"ANF Day" And The Oprah-ization Of The Iowa Football Experience

Probably the most newsworthy thing to come out of Iowa's Media Day last Friday was the news that "ANF," or "America Needs Farmers," the campaign conceived by Hayden Fry in 1985 to draw attention to the difficult circumstances facing the American farmer at that time, is coming back in a big way this fall (and for the forseeable future). "ANF" initially appeared as stickets on the football helmets, first seen in 1985, and brought back on Iowa helmets in the past few years, first in a snazzy new re-design and, more recently, in their classic form.
Starting this fall, though, the "ANF" campaign is getting much bigger than a few stickers on Iowa football helmets. In addition to official "ANF" merchandise (some of which is already available), they're designating the northwest corner of Kinnick Stadium as "ANF Plaza," with plans to add a plaque commemorating Hayden's efforts and a Wall of Fame by 2012. They're also adding an annual "ANF Day" during football season to draw special attention to the campaign; the 2011 incarnation will be at the Iowa-Northwestern game on October 15. (Sources tell BHGP that jNW is planning their own special day commemorating an overlooked and underappreciated member of the American workforce, so get ready for "America Needs Daytraders Day" when Iowa heads to Evanston in 2012.)
My initial response was "this is great." Hayden's legacy at Iowa is full of tremendous ideas and innovations that have defined the program for thirty years (and counting) and the "ANF" notion was one of his less-renowned -- but still really good -- ideas and seeing it get a little more play is nice. And farming is very near and dear to my family, so I'm naturally appreciative of any effort to give it more recognition. On that level I'm very happy to see the "ANF" campaign getting expanded and pushed more widely; it's a good cause and a natural fit for Iowa.
But. (And there's always a but, right?)
I'm also a little wary. Iowa plays Iowa State on September 10th in what used to part of the Hy-Vee Cy-Hawk Series and what will still be the Battle for the Object Replacing The Cy-Hawk Trophy. Their game with Pitt the following week has been designated as this year's "Be Bold, Wear Gold" game. In addition to now being the first annual "ANF Day," the October 15th Northwestern game was already this year's "Black and Gold Spirit Game." The Indiana home game a week later is Homecoming. The Minnesota game the week after that is The Battle for Floyd of Rosedale. The Michigan State game on November 12th is UI Family Weekend, Fan Appreciation Day, Senior Day, and this year's "Blackout" game. And the Nebraska game on Black Friday is, of course, the first-annual "Heroes Game."
Whew.
That's, uh, a lot of "special" games -- over half the schedule, in fact. If everything is special, then is anything truly special?

"And you get a special game, and you get a special game, and you get a special game..."
Obviously, not all "special games" were conceived of or operate as equals. Some, like Homecoming and Floyd of Rosedale, have been around far longer than most (any?) of us reading this blog have been alive (unless we have readers over the age of 77, in which case: hell yeah and rock out, but do so safely; BHGP cannot be held liable for any broken hips that may result from too-forceful rocking out) and evolved organically (or at least quasi-organically). Some, like the color-specific games, were ideas pilfered from other teams and schools and adopted as new Iowa traditions. And some, like "The Hy-Vee Cy-Hawk Series" and "The Heroes Game" were seemingly the product of corporate groupthink and awkwardly grafted onto pre-existing history between teams. And, individually, none of them are bad (although my misgivings about the "Heroes Game" remain), but collectively? When is too much of a good thing just too much? When does a game stop being a game and become a platform for something else?
Part of this is a frustration with the Iowa athletic department's insistence that more is always better; if something worked once, we could (and should) keep doing it over and over. The initial "gold rush" game against Ohio State in 2006 was utterly spectacular -- it was, until shortly after kick-off, one of the most electric atmospheres I've ever experienced in Kinnick and produced some dazzling photos. Subsequent "gold rush" games have been fine, but nowhere near as electrifying as that game. Part of that is the choice of opponent, of course -- a Labor Day weekend game with UNI isn't going to match the fervor of a primetime game with the #1-ranked Buckeyes -- but part of it is also just the idea becoming rote. Similarly, last year's "Black and Gold Spirit Game" was, to the surprise of many (me included), also fantastic, both in atmosphere and color-coordination, leading to some equally dazzling photos. Does anyone think the sequel against jNW this year will be as good?
Ideas like this tend to be fun the first time, but then diminishing returns kick in. Keep them around and they threaten to turn into stale gimmicks and before long you have things like the Panchero's burrito lift. (Okay, that's a lie: the burrito lift was never fun.) Eventually you're left with a confined, homogenized Iowa football game experience. We aren't there yet, but we seem to edge nearer every year.
Again, this is not to diminish "ANF Day," which is a fine idea and a worthy cause. But maybe we can slow down on trying to tack an extra layer of "meaning" (or merchandise) on so many games and let the football games be just that: football games. That is still why we show up at Kinnick or tune in on TV every week, right?
(H/T to @Sanctioning_Agt for some image-locating assistance. Thanks!)
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It's only a short time until you go the full Penn State route:
Hire a “gameday atmosphere coordinator” and create a Tie-Dye Day for a game against a Big East cupcake.

Noooooo!
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 10, 2011 12:08 PM CDT reply actions
Do you have any idea how expensive that thing was!
That’s a lot of beer money. You gotta get your money’s worth.
At least it isn’t bright green like the guys at the Michigan night game in 09. Why green?
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 10, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
He's there so you can easily photoshop yourself into the zombie nation, or whatever they're called when they aren't a white out.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 10, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sick of it
I long for the days when I can watch a game solely for the sake of enjoyment of the game itself
by GreatBarrierReiff on Aug 10, 2011 12:28 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
And write a sentence properly
by GreatBarrierReiff on Aug 10, 2011 12:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What a horrible thing to happen on Dozen Egg Night!
Darkness warshed over the Dude - darker'n a black steer's tookus on a moonless prairie night. There was no bottom.
by AcrimoniousAngerererer on Aug 10, 2011 12:32 PM CDT reply actions
I can't wait for dozen egg night.
I heard every 13th person gets a baker’s dozen.
All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!
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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 10, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure, Ross. Even Oprah's aboard the bus, rockin' her gold top for the ANF Black and Gold Spirit Game versus Northwestern sponsored by Farm Bureau.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Aug 10, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope she checks what section her seats are in.
It would be pretty guache to show up in a gold top if she’s in a black section.
(Wow, that sounded way less racist when I started writing it.)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Sections are predicated on where Oprah sits...
If she’s wearing gold, the whole section better be damn sure they are as well. etc. etc.
You mean like the two dipshits in the pic you linked?
"West Texas seems to be full of fake boobs providing a comfortable shade for well-developed pot bellies" - Lycurgus (06/24/2011)
by BStylin Hawkye on Aug 10, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't even spell "gauche" right.
Bah.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I spelled it so wrong the other day that Google couldn't even figure out what I was looking for
and I spent a 30 hour or so reading updates about Johnny Gosch. (No, I didn’t spell it with a O I don’t know how I got to Johnny Gosch.)
I hope that makes you feel better.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 10, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
30 hours reading Johnny Gosch updates?
He must be one hell of a guy.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Are you familiar with Johnny Gosch?
He (or rather the asshole who took him) is the reason I couldn’t do ANYTHING as a kid.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 10, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep. End of the innocence.
And then Eugene Martin was taken, too. Next thing you know, every kid in every school in my hometown was fingerprinted so our parents had records. And we learned about stranger danger and how as crossing guards we had to look out for more than just traffic.
It was really, really upsetting to me when I was a kid.
Any time a kid is taken I think of him. I didn’t know that his mom was sent pictures of him tied up a while after he was taken and that it is a huge conspiracy about who did it.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 10, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
My God, really?
Never heard that. When did that come out?
My mom always included him in our bedtime prayers. Johnny Gosch & Melissa Ackerman, every night.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Aug 10, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it did at the time.
I saw it on one of the websites I read that night and I just sat there crying. It was really upsetting. It talked about the WDM police coverup too. I guess Nancy Grace did a story about Johnny’s mom and pretty much called her crazy and was incredibly disrespectful to her. Made me hate NG even more.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 10, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought about comparing her to Bleacher Report.
But comparing Nancy Grace to Bleacher Report is an insult to Bleacher Report.
What a dreadful woman.
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 11, 2011 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I meant 30 minutes.
Typing was really difficult today.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 10, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously, I've never heard of Johnny Gorsch.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Johnny Gosch (sounds like gosh) was a DSM Register paperboy
who was abducted in 1982. He was never found.
You were probably to young.
It happened in ’82 so I was 6.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 11, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I was age 0 then.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Exactly, thanks for making me feel old.
You’re the best!
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 11, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
It isn’t him that makes you feel old. It is that rocking chair and that shawl.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Shut yer face.
I haven’t worn a shawl (that is such a weird word) since I was, like, five and my mom made me do it. I remember fighting with her about it b/c I thought shawls were stupid. And rocking chairs are soothing.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 11, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
The condom in my wallet
was older than you in 1982 – sadly I say.
I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
You're welcome.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Dang you younguns
/getofffmylawn’d
"West Texas seems to be full of fake boobs providing a comfortable shade for well-developed pot bellies" - Lycurgus (06/24/2011)
by BStylin Hawkye on Aug 11, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
You feel old?
I was 10 then and I remember that incident very well and then of course Eugene Martin. I was very scary as a kid.
I remember getting my finger prints taken and having to be home at a certain time to “check-in” and then I could go out. My parents gave me a password that I was to ask for if anyone other than my parents came to pick me up or give me a ride home. I am really surprised that my parents didn’t make me quit my paper routes.
What was really messed up is that the DSM nor the M’Town Times Republican stopped the door to door collection of subscription fees for the papers. I still had to go out and collect and in the winter time i was doing that in the dark.
All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!
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I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 11, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
oops
I wasn’t scary as a kid, that should have been “It was scary as a kid.”
that is too funny.
All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 11, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
This was the sort of thing that
my parents did not point out to me when I was young. In fact, there was a situation with my older cousin (she was about 10 years older than me, and I am now 30). She was told to get into a car with some stranger about 10 or 15 blocks from where we lived (we lived on the same block as her family).
As far as I know, nothing bad happened to her, and I’m not sure if the cops trusted her or if they thought she was making it up.
While this story is scary, it pales in comparison to what the Gosch family had to go through. I feel fortunate to grow up where I did (5 or 10 blocks from my school, and in pretty quiet neighborhoods without a ton of traffic).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 11, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
When I was nine, my dad was happy to leave me at a downtown Rock Island YMCA for 3-4 hours “making friends”.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
He knew you could
use your blog-wrestling skills to fend off anyone who would accost you.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 11, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they should probably rotate the Gold Rush, Black Out and Stripes
so that it’s every couple years at most. I agree that it’s going to get old if you do everything all the time
Great idea
Rotating like this will make it keep being special when it happens. Having only one Gold Rush in 4 years of undergrad will be a lot more special than having 4 of them. That Ohio St gold rush game was the best crowd I have ever seen, until we started to get our asses beat. Only beating Wisconsin and rushing the field tops the pregame atmosphere in the OSU game in my 4 years of undergrad.
"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney
by ClaybornSmash on Aug 10, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Or...
Simply pull out those color games when it feels likr it will add to the gameday atmosphere like the examples above (#1 ranked OSU 2006; spirit game against psu last year). It doesn’t have to be an every year thing.
I think the “special games” only add to the enviroment under certain circumstances, like being an extreme underdog, or simply playing a highly ranked opponent (those are kind of the same thing) but it shouldn’t be done when you’re playing jNW…I don’t like seeing something that cool being wasted on them.
(However I hope we kill them and eat their family)
by bornofclay on Aug 10, 2011 4:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
scheduling these games at the beginning of the year just shoehorns them in. Wait and see if the matchup actually justifies some sort of special game
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 10, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem with that approach
is logistics. If, let’s say, Iowa is playing a top 5 team in week 7 and there has been no previous indication that is an official “spirit” day of whatever nature, then you run the real risk of having a half-hearted effort when half the fanbase isn’t aware of whatever “color” day it has been designated until top late. Less if these days are undoubtedly a good thing, but it is almost impossible to plan for one on the fly if it hasn’t been previously designated
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Aug 10, 2011 7:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It's not without precidence, though.
I believe the ‘08 Penn State game was the 2nd black-out game of that year(not sure what game was the first one). It was also the game where they encouraged the student section to wear green in support for Shonn Greene. I’m not sure when exactly they announced it for that game, but I’m almost certain it was at most two weeks prior to the game. Also, news travels fast these days, and through various mediums. T.v., internet, radio, newspaper, I’m sure all carried the ‘08 black-out advertisement in some form or fashion. And let’s not forget about word of mouth. With a smaller schooler with less of a following, this would be a problem, but not with Iowa.
by bornofclay on Aug 10, 2011 10:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The Greene-out was a student-created thing that the university latched on to at the last moment, as I recall.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
YOU GET A GAME, AND YOU GET A GAME, AND YOU GET A GAME
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Aug 10, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions
i just pictured herky's head melt-sploding
Like the SNL Oprah skit
Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.
by BoiseHawk on Aug 10, 2011 1:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Haven't mastered GIFs yet, but wanted to do that
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Aug 10, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a great idea for 1985
but most farmers in Iowa today are doing great and are quite wealthy. Yes, American needs farmers but it just isn’t the same meaning today as it was in 1985.
by ChryslerKinnick on Aug 10, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions
I'm sure my parents would disagree with the "quite wealthy" part of your comment.
I’m not saying we are even remotely close to losing our farm, we are not, but the family farm, that some of us grew up, on is quickly becoming a thing of the past. ANF means this type of farming to me. As the youngest of four girls with no sisters married to farmers I fear what is going to happen to our farm when my parents retire. We have had some of our land for 150+ years and I would like it to stay that way.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 10, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup.
The only rich family farmers I know are the ones that grew housing developments in their fields.
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Aug 10, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
It is a hell of a cash crop
Kind of like tobacco used to be
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Aug 10, 2011 7:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
"the youngest of four girls with no sisters"
Huh?
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Aug 10, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Huge difference in how farmers are doing now and the 80s
In the 80s farmers genuinely were struggling across the board. Today corn is at 688.50 (so almost $7/bushel) things are pretty different. I’m not saying farmers are rich but many are doing very well. Also, an acre of high quality Iowa land is now around $7500/acre, so yeah, that’s some capital.
Which would be great, except inputs cost 3 times what they did when corn was 3$ a bushel,
and a lot of those farmers are paying off land they bought off at $6500 a bushel. It’s not like you can monetize your land if you’re an active farmer.
A lot of farmers are doing great, especially big grain farmers with a big chunk of paid off land at the center of their operation. A lot of other farmers are struggling. Including and especially the next generation of farmers.
by The Final Gun on Aug 10, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, this.
I still have quite a few relatives in the farming game. I don’t know anyone who’s going under like they were in the ’80s when Hayden came up with the idea, and I know a few that are pretty wealthy, but most of are just doing okay.
And, regardless, I do think ANF is a worthy message and cause for Iowa to support, even if the economic need isn’t quite as pressing as it was in the ‘80s. Farming is still the backbone of the state, so I’m happy to see the UI acknowledge and promote that in some capacity.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Also, it pisses off ISU fans
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Aug 10, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, that doesn't hurt, either.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
And really,
isn’t that the most important thing?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Aug 10, 2011 7:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I certainly agree that some are struggling.
I only mean to say that this atmosphere is clearly different than that of the 80s. I do find the economics of the new generation of farmers very troubling, as I don’t think $7 corn is sustainable. Now if prices fall back to around $2.50-4 you’ll see a lot of those farmers truly struggling to make the mortgage payments.
This is fuzzy math.
You’re comparing the prices only. That’s like saying Chrysler is doing better today because cars cost $30k, not $15k.
Combines are an insane cost and their maintenance costs continue to rise exponentially; owning one is like having a DeLorean but without the coke. Farms are highly dependent on cheap labor and the gov’t continues to raise minimum wage. For farmers that provide benefits, those costs have risen exponentially since the ‘80s as well. Also, most mortgage their land and pay hefty interest rates and rotationally take credit against their property in bad years – so while corn may be high this year, they’re still paying off a mortgage that kept them afloat when some bug raped their crops in ’02.
Farming blows for farmers. That’s why America needs those fuckers.
Ma'am, you're dealing here with a fully qualified male strumpet. I service the entire Quad Cities area: Moline, Rock Island, Davenport and Bettendorf. Why don't you give it a whirl? What have you got to lose? - Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute
I'm confused by what you're trying to say
My point was that current land prices are in my view driven by the cash flow expected from corn that can be sold for $7/bushel. So a farmer buying $6500 land might be able to cover the cost if corn prices stay high, but if they fall back to traditional ranges, then their cash flow will (likely) not be enough to cover all of the costs (combine, seed, fertilizer, etc) as well as a mortgage that’s likely in excess of several million dollars. I love farmers. I’m an Iowan. I’m just saying that times at current are pretty decent for farmers, especially the larger ones in Iowa (which certainly isn’t all of them).
Sorry -
I guess between your last comment and this one, it appeared you were saying that farmers are in a great position because of the current price of corn and land. My point is to say the financials are much more intricate than all that.
I understand that if commodity prices tank, then farmers are worse off. Corn should be relatively stable though, considering its many uses equate it to a diversified product (i.e., inelastic to most influence, except crop destruction).
Ma'am, you're dealing here with a fully qualified male strumpet. I service the entire Quad Cities area: Moline, Rock Island, Davenport and Bettendorf. Why don't you give it a whirl? What have you got to lose? - Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute
Yeah! Shave your math!
"Oh, glorious cheeseburger, we bow to thee. The secrets of the Universe are between the buns."
by Bucketochicken on Aug 10, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know...
Sometimes I tell my math to shave that shit. I’m like “bitch, shave that shit” and it’s all “okay baby, do you want a sandwich” and I’m like “yeah, get me a sandwich.”
Ma'am, you're dealing here with a fully qualified male strumpet. I service the entire Quad Cities area: Moline, Rock Island, Davenport and Bettendorf. Why don't you give it a whirl? What have you got to lose? - Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute
Not only that but the people paying $6500 an acre are not farmers a lot of times they are hunters.
Most farmers in my parents area are not getting that much, my dad just sold some land to buy out his brothers and I know he didn’t get that. BTW, it is not the family farmer that is getting the $7 a bushel. That is not trickling down to the farmer, this I can tell you.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 10, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
my in-laws farm
this last year was great to them. They did sell a fair amount right around the $7 mark.. as for wealth.. its hard to say how wealthy someone really is when they have a couple million in the bank and a couple million in debt.
He sired a baseball team... An orchestra, if you count the bastards!
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Aug 10, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
You are right, I was mistaken.
I called my dad and he said last time he sold corn he got $7.37 but now it is around $6.98. He also said he got $3200ish for the land he sold last year but could probably get around $5000 if he sold it now. You just never know.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 10, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
He might have sold before the top of the market
But historically that’s still a great price to get for Iowa farm land. I hope he’s doing well this year.
We are fine.
He is 67 and cash rents most of our land except for enough to plant corn to feed our cattle. He only sold that land, first he had ever sold, so that he could keep what he and his brothers inherited in one set of hands so that it didn’t go down another generation and get even further split up.
It was a good thing. What he sold was the last he bought and it is now the first field someone can refer to as ours when talking about it since most land is referred to by the name of it’s previous owner.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 10, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Glad to hear he's taking it easy at 67
Hopefully the market will stay strong enough that you can hold onto the land for a long time.
My mother is SOOOOO done w/ farming.
She won’t let him keep any heifers. He spends most of his time on the old reclaimed coal mine, that we use for pasture, cutting trees and making “trails” for the 4 wheeler and Gator. He loves it, she hates it.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 10, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
It's definitely different from farm to farm.
The oldest farmer I know owns somewhere around 2000 acres around Nevada that he doesn’t actually farm anymore, he just leases. He’s doing amazing. His land has been paid off for decades, and every year corn prices are high, he can charge a higher lease to one of the other local farmers. Now my friend who owns 300 acres, has a mortgage and rents a lot of other land, well, the margins get pretty thin for him once you take out labor, seed, fertilizer, pesticide, mortgage and equipment costs.
This is almost exactly the story of
my uncle (on my mom’s side) and a cousin (on my father’s side).
My uncle only owns roughly that many acres, and he sometimes struggles. They had 2 kids, and I doubt either will continue to farm. Although, he did just build a new ranch-style house on the old family farm, so he isn’t starving (but he also works a full-time job in addition to his farming).
My cousin (actually, he’s the husband of my dad’s cousin), farms many more acres (I don’t know how much he owns and how much he rents), and never seems to want. They had 8 kids (all grown now, 2 of the boys are now basically running the farm). Of course, they haven’t owned a brand-new car in forever, and they are careful about how they shop. And, while they live close to Waterloo, they usually buy brands of equipment that are not as pricey as Deere.
It’s kind of weird, because to make decent money, you have to get bigger. But, if you don’t have cash to get bigger, and you incur debt to do so, you can really be screwed if you get a bad drought, storm, flood, or infestation.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 10, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Uncle owns about 300 acres, the cousin farms over a thousand.
I wasn’t very clear about that in my above comment.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 10, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Jesus Chazz, HAMSTERDAM!
Just kidding.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 10, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I Co-own Our Old Family Farm In SE Minnesota
We rent the cropland to a former family farmer; by “former family farmer” I mean that he expanded his operation, and is now an Evil Corporate Farmer.
Anyhow, he got just shy of $7/bushel for his corn last year, so yes, that price does fitler down to the person producing it.
by Midnight Rambler on Aug 10, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know where your family farms,
but that is NOT the case here in west central Iowa. For the most part, farmers have done incredible the last couple years. Yes, all of their input costs and equipment costs have gone through the roof, but the price of grain has gone up at an even higher rate. On top of that, with new seed genetics, farmers are growing more bushels per acre than ever before. Land is very, very high here, and it is farmers buying it for the most part.
I agree with Chrysler’s original opinion: Things are a lot different now than in the ’80’s. Farmers were paying 10%-15% interest on land and were borrowed to the hilt. That isn’t happening now. Other than first time loans for first time farmers, no bank is letting someone buy a piece of ground without AT LEAST 30% and sometimes 40% down. Most of the ground getting bought around here are by farmers, and a lot of them are paying cash. They have a lot of it, and there’s no way in hell they will give any to Uncle Sam. That is also why John Deere and other Ag companies have done so good as well.
The bottom line still is: America Needs Farmers. We always will. There are even some that say at some point in the not so distant future, farmers COULD BE the wealthiest people in America. More demand for grains and less land and people to raise it.
/steps off soap box.
I corrected what I said about the $7 corn above, I had to call my dad, but I think it depends on the size of the farm
if you can buy land at those prices. In our area, SE IA, a lot of land is being bought by hunters and that is driving up the price, this is what my father told me last time I was home.
Sure farmers “could be the wealthiest people in America” but that isn’t liquid wealth. Once you sell your land it is gone. That is the same thing we ran into when I was applying for college loans. I couldn’t get any of the “good” money b/c my parents owned more than a million dollars in land. That didn’t help me at all.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 10, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I totally understand what you're saying, on both points.
I have some friends that are looking at buying some ground in SE IA for hunting. I’m guessing the ground isn’t near as fertile as around here.
On your second point, I DO mean liquid. If crop prices stay, or even go up, (both are likely scenarios) then they will be incredibly rich, and not just land wise. There were farmers around here, 5000 acres or so, CLEARED over a million dollars last year. That’s a lotta jack.
Yes, but look at the size of the farm you are referring to.
My parents have less than 2000 acres and things have changed a lot for them in the last 20 years. We used to have hogs, my mom refers to that as the greatest time b/c they always had money, and the processing plant would call them and ask them when they could bring a load to in the mid-90s telling them their loads weren’t big enough and they didn’t really care if they brought anything in. It was then that they made the decision to get out of hogs.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 10, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Very good point about Uncle Sam
I know some farmers who could make an IRS Auditor pull their hair out. Still, good for them.
Farm wealth generally is illiquid and not realized unless someone decides to sell off the family farm. Still, half a million dollar combine payments really do cut down on tax liability.
Half a million for combines is a LITTLE high,
but your point is valid nonetheless. The saying, “When farmers make money, everyone makes money.” is there because it’s true. They make a lot but spend a lot because they don’t want to pay in so much on taxes. They younger farmers aren’t nearly as bad as the previous generation, but are still looking for new ways of dodging Uncle Sam.
Top-notch land in Johnson County was going for $6,000/acre last year.
Where I grew up in SE MN, and still own land, the best cropland goes for c. $4,000/acre. We are farther north, and have sandier soil and hillier ground than Johnson County.
by Midnight Rambler on Aug 10, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, land prices vary greatly.
I live in Carroll County, but work in Crawford County. Ground in Carroll is going around $8000/acre. Ground around Crawford County is around $5000/acre. Different soil types. Different lay of the land.
Also, different in terms of what they are near.
IC and Coralville will probably keep expanding in Johnson County.
Is Carroll close enough to the Des Moines suburbs to justify a great market, or is Carroll just growing that much?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 10, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Land within five miles of I-380 and I-80 is a whole different market
I was referring to farm land, sold to be used as crop ground well outside IC/Coralville when I named the $6,000/acre price.
I don’t know how much the as-yet undeveloped land on either side of 965 between C-Ville and N Liberty is worth, for instance…but I guarantee you the asking price is more than six grand an acre.
by Midnight Rambler on Aug 10, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
But doesn’t increased values for land near major roadways or towns, also probably drive up the value of other farmland not far away?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 10, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Like MR said,
I was referring to farmers buying the farmland to farm. For good reason, I think Carroll is TOO far away from DM for people to worry about using our farm ground for developments. These guys are spending $8000/acre to farm it, not to develop it. Is it crazy? Absolutely, but the easy answer is every year there is less farm ground to grow crops on so it becomes that much more valuable. When housing or industrial developments come along and offer 15-20 thousand per acre, the ground that is still actually producing crops is worth so much more.
And here's where I'll stray really close to politics, but not be too partisand:
we need to figure out a way to preserve a valuable, limited resource (fertile farmland) from being forever ruined by covering it with concrete eyesores. I can’t figure out how to do that in a way that wouldn’t be almost totalitarian, but Midwestern sprawl worries the crap out of me. Someday our descendants are gonna read about the incredible topsoil we ruined with shoddily built McMansions and strip malls and really hate us. They’ll think the same thing about the valuable topsoil we’ve washed down the Mississippi to save a few pennies/acre on input and maintenance.
by The Final Gun on Aug 10, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. We should all just live on shacks on stilts to preserve the land.
/sorry, but obviously I (at least slightly) disagree with you.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 11, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Some land is going for 8-10K and acre in the Mt. Pleasant area.
"The year was marked by ominous signs: fires blazed in the sky, there was a violent earthquake; and a cow talked - there was a rumour that a cow had talked the previous year, but nobody believed it: this year they did. Nor was this all: it rained lumps of meat." -Livy describing the year that Iowa State won their football national championship.
The Family Farm Of The Sort I Grew Up On = The Model T, Eight-track Stereo, etc
Technology and economics have made the small family farmer (160 acres, milking thirty head of dairy, finishing out a couple hundred head of hogs, maybe keeping twenty or so head of beef around) a thing of the past.
Pine for the family farm if you must, but it is not coming back.
by Midnight Rambler on Aug 10, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Never say never. Without veering too close to politics, I think it's a little rash to assume that the current trajectory and model for farming is either sustainable or permanent.
In 150 years, our ancestors may all be working their own land again. That’s assuming Joe Paterno hasn’t turned us all to zombies.
by The Final Gun on Aug 10, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
If our ancestors are alive in 150 years, I'd say technology has made some great strides. ( ;
Hopefully our descendants are around in 150 years, as well.
Seriously though, you’re right—nothing lasts forever.
But I don’t see the world economic system totally imploding to the point we all go Amish, much less hunter-gatherer.
/checks Dow Jones, sees market lost another 500 points today
by Midnight Rambler on Aug 10, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm no economist, I'm probably wrong about a lot of my speculation. It's obviously only speculation.
But until very recently in human history, 98% of people worked in the production of material goods, primarily food. Overnight, in developed countries, that number is more like 2%. My money would be with 98% being a lot closer to what the world can fully and finally sustain than 2%.
by The Final Gun on Aug 10, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Subsidizing three or four crops at the expense of everything else - people, the soil, crops, the animals - is never going to be sustainable.
So, yeah.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 10, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
"Joe Paterno hasn’t turned us all to zombies."
That seems like a gamble. Better have Delaney roll your dice.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 10, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
A Farm Bubble Pop on the level of the 2008 Housing Bubble Pop Is Coming
Commodity prices cannot keep rising forever (as a farm kid we LOVED us some inflation), and whatever cannot go on forever won’t go on forever. (Hat tip to Herb Stein.)
Many of the farmers who expanded in the last twenty years, and are still expanding today, are going to get their cajones stuck in the credit trap when it slams shut.
Borrowing huge sums of money to buy more land and machinery is great, so long as corn stays at $7/bushel…but it won’t stay there forever. When commodity prices crash, you still need to pay for the land you bought at $5,000/acre, even if there is no way in hell that land can grow enough corn or beans to meet those loan payments.
I am old enough to remember the farm crash of the early ‘80s, which was in itself the hangover from the glory days of the inflationary ’70s. Farmers then were borrowing money as if the boom years of high prices would last forever—they didn’t.
Sooner or later, it will happen again.
by Midnight Rambler on Aug 10, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree that the prices probably won't stay where they're at,
and they don’t need to. But read my post above. Sure, there will be some farmers that will eventually feel the vise, but it won’t be anything like it was in the ’80’s. Even if they’re ground becomes worth less than what they paid for it, they will be leveraged enough to come out of it. Banks aren’t letting farmers borrow out of their mind for ground now like they did back then.
As a landowner of about 300 acres that I rent out
I couldn’t disagree with you more.
Corn, because of ethanol, is now tied to the price of oil. If oil goes up, so does corn. Look at the oil prices over the past 3 years and compare it to the change in corn prices. It’s almost identical.
Do I think it’ll go WAY up? No – but $7-$8 corn is absolutely sustainable.
Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.
This assumes ethanol subsidies last forever...and they won't.
Without government support, the ethanol industry is not economically viable.
by Midnight Rambler on Aug 10, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Good, because ethanol is a load of horseshit
by NorseHawk on Aug 10, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
Ethanol subsidies actually generate more income for me as a cropland owner…and I still want to see them die.
And that’s as far in to politics as I care to go.
by Midnight Rambler on Aug 10, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a reason it passed the Senate easily.
Even in today’s atmosphere, both parties agreed with you – as I do.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 10, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Er, there's a reason the Senate easily *repealed* the subsidies recently.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 10, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
NorseHawk, the current ethanol situation is unsustainable,
but “ethanol is a load of horseshit” is overly simplistic thinking, in my opinion. No energy technology could ever or would ever take off without a lot of subsidies to get it going. The fact that it’s currently inefficient (defined as more fossil-fuel energy to produce than alternative energy is created) doesn’t mean we should write it off necessarily. According to some calculations, solar panels only recently passed that threshold. According to some calculations, wind isn’t there yet. Calculating “fossil-fuel inputs” is tricky, anyway, and the numbers you get are highly dependent on the political interests of the person doing the calculations.
Likely corn-sourced ethanol won’t be the final form that ethanol takes, but I think that plant-based liquid fuel solves too many problems related to portability and sustainability to pass up as a future part of the world’s energy portfolio. Suggesting not investing in it as many do because “DURR! BIG FARMERS!” is not really helpful. Corn, which a ton of our country’s infrastructure and skill is unfortunately tied up in may be a good bridge to ethanol’s future, as we build the infrastructure for switch-grass ethanol, etc.
The point being — things aren’t that simple. That’s why we should vote for smart politicians who listen to experts.
by The Final Gun on Aug 10, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
There's basically no way to respond to this without getting politcal
I will say that it’s be obvious for a very very long time that corn-derived ethanol was a dead end.
Want to Make More Than a Banker? Become a Farmer! (says Time Magazine)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2080767,00.html
Like Rachel from Ross, I took a short break from BHGP. This marks my return. Please, please. Stop. Really! Stop the clapping and cheering. It’s really not necessary.
You blashpeme!
Your penance is to look through the ISU media day photos on the DSM Register web site. You need to learn to ’preciate what you have, son.
In Tama/Benton Counties..
There has been land selling 10k an acre. Now thats big cash money.
"And after it was all over, he took us in the house and served us pancakes... pancakes." - Charlie Murphy
by Podolak Pimpin' on Aug 10, 2011 3:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Didn't mean to get in a political debate here.
On a different note, I really liked the nostalgia of the ANF. It seems only well rounded Iowa football fans knew what it was all about.
by ChryslerKinnick on Aug 10, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m putting this here because this part of the ANF thread went fairly crazy. The 80s were a shit storm of farming problems. Among the worst was the titling/inheritance issue that made it extraordinarily difficult for landowners to pass their land to sons/daughters, due to valuation + debt, taking into account estate taxes that could run, and I think I have this right, around 70% of date of death valuation (if I’m wrong about the percentage, someone please correct me). The math was, to put it mildly, completely fucked up. The only way to pay the tax was to sell land etc, etc. I’m proud that my dad did a ton of education through the state bar association to move assets into trusts, avoiding probate inheritance, and, now that estate law has more reasonable exemptions (currently $5MM per) the transfer mechanism is working better for land owning families. This is not to be confused with a political discussion about estate law.
Fuck the death tax.
There, I said it.
/not picking any political party here. And yes, I realize that there probably should be some tax on estates, but I feel it should be 15% or less.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 10, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Tend to agree with this
Although with the way farmers are operating now we’re headed for another dust bowl so maybe it will be relevant again soon!
What exactly do you mean,
“with the way farmers are operating now…”? I’m confused by this.
Lots of stuff
Right now with corn prices so high lots of them are forgoing crop rotation, as well as tiling up any available grassland or bulldozing tree lines that act as wind break, because they’re desperate to get in as many rows as they possibly can. This is all a really bad and shortsighted idea.
I suppose there are some that are doing this,
but ASCS offices aren’t letting farmers just do anything they please with their ground either. There are regulations as to what they can and can’t do. Terraces, tillage, etc. There ARE rules in place. Whether they’re being skirted or not, who knows.
It's absolutely a good idea.
Although “America Needs Farming” might be a better slogan. Some farmers may be wealthy, but we have a definite problem with American agriculture today. I’m not going to go into the details again because it’s too political, but due to a lot of stupidity, greed, and corruption, the soil itself is often sick, we have to pour more and more tons of chemicals to grow anything, and most of our cows never see grass in their lives.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 10, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Rambler, I am completely on board with you here, and these kinds of conversations, when they're had on BHGP, don't seem to
degrade into the unthinking partisan spewfests popular on other boards (with some sad exceptions). I would like to see us have these conversations and make sure they are had respectfully, etc.
I have my salary paid largely by people whose income depends on terrible farming practices. It breaks my heart. I should probably be saying things, but I don’t. I think more education, not less, on this is needed, which is why I wish these conversations were okay on here.
But it’s awfully hard to tell a farmer “act against your own economic interest with your land or something bad will happen in 200 years.” We certainly don’t expect any other business to be altruistically foresighted. That’s why I think that we should be subsidizing landowners of all side but only to ameliorate the economic sacrifices that they make to ensure the continued productive capacity of their land.
I’ve had a couple beers, so sorry if I’m rambly or unclear.
by The Final Gun on Aug 10, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
You could always try to counterbalance things by designating a later game the "Maybe America Doesn't Need Farmers" game.
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Aug 10, 2011 12:48 PM CDT reply actions
I CAN'T WAIT FOR AMERICA NEEDS DAYTRADERS DAY!
Imagine the stadium filled with, er speckled with, er five people watching football in their finest purple Armani suits.
They should designate the Tennessee Tech game as "America Needs Jacobi Day"
Bloggin' at JoePasDoghouse.com
ANF Pregame fly-over

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
by Kluginator on Aug 10, 2011 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 16 recs
Aren't they flying a little low?
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Didn't stop the pilots at the Ohio State game.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That was the reference I was trying to make.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
They're spraying a potato-cide chemical.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Aug 10, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least they're finally taking the treat seriously.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Well played, sir. Well played.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Aug 10, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Photo revised

I swear the "robbed a place" was actually not ment as a smart ass remark. I just forgot that he actually robbed a place for a second. ~ justsomehawkeyefan
by Kluginator on Aug 10, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Too bad Cary Grant is punching Wizgerald.
"West Texas seems to be full of fake boobs providing a comfortable shade for well-developed pot bellies" - Lycurgus (06/24/2011)
by BStylin Hawkye on Aug 10, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Easy rec, mostly for the British girl
Although I’d imagine she’s running from a mob of angry youth currently
I wish Cary Grant would turn around and sock Fitzgerald in the jaw.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I hate to say it,
but that photo is loaded with all kinds of good lookin’. And I’m talking to you, Fitzwizard.
Be careful with that kind of talk, sister.
They don’t take kindly to it ‘round these parts. Last night’s IMDB countdown to kickoff photoshop was from the Psycho shower scene and I said I would take a shower w/ Fitz. Let’s just say it did not go over well.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 10, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm currently reading about Aztec human sacrifice.
It’s only slightly more disgusting than this.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 10, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Tight...
I’ve tried to organize pickup Tlatchli games, but they never happen.
Thicker than Delta Burke swimmin in a Guiness.
The only thing that saved you from the fact that you said "tight"
was the Tlachtli pickup game. Anything less and I would have been all “Dude. You typed the word ‘tight.’ What the fuck?”
Also: My pickup team goes by the name Huey Ōllamaloni (which I believe is Aztec for Big Tlachtli Balls)
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 10, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Listen Friendly Pennsylvania Man
I attended the last TWO Iowa vs. jNW games. I paid cash money to fly to Iowa (technically it was Moline) only to see Stanzi go down in a naked bootleg horror show. Birthday ruined. I paid cash money to fly to Chicago and sit in the rain in that wasteland of a stadium while the Hawks tanked and once again the Fitzwizard triumphed. Birthday ruined…again. Like Costanza before me, I’ve decided the only way to break the cycle is to do the opposite of what comes naturally. And so it has come to pass: I love the Fitzwizard.
Oh, I see!
My half-baked semi-Iowa fandom is, whether I admit or not, really a result of Iowa beating Penn State constantly. But everyone here respects Penn State. I even convinced Kluginator to respect Penn State football. Likewise, everyone on BSD respects Iowa. Frank O’Brien respects Iowa, he just won’t admit it because he’s painfully obstinate in that way.
But Northwestern is evil. You don’t know what you’re doing.
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 10, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't be jealous, Rambler.
I love Coach Paterno, too, but for real reasons like his pure awesomeness, wit and charm. I know exactly what I’m doing with the Wiz. If I like him, his evil powers are rendered useless. It’s the old “kill ’em with kindness” routine. It WILL work. Oh yes, it will work.
jNW is indeed evil. Really evil. Like so evil, that you would say it was E-VEEL, like it’s the FRU-ETS of the DEV-EEL. E-VEEL.
That is what I said too.
We have to try something different b/c what we are doing now is not working.
by Carfino'sWay on Aug 10, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
BTW
It is National S’mores Day.
I expect everyone to celebrate accordingly.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Aug 10, 2011 1:25 PM CDT reply actions
All about $$$
Selling T-shirts, memorabilia, etc., is all part of how they feed the beast. As college sports grow ever more expensive (state-of-the-art facilities, uniforms, travel costs, coach salaries, not to mention the skyrocketing cost of a college education) athletic departments are forced to find more and more ways to raise revenue. College football has been big business for a loooong time, and that’s not going to change soon, especially once they start essentially paying players a stipend. Being a college football player might as well be classified as work-study.
I’m sure they’re coming up with ways to squeeze even more eggs out of the golden goose, like jacking up the price of season tickets when Iowa’s got 5 conference home games.
America, you're looking good: handsome, free and tall.
by Close Shave America on Aug 10, 2011 1:57 PM CDT reply actions
I don't like being too cynical/critical,
but I was thinking the same thing. On the surface, this is pretty cool and a worthy cause. But at the same time, I don’t think the UI would put so much effort ($$$) into promoting something that isn’t going to make more money for itself, and as a nice bonus, raise some awareness and $$$ for a good cause. They just have to make sure it doesn’t stink too much like a money grab. As long as they don’t go overboard with ANF in Kinnick, and stop after that. A new plaza here, a few plaques there, and it becomes TCF corporate sponsor land.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Aug 10, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Even without the ANF this is true.
Those theme games have their own theme shirts, and all the other merch. Sure it isn’t a huge sum (as far as I know) but there is money in every decision like this that UI makes.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 10, 2011 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
...said the commenter who used a commercial for his/her username.
-1
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 10, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Here, let me fix that for you:
ANB
America Needs Bacon Beer
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Beer Needs Bacon
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Aug 10, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
bacon does just fine by itself
thank you very much
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Aug 10, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
The Northwestern ANF day:
Armani
Nordlund (yacht manufacturer)
Ferrari
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
Continuing the Iowa Hawkeye Media Blitz
I still hate that the court at CHA is called Mediacom Court. We’ve got two worthy candidates for naming rights in Dr. Tom Davis and Chris Street.
Cheering for inconsistent, undisciplined teams [Twins, Wild, Packers, Hawkeyes] since 1989. "False Hope is better than No Hope"
by Yabbs on Aug 10, 2011 3:34 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Unfortunately, I don't see Dr. Tom becoming a donor
And I’m not sure what kind of endowment or charitable trust Street set up to pay the millions for Barta’s bathroom remodel CHA renovation
Those "old" ANF stickers look stupid
But then again, JC6 makes everything look worse.
by bornofclay on Aug 10, 2011 4:03 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I learned more about farming in this thread
than I did growing up and living in Iowa for 25 years (Quad Cities area). You guys are awesome.
BHGP Hampsterdam:
educatin folks for decad, err, yea,err, mont, err…well, for a few days now.
Might as well call that "Thanksgiving" at the Torbee household . . .
Only there are likely fewer seething resentments and fistfights inside Kinnick.
I Love Love Love the ANF Stickers
… and especially loved the “Snazzy” ones.
But I do have one problem with them. My problem is, Iowa does not have an Agriculture Department. Also, Iowa State has one of (if not the best) Ag. Department in the country, so the stickers basically say to me, “America Needs Farmers, go to Iowa State.” Which is not the message Iowa should be sending.
Or maybe they’re saying, “go to Iowa State, they need the help more than we do.” Which is it?
To me it says support the farmers.
Not, “Hey you, become a farmer.”
by The Mexican't on Aug 11, 2011 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My grandfather attended U of I (not sure if he got his degree),
and ran his family’s farm for 40 or 50 years after that. The relatives that go with me to all the Iowa home football games are farmers, but niether of them attended U of I.
I’m sure there are plenty of farmers who root for U of I, and plenty of people who own or operate farms that attended or graduated from U of I.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Aug 11, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions

























