Assume the Position 2011: Cornerback
Assume the Position is our offseason guide to the Iowa Hawkeyes football depth chart. The math is difficult, so take it from us: As time moves on, we'll know more. That's why we rank the positions from most certain to least certain.
Previously:
1. Quarterback
2. Tight End
3. Running Back
4. Wide Receiver
5. Linebacker
6. Offensive Line
Today: Cornerback
Unlike the six positions before it on this year's list, cornerback actually returns two starters. In fact, if you're willing to ignore spring practice, you can make the case for cornerback topping the 2011 ATP list.
The depth chart, both here and at safety, comes down to that axiom of all Iowa football axioms: Get the best eleven players on the field in as good a position as possible. That leaves us with a defensive backfield with two returning starting cornerbacks. It's almost certain both won't be on the edges this year, though.
The Next Man In
Shaun Prater (#28, Senior, 5'11", 180, Central HS (Omaha, NE))
Charles Godfrey: Two years as starting cornerback. One year as unquestionable top dog. Third round draft pick.
Bradley Fletcher: Two years as starting cornerback. One year as unquestionable top dog. Third round draft pick.
Amari Spievey: Two years as starting cornerback. One year as unquestionable top dog. Third round draft pick.
Shaun Prater: Two years as starting cornerback. One year as unquestionable top dog. And he's back. So what happens now?
There is remarkably little to say about Prater. Since taking a starting spot at the beginning of 2009 (after a two-game suspension for an offseason DUI), he's been as consistent a player as Iowa has fielded. He followed his solid sophomore campaign (41 tackles, 2 interceptions, 8 breakups) with marked improvement as a junior (68 tackles, 4 interceptions, 6 breakups, 1 TFL, 1 fumble recovery). In particular, Prater became a far better run defender in 2010. He also found an uncanny knack for making big plays at opportune times. He recovered a fourth-quarter fumble against Arizona that ignited Iowa's fourth-quarter rally. He returned a late interception for a touchdown to finish off Penn State. He picked off another pass in the second quarter of Iowa's blowout victory over Michigan State, turning what little momentum MSU had built over a 13-play drive. His fourth quarter pickoff of Terrelle Pryor led to a go-ahead touchdown.
After playing footsie with a jump to the pros, Prater returns for one more season. And while the return is wise -- his numbers and measurables are good but not spectacular, he has been in college just three years, and he projected in day three of the draft at best -- there isn't a whole lot more for Prater to do at this level. He could raise his interception totals, but teams will again throw to the opposite side of the field, especially if there's a first-time starter. Any improvement in tackles is only evidence of completed passes or massive gaps in the run defense and underneath zone coverage. He'll have plenty of opportunity to lead the defensive secondary and prepare for the pros. It's his contract year.
Mr. August
Greg Castillo (#2, Junior (RS), 5'11", 180, St. Joseph's Prep of Philadelphia (Mt. Laurel, NJ))
In four years of writing ATP, there have been few players quite as confounding as Greg Castillo.
On its face, the Greg Castillo story shouldn't really work. As a high school senior, Castillo was lightly recruited by everyone. His offer sheet definitely included Delaware and Villanova, and might have included offers from Ohio, Bowling Green, and BYU, depending on who you asked. The universal two-star "athlete" was a 'Nova commit until the hours before Signing Day, when a late shift in the recruiting winds left an extra offer open at Iowa. Castillo snapped it up, and was one of the final recruits in the Hawkeyes' class of 2008. He was certainly a project, and a difficult one at that; it is presumably much easier for the S&C staff to take a talented linebacker and add muscle and mass over the course of a redshirt season than it is to take a corner and make him a better corner.
Castillo was a classic "intangibles" recruit: He's the son of the then-Philadelphia Eagles offensive line coach (and now-Philadelphia Eagles defensive coordinator) Juan Castillo, and it's safe to say he wouldn't have been on Iowa's radar if it hadn't been for Ferentz's NFL connections. Initially, all signs pointed to the long shot paying off. Castillo redshirted through the 2008 season, then inexplicably won the starting cornerback job opposite Amari Spievey for the 2009 season opener against UNI. He was victimized by Northern Iowa that day, though, and was eventually removed (and missed the next few weeks) due to injury. He never really saw the field again until the next August, when Castillo again won the starting spot for the season opener. He performed much better against Eastern Illinois but nevertheless was passed again, this time by Micah Hyde. Castillo functioned as the de facto nickleback in a defense that didn't really play nickle coverage.
Hyde has now moved to safety, again leaving an open spot at cornerback, and again Castillo enters August as the presumed starter (last week's Media Day depth chart listed Castillo as the starting right cornerback). And yet, again, Castillo has the competition nipping at his heels. He'll most likely start the opener, but if the last two years are any indication, that might be as far as it gets.
The Garage Sale Find
B.J. Lowery (#19, Sophomore, 5'11", 180, Hughes HS (Cincinnati, OH))
We already discussed the long line of Iowa defensive backs to make the NFL in the Shaun Prater section. Here is part two of that analysis: Their recruiting profiles.
Charles Godfrey: 2* Rivals, 2* Scout, offers from Mizzou and Pitt
Bradley Fletcher: 2* Rivals, 2* Scout, quite literally no other offers
Amari Spievey: 2* Rivals, 2* Scout, offer from Rutgers. Ignored by homestate school (UConn) because he didn't attend their summer camps
Shaun Prater: 3* Rivals, 3* Scout, due in no small part to a Nebraska offer. Also held offers from ISU and Ohio.
Iowa has killed with lightly-recruited cornerbacks in the last decade. Contrast that with the highly-sought after recruits Iowa has landed in the last ten years.
Cedric Everson: 4* Rivals, 4* Scout, offers from PSU, MSU, UCLA, Miami, Minnesota, etc. We all know what happened.
Jordan Bernstine: 4* Rivals, 4* Scout, offers from Nebraska, Pitt, UCLA, and Texas A&M. See below.
...and, well, that's about it. Iowa doesn't pursue top-notch cornerbacks (or, more precisely, when they do, they don't land them). Instead, they keep hitting the jackpot with overlooked two-stars who blossom into defensive backs coveted by the NFL. It's for good reason; Iowa places such emphasis on zone coverage and tackling that corners fit well into pro defensive systems (it's also the reason that Spievey and Godfrey were drafted as corners and now play safety). Which brings us to B.J. Lowery, Iowa's next under-the-radar cornerback turned superstar. Lowery was completely overlooked, receiving his third star from Rivals and Scout only after committing to the Hawkeyes and holding one other offer from Akron. None of that really mattered, as Lowery shirked a redshirt and picked up some special teams/specialized coverage time as a true freshman to rave reviews from the coaching staff. Norm Parker spent the spring traveling the I-Club circuit talking up his newest defensive back find. Frankly, we were surprised he wasn't listed as the presumed starter last week, and we'd be shocked if he wasn't there by October.
While You Wait for the Others
Jordan Bernstine (#4, Senior (RS), 5'11", 205, Lincoln HS (Des Moines))
This didn't work out. Jordan Bernstine was the biggest in-state get for Kirk Ferentz since Blake Larsen when he committed to Iowa over his myriad other offers. He played as a true freshman in an era where that didn't happen too often. Adam Robinson was brought in to give Bernstine a high school friend on the team (ironically, as it turned out Robinson would be a far greater contributor). He was supposed to be in the mix in 2008, only to lose out to Fletcher and Spievey. In 2009, he broke his ankle, opening the door for Shaun Prater (then a true sophomore). In 2010, he ostensibly had a chance at a corner spot but was behind Castillo and Micah Hyde from the start. Now it's 2011, and Bernstine has had five years in the program, and he opens spring behind the one immovable object on the defensive depth chart. Nope. This didn't work out.
Willie Lowe (#10, Senior, 5'10", 175, Glenville HS (Cleveland, OH))
Wherefore art thou, Willie Lowe? WIllie always caught the bad break. He was always shuffling between safety, where he was buried behind Sash and Greenwood, and corner, where he was buried behind underclassmen. Ever the good soldier, Lowe never said a word and kept pushing forward. He got dinged up during the last half of 2010 and didn't see the field in the last four games of the season, including the bowl win. He then fell victim to the rhabdo and, after a couple of weeks of spring ball where he reportedly couldn't participate in a meaningful way due to the after-effects, decided to leave the team. That doesn't mean he's going anywhere else, mind you; Lowe is reportedly registered for classes at Iowa and could return to the team if he wishes. It's not looking likely this year, though.
Nico Law (Number unknown, Freshman, 6'3", 190, Bishop McNamara HS (Forestville, MD))
Nico Law, how you do? Because while Nico Law (3* Rivals, 4* Scout) was ostensibly recruited as a safety, the sheer dearth of options at cornerback may force him into the lineup earlier than expected. On its face, fellow freshman Jordan Lomax looks more cornerback-ish, but the staff has already telegraphed that Law most likely won't be redshirting with no such indication about Lomax. Let's just hope his internet radio show survives, as well.
Jordan Price (#26, Freshman (RS), 5'9", 175, Eden Prairie (MN) HS)
He's a walk-on from Minnesota who will almost certainly not play this season, but if you really think we're going to get out of ATP without mention of a walk-on from Minnesota with blonde dreadlocks, you don't know us too well. Given that he's from Eden Prairie, I feel like he deserves a Craig Finn lyric in his honor, something like "There was this kid named Jordan Price/and he seemed really nice/he had dreads/and he dreaded/Holly and her friends on those druggy nights"
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Well done on the write-up. I read an article about Prater really being underrated as a pure athlete somewhere this summer. Very interesting to know that he is one of the quickest and most explosive guys on the team. Also, I remember watching recruiting videos of Bernstine and being giddy about Iowa landing him. Hard to believe this is his last shot and he is still not a top dog.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Aug 1, 2011 10:00 AM CDT reply actions
Love the "Craig Finn" lyric, totally read it in his voice.
What’s with the lack of the word “hoodrat” though? I don’t think Craig Finn can go five full lines without calling someone a hoodrat.
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Shakespearean Iowa opponents is back? Sweet!
Prepare for the prose
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While I'm at it
Nickel, not nickle.
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by therealCatnuts on Aug 1, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Fuck off.
Seriously, fuck off. 1900 words and nothing constructive in response. Again.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Aug 1, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here, here, Patrick.
But perhaps if you were a little smarter you would not err when spelling nickel.
(But I suspect he would nickel-and-dime you on something else.)
We play tackle football.
And also
It’s not nickelback. It’s nickleback, as in the coin worth five cents that is spelled NICKLE. Nickelback is a stupid fucking queefcore band from Canada.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Aug 1, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
fuck off yourself
And I’ll be offering other thoughts now that I’m finished with the article. Your hair trigger is getting itchy again, I see. I’ll continue to not be offended by this but you might want to get that checked out.
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by therealCatnuts on Aug 1, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Wilco would be better if it sounded more like Nickelback
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Aug 1, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Kidding!
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Aug 1, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Prater cited one thing as why he returned, and that was tht the NFL people said....
…he needed to be better, or at least show that he can be better, at press coverage at the line of scrimmage. Iowa doesn’t do it that much, and apparently there were questions with his size and not seeing enough game film of him doing it.
True, as far as statistics and such, he might not see much difference, and if Iowa has the same approach, I’m not sure how he “showcases” that skill. But I recall him definitely talking about that as an area he can improve substantially in.
meh
Also, did Prater and Lowery really receive their 3rd stars not until after their Nebraska and Iowa offers, respectively?
Cuz I know Prater didn’t get offered by UN until Pelini arrived. (Good thing, too, because he wouldn’t have been starting until this season).
meh
Yeah
They’ve been burned enough in the past that they’re starting to give a lot of Iowa guys with no other big offers three stars just on the basis of the Iowa offer. It’s kind of funny.
Prater I think also benefited from a really good senior year, which probably led the Nebraska offer and the third star.
Prater isn't that big
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by smokinthereiff on Aug 1, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought that's what I said. Or meant to imply.
He didn’t get to showcase the physical pressing so far at Iowa, and since he isn’t that big like 6’2" 210, they aren’t going to assume he can do it either.
meh
and he looks really young
Oh wait, he is the one with the headphones on, not the footie pjs.
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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 2, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Jordan Price's blonde dreads are fantastic.
Although I’m almost certain he’s also one of those Ped Mall-types that Stanzi was trying to warn us about last year.
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Bernstine
has had a strange slow slide to obscurity. He has raw athleticism and size that appears to be above any other defensive back on our roster, but he can never get on the field. A lot of people blame injuries, but talented guys with injury problems still find ways onto the field when healthy (TonyMo, Yanda, and a host of other guys I can’t remember off the top of my head because they’re not NFL guys).
There has to be something else missing, but the quick answer of poor interaction with coaches doesn’t appear to be correct. Other reasons at this point are probably just speculation, but it’s crazy to me to think that he won’t even be seeing time at safety or nickel this year.
Unmet Rivals/Scout expectations and being passed by unheralded guys who work harder/smarter appears to be a Ferentz theme. I think until that changes we might have a hard time landing the higher-rated skill players, but I guess that also assumes HS juniors know the history of that.
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There you go. That's a good one.
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by therealCatnuts on Aug 1, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank You
And I think you’re correct. There’s something to the fact that the top-level guys seem more likely to implode at Iowa than others. Bernstine is particularly odd, because usually the guy who shows up with those accolades and doesn’t make it in the first few years transfers. He’s not said anything I’ve seen about frustration or anger with his situation, and I don’t think there’s any question of his work ethic (he was a rhabdo guy, after all, and one of the very few upperclassmen in that group at that). Coaches like him, teammates like him, but he can’t break through.
I have to wonder if his athleticism is a bit overstated, and that he was shoehorned into a corner spot he couldn’t really play (remember, he played safety in high school, and the Central Iowa Metro League isn’t the typical T-formation football you see in the small schools; you can use a cover corner in that league). It’s the only explanation I can come up with, because on the face of it, he should be crushing the guys ahead of him.
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by Patrick Vint on Aug 1, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
It's pretty telling that when Ferentz talked about the CB2 spot at Media Days Bernstine barely even rated a mention.
He talked about Lowery and Castillo, but Bernstine? Nope.
Q: You lost a lot of defensive talent from last year but return Shaun Prater and Micah Hyde.
Kirk Ferentz: Shaun Prater is one of the more experienced guys on the team. He is a good football player and also has great energy. He has a good attitude. He adds a lot with his production on the field. I know he will be our left corner. We know what Hyde can do at corner and we looked at him in the spring at free safety, to see if he was capable of doing that as we graduated Brett Greenwood who was a three and a half year starter. That is a big part of our defense, having good safety play. Now we are looking at Lowery and Castillo at corner, and we won’t know until September how we will line up. Hyde can play corner and I think he can play safety.
Q: You also lost Tyler Sash….
Ferentz: Micah’s move didn’t factor into that. Jordan Bernstine has played mostly corner is in contention, Colin Sleeper is there, a walk on last year and Tom Donatell. We will see what camp brings. It might be that we move someone else. Tanner Miller is a possibility. We are not sure what the best combination is. We have some good competition and sort it out. That may change all year.
It seems like he’s talking about Bernstine being in contention for the other safety spot opposite Hyde — i.e., competing with Sleeper, Miller, and Donatell.
But still: odd. In ‘08 and ’09 when Bernstine got jumped and never got a crack at the starter’s job, it was because the guy who displaced him (Spievey in ‘08, Prater in ’09) was really damn good. I’m not sure that was the case in ‘10, although Hyde did get much better as the season progressed. But now, as a fifth-year senior to be unable to get by Castillo or Lowery? Hmmm. He’s looked pretty decent in spot duty during games, but that’s been primarily as a nickel corner, too. We’ve never seen him much as a primary corner, as I recall. I can only assume that Castillo, Lowery, et al are more consistent performers than Bernstine in practice. Maybe safety is his true calling and he can blossom there (that was another position that was pretty well blocked off from ‘08-’10).
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Yeah, I think he'll at least be in the running for that safety spot.
When he came into the Insight Bowl he seemed to really provide a spark, and was one of the more active players during that part of the game (of course many were timred by then, but whatever), at least on a few plays that I remember (my Mom noticed him too and asked who he was- – that’s not like your average football fan noticing… she does what she can to keep up with things, so you gotta do something to get a mention from her).
I’d love to see him get his shot.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 1, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, I think the other safety spot would be better for him.
He played decent time in the Insight Bowl, if I remember correctly and had a number of big hits.
I think Bernstine ends up taking the safety spot
As mentioned, it’s where he played in high school and the boat load of injuries he’s suffered has meant that he’s never had the chance to really learn the corner position. Plus, if you watch any game film, it becomes immediately apparent that Bernstine loves laying the wood to people and hitting them. I think it will be Hyde at FS and Bernstine at SS when all is said and done.
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by HoyaGoon on Aug 1, 2011 1:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I wonder how much of that is due to the way the program has been run
that is, while we preach (and live) the best 11 on the field, the staff obviously takes practice very seriously and gives all the guys a shot at making it. Not just the most heralded, so the lower star guys who may not have really deserved that 2 or 3 star ranking, but got it because rivals or whoever didn’t do any research, have motivation to try to take the job. They’re honestly given that shot, and earn the job. Or maybe we’re just no good at 4 and 5 star guys.
I really hope that’s not the case
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Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Aug 1, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, we don't usually get the pick of the litter with 4/5 star guys.
We get leftovers for the most part, so that might be part of it (in a few different ways).
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 1, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Correlation =/= causation
We’ve had highly ranked guys work out in the past. We’ve also had a lot of them run into stuff like injury problems (or in some cases just being busts, which happens every where, but I think with Iowa the bulk of them run into injury or off the field issues), which can derail anyone’s career. I don’t think a star rating makes you less likely to stay healthy. It tends to stand out a lot more with Iowa because we get so few highly ranked kids. If you’re like Alabama and a 4* guy’s career is wrecked by a knee injury, it’s not a note worthy because there’s a host of other 4 and 5*s waiting to take his place. At Iowa we only get a handful per class, and fans wind up obsessing over them, so it’s a big deal when they don’t work out.
Agree with this 100%
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by therealCatnuts on Aug 1, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, aside from the infamous '05 guys, I don't think Iowa's luck with 4/5* guys is all that bad.
Looking at the Rivals rankings going back to ’02 (none available prior to that)…
2002 —
4* Chris Felder: ??? (I have no idea what happened to him, although I don’t recall him making an impact for Iowa)
4* Ed Miles: multi-year starter at LB, was good but not spectacular
1/2
2003 —
4* Mike Jones: multi-year starter at OL, was good but not spectacular
4* Drew Tate: three-year starter at QB, spectacular at first, then just good
4* Albert Young: three-year starter at RB, spectacular in 05, good otherwise
3/3
2004 —
5* Kyle Williams: shouldn’t really count since he never set foot on campus (thank god for that)
4* Wallner Belleus: JUCO 4*’s aren’t really the same thing.
n/a
2005 —
5* Dan Doering: lots of injuries, underperformed when healthy; a definite disappointment
4* Kalvin Bailey: gone almost immediately, as I recall; grades casualty, I think
4* Ryan Bain: left in 2006, seeking more PT; disappointment
4* Jake Christensen: one year as starter, two as back-up, then transfer; disappointment
4* Rafael Eubanks: multi-year starter; solid, but not spectacular
4* Alex Kanellis: lots of injuries, ultimately quit football; disappointment
4* Tony Moeaki: three-year starter (sorta); very good when healthy; oft-injured
4* Dace Richardson: occasional starter; very good when healthy; oft-injured; disappointment
2/8
2006 —
4* Adrian Clayborn: three-year starter; often spectacular, always at least good
4* Jeremiha Hunter: three-year starter; good, rarely spectacular
2/2
2007 —
4* Christian Ballard: three-year starter; almost always very good, occasionally spectacular
4* Jordan Bernstine: lots of injuries; not made much of an impact yet; so far disappointment
4* Bryan Bulaga: three-year starter; some injuries, but spectacular when healthy
4* Cedric Everson: sexual assault, dismissed; disappointment (in so many ways)
4* Diauntae Morrow: trapped behind Sash/Greenwood, transferred for PT; didn’t play much; disappointment
2/5 (so far)
2008 —
none
2009 —
4* Keenan Davis: trapped behind DJK/McNutt first two years, no significant impact yet; too soon to pass judgment
4* Brandon Wegher: very good in one year of work; baby mama drama led to transfer; disappointment
n/a
2010 —
way too soon to tell.
n/a
Aside from the ‘05 debacle, I’d say Iowa’s gone 8/12 in getting a good return on 4*/5* recruits. Which is not too bad.
I think the curious thing is that very few of those 4*/5* guys have had superstar (or at least Iowa superstar)-type careers at Iowa. Ed Miles and Jeremiha Hunter were very solid, reliable starters at LB, but neither guy was the second coming of Chad Greenway. Bulaga and Clayborn are probably the best examples of guys who came in with a lot of hype and big star rankings — and then delivered on it in full. (Though Ballard wasn’t foo far behind and I think Moeaki would have done so if he hadn’t been made of glass.)
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by RossWB on Aug 1, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec. Excellent research and justification
IIRC, some of the guys that were bumped to 4-star by Scout but not Rivals included guys like Ryan Donahue and Shonn Greene. Two more in the good-to-great column
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by therealCatnuts on Aug 1, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
It is Iowa defense.
If you don’t have the technique and the defensive game-plan, down cold, then you will (at best) be fighting with others to be the first one off the bench.
I’m struggling to remember the last guy starting on an Iowa defense who was an athletic freak but who wasn’t always playing pretty smart. I remember Matt Roth making some kind of bone-head plays, but I won’t go so far as to say he didn’t have the game-plan down, and he seems to have had very good pass-rushing technique.
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by WaterlooChazz on Aug 1, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I would disagree about Roth
quite simply, he was at DE to go after the QB, and his pass-rush technique was pretty much a bull-rush (which, admittedly, he was pretty good at). When he first got to Iowa, they tried him at LB, but found that, well, he just wasn’t going to be very good at it, partially due to all the responsibilities. I definitely think there’s something to be said for the coaching staff putting him in a role that suited him, but my guess would be he had fewer responsibilities (in terms of gaps, playing the run, etc.) than almost any DL we’ve had.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Maybe.
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by WaterlooChazz on Aug 2, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Until very recently Bernstein has found a way on the field when he was healthy
He played early in his career (as mentioned, he didn’t redshirt back when that never happened because the coaches wanted him to get experience and special teams reps, and he played quite a bit behind Speivey and Fletcher in 08), but since then he’s missed an entire season and then had trouble getting practice reps because of injuries. You can’t develop as a player if you can’t play. Meanwhile, the other corners on the roster who aren’t banged up are getting valuable practice, game, and wight room time to improve.
This seems like another case of people confusing correlation and causation when it comes to a top ranked recruit failing to live up to expectations. He hasn’t failed to live up to expectations because he was a highly ranked recruit, he’s a highly ranked recruit who’s happened to have trouble getting on the field for a variety of reasons, most of them injury related.
I maintain the injury thoughts are just a convenient excuse
He’s been healthier than some other guys that saw the field for us that I mentioned in the original comment. I think you’re being a little bit of an apologist for Bernstine in not seeing the decline he’s seen in the favor of the coaches over time.
I agree that we tend to get too gassed up about the few big recruits we have not working out, but the fact remains that Bernstine is one of them that is not working as we or the coaches expected
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by therealCatnuts on Aug 1, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not trying to be an apologist for Bernstein,
but the sounds of it his broken ankle was a really fucked up broken ankle. In the spring of 2010 Norm was asked how he was coming along, and Norm had said something about Bernstein not totally trusting the ankle or still being really hesitant about it. In the same comments, Norm talked about Hyde really emerging (and he did, obviously).
by Captain n Diet Coker on Aug 1, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
He missed all of 09 with an severe ankle injury, most of last year with injuries (likely stemming from the ankle), and this year he supposedly had one of the worst cases of Rhabdo on the team (and I think a tweaked knee, too, but that might be wrong). The dude has had horrible luck with injuries, so of course his playing time has declined. Especially given that it’s a position where we’ve done a really good job developing talent over the years. The door has repeatedly been opened for guys to pass him up because he can’t get on the field.
Okay, then finish that thought. "A convenient excuse" for... ?
The only negative thing I’ve heard about JB was when he and Jewel got kicked out of Vito’s (and arrested?) after some drunk undergrad tried to start a fight with Hampton and Jordan stood up for him (official story).
Do you think NorseHawk is JB’s dad or something? Why would he be an apologist in this case? What is there for him to gain?
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 1, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
"A convenient excuse for..."
What I’m about to guess has absolutely no basis in fact (or even rumor.) But, when you have a guy who was close-to-dominant for a while (high school), and then moved into a level of competition with drug testing and suddenly had a binge of injuries, and if I told you that guy had massive arms and a slightly-pronounced forehead, what is a possible theory?
Or, it could just be horrible luck with injuries.

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by WaterlooChazz on Aug 1, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice, Chazz
Good of you to engage in completely unfounded and reackless rumor-mongering.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Aug 1, 2011 5:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This is one of the worst comments from you, and that's saying a lot.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Aug 1, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Boo hoo.
I said it was only a theory, and I specifically said I had no proof or rumors about it.
If you can’t admit that this is even a possibility, then you aren’t being honest, in this day and age.
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by WaterlooChazz on Aug 1, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I know you like to bait people and this is all I'm going to say about this topic so you can see the point of your disgusting "theory"
I know from your own comments and through my own observations that you’re balding, overweight, work at a school, and seem to be on your computer all the time. Therefore, I’m just going to assume that you look at pictures and videos of little boys and girls from the cameras you have hidden in the school bathrooms. I’m being honest with myself and considering the possiblity in this day in age despite no proof or rumors about it.
See what I did there (and obviously I don’t actually assume this)? Just check yourself before you go making completely unfounded, reckless, dangerous “theories” and putting them out there.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Aug 1, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Wow. Slap.
I don’t even have a decent comeback.
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by WaterlooChazz on Aug 1, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a harmless comment
I’m saying injury is a convenient excuse for why he’s not playing. If I had to guess, I think he’s probably just not good enough.
And I said NorseHawk was being a little bit of an apologist, didn’t say he flat-out was one. For some reason, Bernstine gets a lot of “yeah, but” chances from fans, more than other guys in my opinion. NorseHawk just seems to have some of those thoughts. I’m not saying it’s necessarily a bad thing, I’m just curious about the whole situation. If the guy isn’t making it on the field, why do we have so many people saying he’s clearly the next guy in and that the only thing holding him back is injury? Just seems odd to me, that’s all.
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by therealCatnuts on Aug 1, 2011 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Bernstine negatives
I seem to remember reading, from time to time, hints that Bernstine’s practice effort might not be the greatest. I think Morehouse has intimated that a couple of times over the past couple years plus, some coaches singling Bernstine out for criticism have popped up in practice videos that have been posted. Nothing serious, mind you, just enough to hint that maybe Bernstine doesn’t exactly go all out at practice and this, combined with his injuries is what has kept him from significant playing time as the coaches don’t believe he has mastered the corner position.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Link?
I can’t remember ever reading anything like this
I'll try to find something
But this is largely from memory, or what I think I remember. And I don’t want to overstate the case and make it sound like it is a common/regular occurrence, just that I seem to remember hearing snippets of this on occasion.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Castillo is curious.
Some of his on-field exploits (particularly that ‘09 UNI game) bring back the Shada-pains in Iowa fans and that’s fair enough. But he also seems to be a victim of Greenwood-itis, too. Greenwood was thrown into the fray way before he should have been in 2007 because the other options were Harold Dalton (who played SS anyway) and the water boy, if memory serves. And so we got more than a few examples of him getting burned by receivers or bowled over by running backs and the EPIC GREENWOOD meme was born.
But then he kept playing and, well, he got kinda good. He never made the big hits like Sanders or the splashy interceptions like Sash or Considine, but by ‘09 and ’10 he was a very consistent and very productive safety and EPIC GREENWOOD was only used ironically (or even genuinely, when Greenwood actually did something spectacular). So there’s precedent there. See also: Bradley Fletcher, whose coverage skills were dumpster fire-level bad as recently as 2007 (I remember him replacing Shada for a few games that year due to injury and you could have easily called him “Black Shada,” if that hadn’t been (a) racist and (b) kinda mean), but who turned into a very fine Big Ten cornerback in 2008 (as well as an NFL draft pick). Castillo, like Greenwood, was thrown into the mix way too early in 2009, but it’s certainly reasonable to think that he’s improved since then and that he could improve further still. He looked improved in spot duty last year (I thought he was better than Lowe, who’s a far superior athlete but whose instincts seem a little lacking).
All of which is to say: if Castillo is indeed the starting cornerback at the beginning of the year, let’s try to at least wait for him to fuck up a few times before we start panicking. (Although personally I’m rooting for Lowery to win the job so we can make Shaun Prater’s nickname “The Bear.”)
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by RossWB on Aug 1, 2011 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
playing opposite "B.J." opens up so many nickname possibilities
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by therealCatnuts on Aug 1, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
My big question mark was Castillo when I saw the roster...
I agree with your points Ross but he just has not impressed me at all. He consistently gets beaten and has not shown the ability to be physical at the corner spot. He is my Adam Shada but that is only one man’s opinion.
by Captain America (aka Steve Rogers) on Aug 1, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
meh
I have seen what you see but I agree with Ross on this one. Give the guy a little time, he was definitely a project coming in and what we have seen was far from the finished project. Also, this staff is good at identifying and developing talent in these positions. If they are high on the kid it is for good reason.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Aug 1, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Not saying I'm right...
Just saying that I would not be shocked to find that putting Castillo in this spot is nothing more than a challenge to the guys behind. Motivational if you will even though it is more than likely that someone else emerges in my mind.
by Captain America (aka Steve Rogers) on Aug 1, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Like Paki being the RB starter a few years in a row?
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by therealCatnuts on Aug 1, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
It goes like this..
Castillo = needs no motivation but doesn’t quite have the skill set
by Captain America (aka Steve Rogers) on Aug 1, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Very interesting notes on the history of drafted Ferentz CBs
and their extreme similarity from 2-star find to 2 yrs starting to 1 yr as The Man.
Now we need reasons for the draft phobia of Iowa WRs. Hopefully McNutt bucks that trend, but I fear that won’t happen. Is hereally such better draft stock than Kasper, Hill, Jones, Brown, or DJK? (a bit off topic, but we already did WRs so why not?)
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Things that will never happen...
1) Norm will stop running a 4-3.
2) KF will develop a less conservative game plan
3) Nico’s internet radio show survives.
Ankles! We don't need no stinking ankles!
by three and out the kok story on Aug 1, 2011 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think Torrey Campbell could potentially see some time this year.
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not a chance
played RB too recently.. AIRBHG is not fooled by a “change of position”
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Aug 1, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Hasn't Prater already started two years? And he was the man last year, right?
Unless you’re talking about the entire defensive backfield then obviously he wasn’t.
I don’t remember the other guys, but I thought Spievey was the starter for only two years, being “the man” in his second. Prater will be “the man” in his third year starting, no?
And didn’t Fletcher only start one year?
meh
Fletcher started a fair number of games in 2007, I think.
So we’re stretching the “two year starter” thing there a little, but hey.
Prater will have been “the man” at CB for two years, though (‘10 and ’11). He’s Iowa’s first three-year starter at CB in a while, I think. Since Allen/Johnson, maybe?
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I loved Jovon
Always wished he could have made the show
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by therealCatnuts on Aug 1, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Pittsburgh gave him a look.
And now he’s playing in Canada with the Blue Bombers
My guess is that his height probably hurt him in the NFL.
by The Mexican't on Aug 1, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Played slowpitch with him once
Heck of an athlete, bad softball player. Not that it’s particularly relevant to this conversation.
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Yes.
While we were reading about many an Iowa CB who may have been undersized, I’m glad someone mentioned Jovon and Antwan.
While we’re at it, Benny Sapp may have been a dumbass on the ped-mall, but the guy sure brought the lumber on the field.
If I had a time machine, I’d go back and kill Hitler, and then on the return trip back to the present, I’d stop in 2002 and teach Benny Sapp that it is bad to hit ladies.
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by WaterlooChazz on Aug 1, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I kinda thought Speivey was "the man" for two years, myself
You could defintiely argue Fletcher in 08 (he was fantastic, and it was a really cool story after the way he struggled in the years prior), but I thought Speivey was the better of the two.
yeah, for sure.
I’m just not sure I buy the 2-year starter, etc. stuff as being as consistent as the piece makes it out to be.
meh
You may have missed the point being made.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 1, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I got the point. I just think it could have been made in a way where the facts are actually true.
meh
Facts
pphhhhhththththbbbb
Who needs em.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 2, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
That shit's overrated anyway
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I think Nico said he'll be wearing 21 this year.
Seems fitting considering the personality. Our very own “Prime Time”.
Is a move to corner really more likely than trying to crack the depth chart at safety? It’s not like Iowa is loaded at the back, either. Obviously we know next to nothing about Iowa’s safety depth since no one could unseat Sash & Greenwood, but I’d imagine that Law will get a good look against Donatell, Sleeper, Miller and Bernstine. I’m also not sure whether Law is a SS or FS, and whether his competition level changes as a result.
Yeah I agree
I don’t see how him being unlikely to redshirt telegraphs a move to corner. If anything safety is a lot more shallow. Unless there’s been something written about him moving that I haven’t seen I don’t anticipate a position change.
I think it's a coin flip
There’s not much depth at safety either, to be sure, but KF has proven to be far more likely to play a walk-on at free safety than he is at cornerback. So while they’re relying on guys like Sleeper and Donatell, it’s still better than Sleeper or Miller outside covering wideouts streaking down the sideline with no chance of safety help. Free safety isn’t a highly-leveraged position in the cover 2-quarters hybrid defensive thing that we run. Corner is. That’s the only reason I could see them putting Law there (if injuries made it necessary; if we aren’t missing two guys from the top 4, the argument is probably moot).
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by Patrick Vint on Aug 1, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoops, I meant strong safety
The rest of the argument stands.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Aug 1, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Lomax has a shot.
He has the speed, skill and intellect to pick up time at CB this year if needed. He has the skills. Law should see time at Safety and ST.
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I played Iowa on NCAA Football 2012
and the defensive backfield was repeatedly awful. They might be on to something or a programmer in silicon valley is an Iowa hater.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
If it's any consolation, just about every defensive backfield is awful.
Deep center is open all day.
by The Mexican't on Aug 1, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
This.
No matter what team you use and no matter the difficulty setting.
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by BStylin Hawkye on Aug 1, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Strangely enough
I believe one of the developers is either an Iowa alum or Iowa fan. I remember hearing this after they repeatedly fucked up Iowa’s unis (including those God-awful white facemasks a few years back), and somebody told me that someone involved with the game actually was an alum or fan.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
He/she must of went to Purdue
and got his software engineer degree, and since he/she went to OMHR, they are going to screw us from now until they get fired or leave.
All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!
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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Aug 2, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
As I recall Prater got a lot of tackles after the catch.
Gotta love the “prevent (you from winning) defense” when the opposing team runs consecutive 10-15 yard down and outs. Yep, give plenty of cushion and keep the wide out in front of you, give him plenty of time to catch the ball. Fourth quarter anyone?
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Aug 1, 2011 3:46 PM CDT reply actions
Watch 09 Prater and 10 Prater
He was more consistent in 2010 (so better) but in 09 there wasn’t as much of a cushion.
I’ll re-submit that he was helping to cover the middle of the field. An area manned by guys who have been to Prom faaaaaaaaaar too recently, instead of being manned by men who now play in the NFL.
It drove me nuts too, but I really don’t think it was Prater’s choice.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 1, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, Villanova must hate us when it comes to football
it seems like Iowa’s favorite thing to do is steal one of their recruits at the last minute
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 1, 2011 6:52 PM CDT reply actions
I was thinking this too when I realized we'd done it a few times.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Aug 1, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
we didn't get Howie Long
And he fits the profile exactly.
Yes, I freakin’ know it was well before KF’s time, most people under 30 don’t realize that he actually played football instead of just talking about it and that he didn’t really blossom until he entered the pros.
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by The Bacon Explosion on Aug 2, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Broken Arrow rules!
You mean he’s not just famous for being a movie star?
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Howie Scream >> Wilhelm Scream
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