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It's Not Plagiarism If You Link To It Cares (But Not In A Creepy Way)

It's Not Plagiarism If You Link To It is BHGP's regular news roundup. Send all tips to any of the email addresses at the bottom of the page. But preferably not all of them at once. We usually end up laughing at people who do that. 

Counting is... not creepy.  Fran took a little time out from shaking hands and kissing babies on the I-Club circuit to talk about recruiting; aside from teasing news about an impending signing (but you already knew that), the most interesting knowledgebomb he dropped was probably how many recruits he's looking to add this spring:

"Honestly, probably not three," said McCaffery, who is entering his second season as Hawkeyes’ coach. "It’s probably more of a function that I don’t think we need three. But again, if the right three presented themselves, we would."

Good news, Jordan Stoermer!  You might be on scholarship next year after all.  (Although we're holding out hope for Branden Stubbs.  BSTUBBS4EVER)  In a way, it makes sense; attrition hasn't ravaged the Iowa team to quite the same extent we'd grown accustomed to seeing and even if he just signs two this spring (or summer), that's still a total of four new faces.  There's also no point in locking up a scholarship for 2-4 years in someone you're not totally sold on; unlike football, you really can't afford to whiff on a basketball scholly.

Meanwhile, one of Iowa's top targets, Anthony Hubbard, is apparently down to two schools -- Iowa and Nebraska -- and will be announcing his decision this weekend.  Hubbard would probably be the closest thing to a home run Iowa could hit during this recruiting period -- he averaged 21 points and 11 rebounds last year -- and could add a much-needed scoring punch.  I suppose you could say that Fran feeling good about having new recruit news to talk about soon plus Hubbard annoucing his decision this weekend equals Hubbard to Iowa; we did the math and came up with 2+2=97, but that's Sioux City math for you.  Either way, we'll know more soon.

And while caring about the decisions of high school juniors and seniors (and JUCO kids) is creepy enough, caring about high school sophomores swapping schools is probably even creepier; nevertheless, we couldn't pass up this news about Roy Marble's kid transferring to West Des Moines Valley.  Mostly because his name is Merrick Mackdanz-Marble.  The Mack Danzy!  Jeff Horner is currently a coach at Valley; maybe he can help steer Marble to Iowa if he turns out to be a good player.

Star-divide

GRAPPLE GRAPPLE GRAPPLE.  As we said, the I-Club circuit is in full swing, and while Team Ferentz hits half the stops, Team Fran is hitting the other half of the stops.  Team Fran also includes Tom Brands (and Norm Parker, making it for sure the team we'd want to see) and after only a year Fran is clearly already smitten:

Brands_tweet_medium

BRING IT, MARS.  YOUR INTERPLANETARY CHAMPIONS ARE OUR CHAR-GRILLED SPACE-MEAT. 

We eagerly await next year's dual on Mars.  Try and top that, Cael.

Anyway, in other wrestling news, caring is creepy isn't just for hoopyball -- it's for wrestling, too, and Iowa just added a new commit to this year's class, Brody Grothus from Davenport Assumption.  Grothus went 52-0 as a senior and won the 145-lb. state title in 2A, but wasn't ranked by any of the recruiting services because he didn't wrestle much outside the high school season (he's also a good baseball player).  He projects as a 149/157 guy, which is a pretty cluttered weight at Iowa.  Derek St. John, Dylan Carew, Mark Ballweg, Jake Ballweg, Nick Moore, and Mike Kelly are already at those weights (though some of them can and probably will move to other weights), so Grothus will have his work cut out for him.  He's an intriguing prospect, though, because he sounds like a late bloomer and a guy who hasn't really focused extensively on wrestling in high school (he played baseball in the summers), which means he could have a lot of room to improve.  If nothing else, he's already got a great name for wrestling.

And in wrestling news only tangentially related to Iowa, two-time national champion Mark Perry is coming back to the Big Ten to be associate head coach at Illinois after spending the past two years at Cal Poly.  Within five years, I'm betting Perry will be a head coach somewhere -- quite possibly at a Big Ten school.  The toughest conference in the country's only gonna get tougher.  Finally, Iowa City's hosting the U.S. Olympic Trials next April (April 21-22, 2012) -- now there's a website you can hit up for more info about that event.

Hardball, softball.  The Iowa baseball team (14-20) picked up a much needed win over Western Illinois on Wednesday, blasting the Leathernecks, 14-8.  It was a much-needed offensive explosion after scoring just three runs in three games against Indiana last weekend, though hopefully they saved a few runs for this weekend's homestand with Michigan.  Five different Iowa players recorded multi-hit games, led by Kasey Carling, who went 3/5 and scored three runs.  Meanwhile, the Iowa softballers also had some mid-week success, downing Iowa State, 4-3 behind a 3-run home run by Jenny Schuelke.  The win gave Iowa a clean sweep against Iowa State in bats-and-balls sports, since Iowa State baseball forfeited for the tenth straight year. 

GROUND RULE DOUBLEZ

* It's not as delicious as the rumor about him going to Iowa State, but Anthony Tucker is apparently interested in going to Minnesota now.  Apparently he wants to be linked with every Iowa rival within a few hundred miles.

* FRY Fest is honoring Dan Gable this fall and "going country" this fall; one of those two things is awesome and if you can't guess which one, I hate you.

* If you weren't watching the live Coachella webcast on YouTube last weekend, you missed out on some killer performances; luckily, you can catch a few of them here anyway.

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Honoring Gable

and the Highlanders, Awesome.

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Apr 22, 2011 12:09 PM CDT reply actions  

As a person who was born in 1981,

I have no memory of the Highlanders, and haven’t even really heard about them until this year.

But thanks, U of I, for eliminating their funding, and then celebrating them 30 years later. WTF?

http://www.frontiernet.net/~mkisa/Remembering_the_University_of_Iowa_Scottish_Highlanders/Home.html

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Highlanders

were still around when I was in school in the late 90’s/early 00’s. They just marched in parades and things, not at the football game.

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Apr 22, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

"the University of Iowa Scottish Highlanders became the largest all female bagpipe band in the world."

I’m getting kind of horny here…..

It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.

by FiveSecondRuleChef on Apr 22, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um..

Can we get this restarted?

by EPIC IOWA on Apr 22, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

just because they are wearing skirts

doesn’t mean they are females

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Apr 22, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Franimal>Lick

My respect for him just keeps growing exponentially seeing stuff like that. / Chest Bump’d

"And after it was all over, he took us in the house and served us pancakes... pancakes." - Charlie Murphy

by Podolak Pimpin' on Apr 22, 2011 12:10 PM CDT reply actions  

How can you not love Brands?

I mean honestly… Look at him! It would take a total douche to not like him

/Looks over Cael’s way

Yeah, a total douche!

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Apr 22, 2011 12:16 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

If Cael is a douche

then Penn State must be a hygienically questionable feminine area. What does that make Rambler. I am confused.

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Apr 22, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rambler, as always, is the gynocologist.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crabs?

Now you ain't gonna come up here and steal Pepper Jack's best ho.

by ninerhawk on Apr 22, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

It makes me a national champion.

That’s what it makes me. Yeah. I even have the shirt.

"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs

by ReadingRambler on Apr 22, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

So awesome that Fry Fest is 'going country'!

Thank you RossWB for the heads up!

"GO HAWKS!" - only cure for Hawkeye Envy

by BentNotBroken on Apr 22, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Word is that Fran will bring in only two recruits this spring

unless he gets a third, then he will bring in three. The critical point here is that it will be two recruits if it is not three or one. So we can say with certainty that it will be two or three or maybe one.

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Apr 22, 2011 12:59 PM CDT reply actions  

What about four?

"There are no Pan Asian supermarkets down in hell, so you can't buy Golden Boy peanuts." - The Mountain Goats

by cafreema on Apr 22, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

four is right out

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 1:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

1, 2, 5!

"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"

by IPeeBlackAndGold on Apr 22, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you

It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 22, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Somebody would have gotten there.

It appears IPeeBlackAndGold would have done same if I hadn’t gotten there first.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone had better have gotten there.

I set it up on a tee!

"There are no Pan Asian supermarkets down in hell, so you can't buy Golden Boy peanuts." - The Mountain Goats

by cafreema on Apr 22, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

B Motherfucking Stubbs absolutely deserves a schooly and starting spot

Sadly, I don’t think any of the walk-ons are going to get one. The more likely scenario is that we bank it and use it next year, when Fran will have had more time to develop relationships with recruits and Iowa has a very good in-state crop.

by NorseHawk on Apr 22, 2011 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

If it's not being used by a regular scholarship guy, though, it might as well go to a walk-on for a year.

It doesn’t preclude them from signing a scholarship guy next year.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 22, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

You mean, for a senior to be walk-on, right?

I wouldn’t like it any other way.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 22, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why does it matter if it's a senior not?

I’m sure whoever gets it will have a clear understanding that it’s a one-year deal.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 22, 2011 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno. That just seems really shitty. We'll pay for your education and everything for one year, but then it's off.

If they have a senior walk-on, besides, it would seem like a little bit of a slap in the face. I’d rather just reward the guy who’s spent three (or four) years in the system, then there’s no issues. It’s not a big deal, I guess.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 23, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think a Kumite to determine which walk-on wins the scholarship would be awesome.

But that’s just me.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Apr 23, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

You think most kids would rather pay their own way for four years rather than get one year gratis?

I don’t.

I think it’s shitty if you yank a guy’s scholarship and he has no expectation that that could happen to him; if a guy goes into the situation with clear eyes and understands it’s a one-year deal, I certainly don’t think he’s getting screwed over.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 24, 2011 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather give it to the senior who's leaving than to the sophomore and then have to pull it.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 24, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather give it to the guy that deserves it most

Even if for one year. Loans is loans, whether sophomore or senior.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 24, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I don't know what theseguys' situations are.

One of the reasons I was offered a walk-on spot was because I could get a lot of money for academics. For some reason, I thought it was the same, but I guess not.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 24, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that's what happens, I wouldn't be surprised if it were Stokes

I mean, Fran specifically redshirted a walk-on. That tells me he sees something.

by rupertj on Apr 22, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

all your red planet are belong to us.

New T-shirt?

"You're going to go out there with a dick full of confidence. Then, you're going to go out there and shoot that confidence all over the stadium." -Blue Mountain State

by Hawkaloogie on Apr 22, 2011 1:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Two years ago Ironside made a t-shirt that the wrestlers wore using a Brands quote about inter-galactic planetary

domination.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Apr 22, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't stop myself

When do we wrestle Uranus?

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Apr 22, 2011 2:17 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Ewwww

Now you ain't gonna come up here and steal Pepper Jack's best ho.

by ninerhawk on Apr 22, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon man, enough with the sophomoric humor.

Get your head out of your butt.

/How do I turn on that sarcasm font again?

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I always read you with the sarcasm font ON.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's probably the best way to do it.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd um?

Damn near killed ’um!

by rupertj on Apr 22, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yep. Rec'd.

Um.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 23, 2011 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Beautiful

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Apr 22, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about you

but I wrestle mine after every time I eat at Buffalo Wild Wings

Ok, but on the way we've gotta stop by a toy store and at least get him a stuffed animal, something. It's like...meowschwitz in there. -Sterling Archer

by The Nihilist on Apr 22, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of people would agree, about HuHot.

Personally, I enjoy HuHot.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least HuHut is tasty going down. BWW is not.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

BW3's has some really, really, really shitty food.

I honestly have no idea how it’s so popular. I guess it just shows that Americans love style over substance.

/took it that far.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 22, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't eaten there since

my friend had a bolt in his sandwich. We halfway made a scene and they said that it was pre-made so it was nothing they did at the restaurant. At least we got some free beer out of it.

by Hank Thrasher on Apr 22, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me guess,

it gets the “escape”.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 22, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And McCann't with the winner

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Apr 22, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

The "Tech Fall" if you will

Ok, but on the way we've gotta stop by a toy store and at least get him a stuffed animal, something. It's like...meowschwitz in there. -Sterling Archer

by The Nihilist on Apr 22, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

What did McCann do afterschool atIowa. Did he go to Creighton Law?

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 22, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, um

THIS is pretty entertaining. Video of coahes v seniors softball game. Coaches won 4-3.

by HawkgirlSTL on Apr 22, 2011 3:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Doyle: Hit 'em where they are. Then they ain't.

"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."

by SomeJerkPoster on Apr 22, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I love it.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Apr 22, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the guy is 24 years old and has been to prison and is coming from a JUCO...

…it’s probably not that creepy anymore, right?

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 22, 2011 4:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure it's creepy for entirely new reasons then.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 22, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm excited about the class McCaffrey is recruiting for next year.

As it’s been said in recruiting Cesar and Washpun, starting early with some of these guys is really important. Meyer is already a good get, and Gesell and Woodbury would really be nice. Plus, if they stick to just four guys this Spring, they’ll have 5 scholarships for next year (I think). That amount alone would put them on a map for Top Recruiting classes. But even that’s just a big “if”.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 22, 2011 5:40 PM CDT reply actions  

5, yeah

Gatens, Cartwright, Archie, and Brommer would all be leaving, and we’d have the extra one from this year. They’ve got one filled with Meyer, I think they’re in great shape with Gessell and Woodbury (Woodbury is basically a lock from what I can tell, and I think Gessell is getting there, especially since he’ll have now have a chance to be a four year starter at pont), and they’d have two more to play around with.

by NorseHawk on Apr 22, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's all over the Twittersphere, kids.

Hubbard to Iowa!

"They're not people, James Ingram. They're Jimmy Buffett fans."

by SomeJerkPoster on Apr 23, 2011 12:07 PM CDT reply actions  

sweet

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 23, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

so three scoring wings in this class?

Shooters and scorers. 6’5", 6’6" and 6’8", right? That’s some size.

It seems like they’re waiting on this new guy Percy Gibson, Eric Katenda or Gabe Olaseni. If one of them picks the Hawkeyes, great. If not, no problems. They do need a PG, but from what we’ve all read, it seems as if Hubbard and Marble could handle the duties for 10-15 mpg total. And if it gets them someone like Gesell as a lure with a 4-year starting spot, that’s cool. W/ Meyer already in the mix, if they can get Woodbury, that’s some legitimate size. One more big man this year or next would be really incredible.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 23, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

The thing I like about this guy is that he's, what, 26.

There is a humongous difference between a 19, 20, 21 year old kid and one who is 26. Physically and mentally. Plus, in reading quotes from Hubbard he seems to be at an even higher level maturity-wise than many 26 year old basketball players who haven’t been faced with the circumstances that he has.

I’m excited about this guy.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Apr 23, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read somewhere (some idiot comments on some idiot blog - or maybe Pat Harty?)

that a person was concerned about him being a one-and-done because of his age. I thought, while understandable on the face of it, it’s really not that big of a problem

1) he’s 26 from the east coast and choosing between Iowa and Nebraska – as good as we want him to be, he’s obviously not highly regarded
2) if he really wanted to just make money, he would’ve gone to Europe or Russia or Turkey/Israel instead of going to college
3) even if he does, who cares? if he’s played well enough to go pro after next year, then he’s exceeded all expectations. Plus, Oglesby will be a year older, as will Marble and McCabe and White, all guys able to play outside. Plus, they’ll have another scholarship for next year (so either 5 or 6) and there will certainly be other JUCO SGs out there available if that’s what they wanted to do.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 23, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think he's going to set the world on fire.

I read some comments from his coach somewhere that he’s very unrefined. His coach did say that once given time in a D1 program he’ll turn into a very good player, but at this point he sounds to be a work-in-progress on the basketball court. When we’re talking about a JC transfer, that’s not the best news in the world but there are factors (like those I mentioned above) that make him a very intriguing prospect.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Apr 23, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, agreed.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 23, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

He sounds very raw

According to Dochterman’s article on him today, he didn’t even play HS ball.

by brock_tune on Apr 23, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

His JC coach, Dave Miller said

that Hubbard is the most talent kid he has coached in 42 years as a head coach and the most highly recruited.If not for his past, he would have had many many more offers.

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Apr 23, 2011 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus his is a JC All American

which Cartright never was. I can’t imagine the young man is that raw.

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Apr 24, 2011 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

he could be raw when it comes to playing as a team

and running plays, but i doubt he hasnt played basketball before.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Apr 24, 2011 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like he played ball at the school of hard knocks

Don’t forget to tip your waitresses, folks.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 24, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Hubbard is a little shorter than that, but close

Oglesby is supposedly a legit 6’5" though, and White is listed at 6’8" White also isn’t necessarily a pure wing, I imagine we’re going to have him playing a lot as a face up 4. I do think we still desperately need another pure big guy, but otherwise I’m fine with the class.

by NorseHawk on Apr 23, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I guess about White. I consider face-up 4's in college generally as "wings".

Does he have any sort of a post-up game? I know he gets mad rebounds and blocks, but it seems like he has the athleticism to play the 3. Not to compare him to (a should-be All-Star) Luol Deng, but he played PF in college at Duke and has been exclusively a wing in Chicago, even when he’s played PF. I think in terms more of a role than as a position, I guess.

So, I’m thinking:
Cartwright – Hubbard – Marble
Hubbard – Marble – Oglesby
Gatens – Marble – McCabe
Basabe – White
Brommer – Archie

I’d probably be happy if they landed Olaseni because he’s a true C defensive presence from what I’ve read. He’s probably not as good as Katenda, but losing Brommer and Archie next year is going to be tough. I’d love to watch Olaseni (6’10"), Woodbury (6’11"), Basabe (6’8"), Meyer (6’10") and White (6’8") for two years. That’s some serious height to go along with all those wings. Granted, they only have three of those guys definitively in the plans, but it’s still possible.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 23, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love to dream.

The following year, it would be sweet to have:

Gesell – JUCO PG
Hubbard – Oglesby
Marble – McCabe
Basabe – White – Meyer
Olaseni – Woodbury

That’s some serious depth and skill w/ only 1 senior. Obviously, McCaffrey has a lot of work to do land Olaseni, Woodbury and Gesell (I’m guessing Olaseni isn’t even really on the radar anymore, which is a bummer), but everything else looks good.

(And I get that Marble isn’t a true SF, and that McCabe or Basabe – or White at PF moving Basabe by need – could beat him out at SF, but I have a soft spot for the guy)

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 23, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Basabe's not going to be a SF ever

He’s like the one guy on the team who can score from the block right and I imagine that will just improve. Marble is perfectly fine at SF.

I also don’t get McCabe over May. May seemed to lose confidence in his shot at the end of the year, but he was still a better player than McCabe (especially on defense, where he was probably out best wing) and has way more potential athletically. He shot pretty well too, he just seemed scared to shoot for whatever reason. If he gets healthy and can regain his confidence, he can be a good player again.

by NorseHawk on Apr 23, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, totally forgot about him. Too many wings!

As for Basabe, I think it comes down to a) how much he grows and b) how much he wants to be a pro prospect. he is way too small to ever play PF in the pros, even in Europe. I know Fran talked about wanting him to get a better perimeter game, and I agree. He’s got the athleticism and potential to play defense on the wing, which is usually the biggest concern.

I also believe there’s too much emphasis put on position for offense. After all, you dictate where people go. I mean, I’m not going to say it IS going to happen, I’m just not as definitive about the situation as you are, I guess.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 23, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are never too many wings.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Apr 23, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

So yeah, throw May up there wherever you want.

sorry i missed him.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Apr 23, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Marble will be our SG for awhile.

Especially after Gatens graduates.

I don’t see Oglesby or Hubbard keeping him from starting. I hope, but am not exactly certain of, May improving a lot and forcing Gatens and Marble to share only the SG minutes.

Sure, Marble will play some PG this year.

There will be two ways to go with him: have him really try to improve his medium to long-range shooting and plan for him to be the main man at SG for 2013 and 2014. Or, you could have him add some muscle, and have him keep working on rebounding, and plan on him being the main guy at SF for that time.

His rebounding numbers this past year were 2.4 per game, and 3.3 when he started, but I’d argue we’d still like to have better than that from a full-time starting SF (and we probably would, but who knows?)

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by WaterlooChazz on Apr 23, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going on record saying that the Coachella Livecast

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by Boschee4three on Apr 24, 2011 8:14 PM CDT reply actions  

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