Assume the Position 2011: Tight End
Assume the Position is our offseason guide to the Iowa Hawkeyes football depth chart. The math is difficult, so take it from us: As time moves on, we'll know more. That's why we rank the positions from most certain to least certain.
Previously:
1. Quarterback
Tonight: Tight End
As part of an upcoming post, I've been contemplating which positions in Iowa's system are most complicated. Obviously, quarterback and MLB/WLB top that list, but there's a growing track record for tight end. Not only does an Iowa tight end need to run routes like a receiver and block like an offensive tackle, but the tough part for most incoming tight end prodigies -- the blocking -- is the key component in breaking into the setup in the ever-more-essential second tight end spot. He might be listed as a backup, but the second tight end is probably more important to Iowa's overall offense than the slot receiver.
Finally...
Brad Herman (#39, Senior, 6'5", 250, Metamora (IL) HS)
Brad Herman's career has been strange. He entered Iowa as one of those classic Ferentz recruits: Completely ignored by everyone, with only intermittent interest from non-BCS programs like Northern Illinois and Purdue, despite playing both ways for a state champion. By all accounts, he was big, agile, productive, and hardworking. He was so good, in fact, that he didn't redshirt as a freshman, instead spending the season on special teams. He was trapped behind upperclassmen at both linebacker and tight end (hence the linebacker number), but coaches at both positions raved about his weight room work. For two years, it looked like Herman, and not Reisner, would succeed Tony Moeaki at tight end.
And then 2010 came, and Allen Reisner -- not Herman -- took over at tight end, and C.J. Fiedorowicz -- not Herman -- received all the accolades from the coaches, and Herman was kind of forgotten. Sure, he was the second-string tight end throughout the season and had his first productive season (9 catches, 154 yards). But Brad Herman, who the offensive and defensive coaches fought over, who didn't even redshirt despite being a small-school guy who nobody wanted, who had so much buzz, was losing out to Allen Reisner? In three years, he has 10 catches and 157 yards? He's still playing special teams?
Brad Herman finally has his shot at the top spot with one year of eligibility remaining. For the first time, there's no upperclassman in front of him. There's nothing standing between him and the big season we've expected for three years. That is, if he can hold off the challenge of the next big, agile Iowa true sophomore special teams standout...
The Polish Hat
C.J. Fiedorowicz (#86, Sophomore, 6'7", 250, Johnsburg (IL) HS)
From the moment he decommitted from Illinois and signed with Iowa, Fiedorowicz's potential has fascinated Hawkeye fans. He's huge, he runs like a deer, he received four stars from every recruiting service, he played seven positions in high school (including quarterback and safety), and his name is awesome. There were questions of his toughness, of whether he could take contact, but they had little foundation. When word came that he wouldn't redshirt, fans stopped asking whether he would switch positions and began speculating on whether he would immediately start.
Neither of those happened. Unsurprisingly, Fiedorowicz played special teams. And Fiedorowicz lit people the fuck up. I remember the first few times I saw Bob Sanders light someone up, and it felt like that. Polish Hat so consistently crushed people on special teams this season that we have to think Ferentz is reconsidering using him as a tight end. If the contact questions are gone -- and they most certainly are -- then why not offensive line or defensive end?
Fiedorowicz will likely take the second tight end spot this season, giving him a chance to work on his blocking. Given the sheer volume of tight ends on the Iowa roster, if he takes to it like he took to special teams duty last year and wouldn't be opposed to a change, I don't think the position change questions are definitively answered. Until we hear otherwise, he's a tight end, and a potentially freakish one at that.
While You Wait for the Others
Zach Derby (#85, Junior (RS), 6'3", 235, Iowa City HS)
Yes, he's the older brother of A.J. Derby. Yes, he had some disciplinary problems in the past. Yes, he's the second tight end on the roster named after a kind of hat. Yes, I was confused for a second when much of the post-spring game talk was of Derby's performance (for a second, I honestly thought they'd moved A.J. into the rotation). But Zach Derby, a former walk-on who many believed was on the roster solely as an additional chip to play in A.J.'s heated recruitment, might be a legitimate threat. He split reps at TE2 with Fiedorowicz in the spring open practice. While Fiedorowicz's pedigree might give him a leg up here, it won't with Ferentz; walk-on tight ends have followed Derby's track more than once before.
Austin Vier (#81, Freshman (RS), 6'7", 225, Ballard HS (Huxley, IA))
Vier was a complete unknown when he landed an Iowa offer at a summer camp; there wasn't a scouting service who had even mentioned him, and he had no other offers to speak of (despite going to school 15 miles south of Ames). He's got a massive frame and played quarterback in high school, two calling cards of Ferentz recruits. He's ostensibly a tight end -- he's still listed there on the depth chart -- but more likely he's still a man without a position, and could show up in any of a half-dozen spots.
Ray Hamilton (Number unknown, Freshman, 6'5", 230, Strongsville (OH) HS)
Rodney Coe, Darian Cooper, Cyrus Kouandjsiowjeflaskdfm and others may have gotten more press this winter, but Ray Hamilton might have been Iowa's biggest recruiting score of 2010. Ranked as the eighth-best tight end recruit in the country by Rivals, Hamilton held offers from everyone who is everyone outside the SEC: Michigan, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Florida State, Oregon, UNC, Wisconsin, etc. Even Ohio State got in the game late. It didn't matter, though, as Iowa landed his commitment in June and held on the rest of the way without drama. Odds are he redshirts, just as odds are on any freshman redshirting, but those big, agile types seem to find their way to special teams duty recently.
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Amyone know
What position Herman played for Metamora? I remember watching the IL state finals a few years back and their RB just dominated the game. I think it was Herman.
by GaryDolphinSafeTuna on May 9, 2011 8:15 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
He was everywhere
He ostensibly played tight end and linebacker, but they moved him all over the field on both sides of the ball. Man amongst boys thing in small-school football.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
I know multi-positional guys are coveted
but it seems like no school chases after these guys more than Iowa, not to mention has well documented success with them. It makes me wonder why a trend hasn’t developed among other programs with that in mind.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on May 9, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Especially more programs like Iowa
that tend to be middle of the road programs that have trouble drawing the really big recruits
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on May 9, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, about that
Programs like Iowa that tend to be middle of the road programs that have trouble drawing the really big recruits
So, is that never going to change? We’re definitely well above “middle of the road” at this point, but how long does it take for name recognition to really work? Oregon seems to have turned it on very well, but they also have Uncle Phil, flashy uniforms, and a fancy-pants offense. I guess we’re so “traditional” that it might take longer, if it ever happens.
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by therealCatnuts on May 9, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it is already happening. We're getting high profile TE recruits.
Some high profile RB recruits as well.
by HawkeyeRecon on May 9, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Shonn Greene may be the best thing to ever happen to our program as far as recruiting RBs goes.
I got 99 donuts cuz a bitch ate one.
by Pain in the Sash on May 9, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
But how long-lived is that?
We had top-flight QB recruits (JC6, Chris Leak) looking at us after Banks for all of about 18 months.
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by therealCatnuts on May 9, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Tate was a 4* recruit. As was JC6.
The only way to keep the pipeline going is via continued success. Banks begat Tate who begat JC6.
The success of Gallery and Steinbach and the other early Iowa OL under Ferentz opened the doors to high-star guys like Doering, Richardson, etc. The continued success of Iowa OL has kept those doors open for guys like Bulaga, Donnal, etc.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Ross is a very observant and smart man.!
This has given us a chance at the upper echelon of talent in the Illinois area.
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
Not to mention Weinke was highly touted his Jr. Year.
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by Pain in the Sash on May 9, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
And we were thisclose to getting Leak
until the Zooker beat us out at the end (while he was at Florida, the man can recruit, just not coach). Of course, if we had gotten Leak, we never would have gotten Tate so it is what it is.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah, I remember Iowa flew Leak out for a visit.
I was thinking, Iowa is competing with the ‘big’ schools. Flying a kid in for a visit, I almost couldn’t believe it.
"Hardcore will never die, but you will."
I don't think it's that uncommon for Iowa to fly in recruits that are coming from a significant distance.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I seem to recall
that it really came down to either Iowa or Florida for Leak, and that Lemming – who was advising the Leak family on his recruitment – was pushing Iowa really hard. Of course, this was 9 years, and many, many beers, ago, so my memory may be imperfect
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
i remember the same
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think Lemming was doing the same...
with Tom Zibikowski, and he ended up going to Notre Dame.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 10, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
As much as I hate to think it
I remember hearing that we lost Leak as much as Florida won him. The way I heard it, he was keeping a recruiting diary and his entry regarding Iowa was about as boring as it could possibly be. Everywhere else he went was filled with exciting activities, etc.
That’s just the way I heard it, so you know, I’m not saying, I’m just saying.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Black athlete finds Iowa City cold and boring
Not unreasonable IMO
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by therealCatnuts on May 9, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Uuuh...
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on May 9, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
spit it out then
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by therealCatnuts on May 9, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
We had top flight recruits looking at us because we went from shit to the Orange Bowl in no time flat
Who wouldn’t want to go to a team with that type of developmental prowess?
I got 99 donuts cuz a bitch ate one.
by Pain in the Sash on May 9, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
That was kind of my point
That we have used this equation to be successful beyond what we should have been capable of given that we’re Iowa. My question is why are people so touchy on this subject? We can bring in big recruits for certain positions fairly consistently, but it’s not like we’re pulling in top 15 recruiting classes every year.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on May 10, 2011 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Multi positional..
How about C.J. Fiedorowicz, (from hawkeyesports.com)
Career – - earned four varsity letters in football, playing tight end, wide receiver, running back, quarterback, linebacker, defensive end and free safety . . . also used as long snapper . . . returned punts and kickoffs . . . team captain as a senior
Long snapper?
SWEET! Looks like we’ve got that spot locked down for the next 3 years!
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
This
…Completely ignored by everyone, with only intermittent interest from non-BCS programs like Northern Illinois and Purdue…
I got to say I loved the subtle, yet obvious rip on OMHR!
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
/EDSBS'd
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on May 9, 2011 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't follow
Is Northern Illinois in a BCS conference now?
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
That would make DeKalb the most depressing B10 town possible.
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by therealCatnuts on May 9, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Evanston would like a word with you.
I got 99 donuts cuz a bitch ate one.
by Pain in the Sash on May 9, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
At least Evanston is a short El ride away from a proper city.
DeKalb is a poor man’s West Lafayette.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Very good point.
It just sounds like a corn field.
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by Pain in the Sash on May 9, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Corn fields are much more interesting than DeKalb
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by therealCatnuts on May 9, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Sad, but sooo true.
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
HAHA
You just gave me the good laugh I needed. Thank you.
I got 99 donuts cuz a bitch ate one.
by Pain in the Sash on May 9, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget about the oasis
Exciting tollway action!
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on May 9, 2011 6:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Some cornfields have signage that says DeKalb.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 9, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I love you just for that statement alone!
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST
Somewhere, Joe Tiller's moustache wiggled in anger.
Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on May 9, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Holy Shit I know
That is as far as I have read so far and still knew it was the only thing I would want to comment on.
I got 99 donuts cuz a bitch ate one.
by Pain in the Sash on May 9, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
oh SNAP!
America, you're looking good: handsome, free and tall.
by Close Shave America on May 9, 2011 9:17 AM CDT reply actions
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by Close Shave America on May 9, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Good write-up
but I’m not sure why it was so surprising that Reisner was the go-to guy at TE last year. He’s been ahead of Herman every single year.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Agreed
I don’t remember anyone counting on Herman to beat out Reisner. Reisner played major minutes in 2008 and 2009.
by H I McDonnough on May 9, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
A 6'7" 225 lb walk-on TE from rural IA?
So this Austin Vier kid is absolutely going to be the next Robert Gallery, right?
\begins planning 2014 Outland Trophy award show party
"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on May 9, 2011 12:22 PM CDT reply actions
Gotta figure one of the 6'7" TEs makes the switch
No way Ferentz lets offensive tackle potential get by him
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Could just be like that asshole receiver from OMHR that caught seventy billion passes against us
Forgot his name though just remember he was about 6’8
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by Pain in the Sash on May 9, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Polish Hat
was pretty adamant about wanting to play Tight End. One of the reasons he dumped Illinois was because Iowa uses their TE’s in a way he considered more favorable.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Which is to say at all
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on May 9, 2011 6:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Why the fuck?!?!
then why not offensive line or defensive end?
So… a guy who’s calling cards are agility, speed and pass-catching ability, and now that they’ve taught him to block we want to completely take away his best skill set? I honestly don’t get this.
A high recruit comes to Iowa specifically because “Iowa uses its tight ends” and then people want to move him to tackle? Unless the guys route-running and catching skills really aren’t up to snuff – and from what I saw of his high school video, they are – I can fathom no logical reason to move him to the “interior” line. I understand how good guys like Gallery (and others) turned out to be at tackle, but why not have a TE who can do that AND catch as good as anyone. After all, that’s what they had with Moeaki. No one was even thinking about him playing offensive line, but his blocking is what’s made him as good as he is.
There’s a dozen or TEs every year that can run and catch, and probably just as many (although less notable) who can block well. Those that can do both are few and far between.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
While the WTF comes off as confrontational, I do respect the author's intelligence, knowledge and logical abilities...
…so I am truly interested in the thought behind this that would make him consider this.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
And, by the way
it’s an excellent question, and one I plan on tackling often this offseason (as I’ve said in just about every BHGP offseason).
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
Because OTs are much more valuable than TEs
Don’t believe me? Just check the NFL salary lists, tackles command far higher a premium. Second, because right now we have about 3,689 TEs on the roster, at some point someone is going to have to move positions if they hope to ever see the field.
Obviously, any position change is going to have to be The Polish Hat’s decision, or at least one he buys into and agrees to whole-heartedly. But the precedent is there to take a (very) tall TE and turn him to an outstanding left tackle, and that might be something The Polish Hat wants to explore, especially if he starts putting on a lot more weight (which often happens when one gets Doyle-ized). I think – not to put words in his mouth – that PV mentions a change because CJ’s special teams play last year indicated a guy who likes to lay the wood to people, and certainly has an aptitude for it. If that’s the case, that desire is better served playing on one of the lines.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
What Hoya said, in a different way:
Iowa’s always had a penchant for “upgrading” guys with special athletic skills into positions requiring more size. We’ve documented it before in talking about players like Matt Roth (LB to DE), Mitch King (LB to DT), Matt Kroul (LB to DT), Karl Klug (LB to DT), Robert Gallery (TE to OT), Jeff Tarpinian (DB to LB), Christian Ballard (TE to DE/DT), and now Riley Reiff (LB/DE to OT), Broderick Binns (LB to DE), Mike Daniels (DE to DT), and Steve Bigach (LB to DT). It’s become so prevalent and so successful for both the players and the coaches that, as you well know, Iowa now pursues a bunch of random 6’4" 235 lb. seniors who played quarterback or inside linebacker and knows it can convert them into whatever they want. Because of that, Iowa’s always going to have an upperclassman who can capably play tight end somewhere in their system (see Allen Reisner and Brandon Myers). You can’t say the same for left tackle (where we’ve now had back-to-back first rounders, but remember the Kyle Calloway experience in 2007 for what happens when you don’t) or weakside defensive end (where I get the feeling we’re about to find out just how lucky we were).
It’s about maximizing marginal utility: Putting the athletic capabilities of your team in spots where those talents are both most needed and scarcest. If Polish Hat really has hands as soft as a baby’s behind and can catch the ball like McNutt, then the Moeaki route might well be the best way to go (Tony Mo was 6’4" 250 when he got here and never changed positions because he could run and catch so well). But if you are convinced that Zach Derby can spend a year at TE2, take the promotion, and then graduate just in time for a couple years of Ray Hamilton or Jake Duzey and that their performance would be marginally comparable to Fiedorowicz in that spot, you’re basically obligated to move Polish Sombrero to a spot where that freakish multidimensional talent can best be used. Those spots are naturally in pass rush or protecting the pass rush, both critical to Iowa’s success since the day Bryan Bulaga and Adrian Clayborn took over in mid-2007 and early 2008, respectively.
And if Fiedorowicz is just that much better than everything else you have, then you keep him there and make him a target. And you do it now, because obviously you have seen enough to believe he’s best at tight end. Either way, I defer to the coaches, as they clearly understand the problem and find solutions for maximizing talent better than any staff in the country.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on May 9, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If a move is made, which is more likely: DE or OT?
I don’t recall having heard much about a significant improvement in blocking abilities, and his special teams hits seem to show a penchant for destroying people. Assuming he were to move, does he redshirt to add ~30 lbs, or does the coaching staff ask him to stay available as a back-up TE and expect the size to come in the offseason?
by The Mexican't on May 9, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it depends on what they do with him this offseason
Because you have to work from the assumption that Reiff is leaving early at the end of this year, you want Polish Hat (1) 40 pounds stronger, and (2) with a half-season of guard work under his belt when he inherits the LT spot next season. If they can convince him to try a new spot and can get to (1) before August camp (a monumental “if” even for Doyle), you have to at least consider tackle, especially given their lackluster options at guard.
If they can’t get him there in time, you have to either (1A) redshirt and hope Reiff stays/another offseason plus pure athleticism has him ready for 2011, (1B) go with your stated heir to Reiff’s throne (one year of Matt Tobin /shudders) and plan on Fiedorowicz for 2012 (which would mean he does guardwork on 2011’s line, meaning no redshirt, meaning he takes over as a true junior), or (2) you move him to defensive end to hurt people or leave him at tight end to hurt different people.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
Tobin? Really?
I know what the depth chart says, but I think Scherff, Van Sloten, or Donnal are more likely heirs to Reiff than Tobin. Scherff is already following the Ferentz-approved G—>T gameplan and Van Sloten’s already seeing action as a back-up tackle (yes, at RT instead of LT, but we’ve seen movement there before). Donnal already has the size (6’7", 295), so it’s just a matter of getting the technique down with him and getting him game reps. Although that probably also means having a good summer/fall and cracking the two-deeps at some point next year.
Personally, I think thre’s a 5% chance CJ plays anything other than TE at Iowa. He came here to play TE, he has a set of skills that suggests he could be a very, very good TE, and he should have two years as TE1 (or more if he can somehow ascend past Herman on the depth chart this year — possible, but probably not all that likely).
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I agree with all of this.
Methinks the likelihood of CJF being transcendent at TE are relatively high (to pick a number out of thin air, 20%) whereas if he were to move to LT the chances are probably pretty low (less than 1%).
Remember that Iowa is somewhat likely to lose it’s LT after this season but we’re far more likely to lose our top receiving target (the only way we don’t is if Keenan Davis or CJF takes that title from McNutt). CJF seems likely to stay at TE and I, for one, think that’s the best place for him.
Of course I also agree with PV in that, I’ll defer to the coaches on this, and all, personnel decisions.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
I certainly agree with Pat's assesement of what the options are for CJ
if he were to move to the line. But I think you’re right about where his heart lies. And, at the end of the day, I think that is what will ultimately win out. Any position change has to have the player buy into it for it to have any chance of success and I don’t see CJ as being “there” yet. Plus, I think your read on the offensive line depth is pretty accurate. The real question, IMO, is whether CJ would consider a move to the other side of the ball to play as a DE/rush end.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
(This isn't supposed to be a counter-point argument, just a discussion)
First*, I am keenly aware of turning guys from smaller positions to bigger positions. Nebraska’s been doing it for decades, especially in the 90’s. It’s what made them such a “fast defense.” It was fine if they gave up 10-20 lbs at some of the positions because they knew they could their guys functionally strong AND they would be faster than anyone else. When I went there to play MLB as a walk-on, they wanted to move me to DE. Unfortunately, I had played DE in high school and just loved LB too much and couldn’t see the bigger picture.
Second, I think there’s a big difference between telling a guy when he’s recruited that you want him to move to a new position – or that it’s a possibility/probability – and “springing” it on him after he’s been at school. I’d be interested to know, of the guys you’ve mentioned, which were which, if one would even know that.
Third, of the guys you mentioned only a handful were 3-stars and only one, Ballard, was a 4-star. It makes sense to say to a 2-star or 3-star that they should move “up” a position to get on the field. There’s a difference between a guy who’s just happy to get a scholarship to a good Div I school and a guy who came to your program specifically because of how you use the position he’s projected at.
On Ballard, scout.com listed him as DE, and he was ranked as such, saying he could play TE or DE for anyone in the country. I again, think there’s a distinction between having a guy come in knowing he could play various positions, and having him come in to play a specific position, and then switching that. As in, do you think AJ Derby comes to Iowa (maybe he does, I don’t know) if they say to him, “Come here and we’ll try you at LB, maybe DE, maybe TE, see what happens” compared to telling him you’ll give him every chance to compete at the position he wants to play. (Again, in my personal experience, before i walked on at Nebraska, I went to the Air Force Academy because they said I could play ILB and wouldn’t put me at one spot.
Finally, I still like the idea f having the “best” something or other in the entire country. If the Fiedrowicz can be a really, really good receiver and a great blocking TE, maybe he won’t get the in-school accolades because he won’t have the numbers, but maybe he’s also drafted in the first round and considered a “great pick” by whomever takes him.
*Actually, what’s first is that we don’t know what Fiedorowicz thinks, and if he would want to or would not want to move, everything else is moot.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Your asterisk is the most important point for jumping off, yes.
If Iowa really recruited Fiedorowicz saying that he’s going to play tight end and only tight end, and the kid is so enthralled with the wonder of playing tight end that he simply refuses to attempt playing somewhere else, then I guess the point is moot. Better to keep him there and happy than Champaign and angry (though he won’t see us before he graduates anyway, apparently). But you have to think Ferentz could at least approach Polish Hat with the same talk he gave Gallery and Reiff and tell him that if he works hard at tight end, he might sneak into day two of the draft, but if he works hard at offensive tackle, he’ll follow the last two guys into the first round. Same goes for defensive line, which by sheer historical demand gives you a better chance of going high in the draft. With most kids, you have the conversation about getting on the field. With someone like this, you have the conversation about projecting to the next level and getting paid.
As for “having the best at something,” it’s a noble and worthwhile goal. My point is that, if he really is going to be the best tight end in the country, they probably know by now he has a shot and will leave him there (because tight end is still quite important to Iowa’s offensive philosophy and the marginal utility of having the next Aaron Hernandez is worth the loss at a “premium” position). But if he’s only going to be a good tight end, I think you probably have one of those sitting around and can use him elsewhere to better effect. You’re saying he’ll be the best, and I have no reason to dispute that. I also have no reason to believe that yet. I’m working from a baseline of, oh, Brandon Myers. I think you’re already putting him up as a rich man’s Moeaki or Clark, and (while that may well be the case in two years) I’m not willing to jump to that conclusion.
By the way, Reiff might be the best comparison here. He was a borderline 4-star and actually dropped a star with Rivals when (you guessed it) he decommitted from Nebraska to go to Iowa; he was rated as a tight end/defensive end, and I’m pretty sure nobody at any scouting service or in the program projected him as an offensive lineman or made that pitch before he hit campus. Ferentz convinced him his best shot was on the offensive line, got him in the weight room for a year, and turned him into the best lineman on a veteran unit as a redshirt freshman. He’s now a projected top 15 draft pick (very early, of course). But you need the kid to buy in if it’s going to work; if he wants tight end and only tight end, your hands are probably tied.
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As for Reiff, interesting. I'm not as versed in past commits as I am in the past two years.
(I was never creepy before now.)
I will also say that Ferentz does seem to make the best decisions for the players in these matters than merely for the team. I don’t know if I have any proof to back that up, but yeah.
And I do agree that just making it to the NFL, it’s “easier” to do it as a lineman on either side of the ball. But I think Fiedorowicz, at this point, is probably still thinking that he could be a great tight end. The lure of the ball in one’s hands is a strong one. It’s why rugby rocks!!!(sorry)
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It seems like recently the "move positions" talk happens pretty soon in a player's tenure.
Back in the early part of Ferentz’s career, guys like Clark and Gallery floated between positions for a year or two while they tried to find a good fit, but now the more common approach is to start prepping a guy for his new position as soon as he steps on campus. Ballard may have come to Iowa ostensibly listed as a TE (and I remember reading articles around the time of his recruitment/signing that talked about him as a TE), but he was playing on the defensive line by the time fall rolled around. Guys like Klug and King came to Iowa as LBs, but I don’t recall much (any?) serious discussion about them staying there; the plan always seemed to be to bulk them up and put them at DT/DE.
I can’t think of any guys outside of McNutt and Hyde that have moved positions after previously establishing themselves at a different position. McNutt did it because he was never going to see the field at QB and he had uncommon athleticism that allowed him to transition to WR. Hyde did so out of significant team need, mainly. (And, really, he seems to be following the opposite of your interesting “premium” position theory, going from a legitimate premium position (CB) to a non-premium position (FS), although I guess the counter-argument is that he might have a better opportunity to even make the NFL as a FS than as a CBS.)
Which is to say if CJ Fed is going to play something other than TE, time’s a-wasting; he’s spent last fall and this spring at TE, as well as the entire 2010 season. There haven’t been any whispers of him trying another position (or not whispers that I’ve heard anyway) and if he doesn’t make a switch this summer/fall, is it really worth it to do so? He’ll likely be the unquestioned TE1 in 2012 and 2013 and there’s a lot of value in that. If you assume he’s not going to stay longer than four years, then the longer you wait to move him the harder it’s going to be to get him up to speed at a new position. I also think it could be strange to move him to OL when the thing that’s mainly kept him off the field so far is his blocking. He may have been listed as a TE, but he was effectively a WR in high school; that’s a big transition to make.
I’m intrigued by the idea of maximizing guys at premium positions, though, and Fiedorowicz certainly makes for an interesting test subject.
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I think you hit it on the head
And, to beat the dead horse, Reiff is again the great example of this. I think it is pretty clear in retrospect that the coaches had Reiff sized up for the OL from the moment he stepped on campus (and through the pita pit, zing!) and worked to get him ready for the offensive line as quickly as possible. And it seems like Reiff was on board with this and took to it like a fish to water. Unless CJ makes the switch this summer, I don’t see it happening without a redshirt year, because too much time will have ticked off his eligbility.
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Speculation is fun (and a fine way to pass the time in the long months of the spring and summer)...
but the reality is that we have access to so little information about these situations. We know what position guys are listed at when they come to Iowa and we know a little about what their/the coaches’ expectations are for them coming to Iowa… but after that we know very little. We never hear from them until they’re redshirt freshmen or sophomores since Ferentz doesn’t all true freshmen to be interviewed. We rarely see them on the field since they’re true freshmen (and when we do it’s often in special teams situations rather than at their typical position). We know very little about what’s going on there; really only what manages to slip out through people who can observe practice or who know players.
Again, speculation is fun and a perfectly good way to kill some time during the spring/summer months… but we should also remember how little we really know about many of these situations.
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Agreed, absolutely
As it regards CJ specifically, there has been almost no word about a possible position change, either here or from sources like Morehouse, that talk has been dominated by the Derby discussion. And we probably won’t know anything until they break summer camp, if CJ is still the TE then, and actually getting playing time, I have a feeling that will quell any talk of moving inside on the line.
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Good point.
Also, I don’t think we’ve ever had a recruit who was nearly as highly coveted as CJF switch positions. There probably isn’t a team that wouldn’t take him as a TE, in the country.
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Ferentz has moved at least one player from TE to OL and back to TE, thus killing his playing time entirely.
CJ Barkema came to Iowa City as a TE, was asked to add 40 pounds to become a LT during his sophomore and junior seasons and then asked to shed that weight and be prepared to catch the ball again during his senior year.
Barkema was just a 2-star TE, so it’s a bit different, but the precedent is there for Ferentz to be a bit shaky in his decision making re: position changes.
by The Mexican't on May 10, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, there are a few guys like that.
I guess Tyler Blum is another one; that poor dude was shifted around a ton between offense and defense. And guys like Adam Robinson and Jason White have been moved around at times, depending on need issues mostly. So, yeah, there are cases like that. I just think that more often than not the coaches have position changes in mind from the get-go and do what they can to get the ball rolling soon. The longer you take to make the move, the harder it is for it to be effective.
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Further, I'm sure the coaches discuss this with the players when they're recruiting them.
I’ve seen plenty of guys, even in the past two years, be listed at one position while, on the same site, an article quotes them as saying they are being recruited at a different position. When there isn’t as much information out there, I’m sure the exact information of what was discussed between player and coach isn’t always accurate.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Nebraska tyger?
YO, THIS MOTHERFUCKER AIN’T ONE OF US. HE SAID HE’D FUCK A SHEEP!
by Eyeheartfreedumb on May 10, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
eh, at the time it was in-state tuition and they had open tryouts for, literally, any full-time student
And I was coming from a different school and didn’t know if Iowa had the same thing.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
As I understand it, it's invited tryouts only at Iowa
My younger brother went through the process
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by therealCatnuts on May 10, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Does it count as an invite...
if you buy a ticket and show them your moves on the turf after a game? Like that movie where the guy from the New Kids on the Block makes it on to the Eagles? My friends and I have moves that must be seen:

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by WaterlooChazz on May 10, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
And Nebraska quit doing it after they fired Solich.
Most walk-ons at Nebraska are “invited walk-ons”. Out of the 300 or so that tried out, they took 12 of us into winter conditioning. I think 11 of the 12 got to play in spring practice. Only two of us were asked to stay on after spring ball.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Other possibilities
My brother and I have been discussing what to do with all of the tight ends on the roster. Is there any chance that one of the more slender guys, like Krieger-Cole, could move outside to wide receiver? If they have the speed (big if) and the hands (not as big an if), why not have a linebacker sized guy going up against DBs? They are already used to going over the middle and could dish out some punishment on anyone foolish enough to challenge them, a la Coker in the Insight Bowl.
I don’t know if it is possible. I know Ferentz loves him some O-Linemen, and no one can fault him for finding talent at those positions. That said, is there any chance of this happening?
There's been talk of that with Duzey, yes.
I don’t know about HKC’s speed, but the staff seems convinced Duzey can play receiver if necessary.
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I'm pretty sure Duzey played a lot of WR (not just a split out TE but way out on the numbers) as either a JR or SR.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
This is correct.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
My guess, which isn't worth any more than anyone else's.
Fiedorowicz doesn’t become the No. 1 TE in name, but does become the de facto TE receiving target. The respect for Herman being the senior stays with him starting while Fiedorowicz finishes 2nd in receptions (behind McNutt), 3rd in yards (plus Davis), and 1st in recTD’s. Derby and Vier are the back-ups, Special teams guys. Hamilton, HKC and Duzey all redshirt or contribute almost exclusively onST.
Iowa knows they aren’t expected to do much and the offense is questionable. I think they’ll take advantage of the unique capabilities of both A.J. Derby and C.J Fiedorowicz to try to make the offense a little bit more efficient.
Fiedorowicz will blow up his junior and go pro. Derby will be TE No. 2. Hamilton will come in as a sophomore, and, along with Vier and HKC and others will provide a great TE group. Duzey will play WR.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think Polish Hat is here because he won't get made into a tackle.
He could have done that at many places.
I think we’d be more likely to convert some guys from low on the depth chart at TE to other positions.
Finally, does anyone else get “funny feelings” about the idea of Iowa using, like, 5 TEs in an offensive set? How awesome would it be to have some mid-tier Big Ten team with either undersized DBs or slow LBs, and just have Iowa throw go routes to the TEs (if there are a bunch of LBs around) or high passes (if there are a bunch of DBs around). All we need is a catchy name for this set.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 9, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Big 'ums.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I like it.
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by therealCatnuts on May 10, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
The Bubblicious Set.
Run it so KF feels safe taking his eyes off the field for a play (to get a new piece of gum).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on May 10, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
My try was:
Tight, tight, tight for Iowa.
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by WaterlooChazz on May 10, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
This
I posted something earlier about this in an INPIYL2I but when TE Coach Johnson was speaking for the STL I-Club he made a point of stressing that he was impressed with CJF’s catching, and that he had a chance to be a significant contributor to the offense.
Ok, but on the way we've gotta stop by a toy store and at least get him a stuffed animal, something. It's like...meowschwitz in there. -Sterling Archer
by The Nihilist on May 9, 2011 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I have the suspicion
that Vier might be the one to make the move to tackle. Or to the D-line, assuming the Polish Chapeau does not.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
OT: Any news on Dan Heiar's health?
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Not good
Nothing new, per se, but he’s looking extremely doubtful for this season from what little birds are telling me.
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You're consorting with the birds from Rio?
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on May 9, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
The Angry Birds on his I-Pad keep him informed.
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by WaterlooChazz on May 9, 2011 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the update
Good luck to the kid, sounds like a shitty thing to happen to what he said was his dream
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by therealCatnuts on May 9, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish him a speedy and full recovery.
But hopefully next time he won’t drink and drive.
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Yeah, I was trying to avoid dumping on that part of the story.
He wouldn’t be the first (myself included) to not realize how stupid that is when in his early 20s.
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by therealCatnuts on May 10, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a shame
Guy works his ass off to get an offer out of JUCO only to have it end on the highway outside of Iowa City. Hope he has a complete and quick recovery, for his own sake.
From the team standpoint, any word on MacMillan (the Canadian)? He was pretty good last year before the injury, but he has definitely been hit by the injury bug throughout his time here. He and Bernstine should avoid being in the same place at the same time.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah, he can't seem to stay healthy.
My understanding was that he’ll be full-go for summer/fall practice, so I imagine he’ll be in the thick of things to get one of the guard starting spots then.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Gettis is kind of the same way
Came in undersized, had to bulk up, finally looks like he’s going to have his breakthrough season last year, then gets hurt again. Guess it’s a good thing Scherff has been impressing and making moves given that we will most likely need him in the events that the two (I’m projecting) starters Gettis and MacMillan both seem to have Moeaki-itis. Wonder if this summer will also be when Donnal starts to move up the depth chart.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
FWIW (and if anyone goes back to read it)...
…the last line of the QB ATP needs to be fixed.
On Rudock:
He’s already announced he will redshirt, which is both wholly unexpected and smart.
It was expected from me, and, I think, many others, incl. the author. Unless, of course, the author really didn’t expect it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Well, he is a backup Iowa QB,
so he must be the best QB in the country.
/typical Iowa fan’d
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