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Anthony Hubbard Leaving Iowa, Apparently

According to the University of Iowa Athletic Department, incoming point guard and Jess Settles age-alike contest winner Anthony Hubbard is transferring:

Junior college transfer Anthony Hubbard will transfer to another institution, the UI Athletics Department announced today.

Hubbard signed a National Letter of Intent to play basketball at the UI last spring. He is eligible to play two seasons at an NCAA Division I institution.

"Obviously, we're disappointed. We invested a substantial amount of time and energy in the recruitment of Anthony. The positive is that we learn today of Anthony's decision versus learning of it in August or September," said UI men's basketball coach Fran McCaffery.

"I truly appreciate the tremendous opportunity Coach McCaffery, the basketball staff and everyone at the University of Iowa provided me. The community and the school and the people were fantastic. However, at this time, I plan to work with my junior college coach and family to select another school perhaps closer to home," said Hubbard.

UI Director of Athletics Gary Barta said the UI has released Hubbard from his commitment with no restrictions or conditions. He can transfer to the institution of his choosing.

"I am disappointed for Fran, our staff and the other staff on our campus that were involved from the start on what was clearly a very unique recruiting process. It's unfortunate it hasn't worked out as we had hoped. We, of course, wish Anthony the very best," said Barta.

Hubbard's homesickness is peculiar, given his age and background and the fact that his final two schools were reportedly Iowa and Nebraska.  However, there has been no mention of any trouble off the court and some glowing reviews on it, so there isn't another obvious cause for his decision.  Regardless, given the amount of political capital he had to spend to get Hubbard enrolled, Fran has to be enraged.  And we know how Fran can be when he's enraged.

So goodbye Anthony Hubbard.  We hardly knew ye.

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Yeah, it seems like an odd reason to me too.


"Oh, glorious cheeseburger, we bow to thee. The secrets of the Universe are between the buns."

by Bucketochicken on Jul 14, 2011 4:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, we're all kind of used to this shit by now, aren't we?

So the story goes.
The song remains (not quite) the same (but you see what I mean).

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 14, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

Hubbard is the last person I would have expected to not be a part of the team this year. Not entirely sure what to make of this…

"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney

by ClaybornSmash on Jul 14, 2011 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Does Hubbard have a black eye right now?

Maybe Melsahn punched him for not paying the cable bill.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 14, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

This thought was the first to cross my mind.

"West Texas seems to be full of fake boobs providing a comfortable shade for well-developed pot bellies" - Lycurgus (06/24/2011)

by BStylin Hawkye on Jul 14, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

If this were the case I cam pretty certain

they would have put restrictions on the transfer.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Jul 15, 2011 6:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he is still being recruited by a school after he has, I'm assuming, already enrolled at Iowa that is not okay.

Maybe I’m naive but If he contacted another school that is one thing but if other schools are contacting him I don’t think that should be allowed.

One of the things that I find odd is the Morehouse tweet where Hubbard said he was going to work w/ his juco coach to find a school perphaps closer to home. To me the use of the word perphaps implies distance from home isn’t his only concern.

by Carfino'sWay on Jul 15, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

might just be dumb athlete speak

but I agree. I don’t see how he could enroll at iowa, on scholarship, and then get a release from an LOI. I’d think you once take one class, you’d be transferring from that school

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 15, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did he take the make-up class at UI,

or did he take it through Kirkwood or online?

Also, if I were Fran, you can bet your sweet ass I’d put a restriction on his release saying he can’t play in the Big Ten.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

The one thing that I can take away from this

is that there won’t be as big of a logjam for shooting guard/small forward minutes. I am disappointed that he is not staying, as it seemed like he was welcomed with open arms. Good luck to the guy.

We're gonna go America all over their asses!

by ninerhawk on Jul 14, 2011 4:21 PM CDT reply actions  

There is that.

I think it also makes it less likely that either McCabe or White redshirt this year.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jul 14, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't even think about redshirts

Damn, that would have been nice.

We're gonna go America all over their asses!

by ninerhawk on Jul 14, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Redshirting is pretty rare in basketball.

It sounds like White’s ready to play now and McCabe doesn’t strike me as someone that would be well-served by a redshirt year. He’s not someone that needs to put on weight. Also, I would imagine players are less thrilled about redshirting after having played as a freshman.

"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."

by SomeJerkPoster on Jul 14, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I always thought it would be Oglesby and McCabe.

I agree tht McCabe wasn’t going to make any huge improvement, but he wasn’t going pro, probably anywhere, when he was done. Iowa is obviously (to me) going to be better and better as the years come on, so (again, in my opinion) sacrificing an 18 win NIT year for a 20+ win NCAA tourney year is something to consider. If you’re Iowa, what do you care… he’s not that HUGE of a part of the team. And if you’re him, why not get an extra year of free schooling?

I agree that White wasn’t likely as he seems to be probably the best true low-post threat (however awkward it looks).

I do think Oglesby could have got a lot of improvement as a ball-handler. It would just depend on how much they thought they would miss his shooting.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 14, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh. Fran got Licked.

Any chance we pick up another player now? I know it’s reeeeeeeeeeal late, but I think we picked up Cartwright last June.

"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."

by SomeJerkPoster on Jul 14, 2011 4:25 PM CDT reply actions  

It is bizarre timing

if we do end up using a schollie on somebody else (which I think is very unlikely), I hope it is a big man or a PG.

We're gonna go America all over their asses!

by ninerhawk on Jul 14, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather they didn't

At this point it would just be wasting a scholarship for the sake of having another body, I can’t imagine there’s anyone worthwhile still out there. Cartwright is the exception, not the rule.

by NorseHawk on Jul 14, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know what this means, right, Norse?

B-STUBBS BE ROLLIN’ ON SCHOLARSHIP DOLLAS NOW.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jul 14, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha, I literally made this comment farther down

The B-Stubbs train cannot be stopped WOOO WOOO MOTHERFUCKERS

by NorseHawk on Jul 14, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't blame Fran for being pissed

they got behind this guy 100%, and now he backs out.
Not that he’ll show it publicly, but this has got to hurt

It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Jul 14, 2011 4:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

ck. This is bad. I may be giving too much credit to his play in the PTL, but he was really impressive there. I was pretty sure he would have started and provided us with some much needed quickness off the dribble. Plus his defense and rebounding were excellent.

I don’t know, I’m a little pissed. His spot could have gone to someone else, and July is pretty late in the game to drop out. I guess he really, really, really didn’t like North Liberty. Which I get, but still.

by Horace E. Cow on Jul 14, 2011 4:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Did someone explain to him that N Liberty is not IC/Coralville?

Or did somebody find him some of those “ladies that fall out of the sky” that DJK was talking about?

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Off topic, but

what “ladies” was DJK talking about? I didn’t hear about that, and am now curious.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 14, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe Chazz is referring to the interview that RunDJK did with Murph & Andy

where he made allusions to the women at the U of I that may have been, shall we say, “Jersey Chasers” and how they had a propensity to fall out of the sky and onto him and other players

Ok, but on the way we've gotta stop by a toy store and at least get him a stuffed animal, something. It's like...meowschwitz in there. -Sterling Archer

by The Nihilist on Jul 14, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well this sucks.

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by HawkeyeBoiler on Jul 14, 2011 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

How do you get home sick when your use to prison? Might be a bit harsh but stilllllll come onnnnnnnnnnnn

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Jul 14, 2011 4:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe he misses prison?

"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."

by SomeJerkPoster on Jul 14, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then start robbing banks, but give us a year of hoops, god-damnit!

/yes, I’m kidding.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

So Basically Iowa got all this PR for going out on a limb

and giving a scholarship to an ex Felon….and now they don’t get the chance to show why they did it

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Jul 14, 2011 4:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Unbelievable.

Especially considering how the UofI seemingly went out on a limb for him with tremendous support. Baffling.

I would agree that somehow I think he ends up somewhere even more high profile.

They say you're a pitcher, you're sure not much of a dresser. We wear caps and sleeves on this level, son.

by isHawkeye on Jul 14, 2011 4:42 PM CDT reply actions  

There was a metric fuckton of neck stuck out by several people for this man to just leave in July.

I’m not really buying the homesick angle, and I almost think it’s worse if it’s true. He’s 25 and obviously aware of his situation and the risks taken by multiple people to make him a part of this team. Backpedaling in July is total bullshit. Unless he’s worried about leaving a support system that he sees as the only thing keeping him out of the clink, it’s damn weak. If that is the case why in the fuck do you sign a LOI in the first place?

At this point I agree with Mexican’t on him trading up in schools. It’ll be interesting and possibly rage inducing to see where he ends up

by 9isEnough on Jul 14, 2011 4:48 PM CDT reply actions  

completely agree

In the end though I’m glad he’s not becoming a Hawkeye given his lack of commitment and sincerity. You don’t put forth that kind of energy and money unless you have a locked in commitment from an individual. He went back on his word and left. End of story.

by Squawkeye on Jul 15, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hawkeye Insider is speculating

but he’d said early on that he was strongly considering Penn State, but was one class short of qualifying. He might have covered that class this summer at UI.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jul 14, 2011 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

If that's the truth

then I feel used. And dirty. But mostly used.

We're gonna go America all over their asses!

by ninerhawk on Jul 14, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would be complete

BS to use Iowa in that way if true.

They say you're a pitcher, you're sure not much of a dresser. We wear caps and sleeves on this level, son.

by isHawkeye on Jul 14, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

That'd be pretty unchill.

I don’t like the idea of Penn State beating Iowa again.

by The Mexican't on Jul 14, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again?

What, are you counting 2007?

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jul 14, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would be very surprised if this was the case.

No restrictions on his release, different coaching staff at PSU.

If it is true, I hope Basabe tomahawk dunks his face off.

"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."

by SomeJerkPoster on Jul 14, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

If he uses this opportunity..

To transfer to Penn State. I will be that guy heckling him all game long when he visits CHA. His next move is certainly interesting.. gotta feel awful for Fran.

"And after it was all over, he took us in the house and served us pancakes... pancakes." - Charlie Murphy

by Podolak Pimpin' on Jul 14, 2011 5:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I will joing you in the heckling.

We can call ourselves “Hubbard’s Homeboys” and dress like this:

And any lady Hawkeye fans are welcome to join us, I just humbly request that your attire consist of:

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Right back at you, buddy.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

The American prison system is a fucking disaster and there’s nothing funny about a kid fucking up and winding up there. Nor should a kid who by all accounts has learned from his mistakes and is trying to get his life back on track be mocked for it. It would be dumb if he’d been a Hawkeye and opposing fans did it and it will be dumb if we do it because he dared to play for a different school.

by NorseHawk on Jul 14, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Boo hoo.

Don’t want to go to prison? Don’t help robbers.

And maybe you can’t tell, but I’m joking about 3/4 of the time.

At the same time, I kind of hope Iowa is “smart enough” to not just let Hubbard jump ship over to PSU.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

You seem to consistently fail to grasp that jokes are supposed to be funny

Anyway, the kid has more than paid his debt to society (even the guy they robbed says that he doesn’t blame Hubbard) and by all accounts is a different, better person now. He should be commended for getting his life on track and trying to do something with it, not mocked for his past because he dribbles a fucking basketball for someone else. This story is way bigger than sports.

by NorseHawk on Jul 14, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know some people don't care for my "jokes."

But, if we want to eliminate unfunny jokes from the comments around here, I think there will be about 45% less comments.

And next, why do we need to commend people for getting back to a point that everyone should try to be at at all times? I don’t hate this kid, but I’m not going to bow down because he’s overcome his past.

To be honest, I probably wouldn’t actually heckle the kid, but there are a ton of people who will. And now, Iowa looks pretty bad because of the whole situation.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why, and to whom, does Iowa look bad?

And no, no one’s looking to eliminate unfunny jokes. We’re just making our fun at that expense. duh.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 14, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well,

it didn’t look good to anyone when Lick was losing recruits to transferral. Not good to Iowa fans, not good to recruits, not good to media, not good to anyone, really.

Same deal here.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not the same thing to me.

This guy was never here and never a part of the program. They don’t get to practice and interact with the coaches. There’s a big difference between, to me (and most?), between a guy who changes his mind at the last second without ever being a part of the program and a guy who was a part of it and didn’t like it.

It’s obvious to most fans when guys leave after a year or two. I don’t think ANYONE will notice that a guy who was never part of the team is now gone.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 14, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stuff like this happened to Alford,

and it certainly didn’t help him.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

It may make outsiders think that Iowa City is a place that folks-not-from-Iowa don't want to live (the whole "culture" bullshit).

But I think that’s about it for damage.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 14, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't really see UI as looking bad per se,

just a little gullible, maybe. It’d be a shitload helluva lot worse had he stayed and been busted for breaking into people’s cars or whatever. Or even just turned out to be terrible at basketball.
As it is, the only party who really looks bad here is Anthony Hubbard.


"Oh, glorious cheeseburger, we bow to thee. The secrets of the Universe are between the buns."

by Bucketochicken on Jul 14, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is becoming the norm in college basketball, shopping every year for the best school/opportunity

It is not affecting only Iowa. It’s amazing that this guy pulled this after all the hoop-jumping, but this is going to continue for the foreseeable future to the basketball program. Annoying, but we’ll survive.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 14, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Free agency killed pro sports for me

and now it’s killing college too.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 14, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're not a very good hippie sometimes.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 15, 2011 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even with free agency,

the upper class still owns the means of production.

Now, it just means some of those owners will claim they are too poor to be competitive. And there are salary caps too.

Finally, the real test of whether or not Eyeheart is a good hippie, is whether or not he can still get food at Hop Singh’s.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, same here, pretty much.

Except for hockey. And even then it’s only during the playoffs that I even tune in. Wait, does hockey even have FA? Eh, whatever.


"Oh, glorious cheeseburger, we bow to thee. The secrets of the Universe are between the buns."

by Bucketochicken on Jul 15, 2011 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

Hubbard is the one who looks bad here, to an extent just now. But if he does end up at Penn State like suggested above and used us for a class, excuse me but thats morally fucked up on his part considering how the University got behind him when many others wouldn’t.

by SeeYouJimmy on Jul 15, 2011 3:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

WaterlooChazz is a stick in the mud.

And he is constantly trying to be funny when he rarely is. Of course, the joke is on him, though, as we consistently laugh at his outrageous and ridiculous opinions. So when he’s trying to be funny, he actually is; he just doesn’t realize that we’re laughing at him, and not with him.

:)

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 14, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure some people are laughing at me.

And I’ll take that, too.

But I don’t think everyone laughs AT me.

Some of them are sleeping, because you’ve recently commented about your college sports career.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never hada college sportscareer.

If only you paid attention…. AAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 14, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry dude.

Are my jokes really that awful?

At this point, I’ll politely offer a draw/agreement to disagree.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

You did have a good point up there Chazz

There’s no reason to commend Hubbard for getting his life back on track. I don’t feel like I need to be commended for not doing anything illegal, why should he? It’s a nice story and it’s nice to see what he’s done with his life because rarely does the “justice system” ever work so that part of it is nice.

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Jul 14, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't sweat it.

I’ve come to the conclusion that Norse and Tyger are much like my annoying older sister. Always telling peope how to live thier life.

Sports blogs are supposed to be full of jokes. This isn’t supposed to be deep thinking social commentary. Just ignore them. I find you entertaining.

It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.

by FiveSecondRuleChef on Jul 14, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION!

Do you think he is funny or not?

Let’s try to stay focused here people.

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Jul 14, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I will try to make smarter choices in my life.

It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.

by FiveSecondRuleChef on Jul 14, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah,

I don’t mind being called unfunny. But I do kind of get pissed when people act like BHGP is a law library, and i just walked in and took a dump in the corner.

If I want to hang out at a Hawkeye message board with a bunch of assholes, who take things too seriously, I have plenty of options. I hang out here at BHGP because I can make some jokes while I read about the Hawks. It’s American. I think Stanzi would support it.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it would be funny if you took a dump in the corner of a law library.

Of course, I don’t understand why it is so en vogue to tell you you aren’t funny or chastise you for it, so there’s that.

by Carfino'sWay on Jul 14, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

This.

All of it. This.

(Chazz, thanks for the great mental picture of you dropping a loaf amid civil law books, or whatever. I really did laugh.)

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 14, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Granted I haven't been in the law building

but I would guess that the rooms within it have corners. If not and the rooms are round now I kind of wish I would have ventured in.

by Carfino'sWay on Jul 15, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Meh.

You move a table to a perpendicular position to a bookshelf, and…

instant corner to shit in.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bad Chazz! Not in the house! *hits Chazz in the nose with a rolled up newspaper*

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Jul 14, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chazz I'd prefer the old school.

Black and white stripes for attire if you’re cool with that? (joking people, chill the F out) But seriously if he does that, shame on him.

"And after it was all over, he took us in the house and served us pancakes... pancakes." - Charlie Murphy

by Podolak Pimpin' on Jul 14, 2011 6:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I thought about that,

but then I saw the picture of the lady in the orange jump-suit, and I wanted everything to match.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well played good sir.

"And after it was all over, he took us in the house and served us pancakes... pancakes." - Charlie Murphy

by Podolak Pimpin' on Jul 14, 2011 11:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

If that's the case

then releasing him with no restrictions was stupid. At least make sure he doesn’t play in conference

It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Jul 14, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

WTF?

That’s about all I have on this one.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 14, 2011 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Water The Flowers? Wreck The Fords? Wrestle The French?

I’m confused.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jul 14, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you not from Iowa?

It is obviously “Walk the Fields.” No need for the soybeans to get all weedy.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why The Face

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 14, 2011 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Withdraw The Foreskin


"Oh, glorious cheeseburger, we bow to thee. The secrets of the Universe are between the buns."

by Bucketochicken on Jul 14, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Withdraw the forward? (Hubbard transfer)

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Win the Fight

I really like the foreskin one. There’s a lot of fun things you can do with the foreskin(in this case)

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Jul 15, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know I mentioned this once WAY back when.

But no one seemed to think it an issue, so I didn’t harp on it. But the guy left a TX JUCO to go closer to home, so we shouldn’t have been surprised that he was homesick/indecisive. Well, maybe surprised, but not astonished. His statements at the time (IIRC the article) were that he wanted to be close to home. He’s saying the same thing again. Doesn’t mean they should’t have recruited him, obviously, if he was saying all the right things. But yeah, I’m not that surprised given his track record.

that said, I guess it clears up some PT issues?

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 14, 2011 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

These are what I'm referring to.
Hubbard said that distance from his home in Virginia will not play a role in his decision. He returned East this season after spending last year at Odessa (TX) Junior College last season.

When Hubbard was released from prison, he began playing pick-up basketball at a local gym near home. A scout saw him and contacted a friend at Odessa.

Hubbard said he never felt comfortable with the program there. He wanted his mother and family see him play and he transferred to Frederick.

“That will be different at the next level because the schools I’m looking at will be on TV and they can see me,” Hubbard said. “There’s not a whole lot going on in Odessa and I was there for a year. I think I can adjust to wherever else I might end up.”

Obviously, he said the right things about it NOT being issue, but again, I just always had it in the back of my mind that being far from home could be an issue. Obviously, once he narrowed it down to Nebraska and Iowa and then signed, I disregarded it as an issue any longer.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 14, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe wherever he's from doesn't have BTN?

And there’s certainly a difference between seeing 1 in 3 or 4 games on TV, and 1 in 3 or 4 in person and a whole bunch more on TV, if that’s the route he goes.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 14, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't his inability to get accepted at Frederick the reason he went to the JUCO in TX?

Of course he’d want to move back home right away if that was the JUCO he originally wanted to attend. I don’t think that plays a factor in his new school choice.

I can understand the kid having a tight relationship with his mom/family after spending so much time in jail away from them. But I also feel like it shouldn’t be much of an issue considering how long he’s done it before. It’s not like he’d be trapped in Iowa City.

It doesn’t matter. I am bummed to see him go, but hopefully he lands on his feet outside the B1G and he has a successful career.

by The Mexican't on Jul 14, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I didn't go back far enough if that's true.

So my fault? I guess I just assumed that it was because it was some scout from TX that hooked him up which is why he went there.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 14, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am greatly disappointed.

And those are not nearly the strongest words running through my head right now.

Damn.

by Cattlefeeder on Jul 14, 2011 5:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Disappointed, to say the least

Also disappointed at the amount of Hawkeye fans throwing him under the bus. This is my penance for using Rivals, Hawkeye Nation and Twitter.

I'll just put COMING SOON down here.

by mikjones24 on Jul 14, 2011 5:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm disappointed, but not remotely pissed at a guy who's never played a minute for Iowa

I’m sure some of the anger out there come from a feeling of “betrayal” that the school took a chance on him, and he turned us down in the end. I’m not in the guys head, so I can’t speculate on his true reasons for leaving, but I’m willing to cut him some slack and I agree that its disappointing to see fans getting angry and turning on the guy.

by brock_tune on Jul 14, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm oddly pissed.

It’s odd that I care about the decision of a guy who never wore a Hawkeye uniform.

by Hawkeyegirl on Jul 14, 2011 5:14 PM CDT reply actions  

What pisses me off

is the program invested a healthy chunk of time and money vetting the guy to make sure sure he had his life in order before offering him. Other D1 programs “closer to home” will know that. So it’s like he used Iowa to do the legwork for the schools he was actually interested in.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Jul 14, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bigger deal, in my opinion (cuz I'm always looking ahead ;-) ): So now they have two open scholarships.

Jordan Stoermer was surely going to get the open one after they got to the summer… a senior and all that. I wonder what they do now. Cartwright, Archie, Gatens, Brommer and Stoermer.

If I’m correct, this would give them 5 scholarships for next year, if they don’t give both to junior transfers (whoever that would be). I actually sort of like it because it gives them a chance to offer 3 or 4 incoming freshmen but also to throw in 1 or 2 JUCO transfers again. Basabe, Marble and McCabe will be the only juniors in 2012-2013. I think Fran would much rather bring in one or two juniors (or sophomores) transferring from a JUCO instead of bringing in 5 freshmen.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 14, 2011 5:17 PM CDT reply actions  

PROBLEM. SOLVED.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jul 14, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

75% FG shooting. 66% 3pt percentage. 100% on FTs (which I believe is a record). 3 points per shot. It’s time, Fran. Set him free.

by NorseHawk on Jul 14, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

"3 points per shot."

TAKE THAT OFFENSIVE EFFICIENCY, STAT NERDS.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jul 14, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not going to do the math but I'm pretty sure his PER is like 6000

And if it’s not then fuck PER.

By the way I expect at least one glowing article in praise of B-Stubbs before basketball season starts. And if you don’t write it I will.

by NorseHawk on Jul 14, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

2011-2012 Iowa Hawkeyes Mens' Hoops

aka “Operation Desert Stoerm.”

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bring back Cougs!

“Operation Stoerm Dessert!!”

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 14, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looking at the Hawkeye Report Scholarship Distribution Chart...

(Linked here; I can never remember if it’s premium content or now.)

Iowa now has SIX scholarships to give out next year. We still had one open going into the 2011-2012 season, so that coupled with Hubbard’s departure and the four seniors on the team (Gatens, Cartwright, Archie, Brommer) gives us SIX openings next year. One of them has been tentatively filled by PF Kyle Meyer.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jul 14, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dessert Fox!

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz

by Blackheartnopants on Jul 14, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Operation Dessert Stoerm?

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't listen to him, Chazz

you nailed that one.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Jul 14, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I LAWLd

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields

by rockyh on Jul 14, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, that was a good one.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Jul 14, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!11!1!!!!!1!!!!!!!

I just made a Chazz joke!

I swear I wrote “Operation Stoerm Dessert” before I got this far down.
/streams crossed
//cats & dogs yada yada

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 14, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I forgive you.

The real question is: can you forgive yourself?

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't understand

It wasn’t Dessert Storm it was Desert Storm.

So are you saying that Stoermer is sweet and gooey like an dessert?

Rember desert, as in a dry and arid place, is spelled with one “s”, while dessert, like a nice sugar treet after a meal, is spelled with 2 “s” because we always want 2 desserts.

All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!

TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel

by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Jul 15, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dessert Fox, Brendan Cougill

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz

by Blackheartnopants on Jul 15, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL, now that makes sense!

All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!

TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel

by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Jul 15, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm interested in seeing how these next two classes sort out.

6 rides to offer is a lot. Meyer has already filled one and has been getting love on Twitter at AAU events. Woodbury has blown up this summer, and Gessel has moved up to a 4-star with Rivals. Those 3 guys alone would make a pretty good class, but we absolutely need another point and an athletic 2 would be a close second. Ka’Darryl Bell is close friends with one of the 2012 football recruits (Fleming, I think), so some think he’ll be coming here too.

It’s a matter of whether they bank 2 for 2013 (and with Maygasm out of eligibility, having 3 total for 2013) or go for 5 in the 2012 class and have only 2 for 2013. It’s a tough problem to manage.

Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.

by Nickhawk08 on Jul 14, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That seems silly.

Is Fran scared of having more than two point guards on the roster at the same time?

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jul 14, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do thinkthey'll give at least one to a JUCO.

Maybe (probably?) two. McCaffery has talked about wanting to balanced classes. 3 or 4 schollies per class. Plus, while a JUCO might not have the potential, he could certainly help more right away. Woodbury, Gessel, Meyer, a wing as frosh, and then to JUCOs would be a really good class.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 14, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

This could help other recruitments

Between Paige and Woodbury, who knows? This is obviously a little bit of a stretch.

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Jul 14, 2011 5:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Paige is committed to UNC and isn't going back out now

And I have no idea how losing a good wing affects our ability to recruit a center

by NorseHawk on Jul 14, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

That tells you how closely I've followed that recruitment

I’ve never really been involved too closely to either football or basketball recruiting so I’ll stop derping and just listen.

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Jul 14, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

When did Woodbury commit?

I haven’t seen anything confirming him as a Tar Heel.

by The Mexican't on Jul 14, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

He hasn't committed anywhere yet.

Paige is a point guard and he’s committed to UNC. Verbally, anyway.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jul 14, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah this

Sorry if that was unclear.

Although UNC is looking at Woodbury closely and I imagine he’ll commit if offered since that’s how things work. Roy Williams owns this state.

by NorseHawk on Jul 14, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not angry because the guy shouldn't stay if he's not comfortable, but man this sucks

He was a big part of my hope that we might be kinda vaugely okay this year. Now I guess we hope that practice praise for May and Dev Marble tearing up the PTL is meaningful.

This is also going to lead to a ton of dumb Iowa fans calling him a thug and other ugly/quasi-racist shit, which sucks.

by NorseHawk on Jul 14, 2011 5:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't know what's worse

the fact that that is probably going to happen or that we know it’s going to happen

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Jul 14, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is also going to lead to a ton of dumb Iowa fans calling him a thug and other ugly/quasi-racist shit, which sucks.

It’s just like the Pierre Pierce thing, all over again.

/absolutely kidding.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

WAIT WAIT WAIT

Has anyone stopped to consider the real issue here: what’s this going to do to the PTL Playoffs, you guys?!

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Jul 14, 2011 5:27 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Sadly, yes.

I wondered if he would still show up for the playoffs. I would doubt it though.

by Carfino'sWay on Jul 14, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

and thus give Iowa fans the only title they will see for years.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz

by Blackheartnopants on Jul 14, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well.

Perhaps we should recruit guys who are 18 years old and not matriculating from prison.

Hubbard really burned the coach, the department, the university, and the community. I don’t have any information, so this is meaningless, but I would not have released him, if I were coach, to go some other D-I program. But time to move on. This isn’t a vulnerable young man we’re talking about, this is a full-grown man with a felony conviction, and he has flipped us off for our courtesy.

We need to recruit for BBall the way Ferentz and Brands and even Dahm recruit. I don’t understand why young athletes want to be a part of those programs, but not the basketball program.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Jul 14, 2011 5:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't you think

hoops would be less successful than football (and obviously wrestling)?

Fran is probably going to have to get Iowa back to regular NCAA tourneys before he locks down the best in-state talent. Which means he’s going to have to take some chances (Ferentz was doing that at one point too). Now, I did think the “25-year-old reformed felon” was a bridge too far, but I was hoping Fran and company knew something about Hubbard that most of us didn’t.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

I don’t think bball is necessarily “less successful than football…..”

Why? I’ve watched Iowa bball for a long time. The current situation is preposterous, to me.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Jul 14, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't word that well.

What I mean is, do you think Fran would ever get back to and stay at the middle-to-upper Big Ten, if he recruited like Ferentz does?

If he does, it would definitely be a Wisconsin-esque style of basketball.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is your basis for that opinion?

I completely disagree. Davis was consistently good with the opposite of the Wisconsin approach. Get guys who are good athletes, in great shape and work hard, and just push, push, push. Force the other team to make mistakes. It might not get you a lot of wins against the absolute best teams, but it could get you a lot of wins against all those teams of lower caliber than you.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 14, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but we are the lower calliber team than all but 1 or 2 big ten teams right now.

And Davis had some guys with skills on his teams.

I just think that, it might take Fran (if he was “going Ferentz” and taking a lot of talent that nobody else really wants) so long to turn it around (without taking a few chances in recruiting), that he might not still be the coach by the time Iowa was solidly back in the top-3 or top-5 of the Big Ten.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 14, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait, wait, wait

Chazz dumped in the U of I Law Library? In the stacks?

Gross. There is no need for that. None.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

-- I eat a lot of stuff -- WaterlooChazz

by Blackheartnopants on Jul 14, 2011 7:43 PM CDT reply actions  

I really don't think that is funny.

He’s trying to overcome his penchant for dumping in inapprorpiate locales. We should be trying to lift him up instead of tearing him down.

It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.

by FiveSecondRuleChef on Jul 14, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some people you just can't reach. Chazz needs tough love. A couple nights in the box.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jul 15, 2011 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha, the joke's on you.

I would kill to move into a wooden box. My cardboard one has been rained on too many times.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I mean really

ugh, i dont know whether to be understanding or pissed off. my guess is his college choice will help me decide between the two

by justsomehawkeyefan on Jul 14, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't he understand that FRAN DRIVES A DODGE STRATUS?

"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."

by SomeJerkPoster on Jul 14, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know there are hawkeye fans who are taking it a bit too far

but i can understand why. honestly this feels like a slap to the face in part because it doesnt even feel like he gave it a fair chance, and it doesnt help that he is a grown man making a decision i would expect an 18 year old to make.

we accepted him basically unconditionally and took crap for recruiting someone who was freshly out of prison, and in return he gave us all of, what, three weeks? Osalani is both still a kid and from England and he lasted longer than Hubbard.

Whatever, he better not come to Carver is all im saying, because i get the feeling Iowa fans wont take the classy route with it.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Jul 14, 2011 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Fran has been prison bitched.

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Jul 14, 2011 9:49 PM CDT reply actions  

How I feel

Auuuuugh.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields

by rockyh on Jul 14, 2011 9:58 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Nah.

If a football is involved, it’ll always be this
Inconsolable!
But since we’re talking about Baseketball I kinda feel like he gave us one of these
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Or maybe this
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And now I feel like
Arrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhh

Ugh.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 14, 2011 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree...usually.

This is different, though. This isn’t just a kid who signed a LOI and changed his mind like Brust or Larson last year (which I think the vast majority of people here took well). This is a guy whose background made it difficult for any coach to take him in, whose prior actions rightfully or wrongfully made him a lightning rod for the type of criticism that eventually sunk Steve Alford. Fran McCaffery put his job on the line to take him in, and he apparently didn’t appreciate it enough to even attempt to pay him back. One month in Iowa City and it’s back to the coast. Hope he enjoyed his vacation.

I’m not usually angry or even unhappy when a player decides to transfer. This one is different.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jul 14, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think EH is right, but understand where you're coming from too.

Not only did the coaching staff spend a lot of time on this issue, but the university spent a lot of money… both of which could have gone toward something worthwhile.

However, I think it says a lot about what kind of man/coach Fran is for the way he’s handled it so far (at least in public).

But it still feels like a kick in the crotch. But whatever, really. I hate the phrase but, it is what it is.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 14, 2011 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I also really dislike the phrase: "it is what it is"

Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.

by EnergizerHawk on Jul 14, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh, I can't really decide

It depends on the situation too much. Sometimes it’s good and sometimes not so good. It truly is what it is. And there’s no stopping it from being what it’s going to be.

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Jul 15, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Deep, this is.

Much thought, require, will this.

Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.

by EnergizerHawk on Jul 15, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not real fond of "it is what it is."

But I absolutely love “There’s no stopping it from being what it’s going to be.”

+1

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

click that link

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Jul 15, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clicked

I now feel armed to win any debate that comes in my way.

All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!

TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel

by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Jul 15, 2011 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just noticed that flakbait said some of this above

(and that was a lot of "but"s in the last two sentences)

We’re good at “moving forward” with Iowa basketball by now, so I guess it’s hard for me to get too much dander up, over all.

Sorry if I took a simple quip that was meant as a rebuke for a single-minded poster and turned it into a completely uninteresting and inconsequential tangent.
-McCann't

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jul 14, 2011 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I noticed it too..... ;-)

Fran’s reign will not be defined by this incident and unless Hubbard is a rock star, it will barely be remembered five years from now.

Because it’s hard to completely buy into “homesick”. Did he not look at a map? Did he not notice how long it took to get to IC when he visited? Maybe it was just the culture shock of suddenly being a very noticable fish in the Iowa B-Ball bowl combined with the culture shock of moving to a midwestern college town that freaked him out and he ran away rather than trying to deal with it.

So while I wish him the best of luck, I’m also giving him the finger on his way out of town.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Jul 15, 2011 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you for the feedback.

I admit, I have mixed feelings about this situation. I just have a strong dislike of seeing people slamming somebody for a personal decision. Yes, I fully understand what you wrote above and I can support that.

I’d love to say more on this subject but I’ve got an early morning and need my sleep.

Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.

by EnergizerHawk on Jul 14, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think I've seen anyone "slam" Hubbard

Only his actions.

Did I miss a round of namecalling?

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields

by rockyh on Jul 15, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I meant.

Meh, I’ve vented enough. I’m done with that.

WHO’S READY FOR FOOTBAWWWL?

Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.

by EnergizerHawk on Jul 15, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

He didn't offer him the scholarship purely out of the goodness of his heart or something

Anyway, I really don’t see why it’s so outrageous for Hubbard to feel differently about living in Iowa after a month than he did after a short visit where he was wined and dined. It’s not really the same thing. He’s not obligated to like Iowa City, and if he’s not comfortable here I don’t know why he should be forced to stay.

by NorseHawk on Jul 15, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's something to the idea

of sticking to your commitment. It’s not like this was a ten year contract on an oil rig made by a guy who had never been on one….. it’s a two year scholly to play ball. The program was willing to take a chance on him, he should man up and honor his word.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Jul 15, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

This

Totally this!

and rec’d

All my good friends at BHGP helpled pick this most awesome name!

TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel

by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Jul 15, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

If he doesn’t want to be here, why hold him hostage? If his heart isn’t in Iowa City any longer, then he’s not likely to have a great effect on the team.

A LOI isn’t some blood contract. Getting angry at a kid because he had a change of heart is foolish. You are not affected in any way by this decision, while thinking that he should stay somewhere he’s no longer interested in being. Who’s the selfish one in that situation?

by The Mexican't on Jul 15, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I shouldn't speak for others I don't know...

…but it seems more of a lament of a loss in a value of “commitment” in society. As in, they wouldn’t want to force him to stay, but more that, one of his values should be honoring his commitment to those who took a chance on him,and its not.

That might be giving others on here toomuch credit, though.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 15, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

That pretty much sums up my position

thanks for nothing, good luck, don’t call and don’t let the door hit you.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Jul 15, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow

you totally understood what I felt and at the same time made me sound like a freaking idiot.

Yes that is what I mean. We are living in a society where people don’t honor their word or commitments.

Do I dislike the kid? no, but I do dislike his actions. Big difference. I would and have felt the same about my own kids. When they agree to something they should stick it out.
For instance, my daughter last year was a cheerleader, she made the decision to participate, but when she found out it was more work than she thought, and there was another girl she didn’t get along with, she wanted to quit. I told her she shouldn’t, but since she lives with mom, mom let her quit. I have talked to my daughter about this. If you are not sure you can see something through, then don’t commit to do doing it.

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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Jul 15, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would say precedent is the reason

I agree it would not have been good to try to keep Hubbard here if he wanted out, and his reasons are his own and that’s fine, but LOI is a sort of contract. You sign and agree to pay a penalty (a year wait to play again) if you break your agreement. My understanding is that players are usually only released if there’s a coaching change or family hardship, which didn’t happen here.

Maybe it’s a crappy system and players should have real contracts with real pay, but it’s the system in place. For Iowa to let players out for no discernible reason would seem to set a bad precedent for the future (“Iowa: the school that can be strung along for months!”). It’s not so much anger or selfishness (although the coaches of course selfishly want to win), as it is doing what’s best for the program. I guess the coaches decided it was best to let Hubbard go, but there is a downside to letting people break their commitments to you: other people think they can do that, too.

by Horace E. Cow on Jul 15, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure

I mean, there was the Cody Larson and Ben Brust things, but those were a coaching change. I did find this article from his Siena days.

Maybe I’m totally naive about this and coaches let people out of LOIs all the time. I could see them not wanting to give recruits the impression that they were tyrants who wouldn’t ever let them leave.

by Horace E. Cow on Jul 15, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's interesting.

I’m not sure if I should be afraid that McCafferey could look gullible in recruiting, or if I should be happy because we now have a football coach and a basketball coach who can spot diamonds in the rough that other bigger programs will want to steal.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

It probably also matters

that they guy only has two years of eligibilty. If he had his full load they could pull a “screw you, sit a year”, but this is the whole “young man trying to rebuild his life feel good story” and it’s better to just let him go then end up as the bad guy on some future 30 for 30.

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by Flakbait on Jul 15, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

@Mexican't and Norse:

One other thing -Showing some appreciation would be nice.

I have no knowledge of how Hubbard is as a person. But I do know that in many areas of life, people don’t take the time to show their appreciation.

Hubbard has made it through several years in a prison. I’d think he could tolerate being a basketball player (and quite possibly, a pretty good one) in a place like Iowa City. It’s the type of place where people turn out to watch you play in a rec league in the summer. Show some appreciation by giving it more than 2 months.

This next part is complete conjecture: I wonder if he had some idiots make some comments to him (or facebook entries, or whatever) and it pissed him off? Or, I wonder if he had some issue that he couldn’t resolve with a teammate (he probably shouldn’t have spent much time recently with the Iowa coaches, due to NCAA rules about the summer, right?)

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

What does being in prision have to do with liking Iowa City?

He was in prison so now he can no longer dislike or want to leave anywhere that is not prison? That’s dumb as hell.

Not liking it in Iowa is not a character flaw.

by NorseHawk on Jul 15, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry...

but we’re not getting the whole goddamn story here. Not one FUCKING bit.
 
The only two things that come to mind are this;
 
1. Barta and McCaffery found out Hubbard was doing something stupid and told him to GTFO in no uncertain terms after they stuck their necks out for the guy.
 
2. Hubbard has a Brandon Wegher issue with the girlyfriend back home. Girlyfriend gets knocked up, family goes apeshit and demands that he come home to be Daddy and work at the McDonalds drive through.
 

by FlyingDutchman1 on Jul 15, 2011 1:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Wow, that is a lot of speculation for one post.

I agree that we aren’t getting the whole story but to say there are ONLY two things that come to mind and that these two are them is quite a leap. I think there are quite a few possibilities to consider before we get to these as the only options.

by Carfino'sWay on Jul 15, 2011 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

This kind of post took longer to show up than I thought.

I figured it would happen before 2100EDT, oh well. At least he didn’t use the “reliable friends who know Hubbard” that we got so much with Wegher last summer.

by PackerHawk on Jul 15, 2011 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cmon now...

What other explanations can there be? A 26-year old shouldn’t be “homesick”, especially after spending years in the joint. Therefore, there’s really only two logical possibilities.
 
Barta and McCaffery really would have no other choice but to boot Hubbard if he screwed up even just the smallest amount. There would simply be too much media scrutiny coming down on Bloodpunch and Franimal for “taking a risk” on a convicted felon, if Hubbard did something stupid.
 
The only other explanation that would make any sort of realistic sense is that there’s an issue like the girlfriend is pregnant. From what I heard from Kevin Lehman, his PTL coach, on the radio last night—both his girlfriend AND mother were in town this past week to watch him play in the PTL.
 
Seems a bit unusual that both the mom and gf would make the trek out to Iowa City from Virginia in the middle of summer—just to watch a “game” that’s more of a glorified scrimmage.
 
There’s gotta be something more going on here that we’re not hearing.
 

 

 

by FlyingDutchman1 on Jul 15, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry...

Not buyin that. Hubbard narrowed his choices down to Nebraska and Iowa. Two schools that are highly visible on TV and travel all over the country. Lets think about it…both schools are playing at places like Penn State, Indiana, Purdue—all are way closer to Virginia than Iowa or Nebraska is.
 

by FlyingDutchman1 on Jul 15, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it was so much an issue for him as it was for his g/f and mom

Virginia → Iowa = decently long trip

Would your bf/gf/spouse be ok with that for 2 years? Might seem cool right off the bat to get a scholarship w/ a kick ass basketball team and school, but reality may not have set in until now.

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Jul 15, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

there is a guy in my law school class at creighton in omaha...

…probably late 30’s.Has an 8 year old daughter and wife that lives in virginia. That would be tough. But Creighton ffered him a 90% free ride. Hard to pass that up.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 15, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also,

how difficult would it be to have your mom or girlfriend or both move here with you for two years, if you really value the educational opportunity?

On the other hand, if VaTech or Virginia or Maryland or somewhere else would take him, then I suppose that makes it easier to turn your back on Iowa.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, they would have to pick up their entire lives, get new jobs and leave everything they know.

I think that is a lot to ask of them for a short period of time. I don’t really think that is fair.

by Carfino'sWay on Jul 15, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chazz, that's dumb.

You know it would be quite difficult to move two people to an entire other part of the country when they don’t have a job waiting or a support structure waiting for them.

Unless you’re saying the athletic dept should do it…and get into that stuff.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 15, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess perhaps I'm making some assumptions about

the mother and girlfriend of a felon.

But really, I think families moving to be near their D1 cager and gridder sons are probably more frequent than we think.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I know it happens.

My aunt and uncle moved from IA to AR to be close to my cousin while she played basketball at an NAIA school and they all still live there. No clue why but they whole damn family moved down there.

by Carfino'sWay on Jul 15, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, maybe it was a summer vacation?

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neither of your possibilities are "logical"

They’re both speculative. You’ve no proof to support either conclusion, thus there’s no logic tied to the conclusions.

by The Mexican't on Jul 15, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lol, this is all hurt feelings right here

i actually think that the “i want to be near my family” thing is true, but only half the story, i dont think he broke a law or knocked up a girl, but maybe another school offered him behind closed doors after watching PTL and he decided that that particular school was better for him for whatever reason than Iowa. It wouldnt surprise me if an ACC, Big East or SEC school offered him after watching him play.

so really, in my eyes, whatever school he ends up in (if its a major school in a major conference) is the bad guy here

by justsomehawkeyefan on Jul 15, 2011 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Schools...

IF another school offered him “behind closed doors”…that’s a major NCAA violation. NCAA rules strictly forbid schools from contacting recruits after they’ve signed a letter of intent to play for a particular school. Its akin to the tampering rules that you see in the NFL.
 

by FlyingDutchman1 on Jul 15, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

GREATEST POST EVER.

I'll just put COMING SOON down here.

by mikjones24 on Jul 15, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hubbard was well vetted

if this was a guy still walking on the bad side of town to the extent that less than a month after getting to Iowa he was getting in trouble, then they almost surely would have found at least a hint of stink when clearing him. And unless Barta & Fran are idiots, which they are not, that hint would have been enough to keep them from offering.

Whatever this is, it’s a personal decision by Hubbard.

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by Flakbait on Jul 15, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

AIHTIG

Angry Iowa Hoopster-Transfer Inspiring God?

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 4:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

SUBTLe

He’s the Sneaky UI Basketball Transfer-inducing Leprechaun

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by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Jul 15, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow.

And I’ll bet a ton of the Lick transfers happened not long after March 17th, too.

If green beer or shamrock shakes are involved, then this has just jumped from eerie coincidence to solid theory.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fran took a risk here

and this happens when you take a risk. I doubt he is as pissed as everyone thought. I understand Hawk fans being pissed though. Why? Because Fran legitimized this guy and now he looks more palatable going forward, and we get nothing for that. But, I thought from the get go that Hubbard would be a fish out of water here and apparently he thought that too.

I’m much more concerned about the PG position because I am sensing from Cow’s reports that Marble is going to have a break through year and that makes this loss manageable, and if Basabe improves and everyone is a year more comfortable with the system then I can’t see us not having a winning record—even without this dude.

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by StoopsMyAss on Jul 15, 2011 6:40 AM CDT reply actions  

oh, oh, oh. I get it.

I was thinking you meant that you were less concerned than you would have been because you think Marble can play back-up point. I get what you’re saying, though. He actually does sort of make me think of a 7-year-older Marble.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 15, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Neither is Marble though

If anything forcing him to play out of postion for another year is just going to hamper his development.

by NorseHawk on Jul 15, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

If we get a winning record,

we better be running and gunning the hell out of everything in sight. Basabe is a beast, but I fear about the rest of our frontcourt (unless McCabe is suddenly able to play well inside, too).

On the other hand, all these guys have another year of conditioning for the McCaffery system, so maybe we’ll look better this year (not as much transitional).

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt any college scouts the PTL

three other things:
I think this was a very immature decision for a 26-year-old.
We lost Glover for this guy.
It’s hypocritical to go off on the felon thing now that he’s left.

by Chief Okemos on Jul 15, 2011 7:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Do any high schoolers play in it, or are they all after their 12th grade year?

There seems to be plenty of talent in the league. Hawkeyes, Panthers, and a mix of other D1 guys.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good news is: Iowa has already offered Kale Abrahamson.

He plays for Jeff Horner in West Des Moines. He’s got a few of mid-level BCS offers: Wake Forest, Stanford, Boston College, then Creighton, Harvard…

He’s a 6’7" wing scorer. Plays with Marcus Paige, Mike Gesell and Adam Woodbury on All-Iowa Attack*. It doesn’t seem like Iowa will be hurt from offering late because a) Horner, b) they’ve kept in touch with him, c) they were always upfront saying they wanted to offer him but they just didn’t have the wing minutes, and it wouldn’t be fair to him and d) they called him right away yesterday to offer.

I also want to see what kind of style that each team plays because I’m looking for a school that runs and gets out in transition. I want a coaching staff that let’s its players play their game.
I’m a scorer. I can shoot the three-pointer and I can also get to the basket off the drive.

I’ve decided that if Iowa lands Gesell, Abrahamson and Woodbury, I’m going to pretend that it all had to with landing Abrahamson which wouldn’t have been possible without Hubbard leaving. Therefore, it will all have been for the best.

*funny name consider Gesell is from Nebraska.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 15, 2011 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

tyger's take

—not a jumper at all. Despite being 6’6, 6’7, he only dunked on breakaways, and even those took some “coiling” (but he is young and only 185, could be some lower body and core strength could change that – he actually looked more fluid as the highlights went on
—6’7 but his arms don’t seem that long. whatever, even playing at 6’5, 6’6 is plenty big for SG in college.
—despite lack of a jumping ability, not unathletic, has a pretty good and quick first step off the dribble
—has a funky lookin shot, sort of “pushing” it form halfway between his forehead and shoulder and a little out in front
—but man he gets it off quick
—has a really good handle for someone his size
—in one interview, he said he likes to throw the ball and shoot it from anywhere on the court. That’s true.

I’d be somewhat worried about him getting his shot off in college because a) he doesn’t jump much b) he doesn’t have super long arms, c) he doesn’t release it high (compare his shot to someone like ray allen or even brandon rush, but he gets rid of it soooo fast, that just a minor tweak in his mechanics would make it a non-issue.

His shooting is weird, too, in that it hissort of push shot make his body twist with his right (shooting) shoulder in the air. It oesn’t seem to affect his shot and even makes it look pretty fluid as he’s coming off of screens and curling that way. He’s already used to his body turning when he shoots, so no worries. Wonder what it’s like coming the other way, when that shoulder is rotating back on the square up. Thunder Dan showed us that as long as you can repeat your mechanics the same way every time, you can be a good shooter.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 15, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not every recruit is destined to be a starter or even play that much

but the may play a huge role in helping out in practice and in terms of chemistry. Then, every once in a while, those guys exceed all expectations thanks to coachability.

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by StoopsMyAss on Jul 15, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

certainly, but you should still (almost always) recruit only the guys you think have a chance to be a starter

Just like in the NBA draft. Something like only half of the Top 10 guys become consistent starters. Meaning half are bench guys and role players. That doesn’t mean, though, that you draft a role player. You still draft the guy who can be a starter, and if not, well, he’s a role player.

Same here, you wouldn’t recruit a guy just to be a practiceguy. That’s what walk-ons are for. Granted, not all of your recruits are going to be starters, but it’s a numbers game: you need to recruit guys you think can start to increase your odds.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 15, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, right now, half our guys couldn't start for other established programs.

And, at this point in the year, you take what you can get.

Guy has size. Teach him to rebound and hassel the opponent, and you’ll probably end up with a decent role-player.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still don't understand how we got on this topic. And where did I say anything about him not being good?

And, um… more than half of Iowa’s guys couldn’t start for the Iowa program. Not this year anyway.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 15, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I probably agree with all but your theory of "recruit only possible starters."

So I’m not completely sure why we are arguing right now.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely

doesn’t play like he’s 6’7. Could be a good role player and a guy to come off the bench for a trey or 2.

by salparadise23 on Jul 15, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, now I see where StoopsMyAss and WC are coming from.

somehow my post comes off as putting the guy down, but I did not meanit. He’s good. Very good. He has good handles for his size and a really quick first step (compare him to McCabe, say) And his shot, despite being weird, gets up and goes in.

I did not mean to be putting him down and saying Iowa shoudl recruit him at all. I’m very glad they are.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 15, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a good offer

Abrahamson is a top 120 player on Rivals. Needs to work on his defense by most accounts, but is a good offensive player, even with the funky shot.

I know those 3 (Abrahamson, Woodbury, Gessel) play together in AAU, but do they have any desire to play together at the next level? Are they close friends? I think I read that Woodbury and Gessel were considering it.

A class of Meyer, Woodbury, Gessel, Abrahamson, and another PG (Bell) would be a great, great class. 2 bigs, 2 points, and a wing. That’d be 3 players in the top 120 (Woodbury, Gessel, Abrahamson), with Woodbury in the top 50 and attracting attention from KU, Duke, and UNC. I’d take that class every day and twice on Sunday.

Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.

by Nickhawk08 on Jul 15, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's exactly what I was thinking.

And if they do bring in six guys (still guessing at least one is a JUCO), the sheer size combined with the good talent will rank them high on recruiting rankings since most go by total points. That doens’t mean a lot, but it does mean something.

I’m sure they woulnd’t mind playing together, but like with most kids I read about, it’s not a priority for them either.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 15, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed - a high recruiting ranking doesn't mean much, but it means something

Mostly to the kids you’re recruiting further down the road. They see good players going to a school, and perhaps that steers some people your way that maybe you wouldn’t have had a chance with otherwise. It certainly wouldn’t hurt the program to have a killer recruiting class.

I would have preferred Hubbard to stay, but maybe this works out. By all accounts, both here and on other Iowa sites, he was going to be a great addition to the program. Good player, was going to be a feel-good story. But his decision reeks of immaturity and, possibly, some tampering. It wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened to Iowa – Steve Alford and his staff always thought that there was some serious tampering by Bradley when it came to Marcellus Sommerville.

Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.

by Nickhawk08 on Jul 15, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time getting worked up by this

There is such a “here today, gone tomorrow” attitude in mens hoops that it’s tough to get attached to these guys.

Most of us would love 4 or 5 years with Fran, Dr. Tom or even Alford. One year on the team would be heaven to most of us.

For some of these guys, Iowa is just a shot at playing time. Iowa City is a great place. Many of these guys stick around after school. Some spend their days here living out of a suitcase.

Hell. Melsahn is still here. Fran is doing good things. I’m with him.

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by Blackheartnopants on Jul 15, 2011 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

More to the story?

Dochterman adds a little intrigue. This all he says which is maddening.

“But there were underlying tensions with Hubbard and some of his teammates. Maybe it’s best that he left now rather than go into the season when those issues are under a microscope. In college sports, chemistry ranks just slightly below experience and talent. Poor chemistry can cost teams games because it often leads to a lack of trust and selfish play.”

by Chief Okemos on Jul 15, 2011 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe

the age difference is to blame for some of this, if true?

by salparadise23 on Jul 15, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder who he would have issues with? I wonder if it happened in the PTL?

Did Duez try to kill Hubbard, too?

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marble?

I’d be a little bothered. He’s basically a bigger, stronger, older version of Marble. I would think he was going to get a lot of minutes from him. And maybe May. Not saying those guys should be pissed, and I’m sure you and others would say they should have just manned up, but if his personality rubbed you the wrong, and was already likely to take your minutes, I get it.

meh

by tyger1147 on Jul 15, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

That could be.

And, to be fair, if you are Devyn Marble or May, and you’ve kept your nose clean and your effort high, I could see why Fran bringing in a guy from jail might piss you off.

We need Bryce Carlson to stop by and give us the straight dope (or just any rumors he’s heard).

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 15, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

we did the right thing

As
I see it, Iowa comes out shining
we go out on a limb
do the right thing
and the young man was unwilling to live up to his commitment
i just hope farta didnt have too much fun recruiting him

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by OhioHawk on Jul 15, 2011 6:29 PM CDT reply actions  

That is one positive

The media has clearly taken Iowa’s side, stating how classy the staff has been and how much unrewarded faith they put in an ex-con just to be abandoned so quickly.

really, if the guy had to leave, this is pretty much the best way it could have happened for Iowa.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Jul 16, 2011 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're probably right.

Still, this makes me feel like we’ve missed, more than we’ve connected for this recruiting class.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jul 16, 2011 3:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bad team

Fran needs to step up his recruiting or he will be gone in a couple of years.

He is just not cutting it right now

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Pfffff, you're not a real pope.


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