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USA Today gives us a peek into the athletic department's books

This post is mainly here to point you to a new source of awesomeness on the internet, USA Today's updated College Athletics Finance Database.  The folks there have assembled an impressive collection of data pertaining to the finances of more than 200 universities through the magic of public records requests (private schools don't have to submit, and some public universities are exempt from such requests as well). The result is a nifty search tool that you can use to figure out where the money is coming from and where it's going in your favorite college program. Since our favorite program is, of course, Iowa, I figured I'd make a few charts (click on the images to enlarge them) based on the data given for Iowa in 2009-10 (records are also available for the years 2004-05 through 2008-09, and I go into that data a bit later).

Revenue: Where the money comes from (i.e. moolah, cheese, cabbage, spinach, long green, Lorne Greene, filthy lucre)

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[If you are confused by what any of these terms, such as "guarantees", mean, the best explanation for the various terms I could find online was this NCAA web page.]

The big thing that jumps out at me from this chart is that the money comes from three big sources: the NCAA/Big Ten, ticket holders, and contributions (boosters). In other words, from the conference, the fans, and the fans. Note that the number on "direct or other government support" is zero. An article accompanying the USA Today report notes that Iowa is one of seven programs that meets the definition of sustainability, i.e. that it generates enough revenue on its own to cover its expenses (Georgia, Louisiana State, Michigan, Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas are the others).

Expenses: Where the money goes (i.e. the same terms as above, but said in a mournful tone, as in "Ah! There goes my filthy, filthy lucre")

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Star-divide

First off, the impressive thing is that the expenses are about $14 million less than revenue, meaning that the athletic program made money, at least last year.  The big ticket expenses are coaching, administration, facilities maintenance and rental, and athletic student aid.  And not to spark another "is Kirk Ferentz overpaid debate", but the salaries of the top football coaches do account for approximately $4 million of that $14 million dollar coaching tab. Note also that the football team generates most of the program's revenue: according to the Department of Education's Equity in Athletics database (which breaks down revenue and costs for schools by sport), football accounted for about 52% of the Iowa athletic program's revenue ($45.8 million out of $88.5 million) and about 25% of the program's expenses ($18.5 million out of $74.2 million).  The U of I program seems to be doing just fine financially, in large part because of the football team, so at least in those terms (the department's financial health), Ferentz's salary certainly seems to make sense.*

* What this means for you or me, however, is something else.  Most people judge whether they are happy with a school's athletic program by things like whether the teams are winning, whether the fan experience is enjoyable, and whether the ticket prices are reasonable, not by how well the athletic department is doing financially.

Big Ten Comparisons

That gives you a picture of Iowa's finances, but what about our competition?  If you want really granular data, you can go to the site and look up each school's figures, but I thought I'd just summarize a few key numbers:

Revenue minus Expenses

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[Northwestern is not included because it is a private school and was not required to disclose their figures. I included Nebraska because they will be a Big Ten school shortly.]

As you can see, Iowa ranked third in terms of actually turning a profit* last year (I don't know what's going on with Minnesota -- it seems highly improbable that their expenses matched their revenues to the dollar). Considering that we don't have a 100,000+ seat football stadium, it's impressive Iowa is such an engine of success.  How did the program do it?  All the schools in the Big Ten make their money mainly from three sources: ticket sales, NCAA/conference distributions, and contributions.  The amount from the NCAA/Big Ten is roughly the same for all schools (about $20 million), but ticket sales and contributions vary widely:

* I'm not sure if "profit" is the best way to put it, because it's not clear what actually happens to that money at the end of the year. Is it put in an account and invested, like an endowment? That would be my guess, but I'm not sure. Anyone out there know the answer to this question?

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In terms of tickets, it breaks down pretty much as you'd expect: teams with big football stadiums, like Penn State, Michigan, and Ohio State, bring in around $40 million from tickets, while teams with small stadiums Indiana and Purdue are at the low end, bringing in $13 and $18 million respectively.  And if you think this is about something other than football tickets, it ain't:

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There is a very strong relationship between football stadium size and overall ticket sales, which stands to reason: football stadiums are big, and football is popular. The only big outlier is Minnesota, which is probably still benefiting from its new-stadium honeymoon period.

In terms of contributions, Iowa has gotten a pretty insane level of support from their fans over the past five years. Iowa ranked second in the Big Ten last year at $26.7 million, with only Ohio State raising more (and only a few hundred thousand dollars more at that). I think we can all agree that a) Ohio State is a bigger school than Iowa, b) Ohio is a bigger state than Iowa, and c) Ohio State is better at sports overall than Iowa, which makes the contributions all the more amazing.  And the trend is that the department is raising more money* over time:

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* the USA Today figures were unadjusted for inflation, so I adjusted them to 2010 dollars using the Bureau of Labor Statistics inflation calculator.  The same goes for the other "historical" (i.e. from 2004-2009) figures in the rest of this post.

The jump in contributions in 2004-05 to 2005-06 is dramatic, and the jump from 2008-09 to 2009-10 only slightly less dramatic.  The university has commenced two major facilities renovations in that span (Kinnick Stadium in 2005-06 and Carver-Hawkeye Arena in 2008), and has raised money through club seating and priority-seating gift programs for Kinnick and Carver to pay for those renovations, so we might be seeing the effects of those programs at work (the Kinnick priority-seating program started in 2006, while the Carver program will be applied for the first time next season). The USA Today data doesn't break down contributions at a finer level than that, however, so it's hard to know for sure what is behind the increase in contributions from 2005-2010.  It is interesting to juxtapose contributions and direct facilities costs over the past six years, though:

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According to the NCAA definition, direct facilities costs "[i]nclude direct facilities costs charged to intercollegiate athletics, including building and grounds maintenance, utilities, rental fees, operating leases, equipment repair and maintenance, and debt service" (italics mine). The renovations of Kinnick and Carver were partially supported by issuing bonds, so that means the immediate debt payments for those projects should be reflected in the direct facilities cost portion of the budget.

Iowa's high contribution levels reflect enthusiasm from the fans, but also a particular method for generating revenue, one that does not rely on the state or the university for direct or indirect support.  By contrast, the University of Minnesota's athletic program received about $8 million in direct and indirect institutional support in 2009-10; Wisconsin received $5.5 million. Iowa's department is self-sustaining, but that means that the money has to come from somewhere other than the university or the state, and for the most part that means the fans.

The general trend of growth in contributions is mirrored in the overall figures for revenue, expenses, coaching salaries, and administrative salaries, as this table showing the major budget items* from 2005-10 shows:

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* All figures adjusted to 2010 dollars, which explains why they don't match up to the USA Today figures, if you're curious.

Most everything -- coaching salaries, administrative salaries, NCAA/Big Ten distributions, private contributions, direct facilities costs, are up -- and as a result, a budget with revenues of $69 million and expenses of $61 million in 2004-05 has expanded to $89 and $74 million in 2009-10.  The things that haven't increased are ticket sales revenue and direct institutional support (which has decreased to zero).  There could be more to the story that I'm missing, but the big drivers of the budget I see are rising facilities costs, a decline in direct institutional support, and a rise in coaching salaries* on the expense side and higher NCAA/conference distributions and contributions on the revenue side.

* Note that the coaching salary budget line does not include severance payments, such as the $800,000 payment Iowa paid Todd Lickliter in 2010; those are included on a separate line.

One last interesting thing to note: Nebraska's NCAA/conference distribution. Nebraska received $11 million from the NCAA/Big 12, about half what the average Big Ten school received. This is a big reason why we'll be enjoying the presence of the Cornhuskers in the Big Ten in years to come. The Big 12 does not share revenue in the same way as the Big Ten (that is, equally), and doesn't have a conference-wide network to generate revenue for all the teams.  One last thing: the price Nebraska paid to leave the Big 12? It was $9.25 million. The difference between Nebraska's NCAA/conference distribution last year and the average Big Ten NCAA/conference distribution last year? That was $10.8 million. So if Nebraska winds up with an NCAA/conference distribution similar to other Big Ten schools next year, they will still come out about the same as they would have if they had stayed in the Big 12. Every year after that, of course, will be gravy -- enough gravy to make it quite worthwhile for the Cornhuskers to leave the capitalist pig-dogs of the Big 12 for the socialistic paradise that is the Big Ten.

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Whoa

Did Brian Cook write this? SO MUCH DATA.

Although I am impressed to see that we turned that much of a profit. GIVE BARTA AN EXTENSION.

by mikjones24 on Apr 4, 2011 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Someone let the Georgia Tech blog guys know WE CAN HAVE CHARTS TOO!

Nice work putting this all together in a format that makes sense!

by HawkeyeRecon on Apr 4, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I want more parties and payments for recruits!

re: tOSU! – it sure costs a lot to pay off all those recruits.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 4, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our revenues equal our expenses?

FRAUD RISK! FRAUD RISK!

Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.

by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Apr 4, 2011 10:24 AM CDT reply actions  

That was my first thought, too.

Looks like someone is matching their expenditures a little too closely with their revenues.

I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials

by Swarley on Apr 4, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or, as I've long suspected

Minnesota is nothing more than a non-profit charity case.

by brock_tune on Apr 4, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

There is that, too.

But if I walk in somewhere to audit and their revenues and expenditures match like that, I’m on high alert and shit’s hitting the fan.

I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials

by Swarley on Apr 4, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

/nods

Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.

by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Apr 4, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's more innocent than that...

…think of some teenager who has to pay $100 for something, but only has $75 of his own. What happens? Mom and dad throw in $25 to cover the difference.

Same thing going on here. The whatever general funds the university has pitched in enough money to cover Minnesota’s expenses. This isn’t at all uncommon.

by smokybandit on Apr 4, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

smokybandit has the correct answer.

School’s general fund just kicked in an amount at the end to equal liabilities.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

This makes sense

I was actually thinking along the lines of spending was being done up to the point of income, (ie, lets use every dime we’ve got) but the general funding chipping in to cover gaps in income seems most plausible.

by brock_tune on Apr 4, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would still spend some time looking at what their expenses were.

If the school had budgeted $3,000,000 and they looked at the books towards the end of the year and saw they only were gonna need $2,000,000, it is entirely possible that expenditures were inflated to get closer to what was budgeted for them. Something that symetrical (revenues equaling expenditures to the dollar) are red flags in auditing and would bear further investigation.

I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials

by Swarley on Apr 4, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're looking at it from the wrong side

I’d guess they spent more than anticipated (Brewster’s buyout for one) and had to have the General Fund bail them out. They needed x amount of dollars and got exactly that.

Hmm, there’s a “Brewster’s Millions” joke in there somewhere that I’m not able to locate.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily the wrong side. I looked at it from an auditor's prospective and saw things that would make me skeptical.

I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials

by Swarley on Apr 4, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're the auditor so you might know better

But to me, this is clearly not a typical case for auditing. It’s not only non-profit, but also a smaller portion of a much larger non-profit entity that has strange endowment and general fund rules and ability.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The way athletic departments are set up makes short answers really challenging, so I'll leave it that it looks strange, but there's probably an explanation for it.

Many NFP’s are still subject to annual audits. All of the universities in Iowa are audited annually. The endowment and general fund rules ARE quite a pain in the ass sometimes.

I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials

by Swarley on Apr 4, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a necessity

Iowa athletics (like all athletics departments) is an IRS not-for-profit entity. All funds at the end of the year must be disbursed or earmarked, or they lose their NFP status.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Apr 4, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

So where then does that $14M surplus go?

Is it plowed into facilities costs (current or future)? is it sent to the General Fund? Is it given to general student rec facilities? I am curious of this.

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by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

You still have to be skeptical when things match like that.

Obviously the general fund of the university will cover any shortages in revenues. But if, at the end of the day their earmarks are not enough to use up their revenues, what kinds of purchases are they making to inflate their expenditures? Is it used for hookers and blow? Are they buying new uniforms or something? Without actually looking at the details, one would never know.

I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials

by Swarley on Apr 4, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, no

On count one, by legislative fiat, the University General Fund cannot be used to cover any shortfall in athletics for any of Iowa’s state universities starting this fiscal year (because it includes tax dollars). It’s not a problem for Iowa; it’s a huge problem for UNI and ISU.

As for the excess funds, I don’t work for the UIAD, but my understanding is all excess funds are sent to the General Fund. Some were used on the new rec center, because the Fieldhouse can now be used for practice space. I understand some are banked for future scholarship allocation (though I don’t know if that’s actually possible). And Bloodpunch’s share is spent on hookers and blow.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Apr 4, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

dont forget long distance phone bills
And Bloodpunch’s share is spent on hookers and blow.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Apr 4, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

/is inconsolable

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Apr 4, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kirk Ferentz does

Does anyone doubt this is true?

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Apr 4, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

you win

you always do

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Apr 4, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ladies and gents, it's criminal that this photoshop has more recs than the post.

Go rec the post.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Apr 4, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you mean your post above making the initial joke about Ferentz?

(in which case: REC WHORE!), or the entire post, written by HEC (in which case: what’s the point of recommending something already on the main page?)?

by The Final Gun on Apr 4, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

The HEC post

And the point is, it’s really good. It deserves your love.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Apr 4, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is really excellent

I love it when data is broken down and analyzed in a meaningful way instead of just throwing together a few tables and not trying to draw conclusions.

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by ClaybornSmash on Apr 4, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right on:

Perhaps I have a too-utilitarian view of the rec button. I press it to promote something, or to turn it green.

I’ll rec particularly good main page posts in the future. But you guys all do a bang-up job so routinely (it’s why I’m here) that I haven’t bothered to rec main page posts prior to this. I assume you know how much your rock when you all get thousands and thousands of page views.

by The Final Gun on Apr 4, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe that the picture

usually associated with the ringing is a landline. But really.. no one uses those anymore do they?

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Apr 4, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was still referring to Minnesota's unique situation of having things match exactly.

I had heard that Iowa’s legislature had decided not to cover any shortfalls. Sucks to be ISU and UNI.

How would one put hookers, blow and long distance phone calls on an expense report and still get it approved?

I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials

by Swarley on Apr 4, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he also

attaches the small picture of his face next to the big picture of his face.. no questions are asked.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Apr 4, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Probably better for all involved that way

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by Swarley on Apr 4, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hardest part is getting the paper receipts from the hookers and drug dealers

They get a little stingy with the paperwork and you have to turn in something.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Apr 4, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

That movie was so much better when it was called "Swingers"

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would think that if

the Minnesota athletic expenses exceeded revenues then the University General fund would make up the difference so that revenues equalled expenses; or maybe not.

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Apr 4, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I gave my devil's advocate opinion on this up a bit further

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by Swarley on Apr 4, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

as usual, you are a couple steps ahead of me.

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by Kluginator on Apr 4, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure you just list them

as “Misc entertaining costs”. The real problem is providing receipts.

It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 4, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've probably posted this before

but I’m a sales guy and I think it’s awesome.

A Few Good Expenses

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by HawKCP on Apr 4, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Had not seen that. Fantastic

Have a couple of those line items on my taxes as well.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you can earmark the funds

and justify why you are holding on to them you can run a surplus – IIRC.

Many donors and funders also will examine your accumulation of unrestricted net assets. A successful not-for-profit avoids accumulating an excess of unrestricted funds that otherwise could be directed toward program services. According to BBB guidelines, a nonprofit’s unrestricted net assets available for use should be no more than three times the size of its past year’s expenses or three times the size of its current year’s budget, whichever is more.

Significant excess funds might signal to a donor or funder that its resources are not needed. But you can avoid the appearance of accumulating too much in excess funds if the board designates a portion of the unrestricted reserves for a specific purpose, such as a contingency or building fund

From the Cherry, Bekaert and Holland CPA blog. I can’t imagine Bloodpunch writing a check to the general assembly for $14 million because he couldn’t figure out what to do with the money.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Apr 4, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think they're gonna end up using that money somehow.

There are dozens of places to spend major money on the facilities alone. Like, if you’re going to have 10 minutes bathroom lines at Kinnick, how ’bout putting some big televisions in the concourse so that fans that pay money to come to your games can actually, you know, see most the game.

More and more people every year are deciding that the game-watching experience is more enjoyable at home, where you can see replays, contested calls, etc. etc.

by The Final Gun on Apr 4, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

A new hockey stadium?

/re-hash’d

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 4, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was my first thought about our revenues/expenditures.

The debt service on building a new hockey arena would not be that much annually. Naturally you would borrow the money for it and pay it back so you don’t have to come up with so much up front. There would be opposition to it, though.

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by Swarley on Apr 4, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

i ran a non profit for fifteen years

as long as the excess was earmarked and eventually
spent on activities in line with the mission of the organization
we never had a prob with the state or fed auditors
it was not unusual for me to generate 10% more than income
for programs and services we sold to other agencies
no seat license – although we charged admission
for seats at continuing education activities,,,,
and i never got the bloodpunch bennies
damn

Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER

by OhioHawk on Apr 4, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is awesome

It is great to see the amount of donations that are coming in the door for the Athletic program. As Iowa fans we often talk about how our feelings about the program are different than other programs in the country or how Iowa football is more important to Iowa fans than other schools. It is nice to see some data that seems to back up the idea that what we have is truly something special. Or as the BHGP faithful often eloquently state “Fuck you, we’re Iowa!”

Also curious what happens to the profits, I hope they are invested in some sort of endowment to help fund in years where private support is not so readily available.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Apr 4, 2011 10:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Excellent work, HEC.

I have to think the contribution increase is tied to the facilties upgrades, although it would be nice to think that Iowa fans really are that rabid/passionate/generous/etc.

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by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

With that extra money I would like to see

New restrooms in the north endzone
and TVs in the rest rooms

by ChryslerKinnick on Apr 4, 2011 10:42 AM CDT reply actions  

You forgot one thing:

Paint the watertower!

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

and

perhaps some sort of private bathroom stalls… You never know what a long morning of tailgating might lead to.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Apr 4, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I support flyovers for ISU games..

As long as they are at Jack Trice and the bombs are armed.

And we haven’t entered the stadium, i guess..

by coltranemonk on Apr 4, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

HEC is winning

in the battle of BHGP editorship for my undying love and devotion. Love the stats, this stuff is great.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 11:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Investigative journalism still lives. And at USA Today! Whodathunkit?

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

HEC has just been sacked.

Those responsible for his sacking have been sacked.
Those responsible for those responsible for his sacking have also been sacked.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Apr 4, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

So now BHGP will get a writer named Horace E Llama?

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by ClaybornSmash on Apr 4, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Alpaca

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Apr 4, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Poor HEC.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

He took the picture.

His last action before getting sacked.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Jebus?

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Passed out on the floor.

We’re carefully trying to avoid stepping on him.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I believe that

I would believe carefully posing him and taking pictures, drawing on him, and doing other things that would be not acceptable in a game thread

It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 4, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Player salaries

the reason fOSU revunues so closely matches expenses.

It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.

by FiveSecondRuleChef on Apr 4, 2011 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Interesting number

is that contributions to Nebraska are so low… any suggestions as to why that is the case?

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Apr 4, 2011 12:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Livestock, in general...

don’t have a lot of extra money laying around…

by KegMaster on Apr 4, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like a number similar

to where Iowa was before the preferred seating contribution requirements on season tickets, perhaps they don’t have those.

Also, Warren Buffett is cheap as fuck.

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by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

buffet doesn't give a shit about nebraska athletics

he barely (relatively) gives anything to omaha or omaha-causes.He likes making a global impact or something.

It would also be interesting to see the numbers for them in the late-90s, early-00;s when they were doing all of their renovations.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 4, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's doing it right IMO.

People in other countries need the help and attention a hell of a lot more than any American. And it’s also foolish to give such large sums of money (like T Boone Pickens) to college athletics. There are far more deserving causes.

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by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 4, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Donations

This falls right into the category of “shit I will never have a negative opinion of”. Quite simply, people who donate their money, or for that matter, their time, should be able to do so without any negative analysis of it. While I don’t think I would personally go the Pickens route and give hundreds of millions to college athletics if I had the millions to donate, if that’s where he wants to spend his money, then by all means he should get to. If Buffet prefers to feed starving children in Africa (or teach Africans how to farm, which is currently the Gates Foundation’s big thing) – wonderful. What people do with their own money is their business. Much better they do that than spending it snorting blow off a hooker (or seafoam off a Pelican Whore)

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by benvious on Apr 4, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only issue with Pickens

is that he gives a ton of money and they’re still lousy. You’d think he could buy better teams

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Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 4, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that's his big issue too

And why the seat under THE FORTY YEAR-OLD!!!!! may be a little warm this season.

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by HoyaGoon on Apr 5, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice work!

Thanks for compiling all the data into digestible chunks.
I hope you get paid for this work.
One obvious question: Given the obvious effect of stadium size/ticket revenue why didn’t Iowa increase the capacity of Kinnick with the last renovation? An extra 5-10 mill per year would be very doable.

by Squawkeye on Apr 4, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Nobody wants to be undersold. It's pretty recent that Iowa has sold out every game

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by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember that Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio State are very different places than Iowa,

in terms of state population (by millions and millions) and in terms of alumni population (by hundreds of thousands) and in terms of tradition-rich football programs.

Iowa is tapping into much shallower markets (the one thing we do have going for us is no professional competition).

Not that we couldn’t have sold out 100,000 seats last year, but this year that might be tricky at current prices. If we were to then have a a few 6-win seasons in a row, that stadium would be half-empty.

And that’s when you lose one of the most important resources the UIowa athletics program has: cachet. The game needs to be a hard ticket to get. There needs to be more supply than demand. If tickets are a valuable, hard-to-get commodity, people are willing to pay ridiculous prices for them. The calculation probably came down to:
90% chance of perpetual sell-outs at 70,000 seats > 50% chance of sellouts at 100,000 seats.

And that’s without getting into the bloodbath that would emerge among conservative Iowa boosters if historic Kinnick stadium’s edifice were changed really dramatically.

by The Final Gun on Apr 4, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

To the Gun’s point about exclusivity, I bought tickets on Stubhub to the Wisconsin game last year. Good seats, that I think were $250 per, or something like that. The dude sitting next to me said they were his brother’s seats, and he turned them back into the University. They apparently can’t re-sell to the general public, so they go that route. Anyway, my guess is the UI folks are generally pleased with the present capacity, and like that you’ve got to jump pretty quick if you want good seats at face.

by txhawkeye on Apr 4, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last year was also the first year in recent memory where capacity was really a pressing issue.

And last year was a perfect storm of circumstances: preseason top-10 team loaded with seniors, coming off an Orange Bowl run, killer home schedule (Iowa State, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Ohio State), etc. We’re unlikely to see all of those things happen in the same year again anytime soon.

I know they’ve had a lot of sellouts in recent years, but sometimes those are sellouts and sometimes they’re “sellouts.” In general, there have only been a few home games where it was really, really hard to get tickets and you had to pay through the nose for them. For the most part, 70K seems to be a comfortable capacity for Kinnick and I think the A.D. realizes that. Every now and then could they sell more than that? Absolutely. But it’s probably not worth it to expand capacity just for those games — especially since you’d likely have to relocate Kinnick, as Pat notes below.

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by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what Oregon does

the seating capacity has purposely been restricted so that they get sell outs.

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by Flakbait on Apr 4, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

living and going to the shoe at tOSU

more than i like to admit because its the closest B1G venue
its always hard, but not impossible to get tickets
tOSU schedules in state for the the jump on games
and those sell wildly to those alumns,,,,
shall we all remember the OU (Ohio University) maskee
tackling brutus
i even think there is a rotation perhaps my feeble mind remembers
that the legislature gave them the nudge
its ofen easier to get B1G tickies
espeically whent its Indiana or jNW at face
sometimes even less
basketball is a different story
the schott is big, and only the wiscy game had
it shoulder to should all the way to the rafters
even though on two other occassions the sold out
signs were on the door
i think all would be prudent
to leave things as they are,,,,,
in the law of supply and demand
would you rather fill the 70K every week
or have 20K empty on occassion or frequency?
i beleive the former is preferable to the latter
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by OhioHawk on Apr 4, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

What the hell did you feed your return key?

by KegMaster on Apr 5, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

OhioHawk only writes in prose

Everyone else is used to it

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by ClaybornSmash on Apr 5, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Expanding capacity at a structure like Kinnick isn't cheap.

It’s an older building with a pretty limited footprint, as stadiums go. Where are the extra fans going to go? Certainly not to the east, nor the south. There’s room to the west, but that’s where the press boxes go. Renovating that entire side of the stadium would have been a gargantuan expense without much of a guarantee of payoff.

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by Adam Jacobi on Apr 4, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

But think of how COOL it would be!

The cool factor always prevails over common sense.

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by ScottHawkeye on Apr 4, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where are the extra fans going to go?

Watertower seats, duh.

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by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, once its painted

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by ClaybornSmash on Apr 4, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is becoming a meme

And I love it

I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.

by sailorjerry on Apr 4, 2011 2:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think that was a meme before any of us even knew what memes were, actually.

People have been wanting to paint the watertower for a long, long, long time.

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by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

i remember the facebook petition et al as a student a while back

But the meme I’m thinking of was just referring to the watertower at every facilities related chance.

I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.

by sailorjerry on Apr 4, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the last one the best

But can we get some Hawkeye Kitteh action on there too?

by PackerHawk on Apr 4, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then you are wrong

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man there's a lot of jokes to follow off of this one.

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by therealCatnuts on Apr 5, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because it's a good idea

It makes no sense to not use the watertower as an advertising symbol, if not of the tigerhawk and / or the football team, then at least of the university in general

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Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 4, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Woah.

Double negative.

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by HawKCP on Apr 4, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's unpossible

It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 4, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, it is very possimpable

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by Swarley on Apr 4, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Double-deck.

Beaver Stadium added 30,000 seats this way. It’s expensive as crap, but PSU did it over 20 years.

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by Cairo on Apr 4, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

It also looks like an erector set.

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by Yabbs on Apr 4, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Details, details...

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by Cairo on Apr 4, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shhhh, don't talk stadium expansion.

Because Jacobi’s right: There’s no room for any expansion of Kinnick.

But even more dangerous is this: It’s been the worst kept secret in Iowa City for years that the hospital wants Kinnick gone. The land is coveted and the Saturday crowds are a nightmare. They’d love nothing more than a determination from the athletic department that the stadium needs expansion and that the expansion can only occur in a new facility on the far west side (or, gasp, Coralville). This will almost certainly not happen in the next 30 years, as Iowa’s dumped so much into the press box/end zone renovation. But if there’s any sort of clamor for more seats, someone’s going to suggest they be put in a vacant lot like Happy Valley or Ames.

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by Patrick Vint on Apr 4, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I could not imagine Kinnick being somewhere else

I hope this never happens.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Apr 4, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then I have bad news.

It’s going to happen; it’s just a matter of time. The hospital brings in WAY more money to the school than the stadium does. The hospital still has some room to grow upwards, but it’s only a matter of time before it crosses Hawkins.

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by Adam Jacobi on Apr 4, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

well we have a new rec center

why can’t it expand the other direction?

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Apr 4, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and the dorms past that are pretty old, too.

If it happens someday, I guess it happens. Things change.

But the hospital is also moving more and more of it’s services to other campuses. The entire family medicine department is moving out by 280 (Camp Cardinal Road). I think more and more clinics and research is going to be done away from the main building.

by The Final Gun on Apr 4, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've hard west on Melrose. It isn't going to affect the current residents, so I'm not super-informed on it.

Maybe they’re moving the clinic to Iowa River landing. But I’m pretty sure the department is moving to somewhere west on Melrose (Camp Cardinal or near the sports-medicine facility).

by The Final Gun on Apr 4, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok

Either way it fits with the new emphasis on moving outpatient facilities away from the hospital and closer to the highways.

I know that saturdays are bad around the hospital, but the bigger issue for them in their recent expansion discussions is the weekday afternoon congestion and how to bring the inpatient facilities up to current standards (private rooms, etc). That’s what I think may ultimately keep Kinnick where it is. There have even been rumors that some want aUIHC facility in central Iowa to serve the people who currently travel to IowaCity from northern, central, and western Iowa. Especially if Broadlawns ever closes.

by PackerHawk on Apr 4, 2011 2:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, or Iowa could fix it's ridulous law that Medicaid (ICare) patients have to be treated at UIHC.

There are thousands of patients with horribly-managed chronic conditions because they don’t or can’t travel to UIHC for regular care. They don’t show up until symptoms are REALLY bad.

by The Final Gun on Apr 4, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I almost had to spend

seven weeks at UIHC taking up space for something that was ultimately done by me, at home. (my insurance company was being a dick) or State Papers wouldn’t pay for and it was about $50k worth of medicine. So yeah, that needs to change.

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by Flakbait on Apr 4, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

IV Feeding

those bags of stuff are crazy expensive. So I went about 8 weeks with no food or drink. All nutirtion was taken in via a Hickman line, which is just an IV that goes into your chest. In the end, the State gave my insurance company a virtual bitch slap and they paid up.

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by Flakbait on Apr 4, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe because its monday

And maybe because its the offseason and its been marchinfornication around here, but this sub discussion has kept my brain occupied for much longer than I anticipated. This competition of the fates had just never ever occurred to me. I find it very troublesome but at the same time a very interesting opportunity. Might be worth a separate fanpost. Based on how the Hancher relocation went, I don’t see the university or the city doing anything just too radical, but who knows….

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by sailorjerry on Apr 4, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the hospital goes South across Melrose

They’ve been buying up property across Melrose for years now.

Jack Trice Stadium - Easily one of the Top 10 Stadiums in Central Iowa

by Not Marv Cook on Apr 5, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

If John Colloton couldn't get Kinnick moved out

nobody will ever get it done.

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Apr 4, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know who that is

but it comforts me.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Apr 4, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think of the devil with a laser focus on his self-interest, than multiply by 1000.

by txhawkeye on Apr 4, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Arrgh Colloton

I just spent 2 hours in his pavillion at UIHC getting a CT scan on my knee, which took a whole 60 seconds to perform.

Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.

by Give Eddie a Beer on Apr 4, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Colloton ran the UIHC for 20+ years

The hospital tripled in size during his tenure

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Apr 4, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

They been talking about it since the early 90's at least

there were some serious efforts made by UIHC to make it happen then.

It would probably be easier for them to take out one of the dorms over there if they really need the room that badly. And nobody is going to cry over Hillcrest.

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by Flakbait on Apr 4, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Buh-buh-buh,

I stayed in Hillcrest for basketball camps when I was in sixth grade! WHY ARE YOU HYPOTHETICALLY DESTROYING ALL MY FAVORITE MEMORIES OF CHILDHOOD WITH YOUR HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIOS!!!!

by The Final Gun on Apr 4, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's what I do best

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by Flakbait on Apr 4, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is how I see it as well

If the complaint is that they need more room then there are better options than expanding to the West and booting the stadium. If the complaint is that it is too much of a hindrance on Saturday’s that is another story entirely.

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Apr 4, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's 6 or 7 Saturdays a year

so that’s not really a big issue.

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by Flakbait on Apr 4, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh, you'd have to go through the Field House, Quad, Slater, and Rienow before you even got to Hillcrest.

Although I have no problem with expanding that way. I never lived there and have no emotional attachment to them (unlike my strong emotional attachment to Kinnick in its present location). Not sure where you could move the dorms, though. Space around campus is certainly at a premium.

Then again, I’m also in favor of razing University Heights and turning it over the UIHC if they want space.

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by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just picked one at random

couldn’t remember the locations.

The dorm locations can be pretty flexible though, look at Mayflower or Student Family Housing. They can buy a couple new Cambuses (Cambi?) and run every 15 minutes. (Not all that cheap, really). Or buy houses over by Burge and knock ’em down. Probably cheaper than building a new stadium.

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by Flakbait on Apr 4, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree with that.
Or buy houses over by Burge and knock ’em down. Probably cheaper than building a new stadium.

TCF Bank cost about $300m for the Gophers, so I imagine Kinnick 2.0 would be in that ballpark (or, likely, more expensive considering costs are likely to go up in the future). I doubt building new dorms would cost quite that much.

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by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine UI eliminating any dorms.

They don’t have enough capacity to house all the incoming students as it is. I knew people that spent the first 2 months of their time on campus in temp housing waiting for drop-outs and transfers so they could have a real dorm room.

Plus Quad is awesome, and Hillcrest is the home of the westside cafeteria.

by The Mexican't on Apr 4, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

They certainly do have a housing issue, so they need more dorms anyway.

But I think Flakbait is probably right that the cost of building new dorms is likely to be less expensive than building a new football stadium. Although it’s easier to get people to donate money for a new stadium than it is for a new dorm…

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by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

But

it’s easier to ask the State Legislature to chip in for a new dorm when it’s part of the expansion of the hospital. And they might even be able to grab some of the Athletic Dept. profit for it if they promise to lay off Kinnick. I think the money could be found.

Also, a brand new, modern dorm is quite the attraction for new students.

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by Flakbait on Apr 4, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also good points.

They badly need new dorms, too. They weren’t that great when I lived there 10 years ago (although parts of Currier were OK, since they’d just been renovated) and I can’t imagine they’re any better now.

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by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

it’s easier to get people to donate money for a new stadium than it is for a new dorm…

There would be a TON of people unwilling to donate for a new stadium given what it would mean for the old stadium. People would get over it, and a lot of the high-minded “not one penny” mentality would eventually fade, but I bet the donor pool would still be pretty lukewarm. Compared to enthusiasm in Minnesota for their very own football stadium, things here would be another thing entirely.

by The Final Gun on Apr 4, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

An excellent counter-point.

Going from Kinnick to Kinnick 2.0 would be a considerably tougher sell than going from the Hump Dump to TCF Bank, even if Kinnick 2.0 was a spitting image of JerryWorld.

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by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

And what about the other end of this (which probably sounds stupid)

and probably doesn’t matter at all, but would people around Iowa potentially avoid UIHC if they became the “Kinnick Stadium Killer” just so they could expand? It sounds dumb because when you’re thinking of a hospital, all that should matter is whether it’s state of the art, good rep for care and services, etc. But, there are a lot of hospitals in the state, and UIHC isn’t even the only one in Iowa City.

Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.

by Give Eddie a Beer on Apr 4, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose that could happen, although it seems kind of crazy to me.

I know I’d be pissed if Kinnick had to move, but still: my health is my health and, having spent considerable time there both as an employee and patient, I have great respect for UIHC and the care they provide. If I lived in the area, I certainly wouldn’t hesitate to go there for most of my medical needs, no matter what role they played in a hypothetical ouster of Kinnick.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mayhaps...

but OTOH, do you know why there’s a giant Gothic tower sticking out of the of middle of the hospital? And that’s just the damn hospital.

by DrinkingDeadFriendsBe on Apr 4, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, because that was the original hospital building.

It has sense been surrounded my research labs and the general hospital portion of the facility.

by PackerHawk on Apr 4, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed, it was the entrance to the old hosiptal

and while the University wanted to tear it down, the alumni made a big stink, and so they basically just built around it. Now the hospital might be bigger dollars, but I’m guessing the alumni reaction to any proposal to modify Kinnick would be several times what it was for some hospital tower.

by DrinkingDeadFriendsBe on Apr 4, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

That drove me nuts for a year

I finally wandered around in the hospital finding it

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Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 4, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

They said that about the Field House, too.

Why hello, Roy Carver!

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by Patrick Vint on Apr 4, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which facilities are we talking about here?

The new practice facilities?

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by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Is it just a practice facility? I thought the offices were moving as well.

by The Mexican't on Apr 4, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, they are, but it's only impacting the hoopyball and wrestling coaches as far as I know.

(Maybe the volleyball coaches, too; not real sure about them.)

My understanding is that the football offices aren’t being impacted (or moved to CHA). I believe the new football practice facility is next on the A.D.’s agenda, though, and if they built that near the current football offices/Kinnick (which is the plan, as far as I know) that would seem to further tie Kinnick to its present location.

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by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

These are from December

Link to Morehouse/Gazette

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by Flakbait on Apr 4, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

The CHA renovations are salted to be done this summer and it sounds like the new football facilities should be (hopefully) starting sometime this year, too.

Looks pretty snazzy in those artists’ renderings.

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by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I was a little confused and thought you meant they were moving as a result of the CHA renovations.

As Flak pointed out, the plan IS for the football offices to move as part of the new practice facility project, but that won’t be for a while.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's probably why they're building a new form on the west side if the river starting this summer

It will be between quad and the ravine. It’s also why the university booked a couple of apartment buildings last fall and will probably be doing so again this fall.

by PackerHawk on Apr 4, 2011 2:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Between Quad and the ravine?

I can’t picture it. Not even with the assistance of Google Maps. Is that north of Quad?

by The Mexican't on Apr 4, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

See that parking lot on the north side of Quad?

It will be gone soon.

Here’s a link to facilities managements info page. Still in the design phase, and this rendering shows it where quad is. There isn’t much info online, but I actually attended the regents’ meeting where they discussed it, and it looks like it will be where the parking lot is.

by PackerHawk on Apr 4, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've always thought they should tear down Quad and rebuild there

A lot of wasted footprint on that dorm.

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by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's definitely not the most efficient use of space.

But the courtyard is really nice, and is a huge benefit to the west-siders that don’t want to venture all the way to Hubbard Park.

by The Mexican't on Apr 4, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

400 beds in a suite style rooms, eh?

I don’t have great recollection of the parking lot size, but that sure does seem bigger than what the space would allow. Unless it’s shaped like a strip mall.

by The Mexican't on Apr 4, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank god

they probably could use 3 times that many rooms though

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Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 4, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Entire first semester here
I knew people that spent the first 2 months of their time on campus in temp housing waiting for drop-outs and transfers so they could have a real dorm room

I got to UI in the heyday of housing problems in 98

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by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's been worse in recent years than it was then.

I lived in the dorms in 2000-2001 and it was an issue then, but it sounds like it’s been really bad lately. Haven’t they set a few records for undergrad enrollment in recent years?

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know there were over 200 of us that waited the entire semester

It may have gotten worse since, but I don’t think that’s the case. I know they’ve built some additional dorm capacity in the meantime (Parklawn and some renovations at Hillcrest and Quad), and are also renting apartments, including the enormous complex by the old Menards (forget the name). We didn’t have those options.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 4, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, it sucked for you guys I'm sure.

But the only way for the university to replace state funds is to set record freshman classes for the next 6 years. The growth in freshman classes has drastically outstripped even the increased capacity projects. Additionally, they have people staying in the dorms longer, which further puts strain on their ability to house freshmen.

Fortunately, they are smart enough now to rent parts of buildings like the Lodge as you mentioned. But even so, they had people in makeshift rooms in Slater and Rienow through fall semester last year IIRC.

by PackerHawk on Apr 4, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

They let me move out of my dorm room

Sophomore year for free in November so they could give the room to another student. That was 2004

Jack Trice Stadium - Easily one of the Top 10 Stadiums in Central Iowa

by Not Marv Cook on Apr 5, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never made that connection between stadium/hospital.

It makes sense, and it’s unfortunate to have two ever-expanding structures located next to each other. I think you’re right—one will have to move and it won’t be the hospital. For all of the name-recognition the football program brings to the system, it represents a small fraction of the operating budget of the entire university and is dwarfed by the annual revenues and expenditures of a major university hospital.

I get a general sense that the decision-makers feel they need to do something to alleviate issues on the campus, but never have the ability to make the tough decision and draw the ire of one group or another. It’s not just this specific issue, it’s across the whole of campus.

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by Cairo on Apr 4, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

In hindsight, the decision to grow the hospital south instead of west 50 or 60 years ago might not have been the right one.

Too late to do anything about it now though. Now that the hospital has reached the physical end of that decision (Melrose) and is moving outpatient facilities off-site it might buy them some time before they look to cross Hawkins. I’m still waiting for them to look back to the Northwest and expand into the small valley between the center for disability studies and the dental building. If they relocated Ramp 1 and included disability studies in a new wing, they could get almost as much room as they would get by demolishing Kinnick.

Also, don’t rule out an attempt to use historic preservation laws to preserve Kinnick if this battle ever heats up.

by PackerHawk on Apr 4, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm.
I’m still waiting for them to look back to the Northwest and expand into the small valley between the center for disability studies and the dental building. If they relocated Ramp 1 and included disability studies in a new wing, they could get almost as much room as they would get by demolishing Kinnick.

Another more practical solution. I remember thinking there was a fair amount of unused (or poorly used) space when I lived over there.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

The new football practice facility is going in where the Rec Building is now, yes?

So there could be some space on what is currently the bubble. Also, the baseball field could be moved much easier than Kinnick so find a little more space.

by SallyMason on Apr 4, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.

The Rec Building will still be around. The parking lots around it will be gone. At least from what I understand..

by coltranemonk on Apr 4, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

They need good parking for patients

They pissed off a lot of doctors in the mid 90’s when they booted them out of the ramps in favor of patients. The next ramp will probably in the Kinnick lot. I’m wondering when they’ll get around to taking down the Cambus office. Since that will mean a new office for the head of parking, I’m sure he won’t mind.

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by Flakbait on Apr 4, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

The University is looking at that specific area.

My office was shortlisted for a project in that area, which soon after died. I honestly don’t know the scope of the project since any work I do in Iowa is in Dubuque, but there are host of reasons (almost all relating to campus politics or money) why something like that would suddenly get pulled.

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by Cairo on Apr 4, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully, East is the answer..

Expanding the hospital across Melrose is not going to happen – the neighborhood wields an inordinate amount of political clout and has successfully blocked plans for expansion in that direction. There was talk of moving North and taking over CDD, but that has fallen through. There were very serious plans of expanding through Hillcrest, but the grade of the land stopped that talk. Up is out of the question because of the approach pattern for the airport. I am hopeful that the off-site will take a significant amount of pressure off the hospital campus itself and that future expansion will go toward the fieldhouse and not across Hawkins. I am also waiting for someone to tear down that abortion that is known as Boyd Tower and open up the original entrance of the hospital and expose that gorgeous gothic tower again..

by coltranemonk on Apr 4, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hospital

I’m pretty sure the Hospital wants all of the west side of Iowa City.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Apr 4, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fixed.

I’m pretty sure the Hospital wants all of the west side of Iowa City.

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by Cairo on Apr 4, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh. They pay my salary

So I won’t get too worked up over it.
Until they want to tear down kinnick, then my foot goes down…

by coltranemonk on Apr 4, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

TAKE THAT MAYO CLINIC!

It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 4, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey!

Who put this hospital bed in my yard!

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Apr 4, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

My inner nerd is going insane

this is awesome, thank you for making my day

by IrishHawkeye7 on Apr 4, 2011 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Good stuff.

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Apr 4, 2011 12:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone else really proud of this?
An article accompanying the USA Today report notes that Iowa is one of seven programs that meets the definition of sustainability, i.e. that it generates enough revenue on its own to cover its expenses (Georgia, Louisiana State, Michigan, Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas are the others).

That is a pretty elite club to be in

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Apr 4, 2011 12:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Absolutely proud.

The program has a ton of loyal donors who have stepped up when asked. I hope that the program doesn’t continue to attempt to grow it’s donor-support at the rates of the last several years.

Fundraising has gotten markedly more aggressive in the last ten years, and the last thing the program wants to do it cause their most loyal donors to think that they are seen as nothing more than cash-cows to be milked more and more every year.

There’s a couple of farmers at my church, both 50-year season ticket holders (one’s older brother was one of the Ironmen). They were both complaining to me Sunday about the sense that the University was squeezing too hard. One was dropping his Athletic Club membership.

Things are at a good, sustainable level right now, and the University should probably try to match inflation for awhile rather than increasing revenue even more while delivering the same product.

by The Final Gun on Apr 4, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

good points plus

it wouldn’t hurt if they stopped training the players so hard that they pee meat

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Apr 4, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Heh,

One of those two guys’ had this to say about the rhabdo thing:

Nile Kinnick wouldn’t have gone to the hospital for brown piss. He would have gotten mad.

I’m still not sure what he meant, exactly.

by The Final Gun on Apr 4, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are so right

I should have said that it wouldn’t hurt if Kirk stopped recruiting pussies that can’t handle a little hard work.

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Apr 4, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ideal fund-raising letter for these guys:

Kids these days are soft and weak. They suck! Give us money to harden them up, old man!

by The Final Gun on Apr 4, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're all worthless and weak

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Apr 4, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and Horace, very nice, and thanks for all your work.

by txhawkeye on Apr 4, 2011 1:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Can someone pull Iowa State's pie charts?

Though they did make a $200K profit, they look like a sad panda:


Courtesy of mtvnimages.com

by Lukateake on Apr 4, 2011 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

That panda doesn't look appropriately sad.

Now this panda…

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 4, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I went for the meme's origin instead.

South Park. Is there anything they haven’t done with aplomb?

by Lukateake on Apr 5, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Iowa State Pie Chart

Now you know why he’s inconsolable.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Apr 4, 2011 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

THAT DAMN AMERICAN PIE KID!!!

I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials

by Swarley on Apr 4, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

With regards to BTN money

my understanding is that Nebraska is not getting a full share for the first 5 years or so. Delaney was pretty blunt that any new member shouldn’t be able to just start sucking on the B1G teet full force when they didn’t help build the brand.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Apr 4, 2011 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

My guess on the reason why there is such a huge difference in expenditures/revenues:

Since Iowa relies so heavily on boosters, that almost necessarily means it’s much more fluid. I don’ t think they’d want to get to spending $85 million for a year or two, have a bad season, then only have $70 million to spend. I like the idea of saving the money, growing the budget slowly, then, if in a couple of years, there is a nice pot built up, use it on building something extraordinary. Or something. Or not. I don’tknow. Why do you ask such tough questions? Leave me alone!

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 4, 2011 3:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone else find it a little too odd that...

Minnesota out fundraised (yep) Nebraska??

"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State

by Hawkaloogie on Apr 4, 2011 5:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Only logical reasoning I can come up with

Population of Nebraska – 1.8 million
Population of Minnesota – 5.2 million

When you have nearly 3 times as many people, it tends to be a little easier to get donations. Also, while their athletics generally suck at nearly ISU levels, they’re one of the top five schools in the country in terms of enrollment (over 50K students) and have been for a long time where Nebraska has roughly 17-20K. That turns into a huge alumni pool to beg from.

Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.

by benvious on Apr 5, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

They've also had reasons to take out their checkbooks in recent years.

Tubby energized the basketball program and TCF Bank got people excited.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 5, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I plan

to completely steal this post for Clone Chronicles soon.

by CrossCyed on Apr 4, 2011 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Sweet

I’ve long wondered just what percentage of ISU’s revenues were made up of Jamie Pollard’s Tears of Inconsolability. How does one monetize that, btw?

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Apr 5, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

They're a big seller in Stormhold


(yes I know how badly this betrays my manhood so shortly after SMA’s ‘Crisis of Manhood’ post – if anybody on this blog knows this movie, that is)

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 5, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think my ex subjected me to this movie. Couldn't tell you what it's called, but I didn't like it.

I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials

by Swarley on Apr 5, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stardust (2007)

Dude, I saw it in the theatre (yes, the Queen’s english!). Someone said it was just like my favorite movie “The Princess Bride” and like a sap I believed them. There is absolutely no comparison between the two.

by Lukateake on Apr 5, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I also saw it in the theater.

Gf at the time was a trailer watcher for a major studio, got to go to any movie free. We went with her kid. I liked the movie. Not nearly as good as “Princess Bride”, but good. Rewatched it last year with my wife, still found it enjoyable. Except for the parts with Robert DeNiro, he’s terrible.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 5, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is a heinous crime that this fantastic post is buried so quickly on the front page.

Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.

by EnergizerHawk on Apr 9, 2011 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

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