Iowa Basketball And The Quest For March
Ah, June. It's the time of year when a young (or old, I suppose; no need to be ageist here) sports fan's mind turns to flights of fancy and dreams of the exciting possibilities the future might hold. The football season edges ever closer but it's still well over two months away and in the meantime we're left with little but the interminable grind of baseball to get us through the long, hot summer. But basketball scheduling news continues to trickle out and the days-away Prime Time League season will further whet our appetite for the hoopyball. So let's take a way-too-early look ahead at next season for Iowa basketball.
The dearly departed [COACH REDACTED] used to call them "March situations." Todd Lickliter called them... well, we're not really sure what he called them because Iowa was never really within sniffing distance of a tournament during his ill-fated three-year tenure. He probably just called them "that really fun thing I used to go to all the time back at Butler." Fran (or at least the Iowa marketing department) has emphasized the need for Iowa basketball to "get mad," by which they mean returning to March Madness. Iowa didn't need any cutesy sayings or fancy euphemisms for it back in the days of Dr. Tom Davis, but there also wasn't much need for fancy-talk like that when you're playing in postseason tournaments as a matter of course. Iowa made either the NCAA (9 times) or NIT (2 times) in 11 of Davis' 13 years at Iowa. In the twelve years that followed, his successors made the postseason just six times (including only three trips to the NCAA Tournament), with no trips occuring in the past five seasons.
Obviously the goal is always to make a postseason tournament, but for various reasons (the biggest being persistent talent attrition) of late that's been a hill too high for Iowa basketball to climb. So is there legitimate reason to hope that 2011-2012 might be different?
We've already discussed the fact that, for the first time in god knows how long, Iowa's actually managing to hang on to (most of) their players (this might be the first year since 2005-2006 that Iowa didn't lose its best player from the year prior to graduation or transfer*) as well as bring in a handful of new recruits (quality TBD, but McCaffery's early track record is promising). We've also discussed the fact that there was quite an exodus of talent from the Big Ten after the 2010-2011 season, which means multiple teams appear to be in line for some form of rebuilding in 2011-2012. If you want a refresher on that front, our blog compadres at The Only Gopher have a good breakdown, although you'll need to keep in mind that (a) Jared Sullinger decided to come back to Ohio State rather than turn pro (insert DURR HE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE A PAY CUT joke here), (b) Darius Morris decided to spread his wings and stay in the NBA draft rather than return to the cocoon of Michigan, and (c) we're a bit more optimistic about Iowa's returning talent than our Gopher friends are.
We've already discussed the pillow-soft non-conference schedule, too, which holds the very realistic potential for double-digit wins before 2012 arrives. That seems mildly insane, considering Iowa's struggled to get to ten wins total in the past two years, but when you break it down game-by-game it does look possible -- perhaps even likely. And now the final piece of the jigsaw puzzle (the conference schedule) is coming into focus. We still don't have dates, but we know how often Iowa will be playing each other B1G foe in 2011-2012:
Single-play: Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, IllinoisDouble-play: Indiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Penn State, Purdue, and Wisconsin
As much as we loathe the Delanybot 9000 and its scheduling practices in football (where Iowa starts Big Ten play on the road every single goddamn year) or wrestling (where Iowa draws back-to-back trips to Penn State's Rec Center-cum-Old Folks Home), it's definitely done us a solid with the basketball schedule this coming year. Assuming the goal is simply to accumulate the maximum number of wins and not worry about the quality of said wins, that is. Just as Iowa's non-conference schedule offers few (and possibly no) options for statement-making, headline-generating, RPI-boosting wins, the conference schedule isn't exactly overstuffed with top teams. Ohio State will be the overwhelming favorite to win the Big Ten, Michigan will be near the top as well, and Michigan State will be expected to rebound and be one of the top 3-4 teams in the league. As you can see above, Iowa plays them only once (plus a one-off with the Illini, who lose a lot but are evidently bringing in a good recruiting class).
That leaves fourteen games against the rest of the league, which is very enticing. Penn State loses an immense amount of talent from last year's NCAA Tournament (not to mention Easy Ed DeChellis), has no obvious replacements for most of that lost production, and will likely be the consensus pick for the B1G cellar. Nebraska played their way onto the fringes of the NCAA bubble in their final year in the Big 12, but loses their best player and will now have to navigate the courts of the Big Ten hoopyball world. Purdue loses JaJuan Johnson and E'Twaun Moore (haymaker blows there), nearly lost Curtis Painter to Mizzou, though they do return 15th-year senior Robbie Hummell (at least until his ACLs crumble into dust around Christmas-time). Wisconsin loses Jon Leuer and many of their other front-line stalwarts, although bringing back Jordan Taylor and the Ginger 'Fro will keep them competitive. Indiana should be ascendant in the Big Ten if they can avoid getting slammed with injuries again -- and if Cody Zeller is the stud he's expected to be. Minnesota remains something of a mystery.
Can Iowa realistically win 7-8 games from that crew? It doesn't seem amazingly far-fetched: hold serve at home and/or steal 1-2 on the road (State College and Lincoln, perhaps?) and you're there. Coupled with 10-11 wins in the non-conference and Iowa's sitting on the cusp of 20 wins -- and we haven't even gotten to the Big Ten Tournament yet. That probably isn't enough for Iowa to sneak into the NCAA Tournament, but it might be enough to put the NIT in play. Northwestern made the little brother tournament last year with 18 wins and a similarly pathetic non-conference schedule. The main goal remains returning to the NCAA Tournament, of course, but the NIT could serve as a worthwhile stepping-stone -- especially for a program that hasn't made any sort of postseason tournament in five years.
18-20 wins isn't etched in stone by any means -- Iowa showed flashes of strong play last year, but they need to show the ability to play well consistently and they'll also need to avoid any costly injuries (especially at positions where the depth is mostly theoretical, like point guard) and cobble together a replacement for Jarryd Cole from the hodge-podge of big men on the team -- but for the first team in a very long time it's possible to envision it without also having to assume that Ebola will take out 75% of the conference. So let's embrace this hope and see where it takes us. The end result could be pretty damn exciting.
* 2006-2007: Greg Brunner and Jeff Horner graduated the year before; 2007-2008: Adam Haluska graduated, Tyler Smith transferred; 2008-2009: Tony Freeman transferred; 2009-2010: Jake Kelly transferred; 2010-2011: Aaron Fuller transferred.
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I went 13-16
But think it will be on the high end of that category. I see us dropping a couple games in our cupcake schedule as this team continues to grow. B1G basketball, even when re-loading, is super tough and I think we will see some more growing pains there.
He sired a baseball team... An orchestra, if you count the bastards!
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Jun 17, 2011 3:45 PM CDT reply actions
What he said.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 17, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I voted for 17-19
But I think we win between 16-18. The B1G is still going to be a tough place to hold home court when your student section sucks and win on the road (especially at Wiscy and Purdue). I think we drop one OOC that we shouldn’t sneak up on a team in B1G play that we shouldn’t and drop a couple home games that we shouldn’t. We are still rebuilding and have almost no inside presence anymore, and that is really going to be tough to handle once we get into B1G play.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
Curtis Painter would have thrived at Mizzou
He would have filled-in nicely for the recently-departed Blaine Gabbert.
I drink the McCaffery kool-aid (and long to eat the McCaffery apple cobbler)
20+ wins. It’s nearly inevitable with our ridiculously easy OOC schedule. NIT but not NCAA, we sit on the bubble for the entire B10 season.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
I'm buying the 20 win hype.
As Bama noted on the Twitters, even with 20 wins, the RPI isn’t likely to be very good and probably results in an NIT berth for the Hawkeyes. A deep run in the B1G tourney could be all the push the Hawkeyes need, though. I’m excited.
The talent Penn State lost
was Talor Battle based, right?
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
and 3 other starters
jeff brooks was very good for them last year, and david jaclson and andrew jones were decent role players. they had no bench at all last season, so theyre left with tim frazier and a bunch of guys who barely played last year and freshman.going to be a very long season.
Thanks for the clarification
I really didn’t pay attention to basketball last year, so Battle was the only name I could come up with from PSU.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 17, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
The cupboard are a far cry from bare at PSU
PSU should have a relatively (for PSU) talented team that just happens to be criminally inexperienced. I think PSU will struggle mightily before Valentine’s Day, but by the end of the season will be a team that will, even if they’re not winning, strike fear into some hearts.
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*cupboards
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if they're "criminally inexperienced", they should talk to Fred Hoiberg and figure out how to fix that.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
by Swarley on Jun 17, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm excited. Fran has done his job at getting fans to care (at least me)
And I think a year with wins, even if they are not high-quality ones, will go a long way towards getting fan support back and starting to create a winning culture/attitude around this place.
I went 17-19
But 20+ isn’t crazy talk.
I wish we could at least get one of Michigan State and Illinois at home. OSU and Michigan at home isn’t bad as we know we can compete with them in Iowa City, but we’ve been mostly non-competitive in East Lansing and Champaign since the 90s. It’s getting close to 20 years since a win in East Lansing, and the last win in Champaign was Dr. Tom’s last year.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
So...the P-C is saying that Jeff Peterson might be on the market again
http://hawkcentral.com/2011/06/17/jeff-peterson-ponders-a-return-to-iowa
Frankly, the article reads as though he said “I’m going to transfer,” and someone said “Would you ever consider Iowa again?” and suddenly there’s a story to write, even if it’s not a story at all.
However, the idea of using that spare scholarship for this season on an experienced guy for a backup PG doesn’t sound too horrible.
I could do without him.
6 ppg, 2.4 assists per game, and didn’t he get in some giant fight on the sideline?
After further research, he fouled an opposing player quite hard, which led to a bit of a dust-up.
It sounds like perhaps Peterson has his eyes on Florida State, anyway:
http://eye-on-collegebasketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/30050903
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 17, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
meh.
I’m not willing to stake the whole season on Cartwright’s health, because that’s what they’re basically doing right now. For one year? He can’t cause much of a problem.
And that link says nothing about Peterson having interest in FSU. the HawkCentral article lists: Iowa, Texas A&M, Virginia, Va Tech and Boston College.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
The second link says FSU is interested in him.
But yes, that doesn’t mean the reverse is true.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 17, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting.
"I’m not going to lie to you and I don’t want to sound selfish or anything, but that’s a very big deciding factor as far as getting to that tournament. But I definitely wouldn’t rule out Iowa because I love it there."
Hey, Jeff, playing at Iowa AND going to the NCAA Tournament aren’t mutually incompatible! (Although they are, um, unlikely bedfellows this coming year.)
Peterson made it clear when he left Iowa that it was strictly a basketball decision. He raved about the academics at the University of Iowa and he still does.
He just wasn’t happy playing in Lickliter’s system because Peterson wanted to play at a faster pace.
Did he not watch any games played by Lickliter-coached teams before he signed with Iowa. So weird.
Still, if he wants to come here and Fran is interested (and, obviously, if he can get the NCAA waiver that would permit him to play this year), I’d go for it. We have an open scholarship and a glaring need for depth at the point guard spot — he could fill that without also filling up a scholarship slot for too long. Ideally it would be nice to groom a young PG behind Cartwright this year, but that ship sailed when Fran declined to sign a PG this spring. I’d rather see Peterson at the point than Gatens, May, or Marble.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Am I just crazy,
or does it seem weird that guys are able to jump around now just to try to get closer to an NCAA berth?
Perhaps these guys aren’t the absolute slaves that people want us to think they are.
/this whole comment isn’t really in response to what you said, Ross. But I’m too lazy to change it to a standard comment at this point.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Jun 17, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
rather see Peterson at the point than Gatens, May, or Marble.
"GO HAWKS!" - only cure for Hawkeye Envy
by BentNotBroken on Jun 18, 2011 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly. It's pretty much the perfect situation, in my opinion.
He should know that he’ll have the back seat to cartwright, but he’s a better shooter, and I just always worry about guys who play a ton getting injured.
Of course, the drawback would be that if both are healthy, that leaves no extra minutes at PG for their plethora wings:Gatens, May, Marble, Hubbard, Oglesby, McCabe. Gates, May, Marble and McCabe played a combined 96 mpg last year (obviously, McCabe played some PF and Gatens missed games at the beginning of the season). But there are only ~80 mpg between SG and SF, and guys that would have other got some of the back-up minutes at PG wouldn’t with a new guy (Hubbard, Marble).
But then again, this isn’t an embarrassment of riches and if McCabe, Marble and Oglesby (or whoever) have to sit because they aren’t good enough, so be it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
The Minnesota thing was way old.
Had Sullinger leaving, only Iowa’s early-signing recruits Oglesby and White.
I would think they would have to believe Iowa would be better with their two other recruits.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
i give up
good night austin texas, wherever you might be
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
Some people...
like cupcakes better. I, for one, care less for them.
by Bucketochicken on Jun 18, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Iowa's got quite a bit coming back
in what will be a very young Big Ten with a year of experience under their belts with Fran. I said 13-16, but in no way would 18+ surprise me.
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope we can make a post-season tourney this year
I’ve gotten pretty sick of watching the tourneys and not having a dog in the fight. With this schedule, it’s possible (though still not a slam dunk).
I think that this young team is going to improve from last year and surprise some folks. Fran is a good coach. Having him already in place for the offseason and not scrambling to get his shit together while the paint’s still drying in his office is going to allow him to really get these kids playing well together. I voted 20+. Though I won’t be surprised or angered if we fall short of that mark, I think it’s fully within the realm of possibility.
Brunettes not fighter jets
I went 16-19
But whole heartily agree with rockyh’s sentiment about Fran. The fact they could stay remotely close to some of the B11 teams last year with Lic’s recruits is amazing. The team now has a year under their belts, a huge dose of confidence (thanks OMHR!) plus an entire off season for conditioning and working in Fran’s system. If Cartwright can stay healthy I think they could grab 16 without any upsets, 20 with playing beyond potential. This will not get to the NCAA but it should ensure an NIT berth.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
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