Sweatervest Seppuku: Jim Tressel Resigns In Disgrace From Ohio State
by RossWB on May 30, 2011 11:26 AM CDT
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Former Ohio State head football coach Jim Tressel, early Monday morning in his Columbus offices.
It's all over the interwebs, first broken by the Columbus Dispatch this morning: Jim Tressel's sweatervest will never again be seen on the sidelines at Ohio State. Frankly, this seemed like the most likely outcome for months, ever since Tatgate bubbled up again with revelations about what Tressel knew -- and when he knew it. The only question seemed to be whether or not Tressel would quit or be fired, although in the end even that wasn't really much of a question. For the decade of dominance that Tressel brought the Buckeyes, he was probably owed a chance to leave with at least the nominal appearance that he was leaving of his own accord, rather than being unceremoniously evicted from his generalissimo chair.
Of course, as SI's Andy Staples noted, Tressel's resignation also makes sense from a pragmatic standpoint, since it allows OSU and Tressel to attempt to position the lawlessness as "a Jim Tressel problem, " rather than "an Ohio State problem," thus (hopefully) avoiding USC-style sanctions that could cripple the program. Whether or not they'll be successful in that attempt -- stay tuned. As far as what prompted Tressel to decide now to say his goodbyes to Buckeye-land... the hot rumor is an upcoming SI article by George Dohrmann that lobs a few more hand grenades at Tressel's already tattered image. (EDIT: And here is the article in question.)
So what does this mean for Iowa and the Big Ten? Well, it means one of the most dominant Big Ten coaches of all-time (106-22 record, six straight Big Ten titles and seven overall) is no more. In the short term, co-defensive coordinator Luke Fickell takes over the hot seat on an interim basis and he inherits a team dealing with a lingering cloud of scandal and the very real issue of multiple suspensions. Fickell has never been a head coach -- at any level -- and isn't expected to do more than fully live up to the "interim" part of his new job title. And after Fickell? The rumors will probably fly fast and furious -- there are already plenty suggesting the usual suspects like Urban Meyer, Mark Dantonio, and Jon Gruden and we've been doing our part to rejuvenate #KOK4OSU -- but odds are nothing substantive will happen until the NCAA hands down its sanctions.
From an Iowa perspective, it means the end of the Big Ten coach who has bedeviled Ferentz more than any other (he was just 1-5 against Tressel's OSU teams, though the lone win was a glorious one, a 33-7 curbstomping in 2004). Obviously, there's no guarantee that Ferentz and Iowa will be any more successful against a new coach -- a 14-46-3 all-time record is plenty of evidence for the notion that Iowa's Buckeye woes go far beyond the Tressel Era -- but it's hard to imagine that Iowa could be any worse against his successor than they were against the Sweatervest. As mgoblog said, "Ding dong, the witch is dead."
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See you in Chicago,
OSU Wisconsin.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I wonder how many Iowa fans would choose annual games with PSU, Wisco, and Illinois over annual games with Minny, Nebraska, and jNW.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I was thinking the same thing for us.
And how that douchebag leading the schmucks in Madison fell up again.
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on May 30, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd love to play PSU and Wisky every year,
but, in the long run, I see it like this:
Iowa v Nebby > Iowa v PSU
Iowa v Minny arguably has more tradition than Iowa v Wisky, although lately the Wisky series has had more zest.
Iowa v jNW > Iowa v Illinois to most people not named McCann’t.
Also, if we do somehow get a shot at playing PSU, Wisky, and Illinois more often (hopefully through the Big Ten Title game, or especially in Illinois’s case, through a 9-game league schedule), that would be helpful.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
You can't make a "long run" argument
and then claim that Iowa v jNW > Iowa v Illinois. Samberg rules!
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
I should have said,
in the long run going forward.
Samberg pretty much sucks.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
So in the long run going forward
Iowa v Minny > Iowa v Wisky??? Samberg rules.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Stop bothering me with the faults of my own logic.
And I’m not backing down on this, Andy Samberg is awful.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
First of all, that particular video wasn't even that bad.
Secondly, Happy Birthday to the ground!
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
They tazed his butthole over and over again,
and you’re trying to tell me this supports the notion that Samberg is funny?
No.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
What, you think I'm stupid?
My dad is not a cell phone!
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Unending joy aside...
I wonder where this ends. USC style restrictions? SMU style restrictions?? Slap on the wrist, or is this a death blow for Ohio State for many years to come? I wonder if the resignation came after they found even more emails…
The sanctions would've been greater had he not resigned
I think that’s what the NCAA was making clear to tOSU. He resigns and we’ll go easy on you. You keep him and you’re dead.
by mikjones24 on May 30, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I foresee the NCAA putting on USC-type restrictions at the most.
People have said the NCAA will probably never use the death penalty on a major program again.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, if by "OK" you mean
moving down to the WAC or C-USA, never winning a true league title, and having your wife get killed by lightning , then yes.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
You have to be a repeat offender to get SMU style restrictions
/duckslightningbolt
I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them...I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors." -Nick Saban
Apparently i. makes the rest of the paragraph italicized.
I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them...I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors." -Nick Saban
Really? I was not aware of that particular SBN trick.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I tried to say i dot space e dot space and that’s what came out. never seen that before.
I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them...I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors." -Nick Saban
SBN is full of formatting tricks and mysteries, frankly.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
s. struckthrough
I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them...I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors." -Nick Saban
So i dot works, and b dot works. s dot doesn’t. I had to do two line breaks after the italics to get the bold.
This is practically useless, just interesting.
I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them...I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors." -Nick Saban
Well you know what they say...
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I don't know how to put this, but
I’m kind of a big deal.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Jim Tressel
like Circuit City, are things from 2002 that don’t functionally exist in 2011.
"Bama Hawkeye, you know, the Iowa blogger who actually uses reason and analysis." - Patrick Vint
http://www.offtackleempire.com
by Bama Hawkeye on May 30, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
I saw this on MGoBlog,
but I think it originally came from EDSBS. That might make it OK to post, right?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
The comments over on Eleven Warriors are
predictably nauseating. “A fine man…integrity….honor” are words being used. I hate that program more than ever.
It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.
by FiveSecondRuleChef on May 30, 2011 12:27 PM CDT reply actions
What I love
Is how they’re acting like this was a witch hunt and how Tressel is bulletproof and holier than thou. Typical tOSU.
On ATO,
they’re trying to deflect most of the blame to the players.
I decided to comment.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Ugh
I’ve been thinking the same thing.
The man didn’t die, for Pete’s sake. He got caught trying to hide that his players were breaking rules from the NCAA. Painting him as some kind of saint just doesn’t wash, but whatever helps you sleep at night, Bucky.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on May 30, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I felt bad...
until I learned he already had another job lined up
by hawk6894 on May 30, 2011 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
It's beautiful.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
by HawKCP on May 30, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec of the year!
It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.
by FiveSecondRuleChef on May 30, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I just made this my Facebook image.
It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.
by FiveSecondRuleChef on May 30, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
And if you buy the shitbox for $495,
he’ll throw in the Big Ten Ring on his pinky.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe we can find improprieties for 2009. Vacate their wins from that year.
Iowa is 2009 B1G champs.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
This may be the only time...
Gene Smith is more inconsolable than Jamie Pollard.
Back to the Char-Broil! Have a great Memorial Day, BHGPers!
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on May 30, 2011 1:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Seriously though
Gene Smith and Gordon Gee are next. None of them will survive this.
Gene Smith was so much cooler when he was Hightower
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Tackleberry!
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on May 30, 2011 1:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep
It’s head-choppin time.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on May 30, 2011 1:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Gee canned him, and you are wrong.
Gee is untouchable. Smith is headed to a mid-major.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
by Bellanca on May 30, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup and Yup.
And yup and yup.
I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them...I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors." -Nick Saban
Mid major? Back to ISU?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on May 30, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see what you did there.
And I liked it.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I shouldn't have to share a conference with these people.
Stop trying to be the SEC, Ohio. You can’t do it.
"The more I get into politics the more I realize that I am a guitar player."
by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Except, that means PSU is Bama (although cleaner, but also with boring classic uniforms).
I just blew ur mind.
/no jokes about me blowing things, please.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I like that one.
John Glenn would have forwarded that fucking e-mail.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not Ohio.
Rolling hills are too exciting, too challenging for Ohio farmers. Seriously, let’s see them clear the land and raise fat dairy cows like the boys up in the Allegheny Plateau of Tioga, Potter, and McKean Counties.
As for brutus, dudes, challenges only build one up to the fullest when one actually puts forth a serious effort to win through wholly legitimate means.
"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."
by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
oh ye of little geographical knowledge
Rambler, i expected better from my personal hero in this place
24 of Ohio’s counties are part of the appalachian regional commission
my house is 100 feet back from the road and sixty feet above it
john glenn is a very, very i say very (appolgies to foghorn leghorn) guy
i have met him more than a dozen times
as for the sweater vest
it was timed so we didnt even know it before we teeed off this morning
so i was unable to relish in the i told you his ass is grass speech i have been giving since march
boy is wednesday going to be fun,,,,,,
one of the few joys of being the only hawk fan for 200 miles
and as for gordy and gene,,,,,,,
they better ve working on their 401K’s
cause word on the street here is that after the NCAA gets through with them
death valley is going to be on the olentangy
the bow tie won’t be missed,
gene aint archie
alas poor eurach
i knew him well
but i still love ya rambler, you my hero
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
I want to know what kind of guy John Glenn is so "very very" about
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude, come on.
I’m going to get some pictures of glorious PA farmland and you will see that no state can challenge PA farmers for sheer balls and skills. Especially lame Ohio.
"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."
by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
How about Wisconsin?
Specifically the hilly fields with giant boulders along Route 23 on your way to Wisconsin Dells.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Why today?
Today is about lost loved ones and brave soldiers who serve, have served, and died in service to our country. The whole thing is nauseating and infuriating.
I too was wondering about the timing of this.
Couldn’t he have just saved us all some time and did it on Friday?
We find it’s always better to fire people have people resign on a Friday. Studies have statistically shown that there’s less chance of an incident if you do it at the end of the week
Now you ain't gonna come up here and steal Pepper Jack's best ho.
Next, OSU is going to offer Luke Fickell...
some stock-options and as many as three people, working right underneath him.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate to be the one to say this...
But no holiday, let alone one as important as this one, has escaped the clutches of commercialization.
"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."
by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
He did it today because of what SI is publishing tonight.
That plus, speculation only, Tressel got caught in another act of omission.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
In regard to the rest of the Big Ten, including Iowa:
I really don’t think that OSU will slip much, if at all. Maybe 10 Iowa guys would crack the top 44 at OSU. They are drowning in local talent. There are 50 coaches in the country who can make good things happen with that foundation.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
While I think you're off on the number of Iowa players that would crack the two-deeps
I think you’re dead right on their prospects going forward. They have some ridiculous advantages that I don’t think any other program in the country can touch when all factors are considered.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I was going to say Florida,
but then I forgot that OSU is the only BCS school in their state.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Who would be next closest?
Probably Texas, even if they have several BCS schools in their state. PSU also has a good population/rabid football base and little competition
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
But, at least they have PItt.
/set up for Rambler’s anti-Pitt joke.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Just moved to Ohio
this time last year. A suburb of Cleveland. Signed my 6th grader into a full contact football league. Nearly every coach was a former D1 player. Talent grows talent.
(My son started the line both ways. Made the league all star team. We’re from Algona)
It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.
by FiveSecondRuleChef on May 30, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry buyt tOSU is NOT the only bcs school
UC Bearcats are in the big east
not serious bcs
but bcs none the less
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
It's Cintucky.
Funny thing about that area: Ohio concedes Cincinnati to Kentucky, and Kentucky cedes Northern Kentucky to Ohio. Nobody wants that area.
I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them...I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors." -Nick Saban
but i would give blood
for bearcat – xavier basketball tickets,,,,
ahh for the days when huggy roamed those halls
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
Forgot about Cincy.
Because they were in C-USA until about 8 years ago, right?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
actually my memory is there last several coaches
havent done that bad,,,,,
brian kelly left there to be with the priests
d’antonio went to m state
i think zookers even did some time there,,,
and i did say they werent much of a bcs threat
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
Zook was a DC there.
I should have remembered them especially because they made a couple BCS bowls a couple years ago.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
That's why the cheating is so worse.
It’s just lazy.
"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."
by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Or the cheating helps them keep talent, which helps them be good which helps them keep talent which helps them cheat to keep talent which helps...
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
This is the song that doesn't end,
It just goes on and on, my friend,
Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was,
And now they can’t stop singing it forever just because…
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on May 30, 2011 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't expect them to fall too much, no.
Although a lot depends on what sort of sanctions the NCAA decides to levy on them — if they get hit with USC-style losses of scholarships and bowls, that will hurt for a while (at least 5 years).
They wouldn’t be the first team drowning in local talent to go through a down period because of a bad coaching hire, either. See: Zook at Florida, pre-Carroll USC, late-era Mackovic at Texas, lots of guys at Texas A&M, etc. They have plenty of advantages and should they hire another good coach, they’ll likely be fine in a few years — but you never know until you see who they hire and how they perform.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
When are the following schools going to figure out they have ridiculous advantages?
1) Illinois
2) Rutgers
3) Syracuse
4) Tennessee
5) Arizona/ASU
6) San Diego State
7) UNLV
8) Colorado
Damn, there’s a ton of schools that should be much better. Those were just a quick list off the top of my head
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
the fact ASU settles for mediocrity with such a vengance
is a complete mystery to me. every possible advantage you would need to build a behemoth program is right there but they don’t do a thing to take advantage of it.
Remember the Rose Bowl: The Story of the Alabama Crimson Tide & the Grandaddy of Them All
Dude Colorado was pretty good back in the day
until they let coaches grope kickers and pay for recruits strippers and escorts…..and then they thought they were hiring Chris Peterson but Dan Hawkins showed up…oops
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on May 31, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what advantages Colorado has beyond a nice campus, great scenery, and a reputation as a fun place to go to school.
They don’t have a really strong local talent base; per Rivals last year they had 2 4* recruits and 11 3* recruits. The year before they had 1 5* recruit, 4 4* recruits, and 10 3* recruits. That’s a better talent pool than, say, Iowa — but it’s not exactly overflowing with talent.
The best Colorado teams typically had to poach guys out of other areas, like southern California or Texas, two heavily recruited areas.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Very True
Colorado is not a hot bed for talent…McCartney and other coaches did very well in southern california…Embree might turn it around moving to the Pac 12
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on May 31, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
On a side note,
Colorado is to California what Iowa is to Illinois. A lot of kids that “can’t make it into Illinois (Berkeley and other UC system schools) go to Iowa (Colorado).”
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 31, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Truth
I’ve said this before, I’ll say it again. There are 5 programs that should never, ever be bad:
Ohio State
Penn State
LSU
Texas
USC
The first three are the only programs that matter in great HS football states. The last two are the most premier programs in larger great HS football states.
They could do nothing but harvest the great local talent that wants to play for them and be good enough to go to a bowl every year, and sometimes be good enough to compete for a MNC.
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitt matters. Historically, at least
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Since WWII
They mattered for about 8 years in the late 70s / early 80s.
In terms of all-time win%, Iowa State is closer to Iowa than Pitt is to Penn State. That’s all I have to say about that.
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I heart wikipedia
While you are absolutely correct that they haven’t mattered much in almost 30 years, they do have a huge history
Pitt has claimed nine National Championships,1 is among the top 20 college football programs in terms of all-time wins,2 and its teams have featured many coaches and players notable throughout the history of college football, including, among all schools, the eleventh most College Football Hall of Fame inductees,3 the eighth most consensus All-Americans,4 and the seventh most Pro Football Hall of Fame inductees.5
And those late 70s/early 80s teams were not just them ‘mattering’, they were a big damn deal. A national championship and several 11-1 or better finishes. Tony Dorsett, Dan Marino, Russ Grimm, and a host of great defensive players. We wish could only wish Iowa had an era that bright in our history.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Pitt has won one national championship since Chamberlain appeased Hitler.
No, really. And they haven’t won one since 1976. After 1983, they weren’t ranked once when they played Penn State. Not even once. At best they were mediocre, at worst they were losing to Ohio State in 1996 by the close score of 72-0.
Pitt was mediocre at best for three decades before Johnny Majors and Jackie Sherill started bending the rules arrived. In fact, before those years, PSU’s biggest rival was probably Syracuse. Pit had close, but losing record against PSU during the ‘70s and early ’80s, they lost to PSU after those years, and they got blown out constantly by PSU before those years. They hadn’t been nationally relevant in a long, long time and they haven’t been nationally relevant since.
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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
BFD. Doesn't Minnesota have 5 Nat. Championships?
pre-1960 records don’t mean shit.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on May 30, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
So apparently you think ISU is on par with Iowa than, right?
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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, wha?
I never said Pitt was on par with PSU but that they do matter. As does ISU, being a BCS school in the same state. We’re not talking about a Florida/Florida State/Miami situation with PSU/Pitt/Cincy, PSU rules that area. which is what makes PSU such a great opportunity, one of the 5 best in the country.
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by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
They used to matter. Past tense.
When you’ve gone over 25 years without a single season of 10 wins over 1A teams and that streak is still going, you don’t matter.
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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would put Michigan on that list
even above penn state,,,
or LSU
wow am i whopping on rambler today
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
Michigan is not a good HS football state
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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pennsylvania is usually considered better than Michigan for HS prospects.
I’m not sure if PA is still better than Ohio. I would guess yes. And obviously, the big dogs are Florida, Texas, California.
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by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
PA is probably not better than Ohio.
I looked through some stats a while ago (I stupidly deleted them) and Ohio had had at least fifteen more “top” recruits than PA since 2002. The main reason for this disparity is Philadelphia. While WPIAL country in Pittsburgh and Western PA still churns out almost entirely football players, Philly, despite a high population, hasn’t churned out that many All-Americans for PSU football (In comparison to something like 53 by Western PA) and hasn’t had nearly as many “top” recruits as one would expect. Why? Basketball owns Philly. Stupid basketball.
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by ReadingRambler on May 31, 2011 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
but how much of that is legit and how much of that is “oh this guy has an OSU offer or is an OSU commit and so now he gets another star”? I haven’t seen the stats you kept, so I have no idea.
I could believe it’s legit mainly because Ohio prospects tend to be older than their PA counterparts. It’s very rare for a kid to start kindergarten in Ohio if he’s not going to be 6 years old by Easter of that school year. It happens, but it’s generally frowned upon.
In the end, that means that it’s fairly common in PA for a HS player to be 17 years old or a young 18 when he graduates. It’s not uncommon at all for a guy to be 19 when he graduates. At that age, that’s a mildly significant age difference.
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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That picture of seppuku is disturbing
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
Yeah, I don't think guns and knives in a discussion of football is that funny.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
You didn't care for "The Last Boy Scout", did you?
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by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I just really don't think guns and football is a funny thing, but almost nothing Chazz writes strikes me as funny, so I'm sure it's just me.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
It's not just you.
/does my self-deprication bring even a grin?
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by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
You've been on a roll lately
Self-deprication-wise
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on May 30, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a man of many
talents faults.
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by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
If Tressel could get away with them, he would
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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're welcome, Big Ten.
End the SEC bowl losing streak against the AND cover for the other three Big Ten bowl teams losing to the SEC? Done. Turn over the reins to the rest of the conference for at least five years via major infraction implosion? Done.
If only we had managed to uphold the dignity of the conference. Well, two out of three ain’t bad.
I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them...I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors." -Nick Saban
I think Ohio State will see a two or three year slip...
but by slip I mean, they will lose a game in conference they usually only lost out of conference. But, unless they make the most boneheaded hire in college football history (Michigan owns that distinction right now) they will be maybe better than before. I think next year is the year for a no-name to break through. Michigan is rebounding. Penn State is in a weird state of flux (is Joe Pa long for the coaching world?), Nebraska is going to struggle more than people think for a year or two or three—new hotels, bigger linemen, etc., and Wisconsin is Wisconsin but without Barry Alvarez. If Kirk is going to lock up another conference championship he better target next year.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
The chaos of new coaches at traditional powers (I predict Pelini goes to OSU by the way)
and the new divisional format and playoff game is a recipe for unpredictability.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Pelini blows his gaskets too often. This is like a presidential search,
and the last thing they want now is a hothead. Disagree.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Ferentz
Even if I don’t believe that, it is required that somebody throws it out there.
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by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
As a frequent reader of BHGP
you should remember that the meme is KOK to OSU.
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by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
#KOK4OSU
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on May 30, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
For tOSU's sake I hope it is better than a pres search
The primary process kind of sucks
Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.
Before the primaries Donald Trump is considered a viable candidate
They do serve a purpose even if they’re horrible and drawn out.
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by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he meant presidential search
as in president of a University or corporation (CEO).
But, maybe Obama would take the OSU coaching gig if his other plans for post-November-2012 don’t work out.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
basketball, not football, for the Big O
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by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
jNW BB coach….for sure
Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.
There's a joke to be made
but I don’t feel comfortable with it
Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.
Ohio State is not going outside the family and I have a feeling Meyer is not going there
and I don’t see them going the Michigan route (up and comer). So, I can understand the counterarguments to Pelini but he can hit the ground running and Nebraska is a completely different job. More difficult in many ways.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I'd like to see a media-instigated
“Draft Bob Stoops” movement get started, again.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I could see Stoops there.
it would be surreal but I could see it. The Big 12 10 is getting weird.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
He'd have to ask one important question:
does my conference (B12) exist in 3 or 5 years.
If the answer is no, jump to OSU.
If yes, maybe stay at OU.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
It will be around
But it may be mostly a best 2-of-3 conference with UT and OU.
Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.
Okie
is pre-season #1. That’s awful hard to walk away from when you will likely face 3 years of some kind of sanctions. Plus, I’ve thought for a long time that the only way Stoops leaves Oklahoma is if he gets a bit home sick when Ferentz leaves.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
They won't hire anyone before the season.
If Stoops wins another title in Okla. OSU “only” gets hit with three years of sanctions (so two more following this year), maybe he says, “I’ll get the goodwill of rebuilding tOSU because I’m coming off a Nat’l Championship. I’ll get 5, 6, 7 years before there’s much pressure. And I know I can win 10 games almost from the get-go.”
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Well, his birthplace was in Youngstown, OH.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Getting?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on May 30, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Does anyone fear they give Capt. Kirk a look?
Considering how much he gets out of ‘Iowa-level" talent (god love him), wouldn’t he just clean up in Columbus?
Or is it too hi profile for his liking, sort of like Iowa seems to him at times.
by GaryDolphinSafeTuna on May 30, 2011 9:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The only place he'll leave us for in NCAA is PSU
That’s the scary one in a couple years
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by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
KF doesn't really have any ties to Ohio.
Unless you count 2 or 3 years as an OL coach for the Cleveland Browns.
While he has recruited a few guys from Ohio (Stanzi, DJK, and a few others), I don’t think we can say he has a lot of connections there.
KF always said that he might leave for the NFL late in his career, at a point where he didn’t care about “getting his butt shot off.” I don’t think OSU is quite the same, especially if you are dealing with the NCAA sanctions.
Plus, he’s going to be in the same conference as Iowa, which I think he still values. He still has one kid in high school, is that kid a 12th grader?
Finally, it would take big cash to bring him. And I would think that, if you are going to pay 4, 5, 6 million a year, you might as well go after Bob Stoops or someone like that.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I hadn't thought of Pelini until ESPN mentioned him today.
And he did play at OSU, and was from Youngstown. The last guy they got from Youngstown turned out…
um.
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by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
OSU learned that they need a strong defensive coach
that is the one requirement for the job. THey will not go the Rich Rod route…well, no one in the Big Ten should ever again.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Maybe they look at Charlie Strong if Louisville has a breakthrough year.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
My dream coach would be Dan Mullen, even with Meyer available.
My acid dream coach would be Mike Leach.
I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them...I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors." -Nick Saban
Earle Bruce or John Cooper.
Or a cloned test-tube combination of the two, raised in a uterus donated by Patricia Heaton.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Indiana should go the Rich Rod route
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by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Terrelle Pryor: the root of all evil.
@dandakich
Dan Dakich
OSU/Mich both changed coaches this yr one because they got Terrell Pryor the other because they didn’t
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on May 30, 2011 4:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice.
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by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I will be shocked if the Terrelle Pryor story has a better ending than the
Marcus Dupree story.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Dupree played for 4 years in the USFL & NFL with a 5-year gap due to a bad knee injury
I don’t think Pryor makes 4 years in the NFL
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I've never agreed with Dakich before,
but that is both funny and spot-on.
And of course, the old wisdom of JoePa divined that PSU should not win the affections of the wunderkind from Jeanette, PA.
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by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
dakich is like herpes
you can treat the symptons but not cure the disease
but it is one hell of a quote,,,
my question is,,,
isnt there a supplemental NFL draft ?
( I have NO NFL knowledge)
might the trinkiet five go into that?
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
Supplemental Draft is usually in July.
But who knows this year, what with the Lockout.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
would they be better bailing
then putting up with whatever rath the NCAA
might provide?
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
Quite possibly, yes.
As long as the player has been out of high school for three years.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, there is a supplemental draft.
And rumor has it at least some of the Tattoo 5 are looking into it.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Might be the most interesting supplemental draft in recent memory
They’re usually so boring and short that I can’t even remember the rules. Teams lose a draft pick in the real draft or something like that when they use the supplemental?
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
RE: Supplemental Draft
yes, for example, if you take a guy with a 3rd round flier then you lose your 3rd round pick for the next year. I seems like it would be a large risk to take a player in the supplemental draft with question marks such as these. I would find it hard for me to trust a player that has knowingly broken the rules and then taken the “easy” road out and gone through the supplemental draft. I know correlation doesn’t mean squat, and talent is hard to pass up, but I can’t see any of those guys surviving in the NFL for long, with the exception of the Adams.
Now you ain't gonna come up here and steal Pepper Jack's best ho.
And by the Adams
I mean the lineman Adams (Mike?).
Now you ain't gonna come up here and steal Pepper Jack's best ho.
Is there?
On Mike & Mike this morning they said there could be but there isn’t one scheduled because no one has declared for it yet. Golic also predicted Pryor will and that he’s already played his last game for fOSU.
A lot of people are predicting Pryor is a goner.
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by WaterlooChazz on May 31, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Poor man's Pelini?
Hmm.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I was going to say:
“Well, his face/neck skin tone would match the bright red polo shirt or jacket of OSU.”
But then, after a google image search, I realized that he might be the only human who gets more pale with anger.
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by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
And so it begins.
elevenwarriors Eleven Warriors
We’re hearing from a pretty reliable source that Terrelle Pryor’s playing days are over at Ohio State due to new allegations.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Aaand this might be why.
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/05/30/zzz.html
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
i just love the high level of intelligence
and how some people demonstrate it,,,,,,
a car deal is a transaction tracked by the state
title tags et al
or as my pappy used to say about Richard Nixon
“Duh”
god rest his soul
(Pappy’s that is)
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
Only if they buy it
if they just take it on a test drive for about a year, no transaction.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
They called that The Luke Recker when I was in school
Just sayin
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by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no illusions
that Iowa is innocent.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I refuse to stop clinging to my illusions.
I will now put a tooth in the paws of my Hawkeye Teddy Bear and hope the Tooth Fairy brings me several quarters before I wake in the morning.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I know the outcome of the investigation.
The NCAA finds that everybody kills you, kills me. Penalty to include lifetime ineligibility for living.
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by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I knew there was a reason
I wore my red sweater today.
"You want an honest answer? I have no idea."
-Kirk Ferentz
by KF Bubblegum on May 30, 2011 5:04 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Where do you live that you're still wearing sweaters on Memorial Day?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Eh...
It was for church and it was ditched for the t-shirt and shorts thereafter.
"You want an honest answer? I have no idea."
-Kirk Ferentz
by KF Bubblegum on May 30, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
looks like the SI story will be available between 7:30 and 8
at this point theres no way it can live up to the hype, right?
I just want to thank Joe and Ferentz. No matter their faults, their programs are stable. And stability makes it easier to criticise other programs for being stupid. So, thanks, Joe and Kirk.
"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."
by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Gotta throw the jerk from Northwestern in there
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I'm on board with that line of thought.
I am getting pretty tired of hearing OSU fans use the “everyone is doing it” excuse as exhibit A of why Tressel shouldn’t go.
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by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
The "everyone is doing it" is a poor excuse for why Tressel is not wrong
But it’s a good reason to strongly rethink NCAA rules. At least the B10 made serious thoughts in starting that process, let’s see if it happens.
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by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
This is true
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on May 30, 2011 10:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Why do we need to re-think the rules?
They are getting the free tuition, the books, the room and board, and, I believe, a monthly stipend. Why do we need to start paying athletes in an “amateur” sport?
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by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
These reasons have been discussed at length and with much virtue
I’ll just say that the most important for me is that the multi-billion-dollar-revenue NFL uses College Fottball as a free feeder system and even specifically states you have to be three years out of high school to play with them. No minor leagues where players can get paid, they are required to become “student athletes”. As “student athletes” they are then used for free for a ton of hours while their likenesses are sold by the NCAA for millions, their head coach makes more in a year than most of them will make in a lifetime, and their schools reap millions in tickets and merchandising. It’s not slave labor, but it’s pretty close to indentured servitude. Serve your 3+ years with no financial reward and maaaaybe you’ll get paid at the end.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Do Arena Football and the CFL and UFL have the same rules?
Or could a kid go there and play? Or, could a kid play for one of the hundreds of semi-pro teams in the USA (even Waterloo/Cedar Falls had [has?] one.)
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by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
all good point
However I just don’t give a shit. Free school is enough, or go the fuck and do something else.
Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.
by BoiseHawk on May 30, 2011 11:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I think the issue is that the scholarships they're given do not actually amount to "free school"
The reason the B1G (and the ACC, I think) are looking into paying student athletes is because the scholarship isn’t a “full ride.” I don’t know enough about the issue to know where the money falls short, but I’m fairly certain that the reason most kids start taking money from boosters is because they simply can’t afford anything.
That said, some kids take the boosters’ money too far and try to buy extravagant shit. This is a case of a few bad apples ruining the reputation of the whole bunch.
by The Mexican't on May 31, 2011 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions
That's exactly why
they’re looking at giving them a stipend. They used to get $15 a month. Now they’ll get a few hundred. That’s still not much but it will slow things down a bit.
Also, I don’t think all athletes are going to get the stipend. Not that THAT would open them up for a title IX lawsuit or anything.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I think each side has valid points here.
However, there is nothing necessary about owning several brand-new vehicles over those 3+ years. It’s bull shit and is rightfully punishable.
Well.........yeah but isnt most college stuff basically indentured servitude?
except most of us have to pay for it as opposed to getting the education free and just making the university money?
by justsomehawkeyefan on May 31, 2011 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions
This...
Even if you just count tuition costs the value is in the tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars over the typical 5-year college career.
by DrHenryKillinger on May 31, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I just don't understand why the tuition is supposed to be enough.
These kids don’t have time to get jobs, are held to higher academic standards than other students and often times cannot go back to their parents in the summer due to off-season obligations. Expecting them to live in the dorms and sublet every summer is laughable and studies have already shown that the scholarships simply do not cover the costs of living.
If the kids can’t afford to live because they’re spending all of their non-class time putting in weight work or film study, why shouldn’t the schools help them by upping their stipend to the level that a low-level job may provide? They can’t get jobs, why not give the kids $1400/month ($8.75/hr work wage) to support themselves?
by The Mexican't on May 31, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
STORY IS UP
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.html
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Tressel kind of sounds like a college football Jimmy Swaggart
minus the confession.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
If he story is
that he didn’t know anything, those emails to Pryor’s handler are going to be a problem.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on May 30, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Is this all the new stuff?
I think I’ve everything in there was already known or rumored except for:
- 22 other players since 2002 guilty of memorabilia for tatoos violation.
- allegations of memorabilia for marijuana (not clear how many players)
- Tressel potentially broke rules as an OSU assistant in the 80s as well
*Tressel may have made traffic citations “disappear” for a Youngstown State player and pretty much had to know about benefits given to players there
Am I missing anything?
Spare me your space-age techno-babble, Attila the Hun.
by KilometersDavis on May 30, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
HE RIGGED A RAFFLE!
What a heartless carny Jim Tressel is.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I hate carnies
and I hate OSU.
I should have seen the connection. What an idiot I am
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on May 30, 2011 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah I figured that just lumped in with the assistant in the 80s thing
the potential that 22 other players were allegedly guilty of something that got the punished players a 5 game ban is certainly big, but the article as a whole didn’t have the ZOMG TRESS! everyone seemed to be expecting.
Plus there seemed to be an abundance of unnecessary filler in there (although I suppose it is meant for print and not just online, so that changes the perspective a bit).
Spare me your space-age techno-babble, Attila the Hun.
by KilometersDavis on May 30, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
He arranged a "job"
for a Youngstown player. The biggest allegation is that he was purposely ignorant of what was going on.
These allegations will extend the investigation by quite a bit, but if they are half true, and fOSU doesn’t get hit with “lack of institutional control”, then the phrase has no meaning. If players keep needing new pieces of their uniforms, and can’t turn in the old pieces, you have to wonder what the heck is happening to them. Right?
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
You assume the NCAA is either competent, diligent, or consistent.
I believe that to be a grossly incorrect assumption.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh there's a rec
Remember the Rose Bowl: The Story of the Alabama Crimson Tide & the Grandaddy of Them All
The main thing you're missing
Is that the report names more current Buckeye players may be implicated in the tattoo ring. About 7 more or so, but I’m too lazy to count them.
by Corncob Justice on May 30, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Reply Fail
How do these internets work?
by Corncob Justice on May 30, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
And yes, you are correct that that is the big news here.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
definitely a letdown
was hoping for a point shaving scandal or something of that ilk
To me it's mostly a letdown because I still can't find much moral fault with any of it.
Not for the players, who work their ass off and can do any kind of bartering, selling, or trading on alumni status once they graduate. In fact, that’s their best bargaining chip for a career post-school, which is supposed to be the entire reason for going to college.
Not for Tressel either (for me). The allegation of the rigged raffle is slimy but helping out disadvantaged kids by giving them opportunities for money or a chance to meet high-powered people who can help them out both now and later in their careers? Helping out players who got into trouble with the law? Letting minor transgressions go by in favor of teaching big lessons? Sounds like a great dad. I would have loved that kind of professor or friend when I was in school. There’s not much morally wrong there in my opinion, just what’s “wrong” by the insanely stupid standards of the insanely stupid NCAA.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
The way to challenge a system you disagree with is not by ignoring the rules or turning a blind eye to them...
and then pleading ignorance and/or baldly lying when questioned about said infractions.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
You know, from every piece of Christian literature I’ve ever read, my impression has always been that the greatest sin of all is to know the rules, break them anyway, and lie about it (Note: by lying, Tressel broke the NCAA’s rules and the rules of the religion he supposedly follows). My problem with this guy is that he seems to skim through everything rather than read everything he claims to read. Or maybe his reading comprehension is just really awful.
"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."
by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't give one damn what Christian literature says
I care what you think, but really I don’t give a shit about Christian literature.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, you're saying Tressel isn't following his Christian literature
I’m an idiot.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Everyone does.
"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."
by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I do not understand this comment.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I completely disagree with this thought process
One of the best ways to take down an unjust or corrupt system or law is willful defiance of the rules that you find morally incorrect. Just because it’s illegal doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
Do I need to remind you that you are a moderator and prominent voice of a website that clearly endorses lighter punishment on drug infractions (ARob, DJK), alcohol infractions (tailgating enforcement of existing laws), and repeal of laws or establishments that disfavor gays?
As to the lying about it, weren’t you one of the people saying that DJK fucked up when clearly the thing to do when police raid your home is to not say anything and deny all wrongdoing? Just because somebody is not able or willing to stand up in the face of an unjust law, it does not make them hiding that fact in the face of punishment any wrongdoing.
Seriously, govern yourself and judge others by a moral code, not by the letter of the law.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The letter of the laws in this country are, with a number of regrettable exceptions we shouldn’t detail here, based entirely on Western moral codes.
"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."
by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is why when they're unjust willful defiance of them is imortant.
We define our shared morality, and we should continue to change things we find unjust.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
It’s too bad, then, for Tressel that none of the rules he broke were truly unjust. Unless not being allowed to lie to authorities is part of his unique religion.
"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."
by ReadingRambler on May 31, 2011 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry but this makes very little sense to me.
First, your examples constitute a pretty drastic false equivalency. Stating in a blog post that certain norms are unjust is a far cry from actively violating those norms as the face of one of the nations largest public universities, especially when dozens of people have a direct stake (and millions have at least an indirect stake) in any consequences that stem from such actions.
Second, as far as I know, none of the BHGP guys have ever advocated that Ferentz break NCAA rules because of personal moral objections. “Adam Robinson shouldn’t have been kicked off the team” is not anywhere close to “Ferentz should have punished Adam Robinson less than the NCAA mandates because the NCAA rule is dumb”.
Finally, I don’t think anyone will accept that Tressel broke NCAA rules as an act of civil disobedience. I know you haven’t directly stated that, but my point is that I don’t think the whole “unjust system” thing carries much weight.
Some of the NCAA rules may be unfair, but if that was his view Tressel could have made much more headway against those rules by raising a fuss publicly (The Big Ten is already thinking about increasing the value of scholarships to ease some of the unfairness). Instead he knowingly broke the rules, then lied about it.
I don’t believe for a second that Tressel’s actions were an extension of some higher moral code. The practical implications of some NCAA rules may be unjust, but that doesn’t create a causal connection to Tressel’s violations; at least not without some form of evidence to that effect.
Spare me your space-age techno-babble, Attila the Hun.
by KilometersDavis on May 30, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying Tressel is an exemplar or a martyr
but I am saying that I find no moral fault with his actions, and that it’s hard to condemn his character or status as man who cared and changed the lives of many in a positive way because he was stupid enough to break the NCAA’s rules in such a flagrant way. Rules that I find insanely stupid, but those are indeed some of the things he signed up for.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
This argument, quite frankly, is patently absurd
You are absolutely correct that civil disobedience and open defiance of unjust laws, or those laws perceived to be unjust, has a long and prominent role in American history and is something to be celebrated, or at least acknowledged. But that isn’t the case here, at all. The key to civil disobedience is to be prosecuted in a public manner by the law in question, to focus the public’s gaze on injustice. To stand up and scream at the top of your lungs “THIS IS GOING ON AND IT IS WRONG!!” it requires the personal sacrifice to demonstrate how unjust the system is.
In other words it is the exact opposite of discovering wrongdoing and then doing everything in your power to cover it up and hide it from the light of day.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on May 30, 2011 10:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
big rec
for the hammer annihilating the nail with that one
Remember the Rose Bowl: The Story of the Alabama Crimson Tide & the Grandaddy of Them All
We're going on quite a tangent here
Again to reiterate: Tressel is not a saint and he clearly broke some rules and lied to cover it up, I just don’t see a ton of moral wrong in his actions. Except the raffle thing. That one’s ridiculous.
As to your point here, I think it would be great if more people had the moral fortitude and brass balls of guys like MLK or Milk, but that’s never going to happen. Those guys are one in a million. While less important and harder to identify, the people who live the struggle without calling attention to it are also doing their own form of civil disobedience. You have a narrow view of the concept IMO.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 31, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Is blatant hypocrisy not a moral wrong?
Because Tressel talked a great game about things like honor and responsibility, yet he clearly decided that those things ceased to be important when they might cost his team a few wins.
by DrHenryKillinger on May 31, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I really don't understand your definition of morality
I’m serious here, not trying to pick a fight. Do I think Tressel is a morally reprehensible man for what he did? Not in the slightest. But I don’t think for a second that he acted in any way that was virtuous or upstanding. He broke a rule (or rules), then did everything he could to conceal that fact from the relevant authorities. Like so often, it wasn’t the crime, it was the cover-up.
Which is why your civil disobedience analogy is so misplaced. Whether it be done by the famous (MLK, Thoreau) or the unknown (the thousands of Vietnam protestors who went to jail to protest the draft – to name one example), there’s is an action that isn’t the same ballpark or even the same sport, it’s barely the same species. I don’t have a narrow concept of civil disobedience or protest, you seem to have one that is overly broad that includes everyone who’s ever been caught doing wrong. I’m sorry, I don’t think Tressel declined to inform the compliance office/his superiors because he thought the NCAA rule is wrong, but because he wanted to fucking win football games and doing so would make that objective harder to achieve.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Wait a tick...
Do I think Tressel is a morally reprehensible man for what he did? Not in the slightest.
Lying is not morally reprehensible? Can we agree, no matter how you slice it; the man lied?
Is that really not morally reprehensible? Forget the rules, lying is wrong. In your own speak (because I can’t remember the Latin phrase) This isn’t wrong because of prohibition, this is wrong because lying to someone is morally wrong.
But in the end I’ll agree that the idea that this is somehow a protest against the rules is fucked up. Rules might be wrong but this is not the way to change things.
Lying is morally wrong
in most cases, I just think it falls short of “reprehensible”. I apologize, I was a bit unclear. I do not think Tressel is morally spotless in this instance, just that any discussion of morality is completely out-of-place here because that isn’t what is at issue. I don’t think this case is proof of Tressel’s inherent “goodness” or “badness”, just that he was willing to bend/ignore the rules to try and win. Certainly not a good reflection on the man, but something well short of condemning him to hell.
That said, for the crime of covering up the problem, he should have been and thankfuly was finally pushed out.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I'm not as gifted a writer as others
So I’ll just reiterate what I said before:
The allegation of the rigged raffle is slimy but helping out disadvantaged kids by giving them opportunities for money or a chance to meet high-powered people who can help them out both now and later in their careers? Helping out players who got into trouble with the law? Letting minor transgressions go by in favor of teaching big lessons? Sounds like a great dad. I would have loved that kind of professor or friend when I was in school. There’s not much morally wrong there in my opinion, just what’s "wrong" by the insanely stupid standards of the insanely stupid NCAA.
To me these are not morally wrong, it’s helping out guys you’re supposed to help out as their ‘father figure’. And I don’t care if they get advantaged treatment over the general populace in minor things like this, they earned it by being excellent in a field we value.
Tressel fucked up pretty badly in how he went about it, especially with the lying and the cover-up. I honestly think that’s just him continuing to protect his players rather than only himself (for some reason I still believe that, maybe it’s falling on the sword in this whole thing that makes me think he’s less selfish than others portray or want to believe)
I clearly see some moral wrong in lying to the investigators but that part to me has less weight because the NCAA is so brutal and idiotic in their treatment of even minor violations that I think most people would have the same reaction as we’re always told to have if we’re a criminal suspect: Deny, shut up, and lawyer up.
Maybe I do have a broader view of what I consider to be civil disobedience than most. I think it even includes traffic violations I consider stupid.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 31, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Under your rubric
any crime becomes an act of civil disobedience, so long as you, or the perpetrator, deems it to be “idiotic”. Which is a ludicrous standard. I think the drinking laws in this country are idiotic, and thought the same at age 18; but I wasn’t drinking then to protest the unjustness of the laws, I was doing it to have a good time. And part of that was doing everything to avoid detection. And therein lies the key distinction between civil disobedience/protest and run-of-the-mill law breaking: to be the former, you have to want to be caught and prosecuted. Your standard would make every two-bit criminal a modern-day Thoreau. And I don’t think that’s the case.
As for the moral worth of Tressel, I really couldn’t give two shits if he is “slimy” or he’s an angel. That’s not the point. The NCAA rules may be byzantine at times, and may even be “idiotic”, but that doesn’t give one carte blanche to ignore them whenever they prove inconvenient. And Tressel did more than that, he actively worked to lie and impede the enforcement of the rules he voluntarily agreed to uphold and adhere to. Again, it’s not the crime the players committed, it’s the cover-up that Tressel orchestrated. And I have a really hard time, given what’s come to light, believing that Tressel’s primary motivation was anything other than maximizing his chances of winning. He may have been partly motivated by a desire to protect his players for their own good, but that came WAY down the list of motivations, after all the ones that were selfish to Tressel himself.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
You make an excellent point in the first paragraph. I concede that one.
Sometimes I get too Raskolnikov-y. It’s a flaw of mine.
I still think Tressel did work to help and protect his players that may have been against the letter of the law but that I have no moral problem with. I understand most people see that one differently, but I just don’t. I’ve been underprivileged. Liferafts are lifesavers, even if they might not always be perfectly clean.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 31, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I still don't understand your fixation on the relative "morality" of Tressel
I’m not saying the man should be condemned to hell for what he’s done. Just that he has forefitted the right to be the coach of an NCAA football team.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Oh, I'll agree on that.
He did not much wrong as a leader of young men, but he did a hell of a lot wrong as an NCAA coach
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 31, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
He taught those young men, through his actions, that if you have enough clout/money you are above "rules" and can get away with almost anything (as he has for years).
I’d say he’s morally reprehensible and should not even be considered a mentor, let alone a “good coach.”
by Eyeheartfreedumb on May 31, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Keep that wool tight over your eyes, it's gettin ugly out here in the real world (I don't mean that in a mean way)
Seriously, the head of one of the top five football universities in the country (the top of their conference) could have walked into Delaney’s office and asked for the stipend thingy that Delaney is considering (to stay ahead of this whole situation- – NOT because he wanted to address it).
Instead, he waited until he heard about something (that apparently everyone KNOWS is going on, so it isn’t like it was a revelation) and then made it worse by being stupid and trying to cover tracks.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on May 31, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Things always work out so well when everyone is supposed to police themselves.
In fact, aren’t university athletic departments supposed to be the first line of defense of the rules, by self-policing.
Catnuts, you are letting the California ethos influence you too much.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
OH NOES "HYPOCRISY" EXPOSED.
One of the best ways to take down an unjust or corrupt system or law is willful defiance of the rules that you find morally incorrect. Just because it’s illegal doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
My God, Jim Tressel is just a stone’s throw away from being George Washington or Gandhi. I don’t know how I didn’t see it. Jim Tressel was the head football coach at the most powerful institution in one of the two most powerful college football conferences in the nation; he would have been far better served to try and use that clout to enact change to the system than just disregarding the rules and pleading ignorance or lying about them.
Do I need to remind you that you are a moderator and prominent voice of a website that clearly endorses lighter punishment on drug infractions (ARob, DJK), alcohol infractions (tailgating enforcement of existing laws), and repeal of laws or establishments that disfavor gays?
As to the lying about it, weren’t you one of the people saying that DJK fucked up when clearly the thing to do when police raid your home is to not say anything and deny all wrongdoing? Just because somebody is not able or willing to stand up in the face of an unjust law, it does not make them hiding that fact in the face of punishment any wrongdoing.
This is a pretty absurd argument, as others have already noted.
Seriously, govern yourself and judge others by a moral code, not by the letter of the law.
You don’t say? No shit.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
OH NOES ROSS IS CONDESCENDINGLY DISMISSIVE OF A PERSON THAT DISAGREES WITH HIM
I realize I have pretty thick skin, as do others on this site that will at times voice unpopular opinions (Chazz, KCP, tyger), but this is just bullydom of the highest order. You’re not engaging in conversation here, you’re using a bully pulpit on somebody you disagree with in a condescending manner. Which not only discourages others from saying things that may be unpopular and furthering the fine discourse this community generally forments, but also just makes you look childish for strong-handing anybody who has the audacity to disagree with the preternaturally correct and awesome RossWB.
Your post immediately after this one has points and merits consideration, but this one is just you being a bully. Awesome work.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 31, 2011 3:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Seriously?
I made a hyperbolic statement in the headline after you’d spent two paragraphs accusing me of being an out-and-out hypocrite, then made an off-hand comment about a statement of yours (“One of the best ways to take down an unjust or corrupt system or law is willful defiance of the rules that you find morally incorrect.”) that I find to be a gross mischaracterization of the current situation. I then made a non-hyperbolic point about a different appraoch Tressel could have taken if he wanted to attack the system, which you ignored.
And this?
Seriously, govern yourself and judge others by a moral code, not by the letter of the law.
Give me a break.
Which not only discourages others from saying things that may be unpopular and furthering the fine discourse this community generally forments,
Based on the comments I’ve seen over the past few months, I find this highly unlikely. There are many outspoken people, many of whom I often agree with and many of whom I often don’t. That’s fine. You’re all welcome to speak your mind. There have been many spirited arguments here and those people continue to post here, despite encountering opposition to their viewpoints.
but also just makes you look childish for strong-handing anybody who has the audacity to disagree with the preternaturally correct and awesome RossWB.
I have never once claimed to be “preternaturally correct and awesome.” I frequently disagree with people who post here, including fellow mods.
I enjoy the double standard of certain posters being able to express exasperation at certain arguments, but not others, though.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Being a mod...
I enjoy the double standard of certain posters being able to express exasperation at certain arguments, but not others, though.
You being a moderator, right or wrong, gives your words more weight. I don’t want to weigh in on this subject because we’ve had our own tiff and it doesn’t need to be replayed. However, with your words being more heavily weighted any disagreement you may have with someone comes off as heavy handed; again right or wrong. Perception is reality…
One other thing. I don’t post nearly as often as I used to: And I try to avoid conflict at (pretty much) all costs.
Meh.
I don’t really believe that Ross, Patrick, Adam, or any of the others (save, maybe, a drunk AND angry Jebus) try to throw their weight around. If anyone places additional weight on their comments, that’s on them. The beauty of BHGP, IMO, is that we’re all on equal footing here. If I say something that genuinely offends the moderators they’ll let me know that I crossed the line and, probably, remove the comment. If I simply say something with which they disagree, then we’ll have a discussion about it.
by The Mexican't on May 31, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
A discussion is fine
it’s the talking down to that matters. Whether it’s intentional or not it often appears that way (at least to some). Doesn’t matter though. I wouldn’t trade BHGP for anything.
Thank you.
You’ve covered some of the important points and made me feel like I’m not completely on an island here.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 31, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry you feel that way.
Please don’t feel like you can’t comment because of me.
I am frustrated with certain elements of the comment experience here, but this is probably neither the time nor the place for that discussion.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Whatever man.
Certain commenters have a thin skin when they choose it. Most of them are good people most of the time, but a bit trigger happy when it comes to being butt hurt. It’s the internet guys.
Carry on.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on May 31, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, at this point I do not care.
If someone doesn’t want to post because they’re afraid of getting yelled at by anonymous voices on the internet — whatever.
I can either spend my time engaging in debates here or producing new content for this site. I know which one I’d rather do.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
It's secret option C, isn't it
MSPaint magic!
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on May 31, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Love the new avatar
Simply beautiful
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by ClaybornSmash on Jun 1, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Trollface Editor-in-Chimp
great avatar or greatest avatar?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yes
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by BStylin Hawkye on Jun 1, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
no shit
Honestly, at this point I do not care.
Really… Surprising… almost shocking… Try actually having a conversation instead of talking down to someone and you might be taken seriously. I’m not the only one that thinks you’re a bully.
Try actually having a conversation instead of talking down to someone
I would say 98% of my posts here fit this bill.
I’m not the only one that thinks you’re a bully.
And frankly I’m not going to lose any sleep over that. I’m not going to waste my time trying to be all things to all people or make everyone happy.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I understand it's not fun to be called out
but:
1) You’re being a bully. And have been before. It’s not just you, but in this case it was. Tons of comments after my statements, only yours were mean-spirited and with such condescension. That’s why I brought it up. This is one reason guys like Grixxly feel they can’t say controversial things they might believe, and the number of people that do seems to be whittled down to a thick-skinned few.
2) As both the primary post author and primary comment moderator at this point, you have a greater responsibility. I know, management sucks. Can’t fraternize the same way you used to.
3) I’m not going to go after any points I find wrong in this latest comment you have, I’d rather this thing die. It’s not fun for either side
I don’t expect an apology or anything like that, but reflection on your part would be nice instead of knee-jerk dismissal.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 31, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah, B-school.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 31, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, I really think the moral code argument is a completely separate issue.
On a moral level, I really don’t give a shit if the players traded memorbilia for tats or cars or weed. Tressel helping them out (either directly or by virtue of willful ignorance) might make him a nice guy and a good “father figure” (although on a side note, you know what’s also useful behavior from a “father figure”? Making “sons” learn about responsibility for one’s actions; if, for example, I have to pay a $150 fine to take care of some parking violations I’m more likely to learn a lesson about not doing it than if my “father figure” has my write a bullshit paper about being a scholar-athlete while he uses his pull to get them wiped away.), but it also makes him a shitty employee.
If I’m a supervisor and I know what the rules are (or I’m expected to know what the rules are) and I either help my employees violate those rules or willfully ignore their violations of those rules and then I lie about that to both my bosses and the outside agency that oversees us… I will get fired. It will not matter one whit if I am morally opposed to those rules.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
And this answers my question below.
I mistook you for someone else Catnuts. Sorry, carry on.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on May 31, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
"The way to challenge a system you disagree with is not by ignoring the rules or turning a blind eye to them"
Catnuts, weren’t you one of the people saying you had no sympathy for DJK, because he knew the rules and decided to break them?
(not an accusation… just curious)
by Eyeheartfreedumb on May 31, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
What in the bloody hell is not morally wrong with lying constantly and breaking the established rules for more than twenty years?
He rigged a lottery. I mean, come on, this is not anything but a disgraceful individual. The reading the Bible portion of his tale is also impressive. Say whatever you will about religion, but the New Testament isn’t saying, “Hey, dude, everybody does.”
"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."
by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
No, but it certainly preaches forgiveness and understanding of others' moral quandaries
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Actions speak louder than words
And the Bible isn’t a metaphysical get-out-of-jail free card that allows someone to openly and continuously flaunt the rules. It would be one thing if Tressel had said, early on, “I fucked up. I was trying to protect my players from potential harm. While my intentions were good, I failed to live up to the standards set forth and hope to do better in the future.” What he did instead was at every step of the way to lie and tell only the barest minimum he thought necessary to make it go away.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on May 30, 2011 10:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Dissappointed Too
Too many secret sources and hearsay to make me excited. The stuff the players supposedly did seemed pretty mild.
I was hoping for some academic fraud (a la Clem Haskins) or a secret society eating babies. Was I expecting too much?
At least when I get cheated on a raffle or drawing I can say I got “Tresselled”.
It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.
by FiveSecondRuleChef on May 30, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you on the players
At least those trading autographs/memorabilia for tattoos. At the end of the day, what’s the big deal? I mean, once they get that ink, there is nothing they can do with it, it is the ultimate in non-transferable/fungible benefit. Not like instances of trading memorabilia for cars, as seems to also be the case. Cars that one can immediately turn around and sell for cash. In other words, get in through the back door that which is explicitly forbidden, and got SMU in so much trouble, from going in the front door. Ink, not a big deal; cars, much more so.
And while this article was a lot of sizzle and little steak, it further paints a picture of a coach that should have, and probably did, know what’s going on. Nothing here is appreciably worse than what’s come out before, but Tressel still needed to be out because of his basic failure to report it when he found it, and indeed may have acted to bury it.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on May 30, 2011 9:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think the infractions themselves are the story.
So much as the sheer quantity of them paint a picture of a coach, compliance department, and administration that has been turning a blind eye to these things for quite a while — and/or outright lying to the NCAA about knowledge of the infractions.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
No, the infractions are absolutely not the story.
The facts are pretty clear: Tressel broke the rules because he was lazy (Didn’t have the ability and/or desire to stop cheating himself and to make OSU clean) and because he wanted to win. That’s it.
Also, there are a few details about brutus shadyness before Tressel, but that’s as surprising as finding out grass grows.
"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."
by ReadingRambler on May 31, 2011 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Not lazy
and he had the ability to maybe not stop, but a least slow down what was going on. He just didn’t care and figured they wouldn’t get caugt. Big difference. And had the tattoo parlor not been raided and some DEA agents not wondered why there was so much Buckeye gear around, nobody would know.
The funniest thing in all of this is if they had handled this internally with education, some two game suspensions, a minor crack down on keeping track of equipment and self-reported it, it would have all blown over. They may have been knocked a few scholarships but with their depth that’s pretty survivable.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Ah, but the story is still breaking (I don't think this is over)
He could have taken care of it internally, but then he would have had to tell the players to stop.
And who knows how many players came there, maybe not specifically for the pay, but because they could get it better there than, say, Michigan (cough TP cough)? If he has to tell them to stop, then does he still get the same players to come to OSU?
by Eyeheartfreedumb on May 31, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone else think that for those who were there, it's not going to be that hard to figure out who "Ellis" is?
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on May 30, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking that myself
really, if this guys was around all the time, the owner should have a decent idea of who ratted on him.
Now you ain't gonna come up here and steal Pepper Jack's best ho.
I really need to spell check before I post.
Now you ain't gonna come up here and steal Pepper Jack's best ho.
I like the part about riggin the camp raffle,
and the comment about Tressel reading the Bible in the morning and cheating the less athletic kids out of their lawn-mowing money in the afternoon.
Love it!
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow. Bottom of Page 2... this is really skanky behavior he should have his nuts removed for...
Rigging a football camp raffle so that the elite recruits won? As a father of two young children, that’s just fucking wrong on so many levels. This is the sort of shit that almost makes me rather watch a bunch of 7 year olds play a meaningless soccer game than watch any college or pro sports ever again. I realize this isn’t widespread, but its widespread enough that we should shit a brick when this happens…
Really, really low. The NCAA should fucking vacate a lot of tOSU victories when the dust finally settles.
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
by The Bird Cult on May 30, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hear Bulaga traded in HARD WORK and EXCELLENCE for that.
/high-horse’d
"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."
by SomeJerkPoster on May 30, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
And he can trade it for hard cash or a sleeve if he wants now that he's graduated
BUT NOT BEFORE!!!!
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on May 30, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
A short sleeve.
Because, you know, short arms.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Technically it happened when he could have been ineligible
Right?
Now you ain't gonna come up here and steal Pepper Jack's best ho.
Ray Finkle for coach!!
Finkle is Einhorn anyway…
and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!
by HawkPocket on May 30, 2011 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't get it.
But fuck yeah, this is awesome.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
*Ace Ventura
don’t tell me you’re too young for this (then I’ll feel old) :(
and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!
I'm plenty old for Ace Ventura.
And a big fan.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
I actually posted this before
I knew the new guys name is Fickell!! That’s funny :p
and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!
I am far from a defender of Jim Tressel
but this story clearly started and ended with one goal in mind, the dismissal/resignation of Jim Tressel.
Last Friday, SI informed Ohio State spokesman Jim Lynch of the new allegations and asked that Tressel be made aware of them.
In my opinion, that’s in poor taste. This article leaves a worse taste in my mouth of Sports Illustrated than Jim Tressel.
None of this is to say that Tressel is innocent or that he shouldn’t be called out or that he shouldn’t have resigned, but this article is far from what I would have expected from a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. Or course, I have no idea what he won the Pulitzer Prize for and I don’t pay all that much attention, maybe creating news is more important than reporting it as far as that particular award goes.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
The phrasing is a little weird
But I don’t see what’s wrong with this course of action. This seems like Journalism 101: you compile a story, get your ducks in a row, then you go to the target of the investigation, inform him of what you’ve found out and offer them the chance to reply or contest the allegations. Seems straight forward and standard to me.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on May 30, 2011 10:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Much like what the policed do in an investigation.
“Well, soandso said this. WOuld you like to explain or give your side of the story?”
Although in journalism it can also lead to the subject of the story giving you more to write about.
However, for the most part, SI is sports marketing. The only thing that would sell more copies (no, not literally) than JTressel/OSU on the cover is JTressel/OSU mired in a scandal on the cover.
It’s economics.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on May 31, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
You know, I know we are not probably 100% clean either - but
After reading the SI article, I would not trade ANYTHING to be like Ohio State. EVER. It is just fucking unbelievable they’d put up with someone that two faced and skanky for so long.
And if they “stay in the family” the skankiness is only going to be worse. Unfortunate proof that the whole atmosphere surrounding t-fuckingOSU football is poisonous.
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
I think this is what happens when you get successful.
Alabama, LSU, OSU, USC, Florida, FSU, Nebraska, Auburn. All have had some great success. All have had some pretty hazy shit go on.
Really, it is stories like this that make me admire PSU all the more. They don’t seem to have sacrificed their integrity to get back to the heights of the landscape.
I could probably say the same about Michigan, except they seem a lot more arrogant, and they screwed an allegedly quality coach (Carr) out of his job in order to hire some fruitloop.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Florida and Nebraska confuse me on this list
can someone fill me in on those two? i thought they were relatively clean.
by justsomehawkeyefan on May 31, 2011 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Florida and Nebraska...
have had some guys who have made really bad choices while they were playing. Lawrence Phillips for UNL, and plenty of guys (including Cam Newton and Percy Harvin). While I haven’t seen recruiting violations from these schools, I wonder a lot about it in light of the recruiting hauls they sometimes get.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 31, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, based on the SI article, if the NCAA really wanted to prove they were serious about this stuff
The minimum would be for tOSU to get the USC style penalties…. the absolute minimum. If the NCAA really wanted to get serious, tOSU would get the death penalty, because there’s no logical argument that says this behavior went on unnoticed for the better part of a decade by higher level administrators… and how does Tressel quitting somehow “make it better” for tOSU, because the reason SMU got slobberknocked was it the entire CULTURE surrounding the football program – not just the coaches and players…
"Mom, just get me a Pepsi! Please, all I want is a Pepsi!" And she wouldn't give it to me! All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me! Just a Pepsi!
i see them getting the USC treatment
but i dont see them getting much more than that unless they get caught doing it again in 5 years
by justsomehawkeyefan on May 31, 2011 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Tressel quitting makes it better because
C’MON, HE DIDN’T EVEN WEAR A BUCKEYE! HE’S NOT LINKED TO THE UNIVERSITY IN ANY WAY! LOOK, NO BUCKEYE! HE BARELY EVEN WEARS RED ANYMORE! HE LEFT THE STATE OF OHIO THIS MORNING AND ISN’T ALLOWED TO DO THE O.H.I.O. HAND THING ANYWHERE! JAMES TRESSEL HAS NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY, AND NEVER HAS!!! NO BUCKEYE!
by Eyeheartfreedumb on May 31, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The NCAA is about...
to get to ready to bring the hammer down on OSU here pretty damn hard, and it aint gonna be pretty.
They’re already investigating Pryor for taking cars and other benefits—and if those allegations turn out to be true…the NCAA will have no choice but to vacate every OSU victory that Terrelle Pryor was involved in since 2008.
OSU will also be looking at a considerable post season ban, be forced to pay back whatever bowl $$ they were paid, and get reduced in number of scholarship for 3-4 years, and the Big 10 will likely take away their 2008, 2009, and 2010 titles.
OSU is gonna take it hard in the shorts and it aint gonna be pretty.
We’re merely seeing the tip of the iceberg here folks in the shitstorm that’s coming for OSU.
by FlyingDutchman1 on May 31, 2011 9:48 AM CDT reply actions
That actually sounds very pretty to me.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on May 31, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't you mean...
“evil killer high fructose corn syrup.”
/yeah, it isn’t very good for you, but I think it is getting over-demonized right now.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on May 31, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
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