12-9=7: The Crazy Math Of The Big Ten's Nine Game Conference Schedule
One of the biggest pieces of news to come out of the Big Ten football meetings this week in Chicago is the continuing discussion of a nine-game conference football season. This is not a particularly new talking point; it's been batted around for years (and, indeed, back in 1983 and 1984, Big Ten teams actually did play nine conference games). It's gained steam in recent years as fans, journalists, and administrators have griped about cupcake games (and particularly their ever-increasing price tags). And it really gained steam when the Big Ten added Nebraska and expanded to 12 teams. Nine conference games was difficult to do with 11 teams (the math didn't really work), but with 12 teams it's much cleaner. On the other hand, it also raises new problems (and possibly exacerbates old ones). Let's break it down.
THE GOOD
It could create a more balanced Big Ten schedule -- and revive some rivalries. Friend of the Pants Scott Dochterman has been banging the drum for a nine-game conference schedule for quite a while now and he's even gone to the trouble of working out a sensible scheduling cycle for every Big Ten team, beginning with Iowa:
IOWA
- Divisional opponents: Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern
- Permanent cross-divisional opponent: Purdue (2)
- Second permanent cross-divisional opponent: Wisconsin (1)
- First cycle: Ohio State (1), Illinois (2)
- Second cycle: Penn State (1), Indiana (2)
The most obvious advantage of expanding to nine games is the ability to protect additional rivalries. There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth when the Big Ten announced the divisions and split up Iowa and Wisconsin, the most competitively balanced rivalry in the Big Ten (42-42-2), as well as the source of arguably the Big Ten's best game in 2011. As Dochterman so elegantly explains, Wisconsin can return to Iowa's schedule as an annual opponent under a nine-game conference schedule. Dochterman's proposed scheduling plan also enables the revival of the Battle For The Ugliest Trophy In The Land, although admittedly the other permanent Big Ten rivalries it creates aren't any great shakes (Michigan-Illinois, Minnesota-Purdue, Nebraska-Indiana, Ohio State-Northwestern).
His plan also creates a bit more competitive balance in the schedule. For instance, this year Iowa and Nebraska play five common opponents in the Big Ten (Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, and Penn State). But their two non-common opponents? Iowa gets Indiana and Purdue, while Nebraska gets Ohio State and Wisconsin; it's not hard to tell who got the better end of that deal. Says Dochterman:
All the league has to do is apply the same tenet it used to form its divisions: competitive balance. In permanent non-divisional play, each program should play one traditional upper division and one traditional lower division opponent. On a rotational basis, the league should couple opponents by upper and lower division status.
That's not a fool-proof plan since teams can and do rise up from lower division status -- Wisconsin was a lower-division team in the '80s, as was just Northwestern in the time before history began (1995) -- but it works well in broad strokes and history is what it is. It doesn't change easily. If Indiana emerges as a Big Ten superpower in the next twenty years, the Big Ten can reassess things then (and we can read about their new decision from the newsfeed beamed directly into our brainmeats while we ride our dragons to work).
It could eliminate the much-reviled bodybag games. This isn't some that Doc has harped on too much, but it has been a talking point for other proponents of the nine-game conference schedule. The idea is that the new ninth Big Ten game would take the place of one of the (at least) two cupcake games that virtually every Big Ten team plays each year. The cupcake games have never been popular -- even the most ardent homer would probably admit that watching a glorified scrimmage (and let's not forget: that's what the staggering majority of these games are; for every Appy State over Michigan or James Madison over Virginia Tech, there are dozens of ugly 42-7 beatdowns) isn't really that appealing -- and they've only grown less appealing as the price tags for the games has climbed. Iowa paid $400000 to Eastern Illinois last year and the prices for low-level FBS teams has grown even steeper in recent years.
Despite the escalating price tags, the games continue to get scheduled because having another home game -- even one against a lowly opponent like Eastern Illinois or Tennessee Tech -- enables the athletic department to rake in loads of cash; the idea here is that they could make even more if they didn't have to cut a big check to a minnow school. We'll see if that's necessarily true down below.
It's all about TV, stupid. Once again, Doc provides a very salient point:
The earliest the plan would be adopted is for the 2017 season because some schools have four non-conference games scheduled in future seasons, Delany admitted.The Big Ten’s television contract with ABC/ESPN expires after the 2016 season, so a nine-game schedule adopted for 2017 would coincide with a new TV deal.
A nine-game conference schedule means six more conference games than the current system provides for and given the dreck most Big Ten teams schedule for non-conference fare, those new intra-conference clashes are bound to be more appealing to the Big Ten's television partner(s). Based on the recent deals signed by the Big XII and Pac-12, the Big Ten already might be in line to receive a healthy bump in their television revenues in a few years; adding more desirable intra-conference games to the mix just sweetens the pot and drives the price higher.
THE BAD
It might not make as much financial sense as it first seemed. As we're well aware, the Big Ten are a delightful bunch of Commie bastards when it comes to distributing the vast sums of money the conference rakes in on an annual basis. Naturally, that includes gameday attendance and that creates some interesting imbalances in a league where a handful of teams have stadiums that seat over 100K (and routinely sell them out) and a separate handful of teams have stadiums that seat 50K (and that are rarely sold out). Why don't we let Doc break down the numbers:
Big Ten schools share 35 percent of all football gate revenue from league games with a $1 million per-game ceiling and a $300,000 per-game floor. Penn State, Michigan and Ohio State, all of which have stadiums exceeding 100,000 seats and most filled to capacity, always pay the $1 million per-game ceiling. Over four home Big Ten games, that’s an annual contribution of $4 million.
Following the 2009 football season, each Big Ten school received $2.95 million in gate revenue-sharing. Six Big Ten football programs lost significant revenue because of revenue sharing: Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State (each lost $1.05 million), Iowa ($765,000), Wisconsin ($657,341) and Michigan State ($656,075). Schools who gained from gate revenue-sharing that year include: Northwestern ($1.71 million), Indiana (nearly $1.3 million), Minnesota ($896,704), Purdue ($785,650) and Illinois ($539,539).
If you're Indiana or (holy welfare state, Batman) just Northwestern, adding a ninth conference game is great news -- that's even more home game money from the big boys that you get to take a cut from. If you're one of the big boys, it's less exciting news, since it means another $1M out of your pocket. On the other hand, given the skyrocketing prices attached to bodybag games, the numbers here may soon balance out anyway; if the choice is between giving $1M to Bumblefuck Tech or $1M to the conference kitty, you might as well keep it in-house. It's only more profitable for the Ohio States and Michigans of the world to schedule the Youngstown States and Appalachian States of the world if you're paying them less than you would the Big Ten office for another conference home game.
There's another financial factor that hasn't been mentioned as much in regards to the proposed nine-game conference schedule (though it has re: the conference championship game) and that's the Big Ten's established track record of sending two teams to the BCS. Over the last ten years, the Big Ten has only twice failed to send two teams (2001 and 2004). Last year the BCS bowls paid out $17M to the participants, which is a lot of money to leave on the table if you can't get two teams into the mix. If the Big Ten tacks another game onto the conference schedule, there will be more losses for Big Ten teams -- it's a zero sum game, so someone must win and someone must lose. Conversely, if every Big Ten team plays a non-Big Ten team instead during the week of the theoretical ninth Big Ten game, there's a possibility of all twelve Big Ten teams winning their game that week. Tacking another loss onto the ledger for half the Big Ten won't automatically disqualify them from consideration for an at-large BCS bid, since the same main factors that have always benefited the Big Ten (large, passionate fanbases that travel well and hugely popular and recognizable brand name teams) will still be present -- but another loss certainly won't help matters.
It would create a new imbalance in the Big Ten schedule. While a nine-game conference schedule smooths out certain competitive balance issues by guaranteeing each team one inter-divisional game against an "upper division foe" and one inter-divisional game against a "lower division foe," it also creates a new competitive balance. The problem is right there in the number of games played: nine. By definition that means some teams are going to get five home games and some are going to get just four home games. As Michigan State AD Mark Hollis noted:
But Hollis pointed to road games as another potential drawback of nine conference games, especially as the Big Ten begins to crown a true champion with divisional play. If the Big Ten makes a change, half of its teams will play five league road games, while the other half will play just four.
"I have some concerns and reservations about nine games with equity in the championship race, five [road] versus four home games," Hollis said. "[In 2010] you had three teams tied for the [Big Ten] championship and all three of them lost a game on the road."
Personally, I think the benefit of the competitive balance you achieve by installing the Dochterman plan is worth the slight loss in competitive balance you get with an uneven home-road split, but there's no doubting that it would be an issue. Just wait until the first year a team makes the Big Ten Championship Game after playing five home games while another team misses out after playing four home games; there will be some outcry when that happens.
It still wouldn't eliminate the bodybag games. For all the lip service that's been paid to the notion that adding a ninth conference game would eliminate the games against the likes of Bumblefuck Tech that everyone hates -- no one has yet been able to offer up any clear examples of just how they would make the new system work. They want nine conference games AND seven home games (which is a non-negotiable point, according to multiple sources) AND they want to reduce the number of cupcake opponents that (most) teams play from two to one. Unfortunately, it's awful tough to make the math on that work out. Let's use hypothetical 2011 and 2012 schedules for Iowa to illustrate this point.
2011
home (7): Tennessee Tech, Pittsburgh, Wisconsin (replacing UL-Monroe*), Indiana, Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan State
away (5): Iowa State, Penn State, Minnesota, Purdue, Nebraska
* You can replace either UL-Monroe or Tennessee Tech in this scenario; I chose UL-Monroe since playing a Sun Belt team costs more than playing an FCS team.
2012
home (6): Tennessee Tech, Iowa State, Penn State, Minnesota, Purdue, Nebraska
away (6): Pittsburgh, Wisconsin, Indiana, Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan State
Uh-oh -- our precious seventh home game got gobbled up because we have to fulfill a home-and-home with Pitt. There's simply no easy way to juggle two non-conference games against BCS opponents with the uneven home-road split you get under a nine-game conference schedule and preserve the vital seven home games concept. As it is, teams would still need to finesse their schedules to make sure that the non-conference road game is being played in a year in which they have five Big Ten home games.
Is getting to play Wisconsin every year worth doing away with games against the Pitts and Arizonas of the world? (Because let's face it: the Iowa-Iowa State series isn't going anywhere for quite some time.) It might be; from a competitive standpoint, the games are no worse than games against Arizona or Pitt -- and more often they're considerably better since Wisconsin has been a high-level team for most of the past 20 years. There's also the rivalry factor -- a game with Wisconsin is unquestionably going to have more juice than a game with Pitt or Arizona or Syracuse or [insert mid-level BCS team here]. But it's also a little bit less variety to the schedule and less opportunities for Iowa to get out to prime recruiting areas (or alumni hotspots, in the case of the Arizona series).
* * *
So what's it all mean? Well, if you've been reading the tea leaves at all, you would know that it sure as hell sounds like the nine-game conference schedule is a done deal. Straight from the mouth of Bloodpunch:
"The assumption is it will happen at some point," Barta said. "I think when you throw in the fact that we have a championship for the first time we’re trying to figure out how that factors in. Still talking about it.
"The point that I’ve felt that our conference has been at is it’s likely to happen. I feel like that’s still where it is."
Are you going to doubt the word of Bloodpunch? Of course not.
A nine-game conference schedule is something Jim Delany wants, and as we've seen oh-so-often in the past -- EXPANSIONAPALOOZA, Big Ten Network, the Rose Bowl's special status, and countless other things -- he's a man who usually gets what he wants. There are certainly issues to sort out (see above), but if it comes down to money, there's no shortage of creative thinkers in the room to solve that problem. Maybe the solution is as (relatively) simple as setting aside some money from the forthcoming TV deals to give to the teams who get the short end of the stick from the uneven home-road split. So, yeah, a nine-game conference schedule is probably on the horizon -- but it won't be easy to implement and it may not be quite as awesome as it seems on the surface.
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My guess is that the bodybag games would remain
There’s just too much money to be made from those guaranteed home games. What would actually happen is that Iowa would never play a BCS team not named Iowa State outside of the conference ever again, aside from bowls. As much as I want the Wisconsin game back, I’m not too excited about that.
I fear you are correct
Because there’s no way another BCS-level (or even Iowa State) would agree to just playing at Iowa i.e. no home-and-home series. We would eventually have to put somewhat of end to the ISU series (or something like 2 years on, 2 years off—which I think would be the best outcome) in order to schedule any more BCS schools.
Maybe
maybe not. If the price of cupcakes continues to go up, teams start asking themselves “why are we scheduling Bumblefuck Tech? For that kind of money, we should shop around”. So they call up the AD at Kansas and pitch it. “We can’t do a home and home but, BT won’t come here for less that $750k. How about we pay you guys $800k instead”.
Money talks and it could be attractive to some of the lower revenue BCS teams.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Personally, I think
ISU should start giving us a 2-for-1 arrangement where we get two games in Kinnick for every game in Ames. Just to make up for the shady, Enron-style accounting Pollard pulled under the last contract with them.
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I think that was in plain sunlight, not shady
Barta threw little brother some cash in a clear understanding of their roles and financial situations.
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by therealCatnuts on May 18, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think so
Sharing the gate receipts is one thing, that was straight-up trhowing a bone to little brother. It was how ISU calculated the gate receipts that was incredibly shady and dishonest.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah, my little brother owes me over $2,000 at this point that I'm not expecting to ever get back
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by therealCatnuts on May 18, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
If that was Barta's motivation he's a fucking idiot and he should be sacked immediately.
It’s not Iowa’s job to prop up Iowa State.
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by RossWB on May 18, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the entire series is a charity case for ISU
And I don’t think that’s a below-the-table discussion in their meetings between each other or with the state budget committees. Kumbaya, man. One big happy family in the state of Iowa.
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by therealCatnuts on May 18, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Iowa plays the series because there is an incredible pressure for them to do so.
From the state legislators, from the media, from the fans, hell probably on some level from within the athletic department and the team itself. As Hoya pointed out, though, the gate receipt issue is on a different level from that.
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Also, should he be sacked for accepting propping up jNW, Indiana, Minnesota, Illinois, and OMHR?
Because that’s an above-the-table discussion in B10 meetings.
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by therealCatnuts on May 18, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
That’s a conference matter that the entire league has agreed upon. I wouldn’t stay that’s the same thing as an individual relationship with Iowa State.
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You apparently do not hold the same thoughts on business/revenue symbiosis
that I believe are held at the higher levels of the respective ADs and the state legislatures that still hold large sway over money issues for almost all of these schools, including the special relationship Iowa has with Iowa State.
I tend to agree with the need to prop up Iowa State in down times, it seems like you don’t. But neither of those opinions matter. What matters is that I’m pretty sure there are outright discussions and actual actions taken to have some of the strengths of UI’s AD help to strengthen the AD of Iowa State. That includes an inequitable revenue sharing agreement, among other things.
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by therealCatnuts on May 19, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
You're still not quite getting it
Under the old Iowa-ISU contract (which is no longer operable beginning this year), the teams would share a percentage of the gate receipts for the game with the other school. This was mutually-agreed upon and done both ways. The dishonest part was the way Pollard/ISU calculated the gate receipts fo the game. In Iowa’s case, it simply added up all the money for the ISU game, and gave the Clones their agreed-upon percentage of that amount. ISU, on the other hand, would take the gate receipts average of all their home games, then give Iowa their percentage of that amount. This, of course, had the effect of taking dollars out of the equation, because the only time that band-box in Ames had sell-outs is when Iowa came to town. Instead, we had our cut diminished by ISU games against Baylor, Kansas and the like, games for which the crowd-size was more Evanston-esque. That, coupled with the elaborate measures Pollard put in place to get tickets to the game (basically you had to buy season tickets, in the hopes that Iowa fans would still do so), has been typical of the shameless way Pollard has tried to use Iowa to fill his own coffers.
Under the new agreement, which takes effect this year, the revenue sharing stops and each school simply keeps all of the gate receipts for the game.
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No, I got it
That was the genesis of this comment:
Yeah, my little brother owes me over $2,000 at this point that I’m not expecting to ever get back
I don’t think they’re going to pursue it given the realities of the financial situations for both ADs. Shit happened, but it’s your little brother. Move on, don’t make a huge fuss
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by therealCatnuts on May 20, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget
Iowa made money on the B-Ball gate receipt side of the world the last couple of years. That will change soon, I’m sure but it’s worth remembering.
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There has to be more money
to be made on a home game with Wisconsin than with ULM.. revenue sharing and guaranteed money aside Wisco is gonna bring a lot more fans to town.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on May 18, 2011 2:47 PM CDT reply actions
Yes, but...
There’s much, much more money to be made on two games with ULM than a home-and-home series with Wisconsin.
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by Patrick Vint on May 18, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
damn you and your logic
good point.. i should also mention very nice writeup.. this whole thing has confused me, nice to see it laid out in a “9 game schedule for idiots” manner.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on May 18, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The math could possibly get closer than you think.
First, a bone of contention. Ross’s math is incorrect in that the additional home game will cost the big boys $1M per game as opposed to ~$750K for a BTech game. As it is now, they lose ~$1M to the kitty for 4 games, an average of $250K/game which is much less than they pay BTech. If we go to 9 games, the revenue sharing again decreases the load for that specific game to approx $500K (after everyone chips in, only half of the B10 teams get a payout for not having that last home game).
So anyway, somebody like OSU/PSU/Mich is currently looking at:
1) +$500K in revenue difference by playing a B10 revenue sharing team as opposed to BTech (-$250K vs -$750K) – obviously this would be a smaller boon in a 9-game schedule with approx $500K marginal kitty pay-in as opposed to $250K
2) +$500K in concessions, programs, and apparel sales (complete guess, anybody feel free to correct me here) for a B10 game as opposed to a BTech game.
So there’s an additional $500K-$1M in difference less than you might expect. Obviously that’s less than the $5M+ an OSU/PSU/Mich would get in ticket sales vs BTech as opposed to a road game, but it’s a start.
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by therealCatnuts on May 18, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
Big Ten schools share 35 percent of all football gate revenue from league games with a $1 million per-game ceiling and a $300,000 per-game floor. Penn State, Michigan and Ohio State, all of which have stadiums exceeding 100,000 seats and most filled to capacity, always pay the $1 million per-game ceiling. Over four home Big Ten games, that’s an annual contribution of $4 million.
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Hold on, folks
they pay in $1 mil per game, but they get a lot of that back when the pot cuts checks to the members. A little further down from your quote we see that their losses amount to about $250k per game
Following the 2009 football season, each Big Ten school received $2.95 million in gate revenue-sharing. Six Big Ten football programs lost significant revenue because of revenue sharing: Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State (each lost $1.05 million),
4 mil in, 3 mil back, 1 mil lost.
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Alright, fair enough.
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There you go.
And of the $1M they’d pay in for an additonal home game in a 9-game season, they’d get back 50% of that in revenue sharing for a marginal cost of $500K for the additional game.
This maths wasn’t particularly hard, but it’s kind of hidden.
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by therealCatnuts on May 19, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Ross
I was not aware you took math at South Dakota as well. But seriously, interesting. I hope this will bring more marquee non-con match-ups to the Big Twelv-en. And for MIchigan’s sake, eliminate the chance of these:

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by Pain in the Sash on May 18, 2011 2:56 PM CDT reply actions
I was randomly at this game. It was epic.
It also made me never want to set foot in Michigan Stadium ever again. Big? Yes. Quiet? Very (relatively speaking). Uncomfortable? Absolutely the most uncomfortable (physically) 3 1/2 hours I’ve ever been in my life. I had to leave a little early or I was going to pass out or puke everywhere or be permanently stuck in a fetal postition for the rest of my life, or all three.
Given how close we were to losing to UNI
I think we should be very, very careful about throwing stones here.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I'm so sick of that.
We didn’t lose. Yes, it took two semi-miraculous blocked field goals to win, but so what? Teams pull out wins in all kinds of improbable circumstances.
And, regardless, schadenfreude is schadenfreude. Are we not going to keep mocking Minnesota even though they did, you know, beat us last year? Fuck no.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Agreeing with Ross
We also won our next 8 games.
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by Pain in the Sash on May 18, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
But then, we never claimed to be the mighty
David Michigan.
Michigan fans had this coming the same way Notre Dame has every new, future-failure coach coming to them.
And our team took a full 60 minutes to win that game. It was close, and I give a tough, veteran UNI team all the credit in the world (they probably deserved it, but that’s sports/life sometimes). But you have to be winning when the clock hits zero or else it doesn’t count, and they didn’t do that.
[Same with Butler against Duke. And yet Coach K cut down the nets.]
by Eyeheartfreedumb on May 18, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh.
I hope this will bring more marquee non-con match-ups to the Big Twelv-en.
I just don’t see how that’s possible between the financial and competitive (let’s face it: you keep your job by winning six games and getting to a bowl, especially at places like Indiana, Illinois, and Minnesota — how willing are they going to be to get bold with their non-conf scheduling in that environment) reasons against it.
A 9-game conference schedule is coming and that’s fine and dandy, especially if you want to see Wisco and Iowa State every year. If you want to see anyone else, though, I think you’re going to be SOL.
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Oh I didn't mean us.
I’m happy with Iowa beating the shit out of mediocre teams and padding stats. Because that happens all the time. What I meant was, getting to see more games like OSU/Miami etc. I’m fine with Iowa, on the other hand, to have Pitt be the biggest non-con game.
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by Pain in the Sash on May 18, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
With all the new TV money everyone's swimming in,
why can’t schools who get stuck with a 4-game home schedule get an extra piece of the pie? Then perhaps they could survive a complete 6-game home schedule, allowing them to find a worthwhile nonconference opponent once in a while.
Maybe a "game" subsidy.
The B1G pays up $X in years where you don’t have the 5th B1G home game
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on May 18, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
That doesn't help
it evens out the revenue stream from year to year, but each team still ends up with the same amount of money in the end.
Besides, the only people affected here are Iowa, Michigan and Michigan State. But they both play Notre Dame, who are high profile and usually a decent, sometimes a pretty good team, and those series take occasional breaks that will probably become more frequent. We could take breaks with ISU but we’re a significant piece of their revenue and in-state politics make that tricky.
Don’t expect much crying from the rest of the B1G, they can still do an FCS, a mid-major and a BCS every year.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
It isn't just the money during the season
as Ross said, schools are concerened about the possiblity of another road loss. That also ties into the money that would be lost but not getting two teams into the BCS.
Whatever farm animal of war, Lana. Shut up!
by Carfino'sWay on May 19, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
jNorthwestern runs the "Operation Fortitude" of sports programs
You go to Evanston to see an event and from the outside everything seems normal, but once you get inside the stadium, arena, etc. you find out that this is just a building meant to mimic an actual venue. Instead the building is not meant for actual use and cannot provide even a modicum of the experience you would expect from a Big Ten school. Finally, their fictional football team is led by an obnoxious-but-effective general who makes you develop an outsized and unhealthy fear of an attack at Calais, when you know damn well that their potato-shaped landing craft will be hitting the shores of Juno beach (I made them Canadian) any day now.
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Rambler bait
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on May 18, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Bubba Jenkins was treated unfairly at PSU and his victory over the evil, horned equine was righteous
There you go
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Lately, Rambler has been less honey badger and more raccoon.
Ornery, sure, but not quite the whorl of debris left behind as what we consider his usual damage profile.
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by therealCatnuts on May 18, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I was going to really try to rile him with a statement about the civil war
but certain females and historical humor-bereft managers have made that topic about as welcome as General Sherman in a Georgia peach orchard
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by Lycurgus on May 18, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
'Historical humor' sounds like an oxymoron if I've ever heard one.
I also roll my eyes at Civil War talk, but is anybody really stopping you? I think you’re just getting a little miffed that people expressed they don’t care.
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by therealCatnuts on May 18, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, historical humor is a legitimate form of social exclusion.
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I have to admit I thought of you when I saw this yesterday

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by therealCatnuts on May 18, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
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by therealCatnuts on May 18, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You're dumber than a vulture with his head stuck in a deer carcass.
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by ReadingRambler on May 18, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I do not understand this colorful Central Pennsylvanian colloquialism
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by therealCatnuts on May 19, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey!
If by ‘certain females’ you’re referring to me, I honestly have no issue with fellow commenters partaking in a little civil war debate. I thought the original comment was meant in jest & thought I’d have a little fun, too. Sorry! Guess I should have my humor filter in for service…
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by HawkeyeGirleye on May 18, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
"I guess I struck a nerve"
I was just kidding above. My social life is a testament to the fact that I never let a woman curtail my discussion of historical events or their inherent humor.
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As is your budoir life, natch.
And I was also kidding when I said I don’t like historical humor. Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin walk into a bar…
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by therealCatnuts on May 18, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I swear I'm not normally so sensitive
&, obviously, I’m really awful at deciphering the tone of other’s posts.
Would it surprise you to learn that the bulk of my civil war knowledge comes from reading ‘Gone With the Wind’ multiple times waaaayyyy back in high school?
Shall we hug it out?
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by HawkeyeGirleye on May 18, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Frankly HG, I don't give a damn
Yes, let us electronic hug, which I imagine looks something like this |< >|. I promise that I won’t use the civil war for the purposes of pestering you anymore.
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Pester away
You can be the little brother (pretty sure I have at least a few years on you) I never had- I might just learn something! Stranger things have happened.
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by HawkeyeGirleye on May 19, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Another conflict resolved throught healing powers of history. Huzzah!!!
My nerd work is done here and I am off.
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It's a beautiful thing
All hail the BHGP family- Civil War buffs, girls like me who think they can still party like they did in college & the rest of y’all.
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by HawkeyeGirleye on May 19, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
easy rec
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by ReadingRambler on May 18, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
See, I would have used
JoePa is a fascist*, just like his good friend Mussolini.
*I don’t believe that, BTW. JoePa is my favorite non-Kirk Big 10 football coach.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on May 18, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
JoePa #2 is not very controversial.
Where the real debate starts is #3 on everyone’s list. I think I have to go with, ugh, damn this is tough. Um, Dantonio? I’m not even close to sold on that one.
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by therealCatnuts on May 18, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Pellini
He brings crazy to the potluck.
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by Blackheartnopants on May 18, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Zooker, just for comedic value?
Or does Kill get the sympathy vote for having to try to do something with the Frozen Rodents?
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Not favorite in terms of comedic value.
Favorite as in you like him and would be ok with him coaching your beloved Hawks.
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by therealCatnuts on May 18, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I viewed it as least offensive of the other coaches as opposed to who I'd be ok with coaching the Hawks.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
I'll go with Jerry Kill
He seems to garner mucho respect and seems very hungry to succeed. Now we just have to see if he’s any good.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I would have backed the Zook Hook
But it’s been years since he’s called.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on May 18, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Ike? Obnoxious? Doesn't compute.
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by ReadingRambler on May 18, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Patton is who I was going for.
Not so much obnoxious as eccentric
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Patton was only obnoxious to men without manliness.
"The more I say, the more I have to take back." - Norm Parker, revised
by ReadingRambler on May 18, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Germans gave up their manliness for those twelve years when they allowed themselves to be ruled by a tiny Austrian nut.
"The more I say, the more I have to take back." - Norm Parker, revised
by ReadingRambler on May 18, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
And Ike, as leader of SHAEF, had ultimate responsibility for carrying out Fortitude and Overlord.
"The more I say, the more I have to take back." - Norm Parker, revised
by ReadingRambler on May 18, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but Patton was the General in Charge of the fictional invasion force
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...Which was only part - albeit a big part - of Fortitude.
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by ReadingRambler on May 18, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It isn't always easy to create a perfect analogy between
WWII history and Big Ten football
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I guess not.
By the way, Matt McGloin throwing the ball is a frontal assault and the Ohio State defense is Marye’s Heights.
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by ReadingRambler on May 18, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Marcus Coker
is a T-34 rolling across the plains outside of Kursk
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Who?
If you’re referring to the general who led his legions to slaughter at Teutoburg Forest, he is usually referred to as Quinctilius Varus
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Or are they your lesions?
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by Pain in the Sash on May 19, 2011 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Gordon Gee - playing Augustus, the moral crusader
Jim Tressel – Play Publius Quinctilius Varus, the bumbling commander
NCAA – playing Arminius and his Germans
T. a priori – playing a centurion whose accolades always precede his accomplishments
Tressel: “Centurion a priori, report”.
a priori: Salutes. “Sir, we destroyed the village of Youngstown and crucified the inhabitants”.
Tressel: “Excellent. Wait, where is your eagle?”
a priori: “Oh, we sold it in exchange for this awesome chariot.”
Tressel: “Not cool guys. Really not cool. Anyway, we are in a forest, how are you going to use a chariot? Well, we should be heading back to the BCS, I will forgive this transgression. I know a shortcut back, we just need to head through this dark treacherous forest. Let’s go guys. Derp, derp, and derp.”
NCAA: Receives a small village girl at the mouth of their forbidding cavernous abode. “What is it child?”
Girl: “The Buckeyes have come and destroyed our village.”
NCAA: “How do you know it was them? You are just a small girl?”
Girl: “The sold us this eagle.”
NCAA: “To WAR!”
The battle was over quickly, but the fighting continued into the late hours of dusk as the remnants of the Buckeye legions were dispatched with the utmost prejudice.
After being told about the disaster, Gordon Gee experienced many sleepless nights and could often be heard calling out from beyond the veil of sleep, “Tressel, Give me back my seasons!!”
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by Lycurgus on May 19, 2011 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
That truly is awesome
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by ClaybornSmash on May 19, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Thread winner here.
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by therealCatnuts on May 19, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I like to think of him as Crassus
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on May 18, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure we've ruined this thread
Again.
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by Blackheartnopants on May 18, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we need a Mithridates reference before it is completely
ruined
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It's not completely ruined until I compare Jim Tressel to Joe Hooker.
Seriously, think about it, it’s pretty good. Tressel restores confidence to his subordinate coaches and men with a series of brilliantly executed new plans (Cheating!) and leads them to their first big win against the SEC with plans that are, in the words of Porter Alexander, “decidedly the best strategy conceived in any of the campaigns ever set on foot against us.” He beat them at their own game: cheating! It’s foolproof!
However, everything goes wrong when Chris Wetzel (Stonewall Jackson) and company finish their investigative report (massive flanking attack) and the weakest part of Ohio State football, the compliance department (Otis Howard’s 11th Corps – Still Germans, but without the “I fights mit Sigel!” mantra), is totally exposed and routed, leaving the rest of the program to crash on the rocks.
"The more I say, the more I have to take back." - Norm Parker, revised
by ReadingRambler on May 19, 2011 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yep, it's ruined now.
Nice work, all.
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by therealCatnuts on May 19, 2011 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions
And these historical posts I’m writin’
Are just for you
Just for you
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by ReadingRambler on May 19, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I go outside of battlefield action
and think of Tressel more as Kissinger; infallible and aloof for years only to be revealed as something close to a war criminal.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 19, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty good
We all secretly suspected both were evil and/or sociopaths, and were proven correct after more than a decade of hiding it well
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by therealCatnuts on May 19, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait 'til we find out that in order to win the war against Michigan
he’s been bombing Ontario for years.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 19, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Ontario is Cambodia? Because, if yes, who represents the big red shelter of China?
And keep in mind that no contemporary American politician (Kissinger and McNamara especially) or General except Creighton Abrans would have had the balls to call out China for their masssive levels of support for Michigan : North Vietnam. As a matter of fact, that reminds me, in We Were Soldiers Once….And Young, Hal Moore claimed that General Westmoreland, probably under pressure from the top, went all Purdue and reamed Moore and his officers for citing evidence of Chinese advisers found amongst NVA bodies.
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by ReadingRambler on May 19, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who?
Why, Quebec, of course. Actually, Quebec and Ontario should probably be reversed in this scenario since Ontario gave Michigan Tim Biakabatuka.
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by Kyle McCann't on May 19, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
We'll just have to skip over the part
of 20 years of American policy failure that drove the North Vietnamese into the arms of the Chinese.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Who are the French in this scenario?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 19, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Purdue
which is in West Lafayette, Lafayette being a French name.
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by Blackheartnopants on May 19, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Could you explain this please?
America did have a strange relationship during World War 2 with Ho, but I still don’t see how America was ever supposed to prevent the communists there from taking the side of a fellow communist nation. Especially since America, for a myriad of reasons, was never involved with the Vietnamese region until late in World War 2 when the Vietnamese communists were already becoming strongly established. After World War 2, during the First Indochina War, we couldn’t very well do anything but do what we did. At best, we could have ignored both sides (Perhaps the smart choice), but it would have been folly to stand against any of our critical European allies, regardless of their imperalist tendencies, because the fact is that the old hardcore imperialist (I hate it when some historians act like communist imperialism isn’t as bad or worse than the European kind) communists were absolutely the most destructive sort of people this planet has ever seen.
Also, let us remember that, as the article I linked stated, the Chinese were offering such support in such a short amount of time that it seems logical to think they probably would have helped no matter what we did or what the Viets wanted. It wouldn’t have been in their best interest to let the French reclaim their scenario. Again, we could have and should have – there was no chance of our winning unless we addressed the fact that China was the largest safe haven ever seen – stayed neutral instead of ever getting involved – but it doesn’t seem sensible to say we drove communists to go to other communists for help defeating non-communists.
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by ReadingRambler on May 19, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
scenario = colony
"The more I say, the more I have to take back." - Norm Parker, revised
by ReadingRambler on May 19, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
The honey badger is back!
That stuff I said about you being a raccoon? Sorry, I was wrong.
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by therealCatnuts on May 19, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
He is like Otto Skorzeny
in his deftness and suddenness of attack
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I read 'deft' as 'daft' the first time.
English makes me giggle sometimes.
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by therealCatnuts on May 19, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you have to make me a German?
I’d prefer to be Chesty Puller; equally deft and sudden, but he found it utterly impossible to not talk too much for his own good, whether the statements were accurate or not.
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by ReadingRambler on May 19, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I absolutely had to.
There was no getting around it. Plus, I like to think you have a pretty badass face scar.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeFyTYhCgdo
"The more I say, the more I have to take back." - Norm Parker, revised
by ReadingRambler on May 19, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
So many comments about that video
ineffectiveness, douchiness, awesomeness, ring tone, etc
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by therealCatnuts on May 19, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
The only people the Vietnamese hated more than the French, were the Chinese
Ho may have been a communist, but he was first, foremost and always a strident nationalist. The Vietnamese HATED and loathed the Chinese above all of others because of the millenia-long interference of China in Vietnam/Indo-China.
Granted, in the 1940s and 1950s, the French were the more immediate, important enemy, but all the while Ho and the Viet Minh were just as wary of the Chinese trying to encroach on Vietnamese. Ho and the NVA/Viet Cong gladly took Chinese arms/weapons/supplies, especially while fighting us, but that was more an instance of “the enemy of my enemy is my (very temporary) friend”, rather than any particular warm feelings between the two. Hell, shortly after the Vietnam War ended, China and Vietnam fought a limited war of their own.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
So, what the statistics say, is jNW, Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue, and Illinois should ALWAYS have 5 away games on a 9 game conf schedule, with the 6th member relegated based on record or some such. OR, Indiana, jNW and Purdue should have to play home games at Redskins stadium, Cleveland, Soldier Field every year to increase gate with away fans who live in big metro areas.
Extra home game for an entire division
A possible solution for the home game imbalance: the extra home game goes to all the teams in one division, alternating which division every year. I think this would work mathematically, and the division champions would be determined among teams that have played the same number of conference home games. The extra home game for the teams in one division wouldn’t matter when the champs meet in the championship game at a neutral site..
Maybe home schedules would look weird (some of the teams would end up having more cross-divisional home games than intra-divisional home games), but I think it would be relatively fair. Or feel free to point out reasons why not that I have missed.
Maybe make the protected cross-over game hosted by the Legends division teams one year . . .
. . . and the Leaders division teams the next year?
I don't really like this idea.
But it’s gonna happen anyway. I blame Nebraska.
"The more I say, the more I have to take back." - Norm Parker, revised
I am filled with regret and despair!
"The more I say, the more I have to take back." - Norm Parker, revised
by ReadingRambler on May 18, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, what did Anne Murray do?
Is there a Canada joke I’m missing here?
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by therealCatnuts on May 19, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
As long as it maintains the deep loathing I feel in the pit of my sould for Iowa.
Because there was that one game way back when that mattered so much when whats-his-nuts did that thing.
A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance
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Have you, personally
ever actually m*d* a b**l*r before?
(I wasn’t sure what the etiquette was for putting the two root words so close together, so I erred on the side of caution.)
And don’t bring up the moon, cause everyone knows that Kubrick never lived in West Lafayette.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on May 18, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably the least-awful pick for OMHR
since he gave those folks some level of healing by contributing to the local team’s Super Bowl win. Brad Banks, on the other hand, rips that wound wide open.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 19, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
They must really hate Shonn Greene then
as he continues to torment precious Peyton after nearly killing poor Frank Duong
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by therealCatnuts on May 19, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I think when it comes to OMHR playing Iowa
Kyle Orton has to be the one they’d be most mad at. If memory serves me correctly, he went vagtastic against Iowa.
I got 99 donuts cuz a bitch ate one.
by Pain in the Sash on May 19, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, couldn't we just replace you?
I mean, our hate for Purdue will always burn white hot, but wasn’t the Iowa/Purdue “rivalry” just the leftover to ensure everyone else got their one crossover rival of choice? With everyone else getting that extra game, schools like Michigan State or Nebraska, who already have their first/only choice of real importance, could just be repaired with Purdue as “rival” no. 2. I would actually favor this strongly with the idea of picking up both Wisconsin and Illinois. Say what you will for the Zookers, but there’s no way border states should go these crazy long stretches without playing one another.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 19, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
wasn’t the Iowa/Purdue "rivalry" just the leftover to ensure everyone else got their one crossover rival of choice?
That’s what they want us to believe.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Be that as it may, seriously,
with two games it would allow for someone else to pick up OMHR. MSU at least shares a border with them so that would seem to make much more sense allowing Iowa to tab Illinois.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 19, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It would
but this would also involve Delaney changing his mind. I can seriously see a discussion that was limited solely to the topic of adding the second rivalry game because the first one was already setup for each team because upper management can’t wrap their head around the idea that there’s a better way.
“But we can’t have Purdue be the secondary rivalry for two teams. They must each have a #1 and #2 rival.”
“Why do they have to be numbered?”
“So that people can tell them apart.”
Maybe that’s just because one of my bosses is slightly dumber than this.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
9-7-6-1 for $500,000
I think this is a great opportunity to limit our expenses. ISU drops to D1 AA we could pay them what their worth move the once named “Iowa State Normal School” (UNI) up to the #1 in state rival pay them $500,000 and move on. I can see the t-shirts now in black and gold “these colors don’t run we have mooooooooved on”!!!!!!!!
Whoever said it first was right, this thread is dead!
Ok sorry lost it for a while. Playoffs that is the penicillin of college football. No need to play for the conference title to get into the bcs cause you play who ever, when ever and where ever. One loss doesn’t put your season in dire straits, even two losses and your fine just like LSU a few years back. The best benefit………………..wait…………….wait ……….drink heavily…………..cupcakes would be cheaper with the same amount of sugar. What an F’n bargain.
OhioHawk has a son on the boards.
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by therealCatnuts on May 19, 2011 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Possibly an estranged, drunken step-child
But definitely not a legitimate heir
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by ClaybornSmash on May 19, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I mean that in the kindest way possible. Much love, OhioHawk.
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by therealCatnuts on May 19, 2011 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
And here we go again.
How much does this set the table for a re-opening of the expansion debate? While the gate receipts would shrink with the loss of home games/2-for-1’s, increased television revenue could go a long way towards narrowing the gap. The marketability of a Big Ten hockey league is already a nice first step in the quest for more TV revenue but is hardly a huge feather in the collective cap (yet).
Say they go to 9 games and then, after a few years, folks start grumbling. Well the genie isn’t going back in the bottle so then we start looking at ways to get dollars back in the coffers. This is where the idea of increasing that ol’ television footprint comes in handy. Now I’m not about to start hypothesizing about the who, when and why but rather posing wether this scenario holds any water. Thoughts?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
Sadly I could see this happening
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on May 19, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
You big picturin' radical, you.
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by therealCatnuts on May 19, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I can see people wanting it to happen
but two things will stop it
1) Who would we take? That debate has been done to death so I’ll stop there.
2) If B1G goes 14 or 16, SEC & PAC would likely follow suit. The Big 12’s TV deal was put together by back room power brokers not just to save the Big 12, but to prevent 14/16 team super-conferences. Those same power brokers would probably try to throw some muscle to prevent it a second time, too.
I think there will be some upheaval in the MAC/WAC/Mtn West/Big12 world, but unless the PAC makes a powerplay for Texas, the BCS conferences will hold at 12 max. You can never be too rich, but it’s going to be awfully hard for B1G to cry about money for the next few decades.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Except the bigger the conferences
the less it matters what outsiders think. If the SEC, Pac Whatever and the Big Ten contained 48 power schools, couldn’t you see a sort of cabal evolving where they could say, “OK, we’ll just leave the BCS and play in our own non-sanctioned championship.” People could call the BCS champ whatever they’d like, but the reality is everyone would know the winner of that threesome is the true MNC.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 19, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
No
but only because that’s what the BCS started as and it was outside pressure that has lead to greater access for non-BCS schools. 48 means even more teams are excluded so the outside pressure will be even greater.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
16 game seasons are just a matter of time
so 10 guaranteed home games will be the necessity.
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
Sad but true
So very true
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by therealCatnuts on May 19, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I was on that pulpit during Expansionpalooza and came to the conclusion
that the only thing that can stop it from happening is CTE. And that’s probably a long shot.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on May 19, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I joke
A LOT
but I don’t joke about peoples’ actual brain damage.
It’s a morbid thought, but I believe that’s the long-view reality.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on May 19, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not ten conference games?
Seriously. Play 5 home and 5 away against every Big Ten team but one, and have one non-conference for the Iowa States and Notre Dames of the world. Yes it’s fewer home games, but it would be made up for with the TV money from a longer, more competitive season that culminates in a conference championship game.
And it would make the “Big Ten” conference name kind of make sense (at least in football)!
That may have been a long shot option before we picked up Nebraska.
But now it wouldn’t make sense.
Also, there’d be no need for a conference championship game.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on May 19, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I forgot to mention it before: Great article, Ross.
This had excellent sources, a ton of food for thought, and made an incredibly complex topic with a lot of outside influences eminently readable. Very nicely done.
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agreed
deserves a rec
He sired a baseball team... An orchestra, if you count the bastards!
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