I See Red People: Or, How I Learned To Hate Nebraska
I'm a firm believer that core sports opinions are formed between the ages of, roughly, 10 and 20. Younger than that and it's too difficult to have opinions that are genuinely your own -- you're too easily influenced by fathers, brothers, grandfathers, and uncles (substitute for "mothers, sisters, grandmothers, and aunts" as apporpriate; I didn't have any sisters growing up and my mother, grandmothers, and aunts couldn't have cared less about sports, but I grant that isn't the case in every family) and, frankly, you're probably not yet fully obsessed with sports -- your attention is also divided between cool toys, cartoons, and video games. (Again, there are exceptions: my six-year old nephew seems to know more about the Indianapolis Colts than I do.) Older than that and it's too hard to develop truly genuine opinions -- it's too easy to be swayed by the flavor-of-the-month team. (Another notable exception: sports where you really pay attention to until you were older than 20 like, say, soccer.)
For me, that age range was when I first became smitten with Iowa -- when I first identified them as something cool and something worth following (as well as something distinct from the Pittsburgh Steelers). That early love turned into a life-long love affair after attending Iowa and spending almost a decade in Iowa City (time which was not all spent in the pursuit of one degree... not that there's anything wrong with that). That age range was also when I first learned to hate a team. My first hate was not Iowa State -- it was hard to hate the Cyclones because my parents were both ISU alums and because, frankly, Iowa State never beat Iowa. Until the late '90s, I just assumed the natural order was for Iowa State to play Iowa every year -- and lose (badly).
No, my first hate* was Nebraska. Growing up in northwest Iowa, it was an easy hate to develop. In those days, there were really only two choices: you could be an Iowa fan or you could be a Nebraska fan. (Outside of my parents, I knew a few masochistic Iowa State fans, but they were a definite minority.) It would have been a very easy time to be a Nebraska fan -- they were just beginning their run of three titles in four years -- but it was also easy to not become a Nebraska fan. Their fans were (too often) arrogant, preening assholes** and their program was, in many ways, loathsome***. They combined many of the worst aspects of rednecks and blue blood royalty, taking two often-terrible things and creating something even worse.
* To clarify, when I say that I "hate" Nebraska, it's pure sports hate. I don't wish real harm on Nebraska fans individually (I don't want to see them get hit by speeding cars) or collectively (nor do I want Lincoln to get wiped off the map by an asteroid). I just want Nebraska sports teams (specifically, football) to lose, preferably in emotionally painful ways.
** To be fair, this does not describe every single Nebraska fan on the planet. I grew up next to neighbors who were Nebraska fans (and perfectly nice people) and I have met some pleasant, well-adjusted, genial, and funny Nebraska fans since then, both in real life and on these here interwebs. It does, however, describe an awful lot of them.
*** See: Lawrence Phillips. Despite dragging his girlfriend down a flight of stairs, Phillips missed only five games and had regained his starting job by the time the national title-deciding tilt with Florida rolled around. And he wasn't even the worst offender at Nebraska -- for instance, Christian Peter was a truly miserable piece of filth masquerading as a human being. Nebraska fans like to respond to these criticisms by yelling about glass houses and bringing up Iowa's arrest rate under Ferentz, but there are a few crucial differences there. One, the overwhelming majority of the offenses from Iowa players are of the underage drankin' variety. Two, Ferentz's punishments are far harsher -- especially in the cases of genuinely serious crimes. Dana Brown hits a girl -- he's off the team. Dominique Douglas and Anthony Bowman decide to engage in credit card fraud -- they're immediately suspended and never play another snap for Iowa. Even in the ugliest incident under Ferentz's tenure, the Satterfield and Everson sexual assault case, the players involved were kept away from the field after Ferentz became aware of the issue. A lot of things were bungled in that case, but he got that part right. If they'd been at Nebraska in the mid-90s? It might not have even registered as a blip on the radar.
Nebraska also introduced me to the concept of schadenfreude. I didn't know that word at the time, but it perfectly described my attitude about Nebraska. I delighted in their failures and wished them nothing but misery every time a game kicked off. I rooted against them week in and week out, even in bowl games where the opponents -- Florida State, Florida, Tennessee -- were not particularly likeable. At the time, those Seminole and Gator teams represented the lesser of two evils -- I could deal with the crowing of Bobby Bowden or the cocky strutting of Steve Spurrier (hell, it's not like there were any FSU or Florida fans in northwest Iowa), but another Nebraska victory? Ugh. I still have very fond memories of their blunders, like the loss to FSU in the '94 Orange Bowl, or the unreal 19-10 defeat to Iowa State in 1992, or the shocking 19-0 bushwhacking by Arizona State in 1996. The loss to Texas in the 1996 Big 12 Championship Game -- on this gutsy 4th-and-inches call -- was particularly sweet, since it guaranteed that I wouldn't have to endure the possibility of a Nebraska three-peat.
My dislike of Nebraska only intensified when they were able to use their reputation to slide into advantageous situations that their performance didn't necessarily justify. I'll always be convinced that Nebraska was able to deny Penn State a share of the 1994 national title -- and take a share of the 1997 national title as their own -- because of the affection Tom Osborne was able to drum up from the media and/or his fellow coaches. In 1994, Osborne still had the image of the hard luck good ol' boy; he'd come achingly close to winning the national title in years past, so of course he "deserved" a title when his team finally ran the table. Never mind that Penn State had done exactly the same thing; didn't that old fossil JoePa already have a few national titles? What did he need with another one? In 1997, Osborne milked the "it's my last rodeo" routine for all it was worth, getting enough of his fellow coaches to switch their final vote to Big Red to give him a third and final national title. (Maybe JoePa should have said he was retiring after the '95 Rose Bowl.) Of course, the most egregious example of Nebraska being gifted an advantage was their inclusion in the 2001 national championship game -- despite not even winning their division (let alone their conference) and getting annihilated by Colorado in the regular season finale, 62-36. At least there was a just result to that mess: Miami trounced that undeserving Nebraska team, 37-14.
Thankfully, the Aughts wound up providing a staggering amount of Nebraska-related schadenfreude, beginning with the shocking 7-7 season under Solich in 2002 and reaching full bloom in the epic failure of the Bill Callahan tenure****. Seeing the emperor get stripped naked and paraded through the streets as the fool, subject to all manner of insults and injury from the plebians and peasants he'd found under his heel in the past, was deeply satisfying. Going 5-6 in 2004 (topped off by a 70-10 depantsing from Texas Tech) and snapping Nebraska's decades-long streak of bowl appearances? Delicious. (That those two years happened to coincide with two of the better Iowa seasons of recent vintage only intensified my delight.) And bottoming out even further in 2007 with a 5-7 record that included both a 76-39 massacre by Kansas (the quintessential whipping boy program for Nebraska over the past century) and an embarrassing 45-14 home loss to Oklahoma State that had "the greatest college football fans in the history of the universe world" streaming for the exits by halftime? Heavenly.
**** I was overjoyed by the Callahan hire at the time. As a Raiders fan, I already despised him for presiding over one of the ugliest Super Bowl defeats in years and, a year later, for being the man in charge of the disintegration of a team that had been one of the AFC's best in the early 00s. To get rid of him and unleash him to "work his magic" on a team I hated? Truly, the gods smiled upon me.
Mike Hlas wrote a guest column for The Omaha World-Herald on the topic of the burgeoning Iowa-Nebraska rivalry, and he had an interesting take:
While the Huskers had slippage in the last decade and the records of Iowa and Nebraska have been virtually identical in that time, NU still has the history, mythology, and that way-overused word in sports that is respect. Hawkeye fans crave that so-called respect, and never seem to feel they get enough of it. Now here you come into their conference, Huskers, threatening to pose another obstacle toward Iowa getting lavished with recognition by the rest of the planet.
Frankly, respect is only part of the equation here. Would it be nice? I suppose, in the sense that garnering respect does often provide a few warm, fuzzy feelings. But it's not going to come easily, if at all -- even if Iowa beat Nebraska for ten years straight, Nebraska fans would still lord their five national titles and 800+ wins over the heads of Iowa fans. In a sense, they've earned the right to do that (the numbers are what they are), but it doesn't really make them any less insufferable, either. But let's take a moment to discuss that point, too: it's based on history -- and increasingly old history at that.
Nebraska hasn't been a meaningful participant in the national title race since their unjust appearance in the 2001 national title game -- hell, they haven't even appeared in a BCS bowl game since then. (Iowa, for the record, has been a legitimate part of the national title discussion twice since then, in 2002 and 2009, both years where they ended the season in BCS bowl trips, too.) Shit, Boise State has been a more important part of the national title picture since then. Nebraska hasn't finished a season with fewer than three losses since 2003 -- hell, they haven't even finished with fewer than four losses since then. In terms of quantifiable results, Nebraska is not an elite program right now -- they're a good program, but not an elite one.
Of course, whenever this is pointed out Nebraska fans are quick to point out that this is their worst decade in half a century and that, gosh darn it, it's just not fair to judge them by these results and the good times are gonna come roarin' back anytime now. It's true that Nebraska was far better in the '90s. And '80s. And '70s. And '60s. But that argument conveniently glosses over a few key points. First, it's not as if Nebraska's '00s regression was a result of the rest of the Big 12 (particularly the Big 12 North, aka the division that provided almost half of their opponents every season) getting markedly better. In fact, the Big 12 North reached a particularly pathetic nadir in the '00s: a 5-3 Colorado team won the division in 2005 and an even more sadsack 4-4 Colorado team "won" the division in 2004. It's not as if the Big 12 North suddenly transformed into the SEC West and was full of teams beating each other's brains in for the right to play for a national title.
Second (and more importantly), the nature of the game has irreversibly changed. Nebraska achieved greatness in the back half of the 20th century by keeping hordes of kids on scholarship -- and keeping a few more hordes as walk-ons. Scholarship limits make it impossible to do the former and the latter would be difficult even if Callahan hadn't scorched the legendary walk-on program to a crisp during his tenure. Modern players want to play, not sit four years and wait for one chance to reach for the proverbial brass ring. They increasingly don't care where they play because their games are going to be accessible on national television wherever they go and because NFL scouts will find them wherever they go. And if they want to play for a national title? Well, there aren't really a "lot" of potential destinations that offer that possibility, but there are some -- and Nebraska is no longer one of the guaranteed spots for that ambition. Those changes have leveled the playing field and eliminated some of Nebraska's biggest advantages -- big problems for a program in a state that doesn't produce a lot of homegrown talent.
We're approaching the 15-year anniversary of Nebraska's most recent national championship, meaning it was almost a full generation ago. Of those "five national championships" Nebraska fans like to crow about, two of them are from 1970 and 1971, 40 years ago. How many current Nebraska fans remember those titles? Hell, how many of them were even alive back then? You know which other fanbases put as much emphasis on victories that old? Notre Dame. Minnesota. Army. You're in great company there. Nebraska has a wonderful history of success; it would be foolish to deny that. And, yes, if we're measuring the length of our dicks by our respective football histories, congratulations -- you're Dirk Diggler and we're Reed Rothchild. But college football is not a static sport; it's a dynamic sport and teams falter that were once great and teams rise that were once lousy. Washington was a great team for a while in the '80s and early '90s; they've been fighting for even a shred of relevance over the last decade. Colorado was a power in the '90s; now they're the butt of jokes. In the '80s, Iowa dominated Wisconsin, Northwestern, and Iowa State; the worm has turned in all of those rivalries, though, and now Iowa's '80s dominance is mostly just a footnote to the grand narrative of those rivalries. Remembering the past is nice; wallowing in it is just sad.
No, the Iowa-Nebraska rivalry is going to be built on hate. I hate Nebraska and I want to see them lose -- not just against Iowa, but against every Big Ten team they play. I don't give two shits that it might make more tactical sense to want Nebraska to win games against everyone but Iowa, to make a potential Iowa win even more meaningful. Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate. So as Nebraska joins the Big Ten and a sea of red prepares to invade the Big Ten stadiums I have grown to love (and hate -- screw you, Ryan Field), I welcome them. No longer will I have to hate from a distance; now my hate can be up close and personal. Welcome to the Big Ten, Nebraska. Now go lose.
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The Old Man looks healthy again.
Video evidence. I mean, he ain’t Jack LaLanne, but trust me when I say he looks really good and really excited.
Meanwhile, Tom Osborne has gone beyond the Old Man status. It’s remarkable…and scary.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 5, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Jack's dead
so, the bar is kinda low there.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
by Flakbait on Jul 5, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Speaking of bars
Jack LaLanne’s corpse just did 15 pull-ups.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 5, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
It's the juicer.
Zombies love that it removes the pulp from the brains.
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on Jul 5, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you going to do this to the first comment of every thread for a while?
Just want to know if I should expect it. And next time use a subject line so I can minimize it.
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by therealCatnuts on Jul 5, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Ross touched on it, but it's not mentioned enough:
Nebraska’s recruiting is going to suffer immensely now that they’re not playing the Texas schools every year. Have fun duking it out with the rest of us B10ers for the 5 elite Chicago kids and the Ohio leftovers every year. Those recruiting disadvantages Iowa has? Nebby is in even worse shape. Good luck with having Pelini coach up 30th-ranked classes as well as Ferentz.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
While they certainly recruit TX heavily and that would take a hit, I don't think it's that big.
1 – Iowa has recruited TX okay, and I would think the relationships NE has with the high school coaches are established enough to keep some guys
2 – they already recruit guys from AZ, CA and other west coast places that has nothing to do with conference affiliation and which no B1G really recruit now
3 – they’ve already gotten top recruits out of illinois and ohio; this could only help that
4 – this opens them up to michigan, pennsylvania and maybe even other east coast areas they don’t really recruit now.
Maybe they’ll take a dip, but I don’t see some radical, rapid fall from the Top 20 classes they’re getting now.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
We're going to have to agree to disagree at this point, I guess
I’m firmly of the belief that all of the factors that hurt Iowa in recruiting (poor HS FB state, small population, distance from urban areas, distance from powerhouse HS FB states, rural culture, small-town feel, decidedly caucasian) are nearly exactly analogous to Nebraska. And I think those factors are extremely important long-term. Maybe Pelini overcomes that for at least a while, it appears he’s a solid recruiter. But over time I think it’s inevitable they regress in recruiting classes.
Put in another way, I think those are important reasons Iowa will never have a Top-10 recruiting class, and I don’t think any coach in the nation could do so at Iowa. Losing Texas is going to destroy Nebraska’s recruiting in the long term.
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by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
they did fine before the big xii
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That was before scholarship limits, before nationwide TV access for all FBS schools, and when they were one of only a dozen or so schools with top-notch facilities. All of those advantages are now gone.
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by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Gotta jump in here
Nebraska before, during, and this most recent year after, the Big 12, signed no more and no less than 2-6 Texas recruits every year.
I firmly disagree with your assessment that Texas will dry up for the Huskers just because we’re out of the Big 12, as I think there is ample evidence that Nebraska’s brand and decades of recruiting is enough to pull some good players out of Texas regardless of whether we play there.
Even stipulating that the Texas pipeline will dry up doesn’t get you anywhere near Nebraska’s recruiting being “destroyed.” If we only start getting 1-2 recruits from Texas, we simply have to get 2-4 more from Michigan, Illinois, Ohio, and Pennsylvania to make up for it.
The type of talent we get could very well change, but I think it’s a pretty safe bet to say that our recruiting will be solidly top 25 indefinitely.
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
hell, maybe they roll right into Ohio and snag some of those top guys if jOSU stops getting ALL of them from in-state
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
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by BStylin Hawkye on Jul 5, 2011 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
You are one wordy mofo, Ross.
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Hate knows no word limits.
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by RossWB on Jul 5, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Word.
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by therealCatnuts on Jul 5, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Living in Sioux City for 7 years of my life
i need that hate….i feel that hate…i love that hate
Skol!
I just tried to sign up for twitter using several "hate" based names, and all of them were already taken.
Wait, I guess that just proves that hate knows character limits, which was kinda the original point you were making.
Damn, I just wasted a lot of time signing up for twitter.
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Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 6, 2011 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
That is some high quality hate right there
You should’ve written the Friday Hate piece on OTE instead of the guy from BOTC.
"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney
Ouch
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Jul 5, 2011 3:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No insult to you TB
It just seems like Nebraska fans have grown numb to K-State’s hate, at least from the douchey comments that were left for your article.
"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney
by ClaybornSmash on Jul 5, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I had a feeling Iowa would unleash some good stuff, especially on this site.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Jul 5, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
OTE viewers are a bunch of BHGP wannabes.
Unless you are a BHGP-er yourself. Then you aren’t. I’m just saying in general, most B1G schools don’t have the witty humor, nor the class, to hate like a BHGP. I mean, nothing against BOTCs, but… yeah. Quality. And stuff.
Betcha can't handle this 4-3 cover 2, mofos!
It's a shame
just how far down OTE has sunk. Not the main page writing, which has actually gotten much better, but the god-awfulness of the comments where 4-5 guys constantly take over every thread then pitch a shit fit all day long
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Jul 5, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I used to go to The Rivalry Esq. for knowledge...
Now I stop in once periodically to see what the Nebraska trolls are up to. I’m lookin at you, Fake Pelini.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Jul 5, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I tried have rational discussions
with some of the other commentators…not going to happen. The trolls hijack the thread in an instant.
We're gonna go America all over their asses!
I don't blame OTE for going w/ BOTC either
but I don’t know if they realize the hate that at least half the state of Iowa has for Nebby. I can’t wait for them to come play in Kinnick Playground. Lot of wedgies and swirlies gonna get handed out.
Skol!
The New Hate Era!

Turner Gill doing his best Pryor impersonation, and a Hurricane celebrates while being inappropriately touched after the 1984 Orange Bowl. Source: SI
Don’t forget the revisionism about the ’83 season! Somehow going for two makes Osborne into the head coaching equivalent of Ernie Banks. I just see a bad coaching decision denying kids a national title.
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well, that did get them some national fans.
Whether it was good or bad in actuality, it made a story that lingered for a decade or more, and enough people thought it was a good idea.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
My trip to Lincoln in 2003
Was one of my first ‘glad to be no-longer broke’ football game road trips. And the fans and strippers were all very, very kind. And they’re the memory I’ve had of Nebraska since Osborne first started ghostriding his whip and letting some noob like Steve Pederson hire Bill Callahan.
But if I were to pen a How I Learned to Re-Hate Nebraska piece, it would be one sentence: by reading BHGP.
Rec’d, and new sig time!
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"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
surprisingly great strippers in Omaha
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by therealCatnuts on Jul 5, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's not really all that suprising
when you consider how much money I’ve invested in Omaha strip clubs over the last ten years.
by Tom Ace on Jul 5, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
It was surprising to me, an Omaha first-timer
Not sure exactly what my expectations were, but they were probably quite modest. And they were exceeded.
Also, I witnessed this:
When my buddy and I were out in Lincoln for the 03 Nebraska game, we partied with the nicest of nice people—great folks who pounded beers with us before the game and who walked us all the way to our section just before kickoff. We got pretty loaded, and I learned that my buddy (who I knew from church youth group, btw) gets very, very potty-mouthed when things don’t go PSU’s way. And it didn’t that day, for those who remember. I was a bit embarrassed at his verbal onslaught, but hid it under more and more beer. So the game ends, and we’re catching a ride back to the hotel, in the back of one of his cornhusker mates’ SUV’s, with the windows down, beats bumpin and the party generally continuing rather strongly. And we roll up to an intersection (red light) where two beee utiful co-eds are giving each other what looked like a goodbye hug. I couldn’t resist, and shouted out the window: ‘Oh, go on; give her a kiss!’ She looked at the truckload of dudes, smiled wickedly at us and then at her friend (who returned an approving smile), and they dove in for a lengthy and deep liplock. We cheered far more than we had all game.
It was totally and utterly hot.
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
some lady worked at The 20's as a Masters project.
now that’s good ol’ american values right there!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Ok...I'm not asking for more info or directions or anything...
But…does Omaha actually HAVE strippers? It’s my understanding the clubs are on the Iowa side of the river, or outside of Lincoln.
I am jealous of you. You have yet to experience this for the first time.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
omaha has strippers,
but the best ones around omaha are on the iowa side, one in particular called the playhouse, it’s huge and is BYOB.
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About that respect
I don’t care about my team “earning” the respect of other fans and teams. Then again, I may be a sociopath.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
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by Blackheartnopants on Jul 5, 2011 2:23 PM CDT reply actions
I feel like I'm reading my own biography...
No, my first hate* was Nebraska. Growing up in northwest Iowa, it was an easy hate to develop. In those days, there were really only two choices: you could be an Iowa fan or you could be a Nebraska fan.
"I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe." -- Nile Kinnick
~~ Never gets old.
So True
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 5, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll be 31 in a month.
I felt mostly the same way about Nebraska in the 90’s, although it might have been an even more pronounced respect-hate thing, growing up in omaha. My dad grew up in crescent, IA (his childhood is covered in meters of water right now), but when we moved to nebraska in 82, his hate grew, only because he was around the fans all the time. So I grew up with that, but I had enough friends that were Husker fans, and they were good enough, that I couldn’t help but respect them to an extent.
But then when I went there and walked-on (not a plan, as I had transferred from a different school and it was in-state tuition and they still had the walk-on program where, literally, any full-time student could tryout) in the class with Jamal Lord, Trevor Johnson, et al. and was actually friends with those guys and others, it was hard not to root for them.
But then Callahan came, and more importantly, easy-to-hate Pellini and the indignant righteousness that quickly resurfaced, my hate grew right back. I don’t like them anymore. And now that my fiance dumped me, I don’t have to pretend to like the Huskers anymore for the sake of her family.
So Fuck the Huskers.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Not exactly a banner year in the tyger household, huh?
Good luck with everything.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 5, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
man, rougher than you know. and just the past month, too.
but thanks for the good luck
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
No problem. At least football is coming soon. Baseball-only season bores me to tears.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 5, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I had no strong feelings regarding the Huskers
except that they remind me of PSU when they joined the conference and their fans predicted the B1G would be their bitch. I expect Nebraska to fall into a similar situation; but now in solidarity with Tyger I will step up the hate and say Bone the Bugeaters.
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
Oh and Fake Pellini is a douche bag.
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
by Kluginator on Jul 6, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
/attempting some jedi mind fuck on our fanbase
How about instead of “hating” on FakePelini, we embrace him as the face of the hate-child we are nurturing with Nebraska? Plus, everytime someone from Nebraska comes out of no where and actually has an intelligent addition to a conversation, Fake Pelini will always be there to remind us of what the Skerpes are all about.
Skol!
by DM_Purp on Jul 6, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like your idea.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought he was bad but he is a troll weakling
compared to the guys at end of Jacobi’s hate post. Delusional does not even begin to describe them.
God, you're old. I won't be 31 until
last March.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jul 5, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
daaaayyyyyuuummm!
you old sucka
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You are totally a month older than me, Oldy McOlderson
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 5, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Seven Hells. You're all older than me.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
So all that shit went down shortly after your birthday? Happy 31!
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 5, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
shortly before. I'll be 31 in a month. We were to get married in 2 1/2.
Shit’s gone so square, s’ridiculous.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Ah, reading fail on my part.
I see the original post said you were almost 31
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 5, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Also: I'm not very good at pep talks so pardon me if these come off the wrong way:
1) You’re much better off that the relationship ended BEFORE the wedding
2) If it was meant to end, it’s better to get it over with. Take your time with it, but hanging onto it for a while longer would just make the separation worse.
3) 31 and unmarried ain’t shit for a guy. You’ve got 20 years if you want it before marriage/kids are off the table as a man.
4) Related to #3: For some reason men get more attractive and interesting to women every year we get older. You’ll find somebody better for you, if for no other reason than sheer maturity.
5) Seriously, fuck her. You’re a cool guy.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 5, 2011 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I had a friend,
who was getting married while he and his wife were in college.
I think it was a week or two before the wedding, and he asked me if I thought he should go through with it. I didn’t see any signs that they were unhappy or incompatible, and so, I told him to do the right thing and get married.
Two or three years later, she was hanging out at bars with her friends and cheating on him.
I feel a little guilty about the whole thing, but as I think about it, I don’t really remember any signs (that they wouldn’t make it) before their wedding.
The point of this story is to concur with Catnuts, in that if you don’t think it will work, don’t get married. There is probably too much societal pressure for people to get married by age 25, 30, or 35. Plenty of happy couples don’t marry until the bride and groom are secure in their careers, their own personalities, and with other aspects of their lives.
Part of me wonders if, in the past (20 or 30 years ago and before), if more marriages weren’t initiated, and held together, because there were so few career options and so little independence for women.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's a horrible situation for a friend to put you in.
There’s no correct answer to that question.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
For some very special friendships, I can see how the question would be valid.
I encouraged a friend to be really sure about the girl he was marrying. I just didn’t like her all that much and thought he could do better. Our friendship was and is strong in spite of what he knows was me expressing my honest opinion out of love for him.
by The Final Gun on Jul 6, 2011 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, it had better be a strong friendship.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
This is just my personal opinion
In no way, shape, or form am I even giving an opinion on what Chazz did because every friendship is different. To me though and w/ the friends that I have? I would tell them to do what they think is right. I would ask them if they maybe had anything specific that they’re worried about. If they respond with: I think she’s been talkin’ to another dude, then something might be up and you may have to give them the “you better be sure” speech, but people live secret lives all the time and there’s no real way for a lot of friends to even know about it. I just had a friend get divorced in the last year and it came out of NOWHERE
Skol!
4) Related to #3: For some reason men get more attractive and interesting to women every year we get older. You’ll find somebody better for you, if for no other reason than sheer maturity.
Many a discussion among my friends has been had on this topic, and we’ve come to this conclusion.
Men “appreciate” as they age. The things women want, we typically have more of as we get older (maturity, stability, money, confidence, etc)
Women “depreciate” as they age. The things men want, women typically have less of as they get older.
I absolutely understand this is a very sexist and awful sentiment, and I’m not saying it’s fair. I’m just saying it appears to be, in general, true.
Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.
by the way, my dad didn't want to watch game of thrones.
Thought it was all fantasy-y. Then he was on vacation, still wouldn’t do it. Finally, last Friday, he started… couldn’t stop. Ten straight episodes. Thought that was funny.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It appears I need to start watching it. Everyone on this site keeps raving and raving and raving...
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 5, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
You just want it to yourself, don't you?
I’ve delayed watching it because I generally find Fantasy-type stuff boring and I’m generally turned off by too much violence, but if it’s as good as people are ranting here then I need to give it a chance.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 5, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I was going to say something about not wanting you at the cool kids table
but we have been getting along so i thought better of it, even though it was going to be a total joke.
I am totally NOT into fantasy at all but I don’t necessarily think it fits into that category. There are a lot of characters, fewer all the time, and I can’t always keep them straight but I like it.
The Sopranos in medieval times is an okay description.
Think Braveheart. It’s fantasy in that it is make-believe, but you’re not gonna find all these dragons and unicorns and witches and wizards and that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
SPOILER ALERT
but you’re not gonna find all these dragons
Not quite true
"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney
by ClaybornSmash on Jul 6, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
HEY!!! I was being coy.
And it’s true if you take the colloquial meaning of “all these” as a lot. So… thhhhppp…. el-oh-el
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I won’t be 31 until last March.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
You throw enough feces jokes at the wall,
and some of it will stick.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
a bold strategy, to say the least.
you gonna come out with a new spoilers thread with all the movies coming out? i missed out on the last one.
Perhaps I should.
Maybe this weekend.
I’ve only seen X-Men 2, and Hangover 2. My cousin recommended Green Lantern, but I haven’t seen it yet. At some point, I’ll probably see Captain America.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Saw Transformers 3. It was OK. Not a bad way to spend two hours.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz
by Blackheartnopants on Jul 5, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
It would appear that $400 million worth of people felt the same.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Bridesmaids was surprisingly awesome.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 5, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
yes!!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Thirded
Better than Hangover 2 and Bad Teacher. I still liked those movies—they were funny—but Bridesmaids was fantastic. I’m pretty pumped to see Horrible Bosses; hopefully it doesn’t disappoint.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Jul 6, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I am very excited for Horrible Bosses.
There is something about Charlie Day that I love. I can’t figure it out. He is such a little cutie.
I kind of want to see Bad Teacher.
I should check to see if it is still in theaters here in Waterloo this week/weekend.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Good God you're old
I don’t have to worry about turning 31 until the year 2008
/checks calendar
FUCK!
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I turn 31 in 4 days or something.
Also, it would be incredibly easy to figure out who I was from my posts here.
by The Final Gun on Jul 5, 2011 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
who you were or who you are?
name change? sex change? what?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Maybe I suck at grammar, but I thought when speaking of hypothetical futures, you use the past tense.
“It would be awesome to have done that.”
by The Final Gun on Jul 5, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, but then it would have been, "it would be incredibly easy to have figured out who i am..."
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think there is a large cadre of us here on BHGP
that are 30 or 31.
I turn 30 later this week.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
31 is my golden birthday
…but that is still a half decade away.
We're gonna go America all over their asses!
I have a one-in-seven chance of getting this right.
August!
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm old enought to be your
older sister. The funny thing is that I actually said that to a young 22-3 year old KStater in Lawrence at a Cross Canadian Ragweed show. I’m guessing you had to be there to find it as funny as my friends and I did but it was pretty funny. He was really confused.
I always wanted a little brother.
Mostly to help my dad around the farm so I didn’t have to but I won’t make you do that.
Sounds like a deal
as long as your (our) pop doesn’t care that I drink and farm.
We're gonna go America all over their asses!
Fun hater
Just get the tractor in the field and I will take care of the rest.
We're gonna go America all over their asses!
It was mine as well niner
2 years ago
/old fucker’d
Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.
Lotta old balls in here
still 3 years from 31. Man, you guys are old.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I love that 31 has become a signpost in this discussion
#1: USA
#11: gypsy dozen
#21: First taste of alcohol
#31: BHGP age definer
#41: Number of years in a Nebraska half-century
#51: Manliest man of all time

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 7, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I watched most of Necessary Roughness (the movie) yesterday or the day before.
I love the scene where the convicts’ team shows up for a scrimmage. Butkus is their captain, and talks in a very polite way. It cracks me up every time.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 7, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
EEE #31

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 7, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
31 as well
I’ll be out in Happy Valley for my next birthday. 32 will be a much easier pill to swallow if we beat Penn State again.
31 next month
OK ...one time Randy Beaman had to take baths with his brother ... so one time his little brother took a potty in the bathtub ... and now Randy Beaman gets to take showers by himself. 'K. Bye
Can I get in on this early 30's kick? 33 isn't that much different from 31.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
YES IT IS! YOU'RE OLD!!!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
then I must be really close to being in the grave
I have one foot in the hole and one on a banana peel, since I am 39.
Formerly known as SpoWAHawk
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by IAHawkfan4life on Jul 7, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
33 in a week and half
Oldy McOlderton. And I’ll be celebrating by backpacking in north-central PA, thank you very much.
So in a week and a half you can join me in my Oldy McOlderton-ness?
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
An early happy birthday,
back-packerhawk.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 7, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I see what you did there, Chazz
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
I think it was a hiking joke, not a gay joke.
Or am I just naive?
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 7, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought it was a hiking joke, too.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
That's the way i read it as well.
Good one Chazz.
"West Texas seems to be full of fake boobs providing a comfortable shade for well-developed pot bellies" - Lycurgus (06/24/2011)
by BStylin Hawkye on Jul 7, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I meant it as a hiking joke,
because Packer said he was going “back-packing in north-central PA.”
Seriously, sincere wishes on a Happy Birthday.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 7, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Where in north-central?
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 7, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha! Thanks
I’ve been out there for the last two Iowa/PSU games and managed to have a good time (even in ‘07). Ugh, that offensive performance was ugly. But it’s hard not to appreciate Happy Valley on a football Saturday in early October, win or lose.
This is the same reasoning people use when they're sorry to hear I'm a Cubs fan
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 7, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Except they never use the word "October"
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 7, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs call that month "Vacation"
I’m also a Cubs fan. I can relate. Apples and oranges comparing a Big Ten football atmosphere to the woes of the Cubs, though. I was referring more to the entire experience out there; tailgating, food, scenery, nightlife, etc. The Cubs, on the other hand, usually just piss me off and make me everything.
Apple 1: B10 gameday atmosphere
Apple 2: Wrigleyville/beer in the bleacher seats
That was the comparison I was trying to make.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 7, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I gotcha
Another interesting comparison between the two popped up last weekend when I was having a few beers with a buddy. He (a diehard Cubby fan) claimed that he was cutting all allegiances to the Cubs (he’s not) because of the emotional toll it had on him year after year. When I asked him if he was doing the same with the Hawkeyes he decided he was not. He thought about it briefly and said, “No, you just can’t cut ties with the Hawks. The Cubs are like the shittiest girlfriend you’ve ever had in your life. But the Hawks… the Hawks are like family.” I thought that was interesting, not to mention, probably the most profound thing this guy had ever said.
by Tom Ace on Jul 7, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
The Hawks ARE like family.
I’ve been trying to explain that, and this site, to my gf. She doesn’t get it. She loves football, but mainly the NFL. One weekend in IC for a game ought to change that!
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Beautiful.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 7, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
From a Hawk and Cubs fan
THIS
"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney
by ClaybornSmash on Jul 7, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Assuming most of you all were born in
or have lived a lot in Iowa, I think that just plays into it so much.
If Iowa ever wins a mens’ hoops or football national title, I honestly believe that there will be partying (hopefully not rioting) in the streets, statewide (it might be muted a bit in Ames).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 7, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
There will be riots.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yep, there will be rioting. Lots of rioting.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
There will be rioting in Iowa City
I can pretty much guarantee it. It might be muted if it’s a BCS title with many undergrads being gone, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see stuff on fire on the ped mall. It’s apparently how we celebrate (or vent frustration if you’re Canadian).
Happy Birthday
"GO HAWKS!" - only cure for Hawkeye Envy
by BentNotBroken on Jul 5, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks,
and happy birthday to Final Gun, also.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, Happy Birthdays all around
Get drunk, get stupid, get laid.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 5, 2011 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I'm already stupid,
and I can get some beer,
but I’ll probably be celebrating with my immediate family (dad, mom, two sisters), so forgive me when I decide not to “get laid.”
/LOL
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Count me in on birthday well-wishing.
I’m 30 in 13 days.
"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Jul 6, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll be 50 in November
You young’uns can start digging a hole for me, OK?
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Jul 8, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I turned 31
when Nebraska won their last National Championship. Fuckers stole my youth.
by silkhawk on Jul 7, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
1994 penn st
1997 michigan
All time iowa
by Fake Pelini on Jul 5, 2011 2:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
You have no conclusive evidence that McCloskey was out of bounds
94 Penn State played a better schedule than 94 Nebraska
97 Nebraska lost to Missouri; you know it’s true
Iowa has been better than Nebraska for 9 straight years now
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It somehow got mixed up with the evidence against casey anthony.
by Fake Pelini on Jul 5, 2011 5:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I still don't get the obsession about 1994.
At the end of the day, Nebraska had nothing to do with it. It was the voters.
If that’s an issue, we should hate Ohio State for winning the 1968 title when PSU was undefeated. We should hate Alabama and Notre Dame for claiming the 1973 title when PSU was undefeated. We should hate Harvard for claiming the damn 1912 title when PSU was undefeated.
It’s not the teams’ fault, it’s the system—a system that, while nowhere near perfect, is far better than in the past.
Bloggin' at JoePasDoghouse.com
Oh, please.
It’s Nebraska’s fault because they exist. Same with Ohio State (I utterly despise them), Alabama (I hate them), Notre Dame (I hate them), and Harvard (I HATE THESE DOUCHEBAGS! THEY NAME THEIR SONS MARSHALL AND THEIR DAUGHTERS CONNOR. I HATE THEM SO MUCH!)
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 7, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it just people that went to Harvard or anyone the named their son Marshall?
My uncle went to NMSU, pre-Truman State which I don’t recognize, and he named his son Marshall.
I'm not sure.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 7, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
No one has any evidence that McCloskey was out of bounds.
1994 Penn State played better against a far better schedule than did 1994 Nebraska.
Corby Smith bitchmade you. You know it’s true.
Iowa has been better than Nebraska for the entire 21st century. You’ve been irrelevant by comparison for an entire century.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 5, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Corby Jones rather.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 5, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You're a nimrod
Don’t you wish you could be sitting here arguing when Iowa had an Undefeated Season, better yet, back to back Undefeated SeasonS <—-Plural with TWO National Titles to boot and we’re sitting here arguing who had the better schedule?!?!? Man, that would be nice….only if it happened. Ha Ha Ha. Too funny.
Get a life…you’re still Iowa and No, you’re not dreaming.
Since you're new here
He’s Penn State. He just hangs out here because he likes to bask in the awesomeness that is BHGP and we like having him around.
Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.
Otis? Is that you? No, no, the bad little troll hasn't trolled hard enough yet.
Don’t worry, you’ll be free soon, and then you can introduce yourself.
/Hey Jacobi, Bring out Otis
//But Otis is sleeping.
///Well, I guess you’re gonna have to go wake him up now, won’t you?
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 6, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't worry about him
I mean, how can we honestly reply to such compelling arguments?
/nimrod
/internet dork
/loser
Skol!
take your propaganda elsewhere commie pig

On Iowa
by keosahawkeye on Jul 5, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 20 recs
How can I not rec this?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
even i have to rec that.
well played
" Every Christmas my Mom would get a fresh goose, for gooseburgers, and my Dad would whip up his special eggnog out of bourbon and ice cubes. "
by alex henery's foot on Jul 7, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Well done, and well said. I will laugh my ass off if the football gods sense of humor is distracted from AIRBHG for at least one year and (wait, what are we calling these guys? NU? jNU? Oh right, I think recently I decided UNL, since they don’t call themselves fucking Nebraska University) UNL earns a fuck-you-very-much Ofer in their inaugural B1G season. Here’s hoping.
I will say that lumping the 2001 Huskers in with 1994 and 97 Huskers is a little disingenuous.
I don’t know that ANYone wanted that Husker team in the Nat’l title game. That was a total fuck-up of the BCS system. It was undeserved, but I’m not sure it was anything “bad”. Or something. It should have ended the BCS right then. Unfortunately, it didn’t.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Huck the Fuskers
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Perspective from half-a-generation (gulp) back
I didn’t initially grow up a fan of any college football program—my dad was a baseball guy, and my brothers were pro football fans. But when work moved us to the little town of Beatrice, Nebraska, we noticed strange things. Here we are, in the biggest town in the county, about 12,000, and when Mom took me down to get some shoes on a Saturday afternoon in September, we found downtown utterly deserted. The only people about were those who had to work in the stores, and they all had their radios on to the Nebraska game. They seemed truly annoyed that my Mom wanted to shop. As for me, aged 8, I was fascinated by how much all these people cared about this one thing. The year was 1970, and this was my introduction to college football.
I quickly found out about Nebraska football. It WAS the weekend and in truth, for those who understand there can be little to do in Iowa for recreation, it was even less in Nebraska. The first football game I attended live was Nebraska-Oklahoma in Lincoln in 1970, the first national championship year, and I still have the program. People were absolutely devoted to the program, and I don’t remember any jerks at the time. That would have turned off my Dad, in particular, in a hurry. And yes, Ross, I’m alive, and not yet 50 (though too damned close)
Work took us to Kansas a year later, and I became caught up in Big 8 football. Went to games in Lawrence and Manhattan, Kansas, and I learned a few things quickly. First, KU and K-State were awful. Second, everybody got up for when the two powerhouse teams, Nebraska and Oklahoma, came to town. I think we all just wanted to see what good football looked like. Both OU and NU expected to win and did, but the ones who were the jerks were the OU fans. It wasn’t a contest.
This is as good a point as any to set something straight. Tom Osborne did not make Nebraska football, and a lot fans of a certain age might argue it existed in spite of him. Bob Devaney built it. Osborne inherited it and since revisionist history is a theme of sorts here, Osborne spent most of his career at Nebraska trying to live up to what Devaney did, building a bad team up to back-to-back national champions in the span of about seven years. A lot of Nebraska fans in the ‘70s didn’t think Osborne had it, and there was support for that in the form of several inexplicable close wins or losses to doormat teams in September. And Osborne was Yosemite Sam to Barry Switzer’s Bugs Bunny—always outsmarted in critical moments. Nebraska would lead Oklahoma in the third quarter, always to be burned by a big pass play, one of maybe three Switzer called the entire day, and Oklahoma would invariably win. I knew a lot of Nebraska fans who were completely frustrated—Osborne couldn’t win it all, but he won enough that he would never be fired, and he wasn’t going to do something silly to get fired.
1983 was finally the year, supposedly, when Osborne built a team that nobody could beat. Then they went to Miami and had their heads set on a swivel by Miami. Why did everybody make such a fuss about going for 2? Because Osborne needed that win more than anybody who wasn’t around then can understand. In today’s environment, he’d have been gone, probably before 1983. But that’s not how Nebraska worked.
Things changed, and the Miami and Florida State traveling circuses took over. I was no longer that close to it, but from people I talked to, something started to change in the Nebraska fans. They used to have the reputation as the best and most knowledgeable fans in football, and they prized that in the same way that Iowans treasure the reputation of their schools. In my opinion, it just wasn’t enough anymore. Over the years, Oklahoma imploded and a pre-fab rivalry was put together by Colorado, but things weren’t the same—except that Nebraska still couldn’t win it all. Didn’t matter to me anymore, as I long since came back home and became a Hawkeye. I was in the stands in 1981 when we beat them. The Nebraska fans the night before were their ususal selves, nice, polite but expecting to win. They left stunned and once again ticked off that they seemed “stuck” with Osborne.
Somewhere in the late 80’s it seemed to me that Nebraska fans gave up being what Nebraska fans once were, and became like some of the lower-common-denominator fans of schools for whom they had no respect. Finally, the rot rose to the top. Personally, I think (sorry, PSU fans) Nebraska would have beaten Penn State in 1994. I also believe, however, that Osborne sold his soul to win it with Lawrence Phillips. And I agree he humiliated himself groveling for a share of the 1997 title. Michigan was not a great team either (Don’t get me started on the blown PI call in the end zone in the Iowa game) but Nebraska did not deserve it at all.
I am absolutely looking forward to playing Nebraska every day-after-Thanksgiving. It should have happened a long time ago, especially after the Big 12 made the asinine decision to not have Oklahoma and Nebraska play each year. I will pull maniacally for the Hawks, but do I hate Nebraska? No, not yet anyway, because I remember what they once were.
FOUR. THREE. COVER. TWO.
by Mr. Grizz on Jul 5, 2011 3:48 PM CDT reply actions 14 recs
Great post.
And yes, Ross, I’m alive, and not yet 50 (though too damned close)
Hey, I never said there weren’t any…!
But, seriously, thanks for the perspective. I always appreciate getting an insightful, thought-provoking look at things, especially a time period I’m not terribly familiar with myself.
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by The Bird Cult on Jul 8, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if stats back it up, but, from the eyes test, Nebraska wasn't even that much better than Michigan in 1994.
1995 Nebraska was a juggernaut, but they still weren’t even close to the juggernaut that was 1994 Penn State. Collins, Engram, Brady, Carter, Rivera, Witman, Hartings, come on, give me a break.
Also, while I don’t like bringing his name up anymore, Jerry Sandusky was totally better than Charlie McBride.
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by ReadingRambler on Jul 5, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree with that about the 1995 team. I agree with the hype that that '95 team was one of the best ever.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
94 PSU vs 05 NU would have been a hell of a game.
Though, if PSU had the defensive speed and aggression I’d expect, they’d probably be able to win that game.
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to assume you meant '95 & you're right;
1995 Northwestern would have been very competitive against ’94 PSU…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jul 5, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
At least until Ki-Jana Carter dove low and broke Pat Fitzgerald's leg on a block.
Which he totally would have done because we all know Penn State wants to be just like Iowa.
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Did 1994 Penn State lose to Fake Miami? Did 1994 Penn State lose to an only decent Pac 10 team? Would Pat Fitzgerald have looked utterly silly if he had been in space against Kyle Brady?
Note: Exit to the last question is “Yes.”
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by ReadingRambler on Jul 5, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
P.S.
Johnny Rodgers. Gas station.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 5, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
Rambler, I think you teach me something about once per week.
From the wikipedia:
Rodgers was convicted of a gas station robbery while he was a student at the University of Nebraska in 1971. He is the only Heisman to be convicted of a Felony before receiving said award.
In 2000 Johnny Rodgers was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame and was also voted the “Most Valuable Player” in the history of the Big Eight Conference.
In 1999 Rodgers was selected to the Nebraska All-Century Football Team via fan poll…
Rodgers was reported to have become a devotee of Guru Maharaj Ji, head of the Divine Light Mission, in 1974.
He is one of only sixteen Cornhuskers to have his jersey retired by the team.
In 2007 Rodgers was a brief partner in a sports bar located in midtown Omaha bearing his name. In less than one year the partnership fell apart and dueling lawsuits ensued.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Rodgers
Here’s some more info, I’m not sure how accurate it is:
In 1969 he (Osborne) recruited Johnny Rodgers, a troubled young man from Omaha’s north side who had both been stabbed and shot another boy in the stomach before his sixteenth birthday. As a Nebraska freshman in 1970 Rodgers was involved in a gas station robbery that earned him two years probation.
http://pigskinhistory.blogspot.com/2009/12/clash-of-big-eight-titans.html
How does a guy get convicted of a felony (robbery) and still play and win the Heisman the next year?
Because its Nebraska, that’s why.
/seriously, if anyone knows of a good rationale here, hollaback.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Only 934 words.
C’mon, Grizz. Put in the effort and hit the 1k word count.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Should have ended it with
fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska fuck Nebraska.
There, 1000 words. Remember, The State University of Iowa: Cradle of Writers.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jul 5, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Should've thrown a "Fuck Clemson" or two in there...
M’thinks the two of you could have been nominated as co-Poet Laureates.
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by hawkeyeguy85 on Jul 5, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Grizz with the fastball, McCann't with the curveball
BHGP is so fucking great that I feel comfortable using hacky baseball analogies.
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by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Will Husker fans applaud polietly
when Hawk fans leave with goalposts in tow next November?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
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by Blackheartnopants on Jul 5, 2011 4:02 PM CDT reply actions
*if
And if it does, I guarantee you we will. Even Texas was applauded last year, idk how the hell that happened.
by Fake Pelini on Jul 5, 2011 5:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I seriously think this is a cool tradition you have here. I still hate Nebraska, but only out of sheer loyalty to this blog.
by The Final Gun on Jul 5, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not totally true. Multiple reports (including my own)
confirm that the older generation Nub fan did applaud TX. The younger generation Nub fan in attendance either left or went Christmas Story* on all TX fans as well as the team.
- Christmas Story = “He worked in profanity the way other artists might work in oils or clay. It was his true medium; a master.”
I also attended the 2008 Mizzou romp over NU in Lincoln. We were greeted well by the older generation (say 40 and over) and had to ignore many a tongue lashing as the younger folks left the stadium……..late in the third quarter.
Kansas loves Missouri as every parasite has to have a host.
Dude, shouldn't you be trolling bring on the cat's instead?
Seriously, getting at least part of the crowd to applaud you after you beat them is still an accomplishment. I mean, most humans in the world are either pissed or indifferent at that point.
Gotta love people from outside blogs
telling other neutral fans where they should be blogging.
I guess this is just one more reason we think some Nebraska fans are annoyingly arrogant.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, we're conference brethern Waterloo
plus you know you love us. This guy on the other hand, is in a blog of a team in an entirely different conference to hate on NU. There’s a difference!
I don't think he's "hating on NU."
He’s just saying that some younger Nebraska fans were swearing at Mizzou.
Nobody thinks all NU fans are cursing idiots, but it would be difficult to believe that some are not.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Applauding the opposing team after a loss is an insult
This is their rationale: We are so utterly dominate and better than you that we applaud you for doing the inthinkable, winning here in the home of the greatest fans in college football. Look at how cute you are.
Fuck you Nebraska.
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by Nature Boy on Jul 6, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hate Nebraska.
Secondary reasons: Delusional fans, douchey players, annoying coach. McCloskey wasn’t obviously in or out of bounds in 1982 and if you clowns really think it was obvious then you really are clowns. And, no, I don’t care that McCloskey said he was out; his view was worse than what the refs had.
Primary reason: because the Big Ten media all voted for them in 1994 but for Michigan in 1997. This was after Penn State had been “welcomed” in the league by Michigan State (Thanks, George Perles) and no one else. At best, no one cared. In the middle, Ohio State chided us as “pussies” unworthy of being in the same league as them (How did you like our revenge, boneheads?) after the 1993 game. And at worst, Michigan did their usual puff-up-the-feathers routine and then made statements like, “Blah blah blah blah Michigan blah blah”, and, “Blah blah blah Michigan blah blah blah blah The Rivalry blah!” On a lighter note, Bob Knight offered the following comment: “Penn State is a goddamn camping trip.”
Anyway, in 1994, the voters all showed their conference pride and I utterly hate them for it. Nowadays, Nebraska is welcomed in with open arms and programs about their 1994 mythical national championship. And that’s great, but, I hate them.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
This may sound weird,
but back when PSU joined the Big Ten, you either had to know some PSU fans and chat with them, or you didn’t . And if you didn’t have friends like that, you got to read whatever the newspaper put out there. Living in Iowa, I couldn’t chat with a ReadingRambler to get to know more about PSU.
Nowadays, we can do that. Except that it’s Nebraska, and I get to talk to Fake Pelini. So I guess society really is going down the drain.
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough... Still
Okay, let me start by saying I appreciate the hate I’m getting from Iowa fans. It’s about time a fanbase this organized, motivated, and generally speaking – crazy, got their act together and started spewing some form of indecencies in our direction. In fact, not only is it warranted it’s pretty much expected (it IS true we have one of the most indignant, pompous set of fans in the world… that is unless you meet a SEC fan. And yes, I mean SEC fan collectively because I once got into a meaningless 1 hour argument about how the SEC is really different… That didn’t end well).
There are some things I would like to point out, though. While we may seem to be the object of hatred from Western, West-Central, and pretty much everything not Iowa State related (come on, Iowa State fans have to win something consistently to hate anyone, right?) within the state of Iowa, I am fairly intrigued by the roots of all this. You rarely (as in never) hear a story that is like this in reverse. I don’t know of Iowa fans who grew up in Nebraska that felt the need to choose between the two teams, and chose Nebraska over Iowa out of principle. This can probably be rooted in one of two things:
1) We’re just that arrogant and by proxy, it’s easy to hate Nebraskans and our football team, basketball team (we hate them in intervals too), our baseball team, volleyball, wrestling, etc. This is a fair assumption, but maybe a bit too simple of an answer. You just don’t hate like this because of arrogance. (or maybe you do… again, let me be the first to admit our fans can be a bit obsessive)
2) Iowa just doesn’t have the cache to matter. I mean, don’t get me wrong, your fanbase is legit, and BHGP is maybe the best blog I’ve ever read from a college. Still, I’d be remiss to not point out that Iowa just doesn’t ‘move the needle’ when talked about outside… well, Iowa.
I’d probably say that these two (false) dichotomies are a little too divergent, but it does bring up an important problem. Iowa says they only hate Nebraska because we forced them to… The reality is that they hate Nebraska because no one noticed Iowa existed.
Now before I get absolutely torn apart for this (because that’s what these message boards are here for after all), think about that for a moment. I can spew 800+ wins and 5 National titles all day, but even I know we haven’t been relevant in a decade (again, complain all you want about the 2001 team because we didn’t want to be in that game anymore than you wanted us to be… we knew who we were). What I cannot understand is why Iowa fans constantly insist on being validated by Nebraska fans. I recently was discussing football with a friend of mine, and he wouldn’t relent until I said that Iowa has been better than Nebraska as of late. Um, okay? Why did that matter? Neither team won a title in that period. Neither team was even in a title game in that period. Neither team really mattered to anyone outside of their own little world (2009 Iowa did for a while as did 2010 Nebraska, but both managed to screw that up) He then proceeded to talk to me about history and programs and doing stuff the right way… It was ridiculous because it just didn’t matter, and that’s my problem with the tons of posts about Nebraska I’ve read over the past few months.
That’s why I’m excited to play Iowa. Win or lose, I can at least stop listening to the “we get it that you won a while back, but we’ve been good lately” crap thrown around as if it matters. See, here’s the deal, while Nebraska fans may love their history, Iowa fans seem to love whatever is most convenient. You’re good now, apparently (although, what defines ‘good’… last title appearance? that’s what I thought), but when you’re down you talk about your history of doing football right. You hate on Nebraska for talking about their history making them relevant. I’m confused as to what exactly makes Iowa relevant. Proximity aside, Iowa has been nothing but an afterthought to the average Nebraska fan since… well, since I’ve been alive at least (as a quick aside, that’s not that long… 26 years).
Finally, I’m not going to sit here and say we’re winning the National Championship for the sixth time (you like what I did there? I bet you did) this year, because I’m a realist. We’re going to get everyone’s best in a brutal schedule, against a great conference, with new opponents and locations, and with a new Offense. It could be ugly (or great, that’s the beauty of football). What I will say is that we aren’t regressing as you may seem to think. Our recruiting relies on national ties. Always has and always will. We might lose Texas more, but we’ll open up Ohio and Pennsylvania again. Pelini is crazy, but he can recruit. One day in the near future we’ll have another conversation when Nebraska has won something and I’ll get a lecture about how it’s about time… blah blah blah. Nebraska is the object of hate, and that’s fun, but mostly because it’s always nice to know someone acknowledges your existence. I leave you with this fun video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiRv7J2f7_w See you in November.
by KennardHusker on Jul 5, 2011 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow. A Nebraska fan that I can tolerate.
Almost as refreshing as Nestea.
Iowa just doesn’t ‘move the needle’ when talked about outside… well, Iowa.
True. Some Hawk fans get pissed about this. I think this is starting to change. The Hayden Fry and now the Kirk Ferentz years have given us a bit of respect from some people in the media, and some people outside Iowa (not many of each, mind you.)
If Ferentz keeps doing things “the right way” (save the Rhabdo or arrest jokes for now, thanks), and if he wins a another big game or two (Rose Bowl? BCS title game? Yes, these are dreams, but this is the internet), I think the respect will grow. Another thing that would help us is if we avoid “falling back” like we did toward the end of the Fry era.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I think that Iowa is getting there. Still, the reason most ‘douchey’ Nebraska fans get Iowa fans so worked up is that they can at least point to something. I’m not defending them, but more merely pointing out an observation. History is just that, history. Still, having a history is better than not having a history. It’s kind of like Great Britain. They call themselves great because they literally owned most of the free (operative word here) world, but now they’re second fiddle to pretty much everyone. Still, they can party hard on their laurels. We’re probably in that same boat.
As for your future? Before you get to that respect level, I think you need a title in the modern era. AND you need a title recognized by the AP. Winning a split title with an undefeated team when you were a one-loss team in the fifties doesn’t help. Ferentz is a good coach (boring at times) but a good coach, and so long as you keep yourself out of the spotlight for dumb stuff (Rhabdo jokes, ‘what didn’t DJK do?" jokes, and any other spattering of arrest jokes here) you’ll be alright.
by KennardHusker on Jul 5, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
While I appreciate your post and Mr. Grizz's, as they were well thought out and not just a bunch of derp
I resent the implication that Iowa does not have history. Granted, our history is different than yours it still exists. If you would like to educate yourself on it feel free to read The Director’s eight part series, I linked to the last one but there are links at the top to all of them. It is fantastic. In doing so you will see that ours is a fairly well-rounded program that has had ups, not as high has UNL’s I will give you that, and low ass lows.
As for moving the needle I find that to be an interesting comment that Rittenberg and others make because when I was in Boston in April my cab driver started talking about college football and he said he likes watching Iowa play, he could even name some of the players. At a Royals game last year I sat in front of Alabama fans that said they had watched a few Iowa games in 2009. We might not bring numbers en masse but people out side of Iowa fans watch our games, probably similar to how they watch the Huskers.
Yep.
I had no personal anecdotes about the “some people outside Iowa watch Iowa on ESPN/ABC” phenomenon, so big ups to you, CWay, for providing such info.
Also, we have made 7 BCS-level bowls. In the Big Ten, I’d guess that’s more than Indiana, jNW, Illinois, Purdue, MSU, Minnesota, and Wisky (I looked, and its tied with Wisky). So it’s probably in the top half of all BCS conference schools. (Granted, we are “only” 3-4 in those games).
Also, while we’ve “only” had one Heisman winner, we have had a lot of guys in serious contention for the award (Brad Banks, Chuck Long, Randy Duncan, Alex Karras). So that kind of keeps the Iowa name in the media from time to time.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, and plenty of winners of the "position" awards.
Greene won the Doak Walker, Banks won the O’Brien, Dallas Clark won the Mackey, Kaeding won the Groza. Gallery, Karras, and Cal Jones all won the Outland.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Shonn Greene was not a "first runner-up" for the Heisman, though.
He came in 5th in the voting in ’08.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
he got so screwed.
if memory serves, that was the year the media was having a collective tebowgasm with bradford winning it (i think) and mccoy in contention.
I believe you are correct.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
is that who you are?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That'd be awesome.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
TFG is Shonn Greene? Awesome!
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by Blackheartnopants on Jul 5, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Good luck, TFG, on your upcoming truckings!
/god-damn this lockout.
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Beautiful!
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I've replied a bit too much, but one more...
Okay, so I think using the ‘move the needle’ line was probably a bit apropos of me. I think Iowa winning moves the needle. As you all point out later, yeah, New Years Day wins help. Of course, the problem you also point out is that Shonn Greene didn’t win a Heisman, and should have. Conversely, Eric Crouch won a Heisman, and really probably shouldn’t have (Nebraska fans will roast me for that, but come on, really? I mean, I’ll take it and boast about it, but he was not a Heisman type. Suh on the other hand). That’s all I mean. For Iowa to win the major awards, make title games they don’t belong in (2001, I get it), and really to be considered a media darling, they have to win out or win big. So yeah, I think Iowa is gaining respect, but most (not all) fans I’ve met are constantly trying to tell me you are there. I just don’t buy it. The NFL pipeline, however, is helping. That’s just craziness. If I were an OL, CB, TE, or RB, I’d want to be @ Iowa.
by KennardHusker on Jul 6, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
In my opinion
Antwaan Randle-El should have won the Heisman that year.
He played on a shitty team, but he made them respectable and won games pretty much by himself. His stat line was comparable with Crouch’s, but while playing for sad sack Indiana.
Rex Grossman? Ken Dorsey? David f’ing Carr? Not even in the same ballpark.
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields
I don't think you have been replying to much at all.
You actually bring discussion to the comments, not just blatant assholery and homerism. Similar to an Iowa fan you can see fault with your team and are willing to admit it. unlike other UNL fans that, it appears, many of us have come into contact with.
Nah, I was just being snarky with the NYD thing.
And simultaniously pointing to another Iowa talking point. It’s the “Monty Python Spanish Inquisition” theory that we’re better when no one expects us to be good.
Honestly, I think most of us like it that way. Do you have any idea how pleasing it is to hear Florida or SoCarolina fans telling you how slow your team is, only to come out and throttle them in a way that leaves them wondering where the hell that just came from? It’s a nice feeling in January, when you’ve been hearing all season long (to varrying degrees) that your team just isn’t made of the right stuff.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 6, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah! Florida don't know jack about varying degrees!
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by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget Ga. Tech
That was probably my favorite. I was so sick of hearing about their vaunted triple option that was going to revive how football was played. They were in a weak ACC, didn’t deserve to be in a BCS bowl, and got ripped by a good Iowa team. It was probably the first time I really ‘rooted’ for Iowa to win a game.
But that’s just it. I’m a midwest fan, and I will keep rooting interests inside those bounds as often as possible. KU in basketball? Sure, why not. Iowa in wrestling outside of when they matchup against Nebraska? Absolutely. Colorado in the High Times joint-rolling derby? Um, sure? As long as you aren’t Missouri. I hate Missouri. It’s a terrible state, it’s a terrible college, and their fans suck. I don’t mind the actual educational institution, but from a sporting perspective, I pretty much hate them. Just because you had a string of years where they didn’t doesn’t change the fact that they are the whiniest group of never mattered to anyone ever… And your governor is a tool (who’s in the B1G now?).
Lastly, I have been replying a bit too much today. My lack of productivity, and third cup of coffee has the markings of me needing to get back to work. This is why you get a job where they give you your own office. Time to put down the iPad…
by KennardHusker on Jul 6, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Missouri isn't Midwest - it's a southern state
And worthy of hatred.
The only major thing I quibble about in your original treatise, Kennard, is the notion of Iowa’s alleged irrelevancy.
Any college footbal fan with a more than passing interest in the game is familiar with Iowa. Hayden Fry single-handedly broke the Big 2, Little 8 dynamic in the Big 10. That alone put Iowa on the national radar and also laid the groundwork for the revival of what were HORRIBLE Wisconsin and justNorthwestern programs.
Iowa’s biggest failure – and, I believe – the root of the Iowa fanbase’s weird penchant for demanding respect, is the lack of Rose Bowl wins. I posted about this on OTE previously, but if Fry had just won ONE of the damn Rose Bowls or if 2002 Iowa was skipped by the Orange Bowl and got to go to Pasadena and destroy Washington State, I think Iowa would get the respect its fans believe it deserves.
What sucks about being an Iowa fan is you know in your heart that you had some seriously amazing Top 10 teams, but fell just short of the big brass rings (as a Big 10 fan, a Rose Bowl win means more to me than a National Championship, because in my opinion, every NC winner needs a pretty big heaping of luck and popularity votes to even get a chance).
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See, no one like Missouri
and that’s the way it should be.
Anyhow, I don’t think that Iowa really is irrelevant, but I think that the casual fan does. Bill Simmons has what he calls the mom test. Basically, it’s the, “If I were to ask the most uninterested person about sports, what would their response be?” If that person answers with something about your team, you’re popular enough to be included as relevant (that was worded weird, but I’m on cup of coffee four now…) and therefore have more credibility.
The reason I bring that up is this. If I were to go ask the average sports fan who the ten most relevant schools in college football were, I’d probably get an overwhelming responses for USC, Alabama, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Michigan, Ohio State, and Notre Dame. The next two would be split among Auburn (flavor of the week), Nebraska (history plays a part in the average fan conversation), Florida State, Miami, Tennessee, and probably some regional homerisms like Stanford, UCLA, Texas A&M (Their helmets say aTm, doesn’t that say enough?), Oklahoma State, etc.
While Iowa is absolutely a power to be reckoned with, not just as of late, but generally throughout Fry’s career as well, I would say that the casual fan doesn’t know this or know enough to care. That’s unfair to Iowa, but I’m sure that is the root of all the angst (sorry, bad word choice, but you get the idea).
I am by no means saying Nebraska will destroy Iowa because of our history. That’s ridiculous. I am also not saying we are inherently better because of our history. What I am saying is that we are fortunate enough to have relevancy because of our history in the casual circles. Hardcore football fans know who Iowa is. It’s just how it should be. It’s the non-hardcore fans that are generally vocal and provide perception. The downside to not getting this cache like we have is that Iowa doesn’t get the bump in votes for things. Wait until the first BCS tie breaker screws Iowa out of a Rose Bowl berth. You’re gonna be all sorts of pissed off, and the respect conversation will open up again. It’s not because you don’t deserve it. It’s because you just don’t receive it.
One last anecdote. My wife hates sports. She loves me, but I’ve cut down on 24/7 sports fandom since we’ve been married. Not that it’s a bad thing, but I’ve pretty much given up trying (known each other for 10 years, married for five… pretty much a lost cause). She casually roots for Nebraska, but more because I’m happier when we win then lose. Anyhow, we started hanging out with a couple who loves Iowa football to their core. She didn’t really catch on at first, and we go into their basement that is decked out in black and gold and their are Hawkeyes everywhere. My wife leans over and asks, “Soooo… I assume that’s something to do with Iowa, right?” While my wife isn’t even a casual fan, it sums up my point. Iowa is relevant to the rational sports fans, but the loud casual fans still don’t register.
by KennardHusker on Jul 6, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you are now phrasing it in a slightly arrogant way.
I think the cache Iowa football might have had in the 1980s might have been gone by 1990 or 1995.
Another thing that isn’t helpful today is that even when Iowa is on the Saturday night ABC national game, it is usually only in the midwest and/or west. So, “casual fans” in other areas (east, south?) may not see us beat Arizona or Michigan (2009).
As for the Bill Simmons’s mom or your wife test, I don’t care. If you live in Nebraska (do you?) and your wife can’t recognize Iowa and black and gold, then that says more about her than it does Iowa.
I used to read Bill Simmons a lot, but I don’t too much anymore. He probably pays as much attention to college football as his own mother does these days.
We are not yet a national power. But I’m not sure Nebraska is anymore, either. And now, we’re going to play each other every year, not just when Iowa is breaking in a new coaching regime.
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
My wife would have a hard time recognizing Nebraska colors.
I don’t think he’s very far off in that one. And I think he has a lot of relevant points in the post. No problems by me.
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by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Was your wife from Iowa?
I can understand this issue if you live across the country. But if you live/grew up in a state next door, then WTF?
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep. Grew up in Eastern Iowa.
Not everybody cares about college athletics like those in this room, you know.
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by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
im from clinton.
and i know what you mean…its more nfl fan based there vs college football…such a shame
30 dollars...what do you need 20 dollars for?!?
by blackheartgoldurine on Jul 6, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it's an indictment on my wife as much as anything
She really couldn’t care less about football (or sports… seriously, i have many stories about this). As long as we beat CU each year, she was happy (she spent a year @ Colorado State, who abhorred Colorado… that, and Boulder sucks). And I think she knew the colors, but the Hawkeyes all over the place confused her a bit.
And I wasn’t trying to be too critical. I just bring up the casual perspective as opposed to the engaged perspective. I have friends who go to Nebraska games because it’s what you do. They tailgate, root for the hometeam, make dumb comments, and threaten the lives of people who say otherwise (Dan Beebe got a bad wrap by Nebraskans). They are casual fans and hate Iowa because they don’t think they belong in football. These same fans think Bowden is still coaching FSU, and probably couldn’t name five players on our team not named T-Magic (terrible nickname). Personally, I like Iowa’s team, but I also appreciate what Alabama did to Michigan State, what Oregon did for fast football, what happens at TCU, how good Taylor was at Va Tech last year, etc. I like football and I’m engaged in liking football, so I can appreciate Iowa. Still, most (not all or even the ones you care about) people still don’t group them into the national scene.
As for Nebraska? It’s hard to say what our national perspective is. I run into people all the time who think we’re still good at football. My job is to call people for jobs, and so I talk to people across the nation, and that’s always what they bring up. Again, engaged fans probably don’t group us in there anymore. Casual fans on the other hand? They’re a whole lot dumber (case in point, how many times will ND get ranked to start a season?). That was all I was trying to say by that.
by KennardHusker on Jul 6, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have to disagree with you about Nebraska and casual fans.
I think the casual or non-fan would have trouble recognizing UNL in 2011. The downslide Nebraska has been on in the last 10ish years has taken them out of the national spotlight. IMO, random people thinking UNL is still good eludes to the lack of relevance. People don’t care enough to find out. Of course, this argument is similar to “we would beat you in such and such year” and at its core is just conjecture and opinion so it doesn’t really mean anything.
Here is a deal w/ women: Your wife didn’t recognize Iowa colors b/c she doesn’t care. We don’t even remotely pay attention to things we don’t care about. When I was in high school my best friend probably wouldn’t have been able to name Iowa’s colors, we lived about 1 1/2ish hours from IC, because she didn’t care.
Story time: My bro-in-law constantly tries to engage me in conversations about the Chiefs and my response is always the same, “I don’t care about the Chiefs so stop trying to talk to me about them.” Other than Moeaki and Stanzi I cannot name another Chiefs player. Is Casey still playing? This is not an exaggeration. As I am typing this I can’t even name the starting quarterback b/c I don’t care about the NFL.
I’m sure you boys are not impressed with this story but it is true. I am a COLLEGE football fan not even close to an NFL one.
by Carfino'sWay on Jul 7, 2011 6:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he's right about casual fans
Living out here in SoCal, when I mention I went to Iowa, I get “great wrestling team, they’re in Ames right?” Damn does that last part burn me every time. I believe it’s absolutely true that casual people associate Nebraska with football, much more so than Iowa.
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by therealCatnuts on Jul 7, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait, so we're NOT "a football school"?
SUCK IT, [COACH REDACTED]!
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by RossWB on Jul 7, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA KNOW WHERE IOWA IS!?
WOO-HOOO! WE MADE THE BIG TIME, MA!!
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 7, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd say it's about 50/50
For those that know Iowa or anything about it and those that hear Idaho or Ohio. And I shudder to wonder how many could pick it out on a map.
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by therealCatnuts on Jul 8, 2011 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I work on the phones
an I talked to a lady from Florida that asked me to spell I-O-W-A for her
Skol!
You pretty much summed up how my GF feels about Iowa Football
She also hates a lot of sports (likes football) but says she gets a lot more enjoyment out of watching little kids play a meaningless soccer game where everyone is trying hard, or a bunch of people playing a softball game against another team from their office, than watching most pro and college sports.
But she will root for the Hawks if they’re on, because when they win, I’m happy. I took her to Iowa City – she grew up here in Sacramento, went to Sac State, and has never seen or been in a big-time college stadium – in April 2010 when I was taking care of my mother’s estate in Des Moines. She deals with the Hospitals a lot in her job here – as she’s a grants admin at UC-Davis Med Center, and UC-Davis and Iowa do a lot of ophthalmology studies together – so she “knew where Iowa City was.”
Anyway, we drove around town, I took her to walk around the outside of Kinnick, and she kept saying “you Iowa fans are a like a CULT with your bird head.” She quite honestly admitted she doesn’t get it, other than her West Coast take that “since there isn’t anything else to DO in Iowa…” Ergo, her naming of our fanbase “The Bird Cult” inspired me to change my handle here (and its also my alumin association email address now – thebirdcult@alumni.uiowa.edu). She’s right, actually, you see the bird head EVERYWHERE in Iowa – and I don’t think there’s any question that it (obviously) is the inspiration for the K-State logo and undoubtedly influenced the current Penn State design to some extent.
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by The Bird Cult on Jul 8, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
And that's fine,
because she grew up in Sacramento.
If you grew up in Iowa or Nebraska, and you don’t know the Iowa colors, then I have a slight problem.
I realize not everyone is a sports-nut, but some people also just aren’t observant.
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll bet you a lot of people on this blog can't tell the difference between a maple and oak
Or can’t change their own oil or tire.
Or cook an egg properly
Or figure out their remote control
Or tell the difference between a purse and a handbag
There are a lot of things that are “obvious” to those in the know that are not picked up by everyone else if they don’t care. This is not a bad thing, we need people who have varied interests.
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by therealCatnuts on Jul 8, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I know all of those, (a purse has an arm strap, right?)
This next thing I’m going to say is not about your wife.
But, I think many people in America are as dumb as they are because we don’t expect people to know more. Perhaps the colors of the UI aren’t important enough to have people be expected to know it, but there is plenty of knowledge out there that people should know, they don’t learn it, and some people (not necessarily you) dismiss this in the name of “varied interests.”
It’s kind of like in education. There is a certain level of American cultural literacy that more and more students don’t have. And some school systems are fine with this, in fact, some encourage it by opening schools that are “academies” or focused on certain vocations.
/sorry, I’m ranting here.
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually halfway agree with Chazz on this issue... weird
I try to know at least a little about any topic so that I am not completely clueless when someone brings it up. International politics? I know enough not to embarrass myself. Professional sports? I know every team, mascot and colors along with a lot of athletes. Fashion designers? I can tell a difference between a real Gucci and a knock-off and have been told that I actually have pretty good taste for a straight man. Religion? I know the basic tenets of most of the world’s major religions and their history. I could go on but you get the point.
If people made even a little bit of an effort, whether they are interested in the topic or not, then maybe they would connect with someone who they normally wouldn’t. I’ve become friends with many people who I might not have had anything else to talk about if it weren’t for my knowledge of some topic that people in the know wouldn’t expect someone else to know about.
I don’t expect someone to be able to recognize a 4-3 Cover 2 as different from a 4-3 Cover 4 but I would expect someone to be able to at least be able to know which team was which is they knew who was playing.
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by ClaybornSmash on Jul 8, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everything is so self-centered now
People SHOULD make a little effort to connect with others that have different interests. I think you are spot on there.
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Jul 8, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
By the time I was 11 I knew all the state capitols...
We would play the capitol naming game in the car with my folks… forwards and backwards.
My kids are going to school in CT with their Mom during the school year and NEITHER of them knows all the state capitols. Its a good geography and memorization lesson…
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Jul 8, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Or poison ivy or poison oak
Although the result is tragically is the same…
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Jul 8, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
My 11 year old son just stole my murse, too...
I had a nice small Timbuk2 bike messenger bag that I like to use when I’m traveling on airplanes… he didn’t bring out a backpack so he could take his digital camera and basketball shoes to summer school, so he’s “borrowed it”. I’ll never get it back, dammit.
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Jul 8, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, I can't even tell you the difference b/w a purse and a handbag
other than some people prefer one term over the other, similar to bag over sack.
by Carfino'sWay on Jul 10, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
Do these guys look Northern to you?


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by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
George Brett is from West Virginia not MO.
He may not be used in this argument. As a resident of the KC area I can tell you it is not northern. Many people here speak with a southern accent.
My first clue that it is more southern than northern,
is the “shoot your guns into the sky on holidays” phenomenon.
My second clue? KC is known for the BBQ.
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
not sure what they do in other cities
But I think that whole ‘shoot guns’ thing is sort of an urban phenomena. And not the nicer parts of town- not exactly a sign of intelligence/ good education.
Always intresting to hear automatic weapons fire on weekend nights not far to the east of my house (Brookside- 49/63 in KCMO). Bop-bop-bop-bop… bop-bop-bop. Stupid/sad. Poverty+ignorance+lots of guns = not good.
I thought it came from the wild west days.
I know they still have a problem with it in the Phoenix, AZ area, as one young girl died from being hit by a bullet coming back down, a couple years ago.
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
2nd'd
I’ll be in KC later this summer to get my fix. Oh, and it’s my niece’s first birthday or some such.
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by IPeeBlackAndGold on Jul 6, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Despite 3 or 4 trips to KC,
I have yet to try the BBQ.
I kind of need to hit an Arthur Bryant’s the next time I’m there.
The last time I was in KC (March of ‘08, I believe), I ate at about 4 different restaurants. Since it was March Madness, we mostly went to places with TVs (810 Zone, Paddy O’Quigley’s, The OP in Overland Park, and a breakfast place called First Watch.) They were all pretty good, except I don’t recall if I actually ate food at the 810 zone, or if I just had some beer.
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh, last time I was at Arthur Bryant's I wasn't that impressed.
The one by the speedway is not as good as the one on Brooklyn. OkJoe’s and Jack Stack are better, IMO. I don’t really like First Watch’s potatoes and that is what they are known for.
Ok Joe's
is the one with the Gas Station, right? God that was some good food, seemed like you got tons of it too.
We're gonna go America all over their asses!
At first I was afraid
In fact I was petrified, but I waited in that damn line for about an hour and a half (mid-afternoon even) to eat there and it did not disappoint.
We're gonna go America all over their asses!
I kept thinking I could never live without you by my side.
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by therealCatnuts on Jul 7, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Order beforehand.
You can bypass the line and pick it up at the counter that way.
Arthur Bryant’s on Brooklyn is the best BBQ in town, but I seem to be one of the few remaining who strongly believe this. Probably because all of the other Bryant’s in town suck.
Gates’, Oklahoma Joe’s, Quick’s, and Woodyard Bar- B-Que are the best in town otherwise…and I’m well under 200 lbs despite this love of BBQ.
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Definitely a good tip
to call ahead. Is Arthur Bryant the one that is in the fancy area near downtown – I can’t recall the name of the area – help me out here.
We're gonna go America all over their asses!
18th & Vine Jazz District?
Not exactly a fancy area of town. It’s just to the east and north of there.
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I agree that Bryant's on Brooklyn is
WAY better than the one at the Speedway.
I think you might be thinking of Jack Stack there is one on the Plaza and in the Freight House, near Crown Center. It is definitely fancier BBQ but as I have said many times Cheesy Corn Bake is my world.
Jack Stack in the Plaza!
That’s what it is. I thought it was pretty good, I liked their beans the best though. I don’t think I’ve had Bryant’s, I’ll have to check it out next time I’m down there.
On a side note, the plaza really isn’t that fancy, it is just really clean and has nice restaurants and stores.
We're gonna go America all over their asses!
The Plaza is the oldest organized outdoor shopping area in the country
and it is modeled off Seville Spain it used to be fancier but now it is just like any other mall. I would guess Halls keeps out any other large department stores since Saks and Mark Shale left.
Funny you should mention the beans, people who like beans (not it) say they are the best around. But I would bathe in Cheesy Corn Bake if I could. Try it next time it is totally worth it. Would your big sister lie to you?
by Carfino'sWay on Jul 7, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I will definitely have to try it
I’ll also let you know if I think it is good enough to bathe in.
We're gonna go America all over their asses!
There will be cheesesteaks in October, fyi
And I will cut you if you even think about asking to go to Geno’s or Pat’s. SRSLY
I hope I don't get cut for this but I've never had a cheesesteak.
I don’t like green peppers or onions. May I get it without?
MMM Cheesesteaks.
I went to Pat’s it was decent, but I could make that shit at home. I want a real cheesesteak.
We're gonna go America all over their asses!
I had a cheesesteak
in the “safer” part of Philly (only a few blocks from Liberty Bell). It sucked.
So, if Niner says Pat’s is just decent, then hopefully, Gino’s is the place to get one.
@CWay, I think you just ask for the sandwich with cheese “whiz”. According to a TV show I saw, just say “whiz”. Don’t say “whiz with” because that means onions (and maybe peppers?)
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Geno is a racist
So there’s that. Just make sure you speak English (there’s a sign) and he still serves freedom fries. Plus he pretty much disowned his gay son. He’s not exactly Mr. Popular with the crowd on the (redacted) side of the “p-word” spectrum, or more moderates from the other side of the spectrum.
I didn't know that.
Then again, if I think about the “sterotypical Italian in the American north-east”, I suppose none of that should surprise me.
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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
No! Say "provolone without"
Whiz, ick. Also you can get mushrooms on it if you prefer or a variety of other things.
I’m a provolone wit, peppers on the side guy myself.
No problem, I hadn't had a real one until I moved here
Don’t worry, I will steer you to the right places (D’Alessandro’s and Leo’s are my favorites so far).
Also, they are fully customizable. I wouldn’t even be too mad if you got a chicken cheesesteak.
Okay, good.
I was worried about the CheezWiz thing, I’m not into that either. I like to try local eateries when I travel. I can’t understand why people go new places and eat at Chili’s or Applebee’s. Eat local, man.
by Carfino'sWay on Jul 10, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought he was a Californian (?)
Actually, pretty sure he’s from California. Too lazy to look it up, sorry.
He is the love of my Royals life and he was born in WV.
His family did move to CA, where he spent most of his formative years, but he will alway be a West Virginian to me.
He certainly wears a WV expression in that picture
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by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
cool, thanks!
I have learned two things today:
1. George was actually born in WV.
2. There is one NU fan who isn’t a complete ass.
Wheee!
and how much of that Missouri hatred
is the fact that we have had the temerity to beat you all recently? You have made some very reasonable, ‘good Husker fan’ points here, but that sounds an awful lot like something that would come out of the scummy bottom of your fanbase barrel.
And that is what absolutely drives me nuts about your fanbase- you go apeshit at the slightest hint of disrespect, then will trash the heck out of someone who has been playing you for over 100 years, because, from where I’m standing, you are very annoyed that we started beating you all fairly regularly.
And don’t give me the ‘MU fans are terrible, arrogant jerks’- if anything, most MU fans hope for the best and expect the worst, and really don’t get too upset when fate takes another dump on us.
Sorry, this is quite douchey (and incomprehensible)- but then again, it’s trashing MU, so it doesn’t count, right, vaunted member of the classiest fanbase in CFB?-
‘Just because you had a string of years where they didn’t doesn’t change the fact that they are the whiniest group of never mattered to anyone ever… And your governor is a tool (who’s in the B1G now?).’
We certainly won’t miss you, and I have a funny feeling a number of B1G fans will be getting the same ‘you beat us? and actually celebrated beating us?! well, you’re scum of the earth, obviously!’ reaction.
Were there folks clapping after the 52-17 beatdown in your house in 2007? I didn’t see it. But then again, the stadium was empty by the end….
I don't hate the college, I hate the state
Okay, I get where you’re coming from, but let’s break this down a bit. 1) I never claimed Nebraskans are the classiest fans in college sports. They aren’t. In fact, to say a fanbase is classy is pretty dumb.
2) I really dislike Missouri as a state. It’s personal, I admit, but I’ve never had good luck down there and have literally had racial remarks (and I’m Asian… really? Good work) thrown at me in Missouri. It’s ridiculous.
3) No, I have never liked Missouri. The wins are annoying, but nothing new. In fact, Missouri actually has one of the better histories in sports against Nebraska, and my hatred probably started in basketball, not football. This is circa 1993-1994.
4) Your governor openly asked for an invite to the B1G. I don’t care what you say, that was ridiculous.
5) Missouri fans (as a whole, I don’t know you, so sorry if I’m grouping you into this partition) care about football when you beat us and disappear when you don’t. I agree, it’s not fair to judge a base on a few, but this has been my experience.
All that to say, yes, I hate Missouri. I apologize. I’m open to something that would change my mind. As a Cubs fan, I hate STL, as an Omaha resident, I hate KC, as a Husker fan, I hate Missouri. Sorry about that. I’ll be the nicest hate-filled person you meet, I promise.
by KennardHusker on Jul 6, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
That's OK
If we’re talking ‘sports hate’. And you obviously have a great reason to hate some racist a-hole. I certainly don’t hate NU fans (or the state), except in a sports sense.
Jay Nixon is pretty much an idiot. No argument there. But he has no real connection to the university, and I doubt anybody at MU was happy when he started spouting off.
On #5, I can’t say I get that one. What exactly does ‘disappear when you don’t’ mean? That we don’t bow down on message boards afterwards and acknowledge your superiority? Not sure any fanbase does that- or should. I think you are cherry picking a few jerks and expanding that to the entire state/fanbase.
I also don’t get how living in Omaha makes you ‘hate KC’. I have heard lots of nice things about Omaha, except (and this is true, I’m not just being a jerk) that being a fan of any other B12 team and showing it gets you lots of nasty comments and looks. And this wasn’t MU fans, these were mild KSU fans that literally stopped wearing KSU gear because NU fans were such a-holes to them.
I certainly don’t expect you to like or respect MU anything, but I would recommend giving the state (specifically KC, my town) another chance. You’re shutting yourself off from some pretty cool things that (I assume, I don’t where Kennard is) are close. Nelson Atkins, professional sports, arts, WW1 museum, etc.
You are a good, nice Husker fan, despite your MU feelings, I will certainly give you that. Good luuu… err…. I hope things go wel…. umm…. have a nice Wednesday!
(And good work on this piece, too BHGP, go hawkeyes, etc. – really, I like you guys. Very intelligent fanbase, with a great sense of humor and zero arrogance)
Thanks
Yeah, the funny thing about race is that I promise I am the whitest Asian person you’ll ever meet. I was adopted, so if we’re going by socially constructed realities, I’m barely Asian… Still, I haven’t been a huge fan of the state. I don’t really hate KC too much either. My dad was such a staunch, “Omaha is the best city” person, that I grew an abnormal hatred for the city. I dislike getting lost everytime I go downtown, but that’s because the interstate isn’t labeled great… and I’m Asian, we can’t drive (see, now that’s the type of comments I can get behind).
Seriously, though. I know it’s not fair hatred towards a whole school, but that stupid run where I thought NU basketball had gotten over the hump forced hatred in all sports. Football became a secondary hate, and it was always fun to trash Missouri, and Missouri fans were fine about it.. until you beat us and they started saying how they’re far superior. It got old. I will give you this, I like KC far better than STL. The plaza and the Power and Light district are great places to kick it.
by KennardHusker on Jul 6, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
geez, NU BBall fan
I could see where you would get a bit annoyed. As a Royals fan, I understand. Just embrace the suck and live with it- aren’t you a Cubs fan? I thought you all had that crap down… :) And I think Doc ball will do much better in the B1G, style seems similar.
Any MU fan who said we were ‘far superior’ in Fball is/was an idiot. At the risk of feeding the ugly side of NU fandom, NU tradition is light years better. But my beef is that over the last 10 years or so, there isn’t a hell of a lot of difference, accomplishment-wise, between MU and NU. Two Norh titles, a lot of ten win seasons and bowls, but no B12 Championships, and no more than a hint of a NC shot. The North was pretty much even between the two schools, with whoever beat the other winning the division. Many NU fans have an absolute cow if you make that point, you get a rehash of NU history and how that somehow makes NU far superior to MU over the last ten years.
But you don’t seem to be one of those, so cheers… enjoy the B1G.
I'm also a Bills fan...
Yeah, I’m pretty much all in on the teams of the 90s. My dad loved the Bills because their fans were (are) awesome enough to show up to games despite it being negative degrees and snowbound. So losing is unfortunately in my DNA. I get much more angsty about the Cubs than any of them, though. No excuse a major market team sucks. It’s horrendous.
You are right about being similar this decade. As much as it pains me to admit, MU and NU were pretty much the two titans this decade in the north. That’s probably a sad state of affairs for the north considering neither did much with it. Good luck with all that. I’ll still root for you to beat the south teams sans Oklahoma. They’re still my (our…) favorites.
by KennardHusker on Jul 6, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
BHGP...
Bringing fans, NAY, entire states together.
Is this another Rambler/Ly “friendship” blossoming before our very eyes?
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 6, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Civil War
Does that happen before or after the (internet) marriage?
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 7, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't you hear?
That ended uncivilly.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 8, 2011 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Expecting a marriage to Rambler
to last was probably the mistake. He won’t be tied down. That’s why he’s a Rambler.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't like Mizzou
because I was at the 97 game in Columbia, I was in the 7th grade at the time, and after the game a tiger fan walked up to me and threw a beer at me, and I swear to god I was standing there waiting for our bus to pick us up, I’ve been to over 50+ husker road games and have never been treated worse then when I am in Columbia or Boulder.
Twitter - @ceek23
"I have to say I've worked very few days of my life. I used to have to cut the lawn, and when I was in junior high school, I worked at a concession stand at a stadium."
-Steve Nash
That's a good reason.
Some people (including some Iowa fans) need to tone it way down on the drunkenness at games.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
yea
not saying I haven’t met some of the coolest fans in the world in boulder and columbia, but a few bad apples…I’m really looking forward to seeing all the new places in the B1G
Twitter - @ceek23
"I have to say I've worked very few days of my life. I used to have to cut the lawn, and when I was in junior high school, I worked at a concession stand at a stadium."
-Steve Nash
Completely agree with your point about history CW.
I think people get the term ‘history’ confused with having a ‘storied program.’ Every school has history. They can’t all have winning ones. That doesn’t make their traditions any less worthy or their schools any less relevant today, especially with the leveling out of the playing field in the last decade or so.
For me, it’s like any other form of history of the world. It’s what you learn from the past and how you use it to shape your future for the better. Having a storied program is great, but don’t let it be the deciding factor about whether a program is worthy of your attention today. After all, people that are stuck living in the past, don’t tend to fair so well. Cough, Notre Dame, cough.
welcom to BHGP
your honesty is appreciated
come on over often
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
This comment is way to based in reality to be a Nebraska fan
WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH FAKE PELINI?!?!
"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney
by ClaybornSmash on Jul 5, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
One thing
First, thank you for being reasonable. Please father (or mother) as many young Nebraskans as possible and forbid their sensible little butts from using condoms so in 20 generations the down-to-earth Nebraska fan can once more rule the plains west of the Missouri.
Second, I think you misunderstand the prototypical Iowa fan: we are not all about the national recognition. Hell, I’d argue that many of us don’t really like it. When we started getting predictions putting us in the National Championship Game, most of my Hawkeye friends felt more anxious than proud. Call it low expectations, a lack of ambition, or a realistic assessment of how said NCG would likely have played out, it just didn’t feel… right. The feeling I get is that many Iowa fans just want to beat Iowa State, Ohio State, Northwestern, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan etc. and feel that the national stage would be awesome, but it isn’t the point.
Anyway, one of the reasons I hate (most) Nebraska fans ((not you)) because their condescending 5-natty-champs shtick seems to say ‘we are/were a national player and you should feel bad because you aren’t.’
Well we don’t. Fuck you (not you).
by TiltingAtDrewTateWindmills on Jul 5, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Too funny
You all are funny people. I’ve realized a few things as I’ve been learning about Iowa. 1) Council Bluffs is generally not a fair assessment of Iowa – trust me, that’s a good thing (Do NOT go to Carter Lake, it will just depress you and you’ll disown it like the rest of Iowa has) 2) As long as you are reasonable, all is well with Iowa fans 3) If you bring up alcohol, the world is a better place. Seriously, though, I like the passion. It’s a different perception than I originally had.
As for the reputation/respect thing. It’s not that I think you WANT to be recognized, but I do get the strong impression that you hate when your not. It’s kind of the, “Don’t hate me, but don’t love me” type of attitude. Nothing wrong with that, either. It’s just more of an observation. As for non-football sports. I like that you get behind everything. We do that here too. That’s why we sellout all of our volleyball matches, and we go to Track meets and Wrestling Duels. It’s just one of those things. They’ve tried to get more ‘professional’ around here, but it always goes back to college sports.
Also, I get that you have a lot of history too. I read a lot about Kinnick, and have heard a ton about the various eras. Y’all do it up right over there. Not to mention, Iowa City is one of the few places I don’t hate in Iowa (sorry in advance, I HATE the state of Iowa. My buddy introduced me to this girl he met as the guy who typifies hatred of other states. You’re definitely ahead of Kansas, Missouri, generally everything south of the Mason-Dixon, the Dakotas, Wyoming, and Utah… otherwise, I hate Iowa. I blame the random rednecks who thought it would be cool to call me too ‘gangsta’ for a white dude despite me not being white… long story).
All that to say, I’ll be on the boards. There will be days when I go off the handle, because that’s what fans do… Oh, and Texas sucks. There’s just not a whole lot more to say about that…
by KennardHusker on Jul 5, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
As Iowans
We don’t claim Counciltucky, and assuming it represents anything about Iowa is patently wrong.
Otherwise, it looks like you’ll fit in well here. Glad to have you.
Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.
Texas sucks big-time
For more than just UT.
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on Jul 8, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not reading anything you people write ever.
It has to be less than five sentences for me to write it.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 5, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Iowa just doesn’t have the cache to matter. I mean, don’t get me wrong, your fanbase is legit, . . . I’d be remiss to not point out that Iowa just doesn’t ‘move the needle’ when talked about outside… well, Iowa.
In this era of 15-second soundbites and “what-have-you-done-for-me-lately” this is Nebraska’s reality as well. That’s one of the things that bothers people about you all — you’re unaware of your national image.
What I cannot understand is why Iowa fans constantly insist on being validated by Nebraska fans. I recently was discussing football with a friend of mine, and he wouldn’t relent until I said that Iowa has been better than Nebraska as of late. Um, okay? Why did that matter? Neither team won a title in that period. Neither team was even in a title game in that period.
College football is about so much more than winning titles. I would love it if Iowa had five, sure, but prominence and relevance is not solely predicated on national championships. Your implicit standard of measure for what gives a team “consequence” or "validation — that they have to have a recent national title — is ludicrous. You’ll have a very disappointing lifetime of fandom if your definition of a truly successful season is one that ends with the championship trophy residing in Lincoln-Bluffs*
Good post, though.
*That’s right, Lincoln-Bluffs. Get used to it.
by The Final Gun on Jul 5, 2011 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been to Lincoln.
There are no bluffs.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 5, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, I couldn't give a shit less about validation by a Nebraska fan.
Nebraska fans must have an inflated sense of importance about their opinions in the life of Iowa fans.
ISU fans say that about us.
And I think they’re right. Pot and kettle, I suppose.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
ISU fans think I need their validation?
Is that what you are saying or that we think they need our validation? I wouldn’t mind if ISU lost all accredidation, was no longer a university and then burnt to the ground. (That might be an over exaggeration, I did feel bad when the campus flooded) So, I’m pretty sure I don’t need their validation and if they are looking to me for theirs they are barking up the wrong tree.
The second part
Nebraska Iowa fans must have an inflated sense of importance about their opinions in the life of Iowa ISU fans
The rational ones I’ve met think we’re crazy for painting ISU fandom as so decidedly “Beat Iowa”. Yes, it’s important to them, but it’s not the only game of the year. They don’t build their team to specifically beat Iowa, they don’t think a 1-11 season is good as long as they beat Iowa. It’s fun for us to do the “Little Brother” jokes but I’m sure it gets annoying to them.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Dan McCarney disagrees with you
of course, you used the qualifier “rational”
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields
You're right
I don’t think that a title is what it’s all about by any measure, but think about the original post for a second.
We’re approaching the 15-year anniversary of Nebraska’s most recent national championship, meaning it was almost a full generation ago. Of those “five national championships” Nebraska fans like to crow about, two of them are from 1970 and 1971, 40 years ago.
I was more trying to point out that even this post was trying to invalidate Nebraska by saying we haven’t been relevant because we didn’t win a title for fifteen years, but then I was turned on later by saying titles don’t matter. It’s true, you can be relevant without winning a title (i.e. Boise State and TCU… Let’s be honest, neither will win a title in the BCS era). And saying that Iowa fans need validation is a broad stroke that I don’t necessarily believe, but it does always seem like I hear something to the effect of, “but you don’t understand, we’re better than you,” on these boards and in real life. I’m pretty sure there are at least a few quotes on this thread that even say as much . I get that Iowa has probably been overall better for most of the last ten years. I still think we beat you in 2001, and probably contend any of the last three years (I understand that 2009 was your awesome year, but Suh might have had something to say about that).
Even more so, it’s probably less about validation and more back to respect. I constantly see Iowa fans COMPARE themselves to the Nebraska program. I don’t know what that means, but if you were truly okay with just being yourself without trying to get some form of respect, you wouldn’t even bother. Like I said earlier, it’s not good or bad, it just kind of is.
One last thing, Lincoln > Council Bluffs. There is no way around it. You cannot pretend to even compare the two. Have you been to Council Bluffs? I promise you would disown it after a very short stay. My friends from Council Bluffs actually are ashamed of living there. It’s terrible. I went to Des Moines last weekend and that was at least better, albeit a little ‘homogeneous’ for my liking. Still, CB is not equal to Lincoln.
by KennardHusker on Jul 6, 2011 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, I prefer not to be respected by Nebraska
It will just make the times that we beat you that much sweeter (one of my best friends is a Nebraska fan).
I constantly see Iowa fans COMPARE themselves to the Nebraska program. I don’t know what that means, but if you were truly okay with just being yourself without trying to get some form of respect, you wouldn’t even bother.
For me, it seems like anytime that I talk college football to Nebraska fans, I almost have to bring Nebraska into the equation somehow or they don’t even care. That means that anytime I talk about Iowa football I have to compare Iowa to Nebraska to even make them interested in the conversation. It’s almost like the college football world boils down to Nebraska and the current “big-name program of the year”, ie Florida, Texas, TCU or whoever else is in the top ten where Nebraska fans feel like their team should perpetually be placed. I really couldn’t care less about getting respect from Nebraska fans, but if you want to talk football with them at all you are forced to compare [insert football program name here] to Nebraska in order to have a conversation.
"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney
by ClaybornSmash on Jul 6, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Keep your friends close...
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t think Hawks have been acting perfectly in this thread either. Even people I respect on this blog are getting pretty lecture-y about behavior that they demonstrate all the time. Certainly looking forward to having some real results (from the modern era) to work with come November.
One last thing, Lincoln > Council Bluffs. There is no way around it. You cannot pretend to even compare the two. Have you been to Council Bluffs? I promise you would disown it after a very short stay. My friends from Council Bluffs actually are ashamed of living there. It’s terrible. I went to Des Moines last weekend and that was at least better, albeit a little ‘homogeneous’ for my liking. Still, CB is not equal to Lincoln.
Direct hit.
by The Final Gun on Jul 6, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
"Iowa just doesn’t ‘move the needle’"
We’ve enjoyed moving the needle for quite a few teams on or after New Year’s Day over the last decade or more. Just ask LSU, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia Tech, etc.
Once they played us, they became MUCH more aware of the Iowa program.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 5, 2011 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Iowa not relevant?
Ask the NFL about that. Recently they took more players out of Iowa than from Alabama. So Iowa split a national championship in the 1950’s, did they? Well, the ‘58 Iowa team won the natinal championship in the polls taken after the bowl games and they didn’t split it with anybody. The number 2 team wasn’t even close. They won the Walter Camp trophy, emblematic of the best team. Had polling been done properly back then, experts say the Hawks would have been number one across the board. They set Rose Bowl records that stood for decades. At least one still stands to this day. Yeah, they did lose a game, but remember in those days the Big Ten Conference played the best football in the country, probably because of great black athletes. Look back and you’ll see that the conference dominated the AP polls. Even Northwestern and Indiana were there. Iowa not relevant? Look at schools that recruit players with low character and low academics and are not kicked off the team. How many NCAA rules did Oklahoma under Switzer violate on any given day? Look at the unethical play of Florida State under Bowden, whose teams admittedly roughed up the quarterback and didn’t stop at the whistle but after the echo. Will Nick Fairley be ejected from NFL games because of disgusting behavior which he got away with in college? Look at the thugs of past Miami teams. Remember George Mira, Jr. and his steroid use? Speaking of which, in the book “Under the Tarnished Dome”, Dave Rimington and a half dozen other Nebraska players admitted to using steroids in their playing days. Look at the University of Sanctioned Cheating in California. Are they ever, ever going to play by the rules? BTW, did O.J. Simpson ever find a classroom? How many players from cheating schools graduate? All 26 Iowa players got their degrees. Iowa not relevant? Has anyone in the national sports media ever said anything positive about Pelini as a person? I think not! He’s been warned by his own university about his disgusting sideline behavior and his scowling, ranting temper tantrums. [And talk about sinfully ugly. Folks, I’m talking MAJOR UGLY.] Nebraska can have him. Kirk Ferentz has gotten many favorable comments and you don’t see Iowa coaches acting like boneheads. If schools were made to either play by the rules, or be properly punished when they don’t, a lot of these football low-lifes would be seen for what they are – not really so great and not much better than anyone else!
by StPeteHawkeys on Jul 7, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
sorry this is so big, but they call them the big whatevers

On Iowa
by keosahawkeye on Jul 5, 2011 4:48 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
holy shit fratman
that looks like the north end of the shoe
at tOSU
but you need to substitute “dumbenst” to “felonious”
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
for the farsighted... sorry about that wob

On Iowa
by keosahawkeye on Jul 5, 2011 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Are you stalking CW and me this year?
We will be making the PSU and UNL games this year. If you tell me you’re going to Iowa City for homecoming against Indiana I will get very nervous…
I think it is, in fact I think it ALL is about
respect. If Iowa beats Nebraska the way they beat Penn State I don’t think we will hear jack shit from the folks in red. The wackos never acknowledge reality anyway, so they don’t count. But those who live on the planet in Nebraska will give all the respect you could every wish for if we do a number on them ala Minnesota, Penn State or Iowa State (Fry era style or of late).
This is the fundamental issue with college football. It’s a fantasy game too often where the vote rules. Does anyone really think either Oregon or Auburn would have survived a playoff last year? I could not be happier for this to play out on the field. I am of the opinion that until we begin beating those fucks in Chicago they deserve all the respect they act like they deserve. It galls me to no end, but…scoreboard.
I fully expect Ferentz to own Pelini.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Please, never call Evanston "Chicago"
or I’m never coming back to Hills to watch an Iowa football game.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jul 5, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Gotta be rec'd.
I love geography.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Here is the thing about Iowa fans
We may not have a tradition as great as a Nebraska, Ohio St, Michigan, etc, but we do have traditions. Traditions that Hawkeye fans hold near and dear to their heart, and when others piss on our traditions we get riled up, just like Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan, etc fans do when their traditions get pissed on.
The university team that you root for doesn’t have to be rich in tradition to have pride, even lowly ISU, Indiana, Vanderbilt, etc have traditions and pride.
The beautiful thing about sports, football especially, is that every year your team of choice has a chance to deepen that tradition and pride.
Do I “hate” a team? No, Do I hate it when Iowa loses? Hell yeah I do, because I have pride in my team and I want them to win. So spare me the holier than thou bullshit and history lesson, such as:
“See, here’s the deal, while Nebraska fans may love their history, Iowa fans seem to love whatever is most convenient. You’re good now, apparently (although, what defines ‘good’… last title appearance? that’s what I thought), but when you’re down you talk about your history of doing football right. You hate on Nebraska for talking about their history making them relevant.”
Who gives a fuck, I don’t care about any other team than Iowa.
So in closing to quote some poster here on BHGP:
Fuck you, we’re Iowa!
Formerly known as SpoWAHawk
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by IAHawkfan4life on Jul 5, 2011 6:01 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
"Who gives a fuck, I don’t care about any other team than Iowa"
God bless you
and a rec
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz
by Blackheartnopants on Jul 5, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you
and God bless you, too!
Formerly known as SpoWAHawk
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by IAHawkfan4life on Jul 6, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
As a former resident of NW Iowa
and i liked Sioux City better than anyplace i ever lived
i have to share this,,,,
its 84 -
i am still drinking
my quota was 20 a day whether i needed it or not
at the time, Sioux City was dry on Sunday
across the bridge in South Sioux
forgive me not remembering the name
anyway it was the first bar
you think i would waste gas looking for bud?
the guy played tapes of Husker football games
and thats all he played
i made it known i was a hawk fan
and was tolerated
because i contributed significantly
to the local economy
once a week whether i needed it or not
and augie busch didnt go out of business
when i quit drinking
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
Huh.
As a former resident of NW Iowa
and i liked Sioux City better than anyplace i ever lived
This is the weirdest thing you have ever written on BHGP.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Jul 5, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And that is saying something.
"GO HAWKS!" - only cure for Hawkeye Envy
by BentNotBroken on Jul 5, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
That's going in
Mrs. Cougill’s upcoming book, “Love Poems about the Sewer City.”
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Sioux_City#Bad_things_about_Sioux_City
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
FTR
I was in SC long before the Cougs
when lower thirdwas something
before it was moved by the city fathers to lower 7th
and sometime i will tell ramlber the cause
of the unique twang in the SC accent
has all to do with the civil war
and navigation of the missouri
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
Holy shit would I love an extended OhioHawk-Rambler discussion
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just saw something about this on OTE,
seems fitting in a jNL thread:
http://www.omaha.com/article/20110705/NEWS/110709909#nu-reports-violations-over-books
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
With Nebraska joining the Big 10, this is the rivalry in the Big 10 that will heat up I think...
boarder states, a decent amount of history for teams in different conferences with 41 games played, and genuine hate coming out as we get close to football season.
"Fast Eddie: No bar?
Cashier: No bar, no pinball machines, no bowling alleys, just pool... nothing else. This is Ames, mister."
From the movie--The Hustler
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Boarder states?
As in inn-keepers or pirates?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jul 5, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
doh, lol; you are a Hawkeye--if you want to roll with it, I'll let you decide who the pirates are and who the inn-keepers are :)
"Fast Eddie: No bar?
Cashier: No bar, no pinball machines, no bowling alleys, just pool... nothing else. This is Ames, mister."
From the movie--The Hustler
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
They hang inn keepers in Westeros
I CAN’T QUIT GAME OF THRONES!
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz
by Blackheartnopants on Jul 5, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
As I type this
I’m 5 minutes removed from having read a shocking sequence that takes place a little more than halfway through book three. I’m just…fuuuuuuuck.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jul 5, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I quit the ESPN bio for George R.R. Martin
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz
by Blackheartnopants on Jul 5, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you seen
this? It’s fun.
I read somewhere, TV Guide maybe, that season two is not going to follow the books as closely as season one did.
by Carfino'sWay on Jul 5, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That can't be good,can it?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Five books, five seasons? Or three or four seasons?
The books are worth the work, but Mr. and Mrs. TV America may not want to put in the effort.
But please, no Ewoks.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz
by Blackheartnopants on Jul 5, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
it's supposed to be a 7-book series
i dont see how hefinishes two more books before the next five years
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
the only thing this rivalry needs now is
some “fuck big red” shirts…or fbr to keep it simple
30 dollars...what do you need 20 dollars for?!?
by blackheartgoldurine on Jul 5, 2011 8:16 PM CDT reply actions
I think we can get more creative thant that.
Maybe like “There’s no cure for Husk’erpes.”
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 5, 2011 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
bo pelini has AIDS
is subtle enough, but gets the point across
30 dollars...what do you need 20 dollars for?!?
by blackheartgoldurine on Jul 6, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's not fair to make people with AIDS feel bad like that.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 6, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is a resemblance:


We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lmao
as a husker fan if I saw someone wearing this shirt I would laugh my ass off and buy them a beer.
Twitter - @ceek23
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-Steve Nash
These guys from the Cold War may have been onto something

"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Jul 6, 2011 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I like it.
Although, I guess maybe we don’t need Iowa fans being associated with McCarthyism?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
J'Accuse
Notice how in the last two HATE threads, the one called Patrick Vint has been quite conspicuous in his absence. I have in the past quite strongly wondered if he holds status as a closet Nebraska partisan. His silence of late speaks volumes.
I accuse Patrick Vint of supporting Nebraska! I accuse him furthermore of engaging in wanton trysts with the members of Corn Nation!
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
I really, really enjoy the word "wanton".
That is all.
Perpetually living between the click of a light and the start of a dream.
Because it makes you hunger for Chinese food?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jul 5, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
That joke was chow funny
wokka wokka
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields
It's a great word
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz
by Blackheartnopants on Jul 5, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Charges of treason against such a high officer require the formal form: Toi.
J’Accuse Toi, Rambler, of consorting too closely with one you perceive to be a traitor
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 5, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually the formal form is vous
Je vous accuse de ne pas connaître le français.
SHIT. It's been a while.
a plus tard, Frenchman.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 6, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I actually think Nebraska vs Iowa Rivalry will really boost Iowa on a national level
but then again, we beat a top 5 Penn State team twice in a row and won 8 of 9 games and still somehow no one cared.
I think the only way we get there is by winning a National title………sigh……..a guy can dream
by justsomehawkeyefan on Jul 6, 2011 12:14 AM CDT reply actions
We've been within striking distance a couple of times.
2002 (ranked #3 going into bowl season), and 2009 (until Wooten-pacolypse).
Give Ferentz time, and I’d say he has as good a shot as anyone does to get Iowa to play for the crystal football.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree...
And hopefully he will be just as good at keeping Nebraska from getting a shot to do the same. To me at this point, that is almost as important..I can’t imagine having to hear about that for the rest of my years.
by Put Down the Haterade on Jul 6, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Thinking of the Tressyvest pics
can you imagine how uncomfortable Kirk would look holding the crystal football?
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 6, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep, and I'd like to see it first-hand to be sure!
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Nope.
That will be the day when Kirk let’s loose. He’ll probably start up twitter, facebook, and myspace accounts later that night just to show pics of him playing catch with the Sears Trophy football while he’s drinking yard-long cups of Hawkeye Vodka.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
You're saying that KF is a refined Don Draper?
Wait, what?
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Jul 6, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
In my own personal fantasy world
I like to think of KF’s awe-shucks facade as only a ruse, and behind the scenes he is a maniacal genious, who loves a good drink…..and prank phone calls.
We're gonna go America all over their asses!
Draper only drank the Old Fashioned in a pinch or at a restaurant.
More often, I seem to see him drinking bourbon or scotch. And there was that one episode where he just hit the beer really hard (and then drove out to get more beer and something that Betty needed from the store?)
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
And with Conrad Hilton.
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Jul 7, 2011 5:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
I think he was in a pinch there, because they were in that room with a bar that had not been well-stocked (was that at Roger’s house, or at a country club? I can’t remember).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 7, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure it was at a sort of a country club.
And yes, it was kinda of a pinch, wasn’t it? Well then, I retract my original theory.
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Jul 7, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
It was Roger’s country club. Conrad was there for a wedding, and Don was there for Roger’s party with his new, young, wife. The bar was untended so Don made he and Conrad a drink, which Conrad appreciated.
Now I want to own a country club.
I’d call it the Black and Gold Clubhouse and there would be two golf courses on the premises. One would require the conservativeness of Kirk Ferentz, while the other would require the aggressiveness and intensity of Dan Gable.
And each hole would have something to do with a former Hawkeye player. For example, Kingsbury’s hole would be a dogleg around a watering hole of sorts.
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Jul 8, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I am 100% on board with being an investor in this.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 8, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Could there be an Andre Woolridge hole
that has so many hills, it feels like it “broke your ankles”?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 8, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Where can I sign up to be an investor in this?!?
"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney
by ClaybornSmash on Jul 9, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Eddie Po would not make it through that celebration.
Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 6, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
He'd die doing what he loved, though.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Jul 7, 2011 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I think some consistency would help.
A National title would do wonders, don’t get me wrong, but starting the season as a top 10 possible outside national champion contender and then shitting the bed the last half of the season doesn’t help your street cred much. Why would the casual fan care to learn about Iowa? The, what seems to be, cyclical nature of Iowa football does not help matters. A couple good seasons followed by a a couple down seasons doesn’t keep Iowa in the spotlight so people forget about the team.
I cared
A lot.
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
She cared too

"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney
by ClaybornSmash on Jul 6, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
We're a caring bunch of losers
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
If i read as much in school...
As i did on this site, I might have been smart enough to go to Harvard…Who am i kidding, F*CK YOU WERE IOWA.
by Put Down the Haterade on Jul 6, 2011 9:43 AM CDT reply actions
My reason for hating the Cornholers
We grew up in north central Iowa (Algona). I have a sister who is obnoxiously opinionated. I could say the sky is blue and she would say, “No. It’s azure.” Also, one of those people who loves to tell others how they should live thier lives.
She moved to Omaha and joined the cult. I love to tell her what a turncoat she is. Her misery (when they lose) is my joy.
It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.
by FiveSecondRuleChef on Jul 6, 2011 8:09 PM CDT reply actions
How long ago did you live in Algona?
I’m from around that area too (kinda).
We're gonna go America all over their asses!
Graduated High School on 81. Came back in 2001
Owned Sister Sarah’s Restaurant and Bar (HOME OF THE WORLD’S LARGEST CHEETO). Owned it for 10 years. Sold it last year – flat ass broke but not in debt, a miracle.
It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.
by FiveSecondRuleChef on Jul 7, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Just one sister that tells you how to live?
I have got 6 older sisters that tell me how to live all the time. Every time I get a Birthday card, Christmas Card, Anniversary Card, Thanksgiving Card, Valentines Card, Whatever Card, there is a sermon in it and how I am not living by God’s command. They say this because I like to drink beer every now and then and because I don’t go to church on Sundays, and God forbid that I smoke.
Wow where did that come from?
Formerly known as SpoWAHawk
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by IAHawkfan4life on Jul 7, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
A tip of the cap to you, sir, for what you have to deal with.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 7, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Your sisters sound like a total drag
by Captain n Diet Coker on Jul 7, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
They are
I don’t write them, I don’t go see them, and I only call one of them, because she lives with my Dad as his caretaker.
However, since my Dad is 83 and not sure how much longer he will be around, I am taking my family down to see him for Thanksgiving and all my sisters will be there. One of them said my family and I could stay at their house. I immediately replied, no fucking way, we will be at a hotel.
Formerly known as SpoWAHawk
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by IAHawkfan4life on Jul 7, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
As someone who grew up watching Army football, through a family connection
I resent being lumped into the groups of fans who rest upon their historical accomplishments. While the black-and-white highlight reels are certainly trotted out by whichever network is carrying Army/Navy each year, I do not think it’s comparable to the emphasis/arrogance demonstrated by some of the other programs mentioned (ND in particular).
Army fans have long ago resigned themselves to the fact that the wishbone era is over and these days they’d be more than happy to be competitive every few years. beat Navy and win some bowl games. They do not share the delusions of grandeur found in other historically successful programs.
Things might turn around for them if they got a really good coach,
and if we ever get to the point where we aren’t fighting two or three foreign wars at a time, again.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
You bring up an interesting point
A few years ago, they had a linebacker (possibly?) who was drafted in the later rounds, and there was a big debate over if he could defer his service for a few years in order to play. The eventual decision from the Army was NO, and he would have to serve first before reporting to any teams. Not exactly a boon to recruiting, especially considering the academic requirements of the service academies.
Yes.
They should be more flexible.
But, I think Navy made David Robinson do his year or two of service before going to the NBA.
Also, if a guy goes to the NFL and shreds a knee, how much active service can he give to the Army after that?
Unfortunately, they almost need to (and maybe they still do) have a traveling team to play some sports at various bases. I think this is what they did during WWII, and maybe Korea. That way, a guy could play football, stay in shape, maybe avoid injury, and maybe stay out of the line-of-fire. I don’t know if people would complain about unfairness, or not (hopefully not since we don’t use a draft for the armed services anymore).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
My main point is if Army starts out 3 or 4 -0
Very little notice is paid. If ND starts out with the same record, the reanimated corpse of Lou Holtz is already drawing up national title plans on the worldwide leader.
In fairness,
Notre Dame’s schedule, for their first 4 games, tends to be a bit more stout than that of Army.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree - but I think that's partially a result of Army's conference jumping the past few years
This might be naive, but I don’t think there are many D-1 programs that would turn down a series with Army.
As a side note, if you ever get the chance to see a game at Michie Stadium, I highly recommend it. It’s a tremendous experience in a beautiful stadium.
I've always heard good things about their stadium/atmosphere.
As for the conference-jumping, you may be right. Also, Notre Dame doesn’t have a conference, but they also don’t have a ton of early scheduling flexibility, as they usually play Michigan, Mich St and Purdue in the first 4 or 5 games of the year. And if you win those games, it will make you look good for the polls.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 6, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Except for the years when both Michigan and ND enter the game with no wins
Those are the best years for Purdue fans.
Fair enough.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 7, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
My father is a USMA grad living in NC
And they’ve played Wake Forest a few times since he’s been down there. At this point, I think most programs would see Army as a “tune-up” game. I think it would do benefit to the program to face some bigger opponents and get the experience, rather than facing (no offense) UAB ever year.
I always thought Army faced 5 or 6 decent opponents per year.
Navy and Air Force are usually pretty decent. Notre Dame is rarely horrible. And just last year, Army played Temple and Rutgers (Rutgers wasn’t good, but I’m guessing they didn’t really anticipate that when the schedule was made, and maybe vice-versa for Temple [they didn’t know Temple would be decent when the put them on the schedule]?)
But yes, this year’s Army schedule doesn’t exactly look like a guantlet:
http://www.goarmysports.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/army-m-footbl-sched.html
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 7, 2011 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey! jNW!
They show up in the strangest places.
And they stand out, in Armani.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 7, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate Beano Cook
but I’ve always respected his historical perspective and experiences. He absolutely adores Michie Stadium and John Feinstein’s book, “A Civil War”, only made my desire to visit that more intense.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jul 9, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, Notre Dame would have been a better example there than Army.
Sorry about that.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah, I was thrown by Army's inclusion over Notre Dame
but mostly because I originally read the sentence as
You know which other fanbases put as much emphasis on
victories that oldcovering up coach negligence in student deaths resulting from unsafe conditions and suicides resulting from half-assed investigations of player-perpetrated rape?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jul 9, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, I already used Notre Dame there anyway.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Should hate a team that owns you and the midwest national spotlight. Stay in the shadow because husker fans hate iowa fans just as much, for being assholes. Have a good day. keep up the jealous posts.
Why should we be jealous
of a team that is usually referred to as a “has-been” or a “bowl-choker”?
Some Iowa fans may be assholes, but we’re the fun, good-natured type. You guys, however, just angry and arrogant.
Have a good time at the Ticket-City Bowl this year, Omaohtz.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 10, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Um, I think this pretty much proves Ross's point
so thank you!
Also, where was the jealousy?
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Jul 11, 2011 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps we are jealous of
Nebby’s Holiday Bowl loss? That IS something Iowa has never done (we have two wins and a tie in the Holiday Bowl).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jul 11, 2011 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
eeeeffff....
He is so right, i’m such an ass…and i hate not being in the midwest national spotlight…Oh what ever will i do….(queue Fake Pelini and his violin)
But seriously though, the only reason Nebraska is getting any attention is because there coming into the Big 10. If they weren’t…nobody would give two craps about them, including this forum as far as i can tell.
Football, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. Not all holes, or games, are created equal.
by Put Down the Haterade on Jul 12, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, tell us how you really feel
Wow! You know what’s funny? Many Nebraska fans respected Iowa and actually rooted for them as an upset favorite when watching the Big-10, from outside. I actually liked Iowa, until I read shit like this. ’Nother funny thing…your record against us. You guys talk like this because you have an inferiority complex. When you have 5 to 10 good seasons in 100 years, you tend to get a big head a little too early. We had 3 losing seasons in 50 years…who else has done that, and that includes the Fagahan erra. And, up to jackass Calahan taking over and destroying our history in his first season, we averaged 2 losses a year since 1961.
Only 9 times since 1962 have we not been in the Top #20 of the final AP poll, and only 8 of those were Not-Ranked. You guys have ONLY BEEN RANKED 21 times in your whole history! So, before you get your little, BigRed-headed, step child panties in a bunch after a couple of good years, RECOGNIZE! You have NO consistency…none! We own you, and we took your name like we will take your pride.
waterloochazz
wow congrats, we have the shut out in the holiday bowl, whats your point. You guys lost to the worst team in a AQ conference, minnesota hahahah. As for known as the “has-beens”, good luck with that. Who finished ranked last year, sure as fuck wasn’t iowa.
worst team in a AQ conference
I think you may have mistaken Minnesota for Washington State or Vanderbilt or Wake Forest or Duke.
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Jul 16, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions























