Wow. That's already an incredibly heated dual, given the long-standing history between the two programs (they're the two undisputed kings of the sport) and the diametrically opposed styles they tend to represent. Add in the desire to avenge last year's draw and a chance to set history at the 'Pokes expense? I think it's safe to say that Carver will be rocking for that meet. (And I didn't even mention the fact that, in a dual meet setting, Oklahoma State may provide the stiffest test of any Iowa opponent this year.)
Other thoughts on the schedule:
* It's fun to see Iowa in tournaments and the Lindenwood University Open may provide a few nice early challenges for Iowa wrestlers. I haven't seen a list of the 2011 participants, but the 2009 incarnation featured wrestlers from Missouri, Oklahoma, and Illinois; hopefully the '11 version features a comparable level of talent and Iowa isn't beating up on D-III caliber opposition.
* ... Especially since they're going to be doing just that at the Iowa City Duals a week later. It's pretty dispiriting that the best teams Iowa can bring on for this event are Baker College, Cornell College, and Iowa Central Community College. If they're going to go that route in terms of scheduling, they should at least try to get defending Division III national champion Wartburg to come down the road. Also, why schedule that event on Black Friday? Did they somehow miss the fact that there's another kinda important Iowa sporting event happening that same day?
* Mind you, there's the potential for even more football-induced scheduling angst if Iowa makes the inaugural Big Ten Championship Game. It's slated for 7pm CST on Saturday, December 3, the same day as the Iowa-Illinois dual in Champaign. Still, at least there's no guarantee Iowa will be playing on that day, unlike the Black Friday snafu.
* On the whole, it's a tough schedule: seven of the fourteen dual meet opponents finished in the Top 20 at the 2011 NCAA Tournament. It's a particularly brutal Big Ten slate, since Iowa gets the other two league heavyweights (Penn State and Minnesota) as well as two of the toughest teams from the next tier of competition (Ohio State, Wisconsin). The other four league foes -- Illinois, Indiana, Nebraska, Nerdwestern -- should each have a handful of challenging individual foes, but probably not the overall team depth to upset Iowa. Still, if Iowa makes it a fifth straight year with an 8-0 league record, they'll definitely have earned it this year.
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Brands looks upon these opponents
as Caesar looked upon the Gauls of old.
Darkened eyes hide a wanton, joyful glee
and with each inspiration that familiar smell of opportunity and slaughter
stiffens the quill of glory yet to be.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
by Lycurgus on Aug 16, 2011 12:37 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Yes.
Bring on the glory and the horror.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I figured you would be one of the few to appreciate that.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Don't try to speak for me, sir.
I think Lycurgus that the eternal wrestling struggle that will never end speaks to my soul.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I am excited about this schedule
and even more excited the BIG championship will be held at W. Lafayette. I will be able to attend.
All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 16, 2011 12:56 PM CDT reply actions
If Ross’s math is correct, I’m sure it is who am I to doubt him, OkState jumped to the top of my which dual meet do I go to list.
A Western Iowa education has its flaws, but I'm pretty sure I can count to eight.
The only way my math is off is if (a) Iowa adds another dual meet to the schedule (highly unlikely) or (b) they don’t wrestle everyone at the Iowa City Duals (i.e., they wrestle two of those schools, but not all three; in the past it seems like they might have done that).
Still, even if my count is off, the Okie State dual will still be big — it may just be to tie the record rather than to take it outright.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
You western guys shouldn’t sell yourselves short, you know how to count to windmill.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
I start getting antsy once I can't use my fingerses and toeses, though.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Here is a question
what is the season attendance record for college wrestling (I am sure Iowa has it). I see two or three dual meets that could top 10K. If they had Iowa State at home, forget it.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Iowa holds basically all dual meet attendance records, I believe.
Single event, single season, etc.
This year should be a very good year for attendance, though, since Okie State and Minny should pack ’em in. Wisco should also probably draw a pretty good crowd. Next year should have ISU and PSU, though, which will also draw very, very well. (Nebraska should also be in CHA, but I have no idea what sort of crowd that will draw.)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I am going to call it and say that this year’s Okie State dual and next year’s PSU dual will both approach 15K and may vie for the record.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
I think if there is a record at stake we should be able to pack at least 15K in Carver.
If not we are not the Iowa wrestling fans I think we are and I will be very disappointed.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
Per this site, the current record is 15,955 (amusingly, that’s 455 beyond the announce capacity for CHA) at the 2008 Iowa-Iowa State dual, which I believe was the first dual at CHA between a Brands-led Iowa team and a Sanderson-led ISU team. (It was also a 1 v. 2 matchup; remember the days when ISU was that good?)
Both Iowa-Okie State and Iowa-Penn State could be 1-2 matchups this year and next, and they’re both against big-time opponents against whom Iowa has history (long-term in Okie State’s case, very recent in Penn State’s case). PSU also has the Cael Factor, of course. Hopefully next year’s PSU dual will also be between the last two national champions. I do wonder how much the out-of-state factor will matter, though; obviously making it to CHA is a much easier task for ISU fans than it is for Okie State or PSU fans.
The Okie State dual two years ago listed an attendance of 10,967. The Okie State dual before that listed an attendance of 14,332. There’s no comparable Penn State duals because until last year they weren’t a big deal (ohhh burn).
Given what could be on the line this year, though, I think the Okie State dual could push 15K. Ditto PSU next year if both teams are as loaded as they ought to be.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Capacity
They request that the fire marshall temporarily raise the capacity of CHA when they expect they can exceed the 15,500 capacity. They had a waiver for the 2008 OKSU dual, but I don’t think they needed it. I would expect them to seek and receive waivers for the matches you mentioned.
I figured it was something like that or some creative counting.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I was at the women's basketball game when the old CHA attendance record was set.
I had a t-shirt that had the total attendance on it. It was a big deal. Since I’m really old and it was a long time ago I don’t remember when it was but I know it was in the 80s.
People where sitting in the aisles it was really unsafe. My father sad the fire marshal told them they were NOT to do it again.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I just saw one of those shirts the other day (here in Iowa City)
and I think it was like 1982 or something.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 16, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Derp
I swear I thought I typed 1984, not 82 (CHA didn’t open until 83), but I looked it up and
Big Ten & NCAA Record 22,157 Fans Attend Ohio State vs. Iowa on February 3, 1985
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 16, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
How the hell did they get 22K in CHA?
That doesn’t seem remotely safe.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Safety is for chickens.
Fire cops are the ultimate party-poopers, man.
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the one.
I wonder where my shirt is? Hmmm?
Like I said Ross, people were sitting in the aisles and by aisles I mean on the stairs. It was totally unsafe.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
That's nuts.
I can see why the fire marshalls would nix that ever happening again.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Wouldn't they be able to bring in some sort of bleachers, too?
I guess I don’t remmeber the layout of CHA, but I would assume wrestling takes up less space than basketball.
meh
No, if they did that the people around the bottom wouldn't be able to see if they did.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
And people around the top wouldn't either, if they put the bleachers up there
And the ability to get about 1-1.5k over the capacity is based on the standing room ability of the concourse.
Hmm, I think I'll be making a trip to State College on 1/20
HGoing to either Tremblant or Sugarloaf the following week. A dual win over PSU would be a good start to vacation.
Rambler – can I expect the same cordial trash talking I will get at the football game or are the wrestling fans a different type of crowd?
Based on last year's evidence, they're much older.
So speak up if you’re trash talking.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Ok, I was more concerned about being more aggressive/rowdy.
I’ saw more aggressive trash talk from Iowa fans at the OkieSt dual in 2008(?) (the last dual Iowa lost) than I’ve seen at Kinnick from 2006-2010. Although that might be different in the east stands at Kinnick as opposed to the south endzone.
Iowa fans have a particularly virulent dislike for Okie State wrestling, so that doesn't surprise me.
I was being a little flippant because all the people in the front rows at last year’s PSU meet appeared to qualify for AARP membership. I’m sure there were some younger fans there, though. I’ll bet Rambler and jtothep will be along before too long to give us a little more intel.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Ok, I didn't watch it
It’s probably just because you enter at floor level. At CHA the handicap seating is on the concourse so the old people are away from the mat and squinting at the television screens.
All the young people had a hard time getting in to the meet, because they had a max capacity of 50 in the crackerjack box gym they wrestled in.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
You and Ross are both right
The PSU die-hard wrestling fanbase is ooooolllld. They’re super-cool on the boards (and gracious and smart), but, um, yeah. A couple of the guys on the boards graduated in the fifties. Oh, and rich! They’re a close-knit group, which is growing, but yeah, they’ve traveled to a lot of the national tourneys over the years and a few of the real wealthy ones have given a goodly amount of coin for facilities.
And yeah, Rec Hall is intimate, but about a third of CHA’s capacity I believe. The Jordan Center sucks for a bunch of other reasons, but they have had meets there in the past, so every year it comes up as a discussion point to have one there again. Even if they stay at Rec Hall for the Iowa dual this year, they’ve got some work to do, organizationally, to get it rockin like it really could. A huge hurdle to that, tho, is the old boosters who have given so much they expect close seats.
But, yeah, PackerHawk, probably no need to anticipate much unprovoked vitriol
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
I know I remember Penn State being competitive in wrestling during the late 80's or early 90's.
I can’t imagine I made this up. It was around the time ASU was competitive. I feel like when PSU joined the BigTen that my dad said they were going to be another team with good wresting. Why do I think that jtothep, why? Because if this is selective memory that it is a weird thing to make up.
Also, I think it says something about how truly important wrestling is to PSU that they moved it to the Rec and let women’s basketball have the larger arena. I’m not saying it is putting up curtains, which is an absolute embarrassment, but they could have had a larger crowd.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
The state's always had a solid--and popular--wrestling culture
I grew up in it. And in a wrestling family. But the flagship university has sure missed some opportunities to grab all that PA wrestling can offer.
Here are two charts I did when my sbn chart-fu was still nascent, so they’re a little small. First is a count of 1st thru 5th places earned since we joined the big:
And here’s a more comprehensive list of placements each year:
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
Nice tables.
I like how bad Iowa murdered the field some years. 1995 was a straight-up massacre. (To be fair, Minnesota laid out a pretty good ass-whupping in 2002.)
2006 was one sad year. 6th place? /fail horn
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
It took me forever to find the 6th place.
I do not recognize that year.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
2005 and 2006 were some sad years for Iowa wrestling.
It’s easy to see why Z was shown the door, even with the success he’d had earlier in his tenure.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Also, based on this rotation, it should be back in Iowa City in 2016.
I believe Evanston and West Lafayette swapped in 2011 and 2012 for some reason.
Adding Nebraska better not fuck up this rotation (unless it means Iowa City gets to host it sooner, in which case: hooray!).
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I am just mad that all you delinquents won’t adjust your schedules so that I can attend a wrestling meet with the crew.
Sometimes at dusk, I just stand outside my apartment and scream curses at Texas.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Tell Christmas to adjust ITS schedule!
I assumed you just screamed curses at Texas as a matter of course. I know I would.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Sometimes being on a computer sucks, because right now stamping my feet, throwing myself into a wall, and sobbing like a kicked cat in a ball on the floor really has no effect on you or your callous recriminations.
Honestly, Texas is cursed far beyond my feeble ability to add or subtract.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
by Lycurgus on Aug 16, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice visual!
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Other fun tidbits.
jNW hosted the tourney in 2001… and got six points. Six! Holy fucking embarrassment.
Why are there only ten teams listed for 1994? Was Wisco boycotting?
Still kind of mind-boggling that OSU was NCAA runners-up in ‘09 and ’10 (or was it ’08 and ’09?) but finished no better than 4th in the Big Ten. That old expression that the Big Ten Tournament is tougher than the NCAA Touranment? There’s some truth to it at times.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Hmmm
That 94 wiscy thing has got to be an error, but now I can’t find my source site…
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
There placing was invalidated for illegal dairy benefits.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Juiced-up cheese curds?
Does their nefariousness know no bounds?!
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I just went looking for a reason on their website
And I found this. I may have missed discussion of it on here during my vacation, but those darn Badgers hired another one. Does this count as the Brands coaching tree?
Illinois is kind of the stealthy good team in the Big Ten.
Iowa and Minnesota get all the attention as the powerhouses (and now Penn State) and we spend a lot of time worrying about Ohio State and Wisconsin, but Illinois has been a more consistent threat over the years. Of course, a lot of the concern about OSU and Wisco is the quality of their recruiting, so that concern may bear more fruit in the future.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Illinois has tons of wrestling talent, largely mined by the Hawks. Perry is going to be a very good resource for them. The Gable coaching tree just keeps reaching skyward.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
The Gable coaching tree is the reason the damn Big Ten is so tough.
Minnesota, Ohio State, Wisco, Illinois… all Gable disciples. (Well, Perry’s actually more from the Brands tree, I guess, but still.)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Perry is like some mythical creature, a son of two diametrically opposed powers. He should be the chosen one, born to destroy the world with abilities (combine strategic stalling and utter domination in one wrestler) unknown before.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
I fear he is more Anakin Skywalker than Luke Skywalker, though.
I’m hoping DSJ is Luke.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
DSJ is going to be Romulus, the righteous hand of Mars.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
But who will be Remus?
McD?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
It is Taylor. DSJ eventually cuts him down and declares the same to any dare overleap his battlements.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
You're cute.
In actuality, Taylor is former Penn State quarterback John Shaffer; one loss only makes him stronger.
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
TRUTH!
Wresfan hates this, but Taylor will not lose again.
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
See below, j.
No Iowan can beat Taylor.
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought Metcalf would never lose again after Caldwell.
You never know when there’s an incredibly strong and stall-tastic Oompa Loompa lurking out there to spring an upset, though.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I didn’t think McD was going to lose this last year.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Did you think Gable would?
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
If I'd been alive back then and a fan of wrestling..
I don’t I ever would have expected Gable to lose.
I never expected Cael to lose when he was wrestling, actually.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I'll listen/read everytime Gable talks
But my favorite is when he talks Mentality. His candor about how that loss affected him is as awesome as all his other awesomeness.
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
robles robles roblesigh
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
He lost to a freak.
There is no accounting for freaks.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Huh.
I never thought you Iowans were a closed-minded bunch. What do you know?
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not being close minded.
The guy was a freak. His upper body was freakishly muscular. Freak isn’t always derogatory, ya weirdo.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I maintain that I wish he'd been able to face him once before NCAAs.
There were multiple cases of guys who were pwned by Robles the first time they fought who did much better the next time (and often won). He’s just such a weird match-up and totally different form anyone else.
Or maybe he was just on an unstoppable mission to win a national title and an ESPY and become a media darling. Who knows.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
His strategy was terrible in that match
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
McD's? Yeah, it was.
It’s a shame he’ll never get another crack at him to see if he could do better.
It’s surprising he had such a bad strategy with guys like Tom and Terry to provide input, not to mention Clark, a guy who had wrestled Robles – and beat him.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah, I don’t know who came up with that approach, but not good.
Of course, the ref should be smacked for letting a guy back up off the whistle and then just sit on his ass for 6 minutes.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Refs not calling stalling?
Color me… not surprised. (sigh)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Oh god
Well, if this happens, at least he’ll have some fabulously douchetastic name to also hate.
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
Taylor is not going to lose to an Iowan.
That’s the point.
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I already told you Nick Moore was going to ride him like a dime-store pony.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Nick Moore has a stupid name.
Nick? Nick?? Please.
By the time he’s done with you, you’ll know him as King David. And the best you’ll be able to do is mention some guy named Bubba who never wore the black and gold.
ALL HAIL
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I bow to no false kings.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
You mean like Ricky Stanzi?
Yeah, I said it. He betrayed us.
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
SCANDALOUS LIES
Ricky was a true American and would never proclaim himself king or allow himself to be worshipped in a kingly fashion.
Or have you forgotten our calls for Stanzi-Leman, a presidential ticket that embraces the democratic process. We weren’t calling for him to stage a coup.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Ricky lost games.
Chuck Burkhart never lost no games.
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
You keep changing the argument, trickster.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I wonder if Dan Gable has the largest coaching tree out of all sports in the NCAA.
Kind of like how Iowa wrestling has the longest streak of conference tournament titles out of every conference in sport.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The funny thing is one of his biggest challengers for that title is (or was)... Hayden Fry.
I would think John Wooden has (had) a pretty healthy coaching tree, too.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I know, that is pretty amazing for our little school.
During the bowl games this season ESPN, I think, put Dan McCarney under Urban Meyer not Fry and I almost broke my parent’s television. Not cool man, not cool at all.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
He is the best at everything else (I’m glaring at you PSU peeps) so why not that too
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Glare away, friendo
Ain’t nobody here questioning Gable’s Greatness.
Besides, JoePa’s coaching tree just withers and retires—all before he does.
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
I am mostly glaring at Rambler and letsgopsu
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Itchin for a Deer Fight?
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
No, but rutters gonna rut.
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by Lycurgus on Aug 16, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man, Zalesky really did tank at the end, didn't he?
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
It was the wrestling program's decision to stay at Rec Hall.
The fanbase isn’t large enough to fit the BJC, plus the BJC sucks, so I wouldn’t blame the administration.
And, yeah, Penn State had some good years. They were fairly competitive in the early and mid ’90s with some really good wrestlers along the way, particularly in the ’90s (Ken Chertow, Jim Martin, McCoy, John Hughes, Jeff Prescott, Sanshiro Abe, among others).
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought I was being nice by blaming the administration and not the fanbase.
That has to be the time period I’m thinking of. I remember Abe b/c he had a funny name to me at the time.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
How's your PA stay coming along?
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
I really like it here so far
Which is good since I work in Pharma and will be staying here unless I someday get a job at Abbott or Lily in all likelihood.
The major caveat is that the Brewers-Phillies and Packers-Eagles could both end up as playoff matchups if current predictions hold true (they rarely do). That could drastically alter my experiences around here. The Eagles-Packers thing would probably lead to a bar fight if I still went to bars.
Hey, good to hear
Are you in Lancaster? Working for Pfizer?
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
I would say that Okie State and Minnesota duals exhibit some of pretty aggressive fan behavior. We don’t like the pokes, but the Gophers are like the red-headed, adopted brother you never wanted and just can’t get rid of.
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I hate Minnesota wrestling but I FUCKING HATE OkState.
PSU doesn’t even rank on my hate-o-meter. I would say ISU is somewhere between Minny and OkState.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I still remember attending the Iowa-Okie State dual in '08 (the last dual we lost, actually).
It was incredibly intense and exciting; definitely a better atmosphere for that meet than for all but a handful of basketball games I attended at CHA as a student.
I like the Okie State hate because it’s exclusive to wrestling. The Minnesota hate bleeds over into a lot of other sports, too, but Okie State is pure wrestling. I’m pretty sure most Iowa fans (I know I don’t) have no particularly strong feelings one way or the other about Okie State basketball or football.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I guess my feeling stems from the fact that I have some respect for a fellow patrician. Letting Minny hang around is like letting a fucking plebe run for Consul, the wrestling gods have never been so offended.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Do you consider Penn State even more nouveau riche than Minnesota?
Or does that national title in 195whatever give them a little more standing?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Of course, but we have kind of covered that territory. I am not feeling up to weathering the Rambler-wrath today and some of these PSU guys are not so bad.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Noted.
Keep your danger dander down, Rambler.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Penn State is nouveau riche, but they shouldn't be.
Pennsylvania has always had more wrestling talent than anyone else and the state has really separated itself within the last decade or so. It’s completely ridiculous, really, that the flagship program of the best wrestling state in the country – which is located in the central part of the state, the strongest area, depth-wise, of talent in the state – took this long to be good. Penn State should have been winning national titles consistently years ago. We’re making up for wasted time, and our rise isn’t based on cheating like those stupidly-dressed new money hacks in Oregon.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Debateable
best wrestling state in the country
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Prove otherwise.
Please, prove otherwise. I’d especially enjoy it if you looked up and posted the stats on NCAAs competitors or All-Americans by states because I enjoy watching Pennsylvania dominate.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not going to do that
In pure numbers game you win. You have a population many times the size of Iowa and thus, more quality wrestlers. Number of wrestlers isn’t the only way to define the quality of state and its wrestling. I would say that wrestling culture, the interest of the population, and the sports almost inexorable connection to very nature of the state in Iowa is as great as anywhere else in country. By per capita numbers, your participation and AA figures swing strongly toward Iowa. I am from a state where hogs outnumber people 6:1 and when you talk to a people from around the country, who have ever had even the slightest connection to wrestling, and tell them you wrestled in Iowa there is an instant look of respect. The Iowa wrestling state tournament is the most attended indoor event in the state. We don’t have your numbers, but there is nothing like wrestling in Iowa and no place cares more about the sport than our state.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
YEAH! What Lycurgus said!! Take that Rambler!!
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
What did he say?
He bragged about Iowa’s interest level in the sport and about how many people live in Pennsylvania and so on and so forth. And that’s great. What I know is that a good deal of people in Pennsylvania don’t care about wrestling. Philadelphia, for instance, the state’s largest city, doesn’t send us any champions. Pennsylvania’s best wrestlers come from Pittsburgh and its suburbs, a few cities like Bethlehem and Allentown, and, for the most part, rural, less-populated portions of the state that are culturally much like Iowa (Seriously, don’t tell me there’s a huge difference between Chance Marsteller’s farm and Tommy Brands’ farm). There aren’t that many more people interested in wrestling in Pennsylvania than there are in Iowa. But somewhere along the way, we got better. Numbers can be dismissed, I suppose, but they tell me that Pennsylvanians are more involved in the sport of wrestling than Iowans.
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm
Maybe these numbers?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Aug 16, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jtot has a chart or something like that.
I don’t know where he posted it. I’ve also seen it on some other wrestling boards, but I can’t find it now.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The fact that there are many, many more Pennsylvanians in the NCAAs than there are scholarships alloted to each Pennsylvania team.
The fact that there are more Pennsylvanians at the NCAAs than wrestlers from any other state (For the record, NJ and Ohio were second and third). The fact that Pennsylvania all-stars beat the U.S. all-stars at Dapper Dan.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
You have like 4 times the population of Iowa!
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
I'm drunk!
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
You seem to be arguing against yourself
There aren’t that many more people interested in wrestling in Pennsylvania than there are in Iowa
Numbers can be dismissed, I suppose, but they tell me that Pennsylvanians are more involved in the sport of wrestling than Iowans.
So, there seem to be a number of Pennsylvanians who are involved in wrestling, but not interested
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl9keuNp6gc
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
You are missing the entire per capita part of his argument.
He concedes that in sheer number, yes, you do have more wrestlers but when you compute it as a percentage of the states population Iowa comes out on top. It doesn’t matter that people in Phily don’t care about wrestling, that’s your problem in your argument, not ours. From river to shining river in Iowa people care/know about wrestling.
You admitted yourself that the reason they Iowa dual was held in the Rec building/center/area/whatever was because PSU wrestling did not have the interest or support (whichever word you used) to warrant it being held at a larger venue. To me, and probably most Iowa fans, that is just sad and because of that it doesn’t matter what your grand total of wrestlers is. Pennsylvania does not hold a candle to Iowa with regards to wrestling.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
You know, I may be full of crap
But I’m not dumb enough to miss this:
Pennsylvania does not hold a candle to Iowa with regards to wrestling.
So should I assume that the same is also true for Ohio and New Jersey, both of whom had more qualifying wrestlers than Iowa?
Just because you’re better per-capita or what have you doesn’t change the fact that Pennsylvania clearly has more wrestlers than you.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
They are all good wrestling states. Hell. But Iowa as is as good as any. The sport is mythical here. I saw a college baseball game stop dead in its tracks when Gable walked in the stadium. Everyone in the stands said hello to him. He is a God here. I’ve seen my mom to the point of seething anger of perceived slights toward Gable. People love wrestling here and more than numbers of AA’s that is what makes it a great wrestling state.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Arguing with you is like...I don't know, some backwoods country saying that I can't think of right now.
I’m not conceding I’m just tired of your bs.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
This works.
He is mad at me because I don’t like Walker, Texas Ranger.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 17, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate that show
In general, I have a strong dislike of most things Chuck Norris. Not just the stupid Chuck Norris cult, but his ability to only play a single character, himself.
Good news
Jtot will eventually get around to proving you wrong because he’s smart and not a crazy person like me. Also, he’s not drunk.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Good lord, man
Put down the crack. Take a breath. Back away from the dander.
By ‘address’ I mean research, and see what it shows us. I’d guess the psu old-heads have already documented this shite somewhere, but I’d seriously consider settling down on your assertion.
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
chicken! bawk bawk bawk! chicken!
I mean, really, if I were you, I’d be excited. After all, I’m a human, and you’re a chicken, and how often is a chicken smarter than a human?
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
These numbers were posted on The Mat
2011 All American totals
These are the number of people in the state per All American
AA’s per capita (# of people per AA)
Pennsylvania: 1.27 million
Iowa: 0.57 million
NJ: 1.46 million
Minnesota: 1.06 million
Utah: 0.69 million
Colorado: 1.26 million
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
No, YOU suck.
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Pennsylvania had 10 AAs. New Jersey and Iowa tied for second place with 6 AAs.
Does this mean that Iowa is the same as New Jersey? Yes.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Go Rutgers.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Rutgers is an all NJ team
Except for one massive redhead HWT that I saw at the gym last month who’s from Malvern
I can't believe you are making me come over here to post this.
When you take the number of All Americans and divide them by the number of qualifiers, giving you the percent of AA/qualifiers. Iowa is better than PA and NJ and PA is actually worse than NJ.
IA 6/19=31.5%
NJ 6/26=20.7
PA 10/49=20.4%
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not talking to you until you apologize for what you said about Walker.
Sorry.
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I've heard you talk about your bro
How good/decent/shitty were you, in HS? When did you first hit the mats? Who was the most influential wrestling proponent in your family?
/will read this like a tabloid at the supermarket
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
I didn’t start until middle school (my brother started when he was 4 or 5). I was middling. I was pretty good on my feet, but not a terribly strong mat wrestler. My senior year was my most successful. I wrestled at ‘71, but usually weighed in at about ’63 or ’64. My district had the 1st and 2nd ranked guys in the state at 3A (top class) and I finished 3rd (didn’t qualify for state). I think I had some potential, but I played baseball and football too and never focused enough on wrestling to really improve like I needed to. My brother is much, much better. He is fun to talk to about it. He is at a different level than I ever was.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Cool beans
Thanks for sharing.
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
Because no one wants to live in a state with less wrestlers than PA.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Sadly out of all of the Iowa v. OkState duals I have attended I don't think I have ever seen Iowa win.
I can’t remember if I was there in 2008, I don’t think I was, but some day I would like to see Iowa win one of these in person.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You are like the bad luck idol from the Brady Bunch. Do large spiders mysteriously appear when you come round?
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
She was at last year's jNW football game, too.
HMM. Has Iowa won any game you’ve attended, CW? Are we going to have to bar you from attending Iowa sporting events?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
From what I hear, the bad luck of that extended beyond the result on the field.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
I know
it is the Fitzgerald-taint she carries with her. Fate knows you and your deeds/thoughts CW and she is not amused.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
She's carried Fitzgerald's taint?
It was from that showering incident, wasn’t it?
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
Bathing with the enemy.
Tsk-tsk.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
At least I bathe.
Wait, no, that’s not what I meant. I mean, I bathe, just not with any BigTen coaches.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
For the record, I have not nor (sadly) will I probably ever shower w/ Pat Fitzgerald.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
YES!
They have won a lot of the games/meets I have been too and lost some of the ones I have been to. I was at the PSU football game last year and the Michigan dual just to name a couple. 2010 Indiana and 2009 Purdue football as well.
I don’t like either of your attitudes and I don’t understand what you are trying to say Lycurgus. For the record, I do not carry the taint of Pat Fitzgerald with me, that would be difficult to do.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm.
2010 Indiana almost went very badly. Iowa didn’t play Purdue in 2009? Do you mean 2008, when Greene ran amok? In spite of that Herculean effort, that was another game Iowa almost lost (stupid missed extra points and Bad Ricky)… I’m not sure you’re helping your cause here.
Although Iowa did beat the pants off Michigan last year in the dual, so you’ve got that going for you.
I think we’re going to have to keep an eye on your attendance and make sure you’re jinxing powers are as fraudulent as you claim.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Oh fuck, time is hard.
2009 Indiana and 2008 Purdue football as well. I’m old, cut me some slack.
If Jacobi is right, the football team and I are so screwed. I’m going to Pitt, PSU, jNW, maybe Michigan and UNL.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
If you screw up the Pitt game for me, so help me.....
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
I've never seen Iowa lose to PSU in person
So maybe we’ll be okay there.
I’ve also never seen Iowa beat jNW in person, so perhaps it’s good I won’t be at that one this year.
UNL? Not sure, maybe we’ll cancel each other out. As long as I don’t buy a jersey of any current players, we’re good.
Until I went to the Indiana game with The Nephew he had never been to a game the Hawks won.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
we're doomfucked.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I'll cancel out CW's bad ju-ju for the Pitt game.
I’ve only been in attendance for 4 loses (3 to jNFW).
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
You need to stop going to jNW games.
Although they’ve also lost the last three I attended (06, 07, 10).
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I know, right?
I keep a list of all the games I’ve been at, the scores and such. We’ve outscored jNFW 75-50 when I’ve been there.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
I was at the '02 game
The score difference from that game alone should keep Iowa in the black, even if Iowa loses the next five Iowa-jNW games I attend.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That was the one that kept us in the black for me as well.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
The '96 game took a hefty chunk out of that difference, though.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
NOOOOO.
There is no way I’m bad luck. I can’t be. I LOVE THOSE BOYS I WOULDN’T DO THAT TO THEM!!
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't she at the Chiefs game?
I think she was and how did the chiefs do? the lost and Ricky had no protection from the O-line.
Her case of being a bad luck charm is becoming more clear now.
All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 17, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh come on!
I’m not taking the blame for every time a team loses. I don’t even like the Chiefs.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 17, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
hmmm
where you at my HS basketball game when we lost to the Michigan team at the tourney in Minneapolis? This would have been in 1989.
If you were then you need to stay away from Iowa sporting events.
All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 17, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
And quieter.
I’m not sure everyone at that meet was even awake.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Cordial trash talking.
Lots of talk about the national championship, not much more than that, I think.
Enjoy the loss.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I've heard he also scratches under his chin and gives him an extra portion of hay if he was really good.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Aug 16, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who do you think cleans up after the unicorn?
It’s how he fertilizes his corn.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No. Busy then.
Taylor cleans himself up because he’s not a drugged-up pig like Iowa wrestlers.
I’d like to try to make a dual (Maybe Lock Haven or Pitt), but I don’t know. Long drive up there.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey now, that is not okay.
Don’t call our boys drugged-up pigs. That is not cool.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 16, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
They're drugged-up pigs!
Look, PSU has pigs too. Take whoever our 197 guy was last year. I guess there two of them. They wrestled as ineffectively as a pig because they weren’t drugged-up as you guys are!
Like I said, Brands was once on Cops with his pupils dilated, saying “I’m just tryin’ to find the spirit of Gable, officer. I’m just tryin’ to find it, officer.”
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Is this the week that you want to talk about substance abuse and police encounters?
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by Lycurgus on Aug 16, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure.
Brands was one of the Cops! That’s how corrupt Iowa is!
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I was looking at the wrestling media guide for Iowa/OkState individual dual scores
and if you haven’t looked at it you really should. Tom and Terry look TINY (page 36), Barry smiles in every picture he is in his uniform, Fullhart is still gorgeous, Mark Reiland’s mullet rivals that of Lincoln, Lincoln doesn’t have a mullet in his picture (page 41), I want to kick Mocco in the balls every time I see him and other thoughts.
That's hideous.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Of course.
That’s how Kolat was conceived.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Better than most Iowa wrestlers:
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't be dissin' pro grapplin' around here.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Question: Can a post about Iowa wrestling on an Iowa blog not turn into a long, drawn-out series of diatribes about Penn State vs. Iowa?
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
I didn't start it this time!
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
No, because we don't know any Okie State wrestling fans 'round these parts.
Nor many Minny fans, for that matter.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I told you Pennsylvania cares more!
It just took the non-wrestling families (I will make my Dad a wrestling fan) of the state to realize it.
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 16, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
You =/= all Pennsylvania.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Its sad
When i was first getting into College wrestling i went over to SBN’s OK State site, to get a different point of view on their wrestling team, because its OK State, so i figured they would pay some attention to their most successful sports program.
They ended up just basically saying “Hey, uh, some wrestling thing is happening” and redirected me to BHGP. It was then that i realized that BHGP was pretty much the official Amateur wrestling site on this sports blogsight.. ive since had that viewpoint strengthened since every time Amateur wrestling is mentioned on an MMA site you get some mix of the words “Boring” “Gay” and “Lesnar Sucks”
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 16, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
There is an Okie State guy on rivals who knows his shit and has good stuff to say. He spends a lot of time on Hawkeyereport. Those guys can be obnoxious, but a lot of them are close to the program and spend time in the room.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Oh, i think Hawkeyereport has around 4 or 5 guys who really know their stuff wrestling wise
its practically the only reason i go there
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 16, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Many thanks.
Now if you can just convince SBN to send me to Big Tens or NCAAs…
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
They should send you. Hell. I’m sure you would need a guy to carry your stuff and help you set up and also talk to Ironside, right.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Well, naturally.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Wait now.
Are you taking applications?
by EnergizerHawk on Aug 16, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
just tell me what to sign and i would
As long as you keep up the level of great amateur wrestling writing, i think you should go. No one else is going on SBN and i would really enjoy the read.
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 16, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
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