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First, listen to Will Lyles' interview with Bomani Jones on The Score from Tuesday. In fact, if you do nothing else with this article, just at least listen to that interview and judge Lyles for yourself. To us, he sounds like a normal, reasonable person who probably broke an NCAA rule or two (or at the very least facilitated Oregon's rule-breaking, if the NCAA determines they did). Now, read Recruitocosm's jarringly racist "satire" of Lyles, in which they treat the scout/advisor/whatever like some idiot Jesse Jackson on drugs. Unless there's some other way to interpret a guy who doesn't know his words, plays up an aggressive victim complex, can't take responsibility, talks southern slang, and is desperate for a McRib. Come on. Don't treat us like we're stupid here. There's no reason to characterize Lyles with any of those qualities, and no reason for Recruitocosm to even think of pinning them on him, except for the fact that Lyles is black.

And now this, FanTake partner (and SB Nation member) Barking Carnival not denouncing the lousy garbage of a "satire" article, but instead doubling down in its support of Recruitocosm. Look, I know Bomani doesn't need me carrying water for him and he's big enough to fight his own battles, but bullshit is bullshit, and I'm not just going to sit around and let a blog associated with our great network pull off some cheap, lazy racism for a laugh. If you can't put words in a black man's mouth in the name of "satire" without making him shuck and jive for all your white readers, then maybe you should stop putting words in a black man's mouth. Maybe that's how they do things down in Texas, but that's not how we do it on SB Nation.

Oh, and the "satire" was terrible even without the racism.

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by Bucketochicken on Jul 8, 2011 11:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Well, they did have that epic New Cyclone Logo thread a while back.

That’s the only other time I’ve looked there. Checking out the cached article, yikes. Attention everyone: the internet is written in pen and things like this don’t go away when you hit the delete key.

"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"

by IPeeBlackAndGold on Jul 8, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

That reminds me of a time when I was at a party

and a random dude shows up (friend of a friend of a friend) and the party thrower is all “who the fuck are you?” Well, I’d talked to the dude at someone else’s party earlier in the summer, and he seemed cool (while I was inebriated), and so I’m like “dude’s cool, I know him, he’s fine” (inebriated again).
Later he gets caught rummaging through the party thrower’s girlfriend’s underwear drawer. Who looks like almost as big of an asshole as the Pantysniffing Asshole? Me.

At one time, when we were all drunk on ISU hate, BC seemed cool enough. At least we didn’t invite them into any parties.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 8, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Taken down?

The original BC link is broken or down. I did get a chance to read it before this and wow…just piss poor judgment on their part. Assuming their next few posts will be done in blackface.

by Onestatewest on Jul 8, 2011 11:43 AM CDT reply actions  

The link:

Link to “satire”

The link in the story above has some extra stuff in it in pointing to a non-existent page.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields

by rockyh on Jul 8, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well said, Jacobi.

And my thoughts on Lyles after listening yesterday was that he seems like a guy who wanted to be involved in football, but didn’t have a clear path in so he found what he could. He doesn’t seem like a bad (or stupid) guy at all. Hell, he’s working as a stocker at a grocery store/liquor store/bakery while training guys in the morning.

Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.

by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Jul 8, 2011 11:44 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

Although I came to that conclusion about Lyles after reading the Yahoo piece. It was pretty apparent that this guy really thought he was doing what was best for these kids. It was also pretty apparent that he thought he was running a legitimate scouting service that should be worth money to a lot of schools. Hell, had a few others on his books (although at 5,000 and 6,000 respectively).

It was pretty clear that Chip Kelly was either:

1) Completely unaware of the value of ‘money’

or

2) Basically trying to bribe this guy into doing business with just Oregon.

I've spent most of my money and booze, birds, and fast cars. The rest I wasted.

by psuphysicist on Jul 8, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow, that's...not the kind of hate we like to promote around here

Good work calling it out OPS

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by sailorjerry on Jul 8, 2011 11:46 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Hmmmmmmm. Interesting.

Deletes just-written Al Jolson tribute to Indiana athletics

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

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by Blackheartnopants on Jul 8, 2011 11:53 AM CDT reply actions  

They used to tell me I was building a dream, and so I followed the mob,
    When there were players to punch, or gum to spit, I was always there right on the job.
    They used to tell me I was building a dream, with wins and glory ahead,
    Why should I be standing in line, just shining Crean’s forehead?

Once I built a railroad, I made it run, made it race against time.

    Once I built a railroad; now it’s done. Brother, can you spare a Knight?
    Once I built a tower, up to the sun, brick, and rivet, and lime;
    Once I built a tower, now it’s done. Brother, can you spare a Knight?

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 8, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And, with that, you are reinstated.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jul 8, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

the original piece appears to have been deleted

can a copy of it be found anywhere on the interwebs?

by Loretta8 on Jul 8, 2011 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Ted Sarniak would totally be a "street agent" if he was black.

As it is, he’s a “booster”.

I’m not sure if that’s racism or just laziness. I lean towards thinking the latter, but you never know.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 8, 2011 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Or just

click this

I don’t know if I would have gotten to the racist stuff had I found it on my own because that is just poorly written crap.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Jul 8, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

this link worked for me:

http://recruitocosm.fantake.com/2011/06/29/will-lyles-goes-on-the-record-with-the-ap/

and yes, that “satire” was both racist and not funny.

by Loretta8 on Jul 8, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I made the mistake of reading the comments

“I had no idea McRib and Cash4Gold were racist” was my favorite. No, you ignorant hick it’s the “selling dead people’s teeth” and the implied love of BBQ followed by an absurd rant against a white power structure that’s racist.

by PackerHawk on Jul 8, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Situations like this are

because the NCAA is allowing it. Schools should be doing their own scouting and recruiting. Kids can send a video tape or DVD or electronic file of a video to any school they please. Then, schools need to evaluate and go forward.

Allowing a place like Oregon (who I consider to be slightly dirty, and may someday be proven officially dirty), to pay dozens of thousands of dollars, even for information about high school athletes, is retarded.

A system like what is currently in place only favors the big schools anyway, because how many mid-sized or small schools can pay that kind of money for scouting services? I think it would be better for college football if there were some kids who were a bit off-the-radar, and ended up going to a college that actually did the appropriate legwork to find those kids.

Finally, the interview with Lyles may not make him seem guilty or dirty, but he knows he is a middle-man. Certified high school coaches should be doing what he is doing. But for some reason, somebody thinks it’s better to have a bunch of free-lancing grocery store clerks running around, being “advisors” to 17 and 18 year-old kids, and taking cash from anybody that can afford to give it to them.

I’d like to know if (and how much money) that Iowa, UNI, and ISU pay “scouting services” each year. I’d also like to know the name of those scouting services, and the person at that service that actually cashes the check.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

A huge piece of the puzzle,

that helps decide whether Oregon and Lyles are above-board, or not, is when the guy got the money. If he got the money really close to when the kids signed letters, then maybe this is fishy.

Oregon has 4 kids from Texas on their roster: 2 from the Houston area, 1 from Southlake Carroll, and one from Texarkana (LaMichael James).

Finally, anybody close to LaMichael James deserves scrutiny. When the kid is rolling around town in cars that look to be way above his means, shit is going to get investigated.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

On a semi-related note (people making piles of money off of these student-athletes),

Was there discussion on here of the Crack Baby Athletic Association South Park that satires the NCAA a few weeks ago? I was on vacation and only sparingly checked in here, and just caught the episode a few days ago. I like the point they were trying to make, although it kind of fell apart when they got preoccupied with the Slash is Everywhere subplot.

"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"

by IPeeBlackAndGold on Jul 8, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it got discussed a ton here, but I'm going off my memory, so...

And yes, that episode was one of those South Park episodes where It was a bit unclear and not really funny enough.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chazz, dropping the R bomb?

You can do better. I’m sure it’s just an old habit, but please, try to do better.

/steps off soapbox
//slips on soapy film

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 8, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are we really at that point here,

that you can’t call something retarded?

I mean, if I was making jokes at the expense of people with retardation, then I deserve criticism. But, come on.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

There’s even a PSA about it on the televisions

by PackerHawk on Jul 8, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, if I do everything a PSA tells me to,

then I’ll probably have way too much to do. Next thing, you’re going to tell me I should get into volunteerism and actually help my community.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am thinking about doing some volunteering

but seeing as how Lubbock is basically a huge tire fire the challenge is really going to be where to begin

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just asking you to try.

That’s all.

I work in human services, so people dropping the R bomb just makes me sad. Don’t make me sad Chazz. Please.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 8, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll try.

And, please know that awhile back, I used to spend time with people with retardation. I’m not completely heartless.

I guess, in my mind, it’s easier to say “that’s retarded” rather than “that’s fucking stupid.” And when I say it, I’m not trying to offend people that face real challenges.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got that. You're good people.

Just a pet peeve because it honestly messes my mind up (worse than it usually is).

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 8, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still working on getting Chazz not to tell rape jokes.

Baby steps here, man.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jul 8, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's come a long way in the last couple years though.

My wife wants to know the secret.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 8, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got some watermelon in my fridge

I may go have a bite.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz

by Blackheartnopants on Jul 8, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I preferred that they couched it behind something and pretended it was not racism

Like the phrase “states’ rights”

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 8, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh boy!

is this the part where we southerners get lectured to by yankees who know all about racism and can look down on us because we simply are too ignorant to know as much as them? because that’s my favorite.

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by kleph on Jul 8, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is that not why you came here

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, as we all know,

racism stops at the Tennessee border.

/sarcasm font

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you want to defend Souterners on racism, go ahead. Nobody's perfect, but that's a losing argument

And you’re reading the wrong kind of hidden meaning there anyway.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 8, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey kleph

that’s a pretty wicked knee-jerk you’ve got there.

You may need to have that looked at.

[But I get it. I’m sure you’ve been told you’re racist several times with no cause, and I can imagine how old that must get.]

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 8, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fact: I am going to whip you at Gettysburg

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

You bet your cotton-pickin' ass

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wait... shoot

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please.

Iowa couldn’t even be bothered to show up at Gettysburg the last time.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 8, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our boys were in Mississippi at the time

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

25% of the Union troops at Shiloh

were from Iowa.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Jul 8, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Iowa had the highest per capita rate of volunteer military service

of any state (north or south) during the civil war

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

And not one of them were at Gettysburg.

Minnesota could be bothered to send some people.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 9, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

They just wanted to get out of the state by any means necessary.

War is better than Minnesota.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 9, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't Iowa have troubles with southern agitators from Missouri?

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz

by Blackheartnopants on Jul 9, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

thought it was crocodiles...

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...Hayden Fry

by chuck longs mom on Jul 9, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Nearly made me LOL during a conference call

rec

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields

by rockyh on Jul 11, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Believe it or not

but there were other things than just the battle of Gettysburg going during the Civil War

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jul 9, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please don't feed the bears.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 9, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will take the high ground,

protect my flanks, and force you into an ill-advised, catastrophic attack that will ultimately fail.

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 9, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just stay out of peach orchards

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jul 9, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Iowans are physically incapable of taking the high ground.

I’m not saying you’re not good men, but let’s be realistic.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 10, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fine, we will take the flat ground

and neither hell nor Missourians can run us off

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 10, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pennsylvanians are better riflemen.

You’ll have no shelter and little breastworks.

Let’s see how well you stand up against the Bucktails!

And, yes, I totally want a Bucktail action figure.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 11, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

We have lots of old people and superior close-in

fighting skills. You will waste your well-placed rifle shot on wave upon wave of octogenarians and all the while our fighters will maneuver in close to wrestle you to defeat. Also, we have more hogs than you do and they will attack in the most vicious and ravenous manner until you are utterly vanquished.

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 11, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, please.

Ask the Chinese how well their human wave attacks worked in open terrain against well directed fire.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 11, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ask the Russians

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 11, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, please.

The Russians didn’t win because they used human wave attacks. When they used human wave attacks, they failed. The Russians won because they could build more tanks and more aircraft (They had air superiority by ’43).

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 11, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

They used them at Kursk

and Stalingrad. They emptied prisons and mental health facilities to provide human waves to draw fire from armed soldiers. Not saying it was a great strategy, but it does do a good job of thinning out your elderly population. If you guys are using muzzle-loading rifles then the human wave will probably be effective.

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 11, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, it probably still won't!

The fields leading to Cemetery Ridge are fairly open. You may break through much more effectively than the Confederates did if I don’t have any artillery, but I think you underestimate both the muzzle-loading rifle and my capacity to move up reserves.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 11, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

He should go on a run with Denzel

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 9, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Throughout history

It’s either been lecture the south, beat decency into the south, threaten beating decency into the south.
If you truly can think of a time, anytime the south decided to do something about racism on their own, I would love to hear about it.
Until then, keep playing the victim.

Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina

by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Jul 9, 2011 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like the Second Revival, where in Iowa it took the combination of the Great Depression and the Federal Government to stamp them out? I know it is impossible for some to believe, but there are many who are proud to live in the South, are fair minded, and find it sad that some people like to show how open minded they are by denouncing all of us as stupid, backward, racist hicks. But I forget that sterotypes aren’t wrong as a whole, only certain ones.

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Jul 9, 2011 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

The history of Iowa and the south are EXACTLY THE SAME when it comes to race relations; (except for Jim Crow, slavery, the necessity of federal troops to integrate etc.).
Perhaps you should accuse New York as being JUST AS anti-Semitic as 1939 Germany to bolster your next argument.

If you want to claim ‘southerners are no longer more racist than the north’. Fine. Do it.
But don’t insult my intelligence by trying to drag Iowa into the historical pile of filth that is the south.
And for god’s sake, quit playing the victim. You have no idea how pathetic it is, & how little I care.

Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina

by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Jul 9, 2011 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Way to completely miss the point that there bad people everywhere, and going around throwing out stereotypes is never a good thing. Thank you for also underlining the fact that you are an asshole.

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Jul 9, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you think about it,

kleph and otisnixon aren’t really wrong. It is a bit unfair to stereotype all the people who live in the current south as “straight out of Mississippi Burning.”

Every place has a past. But their are plenty of people in the south who hate racism as much as others say they do. Let’s cut the visitors some slack, until they start talking shit about the Hawkeyes.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 9, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are bad people everywhere

But seldom has there been an entire region that historically made it their policy.
And that region ain’t Iowa.
So don’t even attempt to equate Iowa to the south. It is revisionist, insulting, foolish & way too easy to mock.
Not to mention the dreaded ‘stereotypical’. After all, if there has ever been a demographic that has been unfairly treated it is southern whites. My heart goes out to you.

Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina

by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Jul 9, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am a person, not a demographic. Go play your identity politics with someone else.

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Jul 9, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never said otherwise.

I simply pointed out the falsity of YOU trying to equate Iowa to the South (two ‘demographics’, btw).
Again, do not try to drag MY ‘demographic’ down with yours.
If you choose to ignore your own demographic’s history, that is your business, when you try to equate it with mine. It is MY business.

Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina

by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Jul 9, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I pointed out my meaning was the exact opposite of this, which you chose to ignore. If I wanted to drag down your demographic, I would point to Iowa having the largest black to white incarceration disparity in the nation, but that would be wrong. I am trying to point out that demonizing everyone in a geographic location is childish, reactionary, and anti-intellectual. To put it another way, I am not speaking ill of Iowa, I am speaking ill of you, as an individual. You are a hypocrite.

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Jul 9, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you even pay attention to what you type, or do you find you fade in and out?

“I am not speaking ill of Iowa”
“Like the Second Revival, where in Iowa it took the combination of the Great Depression and the Federal Government to stamp them out?”
Way to lose a debate to yourself.
I will just let you and……..ya know…….you continue with this discussion.

Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina

by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Jul 9, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was pointing out your use of blind prejudice to denounce blind prejudice.

"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav

by otisnixon'sparty on Jul 9, 2011 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Strange

I was pointing out Iowa is not the South, and southerners playing the victim is both pathetic & irrelevant.
Ironically, you did the best job of proving both points.
Thank you.
Just keep fighting the power, downtrodden!

Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina

by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Jul 9, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lyles and Texas

For what it’s worth, Lyles truly does believe that the University of Texas is out to get him. Cue up 35:14 in this interview on a Houston radio station. He accuses UT of feeding the media the story that Oregon paid him $25,000 to land Seastrunk. He then says that Texas pays high school coaches to ensure recruits go to Austin and claims that his relationships with Texas broke down “when I didn’t want to steer kids their way.” Lyles describes UT as having a “personal vendetta” against him.

Texas and its fans are royally pissed because Lyles has been helping Texas kids find their way to schools outside the state. UT is used to having the first pick among the state’s recruits (or at least sharing it with Oklahoma), and this guy has been undermining that structure. The name “Will Lyles” has become a berserk button among Longhorns fans who follow recruiting, and anything can happen when he’s brought up. Anything.

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by Year2 on Jul 8, 2011 1:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the "UT is out to get me part" isn't offensive

And I understand that the conspiracy theory thing is part of their satire, but to zero in on bbq, alcohol, and gold teeth as the areas in which to pursue that angle is just wrong. And not the funny, laugh to yourself, kind of wrong.

by PackerHawk on Jul 8, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I agree

The post in question absolutely went too far. I’m not surprised someone went too far, though, based on the above.

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by Year2 on Jul 8, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

"berserk button"

is that anything like that “special spot” on colt mcoy’s shoulder marcel dareus discovered?

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by kleph on Jul 8, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holy geez, haven't heard that one in a while.

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by therealCatnuts on Jul 8, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

He does not write satire good like BHGP does.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Jul 8, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did he just say "making fuck"?

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by therealCatnuts on Jul 9, 2011 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not really in the loop on all of this

As like a lot of football fans, I really don’t get interested until its um, actually football season (I know, shame on me), but I’m fully in favor of severing ties with a site that confuses over the top racism with humor. That’s also pretty consistent with you guys’ policy with racist comments in the threads/on BHGP in general as well.

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by The Bird Cult on Jul 8, 2011 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Someone should send Belanca over there to set them straight

considering how he reacted to the over-the-top “that’s racist” gif.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 8, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

You mean

the one that had been posted 20 times before an nobody said shit?

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by Flakbait on Jul 8, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I so want to post that right now.

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by BStylin Hawkye on Jul 8, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was the watermelon and fried chicken gif used that frequently?

I feel like it only made an appearance a couple times. I laughed when I saw it, but I’m a terrible person.

by The Mexican't on Jul 8, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I also wondered if Flakbait was thinking of

both the “regular” that’s racist gif, and the one with chicken and watermelon. Because the “regular” one got used a lot, and then the other one got ostracized fairly quickly.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

The chicken and watermelon one

Maybe it wasn’t posted 20 times, but it was probably ten or so. And like Mexican’t, I laughed at it to.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Jul 8, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't think the McRib thing went too far,

because I think the joke there is that McRibs are only available at certain times.

The “selling gold teeth” and “collection plate” bits were where it got real bad. Because, even if they weren’t making fun of the guy’s race, then their making fun of him because he is poor, which is still pretty mean.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

the joke is that

A) Black people like to eat ribs
B) Black people are too dumb to know the McRib is a limited time offer.
C) When something negative happens in a black man’s life, they blame it on whitey.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Jul 8, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

but the McRib is sometimes used as a joke against fat people too.

/I’m fat and have never had an actual McRib sandwich. I’ve eaten a similar thing at school and at the nursing home kitchen I once worked at.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you've never eaten a McRib

then you haven’t truly lived. It is soooo bad for you, but oh so amazing.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jul 8, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is wrong.

McRib will give AIDS to the cancer that it gives you. That’s how much it will kill you.

(McDonalds is fucking TERRIBLE for you. Don’t let your kids eat there, please. You may as well give them a cigarette when they’re done with their happy meals.)

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 8, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

What? You're not supposed to give cigarettes to kids?

I thought those new pics on the cigarette packs were telling me to give cigs to babies.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't the formaldahyde stave off plaque build-up?

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

And in this economy, stunting their growth is just a way to avoid having to buy new clothes for kids all the time.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Winston-Salems: New with tartar control

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now, I know we shouldn't give kids matches to play with.

So that’s why I light the cigs for them.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't have kids

but if I did they would all have monogramed bbq lighters

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mostly for grilled corn on the cob

That should reveal my geographic origins

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is the unfortunate result

of joining a college sports blog. People know too much about you from the beginning.

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know, but still

The mystery has been revealed and don’t you feel just a little disappointed by that?

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

no

I’m a fan of breaking the cyber wall that people seem to enjoy about the internet. Which is why I do crazy shit like posting my real picture on twitter.

by PackerHawk on Jul 8, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought that was just because you

are better looking than the rest of us.

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow if that's true I feel bad for you guys

Because I’m not exactly gorgeous. Although I do have hiker’s calves.

by PackerHawk on Jul 8, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

hiker's calves are something

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

One time when I was in Cresco,

at the Howard County Fair, some guy asked me if i played football because I had nice, meaty calves.

"West Texas seems to be full of fake boobs providing a comfortable shade for well-developed pot bellies" - Lycurgus (06/24/2011)

by BStylin Hawkye on Jul 8, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

He looked like this, right?

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope, Olympic toe raise silver medalist

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't you hear?

Corn is evil now. It is on a mission to give us all the diabeetus.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chazz, don't you even...

I love corn

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have eaten sweet corn twice this week.

But right now, it all comes from the south (Georgia? Florida?)

Iowa sweet corn is just tasseling in some places now, so maybe it will be ready in August?

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about that.

Corn is really early around here this year. I’ve seen a field or two that were probably planted in late April and I swear they already have good sized ears. So it might not all be from the heart of treason.

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by ReadingRambler on Jul 8, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Possibly.

I do know that the stuff I ate at the beginning of the week was from Georgia (not the one near Russia.)

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Y'MEAN THE ONE

THE RUSSKIES FROM RED DAWN WEN— never mind.

http://www.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/i-live-in-georgia.jpg

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by hkobb7 on Jul 9, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Likewise over here in communists, catholics, and jackasses territory

Drive by one field on my way to work everyday that is getting really close to being ready. Of course it’s at a working dairy farm/creamery so it might just become feed. I hope it’s sweet corn though.

by PackerHawk on Jul 9, 2011 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's just processed corn (like sweetener).

Though I’m out of the corn loop. I’m growing my own, and don’t want to hear bad things about it until I’m done eating it.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 8, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, corn syrup is the root of obesity

And if you just replace it with real sugar everything will be fine.
It’s the stupidest shit ever and people buy into it. I “it says high fructose, that must make it bad. I’ll go with this product made with cane sugar, thatmust be more healthy.”

by PackerHawk on Jul 8, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

but sugar beet sugar is actually good for you, right?

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think is that it is a root vegetable

because if the Irish have proven anything it is that root vegetables are brain food

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

but it keeps getting distracted

by booze and women

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

your Irish gene must be recessive

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually it's the opposite

But socialization and will power overcame the likely genetic disposition towards polysubstance intoxication

by PackerHawk on Jul 8, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

thank goodness for that

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and sugar isn't a drug at all.

Nope, not a stimulant. Not in the leas… why is the neighbor kid scaling the side of their house with a hand full of lollilpops?

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 8, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

It doesn’t matter what it’s derived from, excessive sugar intake is bad.

by PackerHawk on Jul 8, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Fresh corn is still our friend forever and ever.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 8, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus

everyone wants a cool baby and there is no better way for a baby to be cool than to light up in the middle of a Mommy and Me session

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

I want my kids to be Kool kids.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

or you could just not be such an absolutist about it

And say to not eat it often. Or to make the healthy choices if you do go there. I think you’re mostly joki (no, I no I don’). But this Spurlock Pollan-esque reaction is just annoying. He didn’t say to eat them all the time or to force feed your children big macs daily. It’s like any other fattening processed food, don’t eat it all the time and don’t kid yourself about what you’re eating.

by PackerHawk on Jul 8, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

It’s bad for you, and you shouldn’t make a habit of eating it or feeding it to your kids (I have made a habit of eating fast food).

But, some people are acting like McDonald’s are now terrorists. Let’s not go that far.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are a terrorist appeaser

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz

by Blackheartnopants on Jul 8, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I'm sorry, if McDo gave two shits about the health of their customers, I'd agree.

It is just like cigarettes, but I suppose there are those who say “just limit your cigarette smoking and don’t kid yourself.”

Fast food is not food. It’s something to put in your stomach to stop the grumbling until you get to something closer to real food.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 8, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok. You've sold me.

I’ll give all my business to KFC from now on.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Double down!

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz

by Blackheartnopants on Jul 8, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't had one in awhile.

Maybe I will consume one this weekend.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gawd

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

My favorite grease?

Everything hashbrowns: Hash, peppers, mushrooms, onions and cheese. And ham. Covered in buscuit gravy.

With a PBR.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz

by Blackheartnopants on Jul 8, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think I could try that,

without the mushrooms. Unless it’s fresh mushrooms.

And the ham would have to be cut into really small pieces, so as to cook well.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

How picky can a guy be who is willing to eat a double down?

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best thing about everything hashbrowns

Put whatever you want on them.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz

by Blackheartnopants on Jul 8, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

I’m ashamed that I didn’t have my hand over my heart while I read that the first time.

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by fastfred on Jul 8, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey...

I just learned how to make bold text.

#onthejobtraining

by fastfred on Jul 8, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can also highlight text and click on the "B" button in the reply panel, FYI.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jul 8, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure...

but that doesn’t make me feel like I’m some kind of awesome super-nerd hacker.

by fastfred on Jul 10, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah.

Well, don’t let me spoil your fun. Hack away, sir.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jul 11, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

My definition of a PBR is different from yours, I think.

"As for conducting an orchestra, that's a job where I don't think sex plays much part."

by hkobb7 on Jul 9, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 9, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry PH, I really wasn't aiming to offend.

And I usually don’t lay into folks for what they eat or any decisions they make (though I’ll mock them behind their backs)
but I’ve been reading the Nebraska stories’ comments, so I’ve got a hair-trigger today.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 8, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

No problem

You just found one of my berserk buttons. /hat tip to year2

by PackerHawk on Jul 8, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather die young and happy

then old and miserable. And forgoing McRibs would bring about the latter result

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jul 8, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

What if the choice were

old, healthy and happy or old and miserable?

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields

by rockyh on Jul 8, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not being able to enjoy a McRib would make me miserable

so really it’s no-win

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jul 8, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's really too bad. You really don't know what you're missing.

McRib’s aren’t actually good, you just think they are.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 8, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is this The Matrix?

Just because you think a certain food is good doesn’t mean it is? That doesn’t make much sense. I say if you have had a McRib and think it is good, then you can say that a McRib is good.

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by babaoreally on Jul 9, 2011 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just take the red pill and everything will be okay.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 9, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about old and surrounded by family?

Oh, wait. You said miserable. Nevermind.

/takemyfamilyplease joke is funny joke, ha ha

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 9, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

My friend worked at McD's in high school

Said the McRib meat comes looking like some kind of ground up mess that was pressed into a rib-shaped mold. All they do is throw it on the cooking surface to warm it up then drown it in the sauce & slap it on the bun. I’m no food purist but that description made me pretty happy I’d never eaten a McRib.

How weird that we had that conversation & then I saw this thread. Could it be McRib season?

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by HawkeyeGirleye on Jul 9, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Back when I used to partake

in the green substance, I bought a huge box of some McRib knockoff patties. It was then, and still is, the greatest day of my life.

That being said, I’ve never had the real deal, and most likely never will.

by fastfred on Jul 10, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

When I was younger my parents were active with Pork Producers,

when we would serve at State Fair and Old Threshers we would serve a McRib knock off w/ Cookies BBQ sauce. It was super fantastic. Sometimes my mom would buy some of the leftovers. Those were the days.

by Carfino'sWay on Jul 11, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would totally eat that

Has to be SO MUCH better than a McRib.

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by HawkeyeGirleye on Jul 11, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is only used against fat people

when it is described as the McRib wheeze Sandwich

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I once ate a McRib.

I never ever ate a second one.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields

by rockyh on Jul 8, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 8, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have also eaten exactly one McRib

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 8, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably is back full-time in certain markets.

But I don’t think you can get it at the McD’s in my town right now.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why don't they have the shamrock shake all year?

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't we just start a captive breeding program?

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Get Darby O'Gill on this immediately

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like pandas, leprechauns are reluctant to breed in captivity.

Or so I’m told. By the experts.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jul 8, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only answer then would seem to be leprechaun porn

let us get the experts at Rakes of Mallow to loan them some

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

or whatever the new Notre Dame site will be

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought all they needed were some "candids" of Knute Rockne to get off over there.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jul 8, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a lot of Leprechaun ji...

/vomits in trash can

"West Texas seems to be full of fake boobs providing a comfortable shade for well-developed pot bellies" - Lycurgus (06/24/2011)

by BStylin Hawkye on Jul 8, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

They would only use that

if they wanted the shake to taste like the ass-end of a rainbow

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

A post about racism

Turns into a discussion of leprauchan spunk. Awesome.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz

by Blackheartnopants on Jul 8, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

and Ross thought that his english background

precluded him from participating in a tangent

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

/ hums Battle Hymn of the Republic again /

by fastfred on Jul 10, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is one of the funniest tangents I've read on here - ever.

"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!

by The Bird Cult on Jul 12, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, you're the one whose brain leapt to leprechaun cum.

I was assuming McDonalds ground them into a fine little person puree.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jul 8, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you believe the sick minds on these people Ross?

I mean, all you were talking about was the equivalent of Soylent Green and they went and made this about sex! My god they are sick!

"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney

by ClaybornSmash on Jul 8, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Truly upsetting.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jul 8, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was my interpretation: blended Leprechauns.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mixed race leprechauns?

Uh-oh! New Barking Carnival satire!

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz

by Blackheartnopants on Jul 8, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do the black Irish enjoy fried chicken?

/sorry, I just read the posts about chicken aways up.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did I read about this plan in a Jonathan Swift book?

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Malthus was a fan

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dammit now I'm going to have to clean off my monitor

Fucking hilarious.

"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!

by The Bird Cult on Jul 12, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they go with a few seasonal shakes, in addition to the chocolate, strawberry, and vanilla?

I’ve seen that they sell an orange shake at times, and an egg-nog one near Christmas.

And, obviously, they have more dessert/beverage options now. I have yet to try that new raspberry lemonade thing.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the shamrock shake

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep. I usually get at least one sometime in February or March.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah but the Shamrock one is just mint syrup in a vanilla shake (despite urban myths about leprechauns)

Couldn’t they keep some mint on hand for the other ten months?

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 9, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

A) I, along with my family members love to eat ribs
B) The McRib shouldn’t exist
C) Not funny.

by mikjones24 on Jul 8, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, The Man is often to be blamed.

That’s just David Taylor.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 9, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth

I don’t read the original post the same way that Adam and Bomani do. Whatever its merits as a piece of satire, I just don’t see it as having anything to do with Lyle’s race. It’s a satire of who he is, and if he were a white hustler I suspect the piece would read pretty much the same. I read the McRib joke the same as WaterlooChazz, above. I can’t speak for the authors, but I thought it was a play on its seasonal availability, not a jab at black people and/or their tastes.

Was the original post a mistake to publish, given how easily it could be (and now has been) misinterpreted as being racist? Given how offended a number of people are, perhaps so. But I thought Scipio’s defense was valid and thoughtful, at the very least as an explanation of what was intended — what is intended.

It’s obviously regrettable that they’ve offended a number of people, but I’m not sure the outrage isn’t a bit misplaced. I think Scipio opened an opportunity for a meaningful dialogue on an important topic, and this post doesn’t really engage that dialogue. It simply concludes that those guys are racist, and obviously so. I don’t think that’s right.

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Jul 8, 2011 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

We mock what needs mocking. Is satire an absolute defense? No. It can cross the line. But very little art or writing that is good is created by toeing a PC line. And if it does cross the line, it should be evaluated in a larger context.

I think part of the problem is that is wasn’t particularly good art.

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

and I think that anyone who invokes artistic license

as a defense for being racially tone-deaf is kind of a jerk

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

This^^

A good artist considers his audience and provokes intentionally. A bad artist provokes in ways he does not presage or truly understand.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields

by rockyh on Jul 8, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Like when ignorant jerks make bad jokes about certain European ethnic groups

and their prospective occupations in Eastern Iowa

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Scipio thought this was good art, either

His point was that they mock regularly, and in that larger context the charge doesn’t stand up. Or, in the event a line was crossed, that should be discussed in a meaningful way, rather than just charging them all with being patently racist.

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Jul 8, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure,

whether the conception or the execution (or both) was what was flawed here, it certainly doesn’t mean that the people behind it are racists.

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Personal revelation

Norwegians are not my favorite

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love the Irish

they are harder on themselves than I could ever be

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm harder on me, you, than your mom

Sex joke fail

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz

by Blackheartnopants on Jul 8, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

That may explain our last run-in

I married a half-breed Norseman

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Jul 9, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

My Danish ancestry is still pissed about Harald Hardrada

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 10, 2011 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is why you should have love for me

As I, too, am of the Danish ancestry.

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Jul 10, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Danes have to stick together

Now, let us go get a boat an pick on some Irishmen

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 10, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lead on, my partner in crime

/links arms
//hijacks Irishman’s boat
///drowns due to massive leak in said boat

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Jul 10, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yet the Irishman would survive

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz

by Blackheartnopants on Jul 10, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damned resiliant Irishman

Is it all the alcohol thinning the blood that makes them float? Pretty sure it kills the virulent germs, too.

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Jul 10, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pre-Famine

The average Irishman ate between 8 and 10 pounds of potatoes a day. Any chemist can tell you all that starch makes us a non-water-soluble people.

"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"

by IPeeBlackAndGold on Jul 11, 2011 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lead on

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 10, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

You Danes are still upset about your colonization of only the left-overs


Link to large pic (you kind of need it)

Look at those prize pieces of land!

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 10, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't be jealous of our democracy

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 10, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Greenland may be covered with ice,

but Iceland is very nice.

Or so I’ve been told.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 10, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is there really a rivalry between the Danish and Dutch Van Houtens, or was that just a Simpsons plot?

(That episode also had one of my favorite fake names ever, Gaylord Q. Tinkledink.)

"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"

by IPeeBlackAndGold on Jul 11, 2011 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, everyone is killing everyone else

/Pryor’d

"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney

by ClaybornSmash on Jul 8, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, but the "a vulnerable player who grew up with no male role model" line is

well, it isn’t out-and-out racist, but the idea is there. It’s just a really weak shot.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 8, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a poor piece of satire

And clearly a poor choice of vehicle through which to make a joke – no one is disputing that. But Scipio’s response to that piece of satire was a meaningful and thoughtful contribution to the dialogue. While I can understand Adam’s distaste with the original piece, I’m having trouble following the outrage subsequent to Scipio’s post, and the gratuitous shot at Texans is especially unhelpful.

The ironic thing is that the guy who wrote the original piece had no clue that the offending jokes were going to be associated with race. He’s a naive guy, but not even remotely racist. Lesson learned, but the outrage is misplaced.

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Jul 8, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

And with that I'll hang up

I can’t speak for those guys, but wanted to share my own perspective on it as a contrast to Adam’s.

Cheers,
PB

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Jul 8, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

DON'T TELL ME WHERE TO PUT MY OUTRA...

actually, I’m not that upset, but this guy took the time to think of all of this, write it down, proofread it (I’m assuming) and then post it, and at no point during that process did he think, “hmmm, maybe I could try another angle, maybe with less race based humor and more funny humor.”
That says a lot.
Mel Gibson also had a nice “meaningful discussion” after the (supposedly) ignorant things he said. And I think Joakim Noah did too. And Cee-Lo Green apologized to gay people after his offending remarks. Hell, Kobe even bought his wife a ring after he “acted without thinking.”
I guess I just don’t put much stock into well thought out apologies that follow not-at-all thought out words/actions.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 9, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see it as an opportunity for a meaningful debate at all, or at best a missed opportunity to ignite that debate

They ignore the racist connotations of anything but the “street agent” label. While Bomani’s clip does the same, i think that ignoring the racist caricatures of Lyles in the satirical post shows that they don’t understand that the debate extends beyond a single phrase.

by PackerHawk on Jul 8, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or, they are purposefully ignoring them

in order to not have to defend them.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jul 8, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

With all due respect, Peter...

…we got ourselves into this mess when some privileged Texas white boys started deciding what constitutes an offensive way to portray a black guy, so your efforts here are pretty much redundant.

To your later point, I didn’t call anyone a racist. I called the post racist. It was. I don’t think anyone involved in the post has hate in his heart or whatever, and frankly it doesn’t matter either way. They wrote a post that a lot of people found needlessly offensive, and not at all in the spirit of good satire. And let’s please stop pretending Scipio’s letter about it was in any way intended to open up a genuine discussion about race. It was to call Bomani a race-baiter first and to cherry-pick points to disagree with him second.

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Jul 8, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

With all due respect, Adam...

I’m sorry, but it’s not simple and cut-and-dry just because you say so.

First, the snide Texas privileged white boy comment, aside from being a(nother) gratuitous ad hominem, demonstrates on its face that you’re missing the point. Or, more specifically, Scipio’s point. So a privileged Iowa white boy gets to decide what constitutes an offensive way to portray a black guy? Or only Bomani Jones? Only black people? Who, exactly? And is it so wrong to have a dialogue about it? Or to argue that Bomani Jones is off the mark in his characterization? Is doing so automatically just reductive to wanting to call him a race-baiter? Accountability matters, and no one is denying that. You need to understand and accept that and then rethink whether your assertions are really fair.

Moreover, a post cannot be racist, no more than a building or a carrot can be. People are racist. Scipio defended his turf because Jones, and now you, called them racist. I’m sorry, but you can’t have it both ways.

Really, what makes your reaction misguided, in my opinion, is that you didn’t bother to engage Scipio’s thoughtful (if nuanced – perhaps you missed them) points about racism and talking about racism. You just yelled “racist” at the dudes, in a manner that belied any real thought about what was really wrong with the original post, and what Scipio was saying in his follow up.

You’re smarter than that, and this conversation deserves better than that.

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Jul 8, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jesus Christ

Yes, Peter and Scipio, you’re the victims here, always and forever. And Scipio’s article was always about “having a discussion” and not “fuck Bomani Jones for he has called all of us racists.” You’re right.

Christ on a cracker, Peter, I thought you were better than this. But since you’re steadfastly refusing that, here’s a primer on “you just did a racist thing” vs. “you are racist”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Ti-gkJiXc

Got it? I don’t think Recruitocosm or Scipio or basically anybody without a kkk.org email address is himself (or herself but let’s be honest here it’s the guys) racist. I don’t think what Scipio wrote was racist (though it was clearly in support of Recruitocosm first and foremost). But you don’t need a kkk.org email address to do some racist shit every once in a while. And if that’s past your understanding of race relations, then please, stop trying to lecture me or anybody else on “nuance.”

And please, PLEASE don’t tell me that an article that can’t find one thing wrong with what Recruitocosm wrote is starting an honest dialogue on race.

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Jul 9, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Victim?

No one’s crying victim here. I’m crying foul on your conclusions.

And yes, saying, “Fuck Bomani Jones for calling us racists, and here’s why,” can be done in a thoughtful way that advances the conversation.

Screaming, “Racist and these guys are forever off my RSS feed!” however, does not. Now, we’re starting to get somewhere in your comments, so that’s good, but your original post isn’t helpful at all, in my opinion. And your holier-than-thou attitude is rather off-putting and, yes, I think misses part of the point. Because sometimes, screaming “racist” at someone doesn’t advance the worthy agenda of ending racism. You keep insisting that Scipio didn’t offer a valid position, and thus refuse to engage him on it in a meaningful way. That’s fine; that’s your choice. I decline to agree with you, and decline to adopt your bright-line reading of this situation.

We’ll agree to disagree and move on.

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Jul 9, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pete, as a regular reader of these guys' writing, I'll just tell you you're off base a little.

You seem to have a dog in this fight, and I can understand defending a friend, but if you look at the OP up above, you’ll find the word “racist” exactly one time. It’s the last word.

Before that word was written there is a paragraph laying out the offensive parts of the original piece (the reasons why it can be called “racist”). And then there’s a paragraph basically saying “I’m ashamed to be associated through SBN with this kind of crappy, unfunny writing.” I’d be ashamed too, because it lowers the bar for what people expect from all SBN writers.

If this was solely about calling the BC people racists, it would have been done much earlier than it was. It came across to me as more subtext than anything else. But that’s me.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 9, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, I looked again and it's twice

my point stands. It’s still a takedown of a stupid article that’s associated with this site through SBNation.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 9, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn, I can't count.

Whatever, think what you like. I’m gonna go hit the hard stuff early.
Fuck this day.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 9, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get that

And look, Adam and I are pals. We go back quite a ways. I think he went too far with this post. He thinks not.

We’ll talk it out and move on. It’s all good, and I’m glad we’re debating it. That’s worthwhile

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Jul 9, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’ve said what I need to say and you’re not really listening, so we’re about done here.

Ceci n'est pas un blogue.

by Adam Jacobi on Jul 9, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll talk off the blogs sometime

I’m positive we’ve got a lot more common ground on this than not, but this is pretty inefficient.

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Jul 9, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

After looking into Lyles more

I can’t agree with the notion that he is a charming harmless “advisor” “reasonable person”. I mean, he admittingly was steering recruits to places that were paying him. He is obviously in the game of pay for play and he knows it. Texas probably would have got Seastrunk if it wasn’t for him so I would be pissed too. The article seemed racist though, and anytime you step into that gray area, whether you mean it or not, bad things happen.

"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug

by Nature Boy on Jul 8, 2011 2:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep.

I don’t think Lyles is innocent.

The “satire” was racist. I just didn’t think the McRib thing was offensively racist. The later parts were.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose it depends on the audience

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

There are plenty of comedians who would say so.

I’d argue that Dave Chapelle made a nice chunk of change on being non-offensively-racist at times.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess we can get into semantics here

but I suppose there is difference between racial remarks and racist remarks. I think actual racism suggests an intent to demean or diminish based on racial characteristics.

"but he is a worthless man, otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper" -Antisthenes

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe so.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

And having your black guy character talk like an idiot is so unnecessary.

One of the funniest things Chapelle did was the way he had his Lil Jon character talk.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 8, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno about this

They’re racist jokes, not just racial. If Chapelle wasn’t black he couldn’t make the same jokes, no matter how good they were. I’m picturing Michael Scott doing his Chris Rock routine right now.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 8, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zach Galifianakis does some pretty funny racial jokes

but the point of the jokes is to ultimately make fun of racists.

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 8, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, if Dave was a pigmentally challenged

the black-white-supremacist skit would not have worked at all.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 9, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

He also retired/melted down

Because he thought his show was too racist.

So there’s that…

by mikjones24 on Jul 8, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is that code for pot?

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz

by Blackheartnopants on Jul 8, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love how definitive you sound sometimes.

This is the way it is. It’s not my opinion, it’s fact!

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 8, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

The “yep” part is just a shorter way for saying “I agree with you.” I wrote “I think” before the parts that were debatable. The other parts are probably fact or extremely close to it.

And perhaps I’ve been influenced by the originator of “And that’s the way it is.”

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's not like he ever told obnoxious, boderline treasonous lies on the air before

oh wait….

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
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by ckmneon on Jul 9, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you.

By God, Creighton Abrams damn near won that war even though no one in the U.S. (Including Nixon) cared.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 9, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

A few years ago ...

American Express was one of the corporate sponsors of Saigon’s Ho Chi Minh Day Parade.

So I’m still scoring it a delayed victory.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz

by Blackheartnopants on Jul 9, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

And,

there would be no Rambo II, Uncommon Valor, Coming Home, The Deer Hunter, or about two hundred other films without the American “delayed victory.”

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 9, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I wrote "sometimes". he who lives inglass houses.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 9, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

To me the only thing worse than racism

is sexism
and there is no place in my world for either of them
in an unrelated note
a budy of mine asked me if i wanted to contribute in the Jim Tressel defense fund
I honestly dont know if he was joking
but it is intersting he no long is paying the 250k “fine” gordy said he would pay
and is getting 52k to retire

Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER

by OhioHawk on Jul 8, 2011 4:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, that is truly surprising

I mean, who ever would have thought that he would just get paid a pittance to leave retire? Next you’ll tell me that Pryor will be a millionaire shortly after the supplemental draft (if there is one) and that he’ll be laughing all the way to the bank like Cam Newton.

by PackerHawk on Jul 9, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Keep your horrific, unthinkable, nightmare-scape of an imaginary future to yourself.

/cries in the corner because everything you said will be true.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 9, 2011 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not racist.

Just hillarious.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 9, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

So true

And was it BC that had the epic photoshop thread on this topic?
I still crack up at just the thought of Colt and the British Girl running from that bear. I think it was a bear, oh well still funny.

by PackerHawk on Jul 11, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

That, my friend, was Shaggy Bevo

"West Texas seems to be full of fake boobs providing a comfortable shade for well-developed pot bellies" - Lycurgus (06/24/2011)

by BStylin Hawkye on Jul 11, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you

I didn’t think it was BC, but it was still epic.

by PackerHawk on Jul 11, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh so LOHLable.

"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."

by SomeJerkPoster on Jul 9, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am wholly disinterested in this entire thing.

But I will say this. Hyper-sensitivity to racism is just as bad as racism itself, firstly. And, secondly, this all happened in the blogosphere, which makes it reality fringe.

"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State

by Hawkaloogie on Jul 9, 2011 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

"Hyper-sensitivity to racism is just as bad as racism itself"

Uh, no not even close. And this isn’t an example of that anyway.

by NorseHawk on Jul 9, 2011 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Allow me to rephrase Loogie's statement

The problem today is that some people take themselves waaaaayyyyyyy to seriously. I’m Irish. Go ahead and make a joke about drunken Irish. See what I care. But, god help you if you make a fried chicken joke.

It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.

by FiveSecondRuleChef on Jul 10, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

so as long as one black person doesn't mind a racist joke,it's okay to tel it to everyone.

glad we got that cleared up.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 10, 2011 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not what I meant.

But I can see how you and Norse may have interpreted it this way. Let me remove your words from my mouth and say…

Racism wouldn’t be so difficult to overcome if people didn’t take themselves so seriously.

It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.

by FiveSecondRuleChef on Jul 11, 2011 4:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

there it is

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 11, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Racism is easier to overcome and has been overcome moreso in towns and cities

Where you don’t have an Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson stirring the pot needlessly.

Without these types running around looking for cameras it becomes more of a live-and-let-live scenario.

It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.

by FiveSecondRuleChef on Jul 11, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

No one should shy away from calling out racism where they see it

But to your point, it is decidedly not helpful to call racism where there really isn’t any.

Contrary to what Adam writes, Will Lyles is a first-rate clown who changes his story every 30 seconds, depending on who he’s talking to. That’s what the Recruitocosm post was mocking, but it did so in a way that invited misinterpretation from those who don’t know Lyles very well. So the post fails as a piece of satire, but it’s simply not racist,, and Bomani Jones — who should know better — gets it wrong. And Adam gets it wrong for jumping in to take Lyles’ and Jones’ side, too.

Jason Whitlock jumped in like Adam did, taking Lyles’ side, only to quickly discover that — whoops — Lyles is every bit the clown that his detractors claim he is, and quickly backpedaled. Maybe Adam will too when he realizes who Lyles really is. He is a far, far cry from the “reasonable” guy that Adam appears to believe he is. That’s understandable, perhaps, if you don’t know much more than what you heard in one interview. But it doesn’t make it any less wrong.

You ain't hurt...

by Peter Bean on Jul 11, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're calm and reasonable about this, but I still think you're wrong.

Some of the commenters on this blog are old enough to be alive when Jim Crow was still felt and we were in the middle of a war where millions of jews (and mentally challenged, homosexuals, gypsies, etc) were put to death by the programs of a first-world, very advanced government/society. To ask everyone to just “get over themselves” about this is a little off, in my opinion.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 11, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I kind of want to agree with you,

but some would argue that humor helps heal from atrocities like that, too.

It is absolutely a good idea to avoid slurs, harsh stereotypes, and discrimination. But it is also a good idea to avoid being a completly humorless debbie downer, as well. There is a balance that can be struck, I’m not completely sure where that tipping point is.

Satire is a proud tradition that is older than American slavery or Nazism. While I don’t really care for the Barking Carnival post, absurdist satire is a big reason why people enjoy BHGP so much.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 11, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think my point may have been missed...

and it’s probably my fault for not being more clear. The reason I say that hyper-sensitivity to racism is just as bad as racism itself is because it makes light of actual racist statements, actions etc. You run the risk of it all becoming white noise, in the end, and is not fair to the victim.

"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State

by Hawkaloogie on Jul 11, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm fairly convinced that if you view the HawEye Yellow video

10 times in a one hour period you will be cured of any and all racist viewpoints, and be a better dancer.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Jul 10, 2011 8:33 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I was watching Yankee Doodle Dandy.

Cagney can’t compare to said video.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 10, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

whooohooooo!

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 10, 2011 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

This weekend my daughter

posted a pretty racist line from a movie on her facebook. I talked with her about it, got her side of it. She stated that the line was from a comedy that she and her friends had watched at a party. This particular line was about Jewish people. When I questioned her further why she thought it was ok to post something like that on Facebook, she mentioned that one of her friends, who is Jewish, jokes about being Jewish all the time with my daughter. I had to point out that just because your friend jokes with you about racial issues in private, doesn’t make it right to post something about a race in public, where people, who are not priviledged to inside and private jokes, will interpret what is posted on Facebook as you, I was speaking to my daughter, being racist. I know I had to learn that lesson several years back myself. Jokes can be fine within an intimate setting between you and your friend. But broadcast to the general public, especially when they don’t know you or the situation, is very wrong. The only way to defeat racism, is to talk about the issues and teach our children to think about the message they are sending to the audience that could hear it.

Formerly known as SpoWAHawk
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel

by IAHawkfan4life on Jul 11, 2011 8:10 AM CDT reply actions  

A great book on this topic is

http://www.amazon.com/White-Essays-Culture-Richard-Dyer/dp/0415095379

Easily the most interesting read on the topic I’ve come across. That the author is from abroad makes it even more compelling (he looks at the issue more globally, making it particularly relevant to these times). While most authors are examining the ‘other’ he is holding up white people and the notion of whiteness to the light and asking the important questions. When you study race in terms of the imagery of whiteness you get more answers, IMO.
Just a brilliant book.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Jul 11, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I will get the book and let you know what I think of it.

Thanks again.

Formerly known as SpoWAHawk
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel

by IAHawkfan4life on Jul 11, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

CHANGE YOUR NAME ALREADY

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 11, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I could not disagree with this statement more

CHANGE THE NAME

He sired a baseball team... An orchestra, if you count the bastards!

by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jul 11, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was more in reference to NotNeuticles wondering when I would reveal what vanity plate I chose

Since I still haven’t made up my mind…

But let IAHF4L take his time. It’s the interwebs and this shit will be with him forever.

by PackerHawk on Jul 11, 2011 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I resent your butchering of my name, WisconsinTeamFan

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 11, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, it's honestly what runs through my head quite often when I see your SN

But the vanity plate (self-important and irrelevant) reveal will happen later this month. I know everybody is DYING to find out.

by PackerHawk on Jul 11, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am genuinely interested. Sad, right?

And I was obviously joking about your changing my name. But you’re still dirty for being a Packers fan.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 12, 2011 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am a Packers fan

Maybe I should change my name to Dirty Packers Fan

Formerly known as SpoWAHawk
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel

by IAHawkfan4life on Jul 13, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

A joke about Jewish people isn't racist...

it’s more along the lines of religious bigotry. But, hey, way to squash it nonetheless!!

"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State

by Hawkaloogie on Jul 11, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is a fascinatingly debatable topic. So you say Jews are not a race, eh?

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 12, 2011 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly what I was thinking.

The Jewish people do fall into a unique category. They have been persecuted for their faith, but I still think the children of Isreal are also a race.

Either way, it was wrong what my daughter did. I hope she genuinely has a change of heart and thinks before she types or speaks about any group of people.

Formerly known as SpoWAHawk
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel

by IAHawkfan4life on Jul 13, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling that when everyone is done playing modern day Voltaire

and realizes that Voltaire took the time to actually study the history and context of both sides of the injustices before composing his treatise, then you’ll all feel a little more tolerant towards BC and Recruitocosm. I feel equally confident that once you’ve realized that Will Lyles is, indeed, a piece of crap and it has nothing to do with his skin color and everything to do with his pattern of behavior which you’ll no doubt find out more about when you’re done casting stones in the wrong direction, you’ll probably realize that you gave him a bit too much credit for his statements. Of course he sounds like a reasonable guy NOW! He’s in damage control mode and on his best behavior because he has been called out for his dirty doings!

Yes, he is playing the victim card. No single race has a monopoly on that. It’s just easier to do when you can play the race card next.

(Yes, I’m from the south- Texas to be exact. No, I don’t condone racism. It’s one of the few things that irks me more than self-righteousness.)

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 11, 2011 8:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Nobody knows self-righteous like Texans. That and gleeful ignorance of one's own unimportance.

When BC and Recruitocosm become funny and insightful then i will consider tolerance

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 11, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup, you've gotten to know me so well from one post and the fact that you now know that I'm from Texas.

A summary judgement based on a single internet based exchange, and yet I am the gleefully ignorant one. Got it.

I’m willing to bet that you’ve never spent more than a day or two in Texas, if even that. Keep riding your high horse. I’ll be the one laughing my ass off when it bucks you off.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 11, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

He lives in Texas

Maybe you shouldn’t make such snap judgments about the basis of other people’s judgments.

by PackerHawk on Jul 11, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Maybe you shouldn't make such snap judgments about the basis of other people's judgments."

Okay, first of all “I’m willing to bet” implies that I know I could very well be wrong. Second, that statement was so saturated in irony in the context of this post and thread that it must have been a joke.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 11, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly, yes

My tongue was firmly planted in my cheek there. I forgot to turn on the sarcasm font. But I’m glad you saw the irony in it. Guess I may have to revise my smug northern opinion of the Texas intellect

by PackerHawk on Jul 12, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, it seems you and I are getting somewhere.

Perhaps I should bid you all adieu while we’re making progress. I’m not sure I’ll get anywhere with Lycurgus.

As an olive branch, I have read several posts on this site that I’ve enjoyed quite a bit, as well as the comments.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

One more thing,

the herd mentality here is so strong, I can’t help but wonder if you all are actually descended from sheep.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 11, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sheep go to heaven, goats Longhorns go to hell

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 12, 2011 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

My comment was a bit more hostile than I'd like,

but once this whole thing has fizzled out a bit, I’m guessing a lot of folks will look back on this with a little bit more introspection.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very few people around here thought the Barking Carnival thing was funny.

A few of us thought it wasn’t quite as racist as it seemed to others.

To say there is no racism in it is probably not being honest.

As for the “everybody start judging everyone else based on whether they are from Texas or the American south”, I thought that was probably needless. Except that, if you are a UT fan, you probably liked the Barking Carnival thing (and probably dislike Willie Lyles) more than people who aren’t from UT.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 12, 2011 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I won't deny an inherent bias.

You’ve got me on that. However, I don’t dislike Willie Lyles because of any perceived damage that he’s done to my alma mater. I dislike him because he has displayed an utter lack of integrity and will not accept genuine responsibility for his misdeeds.

As for whether there is racism in the post by Jesus Shuttlesworth, I cannot say. I don’t know JS personally, whoever he is. For all I know, he may even be black or a woman. I do know that I would not feel comfortable calling him racist, and I agree with PB that you cannot simply call the post racist and deny the implication that the author of the post is racist.

I do enjoy most anything ScipioTex writes, and I don’t think any reasonable person not enthralled in mass hysteria can ligitimately call it racist. The fact is, if the same words had been produced by an author on this site, I would have found it quite insightful, though, perhaps, a bit less enjoyable (to concede your point regarding inherent bias).

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

One thing I think you're assuming is that everyone here agrees with AJ

I don’t think that the original post was intentionally racist but merely took the easy way out and fell back on using tired cliches that fell flat for me personally. It seems to me that AJ was more upset about the defending of a post that could very easily be taken as having racist undertones. I can completely understand that.

I chose not to comment because I do believe that even though the post may not have been intended as being racist, it could be taken that way and I really did not have anything to contribute to the conversation until I get called a “sheep” for reading a blog that I find entertaining and thought-provoking on many occasions. You obviously have not read the comments on here on a number of different issues where we have had very “spirited conversations”. To say that we blindly follow is, frankly, asinine unless you have been reading all of the comments on this site for a large amount of time.

"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney

by ClaybornSmash on Jul 12, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

This is the much better articulated, more reasonable version of my thoughts. Minus all of the Texas hate, which I maintain is well-founded.

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 12, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are right about my sheep comments,

which is why I backed off of that after I simmered down a bit. I apologize for the sheep comment. I don’t assume that everyone agrees, I was speaking more to the percieved majority opinion.

I wouldn’t disagree with anyone of the opinion that the recruitocosm piece could’ve been improved and perhaps pushed the envelope a bit. However, I’ll stand by my opinion that it’s unfair to describe it as “jarringly racist” and potentially damaging to the reputation of JS and Recruitocosm and risks attaching an erroneous stigma to their overall body of work based on one ill-advised post.

I’ll extend to you the same olive branch I extended to Packer Hawk. I have read several posts on this site that I’ve enjoyed quite a bit, as well as the commentary. You are all obviously witty and intelligent people. I haven’t formed any negative opinions of the character of anyone here- just the content of this isolated post and commentary.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh please.

You came over to stir up shit. Why else would you post on an almost dead thread and start calling people self-righteous and crying about unfair treatment of your fellow Texans?

Not one fan of a school other than UT has complained about this thread. Not one. We seem to have contracted the herd mentality from the horn fans who have traveled over to criticize an opinion piece. Go back home and revel in your perceived superiority.

Yes, I live in Texas and it is a damn intellectual wasteland. Riding a high horse can’t be so hard when so many of the slack-jawed yocals around here can figure it out.

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 12, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

You came over to stir up shit. Why else would you post on an almost dead thread and start calling people self-righteous and crying about unfair treatment of your fellow Texans?

I don’t have a habit of stirring shit up. I respect ScipioTex and enjoy his writing. My motives in throwing my hat in the ring were not for the objective of stirring shit up, they were to attempt to stimulate some introspection and possibly persuade a backing off a tad of what I percieve to be an over-reaction that could be unfairly damaging to a persons reputation. Yes, I enjoy a good debate, but that there was more to my intent here than “stirring shit up.” I could equally accuse the author of this post and everyone agreeing with it of attempting to stir shit up.

Not one fan of a school other than UT has complained about this thread. Not one. We seem to have contracted the herd mentality from the horn fans who have traveled over to criticize an opinion piece. Go back home and revel in your perceived superiority.

Two issues with this:
1. You are taking absence of evidence as evidence of absence in the first three sentences..
2. As to the third sentence, I have never made any claims of superiority. If you asked anyone who really knows me, they would tell you that I although I am a confident person, I am quite humble. I merely stated my opinion that post and subsequent thread were misguided.

Yes, I live in Texas and it is a damn intellectual wasteland. Riding a high horse can’t be so hard when so many of the slack-jawed yocals around here can figure it out.

Not much to do with that. It just damages your incredibility as a reasonable person.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dammit. *Damages your credibility as a reasonable person.

I don’t know what went wrong with the blockquote.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't much care for my credibility as a reasonable blog personality.

I certainly would not pull a muscle trying to defend a ham-handed attempt at humor by spouting off all over the internet. What is wrong with these guys saying “hey, maybe it went over the line and I am sorry about that”? Instead, you guys are all willing to go down with the ship insisting that writing irresponsibly doesn’t make you an irresponsible person. Well, sure it doesn’t. That doesn’t mean that the writing is absolved.

You seem willing to connect my post to my personality and my motives and yet, you are saying that we shouldn’t do the same to the writer of the original article. I am not sure what you hope to accomplish here other than letting all us know how poorly you think we have acted. Maybe you should use some of that energy and direct it toward those you defend and tell them to up their game.

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 12, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

"You seem willing to connect my post to my personality and my motives"
Nobody knows self-righteous like Texans. That and gleeful ignorance of one’s own unimportance. When BC and Recruitocosm become funny and insightful then i will consider tolerance

Are you shocked that this drew my ire. Premature summary judgements tend to inflame people. I’d say I’ve been pretty conciliatory toward you, considering how you initiated the dailogue with me.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's satire

it has no connection to me as the author at all

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 12, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

This sounds like backpedalling, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not backpedaling, just less cranky

Don’t throw self-righteous at me and I won’t throw hillbilly at you.

Anyway, your friend Voltaire would remind me that as we are in the best of all possible worlds I should be grateful for the existence of Texas as place created for the sole purpose of providing the world with burnt orange athletic wear and calculators

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 12, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

You got a deal.

I think I may have over-reacted to what I saw as an over-reaction. Part of why I conceded that I am a hypocrite.

Go Hawkeyes.

P.S. Sorry about the overcommercialization of the Texas brand. It bugs me as much as it bugs you.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

No problem

Lubbock at 110 is just not my idea of a good time and I let it out there a bit

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 12, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

My wife went to med school in Lubbock.

I hated it. She couldn’t understand why.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because it is the place that the Devil rents out

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 12, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes.

Sheridan forever.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 12, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome to Lubbock, TX: Hell's outhouse.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The door got blown off by a dust storm

but don’t worry, there are plenty of Chile’s franchises to keep you busy and the mall is full of a thousand round 13 year olds wheezing up and down the escalators.

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 12, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rambler

you can come and visit and I will show you the Will Rogers statute and the Buddy Holly museum. After that 2 hours is up you might as well hop back on your plane.

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 12, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is just town devoid of any character

and everyone wants to tell about their personal relationship with god

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 13, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

From my observations of George W. Bush,

who has spent much of his life in the Midland-Odessa area, and my own experiences with my relatives that live in El Paso, I’m guessing that the “talking about my personal relationship with God” thing may be a West Texas phenomenon, not simply a Lubbock situation.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 13, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that is true

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 13, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just because Lyles may be a piece of shit as a person

doesn’t mean that the alleged piece of “satire” wasn’t comically unfunny and racist for the sake of being racist (and playing for the easy joke, that still managed to miss).

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jul 12, 2011 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, I'll spot you the definition.
rac·ism   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Now show me a single statement explicit or implicit that demonstrates a belief that white people are superior to black people.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I mean from the BC post or the recruitocosm post.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

You think that making jokes that are meant to demean a person based on his/her race

isn’t racist. Do you think there are better ways of exposing and ridiculing a clown than by lampooning the man’s race?

I wasn’t really that offended by anything in either article, but they don’t really constitute good humor or writing. Mr. Lyles is probably as big of a jerk as you all believe and if so, there are probably many other ways to make fun of the guy than by inventing scenes with jive talk and gold teeth.

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 12, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

see my reply below.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

How can you be so adamantly against demeaning a person based on their race, as you should be,

but turn around and be so judgemental toward people based on the state in which they were born?

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh, I'm a hypocrite.

Always have been. Take from that what you will.

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 12, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

As am I.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

My point was that both are unfair judgements of a person based on something that wasn't under their control.

In no way did I mean to imply that they have equal import emotionally, sociologically, or historically.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I absolutely do not think it is okay to demean someone based on their race.

My point all along has been that the piece by Jesus was meant to demean Lyles based solely on his demonstrated character. I think the distinction must be made between a couple of references toward a certain culture in a piece meant to satirize the behavior of a man not to satirize his race, and out and out racism. Yes, there were some references to a culture to which the author believed Will Lyles to identify with, and those references were done in the context of a satirical piece, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the basis of the satire was Lyles’ race. The basis of the satire as his actions. Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another based on differences perceived between the two races. Everyone perceives races to have differences other than physical attributes, and that is a result of culture being closely tied to race. However, unless someone asserts superiorty of one race over another based on these differences, racism should not be alleged.

To conclude, I believe that throwing out the term racism haphazardly is irresponsible and does nothing to further progress in race relations. The sign of when we’ve gotten to where we need to be as a society will be when we stop discussing race. This post and thread does nothing to that end and I most certainly do not condone demeaning a person based on their race or culture.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Again, there is nothing wrong with attempting to demean someone because of perceived character flaws

Hell, Lyles may even deserve. But when you do so using tired, shopworn racial stereotypes and memes, you probably shouldn’t act shocked, JUST SHOCKED, that some people call it racist.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jul 12, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hell, maybe I'm naive about racial stereotypes.

I’ve never associated a McRib sandwich with any particular race or culture. I thought people of all races like the McRib and get irrationally angry about the fact that it comes and goes as if it’s an injustice. I sure as hell have heard that from some of my white friends.

I must have missed the gold teeth thing. I’ll admit that’s pushing it, but I will wouldn’t call it jarringly racist.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 12, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was generally bored out of my mind in my genetics courses,

But one interesting thing I learned particularly stuck with me and it may be mentioned in the article. It was discovered through The Human Genome Project that the phenotypic differences between people that we use to define race are encoded by such a tiny portion of the human genome that it’s very common to discover that there is more genetic difference between two white people than between one of those white people and say an asian person.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 13, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

We learned that in sociology too...

But when there are racial/ethnic differences in medicine I think we shouldn’t be afraid to acknowledge the differences where they exist because we’re letting a fear of racism prevent useful scientific knowledge. Although I’m fairly certain that was the topic of one of the articles, but I don’t know their conclusions since I no longer have access to the UI library subscriptions online.

by PackerHawk on Jul 13, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree that it would be silly to ignore those differences if they are clinically relevant.

I just took it as further evidence that racism is ignorance, as if more was needed.

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 13, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am with this as long as we can still ostracize Norwegians

those people have a very shallow gene pool as evidenced by the preponderance of expressed recessive alleles.

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 13, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I imagine you could go a long time ostracizing Norwegians before anyone would be offended and call you out on it.

Not that I, uh, condone such behavior…

"The only sport that should be cried over is tee ball."
- don't remember who said it, but I like it.

by HookTech on Jul 13, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don't spend much time in NE Iowa or Minnesota do you.

They are thick as flies up there, concocting their final solution to the herring question. Jellied fish is not my culture and heritage

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 13, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

And here I thought your name was Sven

Besides Keillor does a pretty good job getting them to laugh at themselves.

by PackerHawk on Jul 13, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am Danish, Swedish, and German

I am always wary of Norwegians.

"To bottomless perdition, there to dwell, in adamantine chains and penal fire" -Milton

by Lycurgus on Jul 13, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

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