GONE BABY GONE: Cully Payne To Leave Iowa Basketball Team
by RossWB on Apr 5, 2011 8:00 AM CDT
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PrintIn hindsight, it was probably too good to be true. A hoopyball offseason without even a minor flare up of TRANSFERMANIA? Perish the thought. There hasn't been official confirmation from the horse's mouth yet, but it sounds like a done deal: Cully Payne is leaving the Iowa basketball program.
(EDIT: And here's the official word.)
Payne averaged 8.7 points, 3.8 assists, 3.0 rebounds, and 0.5 steals per game two years ago and earned all-freshman team honors from Sporting News after being thrust into a starting role by the transfer of incumbent starting point guard Jeff Peterson. Like many freshman starters, Payne had a rocky first season, although he did log double figures in five of six Big Ten games late in the season. He also erupted for 25 points in Iowa's season-ending loss to Michigan in the Big Ten Tournament, when he was virtually the only player who seemed to want the season to continue.
Payne sat out almost all of last season while recovering from sports hernia surgery. In his absence, JUCO transfer Bryce Cartwright took over the point guard spot and flourished, leading the Big Ten in assists and establishing himself as a team leader. It was unclear what role Payne would have had with next year's team; Cartwright seemed pretty firmly entrenched as the starting point guard and while McCaffery expressed some interest in playing them both at the same time, Payne was far from a lights-out shooter (37% FG, 32% 3FG as a freshman; 29% FG, 21% 3FG as a sophomore*, albeit in limited action) and Cartwright appears to be a better playmaker and distributor of the ball.
That said, Payne's departure certainly hurts. He showed enough flashes of potential as a freshman that it would have been nice to see how he could have developed under McCaffery. More importantly, he was a capable ballhandler, something in very short supply on this Iowa team; in his absence, Iowa was forced to run Cartwright ragged at the point. Payne would have been very useful as a back-up point guard capable of playing 10-12 minutes, if nothing else.
If there's a silver lining to Payne's departure, it might be the fact that this loss isn't quite as damaging as the other transfers sustained by the Iowa hoops program in recent years. It's a blow to Iowa's depth -- especially at a position of need -- but he wasn't one of Iowa's leading scorers or rebounders (see: Tony Freeman, Jake Kelly, Aaron Fuller). Iowa still returns arguably their three best players from last year's squad -- Cartwright, Matt Gatens, and Melsahn Basabe. Payne's departure also gives McCaffery another scholarship to work with and, based on the early returns, McCaffery knows what he's doing on the recruiting trail. The previous plan was to land a guard and a big with Iowa's two remaining scholarships for next year; they'll probably look to add another guard now and it's become imperative that they land more ballhandlers -- we really don't want to see Devyn Marble or Gatens as emergency point guards anymore. But farewell, Cully -- hopefully you find the good fit you're seeking elsewhere.
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Damn it
I am kind of shocked at this, from all appearances the program looks to be in a major upswing – talent, attendance and attitude. Either Cully wasn’t buying into the program or he really wants to start. Sad to see him go, best of luck wherever he lands.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Apr 5, 2011 8:08 AM CDT reply actions
He will have to sit out...and assuming he was unable to crack the line-up next year
he was looking at one year only behind Cartwright. Unless, that is, he sees Fran feverishly recruiting PGs.
So his option is to sit out and play for a lower level team (I don’t expect too many programs with a higher profile than Iowa to want him…if any) or spend his 2nd year of eligibility behind the senior-to-be Cartwright and win the job in his final two years.
My sense is that Cully read some writing on the wall, written of course by Fran. Fran may not have been in love with the future under Cully as a starter and saw him strictly as depth and back-up at most. Payne, like so, so many recruited by Lickliter, sees himself as the second coming…of Steve Blake I assume.
We missed a capable back-up last year. I expect Fran to target a junior college PG and a freshman PG now. I expect the best days of Iowa basketball to begin in 2012-13 anyway. Lickliter never played deep into the bench and so he left the cupboard bare. Fran, on the other hand, develops guys and gets players into games. He needs to build his depth and establish his style for at least one more year before I think we see a break through—as in NCAA Tourny invite.
My prediction is Payne ends up like most of Iowa’s recent transfers: at a mid-major or down on its luck major, playing 18 minutes a game. In other words, and in all likelihood, a step backward in terms of playing time.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I wonder when or if the revolving door of CBB players can slow down
To be sure, there are lots of factors (AAU mentality, NBA draftees, transfers for playing time, discipline, grades, etc). But it’s still hard to watch. It rarely resembles a collegiate atmosphere, however you want to define that.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 5, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Cully seems to be a bit of a nomad, too.
He verbaled to DePaul, then signed with Alabama, then moved to Iowa when Bama fired their coach.
Payne, like so, so many recruited by Lickliter, sees himself as the second coming…of Steve Blake I assume.
As I recall, Payne was one of the players most upset by Lickliter’s dismissal. He was one of the few players who seemed to be fighting hard to save TL’s job in that Big Ten Tourney game a few years ago.
I expect Fran to target a junior college PG and a freshman PG now.
I’m not sure how many good freshman PGs are available right now. We definitely need one at some point, but I’d almost rather see him bring in a pair of JUCOs and bide his time for the right freshman PG than tie up four years (well, theoretically — we all know how quick players are to transfer now) with an iffier freshman PG now. Basketball scholarships are precious enough that you can ill afford to miss on too many players. One of the problems we had under TL was tying up scholarships long term in some marginal talents (or, more kindly, projects).
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
If fran was already seeing Culley
as a third option or worse, could his departure open a scholly for a true big man rather than another PG?
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
I don't really see how that works.
We have no PG depth. And, frankly, we need more backcourt depth, period — all of other main guards — Gatens, Marble, May — are kind of hybrid SG/SF types. If he can land more of a true shooting guard, he should absolutely go after that. Oglesby will help, but I still wouldn’t turn down more guard help unless he’s in on a couple of really good big men.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
what are the chances that iowa lands oglesby's teammate, wes washpun?
he was a pg but would probably be a risky pick in terms of talent level.
Don't think he has an offer yet.
Sounds like he’d probably jump on one if he got it.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
yeah, my guess is that if he gets an offer from the hawkeyes,
it’s of walk-on variety. i have a feeling that fran highly values each scholarship so i don’t think he’s afraid to let one remain unallocated for a year vs. locking someone up for four if they’re undeserving. i could see stoermer earning one going into his senior season, though.
Word is Washpun's going to get an offer
Sooner rather than later.
Everything I’ve read about him indicates he’s a fantastic athlete, a tenacious on-the-ball defender, and can really get to the rim and finish. I seem to remember a coach of some sort (AAU I think) on an Iowa site hyping him and saying the only things that held him back from getting high-major offers were his grades early in his high school career (since taken care of and in good academic standing) and his lack of a good jumper outside 15-17 feet.
Here’s a short video of a dunk in high school. He can jump.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKUkn3FNWz0&feature=related
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
We do really need guards with strong outside shooting.
But good athletes and tenacious defenders are also something we could use, so I wouldn’t be upset if Washpun got an offer.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
thanks for that video and update.
i knew he was an above-average athlete and it would be good to see him develop an outside jumper. hopefully he can become an asset for iowa (if offered, of course).
I think we're at that "best player available" point in the draft.
We’re not in a position to be picky, if he’s good, we could use him.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Isn't Eli Carter a PG?
Stormy seems pretty high on him. ESPN says he’s “not a pure point guard” but follows up by stating
Carter has showed good progression in terms of his development as a point guard making good decisions with the ball and organizing the team in the half-court set
I also remember seeing some news about JUCO PG Pierre Jackson having some Iowa interest. Both appear to be pretty solid talents that would provide great depth to the roster.
by The Mexican't on Apr 5, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Carter would be a great get, but I don't know how likely that is.
And, yeah, Jackson was in the article linked by Kluginator down below. Definitely a name to watch.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
scout.com says Iowa hasn't offered carter yet.
What’s up with that?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Speaking of recruiting point guards
This was in the Tuesday IC Press Citizen : Top junior college recruit considering Iowa
Fran is out recruiting and I suspect the departure of Payne makes a place like Iowa even more interesting to a JC guard looking to see the court soon and often
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
hey i had fun
in pierre south dakota one night
it was a long time ago
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
And he played with Nate Miles (he of UConn violations fame) at C of SoID
So he’s clearly doubly tainted and unworthy of a spot in Iowa City.
I hope that Fran is not chasing off players
Payne would have contributed next season and he played hard during his tenure here and I don’t think he did anything to disrespect Iowa so I am sorry to see him go.
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
by Kluginator on Apr 5, 2011 8:47 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
meh, if they get a better player, so what?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I rec'd that
because I wholeheartedly agree.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
I really doubt Fran would chase a guy like Cully off.
The kid hustles, doesn’t seem to put individual stats ahead of the team, and suffered a wicked injury and is rehabbing. He may not be quick or a good shooter, but Iowa has plenty of dudes on the bench that fit those descriptions.
Cully did this in order to get more PT. I don’t know where. I just hope it isn’t at Castaway Island (aka Iowa State).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 5, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
If I was to hazard a guess
(and it would certainly be hazarded)
I would think that Fran didn’t run him off, but gave him an honest lay of the land. He’s 2nd string by a long shot. That’s gotta be hard to take when you think you are The Man (and it’s an extremely hard thing to be a successful athlete without thinking that way), just a short time after All-B10 Freshman honors.
Cully didn’t like that lay of the land and decided he had a better career elsewhere. I’ll disagree with him but it’s his life and career. Good luck to him, wished he could have stayed in Black and Gold. He’s a huge upgrade over almost any transfer or true FR.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 6, 2011 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
This is really too bad
I’m surprised Cully decided to leave. I mean, the starting PG position was probably out of reach for next year, but it’s not like he lost starting QB — there were minutes to be had. Playing backup PG, combined with a little back-up SG, could have meant 25 minutes a night. I don’t get it. Is missing a year and then playing a similar role on a Horizon League team that much more appealing?
I'm betting that in three years we look back on these TL recruits and realize they were all abused
children players. I really was caught off guard by Fran declaring Cully out of the starting job for next year. Fran is a really smart guy, there must have been a reason for that. Certainly Cartwright would not transfer if he said the job was open. I am thinking Cully might have been sent some smoke signals here. At the very least, Fran was preparing him for reality regardless of the fall out from such a preparation.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Sorry, but I ride the short bus and don't always understand everything I read
Is Fred drooling because: a) he covets Culley Payne, b) Iowa’s misfortunes make him salivate excessively or c) he is staring at a bikini photo of SEG?
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
Probably all the above
But I was poking fun at Hoiberg and ISU jumping at nearly any D1 athlete from a BCS school who announces they are transfering.
Hoiberg has been assembling a team full of Big Ten cast-offs over the last year.
There are four Big Ten transfers on their team (or will be on their team) now: Chris Babb (Penn State), Chris Allen (Michigan State), Royce White (Minnesota), and Korie Lucious (Michigan State). All but Lucious will be eligible to play next year.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
The Internet rumors that Anthony Tucker will be playing for Fred also
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
Indeed.
It’s currently spreading like wildfire.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
He does understand that this isn't Pokemon, right?
You don’t have to collect them all
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Apr 5, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Robbie Hummel
will be a 26-year-old Senior when he eventually suits up for Hoiberg.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Apr 5, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I made a joke about Hummel's ACL's yesterday on H&R
They really don’t have a sense of humor about it like we do with AIRBHG…. Kind of disappointed that they take it so seriously
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Apr 6, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
His ACL injuries probably kept them from having realistic shots at making the Final Four the last two years.
Then again, Stanzi’s ankle injury might have kept us from a Rose Bowl (or better?) appearance a few years ago.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
True
But there’s nothing you can do about it but make light of it. Also, after their entire football team developed a case of weak ACL’s, the jokes write themselves. It just seems to me that H&R is all about thoughtful analysis, which is a good thing, but they’re sorely lacking in the humor department. Sports are meant to be fun, not to be taken as life or death situations.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Apr 6, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
[insert OMHR joke]
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
yeah, you are right about sports.
it doesn’t help that H&R had a gloriously depressing article where they detailed how much loser-ness OMHR has in general. i’m just glad that i came here not being a Purdue fan because if i did, it would probably be ugly. and by not going to Iowa, it allows me to be more ho-hum about the negatives that can surround Hawkeye sports.
yeah.
it’s sad/frustrating when it’s in the moment and it’s a single player who does everything correct. AIRBHG is really just a comedy of errors. case in point: sam brownlee.
now that's funny.
because it implies that he missed 4 years because of jail and not constant ACL tears.
I thought The Mayor preferred his transfers to be more of the 'bad boy' variety?
Cully wasn’t dismissed/suspended so I’m not sure he qualifies under ISU hoopyball transfer rules.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 5, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
If he's still in Iowa City, it shouldn't be hard to pick up a token DWI or something.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
He best get busy then
Times a-wastin’
by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 5, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
DJK bided his time, don't count out Cully
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 5, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Such a different time, such a different place..
from where this program was when the prior departures occurred. Then, I would have been much more concerned about who would replace a departed player how to replace them. I understand there’s a depth issue, but Fran has demonstrated that he is going after, and can bring in, a more talented athlete than was recruited under Lickliter. We may have to go JuCo again, though I’d rather not, but this is still a building process overall. The difference is that Fran has given us tangible evidence to not fear the future for this team. He will now get another guard. No guarantees on how it will work out but if the writing was on the wall that Payne was a career reserve when he clearly expected more, this is the best thing for everybody.
Don Nordmann, we hardly knew ye
at this point, i think that the highest quality players are juco.
for iowa, it doesn’t hurt to pick up a couple since they’re likely fairly sure bets and require less development.
Good teams have quality depth
as well as experienced starters, with just a dash of young up and comers showing flashes.
No matter how you slice it, losing an upperclassman point guard with starting experience does nothing to help the team.
Thanks for stopping by, Cully. Hope you get a good education and a degree wherever you end up and find whatever it is you’re looking for.
Brunettes not fighter jets
I think there are ways to slice it that it can help the team.
Mainly, it looks like a better opportunity for a better player who would now commit to Iowa. Better for next year? That’s debatable because we don’t even know how healthy Payne would have been. Better for beyond? Probably.
Payne had his positives, but he’s totally replaceable.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
And who would the better player be?
Point me to the point guard who is better than Cully Payne who is going to jump at the open scholarship.
Brunettes not fighter jets
Trust in the Fran.
The Fran is coming together nicely. We’re farther along on the Fran than anyone thought we would be at this point last year. Hell, at this point last year we didn’t even have Fran, did we? I’m going to trust he knows what he’s doing until he shows otherwise. He did well with Cartwright and Basabe, so I’m thinking maybe there’s a kid he’s targeted and wanted Cully to know that his minutes were not likely to come back like he wanted, knowing he would bolt. We’ll have to wait and see.
I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials
Why the Fran are so many people doubting McCaffrey?
Hasn’t he Frannin’ shown us he knows what he’s Frannin’ doing? I mean, shut the Fran up people! He obviously knows a Fran of a lot more than you about his own Frannin’ team! I mean, come the Fran on!
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Apr 5, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
The two previous coaches were the bees knees also
I am not knocking Fran but I also understand some people’s concerns
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
I mainly wanted to use Fran in place of curse words
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Apr 5, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Being as I don't know how good Payne was going to be next year, I don't know who there is.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
This seems as if it was expected.
On scout.com yesterday, it popped up that Iowa was looking at a JUCO, Matt Glover, from Wyoming who is a 6’4" combo guard. Only a freshman. Had a visit to Utah St, one upcoming to Nebraska, says he’s setting one up for Iowa. avg. 12 ppg, 5 rpg, 4 apg.
My guess is their priority is Carter, this Glover kid and then either of the “Sunrise Duo” of Eric Katenda (between Iowa, Wake and…) and Gabe Olasemi. Katenda almost looks like a Basabe clone (maybe more outside than in, though) while Olasemi is a little bigger. And not that you want to see a guy flip-flop, but ifI recall, the late signing period hasn’t started yet, so really, Cezar Guerrero could still change his mind if he thought he could get more playing time in Iowa.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Rivals list of available players with Iowa offers
C Gabe Olaseni Bel Aire, KansasSunrise Christian Academy 6’9" 220
F Steve Moundou-Missi Montverde, FloridaMontverde Academy 6’6" 225
F Eric Katenda Wichita, KansasSunrise Christian Academy 6’8" 210
F Kamari Murphy Brooklyn, New YorkLincoln 6’7" 190
G Shaquille Stokes Brooklyn, New YorkAbraham Lincoln 6’0" 170
G Elijah Carter Wolfeboro, New HampshireBrewster Academy 6’2" 170
G Anthony Hubbard Frederick, MarylandFrederick C.C. 6’5" 215
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
Some are not available
Moundou-Missi committed to Harvard, Murphy will go to prep school.
by Angle's Dangle on Apr 5, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Is it just me
Or do most of those guys seem like they must be sticks at their height / weight? I know they’re only in high school, but a 6’8" – 6’9" guy at 210-220 lbs seems really thin. Is that normal for incoming guys? Am I just not creepy enough to have been paying attention?
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Apr 5, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but he's a pudgy 260.
If he had any muscle definition he’d weigh more. 210-220 is pretty thin for 6’8"-6’9"
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 5, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
not for basketball players.
6’9", 235 is thick for a basketball player. Craig Brackins of Iowa State was 6’8.5", 225. Larry Sanders was 6’9", 222.I think Marcus Camby was 6’11" 215. Yeah, it’s not big, but I wouldn’t say it was especially thin for a basketball player.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I liked Cully as a back-up at best...
losing a back-up is not the end of the world. He pounds the ball into the hardwood too much for my liking. But, I am concerned for Cartwright. We do need a quality back-up so he can fresh legs in the late innings. Yeah, baseball’s back and with it comes mixed metaphors and terminology!
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Yep.
Whatever else Iowa winds up landing this spring, they need to get a legitimate back-up for Cartwright (i.e., not just Gatens or Marble or May spelling him for a few minutes a game).
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
what I find sad is how quickly a lot of people are dimissing Cully
as too slow, not a good shooter, not B1G material, etc., at this point. As a freshman coming into an Lick’s offense, his numbers aren’t that bad. His assist total for a freshman is only less than Horner and Oliver (and better than Pierce and Tyler Smith). Who knows how he’ll pan out, but I find the “He wasn’t any good anyway. Best of luck to him, though!” comments to be a little unfair to him.
But
it was made public that he had lost his job. His response was not to work harder and try to compete for the job, or make the most of the situation, but to leave. In terms of character, that says a lot about him. I think he may be showing his true colors here. It is not like Iowa is teeming with PGs right now. And it is naive to think that we are not going to recruit more when our starting PG is going to be a senior and his back-up is coming off surgery that put him out for a year.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Next thing you will be dissing Jon Beutjer
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
Our Feutjer's so bright
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Apr 5, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
You seem to read a ton of character issues from 18- to 20-year olds lately
Cyrus K, David Taylor, Cully, etc. That’s pretty harsh considering these guys have yet to realize themselves as men. I know we expect a lot more from athletes we consider pampered, but what kind of responsibility or long-term decision-making skills did most of us have at that age? It’s pretty damn rare to find somebody that age as accomplished and as much of a stand-up guy like Stanzi, I don’t think we should hold everyone to that high pedestal.
Looks to most of us like Cully is making a mistake, but you don’t sit inside his world. He’s a D1 athlete that probably harbors real thoughts of going pro with this sport. The only way to do that in basketball is to get minutes. Remember, all those other guys that transferred and struggled are not him, at the very least that’s what he’s thinking. If he beats the heavy odds and makes it we’ll celebrate his inner fortitude and belief in himself despite others’ unkind words as the final story.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 5, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Everything a person does reflects on his character. That's life and that is especially life in the public eye and that is most certainly life as a young man.
And I wouldn’t get too upset at opinionated analysis of Iowa players on a Hawkeye blog. It is kind of the point (at least I think it is the point). I like Cully. I don’t like his decision here. I think it is a mistake. And that is despite the fact that I think there might be ample justification to leave even. If Fran has more or less suggested to Cully that he sees him in a limited light, then that might explain a whole lot. But, seriously, is there any question that Cully would get at least 15 -20 minutes a game next year? If he plays well, would be not get even more? I think he only gets fewer minutes if he shows he has not rebounded from his injury and lost his confidence and thus takes a step back.
That might what’s eating at him too. Maybe he’s not certain he can earn the minutes. If so, that is tied directly to character.
@rupertj — I agree with you on the “he was never good enough argument” as I think Cully is more than good enough to play valuable minutes for Iowa for the balance of his career if he has overcome his injury, but he is clearly not as good as Cartwright. It isn’t even close to me. I expect Cartwright to be our best player next year even.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
But how do you feel about Anthony Tucker?
;)
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by WaterlooChazz on Apr 5, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously, I don't think this transfer reflects much on Cully's character (or lack thereof).
And, he was somewhat unlucky that one of his commit schools lost a coach.
He has lost his starting spot to a quicker guy. Leaving is not a dumb thing in this circumstance. He gave the Fran-era a year, and all he got for it was a torn groin (or was it a sports hernia, I can’t recall right now).
Now, if you want to call him a freaking retard for committing to DePaul, then OK. But let’s not give him anything less than mild appreciation for his work at Iowa. I’ll miss him.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 5, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
We will probably never know Cully's thoughts on being told he was 2nd string
but my strong inclination from every experience I’ve had with D1 athletes is that it has nothing to do with a crisis of identity and wondering if he’s good enough to earn more minutes. He probably still thinks he’s the best player on the team and if this coach can’t see that he’ll have to go elsewhere to get his minutes.
I do agree that character is defined for men even as young as these guys (or younger), but I think such a harsh judgment of that is wrong. Character is defined by how you react and learn from your mistakes, not by how often you guess correctly.
I tried to state it before but didn’t get the point across well: One of the strongest demonstrations of character is believing in yourself when nobody else does and going after your goals despite long odds. We praise inventors, generals, politicians, businessmen, musicians, pretty much everybody for exactly this. If he beats the odds and makes it to the show, his story will be the defiance of these trials.
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 6, 2011 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I've merely said it tells us a lot about his basketball character. From there you drew conclusions that I am saying he is something awful in life.
Of course he’s not. This tells me he doesn’t have much stomach for competition and I think that is a mistake and I also think how people stand up to competition is integral to their character, especially when they are an athlete. Bryce is here all of one more year. Bryce could get injured. There is not another PG within miles of the program. Cully might have three years of eligibility left. He’ll blame it on style, but he was out front saying how he loved Fran’s style when the season started. This only makes him like a lot of other athletes, like a lot of people. I don’t think Fran told him he fate is sealed at Iowa. If here were to say that to any kid and that got out, every player would be turned off. Again, I am pointing out that this reveals Cully as a kid who’s may not be up for this sort of challenge.
Frankly, I think Lickliter left the team all kinds of screwed up in the head. Cully just might end up being the period at the end of the Lickliter sentence at Iowa.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I think a good character should have a fedora, and maybe a cool, somewhat mysterious-looking moustache.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 6, 2011 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Oooo, like this guy!
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 6, 2011 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I prefer characters...
that have boots made of alligator and are sailing a boat through the streets of NYC.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 7, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
So somebody else recognized the photo as well. I was keeping mum
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 7, 2011 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Anybody else totally bummed that Kathleen Turner turned out to be a dude?
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Apr 7, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
She was a dude in that movie too.
She doesn’t hide it as well as the Thais.
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 7, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I wasn't talking about "character"
I was talking about how when a player decides to leave a program, all of the sudden he wasn’t good enough for them anyway, or he had a number of horrendous flaws in his ability.
Yep
when a player decides to leave a program, all of the sudden he wasn’t good enough for them anyway
This is why we didn’t want Cyrus K’s fat ass anyway. Come on, this is a Hawkeye site; of course we’re going to rip on non-Hawkeyes.
by DJK's bongwater on Apr 5, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
let's take Tyler Smith, for example
you could rip on his character maybe, but it’s just dumb to act like he wasn’t a good player.
Also, doing that about recruits is slightly different than guys who have actually spent time playing here, IMO.
You act like there weren't people that didn't recognize his shortcomings before today.
THere are plenty of those who thought getting a PG should still be a priority this Spring.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Denard Robinson needs to drop him a line about the value of this thought process
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 6, 2011 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Interesting note there
that we didn’t get Cartwright until May of last year. Doc says take the finger off the panic button.
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 5, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
that article made me want hubbard more.
that was a quality picture of him and i approve of the star shaved into his hair.
I think he might be able to really help out
although, I’d get sick of the “con-vict con-vict!” (or something along those lines) chant from opposing students after about 2 games
yeah, but he'd get that anywhere.
the only way you can stop is play hard and well (which i think he’s capable of doing).
Playing well would probably amplify it
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 6, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Per John Bohnenkamp
the Hawkeyes have offered a scholarship to Wes Washpun, a CR Washington senior and teammate of Josh Oglesby.
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
Somebody called it earlier in this thread
Bully for them
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 5, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
This just tweeted by Rob Howe
HawkeyeInsider Rob Howe
OK. My source was a bit premature. Wes Washpun tells me still waiting for “official offers” from #Iowa & #Tennessee. Story coming up.
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
Does Hubbard have any college time in? He's a Comm Co, right?
It would still be awesome if he is as good of a score as some say he is. Getting Washpun or Carter (ultra-quick, ballhandling PGs) with a big scorer like Hubbard and then one of the two big guys they have offered. That would be quite the haul for a team on the rebuild. Basically a full-line-up.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I prepared a much longer and more HawKCPesque rant and decided against it.
I will give you guys one for old times sake. If you are seriously stupid enough to sit around and bitch about Todd Lickliter’s recruiting how about you pull your head out of your fucking ass long enough to realize that a team lead by Lickliter recruits just played in their second straight National fucking Championship Game last night.
This transfer has absolutely nothing to do with Todd Lickliter, get over it.
Well shit, I didn’t tone that down much at all.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Except, of course, that most of their players that matter came after Lickliter left.
But, you know, Aaron Fuller, Cully Payne and Brenan Cougill are all fucking awesome. So that’s good.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Lick does get credit for Howard, Mack, and Nored
But even then, who’s got more credit, the assistant in charge of recruiting or the HC?
Howard and VanZant are the only ones who were seniors in HS when Lickliter was still at Butler.
All others with any significant time were juniors or younger. If Lickliter was hands off as a recruiter it’s a wonder how much he had toward those two guys let alone those who were younger. I’m not sure why Hawkie defends Lickliter so much, but I don’t know all his comments, so there’s that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
a team lead by Lickliter recruits just played in their second straight National fucking Championship Game last night.
Are you saying that Lickliter’s skills are validated by Stevens’ success? This is a tough argument to make. I think it’s really really a stretch to say that Butler’s success under Stevens is attributable to Lickliter. In cases like this, where an assistant takes over as HC and then exceeds previous success while the HC leaves and fails at a bigger school, I tend to give the assistant credit. Would you be willing to say that Dan Hawkins was responsible for Boise State’s run? No.
Stevens was in charge of recruiting while he was at Butler, so it’s hard to say that he was playing with Lick’s players. Also, their juniors and sophomores had nothing to do with Lick at all. Furthermore Stevens’ ability to develop some depth and to right the ship when they hit a losing streak reflect on Lickliter not at all. Yes, they play the same style of ball that they did under Lickliter. It’s also the same style of ball they’ve been playing for decades.
Just to be clear – Cully leaving doesn’t change my opinion of Lickliter (still low but no lower) and I don’t wish Cully any ill will. I do think that Fran is a better coach than Lickliter. I also think that he will be able to get a player with more upside than Payne. Is it ideal to not have Payne around? No. But I think that we’re looking at two years out for the Refranstruction of Iowa basketball. If Payne wanted more playing time and Fran thinks he can groom a PG to play up to Cartwright’s level by 2012, then great.
Lickliter did not recruit Mack or Howard.
And it is well documented that Lickliter is not a hands on recruiter. This is totally Stevens’ team. I was curious about that and learned that Stevens hand picked those guys.
Dan Hawkins = Todd Lickliter
Chris Petersen – Brad Stevens
As for Lickliter, he appears to be comparable to Dan Hawkins. Dirk Koetter was coaching Boise before Hawkins and had donoe his part to set the program up nicely — not to mention that he followed in some nice footsteps as well (Houston Nutt). Hawkins was his offensive coordinator and followed him up to have nice seasons. Everyone thought Hawkins would succeed at Colorado. It looks now like Boise just might be a program that can survive coaching changes quite nicely and I don’t hear people crediting Dan Hawkins for Chris Petersens’ enormous success.
Todd Lickliter followed Thad Motta. He took Butler to some nice seasons. Everyone thought he would succeed at Iowa.
To me, Boise was built before Hawkins and has gone to a whole new level after him. Butler was built before Lickliter — by Barry Collier — and Thad Motta made a small but significant impact but has gone to a whole new level after Lickliter.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Apr 6, 2011 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Howard and Vanzant both committed to Lickliter
I was thinking that Hayward was definitely a Lickliter recruit but had forgotten that he left after his Sophomore year. As evidenced by this article Hayward, Mack, and Nored were in the 2008 recruiting class. Wikipedia would have me believe that Hayward committed to Butler as a Junior in hike school. If I’m not mistaken, that would make Hayward a Lickliter recruit.
I’m not going to bother doing the rest of the research because it’s not the most pertinent thing in the world to me. The fact of that matter remains that many on here are quick to throw Lickliter under the bus when it comes to “his” recruits not panning out.
Payne, like so, so many recruited by Lickliter, sees himself as the second coming…of Steve Blake I assume.
Yet, are unwilling to give him credit for the recruits who did pan out even if they did commit to Lickliter.
And it is well documented that Lickliter is not a hands on recruiter.
In addition, it seems that many would like to attribute Todd Lickliter’s success (which was considerable) at Butler to his predecessor while attributing none of their success after he left to him.
I won’t go too much into it. I merely wanted to point out the blatant double standard that is being applied here. This won’t sit well with most people here (then again not much of what I say does) but take a look at Steve Alford. Alford was, inarguably, a successful coach at both Manchester and SWMS before coming to Iowa and has been a successful coach thus far at New Mexico. Lickliter was, inarguably, a successful coach at Butler before coming to Iowa. It would appear that Lickliter’s biggest mistake was not being smart enough to dump the crazy broad once it became obvious she was dead weight. Fortunately for him, Alford did just that.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
You have some good and important points
until your closing statement about dumping the crazy broad.
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 6, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I figured
if I didn’t say something outlandish that would piss people off, no one would believe I wrote the post.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Ah, the "King's Speech" method
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 6, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Lickliter had a shot at "dumping the crazy broad"
He is still without a job, after all.
I have a hard time understanding why fans aren’t supposed to be disappointed with both Alford and Lickliter. As you pointed out, both coaches were successful at programs with fewer resources than Iowa and yet only Alford had any level of success in Iowa City. Wouldn’t moving from Butler to Iowa make coaching simpler? Before Lickliter drove Iowa into the dirt and Brad Stevens took Lickliter’s recruits to two consecutive NCAA finals, I’d wager that it would be easier to recruit at Iowa than Butler.
Your defense of Lickliter makes great points, but you seem to have completely undermined your own points by tacking on the “outlandish statement that would piss people off.” It’s almost as if you’re blaming the Iowa program for the failures of the head coach.
by The Mexican't on Apr 7, 2011 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Meh.
When it comes to coaches at Iowa I usually end up taking the opposite stance of most fans just out of repulsion for the antics of the majority of fans.
The mudslinging done by fans toward Alford was so disgusting that I took an overly pro-Alford stance and what I found was that as soon as you start defending Alford, it comes at you from all directions. In Alford’s case, it was almost entirely personal and unfounded bullshit, it got old. The fact that I didn’t think Alford was the biggest douche bag to ever grace college basketball or the state of Iowa and that he was a terrible coach and that he was overrated as a player meant that it was me against the world when it came to most Hawkeye fans. I still think if there hadn’t been such a disconnect between Alford and the fans (for whatever reason) he would have ended up being a pretty damn good coach at Iowa.
Similarly, I’m certainly not in love with Lickliter. I happen to think he didn’t get a very fair shake at Iowa. I could go deeper into it but I won’t. Mostly, I just think that the way Iowa fans talk about Lickliter is unfair (see above) and a lot of it is borderline crazy ex-girlfriend behavior that is displayed by Iowa fans (again, I won’t go deeper into this but it is clearly present). In the us vs. them atmosphere that is created I end up being pro-Lickliter when in reality I’m just anti-dumbshit. It’s not much different than people who rag on Tom Izzo and say that he’s scared because he had the gall to say that a colleague of his didn’t get proper treatment.
It also extends to football. I get sick and tired of the Iowa fans who use “Bend Don’t Break” as a curse word as soon as someone scores a touchdown against us and worse if we lose yet when we beat Georgia Tech they used the term as proof that Norm Parker is a Golden God. Don’t even get me started on KOK. During the good times, I don’t see much of a need to temper people’s excitement, but during the bad times I end up as the only moron in the world who doesn’t realize that Ken O’Keefe passes too much, I mean, not enough, I mean fucking end around, I mean jail break screen baby.
When it comes to dumping the crazy broad I was simply making the point that had Alford stuck around for a few more years, it’s very likely that he would have found himself in a similar position to where Lickliter finds himself these days. Seriously, if you think back on the last few years during Alford’s tenure is there any doubt in your mind that Iowa fans would have found a way to bring about the demise of Steve Alford? To this day I still hear Iowa fans talk shit about the ‘05-’06 and how Alford sucks because the way that college basketball is setup is to judge a team’s season based on it’s success in the tournament at the end of the year. Those same people will tell you that Alford never won the Big Ten. Seriously, that was the best Iowa basketball season I can ever remember (I’m 26).
Lickliter and Alford both made mistakes by taking the Iowa job at the times that they did. Alford made it out alive, Lickliter didn’t. That’s that.
Whatever, I’ve done this before, I know where this goes, I’m done.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
You're only 26? Would not have guessed that
(yes, avoiding the big topics there)
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 7, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Though I understand your frustration with fans, and tend to agree.
It’s never been bad enough that I felt like siding with the coaches just to stick it to the idiots.
by The Mexican't on Apr 8, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Good post
I don’t know if I’d ever be compelled to side with someone just to stick it to the Idiot Faction, but I get what you’re saying. Good post.
I was at Iowa from 02-06 (so we’re about the same age), and it certainly got personal and dirty with SA. I didn’t hate the guy and was more pro than anti-Alford. That said, his handling of Pierregate was absurdly poor and the overwhelming source of the disconnect. The reason wasn’t “for whatever reason”; it’s pretty clear why there was a disconnect. He did much better the second time around in distancing himself from PP, but he was very much vilified for the whole thing (which was avoidable had he just dismissed PP in the first place).
Some of it was on him, but some of it was also complete BS that got personal and downright mean-spirited for no reason other than people didn’t like the guy. It wasn’t fair on several levels.
05-06 was great, the greatest season of Iowa hoopyball I can remember (00-01 would’ve taken the cake had Recker and Hogan not missed the last half of Big Ten play – that team was in 1st when they got hurt – and 98-99 is fantastic for the deep tournament run in Dr. Tom’s last year). Quite honestly, the 05-06 team should’ve won the regular season title, too. But it will always be remembered, whether we like it or not, for the tournament collapse. It probably shouldn’t be remembered for that, but it will be. I was there and saw that first-hand in the Palace, and I guarantee you the last thing that popped into the mind of any Iowa fan was how great the Big Ten Tournament run was or how great a season Iowa had. That was all washed away – again, whether we like it or not – by that fadeaway 3 in the corner.
As for Todd Lickliter – I used to go to games with my Dad in the Dr. Tom/early Alford days 2 or 3 times a year, weekend or weekday. And when we didn’t go or they were away, I didn’t dare miss them on TV. And that’s the problem with TL. At the end, the popularity of Iowa basketball was at an all-time low; some of it was on him, some of it was on Alford. The Iowa basketball mojo, for lack of a better term, will never, ever be lower than it was 13 months ago after Iowa got hammer-timed by Wisconsin and Minnesota back-to-back.
Lickliter was hired as the anti-Alford, and I don’t blame Bloodpunch for that at all. Lick was a good hire in that regard. If Alford was one end of the spectrum – young, brash, up-and-comer, in a power league very early in his career – then Lick was the opposite end. Former assistant (a trait SA lacked but desperately could’ve used), helped build a program, introverted, quiet (a trait SA could’ve used, especially after he left when he bashed Iowa; it was unnecessary, should’ve been kept to himself, and further destroyed his image), unassuming. Unfortunately, I think he was so far at the other end that he didn’t relate well with players, didn’t recruit much, and once his health declined, seemed to go even further into a hole.
Some of the criticism is merited toward both, some of it not. I definitely agree that Lickliter took the job at a bad time – the ebb was already pretty low, and his style did nothing to get butts in the seats and people interested again. I disagree that Alford took it at the wrong time. Many (most) in the fanbase supported his hire and were ready for a fresh start.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
Cully was forced out.
There’s a PG at Nebraska that’s unhappy, and is giving a transfer to Iowa a good look:
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 5, 2011 10:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I really think Fran is a straight shooter but also a very inclusive coach
I think Cully caved on the realization he was not the star PG.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Can you elaborate on what you mean in your subject line?
Especially the latter part.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Inclusive: I think Fran includes guys in the games. What drives me nuts is coaches who don't find roles for players.
Fran played walk-ons meaningful minutes. He played Archie meaningful minutes. He found a place for Brommer. He talks about players in ways that sound, at least, collaborative and involves guys. Lickliter and Alford would plays 7 guys 7 games straight. Alford still does that. I think that is narrow. As for straight shooter, he is not a coach speak guy with the media. He says it pretty bluntly. I like it.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
How long must we wait for fran to replace Payne?????
It has been like 2 days now with no results.
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
It's happened.
Per a RT by morehouse, Washpun has committed.
Now Iowa just needs on of the big Kansas guys and Hubbard to complete the class.
by BoilerHawk on Apr 7, 2011 12:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That was fast.
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 7, 2011 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
It seemed that the story always was Washpun is Iowa's if they want him.
From the sounds of things, Iowa’s biggest competition for the kid was North Dakota.
by The Mexican't on Apr 7, 2011 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
He was offered by Missouri State and then Martin left for Tenn
and it was unclear if Martin was going to offer him a scholly for Tenn. Possible was the word.
Two words about recruiting rankings:
Shelvin Mack
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
In your FACE, North Dakota!
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 7, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
the RT was incorrect.
washpun doesn’t plan to declare until april 13th. it seems like a perfect situation for him so i think iowa is the clear leader in the clubhouse.
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