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So I Said A Few Unflattering Things About Iowa

I podcasted with the CBSSports.com bros earlier this week. Listen and enjoy!


 

So... yeah. Tied for second in the West (technically) at the end of the day, and that seems good, but I didn't really have good things to say about Iowa, did I? No, no I didn't. But really -- that defensive line is a major question mark, isn't it? It's a guy who wrested away a starting spot mid-season last year, then practically stopped producing after that (Mike Daniels), the guy he (indirectly) took the starting spot from (Broderick Binns) [via Christian Ballard versatility], then two as-yet undetermined guys who could barely get on the field last year even when the starters crapped out in the fourth quarters. You see how that's a problem, right?

That said, I've still got them at 9-3 (5-3) this season, but the losses are going to be just unbearable: at Penn State, against Northwestern (oh, you know it's coming), and at Nebraska. Three fan bases we will never hear the end of it from until the 2012 season. The only way it could be worse is if Iowa lost to ISU, and uh... that game's in Ames. Oh, who are we kidding, Iowa's going to win that one by three TDs*.

 But nine wins is still nine wins, right? Technically, yes, but...

Star-divide

...but the 2008, 2009, and 2010 teams could probably get 10+ wins out of this schedule. It's mighty nice. This is Iowa's weakest team since 2007, and will probably be the first since then to lose by more than one possession. 

Pitt is the only challenge in the non-conference, and they're in the first year of learning a spread-and-shred offense with Tino goddamn Sunseri under center. Do you have any idea how badly Norm Parker is going to slap Todd Graham around? This has Iowa-Northwestern 2000 written all over it, except Iowa's good.

Past that, half of Iowa's in-conference road games are wasted on Minnesota and OUR MOST HATED RIVAL Purdue, neither of whom are any good this year. They're not particularly well-suited to exploiting Iowa's weaknesses, either; Minnesota's lines may both be the worst in the conference, and Purdue's not about to "run all over" Iowa, as I put it in the podcast. In fact, Iowa's new emphasis on LB speed over size seems tailor-made to counteract an offense like Purdue's, which makes sense (since we hate them).

But the three losses, though, I don't see Iowa getting out of. The Hawkeyes can't keep winning at Happy Valley forever, Northwestern's legit good this year, and a win over Nebraska is really not happening this year. I know, I hate that. This'll be the most unbearable offseason ever--way worse than this one, and if you disagree, realize how few Minnesota fans have been here bragging about last November's game. Won't be the same once Nebraska and Northwestern get their Ws, will it?

Back to the original point: There are some real weak points on this Iowa team -- mainly depth-related -- and they'd be negatives even if Iowa didn't choke so often in 2010. I trust James Vandenberg, for the record, but the rest of the new starters not so much. If it weren't for the staff's track record -- like, give these guys Illinois' or Purdue's coaching staffs -- we'd be talking about a six-win ballclub, probably. That they're still worth nine wins in my projections (which will be available on CBSSports.com on Friday!) is a testament more to Kirk Ferentz and the schedule he was handed than the talent evident on the team. Hey, I'm not complaining. Any way you can get nine wins, you take it, right?

So go ahead, feel free to call me a Northwestern-loving fair-weather fan in the comments below. I probably deserve it.

*Anyone familiar with the track record of BHGP's editorial hubris knows that the Cyclones are now about to fucking destroy Iowa. Whatever, the Cyclones suck a butt this year.

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I appreciate your honesty, even though I don't like what you have to say

Especially since I’m going to two games this year, PSU and UNL. Fuck me if you’re right. That being said, at least you’re calling things question marks and concerns and not outright panicking because of it. Damn you and your journalistic integrity.

by PackerHawk on Aug 11, 2011 8:05 AM CDT reply actions  

I haven't listened to the podcast yet, but I can't disagree with your analysis.

The only one of those three I think could be more of a tossup is @PSU, and that’s probably a stretch (but who the fuck knows? We are their jNWU, after all). As utterly loathe as I am to say it, I just don’t see Iowa ever beating jNWU again – until it actually happens, you know? I.e., until I’m proven wrong, I’m picking the fucking Cats every time.
And Nebraska? Yeah. Not this year.

Oh – and if (ok, ok, “when”) fucking Northwestern does beat Iowa, they had better goddamn win their fucking bowl game.


"Oh, glorious cheeseburger, we bow to thee. The secrets of the Universe are between the buns."

by Bucketochicken on Aug 11, 2011 8:12 AM CDT reply actions  

jNW does win their bowl,

problem is that Iowa is their bowl game. I just happended to watch last year’s Iowa-jNW game over the weekend on BTN, boy was that painful. Seeing the joy on Fitz’s face burns me and it shows how important the game really is to him.

by IowaFan81 on Aug 11, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is true

But I sometimes shudder at the whole “this is their bowl game” line. Shouldn’t each game be important? Like shouldn’t the jNW game just as important for us as it is for them? Wizgerald has to die.

by bornofclay on Aug 11, 2011 10:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

YES. THIS.

Ferentz was asked why he always loses to jNWU in the Carlos O’Kelly’s radio show thing after last year’s game, and his response was something to the effect of “It’s only one football game.” I wish for once that we took a game against Northwestern (or Iowa State) (or Indiana) as seriously as our opponents do. We don’t, and the coach has admitted as much.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Aug 11, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think KF & Co. do take it that seriously,

but only after losing to those teams repeatedly and in embarrassing fashion. We seem to have turned that corner with Iowa State – it seems like more emphasis is placed on that game now, after the increase in parity in the last decade (an increase that, on paper anyway, is completely unjustifiable).
Perhaps last year’s jNW damp turd of a game was the last straw in that series as well, and a similar redirected focus and increase in intensity will be placed on Fitz & the Cats as well.
That, or we’ll lose again. Whichever.


"Oh, glorious cheeseburger, we bow to thee. The secrets of the Universe are between the buns."

by Bucketochicken on Aug 11, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Iowa was focused on winning against Northwestern both in '09 & '10.

Iowa jumped out to a 10-0 lead in ‘09 and appeared to be ready to destroy them. I can’t put that loss on KF. Ricky also threw idiotic deep ball to DJK last year in Evanston seemingly demonstrating Iowa’s desire to step on the throat of jNW instead of simply hitting a wide open McNutt underneath to kill more time, and potentially put the game away.

If the desire is there for the players, does the coach’s response matter? I mean, I agree with Patrick in that I wish that KF showed a little fire, but I don’t think his boring attitude is necessarily rubbing off on the players.

by The Mexican't on Aug 11, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty much convinced Iowa would have won in '09 if not for the phantom holding.

"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk

by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

There are always questionable calls in every game.

You can’t leave it in the hands of the officials.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Aug 11, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Last year was stupid. The called holding right off the bat on our guys and the very next drive Ballard and Clayborn both picked up some nice purple capes.

"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

No argument there. AC was held damn near every snap the last two seasons.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Aug 11, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this too.

Dammit. I’d rather just hate the refs. As it is, I just assume they’re rooting for our opponents, and dare them to prove otherwise.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 11, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I understand your point.

Iowa, in all likelihood, would have smashed them if Stanzi had stayed healthy. If not for the holding call, Iowa would have had a lead and I suspect the defense could have shut out NW with the way they had been playing.

I’m not inclined to blame the offense for looking disjointed when their quarterback was suddenly an overwhelmed freshman and when their best chance at scoring had been removed by the officials.

"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk

by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and I should mention that Iowa's offense frequently looked disjointed even when Stanzi was still the quarterback.

It’s just that they didn’t actually look disjointed when he was able that day. So, perhaps it’s more of a shock when you return from competency to incompetency in such a short time? I don’t know.

"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk

by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Still, how do you not win that game? jNW offense was just as disjointed and after the injury both teams spent most of the day between the 40’s it seemed. I know it was a traumatic event, but that game was a bad coaching day in my opinion.

"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was weird. Everything was going glowingly.

Then Rick went down and the air just went out of the stadium. It was like everyone just went “Oh shit, here we go again with another loss to jNW.”

It reminded me of when whatshisname caught the foul ball at Wrigley in that pennant game. All the Cubs fans I knew instantly went “Well, that’s it. We’re gonna lose.”

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 11, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I sat on my couch and thought “holy shit” the game is over. There might even have been tears. I’m admitting nothing.

by Carfino'sWay on Aug 11, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

The craziest thing about that game for me

is that I was home with my kids (two at that time) while my wife was out. I was playing Mr. Mom and running around taking care of them while “watching” the game on ESPN360 when I ended up having to put my son down for a nap with Iowa up 10-0. When I came back down the score was 10-7 & James Vandenberg was in. I couldn’t quite grasp what was going on for almost a full quarter.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 11, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

My sister called right after it happened to say she was going to stop by and watch the rest with me.

I ended up sounding like I was crying when I was telling her what happened. She asked if I was, in deed, crying and I said what I said above “I am admitting nothing.”

by Carfino'sWay on Aug 11, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

He didn't actually cause the Cubs to lose.

But as far as the fanbase, and maybe the team, were concerned, it was the seemingly inevitable moment when the losing kicked in.
It may not have caused the loss, but it was the moment that Cub fans could point to and say, “Well, that was bound to happen. Now we’re gonna lose, like we always do.”

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 12, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I'm saying is there shouldn't be one call by the officials, that completely decides a game.

There are plenty of plays to be made in every game. One call shouldn’t be the difference between winning and losing. Does it suck to have points taken off the board? Absolutely. But that one call was not the only difference between winning and losing.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Aug 11, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Still we were corn-holed on that call by the refs.

That was a classic pancake block by the center, definitely not a hold.

by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Aug 11, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

THIS!

Wegher HAD that fucking touchdown. But the refs seemed to be responding to criticism from the Indiana game the week before on a lot of their phantom calls and no calls (Northwestern should have been called for pass interference on each of the last four Iowa plays in that game… some of them were OBVIOUS too).

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 11, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I hate to throw everyone's hero under the bus

but both of those losses turned on Stanzi’s errors.

The ’09 game saw Iowa come out like a buzzsaw but yet another untimely STANZIBALL allowed jNW to pin Iowa in their own endzone with a punt on the ensuing possession and, well, we know how that ended. I truly felt they were pumped up enough and that the crowd had enough energy to make that game a lesser version of ’02.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 11, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think KF

has too much of the pro-mentality where the goal is to make the playoffs,

There are no playoffs Kirk, You gotta win ’em all.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

8-4 is great with the Ravens. It’s pretty damn mediocre at Iowa with a schedule full of cake.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Aug 11, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

mmm cake

mmmm cake

"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk

by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dude, I LOVE cake but I wouldn't eat any of the cake in the first picture.

I have never understood why Kirk looks at all the games in the exact same way. I guess since I don’t pay any attention to the NFL I didn’t think about it in those terms.

by Carfino'sWay on Aug 11, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

What if Fitz was serving it?

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Aug 11, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

No comment.

Is it white cake? No, no comment.

by Carfino'sWay on Aug 11, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's more butt cake than bundt cake.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 11, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are dead to me. DEAD.

"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I’d much rather eat it off of the Brands bros… Not sure that helps.

Ok, I should stop before I get chided for threadjacking. We can discuss inappropriate lust for opposing coaches in Hamsterdam tonight. You can finally open up about your feelings for Pat Summit.

by PackerHawk on Aug 11, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t want to have to put you on my shit list Packer. It is already too crowded with family and confederates.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who wouldn't?

"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk

by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bobby Douglas’ wife

"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cael pushed Bobby Douglas out!

Of her life!

"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk

by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you weren’t so historical, we would be fighting right now.

"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's almost time, my friend.

(Note: I wanted to post a picture of ancient depictions of Greek wrestling here, but the ones I could find all had penises.)

"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk

by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that is all of the depictions; they all have penises.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do Penn State wrestlers not have penises?

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Aug 11, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're unicorns do

Just ask Chazz, or whoever it was that had a run in with that thing at [redacted] practice.

by PackerHawk on Aug 11, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

THEIR

OMG, I just committed one of my personal pet peeves…

by PackerHawk on Aug 11, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

This makes sense; I always suspected

that David Taylor was an Unsullied.

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan

by Kluginator on Aug 11, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well he probably does kill puppies, so...


"Oh, glorious cheeseburger, we bow to thee. The secrets of the Universe are between the buns."

by Bucketochicken on Aug 11, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would like it to be recognized that that rec is not from me.

There are just some things I will not do. This is one of them.

by Carfino'sWay on Aug 11, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's part of his coaching the players to control their emotions, all the time.

During the ups and downs during an actual game, he wants his players focused and thinking about what they need to do, rather than get too high after a good play that they get complacent, or start to panic when shit goes wrong. When you circle a game on the calendar, it could feed into emotions. That’s my guess. On the other hand, guys have to be motivated somehow, and I wonder how Kirk actually achieves this. “Ok guys, you get 3 days of social networking if we win.”

Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.

by Give Eddie a Beer on Aug 11, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Guys have to be motivated somehow"

Shouldn’t winning a game be motivation enough? Yes, yes, I realize it’s difficult to get up as much as necessary for every game. Of course, the problem is, generally the games you don’t get as pumped for are against the teams who aren’t as talented, but perhaps more motivated than we are (see: jNW).

"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe

by Brock8144 on Aug 11, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kirk SHOULD look at every game the same way...

“Okay lose this one and we’re fucked out of the nat’l championship”

“Okay lose this one and we’re fucked out of the big ten title”

Just to clarify, because I’m worried some people will scoff at the mention of a chance at a national title, we’re a decent program in a major conference, so to me, we should have goals like that, even as a fan base.

by bornofclay on Aug 11, 2011 12:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

We want nothing more then to get that bowl win drought off our backs, believe me

Its been too damn long. We’ve been consistently bowl eligible for a while now, so it’s bound to happen one of these years. I hope you guys go bowling too and win your game

by LincolnParkWildcat on Aug 11, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Considering Iowa's record last year and everything they lost

would 4-8 shock anyone? It probably shouldn’t, but it would. Why? Because just when you think Iowa’s about to OMG SUCK BIG T1M3, they rip off 10+ wins. That’s just how Ferentz rolls.

I’m expecting something in the 7-9 wins range, but wouldn’t find anything in the 5 to 11 wins range to be particularly stunning. There’s a lot of proven talent that graduated. There’s what should be really good talent replacing it. There are question marks in places. There are exclamation points in places, too.

In a year and a division where 5-3 might actually get Iowa to the B1G Championship Game and then it’s one game against either the Bielema / Chryst braintrust, the Ginger Avenger, the Waterboy, or the Zooker for the title, a conference championship and BCS game is very possible.

"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.

by ckmneon on Aug 11, 2011 8:16 AM CDT reply actions  

I would consider 4-8 a disappointment, regardless of who we beat.

“but beat Nebraska and Iowa State” is ISU mentality. Substitute Iowa for Iowa State and that is who they view things in Ames. If they beat Iowa and/or Nebby, they’re happy.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Aug 11, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I realize that's ISU mentality

But if you’re going to have a bad season, that’s the way to do it. I mean sure, I’d rather go 9-3 and lose to both of them than 4-8 and beat them, but would I rather go 6-6 and play in the Pizza! Pizza! bowl? No.

by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Aug 11, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice ISU mentality.

I don’t buy it. That season would suck big time.

They say you're a pitcher, you're sure not much of a dresser. We wear caps and sleeves on this level, son.

by isHawkeye on Aug 11, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I could read

I would see this was already said.

They say you're a pitcher, you're sure not much of a dresser. We wear caps and sleeves on this level, son.

by isHawkeye on Aug 11, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

This coaching staff has raised my expectations when it comes to Iowa football.

I expect to go bowling every year.

"I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe." -- Nile Kinnick
~~ Never gets old.

by HawksNation on Aug 11, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Northwestern and Neb I can agree with, but I just feel like Penn State is not that good this year.

I’ll take my beating from Penn State fans if they have reason to believe they’ll be a strong team, but I see huge question marks on offense. I know nothing about the defense, but if it’s expected to be strong, then I think we’re looking at a 6-4 redux in 2011.

by The Mexican't on Aug 11, 2011 8:18 AM CDT reply actions  

It's all about consistency of the o-line and QBs at PSU

They had moments last year where they were really good, and moments where they weren’t good at all. For better or worse, they’re pretty much all back.

The skilled guys on offense should be insanely good, and the defense is pretty loaded. Give me 05/08 PSU o-line and QB play (possible), and I’m expecting an 11-1/12-0 year. Give me 06/10 o-line and QB play (possible), and I’m expecting an 8-4ish year. Give me 07/09 play, I’m expecting a 9 win team.

"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.

by ckmneon on Aug 11, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

But nobody so far has mentioned Michigan or Michigan State.

IF (<-look, it’s a big if!) Hoke can get their shit together on defense and that-guy-who-won’t-win-a-Heisman can adapt to the offensive changes, they could have a pretty good year. Iowa has never been built for a shoot out so we better hope we don’t get into one.

Michigan State, as I recall, returns most of a team that won a bunch of games last year. Yes, they got their ass beat in Kinnick, but was that just them doing a face plant on the same day Iowa actually met their potential? Dunno. But they aren’t going to suck and we don’t have the same potential we had last year.

My only prediction is that we make it to a bowl game this year.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why everyone thinks Hoke is going to come into Michigan and immediately turn things around.

Am I missing something? Yes, they have a lot of athletic players and for some reason still seem to recruit very well but they are working with a defense that was complete shit last year and with a quarterback, and I use that term loosely, who runs the ball WAY too much to be effective down the stretch.

by Carfino'sWay on Aug 11, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Turn Things Around

may be a bit strong. But don’t forget, they did make a bowl game last year and their offense did put up a lot of points last year. If their defense hadn’t blown goat balls, RichRod might still be employed. Since a big part of their defensive problem got walked out the door with Rodriguez, it’s hard to say what will happen. I think that defensively they will be noticibly better than last year, and that could very well be enough to make them a problem for a team like Iowa that has it’s own set of unknowns to deal with.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right, they made a bowl game that they promptly shit the bed in.

They are learning a new system with their new coach. I just think that this year is a little soon to start talking about them as a contender in the division. Hoke is unproven in the BigTen.

by Carfino'sWay on Aug 11, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, college. Them's the days.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 11, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Holy.

That is an absolutely glorious description.

by EnergizerHawk on Aug 12, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does Hoke run the spread? I mean, this is where people lose me. Michigan is again on the ground floor of rebuilding an offense. They have talented players, but are they manned to run what Hoke is going to want to run?

"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hoke has said

that while the offensive philosphy is going to change, they are also going to work to use what they have, especially Denard’s unique skillset.

Big question mark, I admit. But not at all a show stopper.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Still, RichRod did have some skills on offense. I wonder if people are going to realize that not everyone can just move into a situation and put up the offensive numbers that Michigan did last year. Also, Michigan’s offensive output last year against Iowa had a lot to do with Forcier being in the game. Before he came in, the game looked to be as bad as what Michigan took in their Bowl.

"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed here

Much like with what Minnesota is doing with Gray at QB, Robinson is simply a spread QB. Put him under center, or in a much more passing-oriented offense, and they’re asking for disaster. The guy is amazingly talented as a runner, much less so throwing the ball.

"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe

by Brock8144 on Aug 11, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Hoke is smart enough that Robinson's role may devolve back toward running as the season progresses

Then again, he may be stubborn enough to keep jamming that square peg into the round hole.

by PackerHawk on Aug 12, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

The thing that annoys me most about Robinson is that he doesn't play the traditional quarterback roll.

I know that quarterbacks can run and that the position evolves with the game but I don’t think what he does is what most people would consider quarterbacking if you asked them. This is why I think he is a joke of a Heisman candidate. He is a fantastic athlete but he doesn’t play his position. A QB shouldn’t be a running back that occasionally throws the ball when he can’t run it himself.

by Carfino'sWay on Aug 12, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Vince Young scoffs at your haterade

As does Timmeh! And any Nebraska option QB who won the Heisman.

by PackerHawk on Aug 12, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the real reason to hate him

is the fact that he can’t even last a whole game.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 12, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

in the Big Ten

he seemed fine against Directional University of Small Town in Rural State.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Aug 12, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

DUDE

DON’T YOU KNOW ABOUT SILAS REDD?

by mikjones24 on Aug 11, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

DUDE

MIKE ZORDICH! MUSTACHE!

Also, have I mentioned that Joe Paterno – the greatest coach ever – has announced to the players, the staff (Whom he told, “Your day in the sun is over”), and the media that he has made the necessary change: becoming much more active in coaching his team. He even says he’s going to call more plays, which is a welcome change since I hope he’ll use common sense and stop this end-around on third down idiocy.

Paterno admitted that he wasn’t doing enough, now he is. He doesn’t visit recruits anymore; he uses Skype. He got hit the other day and is still recovering, so he’s now watching everybody and taking notes from a golf cart.

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huge question marks for PSU: None, really.

Really, none. There are question marks on the offensive line, but I don’t see any of them as being particularly “huge” ones. The offensive line will probably not be that great, but the Big Ten’s defensive lines aren’t going to be that great either. And anyway, most of the talent returning on the line has gotten more experience than what backups on other lines have gotten before (This is why the 2009 line struggled so mightily). I suspect this line will be much like last year’s line: surprisingly excellent in pass blocking, and, shall we say, sometimes difficult to watch if you like power football in run blocking.

There are no other scary question marks on the offense. The tailbacks are all really talented and really young (With the exception of Green), the fullbacks are awesome (Especially Zordich, WHO’S GROWING A MUSTACHE JUST LIKE HIS OLD MAN RAISED HIM!), the wide receivers are Derek Moye (Legitimate AA candidate) and a bunch of obviously talented but fairly young players. Finally the tight ends aren’t really proven yet, but they’re obviously capable of being fine football players.

If you think I’m being optimistic about the quarterbacks, I am. I see no reason not to be. Bolden is going to be a good quarterback someday. That’s all there is to that. For all of the talk from the fanbase about their hatred for him, McGloin – whom I suspect will start – has shown the ability to play well. The tape from the first half of the Ohio State game proves that. He handles pressure surprisingly well (Far better than Bolden did), his physicality is underrated by PSU fans, and his problems are almost wholly mental. He’s coached by Joe Paterno. My opinion is that McGloin can be made into a good quarterback by this staff.

As for the defense, the secondary was really quite good last year and returns everyone. I wouldn’t be surprised if a PSU defensive back actually gets drafted for the first time in years. The linebacking corps has the deepest, most talented pool of players we’ve seen since 2006 when we had Posluszny, Dan Connor, Sean Lee, and Tim Shaw. The defensive line is coached by, for my money, the best defensive line coach in America and Devon Still will probably be All-Big Ten this year. The only questionable pieces on the whole defense are the defensive ends. Now that’s probably the worst question to have at PSU because our defensive system relies heavily on the ends pressuring the quarterbacks consistently. But Jack Crawford’s problem isn’t that he sucks, it’s that he’s been injured a lot. Similarly, most of the other ends are all very talented, they just haven’t been in the system for a long time or have been hurt a lot. Is a breakout year possible from at least one of them? I think so.

The Big Ten isn’t going to be that great this year, and the more I look at it, I have a very hard time convincing myself Penn State won’t win the division.

"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk

by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

McGloin is a less talented Morelli

I can’t disagree with much of what you said and I like Penn State’s chances this year in a lot of games that most people will say are sure losses. But I can’t agree with your optimistic appraisal of McGloin’s potential. Yes, he played well in and won some games. But those were against weaker defenses that bit on play action or (in the Northwestern game) couldn’t match the speed of our receivers on his deep routes. Even in those Magic Matt games, he bounced the ball off the hands of Minnesota and Northwestern defenders on bad decision passes that could have killed drives. Then, of course, there’s Ohio State and Florida – two winnable games (especially Florida) that Morelli…sorry, McGloin…single handedly lost. When your QB is a question mark every time he goes onto the field, he can kill a team that otherwise has the talent and motivation to win.

I agree that it’s really likely McGloin will start, and that’s why I’d say literally any game on Penn State’s schedule is lose-able. Certainly the Iowa game wouldn’t surprise me in the least, even if Iowa’s team isn’t as good as the past few years and even if Penn State is much improved from last year. All McMorelli has to do is gun a couple picks into defenders’ chests and PSU loses.

by Charlie Yordy on Aug 11, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

See, this is what I'm talking about.

And, yes, I am of the opinion that is stupid to refer to him as “McMorelli” – come on, give me a break. That’s just cheap.

First of all, McGloin only singlehandedly lost the Florida game (And even that is a tiny stretch. This is an important distinction; I grow weary of people trying to pretend that it was McGloin’s fault the defense gave way and put him, an inexperienced and vulnerable quarterback, in a 17-14 hole. Moreover, this business of acting as though McGloin was entirely incompetent against Ohio State, Michigan State, and even Florida, is completely farcical. Several devastating interceptions do not remove the fact that McGloin showed the ability to move the offense very effectively and the ability to make critical, really pretty throws (e.g. TD to Brown vs. brutus).

We’ve already discounted McGloin’s potential to improve under some of the best coaches in America. And that’s completely asinine.

"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk

by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

First, as a citizen of the Internets

I believe childish and hyperbolic memes like “McMorelli” are never cheap, they should be nurtured and allowed to fester and balloon out of proportion until normal humans cannot understand what people on the internet are arguing about.

That said, I don’t “hate” McGloin as you suggest so many in the fanbase do (and maybe they really do – but I firmly believe that hating college athletes is demented). Yet, I think comparing him to Morelli is uniquely appropriate. Morelli moved the ball, scored and won games, yet his cardinal weakness was bad decision making that led to game killing turnovers. McGloin compressed a whole season worth of bad decisions into a few games last year.

Some people criticize him for a lack of arm strength or whatever…his arm seemed strong enough to me to make all the throws he needed to make when he was playing well. So when he threw picks, it was so clearly his decision making and not a lack of physical talent. The Florida game was the worst of it. You can be a big time booster for the kid, and that’s fine, but it’s even more egregious hyperbole to blame anyone other than the QB when he sets a school interception record in a game where the rest of the team kept it close enough to possibly win in the last few minutes.

But the real point you were making is that he can improve a lot from last year, and I’m not suggesting that’s impossible. It’s just that McGloin was in the program for two years before last year. And by the end of the season his decision making was probably about a C- at best. Watching Morelli lead Penn State’s offense sucked a lot of joy out of football for me, because no matter how the game was going, I was always expecting a sudden disaster. For the first time last season, I felt that way by the end of the Outback Bowl. I don’t want to watch that all next season.

by Charlie Yordy on Aug 11, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Morelli moved the ball, scored and won games, yet his cardinal weakness was bad decision making that led to game killing turnovers. McGloin compressed a whole season worth of bad decisions into a few games last year.

2006 Notre Dame: Not Morelli’s fault. Notre Dame kicked us and then rubbed sand in our eyes.
2006 Ohio State: Not Morelli’s fault. The score was 14-6 late in the 4th before the pick sixes. Penn State’s two field goal drives had come with the run game; there was no time for that anymore.
2006 Michigan: Not Morelli’s fault; the offensive line was getting blown up.
2006 Wisconsin: Not Morelli’s fault. I remember this as being like every other Penn State loss to Wisconsin. Wisconsin hands to generic Wisconsin tailback. Five yard gain. Rinse and repeat.
2007 Michigan: Eh. The first fumble was awful, but I’m more inclined to blame the coaches for rolling out Anthony freaking Morelli and thinking it would end well. Likewise, I’m more inclined to blame those awful Scott fumbles and Mike Hart carrying Michigan for this loss.
2007 Illinois: Sorta his fault, but the defense put him in bad spots, Quarless dropped a touchdown, and the fumble was just a clean play by Illinois.
2007 Ohio State: No, I’m not going to blame Morelli for the defense getting passed to death.
2007 Michigan State: Morelli and the offense had a three touchdown lead. The defense, 1/4 of which was in jail, lost it.

So, to summarize, Morelli wasn’t the main cause of most of Penn State’s losses.

The Florida game was the worst of it. You can be a big time booster for the kid, and that’s fine, but it’s even more egregious hyperbole to blame anyone other than the QB when he sets a school interception record in a game where the rest of the team kept it close enough to possibly win in the last few minutes.

I’m not blaming the defense for his interceptions. I’m blaming the defense for the losses to Ohio State and Michigan State because they were the worst culprits. As Astorino has admitted, they were embarrassed last year.

It’s just that McGloin was in the program for two years before last year.

And how much actual playing time did he get?

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Bolden is going to be a good quarterback someday. That’s all there is to that."

Nice analysis there, John Madden.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Aug 11, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yes.

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

He plays like a kid out there.

No, seriously, he played like a kid out there last year. Against Northwestern.

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

"George McClellan is going to be a good general someday. That's all there is to that." -- Reading Ramblerham Lincoln

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Aug 11, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

That guy was a really good President up until he beat Tommie Frazierson Davis with his cane and declared war on Nebraska

"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was this before or after Lincoln replaced him with Matthew McPope?

McPope did great against weak competition, but got hit by Longstreet with the warfare equivalent of a pick six: massive flank attack.

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Pearl Harbor is going to be a good attack someday. That's all there is to that." -- Reading Rambleral Yamamoto

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Aug 11, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pearl Harbor was a good attack

It was starting a war with the US that was stupid.

Now, had you said “Midway is going to be a good attack someday”, then you would have been onto something.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought about that right after I posted

But really, Pearl Harbor wasn’t that good of an attack, only because the carrier fleet wasn’t there.

This is for Hamsterdam.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Aug 11, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know, I know, Hamsterdam, but Jimmy Doolittle may be America's most unsung hero of that war.

That seems difficult to be true, but I think it is. Yamamoto’s plan was staunchly opposed and would not have been accepted if the Navy hadn’t been embarrassed by the Doolittle Raid. The Navy looked upon itself as the protector of the Empire’s homeland and, while it’s hard for us Americans to understand Imperial Japanese militaristic mindsets, the Navy took the raid as a shame upon itself. And they had had enough of those meddling USN aircraft carriers.

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still holding out hope of 9-3...

…with one loss against someone we shouldn’t lose to and one win against one of your three losses. That said, even two losses against Neb, PSU, and jNWU will suck once those people come around gloating.

by Xarin on Aug 11, 2011 8:20 AM CDT reply actions  

I think we can handle the two jNW lurkers that come around here

And the rest of their fanbase is Hillary (I kid, I kid), and she’s pretty cool too. Didn’t even gloat in person after last year’s game.

by PackerHawk on Aug 11, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

But the restraint she showed by keeping it inside was admirable. Better than the tweens heckling us from the upper deck as we filed out.

by PackerHawk on Aug 11, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

When you say "tweens"

are you referring to the age of the hecklers, the number of jNW fans in attendance, or both?

"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.

by ckmneon on Aug 11, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

age

I think there were at least a few thousand jNW fans. Once the student body got done studying/shopping on Michigan Ave and showed up at least.

by PackerHawk on Aug 11, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think there were at least a few thousand jNW fans

Now we know you’re lying.

"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe

by Brock8144 on Aug 11, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

They were told there'd be punch and pie.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 12, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

You mean wine and Caviar

Only the help consumes punch and pie.

"West Texas seems to be full of fake boobs providing a comfortable shade for well-developed pot bellies" - Lycurgus (06/24/2011)

by BStylin Hawkye on Aug 12, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

While waiting in line at the port-a-john, I had some jackass ask me if I enjoyed the game

I wanted to let him go ahead of me so that I could tip the stall over and cover him in piss & shit.

by The Mexican't on Aug 11, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The correct response

“About as much as you’ve enjoyed your last 12 bowl games”

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

What is the deal w/ jNW fans and portapotties?

I had one try to pick a fight with every Iowa fan in line around him. His only takers were some extremely drunk college age (I’m guessing) girls that sounded like idiots and I really wished would shut the hell up. I might even have told them to stop talking, maybe, I can’t remember.

by Carfino'sWay on Aug 11, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

This guy was middle-aged.

I think he meant it earnestly, it was just a crazy question. The only malice in the exchange was my internal hatred for all things Northwestern.

by The Mexican't on Aug 11, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

My guy was middle-aged too. Weird.

I was more mad at the girls than I was him. I gave him some good-natured ribbing about bowl games I think. The girls, on the other hand, set female football fans back on the respect-o-meter for everyone around.

by Carfino'sWay on Aug 11, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's too bad you headed home ASAP after that game.

I mean, I don’t blame you or anything, but we could have compared stories and commiserated over some Jeremiah Weed’s. Alas.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Aug 11, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I wanted to stay, but the wife has an aversion to Chicago.

And the “el” ride was much longer than we’d anticipated. Unfortunately, it looks like we can’t afford the Minnesota trip that I was planning either. Any games attended this year will have to be done in Iowa City.

by The Mexican't on Aug 11, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Que malo.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Aug 11, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I tried Jeremiah Weed

and I personally can’t stand that stuff.

by ISIS agent on Aug 11, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

About as much as I enjoyed your mom last night, Winthrop

Should have said that

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Aug 11, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

And I think she actually sorta kinda a little bit even felt sorta kinda bad for us, in a way. Sorta.


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by Bucketochicken on Aug 11, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I couldn't blame her.

Even though you could see the joy just begging to burst forth, she kept it classy.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 11, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

She did keep it classy

I thought she was very cordial and friendly, however on our “trek” to the restuarant/Metro Station, there werer several jNW fans that passed by that said “fuck iowa” or “hawkeyes suck”. Other than that the jNW fans were great.

BTW, if I have to walk that far again, I am going to get a taxi. I am fat and out of shape. When we finally got back to Kyle’s place, I crashed hard, didn’t even hear Kyle leave or come home. I was out!

All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!

TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel

by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 11, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is far from your issue, David.

I’m always reminded what a different lifestyle it is to live here when folks visit from out of town. The amount of walking I do in a given day is enough that it warps my sense of distance; on the way to the train station that morning I’d told you guys to go ahead without me while I waited for the Mexican’ts. Ross called me a few minutes later asking if I’d given the wrong directions because my concept of “a few blocks” is clearly not normal.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 12, 2011 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

OMG

I remember that. We are all asking, “we are going the right way, right?” Ross is like, “this is the way Kyle told me to go.” Poor Ross was leading a bunch of whiney babies as we were looking for the station. Actually no one was whinning, but we were asking if we were going the right direction.

It was funny and overall, it was a great time. I would totally do it again.

All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!

TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel

by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 12, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't whining.

Just to be clear. But I was already hungover/two sheets in the AM, so I was fine. Then the train ride made me a bit sick and I realized I had an empty stomach.

/This is why I don’t drink anymore

by PackerHawk on Aug 12, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know you weren't

i was whining on the inside.

All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!

TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel

by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 12, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I live in a large city and even I thought your "a few blocks" was a bit off.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Aug 12, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bah! You live in a large city

(or two medium-sized cities) designed to keep people in doors as much as possible. New Yorkers wouldn’t have minded. Then again, Los Angelinos would have fainted by the end of block one, so perhaps I’ve generalized a bit.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 12, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

See, if you'd just given me an approximate distance based on skyways...

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Aug 12, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

PSU & jNW fans

will only gloat for a week or so. Rambler will probably not fail to remind us for a long time, but I can take it from him considering the amount of shit we’ve thrown his way. and the Armani crowd are used to beating us.

Nebby fans will be insufferable win or lose.

While we’re still riding the Penn State streak, I’ll just leave this here

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Iowa is 5-1 in their last 6 trips to Happy Valley

Iowa has been outscored 119-116 in those games.

Excuse me, I have to go somewhere and swear violently at inanimate objects.

"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.

by ckmneon on Aug 11, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Iowa is 8-1 vs PSU since 2000

and has outscored them 200 – 257.

That should make you feel better.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd with an urgency

if we’re going to enjoy it while we can, that’s how you do it

by sailorjerry on Aug 11, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

200-157

typo fail

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

That doesn't bother me much at all

Several of those years, Iowa had a significantly superior team to PSU and were playing at home (03 and 10 especially, and that’s where 33 points of that difference comes from).

"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.

by ckmneon on Aug 11, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Strange, strange game

Not only because the score was 27-7 and really wasn’t that close, but because Penn State and 3 more turnovers than Iowa and still made it look that easy. Also, Anthony Morelli looked really, really good for much of that game against a KF secondary.

"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.

by ckmneon on Aug 11, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

even more strange

was that we were in that game in the 3rd quarter. IIRC PSU was driving to score their 3rd TD when Shada picked off Morelli. JC6 then put together a pretty easy drive for the TD and suddenly it was close, it looked like we were playing well and might be able to mount a come back. Then the whole team basically shit the bed.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Aug 11, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I only care about wrestling.

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whatever you say

General Grant.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Grant would totally wrestle.

Like most Western generals in the classic mold, he wanted to get in close with the enemy, dominate him in battle, and destroy his ability to fight. Classic wrestler. He’d probably be a Hawkeye, I hate to say.

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lincoln was quite a wrestler

if I recall

I differ all knowledge of this to your expertise – feel free to tell me I am wrong.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Aug 11, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Luke Fickell was a wrestler.

I found that out on the ESPN Big Ten Blog chat wrap-up from Monday.

by Carfino'sWay on Aug 11, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can't we just count all of the gloating Nebby has already done

as time served?

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 11, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you mean the NFC East or the B1G East?

Because Rex Grossman would be wrong about their chances of winning either.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Aug 11, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

But he’d certainly fire that pigskin a quarter mile.

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by mikjones24 on Aug 11, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he didn't drop it first.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Aug 11, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right over that mountain

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Aug 11, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Them mountains.

It’s an important distinction.

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which color jersey

is sitting 1/4 mile away is the question.

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by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Completely necessary'd

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 11, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

A you get a completely necessary rec.

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by BStylin Hawkye on Aug 11, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh Sex Cannon, I miss you in Blue and Orange

Not really

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Aug 11, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

And...

Iowa defeats Wiscy on a last second field goal made by the backup kicker in the B1G Championship after a successful onside kick recovery.

by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Aug 11, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I laugh at this

only because I give Wisconsin almost no chance to go to that game

"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.

by ckmneon on Aug 11, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

But Russell Wilson.

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

RUSSELL FUCKING WILSON

WISKY FOR NAT CHAMPS.

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by mikjones24 on Aug 11, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

The 07 O-Line

They JC6ed JC6 more than JC6 himself did. I think if you give this anyone a decent amount of time with a good pocket they can create. Look at Tolzien last year vs Tolzien last night.

by Argulor on Aug 12, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what this team is going to do this year. The offense has the potential to be better than it was last year (frequently disappointing) and the defense is still probably the best coached unit on the team. They should also see improvements on special teams. So, I just don’t know how things could turn out.

"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

It's great to be a Hawkeye.

When a 9 win season is a downer, life on the football field is pretty damn good. Worrying about WHO we might lose to rather than how we’re going to win 7 games is pretty nice. Our slightly less hated rivals to the north (Minny) and west (ISU) only dream of these types of things. For them, their annual ceiling is 5-7 wins.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Aug 11, 2011 8:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Now, I've got Iowa at 8-4, but I'm weirdly optimistic about the two NU games . . .

Sounds crazy, but I think Iowa is going to beat NW this year due to it being a night game, and just because we’re due. Persa is the real deal, but the ’Cats defense is still not good at all. I re-watched the Illinois game last year where despite a ridiculous pick 6, the fighing zookers DEMOLISHED NW by just pounding the shit out of the ball. This year, with this o-line and Coker, we grind those pussies into the dirt in the dark.

As for NU, I’m not uber confident, but they play Iowa at the end of a long, extremely grueling schedule in a brand new conference. Mental and physical exhaustian will have them ripe for an upset. And hey, if freaking Iowa State can hang with them, we certainly should.

So where the four losses? Glad you asked – I’m worried about Pitt (early season game with a lot of new faces for Iowa), Iowa State (they are due and I like where Rhoads has them headed and it’s in the Ames Wind Tunnel Stadium. Penn State will beat us this year it just has to happen at some point and I think we drop the game in W. Lafayette. Even when Iowa has good, experienced teams, they seem to struggle out there.

What’s funny is I like MY 8-4 much better than Adam’s 9-3, just because I really, really, really want to beat the two NUs and I kinda like Penn State and OMHR.

by Torbee on Aug 11, 2011 9:13 AM CDT reply actions  

While I have no doubt we're going to lose to them

I don’t understand where this idea is that jNW is a “legit” good team this year. Their offensive line returns a lot of experience, but this was the case going into last season as well. And their RBs won’t scare anyone. Plus, despite the legendary FITZTENSITY!, I won’t believe in Northwestern defensive ability until I actually see evidence of it (in games not involving Iowa, sigh). Basically, this team is the same team it was last year: Persa, and 1 sneaky good WR and a couple other decent WRs and a whole mess of question marks.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 11, 2011 9:13 AM CDT reply actions  

And, Persa shredded his achilles, and this isn’t a problem going into the season why? I get how all the news is positive, blah blah blah. But, good lord, he’s their running game. I’m going to hell for so many reasons that I don’t mind adding to the list, but I don’t think he’s going to look healthy after a few weeks of getting pounded.

by txhawkeye on Aug 11, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because achilles heal

I know a regular guy who hurt his at least as bad as Persa and six months later he was 100%. That’s without the intense physical therapy that Dan got.

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by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

you've hit the nail on the head with my cats Hoya

I miss the days when we had 1000 yard runners every year. Randy Walker must be rolling over in his grave at how our backs are doing. We need a Noah Herron powerback type. Fitz used almost all of our running backs last year trying to find “the guy”.
Ebert and our wide receivers are sneaky and dangerous. Dont forget Drake Dunsmore, our beast of a tight end. The defensive line had better be better this year. If we continue to suck on defense, who knows, maybe Fitz himself will suit up and play?
If Watkins and the rest of our backup qbs arent ready if Persa goes down, then we might not make a bowl.

by LincolnParkWildcat on Aug 11, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

completely agree that the 08-10 teams could storm through this schedule

we have all these holes on defense and all the questions from last year to take and line up against at least 5 or 6 spread and shred offenses (or at least some hybrid or variant thereof). being the first iowa team in years to lose by more than one possession is an even tougher pill to swallow, but entirely possible, as you say these streaks can’t last forever.

the last thing i’ll say is that this offense gives me some hope and it makes me nervous when all the talking heads pick the same finishes across both sides of the conference.

by sailorjerry on Aug 11, 2011 9:16 AM CDT reply actions  

need moar coffee-i should have said nervous as in suspicious, as in doubting the conventional wisdom

all i see is wisconsin wisconsin, nebraska, wisconsin, and jnw as the sleeper. we know how the hype worked out for us (and others) last year

by sailorjerry on Aug 11, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

And Dinardo’s tweets leaving Madison sounded almost exactly like his summary of Iowa summer ball. Especially the gem about the best D-line under Bielema with serious questions about depth of LB corps….

by PackerHawk on Aug 11, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking 8 or 9 wins

I wouldn’t be surprised by a win against any team on the schedule. I wouldn’t be surprised by a loss to anyone other than Tennessee Tech and ULM. So anything fro 2-10 to 12-0 is possible… I’m thinking the coaching staff, the team’s progression throughout the year, and the favorable schedule will put the final record slightly on the better end of that range.

by cbrett42 on Aug 11, 2011 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Iowa doesn't stand a chance against PSU now that Mike Zordich is growing a stache just like his old man.

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

This is the year the jNW trend reverses

While jNW always makes me nervous, we have at least 3 things going for us this year.
1) Norm is back on the sidelines in the press box to dial up some D.
2) Our D is more geared for jNW this year. Slightly undersized/faster.
3) Coker is ready to mash any majic potatoes that end up on the field.

BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!

by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Aug 11, 2011 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't talk about C*k*r that way.

It lurks everywhere, waiting for a taunting statement like that. I don’t even think the names of RBs should be spelled out around here. And don’t say their names out loud. If you don’t spell or say their names, you know who can’t get them.

Paranoia will destroya’. Or not.

by Hawkeyegirl on Aug 11, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Paranoia is safe

One of the mottos here at work…

I hear you about AIRBHG, but one of these years, he has to take a vacation, right??

BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!

by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Aug 11, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

How many years have we been saying that, now?

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 11, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gambler's fallacy

Arguing that Iowa will lose at Penn State this year because we can’t keep doing it is not a very good argument. What we did there last year or five years ago are relatively independent of what will happen this year. Obviously much of the coaching staffs are the same, but it just seems like a lazy argument.

by Enoch on Aug 11, 2011 9:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.

Except that all these guys will walk into that enormous place and say to each other, “I remember this place. This is where we always win.” It’s supposed to be an intimidating place, but it’s not any longer to Iowa.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Aug 11, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Especially when

He argues that Northwestern will beat us because they always do. (I’m not buying the argument that they will be “legit good” this year because in my mind the equal the 2009 NW team at best)

by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Aug 11, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Iowa is probably going to lose to Penn State this year because Penn State is probably going to be better than Iowa this year. More importantly, if there’s one thing, above all others, that Paterno has shown in the last six or seven years, it’s the ability to address the problems facing the program. We sucked in 2000-2004, so he wrote fifty letters in one week to Derrick Williams and kicked the staff in the pants until we were back recruiting good talent again. We pretty much sucked in 2006-2007, so we adjusted to the talent we had and used a wide-open offensive system to go 11-2 and win the Big Ten in 2008. The program was, for lack of better words, getting a little stale and lazy again over the last two seasons, so during this off-season Paterno has been pushing himself, his coaches, and his players like I haven’t seen before. All of this is why I think he can make the necessary changes to stop this ridiculous business losing to Iowa every single year for eternity – for at least one year, anyway.

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

If addressing problems facing the program is what you're going with, Iowa has been a big problem for PSU the last decade.

Not even KF would let the ISU problem stick around that long. Now, about that jNW problem…..

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by Swarley on Aug 11, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

FTFY

Iowa State wins a national championship

"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.

by ckmneon on Aug 11, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Iowa goes to a BCS bowl the same year Iowa State goes to the Rose Bowl.

I feel safe.

"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."

by SomeJerkPoster on Aug 11, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

An Iowa-ISU Rose Bowl?

It could happen.

(Theoretically, not in reality.)

by cbrett42 on Aug 11, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Beyond the improbability of ISU getting into the BCS,

you’d also have to think that a bowl would not sniff the potential TV ratings for this unless you put a loaded gun to its committee’s collective head.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Aug 11, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

It'll be tough for ISU to make a BCS bowl from the MAC.

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by Swarley on Aug 11, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

MAC?

I thought they were going to the MVC

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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 11, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was saying Mississippi Athletic Conference. ISU is being demoted to high school.

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by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

That makes perfect sense now

“I am so proud of you!” You help clear things up for me.

On the bright side, maybe Pollard won’t be so inconsolable.

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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 11, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you crazy??

Marshalltown Bobcats will own them.

Paul Rhodes doesn’t need that kind of competition.

BTW, Marshalltown was orginally selected as the home for Iowa State, but the city leaders had enough foresight to say no, we will just take care of the Civil War Vets at the Vets Home. Let Ames take the inconsolable Iowa State Cyclones.

I believe that the forsesight of those city leaders saved me a life of humiliation and self-loathing, as I probably would have been an ISU fan if the University was located in Marshalltown because M’town is my hometown.

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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 12, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

That would be totally awkward

especially when Ankeny beats them and the local newspapers say that Rhodes doesn’t prepare his team for Ankeny and that the game is more important to Ankeny than it is for ISU.

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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 12, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

If there's one guarantee for 2011

It’s that no one will make it through the conference cleanly.

by mikjones24 on Aug 11, 2011 9:48 AM CDT reply actions  

What about Sparty?

Might they be one of Iowa’s losses?


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by Bucketochicken on Aug 11, 2011 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I think

We’re more likely to lose to Michigan than Sparty. Sparty was EXTREMELY lucky last season, and as we know, those things tend to even out. Plus, they’re replacing three starters on an o-line that wasn’t all that good last year in the first place (and I haven’t heard that they have any special talent coming in along the line). If we can do a decend job of defending their run game, it should be a win.

Michigan, on the other hand, is a bit of a wild card. The talent is there, for the most part. If Hoke and his staff can get them straightened out on defense and Robinson can throw well enough under center, we could be in trouble.

by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Aug 11, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I had to rate which team Iowa would lose to this year

I would rate Sparty up near the top. They have 3rd year starter as their QB, they have a reciever coming back that had 50 recpetions and 9 TD’s last year, they have both of their running backs coming back that put over 1775 yds rushing. The D was not bad as they ranked in top 40 for scored against.

Overall, I believe Sparty to be a very tough game for us this year. I am just glad we play them at Kinnick.

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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 11, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've said it before, and I'll say it again

Sparty is a run-first, play-action pass team that lost 3/5ths of their starting offensive line. Until Dantonio proves that he can simply reload on the line, I consider that a pretty big fucking warning sign. Plus, on defense, MSU lost two multi-year starters and near-all-time (for the program) LBs who were the keys to the defense PLUS their only decent DB (sound familiar to any team we know of?) and have a lot of unproven talent on the Dline.

MSU isn’t bad, but this is easily a 3-4 loss team that got lucky with a favorable schedule last year that disappears this season. Unless they beat Wisky, in which case Wisky is MSU.

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by HoyaGoon on Aug 11, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand your point

but…then…

Ok I don’t have a counter arguement. Damn you lawyers with your freaking logic.

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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 11, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

The last I head about said 3rd yr QB

was that he lead his team to a 11-2 record and he beat Wisconsin. So he may be better than we give him credit for.

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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 12, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im not sure why there isn't much optimism..

Adam’s 9-3? with a loss to nebraska at the end means we would be 5-2 in conference going into that game, which is also common with most of your schedules. I think we will win 2/4 games between PSU, NW, MICH, & MICH ST. although i think that team and coaching staff HATE MSU strongly as of late.

so 5-2 in conference going into that game means the winner is going to the B1G championship. Did you take that into effect? anything could happen in that game with those stakes.

so I see us beating NW and Mich St, and losing to either PSU or Mich. barring injury we could have a good team by Nebraska, with a lot of wins under their belt, competing for a spot in the first B1G championship game.

by hawkdom7029 on Aug 11, 2011 9:53 AM CDT reply actions  

also,

like mikjones said, nebraska will have at least one conference loss.

by hawkdom7029 on Aug 11, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I am optimistic about Nebraska because it's game #12

If it was the conference opener, I’d have little to no hope. Then again, I give them about a 10% chance of winning their conference opener. Camp Randal, at night, 0-line will grind them down. Welcome to the Big Ten.

by PackerHawk on Aug 11, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right

so because Iowa will only lose two conference games before then (in most of the predictions here) then that game would decide the champion of the Legends Division. I think that changes the entire gameplan/mindset of each team.

by hawkdom7029 on Aug 11, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't the divisional record come into play first?

If Iowa loses to both Sparty and Michigan to come into the game at 5-2 in the conference, while Nebraska has lost only to Wisconsin, then I’d think that Nebraska wins the division at with a B1GW record of 4-1, while Iowa is 3-2.

Nevermind. I found the tiebreakers and I was wrong. I just left it there so others with the same thought process would see my mistake. B1G divisional tiebreakers are:

1. Conference record

2. Head-to-head record

3. Record within the division

4. BCS ranking

With matching 6-2 B1G records, Iowa could win the West with a win in Lincoln, despite finishing with a weaker divisional record.

by The Mexican't on Aug 11, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also, I think both teams could easily be 5-2 in conference play coming into that game

I think the PSU game is a toss up, and I’ll give PSU the edge since at least 70% of the stadium should be PSU fans. (Not sure about the attendance, was talking to a friend who’s a former PSU employee. Apparently [and Rambler will probably contradict this], there is a mini rebellion going on this season about season tickets, resulting in many people giving theirs up. Also there are concerns among some about the ability to prevent the Red Tide from plaguing the stadium [again, I’m pretty sure Rambler will quickly refute this].)

by PackerHawk on Aug 11, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

edit:

former PSU season ticket holder, current employee in media relations (non-athletic)

by PackerHawk on Aug 11, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

The mini rebellion is very, very mini.

And the people complaining are often a bunch of babies. Especially the guys who’ve had the same seats for 40 years, lose them, and then have turned their “stories” turned into pieces of infinite sadness by the local papers. Gah.

I have not heard one regarding concerns about being made to look foolish by Alabama fans.

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's not the Red Tide to which I was referring

That would be a Crimson Tide, who I forgot you played this year. I just didn’t want to go with the Sea of Red to refer to Nebraska, which is a fanbase more likely to take over your stadium. That’s what I get for trying to be creative.

by PackerHawk on Aug 11, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who do you think we are?

Notre Dame?

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that happens to Kinnick there will be a riot.

Or at least I would hope so. And if not, I will riot by myself.

Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.

by Give Eddie a Beer on Aug 11, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that happens at Kinnick

it will come at the tail end of a shit year. Which will make it double suck.

One of the good things about Nebby joining is that their road games will almost always be sellouts. Mo Money = Good.

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by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it will be that bad

But aside from WI and OSU, every big ten team could be worried about this happening. If only for the first few years while they visit the stadiums for the first time.

by PackerHawk on Aug 11, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

How the heck

is “head to head record” not a tie breaker within the division since everybody will play everybody else exactly one time and there are no more ties. Who felt the need to add 3 & 4?

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by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought the same thing

There is no possible way we get past tiebreaker #2, barring some sort of apocalyptic event that prevents a game from being played.

by Hank Thrasher on Aug 11, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

You guys are forgetting about 3-way ties.

What if Iowa, Nebraska, and Michigan are all 6-2 in conference, with NU beating Iowa, Iowa beating Michigan, and Michigan beating NU? Each team has a head-to-head record of 1-1, so move down to the next tiebreaker.

by cbrett42 on Aug 11, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

You got me

I guess I wasn’t thinking outside of a NU, Iowa tie at the top

by Hank Thrasher on Aug 11, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well....

…it’d depend on who that 2nd loss was to.

If Iowa, Neb, Mich, were all 6-2 and beat each other in your daisy chain, if Michigan’s 2nd loss was to OSU, Nebraska’s 2nd loss to Wisconsin, and Iowa’s 2nd loss to Northwestern….Michigan > Wisconsin > Iowa (Iowa would lose/be third because their 2nd loss was to a Legends team, while the other 2 lost to Leaders’ teams….Michigan beat Nebraska, so Michigan wins the division).

If all 3 lost to Leaders teams, though….well, it’d be some BS tiebreaker based on BCS rankings.

by Chadnudj on Aug 11, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you

why I didn’t think of that is anybody’s guess.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a little confused

as to why there is anything after “head-to-head record.” Teams can only play each other once per season in-conference, so if the conference record is the same, they will have played each other, considering they are in the same division.

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by Brock8144 on Aug 11, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shit

knew I should have read on down. D’oh

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by Brock8144 on Aug 11, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I blame the defensive line performance last year

on the coaching. Not the coaching of the players between games, the coaching during games and preparing for the games, also known as play calling. I am now of the mind that the defensive play-calling and scheming last year was mediocre. In the KF era, if he and his staff think we hold an experiential or talent advantage they turn things into pure vanilla and put the pressure on the kid to win the battle…over…and…over…and…over…and…over…again. There was a time when that worked, that time was when Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler were coaching. Oh, and Norm was coaching then too. He’s not totally exempt from criticism.

I would seriously doubt that the staff thinks we will hold a talent or experience advantage in too many games this year, so we might see some creativity and thus improvement in the scheming. If not, I’m going to predict 7-5 with loses to Penn State, Nebraska, Northwestern, Iowa State or Pitt, and Michigan State. I think KOK is also a key to the season. If he is allowed to do more—and he should be as VDB is hardly young and inexperienced with the ways of this staff—we could see a good year from KOK.

VDB represents improvement in two significant areas over Stanzi: he will throw the ball away and he is able to pull the trigger quicker. If you watch him in the Ohio State game, a game he was allowed to play most of the offense (unlike the other two games he played significant minutes that year) he was TWO quarterbacks. When we were tied or close he was deliberate and telegraphed and even awkward — like Northwestern and much of the Minnesota game. When we were playing with urgency he was quick and accurate. In other words, when his talent was unshackled it was impressive. He will throw into tight spots in a way Stanzi did not. Stanzi threw difficult balls as a default to a play degrading. VDB threw there as first choice. Some would say gunslingers do that. I think he’s of that mind. Managed well, he is Drew Tate with potentially far greater skills, poise and intelligence. Managed poorly he is Marc Bulger his senior year at WVU.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Aug 11, 2011 9:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Mandenberg will be the difference maker.

I agree with SMyAss that VDB is potentially far greater than Stanzi. I was very disappointed with Stanzi’s performance last year and I think VDB has far more potential. I wouldn’t be surprised if the offense was significantly improved over last year. The line has to be better. The running game may be a slight downgrade but overall I’d say little difference at the skill positions (assuming some WRs step up). However, VDB may make Stanzi look like a JV QB. He throws a much better ball and looks to have a quicker release. A QB that is a threat rather than a game manager will change everything. I’ll go ahead and predict a 7pt/game average increase over the entire season.
In my dreams I see Iowa going into the Nebraska game undefeated.

by Squawkeye on Aug 11, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Statistically, Stanzi had an outstanding year last year. Not sure there's that much to be disappointed in there.

He had the brain fart at the end of the Wisconsin game, but aside from that, he showed a significant increase in football smarts from his 2009 season. I don’t know how much the running game will suffer overall, especially if the O-line improves. VDB has the physical tools to be a good quarterback, but what we haven’t really seen consistently from him is the intangibles. That’s due to a small sample size of games played. We’ll know soon enough if he’s got it between the ears!

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Aug 11, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stanzi’s 3rd down acumen was frustrating. I don’t know how many times he checked down to Arob, who had no chance of converting. He was much safer with the ball, but he just didn’t make the plays the team needed him to make. Also, I don’t know if I can forgive gifting jNW the ball late in the game last year.

"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some of that has to be put on the coaching staff not calling the right plays, guys not getting open, etc.

Better to dump it off to ARob to pick up as much as he can and let Donahue punt than to arm punt himself.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Aug 11, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose. I guess we are talking about a team last year that had some weaknesses on defense and a three-year starter senior qb. The onus in that situation should be on the qb to go out and make plays to win games.

"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would have liked to see them put the game in his hands more often, too.

Rather than “we need 6, you’ve got 2 minutes and a timeout, GO”, let him throw the ball more throughout the game. When I say put the game in his hands more often, I mean throw the ball all game long, not when you’re down late and need a game saving drive. Use the passing game to, and I can’t believe I’m going to say this, put people away early like the Patriots have been known to do with Brady.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Aug 11, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

KOK, KF & Playcalling

is there a more frustrating topic? They need to stop playing to not lose so often and just keep the damn hammer down.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think so. Not in college sports for me anyway.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Aug 11, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can almost hear the conversation instructing the offense to turtle as soon as they go up by 7 or 10 points.

"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep. You can almost hear it and you can certainly see it.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Aug 11, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

“All right, good job, guys! Now, we’re in a good position here. It’s almost the 4th and we’ve given the defense a lead of 10 against the 11th ranked total offense in the country. Now, I want you guys to go back out there and not do your best. Ok? Ok. I’ll call some mediocre run plays on second and long to help you out.”

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

ding ding ding ding ding

we have a winner folks!

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by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t necessarily disagree

The Indiana game was weird in this way. Between the 20’s Iowa ran all day and then when they got to the red zone they seemed to rely a lot of Stanzi. He had a pretty off day and they couldn’t stick it in. I am not really that down on the guy, but I just think that he didn’t perform the way he needed to with the experience he had.

"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly. With the way we ran that day, we should have beaten them by 20.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Aug 11, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Same with jNW. How in the name of everything unholy can we not just walk into that game and run it down their throats. That game screams for non-creative solutions. Muscle up and destroy them. The best defense is to pound the ball and keep Persa off the field.

"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps that's the solution this year

"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe

by Brock8144 on Aug 11, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was the solution last year

but we went away from it.

After PSU was down 2-3 TD (can’t remember what the score was) against jNW they switched to Royster and pounded the ball. Their Ginger Dandy was then able to throw into single coverage selectively and PSU beat them easily.

This should have been the blueprint for the rest of the league but we threw on first through third down and punted on fourth way too often in the second half. I doubt our defense even had a chance to get a drink of water before they were back out on the field.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Aug 12, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here is my thought

it isn’t that KOK is too conservative. The problem is that when the playcalling should be more aggressive it is often conservative and when the playcalling should be more conservative, that my friends is when we pull out the naked bootleg in our own endzone. I go back to the Indiana game and ask, why does Iowa get cute on offense with crappy defensive teams?

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by Lycurgus on Aug 12, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

We just need to quit playing with our food.

Destroy it and be done with it.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Aug 12, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also, once we got inside the 10 or so

we started running the damn stretch play to the side when we did decide to run the ball. Never mind that Coker up the middle had been unstoppable. But that has been the case for a while now (see MSU ’09). For whatever reason, once we get in close to the goal line, KOK starts trying to move laterally instead of straight ahead.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 11, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is infuriating

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by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I’m not complaining about Stanzi. I guess my point would be there were very few games last year that I thought Stanzi just went out and won. Which I kind of thought he’d do instead he limited mistakes but at the same time limited his spectacular plays. I think Mandenberg has the ability to take over a game and essentially destroy the opposition. This is only a hunch since I have nothing to base this on but if we use the OSU game as a measure of potential and putting that game at say 60% his max (2 yrs ago and extreme pressure) we could be in for a real treat.

by Squawkeye on Aug 11, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know a lot of people remember the OSU game as testimony of VDBs potential

which is often cited as only positive potential, but he threw several horribly dumb balls that would have been intercepted by our own DBs and then he topped that by throwing several interceptions that their defense actually caught. He might be a guy who makes dumb throws a lot, ala Stanzi 2009. But we don’t have the 2009 defense this year to overcome those and thus he could be a goat if he hasn’t matured (which we have every reason to expect he has).

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by StoopsMyAss on Aug 11, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree, but I'm also hoping that not every defense he faces are as good as tOSU's was in 09.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 12, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're fucked

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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Aug 11, 2011 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

I dunno, guys.

I’m a Nebraska fan, and I sure as hell am not pegging the Iowa game on Black Friday as a guaranteed win for us. Torbee had a good point about our season: we get you guys at the end of a long and grueling schedule. And you can bet on Iowa showing up in Lincoln with a chip on their shoulder and their teeth bared.

by Nebula on Aug 11, 2011 10:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Someone write this down

We may have a reasonable Nebraska fan

by Duez I say on Aug 11, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Me, too.

Apparently they’re just not allowed on SBN.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 11, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

It'll be an interesting thing to watch

I know I’m writing this in multiple places on the thread… I apologize. Still, I don’t think Iowa wins, and it’s those weird intangibles like we’ve talked about. Both teams will have gone through a pretty grueling season. The upside is that we’re not on the road the day after Thanksgiving. This is a traditional day game for us, and as such, I’m pretty sure our coaches know the schedules and routines inside and out. Between that and it being a home game, I think we can take care of business. I predict an ugly first half as each team racks up a few personal fouls on mental mistakes and a flurry of craziness in the second. Iowa isn’t gonna be a pushover, but I think going somewhere new and different routines are just as impacting as the season itself (for the record, I’m also predicting a loss @Wis, and at least one more to either tOSU, PSU, or UM).

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by KennardHusker on Aug 11, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the game comes down

to the condition of T Martinez at the end of the season. If he’s having a 2009 redux and battered and bruised, you might be in deep, deep trouble. If he’s healthy, it could be ugly for us.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 11, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

2009 redux?

So he’ll be sitting on the sidelines with another redshirt?

by PackerHawk on Aug 11, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with your opinions.

I disagree with the one fact you put out there(2009/2010)

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Aug 11, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maths are hard!

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 11, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see what you're doing here, AJ

You’re being all whoa-as-me representing Iowa knowing that we are the most successful when we are supposed to SUCK. Good show.

Pile it on.

by Duez I say on Aug 11, 2011 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

No. I think it was a Joey Lawrence reference.

"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.

by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or maybe

AJ is trying to stop a horse named “as-me”

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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 11, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Without creating a torrent of Nebbie fans freaking out

I am just not that sold on Bo yet for two reasons.

1. They had every reason in the world to play well against Texas last year. Stick it to the Big 12, send Mac Brown packing his Longhorn network right up his butt, win the division and Texas wasn’t good. But they didn’t – they looked like shit on both sides of the ball and got beat by an inferior team. I can’t get the image of Mac Brown on the plane back to Austin wearing the most expensive boots he owns kicked up, smoking a fat Cuban cigar, drinking a glass of single malt laughing his ass off at Nebraska.

2. Bowl Game – they beat the piss out of Washington earlier in the year and got kind of thrashed in that game. I know one bowl game isn’t that much of an indicator, they were already disappointed in the season, etc… Iowa pulled it together and beat the 10th ranked team in the nation.

Bo seemed to fade late in the year and hasn’t really had a signature win. His biggest accomplishment was almost beating Texas in 2009 championship game. I think they are going to be beaten down and Iowa typically plays better with a younger team as the season progresses (last year notwithstanding). I think we can win that game.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Aug 11, 2011 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Agree/Disagree

See, I don’t think Texas or Washington should be on Bo’s shoulders alone. That was Bo’s first bowl loss actually, and if you watched the game, it was the offense’s lack of production rearing its ugly head. Locker got a few good plays in the first half, but was more or less shut down (those announcers pushing his draft stock made me sick).

As for Texas, our Defense played a decent game, and if our receivers wouldn’t have dropped 7 passes, three of which were literally wide open touchdown plays, we win in a blowout. So saying we looked like shit is a little bit of a misnomer.

However, I agree that we haven’t won “The big game” as of yet. The biggest win is not the almost beating Texas, it was the beating Oklahoma that season. No one gave us a chance and we did it. I think Iowa might beat Nebraska, but I would bet on Nebraska because it’s a home game on a Friday after Thanksgiving. We play these games each year and it is a little different schedule. Those are the little things that tilt the odds in your favor.

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by KennardHusker on Aug 11, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

When receivers drop passes that should have been caught

that is playing “like shit” or even “looking like shit”.

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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 11, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on, you got where I was going with that

Okay, yes, we looked like shit at times during that game if that makes you happy. But no, our entire team did not, in fact, look like shit for a good portion of that game. I was just saying that we weren’t destroyed like people like to ‘remember’ and we were also not unprepared (that sounds weird… you get the idea). We had some good defensive and offensive schemes which is what coaching is all about, so I was just defending Bo based on that. Then, our receivers crapped out and for a quarter, our defense forgot that Texas likes to run playaction. If you want to really dog Bo for anything, it’s the amount of penalties we have had since he’s been here, and the amount of turnovers. Those weren’t the reasons we lost either of the aforementioned games.

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by KennardHusker on Aug 11, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear what you are saying

I really do. I am the same way with the Hawks when they lose. I will say to myself, “If we would have done this or we would have done that, we win.” “If we didn’t let Arizona block a punt, if Rick wouldn’t have thrown that pick 6, and if we didn’t let them run a kick back for a TD, we would have won.” If we didn’t let Wisco suceed in that fake punt, we would have won." “If our D doesn’t let Pryor run for it AND make it on 4th and long, we win.” Iowa didn’t play like shit the whole game but there were times when they played like shit in those games. The point I am trying to make is that, we as fans, look at our teams, be it Nebraska or Iowa, and we make mental excuses for them. But when it is all boiled down, our teams played like shit during the time it mattered most.

Unfortunately, for the both of us, our teams last year had a lot of “shit” moments. The beauty of it is, we have a new year and a new opportunity to turn those shit moments into Great moments. God I am ready for some football!

I hope that Nebraska and Iowa both go undefeated in the season so when we met on the day after Thanksgiving, the game can live up to its theme and an Iowa victory.

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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 12, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

I agree with you 100% on all points except the Iowa victory, obviously. This is all new to me as a Husker fan. It could be great, it could be terrible, but it will be a hell of a lot of fun.

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by KennardHusker on Aug 12, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Intangibles certainly favor Nebraska

And I would think it clearly tilts your way had Iowa not played a post-Thanksgiving game last year. Ferentz has admitted that part of the reason Iowa looked so flat against Minny was because the team was given Thanksgiving off or the like. Similar to his pre-2003 Orange Bowl prep, it backfired, Ferentz learned and wont’ make the same mistake again.

Whether that’s enough to win is an entirely different question, however.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 11, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

didn't help in AZ last season

I shutter even writing that.

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by The Bacon Explosion on Aug 11, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine Kirk will

schedule another game west of the central time zone again – ever.

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by Kluginator on Aug 11, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed, though I'd love for him to schedule a game against Colorado

I live in Denver and I’d love to see a Hawkeye invasion of Boulder. Lots of Hawk fans in the Denver area+Iowa to Colorado being a driveable away game=mayhem in the streets of Boulder/Denver.

Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.

by Nickhawk08 on Aug 11, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

10-2 with losses to Penn St and Mich St.

I would not be surprised if Penn St beats us in Happy Valley. We have their number but they are due.

jNW will be a good team but a night game and badassed run game will smother P Fitz no matter how many baked potatoes he makes sweet love-time to. Plus we are due.

Either Mich St or Mich get by us, but whichever one it is will have 2 other conference losses.

Nebraska will be quite a challenge but it will be the end of the year and after a brutal schedule they might be relegated to subbing some of “the world’s greatest fans” onto the field. I think Wisc and Ohio St both beat Nebraska as well.

We win the division and beat Penn St in the rematch in the first B10 championship game.

Ferentz and the Hawkeyes then bukkake Oregon in the Rose. After that we all have ice cream.

by HawkeyeRecon on Aug 11, 2011 10:59 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

This.

I’m onboard with this. I want it to play out EXACTLY like this.

by CarrollHawk on Aug 11, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bukkake Cake! New from Ben & Jerrys!

New kind of STD? Yes. Bovine growth hormone? No.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Aug 11, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

STD = Seriously Tasty Dairy?

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by Lycurgus on Aug 11, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wisco Smothers Nebby

and Bielema goes for two at least once. Per the card of course.
OSU, dunno. they could win.

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by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hamsterdam after dark!

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Aug 11, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I want chocalte ice cream

You are taking orders right?

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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 11, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want Heyn's monster mash

Seriously, I will pay somebody to go to Heyn’s, buy a pint of that, pack it in dry ice, and ship it to me. They don’t offer the service. Somebody in IC help a brother out.

by PackerHawk on Aug 11, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ice cream and Jack Daniels!

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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Aug 11, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mike Daniels has big arms...

and because of that, we will go undeafeted. Why overanalyze it? (But seriously, I agree with Jacobi)

by DGnarly on Aug 11, 2011 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

You fool!

We only do well with short-armed DTs!

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 11, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't read all the comments

I will, but…

Iowa doesn’t have weaknesses and strengths, it has unknowns and possibilities. Every team is that way.

This sport is crapshoot. I really believe that. You can do.film work and weight work and all that good stuff, but this game comes down to odd bounces, good or poor health, and random officiating.

Football is a mix of poker and a slot machine; you can only control.much.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Aug 11, 2011 11:09 AM CDT reply actions  

control so much, I meant

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Aug 11, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is an interesting thought

Only because I would say Iowa has been built on the opposite of it for the KF era. The general gameplan has been to control as much as possible. We run the same defense 80+% of the game and tell the opponent to try and beat us with passes underneath/runs off tackle. We don’t generally play with a reactionary mindset. We dictate what is gonna happen. They might be good enough at those things to beat, and if so, hats of to them.

On offense, we look to control field position and the clock. KOK also has the same kind of mindset (run, PA rollout, random end around).

I know randomness is part of the game, but I think the UI mindset is that the game can be controlled.

"If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be research." - Albert Einstein

"Consider them rolled." - Jim Delany

by 6 seconds of hell on Aug 11, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh that line from Nicole Kidman

in “Days of Thunder” just popped in my mind. I can’t remember all of it but it has somethign to do with egomaniacs and control and that the egomaniacs don’t really have control.

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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 11, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't completely disagree

When teams are fairly evenly matched in skill level and execution I think you are right. However, a team executing properly is going to beat a team not executing properly 9 times out of 10 regardless of luck.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Aug 11, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

No argument

It’s just that I’ve come believe — another tortured analogy! — that at a certain point we’re just throwing dice.

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by Blackheartnopants on Aug 11, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

10-0*

Does not inlcude games against PSU, Nebraska, or jNW. Includes bowl game.

by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Aug 11, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Something to the Daniels statement

5.5 of his TFLs came against Eastern Ill and Ball State. Zero TFL in the final four games. Of course, there are other measures of efficacy for a DT, but mayhem jumps off the page.

Selective statting? That could be argued. He had four TFL against Arizona and MSU.

You get full-blast effort from Daniels. He has uncommon strength and good quickness, but he lacks size. I imagine there’s some give and take with his body type.

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by MarcMorehouse on Aug 11, 2011 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I imagine there’s some give and take with his body type.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Aug 11, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also I think people

forget that he didn’t play a ton of minutes in those games. I know he played some but not as much time as he did agains EIU and BSU. If he would have played more minutes, perhaps he would have gotten more TFL.

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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 11, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great point

He definitely didn’t have the minutes the big three had, but I wonder how far off he was.

"I always like it better when the clowns seem to try to be happy."

by MarcMorehouse on Aug 11, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with 9-3

But I think after a loss to PSU breaking that streak, we get coached up about breaking the jNW streak. I’m calling a big MIchSt ’10 win vs. jNW.

However, I feel we could lose against one of the Mich/MichSt games (most likely MichSt).

Other loss is Neb.

But what do I know?

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Aug 11, 2011 12:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Approved

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Aug 11, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I do know:

If we are playing Black Friday for the right to go to the B1G Championship, I’ll be happy…regardless of our record.

Unless we loss to ISU…b/c fuck them.

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Aug 11, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

lose or lost would work there

but loss sure doesn’t

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Aug 11, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Iowa vs Nebraska

is getting started early. LLWS is on right now on ESPN and Iowa has the bases loaded with 2 outs in the top of the 1st.

by ISIS agent on Aug 11, 2011 1:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Prediction time!

There will be 2 key games early in the season that will show us what kind of football team we have: Pitt and PSU. If we roll Pitt(or at least convincingly beat them) we have reasons to be optimistic this year. Next, if we just beat PSU we’ll know that our team is the real deal and with teh remaining schedule have a legit shot at the B1G champs. I’m not concerned with MSU because I think Cousins will have a hard time sleeping the night before the game(visions of laterals and Pick-6ers). Michigan scares me. Even though they are amidst a coaching/scheme/style change, we know they have the talent to put up massive amounts of points. That’ll be the biggest challenge this year for our D. jNW is obviously scary, but it’ll be interesting to see how they handle the hype(something they haven’t had in a long….err…ever).
Am I the only one who’s actually optimistic about the Nebraska game? We’re going to have a lot of film on how they play against the B1G defenses(especially tOSU and Wiscy games). Am I the only one who saw them flop around like a dead fish towards the end of last season? Their D is tough, but they O is sketchy at best. TMart won’t be a rookie, but he might be in a body bag before Iowa comes to town. It can’t be that tough to win @Memorial(see ISU/Texas last year)

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by DM_Purp on Aug 11, 2011 1:24 PM CDT reply actions  

I would find your simultaneous fear of jNW and lack of fear of MSU disturbing

if this weren’t an Iowa blog

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by ckmneon on Aug 11, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looking at relevant history

we have MSU at home which has spelled Iowa win for many years and only the most homified Hawkeye fan would not be respectful of jNW (jNW under Wizgeraldare like ISU under Dan McCarney)

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by Kluginator on Aug 11, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Iowa returns to its characteristic improvement curve

this could be a fun team to watch, or at least an entertaining and competitive team to watch. Last year’s team was so senior laden that we did not see much improvement from September to November, but this year we have some talent that just needs experience. Aside from PSU in October, the meat of our schedule hits in November which is when Iowa traditional is hitting its stride. I will not bet against the Hawkeyes this season (or any other season for that matter.)

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by Kluginator on Aug 11, 2011 1:40 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Much truth in this post.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Aug 11, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ooooh. A return to the days when underrated Iowa keeps covering those spreads.

Ferentz, a while back anyway, was a top ten coach ATS. Time to cash in those Chizik Nickels.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Aug 11, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I’ve always felt this coaching staff is great at building kids up both mentally and physically. It’s just what to do with them once they realized they’ve “arrived” that has been a mixed bag over the years. I am unrealistically optimistic about this year. I actually think 9-3 will be their record but with 2 weird losses; OOC to Pitt (yeah, I know, makes no sense), jNW & Nebraska.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 11, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been watching you guys all day and have not been able to comment

So here it is.

I got 99 donuts cuz a bitch ate one.
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by Pain in the Sash on Aug 11, 2011 5:27 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I cannot and will not accept this

I know what AJ said is all true but I got’s to believe. I’m going down swinging my sword at a Big Ten title. All the teams in the conference have flaws this year and Iowa’s are no worse than anyone else’s. I’ll concede that the Nebraska defense will be a buzzsaw but I am not sold on the fact that an offensive makeover will make their O better. Michigan State? Not worried. Teams that worry me? Michigan and Northwestern. Both will be good (if not great) on offense and better on defense that they were last year.

by Captain America (aka Steve Rogers) on Aug 12, 2011 4:32 PM CDT reply actions  

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