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Great shirt... or greatest shirt?  Pat Angerer is American as all get-out:

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That's a still from an interview Angerer did with a Quad Cities news station about a handful of topics, including the Iowa Legends Football Camp.  Watch the interview by clicking the link above; then go find out more about the Iowa Legends Football Camp.

Say what?  ESPN's AFC West blogger, Bill Williamson, offered up a pretty standard brief assessment of rookie Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Ricky Stanzi -- at least until this line:

Muench knows Stanzi had a reputation at Iowa in 2010 of fading late in games. But Stanzi said he thought that might have been a product of not playing with a great supporting cast and he noted that Stanzi’s numbers improved the past two years. (emphasis added)

Wait, what?  Did Stanzi actually say that?  There are a few ways of looking at this statement.  On one hand, it's Williamson paraphrasing another guy (Muench), who was himself (allegedly) quoting Stanzi -- it's certainly possible that things got muddled somewhere along the way (particularly since Williamson isn't one of ESPN's sharpest bloggers).  On the other hand, if that's an accurate quote, Stanzi pretty much just tossed his 2010 supporting cast under the bus.  You know, the 2010 supporting cast that included one wide receiver who broke most of the school receiving records, another receiver who could break still more school receiving records this fall, a running back who was arguably Iowa's most capable pass-catcher since Albert Young (as well as a guy who came within a whisper of running for 1000 yards, despite dealing with various concussions and a lack of trusted depth at the running back position), and a sturdy offensive line that kept Stanzi from being harassed by pass-rushers (and that featured at least 3-4 future NFL draft picks). 

If your standards for "great supporting cast" are, say, the 2004 USC crew, then no, the 2010 Iowa crew wasn't on that level.  But in terms of Iowa's history, they were pretty damn great, so I'm not sure I'd be throwing too much blame their way.  I still like you, Ricky, but I don't think it was the fault of DJK or McNutt that you were throwing to A-Rob in the flat when there was no time left at the end of the Wisconsin game or that you chucked an unconscionably bad interception in the Northwestern game.  Quarterback, heal thyself.

Star-divide

To Stoerm Or Not To Stoerm.  Walk-on wunderkind* Jordan Stoermer isn't sure if he'll be back with the Iowa cagers in 2011-2012, despite having a year of eligibility remaining.  Don't worry, Fran isn't going all Saban on Stoermer (not that he could really do anything, since Stoermer's a, uh, walk-on), it's just the damn book-learnin':

Stoermer, a civil engineering major, will be a senior this year. But classes could conflict with his basketball schedule, which might keep him from playing.

"I’m not sure what I’m going to do for next year yet," Stoermer said.
Stoermer said Iowa coach Fran McCaffery has not pressured him into making a decision.
"He wants me to come back," Stoermer said. "He says there’s a spot on the team for me to come back."

Wait, college is about going to class now?  What a concept.  In any event, Stoermer wasn't a critical part of last year's team (he averaged just six minutes a game) and he didn't figure to be a vital part of next year's squad, but more depth is always nice to have (especially since he could have filled in at the point).  Hell, even if he was just a gray team player next year, he'd still be very useful, so hopefully he can get his scheduling issues resolved.  (EDIT: However, as NorseHawk points out, Stoermer's absence could clear the way for more B-STUBBS action, which would be make the world a better place.)

Meanwhile, whether or not Stoermer returns, there's a chance Iowa could still be getting a boost of depth at the point guard position.  We mentioned this briefly on Friday, but former Iowa point guard Jeff Peterson is apparently looking to transfer (again!) and a return to Iowa is one of the options he's looking at.  He'd need to get an NCAA waiver to be eligible for next season (which is the only way the move makes any sense at all), but if he can do that, the move makes a decent amount of sense: Iowa has an open scholarship and a gaping hole behind Bryce Cartwright on the depth chart -- Peterson could be a very capable back-up without tying up a scholarship long-term.

* I'm pretty sure that's German for "role player."

We work blue.  As we've mentioned a time or two, Iowa's 2011-2012 non-conference basketball schedule includes a game against the Smurfs Boise State.  About that game:

The Iowa game is a one-year contract, meaning the Hawkeyes won’t come to Boise.

Why?  Because fuck Boise, that's why.  

 

DOGZ RIDING SUBWAYZ:

* Look at the big brain on James (Vandenberg).

* Shaun Prater checks in at #70 on Rivals' list of the Top 100 Players of 2011.

* The National Football Post breaks down the pro potential of Iowa's 2012 NFL prospects in exhaustive detail.  

* mgoblog compares the Ohio State scandal to the USC scandal and suggests the Buckeyes get ready for the pain that is a-comin'.

* It's Always Sunny... s7: "The One Where Mac Packs On 50 Pounds -- For LOLs."

* If you didn't check out the wonderful Birds With Arms link from the FanPosts the other day... what are you waiting for?

* And if you can spare a few well-wishes for western Iowa (and anywhere along the Missouri River, really), the folks over there could use them.  That's a lot of fucking water, man.

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Well, if that actually was Ricky's comment,

then I could slightly understand the idea that he had lesser TEs (Moeaki was better, when healthy), and a lesser RB corp (at least by Big Ten season in 2010).

And while I thought the O-line did really well last year, perhaps it wasn’t quite as talented as 2009’s.

But, DJK’s production was (wait for it) HIGHER in 2010. McNutt had more receptions and yardage in 2010, albeit the same amount of TDs.

You could argue that 2009’s defense was better.

If Ricky said that, he wasn’t completely wrong. Maybe its a “hippie-comment” thing, where he tried to be funny or made a mistake. While I would expect more decorum from a future US President, I think Ricky will be OK as long as he doesn’t make a habit of “head-scratcher” comments.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jun 21, 2011 8:55 AM CDT reply actions  

That Stanzi paraphrase was just the media echo chamber making a fart sound. And I'll believe that until I see words from Stanzi between these " " things.

There is a reason for the quotation mark, and it’s so you can convey a persons ACTUAL words. Quoting a paraphrase is the worst kind of Telephone to play.
Did you ever play Telephone as a kid and the group was super big (like at a camp or something), and when it came time for the first person to relay what the ACTUAL message was, they didn’t remember? Worst. Game. Ever.
That’s what this is, and a youthful version of myself is looking at Muench and thinking “You fargin icehole.”

Seriously, Stanzi could have said something about injuries depleting the experienced starters, leaving unproven/young/whatever backups. There are so many possibilities for what he ACTUALLY said, that it leaves me wishing Muench, and to a lesser degree Williamson, wasn’t such a lazy fuck.

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Jun 21, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone on the 2010 Iowa offesne was atrocious.

DJK and that other pot guy do not exist. They have been eliminated. Stanzi is with the program. I salute him.

Pennsylvania: Leading the nation in Lyme disease since 1787.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 21, 2011 9:22 AM CDT reply actions  

You're right. Since Stanzi didn't have DJK or Adam Robinson on the team all year...

…it was obviously a pretty shitty supporting cast. Now, if he had had those guys…

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jun 21, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 21, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he said that

I’m a Raider fan and check out Williamson’s blog fairly regularly for lack of something better to do. If he gets paid the same as Rittenberg (sp?) it’s a crime.
I’m betting these are Muench’s sentiments in a poorly written entry.
If they are Stanzi’s words I’m disappointed.

by Chief Okemos on Jun 21, 2011 9:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, the quality of ESPN's conference/division bloggers is pretty variable.

I end up reading a fair amount from the AFC West (Raiders fan here, too), AFC South, NFC North, and NFC East blogs and I think Williamson is by far the worst of that bunch. The others are often pretty good. Williamson’s posts are often too short, too obvious, and too full of surface-level observations. So I’m certainly not ruling out that this is just a sloppy post that mischaracterizes Stanzi’s statement.

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by RossWB on Jun 21, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

How much was Stanzi fading late

and how much was it a defense that was some combination of out of shape and/or lacking depth? If Stanzi had blamed it on 4th quarter defensive collapses, and maybe he did, I’d agree

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jun 21, 2011 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

False. I refuse to blame Stanzi for the final drive failures against Wisconsin, Ohio State, Arizona, or Northwestern (Or Minnesota, but only because I was blessed in that I didn’t watch it). Wisconsin was more a result of confused coaching, Ohio State and Northwestern a result of desperation, and Arizona a result of bad offensive line play and brand new CRAZY MIKE STOOP’S CRAZY ANGRY BLITZ PACKAGES.

I think Stanzi’s quote, if real, is really just a little bit dumb. But he’s done that before.

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 21, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

2008 Stanzi could finish a game. 2009 Stanzi could finish a game.

2010 STANZIBALL-less (hur hur) Stanzi could not finish a game. Iowa ran FIFTEEN PLAYS in the final 1:22 against jNWU from its own 20, exactly one of which covered more than 10 yards. That’s embarassingly bad; in college football, with stoppages for first downs, there shouldn’t be a pass attempted for less than the amount needed for a first down in the two minute drill. Stanzi wimped out last season in the clutch and checked down to the tight end/halfback every time, and Iowa suffered for it.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm blaming the coaches and you can suck it.

If Stanzi wimped out, it’s because the coaches ruined him. Everyone knows Ferentz is a jerk like that anyway.

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 22, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Minnesota wasn't Stanzi's fault.

How was it Stanzi’s fault that Stoudermire walloped Coker, which he responded to by generously giving up the football?

Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.

by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Jun 21, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with Vandy's dad:
My dad’s a doctor, so he doesn’t really want me going with the chiropractic crowd.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jun 21, 2011 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes, that was hilarious

Because chiropractors get real pissed if you refer to them as not real doctors.

by Captain n Diet Coker on Jun 21, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

If they were doctors, they would be referred to as doctors

They are not – sorry.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 21, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

What are all of you?

Anti-Chiropracite?

/Sienfeld’d

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by IAHawkfan4life on Jun 21, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have very mixed opinions of Chiros

I have had ribs dislocated in my back which they popped back into place, so in that respect, I can appreciate them. However, I’ve seen way too many young females go to chiropracters to get their necks adjusted only to come into the hospital with a stroke because the chiro dissected their vertebral artery (an artery that helps feed your brainstem and cerebellum).

Now you ain't gonna come up here and steal Pepper Jack's best ho.

by ninerhawk on Jun 21, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow.

I’ve never been to a chiropractor, and now I probably never will.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jun 21, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying don't ever go to a chiro

but I would never let them touch my neck.

Now you ain't gonna come up here and steal Pepper Jack's best ho.

by ninerhawk on Jun 21, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Solution:

Find a doctor with an MD and a DC. They’re not so common, but definitely worth seeing for back pain. (I’m going off of experience with my GP, who is also a chiropractor.)

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by hkobb7 on Jun 22, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I treated a woman who had reduced feeling in the back of her legs from a Chiro adjustment. She said the Chiro actually said, “I am pretty sure you have a herniated disk but I am going to adjust it anyway.”

I have a tough time respecting a profession where during a 5 minute evaluation they can tell it will cost you $8500, paid up front, to get better.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 21, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

That story is unbelievable. My g/f gets her neck adjusted all the time and it scares the shit out of me. Where do you work TBE?

Now you ain't gonna come up here and steal Pepper Jack's best ho.

by ninerhawk on Jun 21, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am in Virginia, Richmond area

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 21, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of my high school classmates is a chiropractor now. We’re Facebook friends, but I had to hide him in my feed because I was tired of seeing his (quite frequent) posts about the wonders of chiropractic/alternative medicine. MDs aren’t perfect, but they’re sure as hell the best thing we have.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Jun 21, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

After 2 weeks of headaches I was diagnosed with a carotid dissection

The 1st question the mds asked after the MRI was: do you see a chiropractor?

(The answer was/is ‘no’)

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by HawkeyeGirleye on Jun 21, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

The second question was, "Have you been coaching Iowa men's basketball?"

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by SomeJerkPoster on Jun 21, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

wRec'd

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by WaterlooChazz on Jun 21, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds to me like competing-practice rivalry bullshit

I don’t really have a dog in this fight of MD vs Chiro, but I think both sides lob huge grenades with very little evidence either way.

IMO, if adjusting your neck (or cracking your neck) truly caused a high or worrisome rate of carotid dissection we would have heard about this long ago and chiro neck adjustments would be rare.

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by therealCatnuts on Jun 22, 2011 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dissections are crazy animals

They can heal on their own, or they could cause lots of problems. We MAY not have heard a lot about them because sometimes people fight through the pain/symptoms and allow the vessel to heal on its own.

Now you ain't gonna come up here and steal Pepper Jack's best ho.

by ninerhawk on Jun 22, 2011 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had a cranky back that got help from chiro care

I’ve had “real doctors” that were little better than pill vending machines

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

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by Blackheartnopants on Jun 21, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would think almost every medical professional

would say yes, you need to stop cracking your neck.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 21, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not defending chiro here

but how is this any different from MDs except that it’s cheaper?

during a 5 minute evaluation they can tell it will cost you $8500, paid up front, to get better

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jun 21, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is how I feel about it.

The whole medical profession is awash in a sea of stupidity, greed, and confused government regulations. But a good chiropractor will be great for your health.

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 21, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seconded, again x1000

thank you for having some sense, dear Rambler.

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by The Nihilist on Jun 21, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that there is a place for a good chiro

but I would not allow them to touch my neck. That is my opinion, if somebody does not agree with it, well, that’s tough cookies, because it is not going to change.

Now you ain't gonna come up here and steal Pepper Jack's best ho.

by ninerhawk on Jun 21, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was not defending chiro, actually

I think all medical intervention is drastically overused and especially overhyped in its effectiveness and the exalted nature in which we hold doctors, my only point is at least chiro isn’t as big a drain on the wallet when doing so

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jun 22, 2011 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

This would be so much more credible...

if McCann’t were saying it.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jun 22, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Since you don't get along with your parents,

did you pursue emancipation?

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jun 22, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

For True?

Then why isn’t your name bucketosushi?

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

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by Blackheartnopants on Jun 22, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would eat a bucket o' sushi

I would be scared, but I would do it.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jun 22, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not scared of sushi

I’m scared of sushi that would be served in a bucket. But if I’ve eaten ceviche scooped out of igloo coolers in Mexico and Costa Rica, then I have no choice but to dig in.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jun 22, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because one requires four years of medical school plus residency

While the other requires an afternoon seminar in Ballroom C at the local Marriott?

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jun 22, 2011 11:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I thought they moved it

to the Jasper Room at the Best Western

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by IAHawkfan4life on Jun 22, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poor post reply,

meant as a response to ninerhawk’s above post

Ok, but on the way we've gotta stop by a toy store and at least get him a stuffed animal, something. It's like...meowschwitz in there. -Sterling Archer

by The Nihilist on Jun 21, 2011 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Nihilist, while you are here,

I’d like to ask about the neck-cracking thing. Fairly often, I move my head side to side in a very slight stretching motion to “crack my neck” I think it is probably just relieving a bit of stress/tension. I haven’t heard any violent pops.

Is this awful to do? Will I end up like Christopher Reeves without the adoring public or dramatic accomplishments?

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Jun 21, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

IMHO

It isn’t going to cause you to have a Christopher Reeves type injury but it is manipulating your spine past the point of natural range of motion. If done extremely violently it could cause a spinal cord injury but this is highly unlikely. Besides if you do it above your 4th cervical vertebrae the chances of survival are pretty slim, at that level you won’t be able to control your diaphragm and breathing becomes really, really difficult. What it will do is increase your chances of arthritis later in life that can cause significant problems/pain/degeneration which isn’t life threatening but it is quality of life threatening.

Nihilist – sorry if I came across as harsh as well, I don’t have the ability to express my thoughts as well as ninerhawk. Every profession has quacks and I have seen ads where Chiros have made claims about averting appendicitis and straightening teeth if you start early and regular adjustments – price list included. It bothers me to see this fringe element praying on misinformation and ignorance. If there is evidence to the contrary I will be the first in line to buy my Fulford Hammer.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Jun 22, 2011 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Proper "Adjusting" (And, yes, there is such a thing) >>> Drugs

So I just naturally give chiropractors the benefit of the doubt.

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 21, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regular massage > regular "adjusting" > mood meds

Strictly my opinion in that, but I think we’ll eventually be finding that massage and the good vibes that the sooting personal contact it provides are better than both

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by therealCatnuts on Jun 22, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

rec this

Also, you guys really need to find a different topic.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

BANHAMMER

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

TRUTHHAMMER

Why can’t Patrick Vint count to two? BECAUSE HE’S SECRETLY FROM NEBRASKA!

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 22, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

HE'S AN INFILTRATOR

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by RossWB on Jun 22, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

You discovered my secret!

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Go pray to your statue of Kerry Collins

Oh, wait, that’s just Kerry Collins in the pocket. He only appears to be made of granite.

T-FRAIZ 4EVA MOFOS

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Go talk to ckmneon.

Unlike you and I, he’s in love with statistics. And all of the statistics prove that Tommie Frazier was the Nathaniel Banks to Kerry’s Stonewall Jackson – and Stonewall didn’t face a schedule as tough as Kerry’s.

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 22, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kerry Collins had a better QB Score against a better schedule

which is even more impressive when you consider just how many minutes he didn’t play because Paterno took him out of games. Osborne, well, he liked running up the score.

Look, I like Tommy Frazier, but to say that he was the college QB that Collins was is like saying Steve Alford was the coach Dr. Tom was (which I have done, and the more I looked into the numbers, dear lord, the more like an idiot I felt).

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jun 22, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously, you both just don't get it.

I’m a stat-head, too, but statistics don’t approach doing justice to Tommie Frazier. Not only did he throw or run for 34 touchdowns in 1995, but he was the trigger man for the option, for which he receives no statistical credit. In the two seasons where he played without significant injury (1993 and 1995), he was accountable for more than 2000 yards of offense on his own (something Collins did only once) and quite literally made the key decision on every offensive play on two teams that put up 4675 yards and 6119 yards (PSU under Collins never passed 4500). In 1993, the only year where they both played, Frazier (a sophomore) CRUSHED Collins in total yards. He was a missed field goal away from being the starting quarterback on THREE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS.

I really like Penn State, but this argument is closed everywhere but Pennsylvania, because it’s not even close. Tommie Frazier, by every metric other than passer rating (the uselessness of that stat in this argument should be self-explanatory to all but the dumbest among us), was a far superior college quarterback.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aww that's cute.

The “looks” test totally trumps statistics.

Except it doesn’t.

Go smoke a damned corn pipe, you stinking filthy bugeater.

Pennsylvania: Leading the nation in Lyme disease since 1787.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 22, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

And, oh by the way

Tommie Frazier’s career passer rating was 0.8 HIGHER than Kerry Collins.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's because completed backward/lateral option pitches were obviously included in that calculation.

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by Run Up The Score on Jun 22, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just saying Frazier's name gives me goosebumps

But, then again, I am sitting in front of a fan.

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by Blackheartnopants on Jun 22, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

No one cares about passer rating, right?

We’re talking about QB rating, which is superior. Collins is better there.

Also, guess what? Against Nebraska’s weak sauce schedule, Collins would have put up even more numbers and he still would have been better. His total numbers, though, wouldn’t have been higher because Joe isn’t a hypocritical douchebag like Tom Osborne.

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 22, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

QB Rating is passer rating

unless you guys are just making up stats to attempt to prove your completely invalid argument. In which case, Tommie Frazier led the country in Johnson Points in 1995.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong.

The QB rating he’s talking about is from Cal. Golden Blogs. It puts value on total yards and I think maybe total touchdowns, not passing yards or passing touchdowns.

And Tommie Frazier had a lower QB rating than Kerry Collins.

Also, Kerry Collins led the century and world in Rambler Points.

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 22, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Johnson Points are like WARP to Rambler Points' Win Shares

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whatever.

I am the Grant to your Burnside. Only Burnside could COUNT BECAUSE HE WASN’T FROM NEBRASKA.

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 22, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, how can a stat based on total yards rank the guy with fewer total yards ahead of the guy with more total yards?

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had it wrong.

QB Score = Total Yards – (3 x Plays) – (50 x Turnovers)

I don’t remember the exact stats and I’m not about to look them up (And I guess Ck’s off doing whatever it is they do in the Navy), but, yeah, Collins had a better rating than ’95 Frazier. Because he was better, you hack.

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 22, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I guess Ck’s off doing whatever it is they do in the Navy.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jun 22, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

TOTALS

Kerry Collins: 5300 yards, 39 TD (all passing, btw; he had -4 yds. rushing)
Tommie Frazier: 5476 yards, 79 TD

Let me say that last part again:

SEVENTY-NINE FUCKING TOUCHDOWNS.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Collins was better as a senior than senior Frazier.

Collins took a while to get going and Joe screwed around with that loser John Sacca as late as September of ’93, but after that, Collins became one of the greatest college quarterbacks of all time and he did against a vastly tougher schedule

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 22, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Frazier was better as a college quarterback than Collins.

And there’s absolutely no statistic that proves otherwise. Set the parameters however you like to sleep well at night, but on the only question of importance — and the question that you originally posed — Frazier wins. Period. End of discussion.

But, anyway, what matters here is that Kerry Collins was totally a better college QB than Tommie Frazier.

No he wasn’t.

Kerry Collins was the better college quarterback…

No, he really wasn’t.]

If you had to deal with idiot Nebraska fans who seriously think Tommie Frazier was better than Kerry Collins, you’d be as annoying as us.

We do have to deal with them, and he was better than Collins.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 23, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Vintroach survived Hiroshima. You need to give him Tsar Bomba.

VINTROACH

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 22, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

You me and who else knows about Tsar Bomba?

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by Blackheartnopants on Jun 22, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me

Bloggin' at JoePasDoghouse.com

by J.Schnauzer on Jun 22, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

NO POLITICS

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT WORD MEANS

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 22, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tsar Bomba

is — I think — the world’s largest above ground nuclear test explosion.

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by Blackheartnopants on Jun 22, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, this is incorrect

Brook Berringer got more playing time (and more significant statistical output) than the PSU backup in 1993, 1994, and 1995 (though Collins was gone by then). This is to say nothing of the fact that Ki-Jana Carter got virtually every carry in those seasons. JoePa as moral compass is bullshit, at least on this point.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Definitive Answer (which, of course, shows Tommie Frazier > Kerry Collins)

From CGB (apparently the source of all statistical analysis relied upon by the Collins people):

Let’s take a look back to last season and see how everyone stacked up with Pro Football Reference’s/Neil Payne’s “Ultimate Adjusted Yards Per Attempt” (uAYA) measure. The uAYA not only incorporates passing and passing touchdowns, but it also includes rushing and rushing touchdowns. This ultimately allows it to be a more complete statistic than the traditional quarterback efficiency rating. Additionally, it places a heavier penalty on turnovers and ignores completion percentage. This means those who survive on decent completion percentages, many touchdowns, and many turnovers may not fare so well….

It’s a blend of several measures, including rushing yards and rushing TDs. Unlike the traditional quarterback efficiency stat, running is just as important as passing to generate the score. Also, TDs are downweighted, completions are removed, and turnovers are more costly.

Wow, a statistic that measures running and passing ability? JIM ROSS VOICE MAH GAWD!

And, of course, Tommie Frazier kicks Kerry Collins in the balls.

TF: 8.00
KC: 7.19

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

QB Score does the same thing

KC >> TF

And KC faced a tougher schedule.

Better schedule. Better QB Score. A coach who didn’t run up the score with him in the 4th quarter. Repeat until you understand.

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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jun 22, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, it's another reading comprehension problem...

Just to repeat:

The uAYA not only incorporates passing and passing touchdowns, but it also includes rushing and rushing touchdowns. This ultimately allows it to be a more complete statistic than the traditional quarterback efficiency rating.

THE GUYS WHO MADE UP YOUR PREFERRED STAT SAY THIS IS BETTER.

The last two posts by you and Rambler made me realize something: You don’t even know what you’re arguing. Because, even by your desired metric (which is flawed when considering a running QB vs. a passing QB in that it places significant value on number of plays, thereby inherently arguing that a quarterback’s running plays should net the same average as passing plays), Frazier wins. Frazier has a career QB score of 2493, Collins a 2108. You’re not arguing who was the better college quarterback, because you can’t win that argument under literally every measure. You’re arguing who had the better 1994. Considering Frazier played in 4 games, fine, you win that one.

Kerry Collins had ONE GOOD SEASON at Penn State. ONE. Kerry Collins wasn’t Tommie Frazier. He was Nathan Chandler.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 23, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm arguing who had the better Senior Year

94 Collins > 95 Frazier. By a lot. Against a better schedule (yes, 94 PSU had a better schedule than 94 or 95 Nebraska). With a coach who didn’t run up the score.

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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jun 23, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's not what you said.

And I quote:

Look, I like Tommy Frazier, but to say that he was the college QB that Collins was is like saying Steve Alford was the coach Dr. Tom was (which I have done, and the more I looked into the numbers, dear lord, the more like an idiot I felt).

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 23, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm arguing that senior Collins was better than senior Frazier.

No, the career stats aren’t close equal, but Collins at his best was better than Frazier at his absolute best.

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 23, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

No you aren't

See above. You specifically said Kerry Collins was a better college quarterback than Tommie Frazier. That’s simply false by every conceivable measure. He had one good season. Congrats. A career with the Iowa Barnstormers awaits.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 23, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Senior?

I didn’t know these guys were Spanish.

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by Blackheartnopants on Jun 23, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

a college QB based on his Senior year, but that really shouldn’t have to be stated: there really is no other fair comparison. Frazier played in 4 games his Junior year. Collins played no meaningful minutes in his first two years. Frazier was on a better team during his Junior year than Collins was during his JY. The only semi-reasonable comparison is the SY of each.

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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jun 23, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Again, no.

For one, Kerry Collins threw 137 passes in his sophomore season. For another, QB Score and every other stat you have relied upon include a factor to reduce or average the value per play, so sheer volume of plays simply doesn’t matter. If you want to discuss who had a better season, that’s another conversation, but if you want to ask who the better college quarterback was, the only measure is career statistics.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 23, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

By way of comparison

Saying Collins is better than Frazier because Collins’ best year was better than Frazier’s is saying Daunte Culpepper is a better quarterback that Brett Favre, Drew Brees, Dan Marino, Otto Graham, Roger Stauback, Terry Bradshaw, Kurt Warner, Troy Aikman, and all but 4 other quarterbacks because his 2004 was awesome.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 23, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not the same

because pro careers are much larger samples with virtually equal talent around them and schedules. College careers are nowhere close to that.

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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jun 23, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

When Kerry Collins ended his college career, he was better than Tommie Frazier.

That’s my own “looks test”, yes, but the senior year stats give me a little justification in my own mind.

Also, I hate you.

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 23, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

The list of veboten topics continues to grow.

LAWL.

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by therealCatnuts on Jun 22, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cmon, don't drop the boogie

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by therealCatnuts on Jun 22, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Almost choked on my coffee there.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Jun 22, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

How will Vint pay off the jet-skis,

if not for his legal clients who are suing their chiropractors?

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by WaterlooChazz on Jun 22, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nihilist

I’m sorry that I came off as attacking your profession and by extension – you. That is not what I meant to do. Everybody has their faults and one of mine is not wording things effectively, to express my thoughts.

What I was trying to convey, is that I personally would not want a chiropractor to touch my neck because of specific cases, that I have witnessed, where young women (mid-twenties) had gone to a chiropractor. Said chiropractors had manipulated these young women’s cervical spines. I know this, because after reading the patient histories, that were taken in the ER, all these patients had the common history of seeing a chiropractor for cervical manipulation before developing stroke symptoms. Is it possible that something else had happened after they saw their chiropractor and before arriving in the ER? Perhaps. I cannot possibly prove what they did during that time, but the one link I have is that they all saw a chiropractor. That is by no means definitive, and it could mean that I have an irrational fear of cervical manipulation (I also have a totally irrational fear of spiders).

Now it is highly likely that I’m just seeing the worst case scenarios of what could happen, and I’m sure you represent your chosen profession well, just as I hope I do, but because of my experiences I have an aversion to going to a chiropractor for cervical manipulation.

In response to your “Hospital Errors” I find it to be a totally legitimate argument and one I cannot fight, because, quite frankly, it is true. People make mistakes, whether it be operating on the wrong body part, or on the wrong patient altogether, unfortunately, it happens.

I think it is great that you are defending your profession , as well as you should if you are passionate about your work. Again, I want to reiterate that I did not mean to attack your profession, or you, I just wanted to express my thoughts, although in a poorly-worded way. Like I said in a previous post, a chiropractor was the only one that was able to relieve my pain from dislocated ribs (this was after I had gone to a number of different MDs at a clinic who all prescribed pain killers as opposed to actually taking an x-ray to find out if there was something out of whack) so I do believe that a chiropractor has a place in modern medicine.

One last thing, I do not want to give away too much information about specific cases that I have seen, because lets face it, patient confidentiality is a big deal.

(Wow, sorry about writing a book – would appreciate your thoughts in regards to my response)

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by ninerhawk on Jun 21, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That was an impressive apologetic explanation.

If we had you in the Middle East, we might have more peace over there.

I salute you.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jun 22, 2011 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

No offense taken

as an end to this discussion, I just think people all need to do a little reasearch and finds what works for them, ok?

And Chazz the neck cracking needs to stop, the reason it feels good is that your body release it’s natural painkiller (endorphins) when there is an audible release like that, unfortunately to get it you are ususally moving/spraining a lot of stuff that doesn’t need to be moved or stretched. Try some massage if you’re worried about the adjustment.

HoyaGoon I went to four full years of undergrad and 4 years of training at a fully accredited chiropractic college (Palmer 4life!) not a “weekend seminar at a Marriott Ballroom” and I’ve got the student loans to prove it.

I am not against Rx meds in any way if they can be effective, I just advocate trying a natural cure before you introduce something chemically derived to cover up symptoms. Maybe if MDs wouldn’t be so closed minded about how to practice we could find a happy medium?

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by The Nihilist on Jun 22, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rugby?

Doesn’t Palmer have a rugby team?

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by Blackheartnopants on Jun 22, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I went to Davenport for a bachelor party (he lived there)

Boo Davenport!

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by therealCatnuts on Jun 22, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I lived there for four years!

Meh Davenport!

Actually, I enjoyed it quite a bit.

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by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Palmer's Rugby Team

Is bad ass! Like top 4 each year nationally or something like that. Boo Ambrose, meh Dport. (Ambrose grad, Dport lifer) I love my Chiro and love my MD.

by RH's Bookie on Jun 22, 2011 9:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I've seen them in action

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by Blackheartnopants on Jun 22, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The comparison of deaths in MD care/scrips to chiro care is a BS argument

People don’t go to the chiropractor when they have cancer or a heart attack or major (read: deadly) issues. They go mostly for pain management or comfort standards. It’s a drastically different care proposal with the expected drastically different levels of serious outcome.

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by therealCatnuts on Jun 22, 2011 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Catnuts point here

I also think I would never speak the words I just typed.

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by BoiseHawk on Jun 22, 2011 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

You've obviously never been to Catnuts Point National Forest then.

Stunning views.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Jun 22, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yes, my forested area is quite stunning.

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by therealCatnuts on Jun 22, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I feel like it is a fair comparison

in that I’m thinking of “Hospital Error” means deaths as a direct result of the doctor’s actions/inactions, which is what I believe ninerhawk was trying to get at with his comments about stroke being caused by the adjustment. If he wants to say it was the Chiro that caused the stroke, then I can definitely say illprescribed meds or unnecessary procedures/surgeries that lead to patient death are in the same category.

And NO I certainly wouldn’t go to a chiro for cancer care or heart attack care (Although we do all know CPR :) ). But I certainly would see them while I’m undergoing the rest of my care to make sure that I give my body the best chance to beat that disease as possible. Good argument though!
And at the request of our fearless leaders I will yield this topic and proceed no further in discussion, if you would like to have a more in depth conversation about it I will gladly send you my email address and we can discuss it off the board. GO HAWKS!

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by The Nihilist on Jun 22, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think you got my point

Intervention on immediately life-threatening diseases uses much more drastic, and therefore dangerous, methods. Chiropractic care has roughly the same hoped-for outcome as tylenol or a massage, with the same very-low-impact care techniques.

Analogy: I expect a much higher death and serious injury/illness rate when building the Panama Canal as opposed to, say, Hershey PA.

Also: It’s not really a verboten topic, it’s basically one of those stupid Civil War discussions at this point.

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by therealCatnuts on Jun 22, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then you've been seeing the wrong chiropractors.

Period.

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by ReadingRambler on Jun 21, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seconded x1000

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by The Nihilist on Jun 21, 2011 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's the only acceptable use of air quotes.

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by Run Up The Score on Jun 22, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mine too

I love living in this town and all, but BSU makes my blood boil.

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Jun 21, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking ESPN's blogs don't go through an editor

There are always typos and blatant errors in their blogs. Read the sentence again and you can see that Williamson accidentally replaced Muench’s name with Stanzi’s. By looking at all the instances of “he” in the article, and more specifically that sentence and paragraph, he is talking about Muench.

Notice the change in subjects in the sentence (Stanzi, then to “he” which refers to Muench):

Original Sentence: “But Stanzi said he thought that might have been a product of not playing with a great supporting cast and he noted that Stanzi’s numbers improved the past two years.”

Corrected Sentence: “But Muench said he thought that might have been a product of not playing with a great supporting cast and he noted that Stanzi’s numbers improved the past two years.”

The second sentence reads much more smoothly and doesn’t make Stanzi look like a dick, so I’m positive this was just an innocent typo by a hacky writer. And yes, Muench is an idiot if he thought Stanzi didn’t have a good supporting cast.

by Boschee4three on Jun 21, 2011 11:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, that would make sense, too.

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by RossWB on Jun 21, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Read that earlier this morning & that's how I took it.

Maybe if I’d been awake more than 2 minutes I would’ve noticed that the words were being attributed to Stanzi, tho.

It’s one thing to make an offhand remark about the Pedmall hippies & quite another to torch your teammates. He’s never been that guy & I don’t see him starting now.

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by HawkeyeGirleye on Jun 21, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember, NFL guys don't feel about our guys the way we feel about our guys

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by Blackheartnopants on Jun 21, 2011 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Boise troll countdown

in 3…2…1…

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by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Jun 21, 2011 2:48 PM CDT reply actions  

dont you really have to worry

if not a lot, at least a little
about a bunch of guys who play on a blue field?
gimmicks are gimmicks,,,,

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by OhioHawk on Jun 21, 2011 7:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Ross you are missing an important point!!!

Stoermer leaving just means more chances for B-STUBBS, to shine. This is like when The Feutjer got punched in the face and left and it opened up room for Brad Banks. Only better, because B-STUBBS.

by NorseHawk on Jun 22, 2011 8:10 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Damn, you're right.

B-STUBBS 4EVER!

I hope B-STUBBS can forgive me for this grevious oversight.

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by RossWB on Jun 22, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Those responsible have been sacked.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked
have been sacked.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jun 22, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

(Moose reference)

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Jun 22, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, HFMR.

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by RossWB on Jun 22, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Justice!

Finally the Free B-Stubbs movement is out of comment ghetto and on the front page where it belongs. A starting spot and Big Ten Player of the Year run can’t be far behind.

by NorseHawk on Jun 22, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also: almost 90 posts and none of you rat bastards can give Angerer's shirt a HELL YEAH?

You suck.

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by RossWB on Jun 22, 2011 10:07 AM CDT reply actions  

C'mon, Ross.

You act like we are within a couple weeks of a holiday that evokes all the patriotic imagery one can handle.

Call me when Angerer adds some star-spangled pants to the ensemble.

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by WaterlooChazz on Jun 22, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

You will respect Rex Kwon Do

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by Blackheartnopants on Jun 22, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bow to your sen-sei!

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by Kluginator on Jun 23, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bill's Correction email to me after i gave him a check yourself

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Bill Williamson <billco95@> wrote:

Wow, thanks for that. That was a simple, but bad mistake made in the ediitng process. It was the socut who said it not Stanzi. It has been fixed.
 
BW.

by o-lineu on Jun 22, 2011 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Mystery solved!

Thanks for posting that.

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by RossWB on Jun 22, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love how he misspelled 'scout"

It’s like he can’t ever get who said that comment right!

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by ClaybornSmash on Jun 22, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps it was a socut

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by Blackheartnopants on Jun 22, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love MD's and chiropractors

but acupuncturists are pricks.

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by Kluginator on Jun 22, 2011 5:22 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Westernistic pig

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Jun 22, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

i see what you did there

He sired a baseball team... An orchestra, if you count the bastards!

by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jun 23, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

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