Hell Hath No Fury Like a Ferentz Scorned
As reported by our friends at Fight for Iowa last night, Iowa football's award-winning video coordinator Matt Engelbert posted a 2010 highlight video made by the program. It's largely your standard highlight film fare; quick cuts, Bob Davie quotes, songs that include the word "magic" over and over again. It's well done, as expected from both Mr. Engelbert and the football program's PR wing.
While 2010 was a disappointment, there were still some highlights. Tyler Sash's interception and lateral to Micah Hyde for a touchdown against Michigan State makes the cut here, as does Hyde's second meandering interception return against Missouri. Christian Ballard's goalline stop of Rob Bolden is in the video. So is Marvin McNutt's long touchdown catch against Iowa State. The video, though, is more notable for its omissions:
Adam Robinson's tackle-breaking 39-yard touchdown run against Iowa State? Nope.
Derrell Johnson-Koulianos' 37-yard touchdown reception at Arizona? Not here, just like Jewel Hampton's catch for a score.
DJK's bomb catch against Ball State? Didn't make the cut.
Any of Robinson or Johnson-Koulianos' five combined touchdowns against Michigan, the only scores in that 10-point win? Might as well never have happened.
Gone are Robinson's touchdown catch against Michigan State and DJK's 70-yard scoring reception at Northwestern. Johnson-Koulianos' efforts against Minnesota, where his 88-yard kick return kept Iowa in the game as the rest of his teammates stared disinterested from the sideline, are nowhere to be found. In fact, not one run by Iowa's leading rusher or one reception by its leading receiver are shown. If you missed the season and had only the official highlight video to work from, you'd think Marvin McNutt and Marcus Coker were awesome.
Of course, the reason why Robinson and Johnson-Koulianos aren't featured (and why some players who wanted nothing to do with this season once the Big Ten title race was decided and the weather turned cold get top billing) is that both were eventually dismissed from the team. And while I don't know Engelbert and have no insight into his editorial control of the project, it's hard to believe someone compiling a highlight video would unilaterally decide to omit a team's top 2 (or 2 of top 3) offensive players. This fiat clearly came from upon high. No A-Rob. No DJK. Ferentz said so.
We've discussed the Robinson and Johnson-Koulianos suspensions ad nauseam. Suffice it to say, while I might not agree with the decision to dismiss two players for non-violent misdemeanors involving marijuana while handing out one-game suspensions for misdemeanors involving alcohol and vehicles or property damage, it's not my program and Ferentz gets to do what he wants. But cutting guys like Robinson, who stepped in last year as the backfield crumbled and sustained multiple concussions, and Johnson-Koulianos, who was the only guy on the field who game a damn as you lost to a pathetic Minnesota team, from the history books feels petty and vindictive for pettiness and vindictiveness' own sake. You've got your way: DJK had to schedule his pro day off campus and Adam Robinson has (at least publicly) groveled. The purge worked. There's no reason to go all Stalin.
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Couldn't agree more.
What a dick move. Grow up, Kirk.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 8:16 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Ditto that.
Ferentz really seems to be sending ARob and DJK on the Alex Karras road out of Iowa City, which is extremely disappointing.
by The Mexican't on Apr 21, 2011 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't cut Ferentz off in traffic or he might murder your family, friends and anyone who owes you money.
by HawkeyeRecon on Apr 21, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Vint already called him a Woman in the title of the post
If he cuts him off in traffic it’s no longer a “might” situation, it’s a “will”
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Fuck You Republicans
Oh…Sorry wrong thread.
Sincerely
Professor Ellen Lewin
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
by Kluginator on Apr 21, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's okay Kluginator...
You were having a bad day.
Ma'am, you're dealing here with a fully qualified male strumpet. I service the entire Quad Cities area: Moline, Rock Island, Davenport and Bettendorf. Why don't you give it a whirl? What have you got to lose? - Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute
by tigerhawk00 on Apr 21, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel like I'm missing out on a good joke here.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at the front page of the Daily Iowan.
A prof at Iowa sounded off, with a fuck you, in response to an offensive mass-e-mail that a student republican group sent out. [They’re, among other things, holding a Animal Rights BBQ. Yeah.]
(I don’t care about their politics, but Animal Rights + grilled animals = trying to be offensive.)
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Much thanks.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
You have the right to remain tasty
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Apr 21, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
'Animal Rights + grilled animals = trying to be offensive'
C’mon, Eyeore – it’s called having a sense of humor, and enjoying earth’s bounty by diggin’ in.
Some folks just look for things to be offended by.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Apr 22, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Gonna have to side with Eyeheart on this one, champ.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
C'mon though, it is funny.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
I think we're all laughing at the people putting it on
Thing is, I bet they’re being serious. +1 chitown, +1.
So what if I tailgate to the NPR jazz station?
While I'm disappointed...
these videos are commercials for future prospects. No company is going to remind it’s future employees/customers of its past failings, and when these two had their VERY PUBLIC dismissals it was definitely a failing of the program in many ways.
I understand that they don’t want a RB prospect in a year or two to say “That was an awesome highlight! Whatever happened to that guy?” (If they aren’t already aware) Because then the coaching staff would have to say “Well, he acted his age and smoked a little reefer” and the recruit would say “Whelp, been nice talking to ya, but I’m a kid and have tried the devil weed. I’m going to Florida State where pot is looked at with perspective.”
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Regardless of whether or not we think weed is bad,
it is ILLEGAL. If I was a college coach of any sport, I would never encourage illegal activities within my team whether I agreed with them or not. It’s Ferentz’s ass on the line if these guys get caught (ala DJK and ARob), and he can’t hardly give them a pass for something that is against the law. He didn’t make the laws, and he’s not the devil for trying to make sure his players follow them. Maybe his actions were a little harsh and a different form of punishment would have sufficed, but I’m sick of hearing people act like he’s a square for not giving his players a pass to smoke the reefer whenever they want.
I agree with your point about these videos being for recruiting and that it could cause some problems down the road, however.
by HawkAtHeart on Apr 21, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I have not read a single post on here advocating that KF should give these guys a pass on
the drug charges. He should just refrain from making this crap personal.
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Indeed
Plus, all of the other things that players do to get in trouble with the law are also illegal, hence why they received a ticket or got arrested (public intox, underage drinking, assault, etc). So there are definitely curves applied to the severity of the crime. Mr. Captain America himself was cited for underage drinking at one point (as well as a large percentage of students).
by HawkgirlSTL on Apr 21, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
I wasn’t giving anyone a pass (I have a hard enough time defending my own actions, let alone those of a college kid who I don’t know), but when someone who ILLEGALLY drank underage, then resisted arrest by fleeing the police partially naked when they find him urinating in an ally, and doesn’t face the same punishment as someone who took a toke, well I’d say there’s something slightly hypocritical about that.
Just saying.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
There's been a lot of illegal activities that have occurred on Ferentz's watch, incl. those by his own son.
I’m not sure his “ass is [really] on the line” so much as you think
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Lets talk about James for a moment.
James has two underage drinking citations to my recollection. I believe the second one even involved him yelling belligerently in a parking ramp in front of a cop. These two guys have one charge each for possession in their careers (albeit marijuana is illegal completely and alcohol only kind of) and they are treated like the have the plague. I feel that if it wouldn’t have been for the drug house situation in which DJK found himself we would have these strong disparities in treatment.
I agree with you, but...
to be fair, about half of the video is highlights from the bowl game and it’s DJK and Robinson’s own fault that they aren’t in those highlights.
The word is Fight, Fight, Fight for Iowa
True
However, my guess is a December bowl win wouldn’t get half the video (in a year where they beat a top 10 team by 31 and annihilated Iowa State) if they were allowed to use highlights from those two guys.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Apr 21, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Although their dismissal from the team is their fault.
Excluding the highlights mentioned by Patrick is laughable. DJK’s bomb against jNW is about the only memorable moment from that game. ARob’s run against ISU left fans with jaws hanging. It’s stupid to ignore big-time plays just because the players got caught getting high later in the year.
by The Mexican't on Apr 21, 2011 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
It is also highly unlikely that some one watching the video is going to say to themselves, “Why are they showing A-Rob, this reflects poorly on the program!!!” They are going to say, “Damned that was awesome.”
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
Nah, its fair
End of the day, they did what they did and have to live with the consequences. you know how they get on that highlight? by not doing drugs.
I may be upset if Robinson does everything asked of him and isnt reinstated at some point, but i think this highlight is fair.
by justsomehawkeyefan on Apr 21, 2011 8:19 AM CDT reply actions
Who does this punish though?
This is akin to a Pharaoh scratching out the name of his predecessor on all public buildings. You can’t just erase evidence that these guys were ever on the team. I don’t think a highlight video hurts either of these guys too much, but it is an insult to the intelligence of the fan base.
If Kirk wants to erase the memory of DJK and Robinson from the Iowa fan consciousness then maybe he should consider giving back some of his bowl bonus money. Afterall, without DJK or Arob I don’t think we make the Orange Bowl or the Insight Bowl.
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The Pharaoh analogy is the first thing I thought of, too (with Yul Brenner as Pharaoh, of course).
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
So you're saying that DJK and ARob just need to place some lamb's blood above their doors and they'll be welcomed back?
by The Mexican't on Apr 21, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
And there were some (bitter?) herbs involved…
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
And I know Robinson asked himself "why is tonight different from all other nights?"
America, you're looking good: handsome, free and tall.
by Close Shave America on Apr 21, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that there are enough Jewish Iowans for people to really get this post, but I like it.
by The Final Gun on Apr 21, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Or Cecil B. DeMille fans, as the case may be.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a Jewish Iowan, and I got it
You know, Jews are not exactly the Freemasons when it comes to keeping their rituals a secret from outsiders. There are books and everything.
by rosalita on Apr 21, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Since when has availability of information
kept people from being ignorant?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Apr 22, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I had this great idea that for Passover
we should smear blood above the doorway to our store as a festive decoration. My manager didn’t share my enthusiasm for the seasonal decor.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Apr 22, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Make sure you slather it on so thick,
that it drips onto each customer that enters. Super-festive.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Put the dismissed players in a sarcophagus
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Apr 21, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
And Stephen Malkmus singing his praises.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Apr 22, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I could totally see it going down like this:
Kirk: Though shalt purge all of the unholy higlights of they-who-shall-not-be-named.
Engelbert: Really? You want me to exclude all of the A-Rob and DJK highlights? We won’t have much left.
Kirk: So let it be written. So let it be done.
by DrHenryKillinger on Apr 21, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I call bullshit!
It’s etched in stone
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
So somebody pulled "a pharoah" on the bubble screen?
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It was actually refered to as The Ra Screen in team meetings.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Recently exhumed from the Valley of Kings

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
by Kluginator on Apr 21, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 13 recs
Anubis reminds me of Wizgerald
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Apr 21, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
MAN!
They smoked giant joints back in the day (love the ARob expression).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that what people are referring to when they say something is as big as a baby's arm?
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
West Nile sensimilla has a low THC count
High thread count, but just doesn’t smoke well.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Apr 21, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
No joke, Kluginator.
This is the best photoshop I’ve ever seen on this site. Seriously, it’s just fucking masterful
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Apr 22, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
But that's what Pharaohs and football coaches do
It may not be nice, but it isn’t new.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Apr 21, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
If Kirk wants to erase the memory of DJK and Robinson from the Iowa fan consciousness then maybe he should consider giving back some of his bowl bonus money.
I know I called you the jedi-master of batshit insanity yesterday, but this idea is just plain insane. In the membrane.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it a semi-permeable membrane?
I am just having a harder time viewing college athletics as doing anything for the good of the athletes.
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by Lycurgus on Apr 21, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
College FB is strictly for the benefit of the bottom lines of the Universities and, more importantly, the NFL
But I still can’t turn away. Maybe some day it will become too much. Now? I still love my Hawks.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I realize that
but then I want people to stop trying to convince that such and such a coach is really a good guy. He is a good guy as long as you don’t ask tough questions, enjoy talking to media types, get too confident in your own abilities or those of your team, or get into trouble. Because if you do, then you will be measured against the bottom line and you will lose.
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But seriously,
do you want to see NCAA football go XFL (only with much better quality)?
I don’t need my Hawks to look like the “greatness of the Raiduz.”
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Discipline, media coverage style,
fostering on-field shit-talking and things to boost “excitement” that are just dumb.
Just a lot of hype that actually makes the product worse.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh, I think you can give a good interview without being a jerk.
I think you can be respectful and still have confidence in yourself. This ah shucks, we don’t deserve to be on the field with Ohio State crap is more galling to me than anything I have ever heard quoted from DJK.
By all means, enforce rules and punish rule breakers, but don’t hold grudges.
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If nothing else, this seem to me to show the Belichick background
The message, for good or bad, is that we control the message.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Apr 21, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but do you see who is in every one of those offensive highlights?
Riley Rieff. Someone who was caught drinking underage and who fled the police. Not kicked off the team and in highlight videos.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
On a side note, every time i see that lateral from Sash to Hyde
i think “Man that was a great play, never ever do that again”
by justsomehawkeyefan on Apr 21, 2011 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Lou Brown'd
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Apr 21, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
This kind of stuff just pisses me off
It’s Kirk’s program, sure, but this is really just a dick move. The top receiver this year as well as in the history of Iowa football (records-wise) makes 3 TD catches at Michigan to set the all-time receiving record at Iowa and none of that gets included in the highlight video?! That was one of the top moments from the entire year. This is just bullshit.
McNutt was the top receiver
But yeah, DJK had some highlight-worthy moments.
The word is Fight, Fight, Fight for Iowa
by fightforiowa on Apr 21, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's a thought
If Kirk is REALLY vindictive, then he’ll go all bonkers throwing the ball to McNutt this year so he can break DJK’s records and he can erase his name from the record books. Definitely not right, but it sure would be fun to watch MCNUTT BEASTMODE
Ok, but on the way we've gotta stop by a toy store and at least get him a stuffed animal, something. It's like...meowschwitz in there. -Sterling Archer
by The Nihilist on Apr 21, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Although that would be awesome to just see McNutt tearing it up
I think this whole thing is more bullshit from a fan’s perspective. There were a lot of great plays and moments from this season, and to exclude some of the biggest and awesomest ones is just a huge letdown when you’re all set to an official highlight video.
by HawkgirlSTL on Apr 21, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
McNutt doesn't need to go "bonkers", per se, to set some pretty big time records.
He needs ~1100 yards and 6 TDs (?) to become the all-time yardage and TD king. Last year he had 861 yards and 8 TDs in just 53 catches. Considering he’s likely to get 70-80 catches this year, 1100 yards may be within reach. If he goes for the same average of 16.25 ypc, he’ll need just 68 catches to get to 1100 yards.
by The Mexican't on Apr 21, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I would like to see them get out of the Big Ten's offensive basement
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Eh, maybe I should have said bottom half
I meant, just that it will be good if a couple of guys have nice seasons and the receiving yards are plentiful.
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Apparently the Big Ten has a basement full of like, racist jokes and Christ porn?
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that stuff offensive? If so, need to quickly make changes to my Easter decorations.
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by Lycurgus on Apr 21, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
He is risen indeed...
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Apr 22, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I didn't do enough research, I guess.
68 & 1100 didn’t seem too far out of the realm of possibility when I thought about it.
With 13 games, that’s an average of, what, 6 catches & 85 yards per game? Still seems reasonable for a WR1.
by The Mexican't on Apr 21, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't really throw very often
And when we do it tends to feature a lot of short passes to the TEs and FBs. DJK never even had an 800 yard season.
But McNutt is coming off a near 900-yard season.
I have now realized that McNutt setting the yardage record is unlikely. I will be highly disappointed if he does not get the TD record, however.
(I still hope he threatens the yardage record)
by The Mexican't on Apr 21, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
With the o-line Iowa will have and some of the rb talent (hopefully healthy)
maybe they focus even more on the run? I don’t know. The first year qb may or may not help McNutt.
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Yeah definitely
I do agree that he’ll probably set the TD record though. They’ve always been pretty good about using him the redzone.
1100 yards is crazy.
68 receptions is not, nor is 6 TD.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That was my initial thought.
I know the goal for most NFL receivers is 100 catches or 1000 yards, and 1100 in 4 fewer games does seem slightly bananas. I’d only considered the idea because he had 861 yards last season.
Also, maybe Iowa gets to play 14 games this season. That’s just 79 yards per game.
by The Mexican't on Apr 21, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
1100 might be possible in a offense that passed the ball 50-60 times.
That is also not Iowa’s offense, though.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
With a QB in his first full year, 1100 yards seems a stretch
That would also break the single season Iowa receiving record, I believe
By quite a bit, I think.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I can be McNutt Haters
I would rather be a McNutt Hugger.
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
Hey Overlords, do you feel like getting another cease and desist letter?
If you sell them cheap enough we could get the entire student section to wear McNuttHuggers to a game.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 22, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
This made me laugh far too hard.
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Apr 25, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I seriously doubt Feretnz gives a shit what goes into the dumb highlight video or is all the involved. It was probably just the video dude trying to avoid the awkwardness of a video heavily featuring two guys who were involved in high profile arrests and thrown off the team. But by all means lets all get pissed off at Kirk because he hypothetically might have done it.
by NorseHawk on Apr 21, 2011 8:40 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And for the record
I totally agree that Robinson shouldn’t have been thrown off the team and that DJK’s exile from all team related events like pro day or even getting to wear an Iowa helmet at his all star game (even after his charges were reduced to one pot possession charge) was way excessive. I just don’t think what goes in some goofy video is worth getting upset about, nor do I think you’re even directing your anger in the right place.
It's the off season.
Ferentz is a micro-manager, so it’s at least plausable that this was either his call directly or Engelbert knows what he should/shouldn’t include (everyone knows what their boss will go for, and what they won’t tolerate).
Obviously none of us know, but seriously it’s not out of the question, and it’s something for all of us to argue about.
That, or we can talk about jobless economic recovery and what it means to the midwestern workforce.
I think I’ll stick with the video.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
You'll see what you want
Yeah, I’m sure Ferentz doesn’t give a shit about the minutiae of his program, because he’s never done that before.
Seriously, pull your head out of the sand and look around for once.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Apr 21, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he is spending time editing the fucking highlight film, no
If you want to say that makes me naive or something, well, okay I guess.
If this is the PR highlight tape then this is what they will use for recruiting
KF is going to have something to say about a recruiting tool
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Possible scene
Setting – KF’s office, Video dude walks in while KF is working behind his desk.
Video dude: Coach, I just finished the recruiting season highlight film.
KF: Great, lets take a look.
Video Dude (playing video): Did you see that run by A-Rob? Holy shit did break some tackles! … And the return by DJK in the MN game? That guy single handedly kept us in that game."
KF: (Complete silence – face getting red, slight twitch in upper lip – pulls out gun)
Video Dude: So, you didn’t like it? Jesus, that gun is huge. Why is your office covered in plastic? No, it doesn’t feel hitting a bong!
loud gun shot
Scene ends with KOK and Norm Parkerbot wrapping up a dead body in plastic and taking it out of the room.
Nobody wants to be that guy.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Apr 21, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Dexter'd..
"And after it was all over, he took us in the house and served us pancakes... pancakes." - Charlie Murphy
by Podolak Pimpin' on Apr 21, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying you're naive...
…well, maybe a little. But this comes on the same day that he names Mr. Rhabdo Coach of the Year while his defensive coordinator stands to clap on his prosthetic leg. We could do a week of “Kirk Ferentz is kind of a dick” posts if we wanted. The pattern of conduct might not place him at the scene beyond a reasonable doubt, but it’s enough to say this is more likely than not his doing.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Apr 21, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
The coach of the year thing was really dumb
And obviously his doing. If you had posted about that I would have been fine with it, and agreed ( I’m still of the opinion that Doyle should have been fired, but that’s another issue).
This, the other hand, seems like you just reaching for a way to further the Ferentz is a dick storyine, when there are a bunch of legitimate examples you could have used instead.
by NorseHawk on Apr 21, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
OK, fair enough.
I’ll readily admit this bothers me more because I think these two guys got screwed. I can agree to disagree on the rest.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Apr 21, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
This is a PR video that even if KF didn’t influence directly, his views on 2 of the top players from the previous year’s team were still taken into account. It is just extremely petty IMHO and that type of attitude should be above someone who is in charge of 100 athletes who look up to him as a mentor, if not a father figure.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Apr 21, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Erasing history because of a player's misconduct is nothing new
Baseball writers all across this country have been paving the way for four years now.
I personally would like to see the players’ highlights in a 2010 recap because they were responsible for some pretty spectacular plays in an otherwise ordinary year, however I’m not that upset by their omissions since it’s been clear for a long time that crossing Ferentz isn’t a wise move.
Is Ferentz a dick? Possibly, and I wholeheartedly agree that naming Doyle COY is far worse – a giant “FUCK YOU” to anyone who dared to say anything negative about the program in January – but this doesn’t upset me too much.
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Apr 21, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he's a dick as much as a super control freak
This fits in with the “control the content, control the message” Kirk Ferentz we’ve seen since his first days at Iowa.
Does it irritate me? Yes.
Do I like it? No.
Do I understand it? Hmmm, sort of.
Do I really care that much as long as Iowa remains a good football program? No.
Does that make me a hypocrite? Probably.
Do I ask too many rhetorical questions? Definitely.
I really have very different feelings about Ferentz following this season
than I have in the past. I feel like some guys are getting mistreated here.
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
Me, too
If he’s the vindictive monster some of us seem to think he is, let’s see it on the field once and a while.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Apr 21, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Other than the MSU game this year?
Whatever farm animal of war, Lana. Shut up!
by Carfino'sWay on Apr 21, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep. Loved that game.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Apr 21, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
and isu
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
by sailorjerry on Apr 25, 2011 1:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Stoops said it best
There’s a certain air of Ferentz using DJK and then discarding him the second it became too inconvenient. This only lends further support for that argument.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
What a crock!
“Using DJK?” Guy let him play in pretty much every game for four years. Then, DJK shacks up with drug dealer, and, at the very least, gets found high in a house that has multiple illegal drugs in it.
Anyone who says Ferentz is a dick is, himself or herself, a complete and total dick. Like, a super-dick, only without any beneficial powers.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He let him play?
What were Ferentz’s other options there? It seems that Kirk was going through a bit of a rough patch there and DJK gave the team a much needed talent boost. Iowa would probably not have been in the Orange Bowl or the Insight Bowl without DJK. His playing was not an act of mercy or extraordinary kindness.
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
If Cleveland and Douglas don't each go full-retard,
DJK might be like Sandeman to us right now.
And, a head coach, at any time, can choose to play anyone he wants.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure he can choose, but that doesn't mean
that by doing so he isn’t also getting something out of the deal. I just think that a coach has a responsibility to his players that extends beyond the convenient or comfortable.
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
Yes, to his players that don't commit multiple crimes.
/even if the charges were eventually dropped.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope, even them.
A kid who does something stupid, but nonviolent, is not a lost cause. They talk about it being like a family at Iowa, well, you can’t just kick out a family member when they do something stupid. You help them take their medicine and then you help them get back on their feet. That is what a man does.
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
by Lycurgus on Apr 21, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
WaterlooChazz
With all due respect. DJK was an exceptional player for Iowa and if you can’t see that, I think that you’ve lost perspective. NCAA Division 1 football is a very lucrative business and every coach will play the best players he has available. There’s no question that DJK was a huge asset to the Hawks — Ferentz played DJK because he gave the team a better chance at winning. In other words, DJK was good for business. Ferentz obviously had problems with DJK’s style, but not enough issues to keep him off the field. Each of the Hawks big play makers put money in Ferentz’s pocket — that’s uncontroversial. It’s reality.
Financial journalist Michael Lewis has estimated that the quarterback alone at the major university can be worth up to 5 million dollars in revenue to the school. In 2010 DJK and A-Rob had 10 TDs each of the teams total of 42 TDs (in other words, the two players accounted for 48% of Iowa’s TDs). If you don’t think that those two players earned Iowa big revenue (and at least part of Ferentz’s bonus), you’re kidding yourself.
I gather that you have a much bigger problem with drug infractions than alcohol/fighting-related offenses, but I think that it’s only fair to note that as far as Iowa law goes, at the end of the day, DJK and A-Rob plead guilty to offenses that were essentially no worse than J. Ferentz’s 2 public intoxes, Prater’s (DUI), and of course Reiff’s arrest for leading at least eight Iowa City police officers on a 20-minute foot chase — ending with charges of public intoxication and interference with official acts.
If you (or anyone else hasn’t seen it), I highly recommend Frontline’s NCAA documentary. It can be found here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-and-march-madness/ I really encourage people to watch it — it’s illuminating to say the least.
Sorry for the long rant but this whole situation really pisses me off.
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Apr 21, 2011 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I have that Frontline DVR'd,
but haven’t found the time to watch it yet.
If A-Rob or DJK had “just been caught smoking weed”, I could see letting them have a one or two game punishment (and maybe a little community service or whatever they seem to talk about players having to do before they come back) and then letting them back on the team.
But, timing and circumstances are pretty big in these cases, to me. One guy got his violation while suspended for grades or lack of class attendance, and the other guy was living in a place where drugs were stored and sold (and he may have had multiple illegal substances in his system).
And so, I don’t have a problem with them not being back by now, or not being at pro day, or not being on this video.
I think most of the posters on here are of an adult age, but it is possible like that a video like this one would be seen by a lot of recruits or other kids. And neither guy made it to the end of the year and still on this team, so there is no point in being outraged about them not being on a video made 3 months later.
Finally, I would argue that the Iowa players over the last 5 or 7 years don’t seem to have a lot of dis-incentives to avoid knucklehead stuff (booze, drugs, theft) or serious stuff (rape, barfights, DUIs). Iowa City seems to have a court system that is letting these guys off a bit easy (maybe it is just ineptitude of the county attorneys, and maybe this “letting them off a bit easy” is happening for plenty of non-athletes, as well). There seem to be plenty of attorneys willing to serve these athletes. With reduced public sanctions (at least that’s how it appears to me), I think the football coach should have a bit more sanctions or incentives available, and should be able to use them. I don’t think KF was the decider on erasing these guys from the official memory, but if he did, there is no reason for us to get in a huff about it. It’s freaking football, not life-and-death. KF is a good (possibly not great, or maybe is great) coach, and not a guy we need to demonize once every three months, unless he makes some serious mistakes (covers up a crime, puts guys in position to commit a crime, sets a bad personal example, etc).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It's certainly not life or death
but his actions do have an enormous impact on DJK and A-Rob that is disproportionate to their crimes — especially when compared to the sanctions that Ferentz has imposed on these other players (including his son). I agree that there should be rules and I would have much less problem with this if he was more transparent and even-handed.
That said, both of these guys have given tremendous effort to the team — at times they seemed to be the only two guys on the field that gave a damn whether the Hawks won — and I (and many others) feel that they deserve better treatment than this. Ferentz, by taking the action that he’s chosen, has used these 2 incidents to completely overshadow all their hard work. A-Rob has played with a lot of heart and basically carried (irony intended) almost the entire running game until his two serious injuries. As far as A-Rob’s academic concerns go, if there is any indication that he had academic issues before his concussions, I would reevaluate my position on that subject, but those of you that downplay the significance of sports concussions, especially occurring so close together, haven’t been reading any of the current research on the subject. In case you’re not aware, concussions are proving to have much more serious consequences that previously thought. Some may feel that the players accept the risks of playing when they sign on and we shouldn’t worry ourselves too much when they sustain serious injury and I would agree — if I were a totally sociopathic dick (rather than just a run-of-the-mill dick).
As far as you not having a problem with them being summarily dismissed regardless of their rather considerable contributions to the team, that is obviously a subjective/values call for people. As many others have stated, had they been involved in activities that were violent or fraudulent in nature, I think that we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Maybe in the end, it boils down to whether a person feels that 1 or 2 incidents that are not felony charges, should have such damning effects on a college kid who has put his body on the line for our entertainment.
Finally (whew), I personally think that KF is setting a terrible example with this behavior and I suspect that this will affect the way many fans view him — and I don’t really give a damn whether he’s a good or great coach (or God incarnate). Childish and vindictive behavior by someone in his position isn’t acceptable under any circumstances. But you are right about one thing, it’s not (for many) whether he’s right or wrong — it’s whether he entertains us by winning games.
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Apr 22, 2011 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice post.
But with the exception of fans like us, most opinions won’t change at all, as most people won’t ever even see the highlights vid or give a shit one way or the other. And really, most of our opinions of KF still won’t change. Mine hasn’t – I just think this one isolated incident is a dick move. That doesn’t mean I’m suddenly anti-KF or think that’s he’s a total dick now.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 22, 2011 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Most people don’t care about this. The 200 or 300 of us on BHGP that comment regularly on here might care (or might not, because it doesn’t really burn me up).
What does burn me up is when people start calling the coach a dick because of a highlight video that he may not even have anything to do with. Whereas, many of these same people are making various excuses for guys who made stupid “mistakes” that definitely came at a bad time for the team. To me, if these players are the only ones who care if we win, they have a fucking funny way of showing it.
Finally, if A-Rob isn’t getting appropriate medical care for a concussion that he got while playing football, then that is a big issue. But let’s not start parroting the current media uproar about concussions when it really isn’t the main issue. Now, if in ten years, Sedrick Shaw, Tavian Banks, and Tim Dwight (or any other three former Hawks) start going on killing sprees because their brains have been sloshed around too much, then that is the appropriate time.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
FUCK YOU
Seriously Chazz, fuck you. There are (many) times where you and I disagree, but at least its from a point of intellectual honesty on both sides. This isn’t one of them.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
The perils of posting too quickly
and letting emotion take control. I failed to read the rest of this mini-thread where Chazz fleshed out his feelings/thoughts more fully. And I don’t find myself in as much disagreement and pissed-off-ness as I did when I initially responded. There is no excuse for me being so personal and such an over-the-top asshole, Chazz didn’t deserve it. I apologize for both my hastiness in responding, and the unnecessarily personal nature of my response.
That said, the fact remains that you (Chazz) and I have a very fundamental difference of opinion regarding Ferentz and DJK. Without re-hashing that entire debate, what I meant to convey was my anger/hurt at the way I perceive Ferentz has, and most importantly, continues to go out of his way to denigrate, downplay and dismiss the contributions DJK has made to the team the past four seasons. I have absolutely NO problem with DJK being suspended/dismissed from the team in light of his arrest, but I object to the continuing, active actions on KF’s part to avoid any acknowledgment of DJK whatsover. Between not letting him wear an Iowa helmet at the all-star game, erasing him from this video, and his refusal to even talk to DJK after the season ended, Ferentz has shown an incredibly narrow-minded, petty and ruthlessly vindictive mindset when it comes to DJK, one that he has NOT shown to any player in the past, even those who’s actual transgressions are the equal, if not worse, than DJK’s.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Apr 22, 2011 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I couldn't have said it any better myself.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Apr 22, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Goon,
I was going to write a comment that basically said “Right back at you, buddy.”
But then I read your last comment.
I’m going to ask a question that none of us know the answer to. Do we really think that Ferentz (or the assistant coaches) never really tried to help DJK in his 4 or 5 years at Iowa? Never tried to give him some good advice? Never tried to be a good role model? Never tried to show him how to handle himself with dignity and a bit of humility? Never tried to tell him “hey, be careful who you hang out with. Don’t do illegal stuff. Be a good Hawkeye and member of our community.” Christ, if I were Ejiasi, I’d make handouts/flyers that had most of this info on it, and make players read it and sign it once or twice a year.
Personally, I’m willing to bet the coaches did these things. And DJK never really bought in. And then, at the end, was shown to have been influenced more by the drug dealer he was living with (at least in terms of doing one or more drugs before your season or college career is over), than a coach who gave you a scholarship, an opportunity, and a 4-year career. You know who didn’t do any of that for DJK? That Tressel fucker.
I’m not sure why we expect KF to give DJK a bunch of extra perks (and the helmet for the all-star game, the pro day, the highlight vid, and yes, even a discussion with the coach during a peak recruiting season or spring practice, are all things that I would call “extra perks.”) DJK made at least one, and possibly several repeated bad decisions. He can now live with the consequences, because he is 24 years old (he was 23 when he got arrested). An adult by all legal standards.
DJK may be the mature, cool, gifted, intelligent guy that many of us want to think he is. And if he is, that is great. Or, he could be a drug-using bad influence on younger players, which is a possibility if any of the drug rumors about multiple players from November and December, are true. Or, he could be somewhere between these two extremes: a young adult that has admirable traits and still makes the occasional misdemeanor mistake at times. But don’t use him (or A-Rob) as a foil to then start calling a dedicated (and, in my opinion, pretty classy) head coach, a dick.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Late to the party, but this echos my thoughts on the subject.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Apr 22, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Game. Set. Match.
In the opinion of this guy.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
I have never called Ferentz a dick
I have said this is a dick move and he’s acting like a dick, but I confine it solely to his actions in re DJK generally and specifically. It is because I think Ferentz is generally one of the more upstanding college coaches, as well as a fine human being, that gives me pause here, because it seems so out-of-character for the man we think we know. We will never know the whole story, of course (unless Ferentz releases a tell-all autobiography, which would undoubtedly be released via 140-character blurbs on Twitter with special embedded video), and that is ok.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I alluded to it
Chazz laid it out bare. This is the truth, even if you don’t like the message.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
To all interested in learning more about DJK:
Here is the interview he did with some dudes from Des Moines’s KXNO on Friday. I’m sure Ross/OPS/HS will link to it on Monday or shortly thereafter:
http://www.kxno.com/cc-common/mediaplayer/player.html?redir=yes&mps=murphnandy.php&mid=http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/DESMOINES-IA/KXNO-AM/Full%20DJK%20Interview%204-22-11%202.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&CPROG=RICHMEDIA&MARKET=DESMOINES-IA&NG_FORMAT=&NG_ID=&OR_NEWSFORMAT=&OWNER=&SERVER_NAME=www.kxno.com&SITE_ID=726&STATION_ID=KXNO-AM&TRACK=
If that link doesn’t work, just go to Hlas’s article and click the link in that:
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 23, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Get the sand out of your Vandenberg
If Ferentz had that level of control, this would’ve been shot in high contrast B&W and full of O-Line highlights. Also, the soundtrack would be absent, replaced by a Ben Stein voicevoer. And the title would be “Zone Blocking Fundamentals, Part 12: Obtaining Lateral Leverage.”
No, my friends. This has “Sports Marketing Intern” written all over it….
by Roosevelt on Apr 21, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry Frank, but a sports marketing intern did not make this choice.
If an intern (or low level staff of any kind) did this, it was handed down from above. Seriously, not a SINGLE highlight (of the many availiable) of the two guys. That isn’t an accident, and an underling wouldn’t have had the sway or balls to do that on their own. Period.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Although I could see
Ferentz producing a video like the one he describes.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
If Ferentz were in charge all Iowa highlight videos would be Rob Bruggeman blocking, regardless of what season the video was ostensibly supposed to be highlighting.
by NorseHawk on Apr 21, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'd watch it
it would probably be awesome
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Apr 21, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Very nice subject line.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't there a difference in editing a video and simply saying, "No highlights of Robinson and Johnson-Koulianous."
The way you paint it, that he sits at t a computer and takes out all of the highlights afterwards, is outrageous and seems totally unlikely. That he simply said to the guy, “Don’t do this.” does not seem quite so crazy.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't think we can positively infer that KF is the reason behind the omissions
It was probably somebody in the PR office. A higher-up, perhaps, or maybe just the workaday guys knowing the situation. That said, if KF ever views this and wants to use it as a recruiting tool, the stand-up guy thing to do would be to say “Hey, where’s DJK and A-Rob? Get them in there. They don’t deserve to have their memories erased for the minor offenses committed versus the time and effort they put in.” That’s something I don’t see him doing, though, and a reason to legitimately think he’s a dick on these kinds of things.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you seriously think
that somebody is going to say “omit ARob & DJK” without running it past Ferentz? I don’t. The only people I can think of who could even make that call are Bloodpunch & Sally. And I don’t think either of them would do that just because it would just be dumb. Why poke your finger in KF’s eye for no real reason, unless you are a piss poor manager which I doubt either of them are.
I don’t know whose idea it was, but KFsigned off on it. Frankly, I think this is directed at the team. He’s making a ham fisted statement that the time for fucking around is over.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Fixed this
He’s making a ham fisted iron fisted statement that the time for fucking around is over.
And if it works? If Iowa is an a BCS game come January, how will we all feel then?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Apr 21, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I will still think
it was petty and ham fisted.
This kind of crap will scare some guys straight, but others say “what a dick” and just work a little harder on not getting caught. That’s how I react to crap like this. I’d probably be tracking down a big bag of dope right now.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
by Flakbait on Apr 21, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't care, just don't get caught.
That’s me speaking, not Capt. Kirk.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Apr 21, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
You really think Kirk cares that much about highlight videos?
I think that’s a PR department thing he might have absolutely nothing to do with.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Ferentz
cares very much about every aspect of the program. Because that’s what head coaches of major programs do.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
You may be right
But in my experience with high-powered people in organizations that large, even the most hands-on of them just simply don’t have the time or care for every little detail. I’m guessing, as Kluginator pointed out, that he’s much more busy with practice, Rhabdo fallout, and other items. I think it’s very possible he’s either never seen the video, or glanced at it once and gave it a cursory “looks fine to me”.
In any case, whatever the level of his involvement, my point is that I think it’s a lot of big steps to say that it was definitely his call and that it definitely makes him a dick.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter if it was deffinitely him or not.
It’s his program and it was stupid, therefore he is where blame is placed unless more details come to light.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he has a strong hand in every aspect of the program
I’m in different to his dickishness, by the way. People in positions of power do dickish things. That’s just the way of the world.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Apr 21, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you think the PR departments of major companies do anything on their own, or do they always act knowing exactly what their CEO/President wants?
Kirk is the CEO. After 12 years he probably doesn’t have to tell his PR folks what to do. They know him.
Look, it’s an interesting topic, but I don’t care that much whether Kirk told them or not. It’s a stupid thing for the Big Ten’s Video Coordinator of the Year to do.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
That is a very fair point.
De facto video editing is video editing nonetheless.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I just meant
of the football team
good point though
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
It really amazes me
how you are so quick to absolutely absolve the coaches of any responsibility for something bad happening, no matter when or how often.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Or Jon Miller?
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Jon Miller = Mary Ferentz?
Have you ever seen them in the same place at the same time?
I’ll show myself out.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Apr 21, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
NO ONE DENIES THIS
Sorry, I’m not even sure why I’m on a Tawmmy kick.
by The Mexican't on Apr 21, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I absolve people in power from a lot of wrongdoing
Nobody is infallible, omniscient, or omnipotent. Most people are quick to (rightfully) agree that the little guy has a ton of problems and gets second or third chances and gets a chance to screw up. But then when they see somebody in a position of power screw up or do something they don’t agree with then they go on a warpath. I don’t understand that. They’re human too.
I think my thought process on this stems mainly from my life experience with money:
I have lived almost the entire gamut of money experience. Grew up in poverty (mom working 3 shitty jobs, dad alcoholic, the whole country song), worked my ass off to be able to afford UI, and grew in my work from a glorified CSR to a highly-paid excutive. I’m not anything close to “rich” by any means, but being an executive has given me insight into others’ motivations and the tough decisions they also have to make. The shit I saw as a CSR that I thought was outrageous sometimes made sense when I got the info behind it.
All that to say: I think KF knows a hell of a lot more about each of these situations than any of us do. He’s not infallible and surely has made wrong decisions but I think we go a little overboard in painting him with bad qualities at times.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Your absolution is all the more puzzling
since you came down like a HAMMER on DJK and other players who have screwed up. I think your priorities are completely out of whack – you seem to hold those with the least authority to the highest level of responsibility while holding those with the most to almost none.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Where did I come down like a hammer on DJK?
That is completely and totally wrong. Respectfully, your reading comprehension skills fucking suck*
*copyright Vint
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I was pretty sure you were one of the more vocal
anti-DJK posters when shit hit the fan in December. If I am mistaken and conflating you with others, I do sincerely apologize.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
That was certainly not me.
I quietly (for me, at least) agreed wholeheartedly with Bellanca.
I thought you were inferring that from my conversation with Lycurgus elsewhere in this thread.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
No not at all
And again, I apologize for ascribing views to you that you don’t hold.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Hatchet buried on that, then. Apology accepted.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
<3 u, Catnuts
(and sorry about that)
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Apr 21, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a good and powerful line, no worries from me.
<3 ur website
(and sorry about continuing the text-speak)
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Get a chatroom, you two.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Apr 22, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
People go on the warpath because they want equality.
Rich people don’t pay for their actions nearly as much as poor. It isn’t fair, so people speak up, even though it inevitably does no good. The world spins on.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Generalization? Yes.
But truth too.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll agree with that generalization
HoyaGoon has a similar point below that also has merit. I understand quite well the hardships faced by being in poverty for a very long time.
I’m just saying that people in power are human too, and to expect perfection and to call them a dick when they don’t obtain our perceived perfection is not fair or correct.
Damn, it’s hard to have this conversation without giving political examples…
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
but there’s a time when you need to be a dick, and there’s a time when your doing it just to be a dick. This seems to be the latter. Justifying all the actions of higher authorities, be it Ferentz, Obama or Steve Jobs by saying “well, they have hard jobs”, is just a cop out.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Aaaarggghhh
I’ve agreed that this video omission controversy looks petty and dickish. I was making another point in this conversation.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
And,
if you think this is even remotely true
Most people are quick to (rightfully) agree that the little guy has a ton of problems and gets second or third chances and gets a chance to screw up. But then when they see somebody in a position of power screw up or do something they don’t agree with then they go on a warpath.then you are completely unfamiliar with the criminal law system in this country.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Also, I'm not absolving them of everything, just certain parts.
If you read my other comments I agree that cutting them from the video is petty and looks dickish.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would highlight guy be all high and mighty and omit some of the best plays of the year?
It may not be KF, but someone is certainly acting like a jackass.
by The Mexican't on Apr 21, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs
by ReadingRambler on Apr 21, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Disturbing
because it isn’t just the soviets that operate that way.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
The open-casket pic is insane.
The craft they sent him up in was an absolute piece of crap. His only hope to come back alive was for all the various faulty engineering and machinery to cancel each other out.
by The Final Gun on Apr 23, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Coker has always been our leading rusher
McNutt has always been our best receiver. It has been this way forever. Have you not read A History of Eurasia?
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
This is like a Howard Zinn textbook brought to life
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Apr 21, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
You mean this is the kind of propaganda that Zinn would have exposed?
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
History ...
is a set of lies agreed upon. ~ Napoleon.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Apr 21, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice.
I wasn’t sure what Pat meant, but I’ll go with this as the explanation.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
He wrote that while finishing his unpublished work..
“How I captured Moscow.”
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Apr 21, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
ahahahaha
Sure, pal. Sure.
"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs
by ReadingRambler on Apr 21, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
POLITICS!
I demand a Banhammer, or else I’m staging a sit-in!
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Dammit
That’s David Taylor.
Shit, how long ago was that?
/loser posting four in a row
//stopping
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Not politics.
I can Zinn was a hack without getting into politics.
"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs
by ReadingRambler on Apr 21, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
can say
"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs
by ReadingRambler on Apr 21, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
You can Zinn is a hack
but you’d be wrong. You may not agree with him, but the man was anything but a hack.
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Apr 22, 2011 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not even gonna go there.
No sense in angrying up the blood (that’s what my Zinn books are for!).
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 22, 2011 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions
One of the most tenured,
and, in my opinion, coolest history professors from my college days mentioned Zinn in a small seminar class (I think he mentioned him at least in a neutral way, or even a slightly positive way). I haven’t read much Zinn yet, but I will someday.
This is the same prof that rocked me with the revelation that Martin Luther King Jr had, at least technically, plagiarized plenty of King’s graduate or doctoral work. It was refreshing to see a professor that was willing to admit the slight negative side of somebody that many professors would never dream of being completely honest about.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to go out on a limb here
and guess that you are not the type of person who is going to enjoy Zinn.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah, that may be why I have waited so long to read his work.
But, it is probably important enough that I should give it my attention at some point.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 23, 2011 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Expanding horizons
the same reason to pick up hermaphroditic midget porn.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 25, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I have mixed feelings about this...
But mainly it just says that it’s Ferentz’s way or the highway which is something we already knew before. It’s incredible petty to eliminate some of the limited highlights from this season but that’s the price one pays for getting on Ferentz’s bad side.
That's exactly right.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Apr 21, 2011 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
This is what doesn't sit right with me
It’s incredible petty
Is everyone ok with a grown man in charge of a hundred young men being petty? I just can’t see myself in his situation doing this
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Apr 21, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Whoa, coaches are sometimes dicks?
That’s it, I’m done with sports. I hope you’ll follow me to my new blog about the finest gardeners in the upper midwest.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That's coming next year.
But you will not believe the marigold issue coming up soon.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Marigolds? Please.
Everyone knows that the issue on how the migratory habits of swallows affect the time of year in which lilac bushes bloom is going to be the best.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Apr 21, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I asked Mexican't and he recommended hot sauce.
But I think he was fucking with me.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
you don't get rid of slugs
you embrace their presence, understand their needs and try to peacefully co-exist. Killing them is kind of a dick move.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Apr 21, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
So what you're really saying is that Ferentz dumped a whole bag of salt on those fuckers, right?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Aaaand that's how you bring it around. Kudos.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly
and that is why he will never be featured on TFGITUMW blog. Can’t have such violence on a peaceful, harmonious site.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Apr 21, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank Fucking God Iowans Torture Unique Maori Weaklings?
by The Mexican't on Apr 21, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
RACE WAR
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Canoes made out of the flesh of our Maori conquests.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
To be determined.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Everyone who isn't Maori.
Those in flood planes?
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
You put beer in a saucer (I'm not kidding- - they love that shit, get drunk and drown in hoppy bliss)
Kirk’s approach is short-sighted because you kill the slugs, but you also fuck up your future by screwing up the soil content (that seems like a parallel to something).
Electrolites are NOT what plants crave.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
All three will be attempted this summer.
(Well the asparagus is a biennial so it will be ready next year, but it’s going in this summer.)
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Tell me how it goes.
I’m not really a horticulturalist, but I am interested in environmental adaptation. It will be like you are conducting a small selection experiment.
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
Of course you added the "upper" qualifier.
Everyone knows I’m the finest gardener ‘round these parts. In fact, they’re so afraid of me taking their jobs that they’re building a fence to keep me from crossing the northern border.
by The Mexican't on Apr 21, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Mexico hasn't been the "Lower Midwest" since James K. Polk was in office.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Apr 21, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Tippiecanoe and Tyler too!
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Apr 21, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Wrong former general turned died-in-office President
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
That was kind of the joke.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Apr 21, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoosh!
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Apr 22, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait, you do know that's OMHR country, right?
TRAITOR!
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Apr 22, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I have not seen this fence on the Iowa-Minnesota border, but I will keep an eye open for it.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
They're trying (unsuccessfully) to keep our predatory hawks from their caddyshack-like annoying little gophers
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
We actually have gophers in our yard, I think.
It still baffles me why anyone would want to adopt a masoct and nickname based on a fucking pest.
Hell, as TBE suggested, at least slugs are useful.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Coming soon
The NEW Univeristy of Minnesota mascot: The Hanta Virus-infected Field Mouse!
Ok, but on the way we've gotta stop by a toy store and at least get him a stuffed animal, something. It's like...meowschwitz in there. -Sterling Archer
by The Nihilist on Apr 21, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
That's why I have mixed feelings.
Of course Ferentz is a dick, but his way has worked for a countless number of Hawkeyes and he’s gonna stick with it. He’s been a generally good face for the university and has brought the program back from the depths of hell the Big Ten.
Ferentz obviously does a lot of very good things for the university and the football program.
He also does some dicky things. This puts him in the same place as, oh, pretty much every single coach in the history of ever.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Slight correction
This puts him in the same place as, oh, pretty much every singlecoachperson in the history of ever.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Apr 21, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Will there be bad Photoshops?
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, duh.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
It's not about him being a dick
It seems that most of the great coaches are dicks. It’s about being petty. Its one thing to kick a player off the team because of a relatively minor offense, its another to entirely omit that player’s contributions for the previous year.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Apr 21, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
The list of coaches that are petty is also pretty long, I think.
It’s a power-trip position. Shit happens. Would I prefer it didn’t happen?
I don’t agree with everything Ferentz does/did/will do, but I’m pretty sure the same could be said about anyone else, too.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
The answer to my hypothetical question (which was somehow left out) is, of course, "yes."
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I think what rubs me the most raw on this
is that it is one thing to be petty but passive, but at some level, Ferentz had to actively work to exclude DJK and ARob from the video, even if it was just to tell the editor not to include them or cut out some clips they were in. It’s one thing to be a dick, its a whole other to go out of your way to be so.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
except for he might not have
I bet there are a number of people that could have made that call
But the point is
no one would have made that call without, at the very least, the implicit approval of KF
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I can't see this
I may be wrong but it is my assumption this video is sent. in the old days, or linked to all recruits. If KF does the actual recruiting he is going to sit down with the kid and his parents and ask what they thought of the video – seems like an icebreaker question. He would have to know about it and to leave off the ISU run or the MN kick return degrades the quality of the video, thus recruiting is more difficult.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Apr 22, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps, if it is mostly for recruiting purposes,
then it is excusable for KF to not want to broach the subjects of drug use and concussions in a setting where you are trying to concentrate on the positive aspects of your program?
I’m not sure KF edited or even intentionally approved of this editing. But if he did, and if you view it in terms of trying to accentuate the positives, then is it really so bad?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Flowers or veg?
Cause my wife, a lovely Minnesota farm girl, can make corn grow on a slab of concrete.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Apr 21, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
And risk the screams of "hypocrit"
If you had left ARob and DJK in the video?
Doesn’t that diminish the earlier premise that this is a fundamentally sound, well-coached team?
Oops, hadn't read your post.
I knew someone would say it.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Advocating for the devil.
He may just be looking Big Picture. If the highlight reel had included those two, inevitably there would have been people (some folks here included) who would have tried to crusify him about it (whether it was actually his call or not).
“THAT IOWA PROGRAM IS FULL OF CRIMINALS! JUST LOOK AT THEIR HIGHLIGHTS! IMPEACH FERENTZ!!”
I’d prefer that, because those people are demonstrably wrong, but it is the other side of the coin.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt anyone would have thought of it
and if anybody who mattered went all Cyclone Fanatic, the response would be “That video is really about what happens on the field. While the stories of those two players didn’t have a happy ending, they’re two young men who really gave their all to the program and to ignore their contributions would really have been a slap in the face they just don’t deserve. I think everyone knows that we don’t condone the behavior that got them kicked off the team because lets face it, we kicked them off the team for it. It’s time for everyone to move on and we wish them the best of luck. Next question”
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
It's kinda scary when, once again, a blog thread uses more common sense than the real world paid professionals
Well said
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 21, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
It just seems exceedingly deluded to try to pretend that
certain events didn’t take place because they are somewhat embarrassing and believing that no one will catch on.
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
We live in a world where the Friday song gets millions of hits.
Public opinion matters more than it ever has.
I think the prevailing attitude is that if we don’t address it then the public will move on.
And that attitude is probably right, the public is mostly sheep just asking where to look next, but it doesn’t make this situation right.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel like those players aren't the only ones being punished here
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
Exactly
By eliminating DJK, you’re also eliminating some of Stanzi’s best plays. Kirk Ferentz is a Communist! #notintendedtobefact
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Apr 21, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
TAWMMY!
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Apr 21, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
The reason this bothers me more than the Doyle Assistant of the Year thing is this:
Yes, naming Coach Rhabdo as your ACoY is a more brazenly dickish move, but it’s directed at people outside the program. I have no problem with Ferentz being a jackass in the general direction of Gregg Doyel, mostly because I think more people should be jackassish when dealing with hacks.
This thing, while more subtle, is against your former players. These are the guys that Jon Miller says you care so much about, that you’re such a good role model for, that you specifically brought here to carry under your wing. Combined, they gave you 8 years of their lives. One became arguably the best four-year offensive player you’ve ever had. The other will have lifelong health issues as a result of his sacrifices, if the research is any indication. You can throw them out on their asses for their mistakes, fine. If they crossed that line and are worthy of the shunning they’ve received, then do it. But do it prospectively. Don’t make their existence here, and their contributions to this team and this program and, yes, you, $3.2M man, seem insignificant. Because if these are the guys you are supposed to care so much about, I’d hate to see what you do to everyone else.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Apr 21, 2011 9:32 AM CDT reply actions 12 recs
And of course PV says what I was trying to say better than I ever could
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Apr 21, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
The second paragraph is the part I find most important in the entire scope of this
Agree wholeheartedly with Vint on this point.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
QED, bitches
perfectly, absolutely perfectly, stated.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
H8er.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Outstanding!
I have thought Ferentz was an arrogant dick for a long time, but nobody wanted to hear it. Maybe it is finally becoming clearer.
Life is hard. It's really hard if you're stupid.
This just makes me sad
As a parent, I’m pretty ‘my way or the highway’ & I’d like to think that as a result we have 2 kids that are pretty reasonable, aware of consequences & boundaries, respectful &, hopefully, responsible for their actions. Do I occasionally make a stand on a really stupid issue- you betcha, happens fairly often. When that happens, tho, I do sometimes reverse my stand. This is what we never see/hear about with Ferentz.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
Another way of looking at this is that it's a recruiting tool.
Fans have good memories, 17 year old incoming players have none. Showing a highlight video that spawns an innocent, “what happened to that guy?” question is awkward. Putting a bunch of cool plays together and being able to say, “he’s in the NFL, he graduated with a degree in Inca art in only 4 years” etc. is really helpful in a recruit’s living room.
I would assume KF was behind it, and I would guess the reasons are more innocent / utilitarian than punitive.
The newly created COY award is mystifying in its bizarreness, though, and directly cuts against the grain of my utilitarian point. I recognize the flaw in my logic.
First, I don't know that they won't be able to say those nice things about DJK
Second, how many bridges to you want to burn with guys. DJK and Arob could be out there right now, just bad mouthing the program if they wanted to. How much more complicated would rhabdo-gate have been if DJK and Arob decided that they wanted to be petty and vindictive?
Also, I’m guessing that recruits that like to talk to the media and wear flashy clothes are going to look at this saga as a cautionary tale, which is a good thing for Iowa because those kind of kids are never good at football.
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
It really reflects poorly on KF
that DJK has acted as the far more mature adult in dealing with the fallout of this situation.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Apr 21, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could not agree more
It boggles the mind, really.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 21, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Not true.
KF made a decision and then shut up.
DJK, while usually sounding pretty mature, talks about anything and everything, including how much he did and always will love Iowa. But not enough to stay away from blow for that extra 6 or 7 weeks.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
ding
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
One thing for KF not to speak publicly about DJK
Another for him to, apparently, ignore the attempts DJK (ARob, too, it sounds like) has made to reach out to him. I hate thinking that KF is that hardhearted, closed minded, whatever. I realize the only reason we know attempts were made is because DJK talked about it, but I’ve never seen him bring it up on twitter- only during an interview when he was asked specifically.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 21, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
KF may very well have responded
maybe not in the manner they would have liked. We only hear the players’ side of the story because KF is manning up and taking the high road, not saying anything disparaging. Gives the facts that they’re dismissed and lets the criticism fall on himself without getting whiny about it or trying to curry favor. That’s the more mature route.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
It distresses me that I am apparently siding with Chazz and KCP on this topic
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
So you think DJK is lying when he says he's tried various means of communicating & gets no response?
Being the ‘share everything’ guy he presents himself as, why not say, ‘hey, I contacted Coach & he told me to go blow’?
I’m really not claiming to have any real insight into either of their psyches, just trying to read the smoke signals.
Who knew I’d be the one to put Catnuts & KCP on the same side? I’m generally not a polarizing kinda girl.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 21, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't definitively tell if he's responded to DJK
Because Ferentz keeps his mouth shut about stuff like this. To his credit IMO
And here’s a stupid joke in regard to your last comment: Most girls are polarizing between two men that consider themselves alpha males.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
True, we only have DJK's quote on that
& I’d be 100% fine not knowing about it had DJK not answered that question. I took his answer as coming from a guy who knows he did wong, really wants to make it right (or maybe just ‘ok’) again & had run into a brick wall in an attempt to do so. But you’re right, maybe he’s gotten a response that he didn’t want. Still, I’m not sure he wouldn’t’ve talked about that, too. Some people are sharers (I am one) & some keep it all to themselves. Maybe that’s why I’m sympathetic to DJK here.
Regarding me being a polarizing figure between 2 alphas? Yay, me!
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 22, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Again,
why do we feel sorry for those guys? They care so much about Iowa, the fans, the team, and KF that they are reaching out to him, possibly multiple times. But they also reach out when a joint is handed their way (during the season), so whatevs.
And how the hell is Ferentz hard-hearted or closed-minded when he has donated hundreds of thousands or maybe even millions to the Childrens’ Hospital?
I’m starting to agree with HawKCP, that people aren’t even thinking before they comment on this “story.” I shudder to think how many people around here have made donations to those Sally Struthers ChildFund International scams.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking purely for me
I feel the pain, the joy, the sorrow, the everything because that’s just who I am. I want everyone to kiss & make up, find forgiveness for making a bad decision, sing kum-by-ah, whatever.
I get it, the world ain’t perfect & I don’t always get what I want. But that doesn’t stop me from hoping for it. I was really REALLY pissed when the DJK news broke. I felt betrayed, wanted him stricken from anything Iowa. & then I passed thru the anger phase, realized people make mistakes & use poor judgment &, if they’re lucky & choose to they’re allowed to apologize, be forgiven, get a second chance to prove they’ve learned from that mistake. So, yeah, seeing the ‘son’ disowned by the ‘dad’ disappoints me.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 21, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
From what it sounds like to me,
the “son” never really acted like one toward KF. Although, KF certainly didn’t act too much like an ever-loving “father,” either.
What bothers me is not the lack of reconciliation, but of how stupid the initial act was.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree on both points (yowza!)
But on point 2, I’m ready to forgive & move on. He does it again? Then I’m done.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 21, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the drug bust was your "again" for Kirk
We know he had a contentious relationship with DJK for a long time, don’t know details, but again that’s credit to KF keeping things under his wing and taking the bulk of the flak.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
But did he?
That’s the thing none of us will ever really know. And all of us, regardless of which side we come down on, are reading our own interpretation of things into events. You, Chazz and others look at this and say, “Maybe it wasn’t handled optimally, but Ferentz has built up a bank of trust with us that I believe [and that’s the key, it comes down to a matter of faith for everyone involved not named KF or DJK] that he had a reason for acting the way he did.” And that is a perfectly valid and reasonable position to take. And I don’t disagree with it, in principle. Where I have a problem with the situation is that for, literally [ed. note: ha!] years, DJK was singularly and publicly chastised in a way that almost no player in the Ferentz era has been short of a multiple felon. Public curiosity in the relationship is both obvious and expected given the high-profile nature of the parties involved, but at no time did Ferentz ever employ his go-to minimization techniques when it comes to player discipline issues. Instead, Ferentz would employ outlandish excuses – e.g., “Sandeman had a better week of practice” – that both insult the intelligence of the fans and seem guaranteed to only heighten the interest/curiosity in discovering the “truth”. Ferentz is a smart enough guy to know how his public utterances will be taken, he often says more in what he doesn’t say than in what he does, than to feign ignorance when people start poking around and asking questions about DJK.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
You're answering your own question
You’re stubbornly defending DJK to the end of the earth because you don’t know the nature of all of the transgressions leading up to the big one. You had a nice little rant here with valid points, all about KF’s flaws, none about DJK’s.
Be they minor or major, KF has kept them quiet and not said a thing sideways about DJK despite many people throwing out harsh criticisms of KF’s actions like you do here. What you see as outlandish excuses (the ‘Sandeman better practice’ BS), I tend to see as him deflecting questions about DJK in a way that can make people more mad at himself than one of his players.
And of course I agree on the fact that we all see the world through our own prisms and interpret actions of others in our own way. That’s what makes this thread and discussions like this so interesting to me.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 3:13 AM CDT up reply actions
It is, of course,
impossible to know that which we don’t know. And that is the crux of the issue with KF-DJK. And yes, to get all post-modernist, I, you and everyone else tends to read their own biases and prejudices into the situation. What is the determining factor, for me at least, is that I assume that there are a hundred different personnel problems/personality conflicts that we, as outsiders, never know about. It’s almost inevitable in a group of people this large, with personalities so pronounced. Which makes the fact this story perpetuated for such a long period of time mean something, because it was never stamped out or dismissed. Maybe DJK was a constant pain-in-the-ass at practice and generally a loutish, prima donna-esque player, that certainly wouldn’t shake my world-view. But I can’t believe he was the first, last, or only player that is guilty of that, but it seems – again, to me – that Ferentz was continuously cagey in his unwillingness to squash the story and by being too-clever-by-half in his responses, only served to fuel the fire until it finally blew up. I don’t think Ferentz is a dumb man, I think he is rather intelligent and knows what he’s doing 99% of the time. Which is why I have a hard time giving him a complete pass when he, and his defenders, feign ignorance on this relationship.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
So we've got lots of people claiming that they just want to see the kid get another chance
and then we’ve got people complaining about the manner in which Ferentz gave the kid his second chance, and what, his third and fourth and fifth chances as well. Seriously, somewhere above your complaint was with how Ferentz announced his punishment of DJK.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
What the hell is your point?
I’m really at a loss for what you’re trying to convey other than to take a position in opposition to my own.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
My point is that your argument is incredibly weak. Still at a loss?
Your argument above reads, blah blah blah pointless academic jargon blah blah blah no one really knows anything blah blah blah here’s something that I don’t know but I’m going to say anyway blah blah blah Ferentz made a mistake in the way he announced DJK’s suspension blah blah blah.
You made one actual point, there it is. You didn’t take exception with the suspension itself because you couldn’t. However, in your apparent need to be sympathetic with something you chose the manner in which the suspension was announced. That, sir, is weak.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
WaterlooChazz...
You seem like a decent, logical guy — until it comes to the subject of a) drugs or b) the notion that good, decent people can make mistakes. Apparently, you’re one of the few people participating here that has never made a mistake and for that I commend you sir. We mortals tend to see shades of gray. (And I for one don’t feel ‘sorry’ for ‘those guys.’ I just like to see people treated fairly — that’s subjective and I don’t give a shit).
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Apr 22, 2011 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Chazz,
I honestly hope that nothing bad ever happens to you in your life, because the standard you’ve laid out for others is untenable for a saint, let alone the common man.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Life tends to take care of these things.
Something tells me that our overweight, surly, unforgiving friend Chazz does not have as much happiness in his life as others on here that are much more kind and open to people making mistakes.
“And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make”
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions
No, I don't think that's the case
I’m actually quite sure that Chazz is a pretty happy and content person in his personal life. As well he probably should be. But it only takes a single moment to completely disrupt that and throw everything into chaos. that might be the only real difference between the two of us, I am aware of all the stupid, idiotic things I’ve done, none of which has ever negatively affected another person and that have not had a significant detriment to my own life. Where I disagree with Chazz is that I don’t think he realizes how slender is the blade upon which we all dance our lives.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Have you met the players?
Me: Unafraid to be The Asshole
Chazz: Intelligent and confident enough to absorb that kind of comment
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
& this is why this blog rocks
Everybody has their big boy/girl pants on most of the time.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 22, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
This comment is in response to many above by HoyaGoon, PCarroll, Catnuts, and anyone else interested in me or my state of mind.
Yes, I am obese. My diet is atrocious, and I don’t really exercise (sorry, Coach Hamd).
No, I haven’t made very many big mistakes in my life. Never tried drugs. Don’t smoke tobacco. I do drink, but haven’t done so to the point where I have embarrassed myself in a public setting, never got violent while drinking, never hurt anyone while drinking.
I have a career where it is pretty important for me to avoid crime, and I need to be a decent example for youngsters.
I am the oldest child of three in a family with two parents (a mother and a father). I was raised in a household that values a major Christian denomination. I was educated in schools of this same Christian denomination from age 3 to age 17. Then, I lived at home while attending UNI.
Admittedly, I don’t interact much with people outside my own race (I am white). While this is not really a good thing, it is also not really an intentional thing, either. I’ll admit that extremely few of my relatives have intermarried or even have any friends who are people of color. Certainly, these things play into my world-view. I acknowledge that some racism does reside in me, but I try not to let it grow, and I don’t let myself publicly display it (unless I’m trying to be annoyingly funny, and then, it is not meant in an attacking manner).
Yes, I have made mistakes. I once stole a basketball trading card that was probably worth a dollar. I’ve had two traffic accidents that were my fault (nobody except the automobiles were harmed). I’ve had one traffic ticket for running a red light (didn’t get through before it was yellow), and one speeding ticket (the god-damned Cedar Rapids SUV snapped my photon on I-380 while I was going 13 mph over on my way to the Ball State-Iowa game last fall).
I swear too much. I lust after women maybe too much (but I’m not out accosting them, so I’d say I’m doing things about right). I’m not always as kind as I should be to friends or family, but I think most people who know me would say I’m not a dick.
I’m not very careful with my money.
There, that’s my life. Behold it’s glory. It isn’t as fun or interesting as DJK’s life, but I have one less arrest on my record (I’m back to being a douche).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Chazz,
For the record:
You don’t really have to tell people that you’re white.
by The Final Gun on Apr 23, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
What you talkin' 'bout, TFG?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 23, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, I'm not clear. I mean that it's incredibly obvious that you are white.
Just a harmless joke. It’s obvious that I’m white, I’m sure.
by The Final Gun on Apr 24, 2011 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you missed Chazz's incredibly obvious joke, Willis
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 24, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Let me add illustration:

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 24, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh...you...you remember that?
Yeah.
Umm…is…is that true?
/Chris Farley Show’d
Seriously though, there’s no need to do that on a blog. As much as you try to make that out to be a nicely tied little psychological assessment, it’s a personal attack on the guy. Not cool in my book.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
You are correct.
I stand by my words but they were in an incorrect place and time. Chazz takes it better than most would, and it was probably inappropriate in its personal nature. I think at some point most people on this blog have gone overboard in their criticism of Chazz and owe him an apology, but then he keeps going right back to pulling off band-aids. Makes it hard, but it should be done. Chazz, sorry about that. I was wrong.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I know exactly where you're coming from. Just thought it was worth pointing out.
Not necessarily toward Chazz but at times I feel like tearing into someone, personally. I’ve done it before and it’s vindicating right up until 10 second after I hit post. Yeah, I regularly post mean and stupid things but when they’re in a joking manner I don’t fret about it, even if others do.
I normally just don’t say anything but the thing about it is that it’s become commonplace on this blog for personal attacks against Chazz to go unchecked and, thus, they perpetuate. I understand that you’re a grown ass man and don’t need it but I did it anyway.
For the peanut gallery, I don’t need to see someone type for the 100th time that Chazz is perfectly capable of defending himself. I’m aware of that.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
I appreciate the support, HawKCP.
And yes, I do “pull off band-aids” by making lame (and sometimes absurd and slightly offensive) attempts at humor.
If everybody just realizes that, out of every 5 comments I make, two or three of them are meant to be humorous, then I will probably be more understood. If not, I seem like an idiotic dick. I’m not the smartest dude in the world, but I’m not a complete idiotic dick, either.
Anyway, have a great Easter weekend, y’all.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 23, 2011 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions
One other good thing here at BHGP that I'll take partial credit for:
I think my self-righteousness helped give birth to some guy/gal inventing the DRUGS persona. And whoever that is, their posts are hilarious.
So there.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 23, 2011 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions
If this is used as a recruiting tool how do you explain tp some kid form Iowa why his favorite players aren't in the video?
This kid, and probably some kids outside Iowa, know the story and will want to know what will happen if the fuck up, as college kids do. What is the programs response then? “Sorry Jimmy, as long as you stick w/ alcohol related arrests you will be fin. Stay away from the drugs or your memory w/n ths program will be erased and you will be dead to us.” I don’t think I would be okay w/ that as a player or parent.
Whatever farm animal of war, Lana. Shut up!
by Carfino'sWay on Apr 21, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't disagree.
But I think a lot of the double standard has to do with societal acceptance.
If people didn’t look down on pot the way they do, then I don’t think Ferentz would care as much, but it makes the program look bad in others’ eyes, and I think that’s what he cares about (he’s got a product to sell).
Right or wrong, society generally looks at drinking crimes as somewhat innocuous, so there’s a bit more leeway there.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
If Ferentz doesn’t bring the axe down on ARob and DJK, then the headlines across the nation read “Iowa program doesn’t discipline its players.” Imagine Rhabdogate if we have a pot smoker on the team with a slap on the wrist.
Many of us here don’t view weed as a big deal. I’d bet that there are some boosters who do.
Long story short, legalize it. Then its on par with booze, and people get penalized for doing stupid stuff while using, not for possessing it in the first place. But until it’s legalized, it’s a law you don’t break.
Brunettes not fighter jets
by rockyh on Apr 21, 2011 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Interesting perspective
I think we’re also quick to forget or dismiss all the other stuff DJK had with him, in his system, and especially his choice to live with a drug dealer. Sure, in the end, only one charge stuck. That means something, but it also doesn’t mean he’s “only” a pot user and nothing else.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank you for taking my comment to an extreme place. Awesome.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Obviously it was a dumb exaggeration for effect and not serious
But still, declaring him guilty of a bunch of stuff that a court determined he was not guilty of is pretty lame.
So I have only driven drunk once ever in my life? That's great news!
Though it makes all the soul searching and life changes I made after that one day seem oddly over the top, then.
He’s guilty of a hell of a lot more than that, just not legally guilty as you’re correctly pointing out. Also, I’m not sure on this, but wasn’t he charged with a bunch more but had only this one stick? Can’t remember the exact details.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the whole point of a trial
To decide which of the charges are backed up by enough evidence to warrant a conviction. If we’re just going to assume people are guilty of everything they’re charged with, then why even bother with trials at all?
There’s also a pretty huge distinction between “stuff you did but didn’t get caught doing” (like you driving drunk) and “things a court explicitly declares you not guilty of doing”
Fine, whatever.
You can take only the strict, narrow definition on this if you want. But then be careful when you apply broad strokes elsewhere in other situations. Can’t recall if you’ve done much of that, but this thread is full of it.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Those guys were punished
Should punishment be a lifetime ban from the program? After the suspensions and expulsions, I don’t think anyone would thing that Iowa is soft on pot smokers because they put a couple of kids in a highlight video.
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
Since when is booze legal for 18 year-olds to consume?
And then run naked through stores fleeing from the cops? Because I must have missed that day of crim law.
Look, I know we as a society go batshit crazy over drug use, but at the end of the day, the charges against DJK and ARob were no more serious than those against Rieff, Ferentz’s own son, and a host of other players, many of them who figured prominently in this video. But alone amongst all the players that have screwed up on the current roster, DJK and ARob are alone in having their contributions erased by the staff. They have been – and deserved to be – punished. At some point it’s time to let it fucking go and acknowledge that they were actual members of the community.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
IS IT ME(and yes i felt that needed to be screamed)
But HFMR/PV/Jacobi/Ross should use the mighty powers of the webby links and put together the real Iowa highlight reel, BHGP style. It’s obvious this site gets more hits then the official Iowa page anyhow. Quit slacking and get this done or its banhammer for you all!
You'll figure out what to do, for god's sake your The Boat! - JD Scrubs
by smokinthereiff on Apr 21, 2011 10:09 AM CDT reply actions
Psssst: all of them have paying FT jobs in addition to their otherworldy BHGP attention already given
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Erroneous on all accounts
I want what i want when i want it! (Stomps feet!)
You'll figure out what to do, for god's sake your The Boat! - JD Scrubs
by smokinthereiff on Apr 21, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
i want an Oompa Loompa!
/Veruca Salt’d
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Apr 21, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Palmer is busy at the moment
would any OSU wrestler do?
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Apr 21, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
We also have the video-editing skills of a sack of pears, more or less.
If someone else wanted to put together a nice highlight reel, though, I’m sure we would throw it on the front page.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Pfft, HFMR's Hot Chip/Hawkeye video was excellent.
by The Mexican't on Apr 21, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
True, he does more video-editing skills than the rest of us.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Somebody wake up ScotHawk!
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Apr 21, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm undoubtedly rehashing someone else's comments (I'm not reading them)
I found it ironic that you distinguished between non-violent misdemeanors and misdemeanors involving alcohol and drugs. Because you obviously couldn’t say there was a double standard involving DJK as he was charged with an aggravated. I guess the argument could be made that maybe Kirk should wait for the legal system to play out to see what ultimately happens with each case before he starts handing out punishment. If that was the case, maybe DJK wouldn’t have gotten the Iowa Football death sentence.
With regards to Robinson, it’s not like this was his first rodeo. Sure, he picked up that marijuana charge at the worst time possible but uh…he also just failed a test.
Double standards may be abundant with Kirk but it’s not like they’re blatant and unjustified. In my opinion of course.
If you don't put a kid with a sprained ankle out on the field
why do you expect a kid with two traumatic brain injuries in a month to perform academically? I don’t have a problem with punishment for the drug arrest, but they should really reevaluate their expectations following concussions.
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
That's really
an issue for football in general, not just Iowa. We’re all witnessing the beginning of a big transistion in how concussions are handled, from pee-wee to the pros.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I agree, just something that needs to be considered and hopefully will be
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
When did he fail a test?
I can’t recall ever hearing anything official about that, just a lot of message board bullshit. He was suspended for academic reasons (a problem that could potentially be linked to his concussions, since I can’t remember him having issues before that).
Name me a justified double standard.
(Not trying to argue, that just caught my eye and made me wonder. I’m seriously trying to think of what that would be.)
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Men can't be Hooters waitresses?
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure I follow.
But I’m fairly certain that this is a GOOD thing. Seriously, I don’t want to see any man ever that has the assets required to work at hooters. Nightmare fuel indeed.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You like that sideboob? Eh, eh? You like that don't you?
Well you shouldn’t, because that’s MY sideboob.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
In college we called moobs "soggy nits."
Or maybe it was “knits.” Dunno. Either way, it was funny.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I was saying that maybe having only female Hooters waitresses
is your “justified double standard” that you’re looking for.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Pimping is equal opportunity
Just ask this woman (who reminds me of the mafia mom from Goonies).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 22, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
It sucks. But I'm gonna say one thing:
Holy fucking McNutt on Coker’s breakaway TD against Mizzou.
I got 99 donuts cuz a bitch ate one.
by Pain in the Sash on Apr 21, 2011 11:33 AM CDT reply actions
I know the buck stops at Kirk but
how much imput does Kirk give to these type things? Is it possible that some minion in the sports information office made the decision without Kirk’s oversight. As headcoach, Kirk was in the middle of recruiting, derhabocating players and running spring drills; does he really have time to edit videos?
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
He isn't editing, but I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that he has input on
what plays get used.
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
I'll probably get shelled for this but...
…eh, it’s a highlight video. It’s not like they are going to run it over the national news broadcast tonight. I you guys hadn’t posted it here, I probably never would have seen it. I also think that there is quite a bit of speculation as to the motivation of not including A-Rob and DJK. Has anyone tried to contact Mr. Englebert or his firm and asked THE question at hand. It would propbably be fairly easy to do, but, to my initial point: eh.
Englebert is on the Iowa staff.
He’s the video guy. KF is his boss.
by The Mexican't on Apr 21, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Is he though?
I wouldn’t necessarily say that just cause he is on the staff that KF is his boss, maybe the word on this came from on high or from Barta. All I’m saying is that it’s not that petty when you take into account the relative inimportance of the video in question.
Removing A-Rob and DJK was totally and completely right.
While I absolutely hate saying that, anyone running an organization can absolutely not associate themselves with past failures, embarrassments, or illegal activity. It’s PR 101 – putting those guys in the video would raise questions or reference them prospectively reminding people of a black mark on the university.
I don’t think it’s really personal – - and it is probably an unspoken policy within the B1G to omit suspended/ejected athletes from promotional materials.
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By that logic tOSU will not be including Pryor, or the others, in any promotional material
until after the suspensions. I don’t think that is going to happen.
Whatever farm animal of war, Lana. Shut up!
by Carfino'sWay on Apr 21, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Jim Tressel mollests collies
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Apr 21, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
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When an organization is about education
then past failures are all part of the process. Cutting someone lose because of it might affect your image is pretty cowardly.
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If that's all they're about, sure...
But Iowa, like any other school that relies on attendance, taxpayers, and donors must pander to the public. They have parents to coddle, and help them pretend drugs aren’t on campus and they have alumni they have to coddle, and help them pretend drugs aren’t on campus, as well as local media… etc., etc.
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Again, it is not as if these guys weren't punished
but to say that getting a possession charge should result in your exile from the football program and a complete whitewashing of your history with that program is beyond ridiculous.
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Neither DJK nor A-Rob was a simple possession charge
You’re whitewashing that history.
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Whatever. Maybe if we all try hard enough we can just forget they were on the team
to begin with.
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OK then.
Go sick pointing out hypocrisy or mismatched history for others but then getting mad at somebody when they point out yours.
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not mad. I don't know the exact charges off the top of my head.
I don’t think that much changes the fact that both of these guys played prominent roles for the football team and that can’t reasonably be erased.
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I agree that the video expulsion is petty and wrong
but I had a problem with this entire statement:
to say that getting a possession charge should result in your exile from the football program and a complete whitewashing of your history with that program is beyond ridiculous
You’re founding your reasoning on an entirely false base. Netiher was a simple possession charge. A-Rob’s was a possession charge after several smaller offenses that had put him on official probation mere days previous. DJK had several kinds of drugs in his room and in his body at the time of his arrest, but most importantly was living with a drug dealer.
Again, I don’t think I would have exiled them from the program or the video, but you are whitewashing the history to make it look like these guys simply got caught with a joint or two.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
The possession charges were the catalysts for expulsion
however, even the full catalogue of their respective transgression hardly warrants this treatment.
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Maybe I'm not getting my point across
I agree that the reasons for expulsion (in totality or in specifics) are weak by many people’s standards, including mine. I am not arguing that point.
I am saying that you are giving DJK and A-Rob too much of a pass in your view of their history, which hurts your critical argument that KF is being hypocritical when you’re doing so yourself. You’re saying they were expelled for simple possession to lessen their culpability when that is clearly not the case. Their offenses were more complicated and greater than that.
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not arguing that DJK shouldn't have been effectively kicked off of the
I give Arob a pass because, other than the possession charge, the kid had some academic troubles that just magically coincide with two brutal concussions the kid received on the field. Did he ever have any academic issues prior to that two month span?
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Now you're digging for info that was never made public
(A-Rob’s previous grade problems, if any) that I don’t think is worth discussing. And would probably do much to weaken your point if the internet rumors were to be believed (e.g. his rumored involvement with the druggie team members)
The fact is he was on official probation in the few weeks after a major football team drug bust story and got caught with weed possession. Probation is not a minor thing, and he fucked up in the worst way possible while on it.
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
My point is that the kid was never in trouble
with the team before that Oct/Nov/Dec for academic reasons. He apparently received no academic motivated punishment during the 2009 season.
He didn’t fuck up the worst way possible. He got caught with weed. He didn’t destroy property, he didn’t kill anyone, he didn’t drive drunk, he didn’t try to run from the police when they arrested him. He got caught with some drugs, that is far from the worst thing he could have done.
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It was the worst way possible in that timeframe
That was my point.
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
No one is whitewashing or giving a pass.
Most are simply saying that nothing they did warranted this type of treatment (though I wonder if they even took it as a slight).
And please don’t start referencing internet RUMORS. It isn’t rumor week yet (those are in August and December). The rumorboards were also saying that a quarter of the team failed their drug tests (and there were so many things wrong with that rumor that you could Fisk it). Rumors are just that… rumors, not to be repeated on a reputable (?) website.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Um, were you arguing against me there?
I agreed that this treatment wasn’t warranted
I also thought I made it clear I didn’t want to discuss the rumors as if they were factual or relevant.
Perhaps I have failed to clearly get my point across. Wouldn’t be the first time.
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
What charge for either of these guys was so heinous that would warrant exile?
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I think them getting booted is a travesty...
Don’t get me wrong. But once that’s happened, the PR machine is going to bust out the eraser.
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What they did on the field
was not failure, embarrising or illegal.
And there is an argument that including them in the highlights will make future players say “damn, those guys were great but they still got kicked off the team for fucking up”, and it will influence them to not fuck up because they know nobody is above the law.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Besides
it’s not like were talking child molestation or a serial rapist. This was petty drug stuff and about half the country thinks weed should be legal anyway.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
It's still a crime...
Even if it’s one most of us commit. UI can’t appear to condone the behavior. Acknowledging those players’ accomplishments is unfortunately tantamount to that. I don’t necessarily agree with it, but it’s how the public perceives it.
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Well, it's probably not "most of us"
But I think the majority of us who do not partake (myself included) don’t have an issue with others that do. Especially if we like a little bit of the alkyhol ourselves.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
It depends on the poll
but legalization seems to hold a slight edge.
Anyway, my whole point here is that you can’t justify keeping these guys out of the video by saying the UI doesn’t want to condone petty offenses while completely ignoring all of the other players with petty offenses who are still on the team and in the video. Especially when one of those offenses wasn’t all that petty (assault).
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Agreed 100% on the overall point.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Um, the university constantly associates itself with AKutcher, star of pot-smoking comedy "Dude Where's My Car?"
In fact he just dropped in on a class and participated in the lecture (scarey).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
And never graduated
I could be wrong, but I do believe even DJK has a degree at the least.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Brokaw does the voiceover for our commercials...
Never graduated. Dropped out because he partied too much. A few years and a news desk will put a lot of history behind you.
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He did eventually get a degree from U of South Dakota by the time he was 24 or so.
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by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
My only point here was that the university seems selective about wanting to distance itself from the public perception of pot.
I suppose being a high-dollar donor will buy you that wiggle room.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 25, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
So lets see
Clayborn kicks a guys ass, Binns gets a DUI, Ferentz gets public intox, what’s his name gets drunk and goes streaking with police in hot pursuit, and on and on and on. None of them are kicked off the team, none of them are excluded from the pro-day. So I guess the UI is OK with all that. Good to know. Especially the assault.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Well, this is now veering into the huge discussions we've had previously
when the DJK story first broke.
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
FYI, I agree with your stance there, just think we might not want to discuss everything under the sun again
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
So Brian Ferentz's whole housing situation...
I mean, what the fuck?
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah,
Ferentz was quoted as basically saying that they weren’t helping Brian financially because they wanted him to have a ‘typical’ college experience. Well, myself and everyone I know was helped financially in college if their parents had the resources. What a douche (and a multi-millionaire douche at that.
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Apr 21, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no problems with
a millionaire not helping their kid pay the rend in college, and that kids financial sitiuation qualifying him for section 8. My problem is that KF is a very public millionaire and he should have realised that when it became public, it would leave a stain. It was just stupid.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
A PR failure from this staff?
I’m shocked, SHOCKED that this could happen
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I have
a problem with it. Why should we subsidize Ferentz’s crib when his dad is the highest fucking paid state employee. I would be embarrassed to NOT take care of my kid’s expenses with that kind of money.
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Apr 21, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
There’s quite a bit of room between Section 8 housing & a mansion. One would think Ma & Pa Ferentz could see the wisdom of NOT letting one of their children sponge off the good people of Iowa & help him out with just enough to get a roof over his head without using state funds.
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by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 21, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm betting they didn't know about that until after it happened.
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by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't know their kid was in Section 8 housing?
Good grief, are you going to tell us next that the Earth is flat because KF said so?
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Apr 22, 2011 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think it is that wacky to believe.
If Brian was 18, doesn’t he control where his room and board money goes to?
And if his parents trust him, they might not verify his story (especially if dad is super-busy running a football program).
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by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
The simple answer here is that most athletes live in Section 8 housing.
In fact, I would say it’s an overwhelming majority. I cannot blame Ferentz for wanting to live among his teammates given the demands of his schedule and the obvious benefits that he can obtain from living in close quarters with teammates.
Certain parts of this thread are just plain ugly.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Plus the NCAA doesn't allow them to have jobs for a good portion of the year
so I’d be spending as little as possible on housing too.
They truely are “low income.” (Granted, if dad’s a multi-millionaire it’s more gray, but still.)
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 25, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
true, they dont make much
But the roughly $800 a month thy get is more than many students with a job (including me) would take in over the same time period. I paid rent on time (mostly). I drank cheap shitty beer and I lived on pbj and fountain diet coke.
its a college town, there’s a ton of shitty rental property depending on how much you want to pay without filling out DHS paperwork on a soiled conscience.
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
by sailorjerry on Apr 25, 2011 2:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Your gambit has worked.
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Guess so.
So about the rape room…
/re-gambit’d
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 22, 2011 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions
That's not what I'm saying.
I don’t assume to know what UI deems acceptable other than the occasional alternative prom – what I am saying is that these kids got booted, publicly. UI cannot then go back and tout that stuff. That’s all.
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So, they need to whitewash their own history instead of just telling the truth
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You don't see NBC...
Putting Frank Giffords in promotional materials, do you? It’s the natural progression of these things. It’s marketing.
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That is fine. Just don't tell me the people that engage in it are good guys.
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They're every day folks like you and me.
Just with a paycheck based on a different incentive.
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Eh, integrity can be bought pretty cheap if that is the motivation.
Doesn’t make it any more commendable.
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Don't blame the PR folks...
Blame the journalists, blue-hairs and the holier-than-thous for creating an atmosphere that forces schools to abandon these kids instead of teaching them life lessons. PR departments don’t exist for shits and giggles.
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I will blame the coach and the AD
they are not powerless. Neither guy was going to get fired for letting DJK wear an Iowa helmet in an all star game or letting Arob back on the team.
You punish these guys and then you move past it. This endless saga of personal rebuke is old and it is beneath someone of the stature of Ferentz or Barta. If it is motivated by fear of reprisal from the media or fanbase, then, I believe, that is pretty reprehensible. The school and the coach made money off of the performances of these players (much more than the cost of 4 years of tuition) and they should own it.
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You can't believe...
That those guys can go up against public perception and win. It doesn’t work like that. I mean, sure, if everything is rainbows and unicorns – yeah, stick by those kids until hell freezes over – in the real world Ferentz has to protect his multi-million dollar career and the AD has to protect the multi-million dollar business that is the university. These decisions aren’t black and white.
Ma'am, you're dealing here with a fully qualified male strumpet. I service the entire Quad Cities area: Moline, Rock Island, Davenport and Bettendorf. Why don't you give it a whirl? What have you got to lose? - Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute
They sure stuck by Ferentz and Doyle
during the rhabdo issue. There was some bad press in that. Why didn’t they fire Kirk?
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It shouldn't be naive to think that people can be
decent even when money is involved
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Ferentz has a pretty open and direct
“fuck the media and outside perception” approach, but we’re supposed to believe THIS is where he draws the line and starts kowtowing to it?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Wrong tigerhawk
I can’t think of too many people who would be that petty and vindictive. Ferentz owes some of his bonus money to those two players. Iowa would NEVER have made the Insight Bowl without their contributions.
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Apr 21, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you really think...
…there are a bunch of evil people sitting in an office in Iowa City drowning kittens and thinking of ways to fuck over DJK? No.
Instead, there are a bunch of people sitting in an office (possibly drowning kittens) saying, “hmm… should we show DJK and A-Rob in this video?” and someone higher saying “Eeh, probably not… a lot of grannys in Iowa are pissed about him living in a drug house, he’s not on the team anymore, and I don’t feel like losing my job today.”
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You have been wrong throughout this portion of the tread.
The University can’t do anything about it? Yes, they can. They may get a little bad press, but the press isn’t always right. Did the University of Miami pretend that their thug teams didn’t exist? Fuck no man. It’s a question of whether they WANT to own it, and our university decided that it’d probably be easier to just flush it.
Giffords? Shit, Marv Alberts and OJ Simpson have both been back on television, public perception be damned.
Everyday folks like you and me… except they have no integrity. “Let me tell you about another group of people who were ‘just doing their jobs’!”
Don’t blame the PR folks… why not? They chose their profession, and continue to perpetuate the “atmosphere.”
Forces them to abandon the kids? Again, that’s the schools choice. Would there be fallout? Definitely. And they could teach their students that it’s important to stand up for what you believe in, and not just cut and run whenever the going gets a little messy.
Evil people in offices? Hell no, they aren’t all evil, but they aren’t pricipled either.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Respectfully disagree...
PR people aren’t the ones who accept Michael Jackson but are revolted at Michael Vick. That’s Genpop, baby.
UIPR has a job to do – and right or wrong – they need to provide the most professional image that raises the least amount of questions possible. That means not putting kids on highlight videos that were booted from the team.
Give A-Rob a year, maybe he gets back on the team, UI forgets all about it. All is well – just like Marv or OJ.
Obviously every school has its own policies in regards to these things. Miami, which sits in a city with a substantially higher crime rate than IC, may not feel as compelled to control their image.
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You're grasping at straws.
Try again.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 22, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
tl;dr
Too many counterpoints. Not sure where to start.
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So,
you’re saying that drowning kittens makes one evil?
/quietly empties bucket of water while whistling innocently.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
+1
Ma'am, you're dealing here with a fully qualified male strumpet. I service the entire Quad Cities area: Moline, Rock Island, Davenport and Bettendorf. Why don't you give it a whirl? What have you got to lose? - Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute
The post just said drowning is evil
You can still waterboard the furry little vermin.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Apr 22, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Meow that's just wrong.
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by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Ferentz has
been arrested TWICE for public intox. In the eyes of the law, what A-Rob and DJK did were no more serious than all the DUIs, etc. that he treats lightly. My opinion of Ferentz will never be the same. What a petty, vindictive prick.
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Apr 21, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
The authorities will now know where to look
when the Ferentz home gets TP’d, their lawn salted, and their dog spray-painted
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
then, as stated, why are Reiff, Ferentz, and Stanzi in the video?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Because their incidents didn't get them booted.
Fair or not, that’s why.
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You do realize you're just making something up and completely speculating, right?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
As is everyone on this thread....
There’s a lot of blame on KF in here and for all we know Evashevski might’ve edited the video from the grave.
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Everyone is. Most people aren't positing it as the absolute truth. Some are, sure.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Drugs != Beer
The state and federal prison systems aren’t overcrowded with moonshiners and bootleggers.
Third offense PAULA maximum sentence is a driver’s license suspension and $500 fine.
Third offense possession of marijuana is up to $1000 fine and 2 year jail term. Penalties for other controlled substances are even harsher.
They certainly are not the same in the eyes of the law.
Brunettes not fighter jets
/resisting the urge to go political with that....
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by ClaybornSmash on Apr 22, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
JUST SAY NO
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You'll note that I made no judgements of my personal stance on whether or not those laws are just
That was intentional.
Carry on.
Brunettes not fighter jets
I know it's an attempt at humor here
But it’s a pet peeve of mine when people compare ordinary situations to Nazi Germany, and in turn, the Holocaust. It belittles that very important moment that is best discussed soberly instead of frothily or in joke fashion.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I regret to inform you that I do not understand this burn.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah. That makes a little more sense.
All I know of von Ribbentrop is his characterization as boorish, elitist, and unsentimental. That would be appropriate then for that joke, I just didn’t get that in the placement.
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by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
The placement wasn't so enlightening
my comparison more was to insinuate that you are the front man for “The Organization” described above. Knowing that you are not, but perhaps acting as such to a degree in the present thread, this was meant as reciprocity for the aforementioned titles you gave to me.
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
I like you. You write like Nabokov.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, the sexist hippie would be an interesting character
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Gimme some of that free love, you woman of loose morals
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Happens to everyone.
Not everyone can apologize so quickly, though. Kudos.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Politics,
and all facets of life, would be better served if we, as a society, agreed to forever stopped comparing things/positions/philosophies we disagreed with to the Nazis. It is intellectually lazy and dishonest, not to mention insulting to the Nazis because they worked hard to be the purest manifestation of evil in history. Though Stalin was determined to fight that race to the wire.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
If I can't compare people to Naziism anymore...
…I guess I’ll have to get my mom a new birthday card.
Ma'am, you're dealing here with a fully qualified male strumpet. I service the entire Quad Cities area: Moline, Rock Island, Davenport and Bettendorf. Why don't you give it a whirl? What have you got to lose? - Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute
This might be the first time ever on BHGP
that Godwin’s Law has actually been true.
The comparison is overused its not even funny anymore because people actually believe it.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Apr 22, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
C'mon, now
Nazi jokes are a little bit funny.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Apr 22, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm cool with my stupid Obama-nazi pic getting deleted.
It was wrong of me to post it. I apologize.
But please allow me to post the mildly funny poem:
First they came for the communists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they told me to stop making Nazi/Holocaust jokes,
and I said “fuck that, this is America.” And then I posted:
[insert random absurd nazi/holocaust joke/photo here]
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Chazz, there are some things that are just always inappropriate
Using Niemöller’s quote to make a bad joke is probably one of them. Me wearing a size XS t-shirt is another.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Obama/Nazi picture?
Upset I missed that classy pix
"You taught me a lesson, I was going to give someone the benefit of doubt, and I almost did, then something said, no don't, don't, its not for you, its not my thing" Larry David,
Don't be.
It was pretty bad. Unintentionally so, but pretty bad.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 22, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Reggie is in the background of that picture sizing somebody up for a nut punch.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
I understand disagreeing with this move.
I can see both sides, and I honestly don’t care much one way or the other. But I understand criticizing KF for this even if I don’t completely agree with you. And it’s worth noting that there is a lot of information here that we don’t know.
What I don’t understand is calling Kirk Ferentz a dick. He has a hell of a track record at Iowa of proving that he is indeed not a dick, and he is beloved by an awful lot of people who have played for him, worked with him, worked against him, and just known him. No one I know who knows him (and several know him well) have a single bad thing to say about the guy.
There is certainly stuff to criticize, but the good vastly outweighs the bad, and the guy is not a dick.
by H I McDonnough on Apr 21, 2011 12:59 PM CDT reply actions
Well, there seems to be a trend of judging people's worth by a few bad decisions
so why shouldn’t that apply to Kirk as much as it does to the players? All evidence is that DJK and Arob aren’t bad people either and yet they get treated like personae non gratae for making a few mistakes. Benefit of the doubt should cut both ways.
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
You two can be such hippies sometimes.
The Man is always wrong and duplicitous, no lowly singular person can be held accountable for their actions.
Damn it, you make me sound like an old codger when I’m anything but.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Well that's because you mis-read me.
Sometimes I agree with The Man, but mostly it’s a de facto position against the assumption in society that “the establishment” can never be wrong.
And I hold everyone accountable for their own actions with the humanistic recognition there can be mitigating factors that aren’t simply black or white; simply put, that “shit happens,” to use the parlance of our times.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I was clearly oversimplifying your viewpoints
in favor of a silly throw-away joke. And I’m always glad you’re a person that can take it as such. It’s fun to disagree with people that can take a joke and fight back with intelligent vigor equally well.
FWIW, I am firmly in your shoes on a ton of topics, ideology, and everyday living, as I’ve found over the time I’ve spent here. Especially the ‘shit happens’ ethos or however you want to define that.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Prove that ARob and DJK only made a few bad decisions.
Define how many “a few” is and then relate every bad decision they made that was known about by the coaching staff, and show how that number is less than “too many.”
Brunettes not fighter jets
He doesn't have to be a dick to make a dick move.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Great comment, H I.
If I had one criticism of Ferentz, it would be all that weed that he traded to his 1970s girlfriends who he had impregnated. And then he waffled on those decisions, took back the weed, and just shoved the women down flights of stairs instead of letting them sell the weed to fund their abortions.
Grow a pair, man. Make a decision and stick with it.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I did a quick edit of Hawk highlights for 2010 ...
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Apr 21, 2011 2:14 PM CDT reply actions
You sonofabitch.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn it.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
On the plus side, maybe this is the beginning of Kirk turning over a new leaf: Kirk Ferentz v2.0: Total Dick.
If that means Iowa running up the score on people and going for 2 just to be mean and spiking balls in Cyclones’ faces and really asshole-ish trick plays, and savage (but basically totally unnecessary) blocks on the opposing QB during interception returns, then I’m all for it. Bring on the dick!
They should have sent a poet.
"Bring on the dick!"
Hey Bucket, are you aware that SEG got ahold of your login?
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
username: bucketochicken
password: kfcdbldown
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Apr 21, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
A rec, for you.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
nice. Now you need to do passwords for other famous BHGPers
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha, "famous."
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Um, dear god I hope that's cheese on there.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
So Mexican't won't eat you?
He’s in the area. In fact he may be outside your window right now.
/Robert Stack’d
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Staaaaannnziiii
Come back, baby….
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Apr 21, 2011 2:40 PM CDT reply actions
In the end
this is another example of the University not understanding the internet. This omission whether on purpose or not (and I think it is, and very vindictive) will be seen by the 17-19 year old kids thinking about Iowa (regardless of sport) that jump on Google to find out more about the school. They’ll hit places like this and it is not a good thing.
As much as KF is made out to be as a message control freak, he is completely behind the times… The overall ‘damage’ this does to the program as a whole is sad.
Did these kids fuck up? Sure, but what kid doesn’t…
When there isn’t an embrace, both ways (especially in today’s instant access world), it hurts both parties beyond the current situation. Omission of these kids is more than petty, it makes me think there is something we really don’t know. Maybe a tag team on Mrs. KF.
From December to today has been a complete fuck up, as far as I’m concerned.
The consistent, never-ending
self-inflicted PR wounds are really beginning to wear on me.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
If DJK and ARob were in the video
There would be complaining just the same, just from different people.
Brunettes not fighter jets
Probably
the thread wouldn’t be as long, but everyone here would just reverse their positions.
But I maintain that, whatever the relative merits of the decisions regarding individual players, this has been a long, seemingly never-ending nightmare of stupid, amateur-ish PR blunders, most of the easily avoided.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I don't know, but I hope to God he doesn't smoke weed
Unless, you know, White Magic doesn’t have a problem with the Sticky Green.
The return of John Lickliter would be less shocking.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Magic Johnson cancelled on appearance at Carver,
to make another one. THE MAGIC IS BACK, AND HE’S A HAWK!
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe it was an accident
And just stay with me on this one.
A few weeks ago, Kirk decided it was high time to learn some computer skills, so he was going to do the highlight video. He told the staff to dig up some great plays and put them on a laptop so he could compile them over the weekend. He set aside those awesome A-Rob and DJK plays in the recycle bin because hey, if people are going to be watching them over and over that’s recycling, right? Unfortunately, this was a UI laptop and it was setup so that when you put someting in the bin, it just deletes it. Now, he goes to grab them and , nuts. They’re gone. What the hell. It’s Sunday afternoon, he knows he screwed up, and he’s about outta time here. He has meetings and stuff all week. Plus he promised Mary he’d get the mashed potatoes going before she came home. So he slapped together what he had and called it a day. There was no other choice.
The video staff tried to point out that he had left out those awesome plays, but you know how you can get all defensive when you fuck up? Yeah, he did that. So they didn’t push the issue, they just did a little polishing work and uploaded it.
See, he tried. He really, really tried. It just didn’t work out.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
by Flakbait on Apr 21, 2011 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Keeping Robinson and DJK out of the highlights
doesn’t make people forget about them forever. Also, how are they going to handle DJK’s receiving record?
by blackngoldfalls on Apr 21, 2011 4:20 PM CDT reply actions
*JK
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they'll put/keep DJK in the record book,
and hope like hell that somebody gets, um, higher than him.
On the other hand, he’s not in there yet. But I can’t tell when they’ve updated that page:
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/a-rec-individual.html
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
A B C E F G H I L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
by The Final Gun on Apr 23, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Clever
I like it.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Who are these people you speak of?
DJsomething? ABob?
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
I've seen the football offices at Iowa
Ferentz’s office is about 30 feet down the hall from the video guys. Just saying.
'They are who we thought they were!'
Great post, Patrick.
A couple of things:
People who inhabit executive roles in universities and colleges almost always confuse the institution with their own personal property. It’s a decent speculation: Ferentz thinks he owns Iowa football. But these executives come and go. Tell me, in 30 years, that anyone will remember Sally Mason for anything. (This is not true of Sandy Boyd and Willard Hancher, by the way. They served their institution and everybody knows it. They solved problems and built an instituion. Mason manages her “constituencies”.) Ferentz should be better than Mason. Man-to-man, I still am convinced that Ferentz would say, “Iowa football is bigger than Kirk Ferentz.” However, this video, this high schoolish, dumb sequence of selected events, doesn’t support that speculation.
This is just a very tedious, predictable video made by someone who wants a job in Iowa City for the long-term. Football is a gritty, difficult game, not this sort of cotton candy BS that any homer at West High could assemble on a five-year-old laptop.
What makes Ferentz a good ball coach is that he is not a desperate provincial hoping to get his SUI sinecure established by sucking up to this or that personnel decision. Ferentz left, saw the world, made a mark in the world, got kicked around a bit, and brought the insights back. Bump Elliot was a great AD because of what he learned and lost elsewhere; Hayden Fry was a great coach because of what he learned and lost elsewhere. Dan Gable couldn’t get the job he wanted in Ames (he lost) and holy cow, did he have something to prove.
The corporate ethos that seems to characterize the athletic department is one that says, “I can’t possibly make a living in a competitive environment outside Iowa City. Whatever is, in River City, is right.” I think they’re a bunch of lightweights. I’m really disappointed in Ferentz for allowing this video to be released.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
by Bellanca on Apr 21, 2011 6:08 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
A-Rob.
I remain hopeful that Ferentz’ cryptic remarks about A-Rob’s second semester academic performance indicate that the kid gets another chance if he passes all of his classes. To say that he doesn’t get to play football anymore because he had several concussions and stopped going to class when he was 20 for one semester is just ludicrous. This is either a triple-AAA pro program, which dumps kids because they’re no longer economic, or it’s not. Alex Karras or Eddie Podolak could not stay on the team, according to these rules that we’re seeing.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
To say that he doesn’t get to play football anymore because he…stopped going to class when he was 20 for one semester is just ludicrous.
The NCAA is a cold hard bitch,
Just a kiss on the lips
And I was on my knees
I’m waiting, give me
Cold hard bitch
She was shakin’ her hips
That’s all that I need
Long live the Pelican Whore.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I just entered a wormhole. Or I'm on acid and don't remember taking it.
/headtotallyfuckingasplode
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
This is getting old.
This shit happened. Get over it. When a player gets kicked the fuck off a team he doesn’t make the team published highlight reel. I don’t see the UI putting out any propaganda featuring Pierre Pierce and I don’t hear any complaints about it. Don’t try and compare drinking to smoking pot or what Pierce did, those comparisons are irrelevant to this particular matter. Compare getting kicked off the team to not getting kicked off the team. One of those feats will get you included in future team highlight reels and one will not, case closed.
This is the most logical Iowa sports blog on the internet, which makes shit like this even more perplexing and annoying.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
by HawKCP on Apr 21, 2011 6:58 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Because, as the article points out, that shit has been discussed
ad nauseum. I get it, a lot of people on here don’t think there’s anything wrong with smoking pot and these kids shouldn’t have been punished so harshly. We’ve had that thread, fifteen fucking times.
The point here is that two players who were kicked off the team weren’t included in the team highlight reel. Read that statement again. Is there anything wrong with that?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Yes
And the reasons have been articulated like a million times in this thread. Did you even read it before you just made your angry “YOU CAN’T ARGUE WITH IT BECAUSE I SAID SO” post? They were a big part of the season and their crimes were not severe enough to warrant being completely erased from the team’s history. We’re just going to pretend that the leading receiver in the history of the school didn’t exist because he was charged with possession of pot?
And if you want to disagree with all of this, then fine
But don’t get all pissed off because people are daring to discuss it and make arguments for the other side.
What irritates me is that this is being used as an excuse to hop right back on the same old soap box.
It’s not the end of the world, I just figured I’d point out what’s happening.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Was Chazz not given shit for staying on his soap box with regard to the drug issue?
I guess it’s only allowed for those who agree with the majority.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
People argued with him and disagreed with his opinion. I don’t recall anyone saying he shouldn’t be allowed to express it.
I believe that may have been said by a few
HawKCP and Chazz are quite able to defend themselves, but thought I’d point out that I agree with HawKCP that disagreeing with the majority can be more treacherous on this blog (at times, not always) than would be assumed
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes the majority is right and disagreeing is being ignorant.sometimes.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
that's a heavy hammer you just tapped me with
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I apologize for not getting the reference/point.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
you tiptoed around calling me the heavy word of 'ignorant'
I apologize for being cryptic in an attempt at humor
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh,gotcha.
It wasn’t directed at you personally, which is why I probably didn’t get it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
While the majority here can be vocal at times on things important to them...
There isn’t a tyranny of the majority. IMHO, at least. If you want to say something, you can. You can even say stupid or inaccurate shit. But you must be prepared to be rebutted or have your inaccuracies pointed out, and be able to defend them. If not, then may God have mercy on your soul, because nobody on here will. Even then, you won’t get the hammer for voicing an unpopular opinion.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Apr 21, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Look, it's not really worth discussing.
It’s the lay of the land. I accept it.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Everyone has the right to freedom of speech
What you don’t have is the right to be free from the consequences. If what you say is rather unpopular, then you shouldn’t be surprised when the majority shuns you. It is actually a testament to your, as well as that of Chazz’s, that you are willing to continue to stand up and cogently and intelligently (less so in Chazz’s case – kidding!) argue a position that you believe firmly in and that you know cuts against the opinion of a (presumed) majority of the people here.
That being said, you’re still wrong and a doody-head.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
HawKCP
Didn’t Pat already have to talk to you about the
“I guess it’s only allowed”
shit a while back? Why do you keep bringing it up?
(Not tryin to hate. Just giving you a hard time.)
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
So the Father of a convent is riding his bicycle to the market
and he has to go throw a rather seedy part of town. While passing by the docks he goes by a hooker on the side of the road who shouts at him, “Head, fifty dollars! Head, fifty dollars!” Father gives her a strange look and just keeps on riding.
Father gets his items at the market and takes the same route back to the convent. On his way through the docks the same hooker is standing by the road at the same spot. Again, as he passes by she shouts at him, “Head, fifty dollars! Head, fifty dollars!” Again, Father gets a perplexed look on his face and again he just keeps on riding.
When he gets back to the convent Father goes to the head nun and says, “Excuse me Sister, would you mind if I asked you a question?”
“Of course not Father. What is on your mind?”
“Well, I was wondering if you could tell me, what is, umm, head?”
“Fifty dollars, Father, same as at the docks.”
/didn’t really know how to respond to your comment.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
No no
that was absolutely the correct response
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
it is a slow day man.
Just ignore it, instead of implying that people are stupid.
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
Nah, I didn't do that.
I stated that people weren’t applying logic to their arguments but I didn’t call anyone stupid. I believe that others attempted to make it personal against me, but I’m alright with that. Say hello to the Bad Guy.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Dude
I didn’t call anyone, anything. I wrote that shit like this is illogical. That’s not a personal attack on anyone. It’s a broad statement about the topic at hand and the manner in which it’s being discussed.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Hello, Bad Guy!
Keep up the good work.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
"this is being used as an excuse to hop right back on the same old soap box"
Actually it’s been used to discuss gardening, the new b-ball PG, finance, KFC chicken, German politics, the double-standard of man-boobs, and ancient Egypt.
This is an “epic thread” so just sit back and relax. Let the soothing sounds take hold… the relaxing sounds of…
HIVEMIND
one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll probably catch up on the good stuff later.
On my first perusal I got through about 50 comments and got fed up and headed straight for my own soap box.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Pierce got kicked off the team mid-season, right?
Now I can’t remember. So are you implying that he should have been including in that season’s team-produced highlight reel?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
What Pierre Pierce did was significantly worse than possession of pot, and he did twice
No one is defending Pierre Pierce or saying he got a raw deal, and you should leave that strawman alone.
Your issue here seems to be that you think every single offense that gets someone kicked off the team is equally bad and deserves the same treatment. I don’t agree.
You're clouding the issue.
It’s black and white. Some people make the highlight video and some people don’t. Those who get kicked off the team, for whatever reason, don’t make the video.
You can argue that they shouldn’t have been kicked off the team, I’m sure you have. However, once the deed is done the peripheral effects come along with it.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Oh I don't know exactly where the line is.
Team highlight video – no. Historical record books – yes. Pro Day – no. Kicked out of University – no.
There’s a start.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
You're not really giving a reason for why this is the line though
Other than “that’s what Kirk Ferentz said it is” I guess? Which doesn’t seem like a very compelling argument to me.
It's the same line that everyone applies.
I’m just saying that these guys should be treated like any other player that got kicked off a team, regardless of the reason they got kicked off.
I don’t care where the line is or isn’t, I just recognize and accept it.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
So because that's what Ferentz has decided it's automatically right?
Really? Dude isn’t infallible or something.
I mean if you want to just accept this as how it is, that’s fine. But I don’t see why everyone has to, or why alternatives can’t be discussed.
It's not Ferentz who has set the line.
When a player gets kicked off a team, that team begins the process of distancing itself from that player. This is part of that process. Ferentz didn’t develop it, he’s simply following it.
(Foreshadowing: NorseHawk makes a comment about everyone in the world jumping off a cliff.)
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
That would be silly and cliche!
You still haven’t said why this line is so absolute and beyond reproach that we can’t disagree with it, which is still my issue with your argument.
Because the whole reason why you kick someone off your team is to distance yourself from them.
These players weren’t kicked off the team to free up a scholarship, they were kicked off the team because their actions were deemed bad enough that they no longer deserve to be associated with the program.
Good enough?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
It's at least a reason, kind of!
Just not one that I really agree with, for reasons we’ve already gone over.. Can’t you at least acknowledge that the other side isn’t so completely illogical that it doesn’t even warrant discussion?
How about this standard:
Players who stayed on the team, or eligible, or died trying (I love you, Chris Street), stay on the video.
Players who transfer, quit school or the team (I’m looking at you, BW3), or get thrown off for disciplinary issues before the end of that season, don’t go on that highlight video.
It is sort of like, while Nile Kinnick may be the greatest American short of Lincoln, Washinton, or MLK Jr, the Air Force isn’t going to be putting his last flight on any instructional videos.
/too soon’d
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Why be reasonable for the first half
And then throw out that unhumorous bomb in the second half? You just can’t help yourself, can you?
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
A leopard can't change its stripes, dude.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait a minute
Your self-depictions on here have been considerably unleopardian.
/you’re normally in the minority so I must mock you’d
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
You've grown through the years.
But I remember hearing that Nile crashed in an attempt to not kill his shipmates (don’t know if it’s true though), so he may go in a manual.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
If for no other reason
than the fact that he was in the FUCKING NAVY
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
"Dude isn't infallible or something."
Yeah, he’s not the Pope.
Or is he? I mean, have you ever seen Benedict XVI and KF at the same place at the same time? I’m just saying…
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Rec'd for the other logical alternative.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
What you're really saying
is that you have made a decision and you don’t want anybody to argue with it. If they disagree, it should be done in silence.
Sounds like what we’ve come to expect out of Ferentz.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Nah, I think you're missing the point.
I would think that anyone who has paid any attention to my comments on here would know that I’m the last person to try and silence dissenting opinions. That’s about all I have to say about that.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
You're damn right
that this is the most logical sports blog on the interwebs — that’s exactly why we’re having this conversation. If we weren’t, we’d be like those fucks over at Eleven Warriors or Our Honor Defend. It’s healthy that we don’t all drink the kool-aid (all the time). You don’t think the subject is worthy of discussion? Point taken.
Oh, BTW, I agree that one should never compare drinking alcohol to smoking pot: In 2009, drunk driving fatalities accounted for 32% of all traffic deaths — on average someone is killed in an alcohol-impaired driving crash about every 50 minutes in the U.S. (Source: NHTSA/FARS, 2010). Any rational person can see that smoking a joint is infinitely more dangerous than drinking!
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Apr 22, 2011 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions
You know, I kinda feel like I fall between the two Ferentz camps.
Perhaps that’s why I don’t talk that much about it.
But am I just crazy for thinking we’re maybe reading a bit too much into this?
"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs
by ReadingRambler on Apr 21, 2011 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Probably to a degree
I don’t think there would really be much fallout whether they were included or not. I am just not a big fan of the peevish attitude coming out of Iowa City lately.
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
You have to pick a side.
Everything is binary, there is no gray area anywhere with any issue, and all are absolutes.
/simpleminded’d
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't you... forget about me...
don’t don’t don’t don’t… don’t youuuuu… forget
what? oh?
/does the Bender
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
I agree with Rambler.
But David Taylor still choked.
/I feel better.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, it's turned into a deeper conversation
not so much about the video itself as about gardening, the new b-ball PG, finance, KFC chicken, German politics, the double-standard of man-boobs, and ancient Egypt.
This is an "epic thread" so just sit back and relax. Let the soothing sounds take hold… the relaxing sounds of…
HIVEMIND
one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us one of us
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Would you rather
we discuss what I heard Rob Bolden’s dad supposedly said at the water cooler today?
Too soon?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Rumor has it that he said Zinn and Ambrose were America's finest historians.
If that’s true, then I say goodbye to both he, his son, and the ignorant horse they rode in on.
"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs
by ReadingRambler on Apr 22, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Can we please
drop this whole Zinn discussion?
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Apr 22, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Who the hell is "Zinn"?
"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs
by ReadingRambler on Apr 22, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Famed historian Howard Zinn.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't really care that much one way or the other, either...
but they were conspicuously absent. (I watched the video before reading the rest of the post, and definitely noticed no DJK or A-Rob.)
Let’s redirect. I didn’t notice Binns’s interception returned for a TD in the highlights, either. Foreshadowing to him getting kicked off the team? (Actually, now that I think about it… were there highlights from any of the losses? No Binns vs. Arizona, no DJK kick return vs. Minnesota—most likely for other reasons—were there any other highlight-reel worthy plays from the losses that did or didn’t make the video?)
It was there.
I think. Just a shitty angle.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 22, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Just watched it again.
There was a sack from the Arizona game, but if the Binns INT was there, I’m still missing it.
It might be this . . .
KF grew up in a household with a Greatest Generation father. He played Pony League baseball. Hell, might’ve been a Boy Scout. He sees the world a certain way, probably not a lot of gray area in that world. He didn’t grow up that way. Not every kid got a medal for showing up in 1967 kid baseball. Self-esteem was formed within, not handed out at the door.
That said, I can’t count the times I’ve heard KF’s voice start to break in reference to players and their efforts and sacrifices. It’s a fascinating duality that I don’t think I could ever fully comprehend or explain.
It might boil down to this: KF is a football coach. He knew he wanted to be a football coach for his life’s work, I think, when he was a sophomore in high school. There’s a inherent hardness to that title. You throw your arms around everyone and allow six strikes to players, you’re probably Dave Campo. Coaches are buildings and the players are the bricks. If a coach sees an unsteady brick, he eventually has to find another or everything is at risk. You can spackle only so much. It’s a simplistic analogy, I know, but I’ve had laughing gas today (dentist).
I used to think the perfect coach would be part Lombardi and part Leo Buscaglia, but I really don’t think there’s room for unconditional positive regard in high-level football, at least winning high-level football.
"I always like it better when the clowns seem to try to be happy."
Tom Brands is a pretty big hardass
and I see him dealing with these issues better than Kirk
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
He's also under waaaaaaaaaaaaay less/smaller of a microscope.
Among sports fans, most everyone knows who KF is. Comparatively, no one knows who Brands is. But otherwise I totally agree.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but this ticky tack stuff (e.g., highlight video, Texas v US game)
isn’t really under a big microscope either.
Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen
True enough.
But even among Iowa fans, the microscopes are vastly different in size and uh, scope.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
How has Brands handled this stuff soooo much better?
Didn’t Montell have some other issue before the DUI?
I just looked it up, Marion had a public intox and a willful injury before the DUI and he’s back on the team?
I’d say that makes Brands looks like a pushove…ow.
/Brands just pinned me.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Great stuff as usual Senior MasCasa
That’s my thing about Ferentz. He’s just so good at the public persona that it’s really easy to forget that he’s not actually that person (at least not completely). We see a near-constant poker face and are left to try to glean information by probing the nuance and reading between the lines of press releases and highlight videos.
But I don’t blame the guy, and think he usually pulls it off perfectly.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Totally agree
I try to ask questions that he needs to answer. Even a lot of those don’t come with a direct answer.
I think he says what he means with some of the things he does, if that makes sense.
Also, in this case, we don’t have all the info. I do know that ARob was told during his suspension for violations (plural) to “keep a low profile.” Pot citation. We know the police file, but we don’t know what Ferentz knew about practice, academics and the little things that don’t make the blotter but keep a kid in the proverbial doghouse.
I think we all can agree there was “aggravation” with DJK before the arrest. What that was, we don’t know.
It’s an impossibly complex job that requires nuance, a sledgehammer and the nerve of a sniper. It frightens me what we don’t know. It’s like an iceberg. I think we only see like 9 percent of Iowa football.
"I always like it better when the clowns seem to try to be happy."
by MarcMorehouse on Apr 22, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
It comforts me what we don't know. 9% might even be too much.
College FB players have an unfair level of responsibility at this point. These are young men making inevitable young men-type mistakes with their own lives and futures that could be drastically affected if we knew the whole truth. In the end, KF may be doing an admirable job of keeping that iceberg hidden.
On a related note, it’s the reason I still love and get chills from “I’m a MAN, I”M FORTY!" when he defends his players and the reason I don’t have much issue with what Tressel recently did in laying low on a very minor transgression among his players.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
This 100%
College FB players have an unfair level of responsibility at this point.
A FB player I tutored last year who I’ve become good friends with had to stop being an engineering major because of the conflict of time. He is certainly smart enough to do well in engineering, but with 4ish hours of class, then practice/weights/tapes/etc. and team eats, it isn’t before 8 PM when he can start homework.
It’s unfortunate that this is what “student” athletes have become.
I understand . . .
You know, the nature of my job . . .
That’s stunningly depressing Boiler. I have heard that before. A kid who played with the CR RoughRiders. He was a math genius. Went to an engineering school (not RPI). Didn’t major in engineering because the academic commitment and the sport didn’t go together. Kid’s still playing hockey and getting paid, so it was worth it for at least the short term.
Coker is kind of my canary in a coalmine here. He has fantastic academic goals. I hope he realizes them, and. of course, his football dreams, too.
Great discussion! I think BHGP is the only place on the net where it usually doesn’t degenerate into flame crap. Well done!
"I always like it better when the clowns seem to try to be happy."
by MarcMorehouse on Apr 22, 2011 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I realized shortly after my comment above
That the first paragraph was pretty much a poke in the eye for your chosen profession that you do so well. Sorry about that.
And much agreed on the last point you make there. I love this place. It’s an oasis.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'd rather see Coker quit football than give up his academic dreams.
If he can do both, more power to him. Even just considering a major that intensive while juggling the demands of big-time college football is pretty amazing, much less being able to make it all the way through. How awesome would it be, if in the future he’s not playing in the NFL, but is lead project coordinator at the Jet Propulsion Lab. Or hell, both?
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 22, 2011 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Big time academic goals and football can mesh.
Myron Rolle did it. There’s no telling just how difficult that was, however. It certainly takes a special individual.
by The Mexican't on Apr 22, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Come on, man.
We need Coker, and he only has about 5 years (or longer if an NFL career develops) to be a Hawkeye (for my entertainment).
But, you can go to college and live in the library in your late 20s or early 30s.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Coker is a great story,
I’d love to see him prevail both academically and athletically. As well as Vandenberg. If I’m not mistaken, he’s taking Organic Chemistry 1 and 2. Those aren’t classes you take for fun so I imagine he’s taking other high level classes. This leads to a great question: Will any team in the B1G have a smarter backfield than Iowa?
My hat is off to anyone who survives Org I/II & Organic Lab
Even with a tutor for II & a helpful PiKe in lab, I made it thru by the skin of my teeth. & I wasn’t trying to balance them with playing a major college sport (unless serious dedication to partying has moved up from club-level). Those classes are not for the faint of heart.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 22, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
There's so much wrong with this
…and the reason I don’t have much issue with what Tressel recently did in laying low on a very minor transgression among his players.
but that would take us way, WAY off topic (which we never do hear). I do agree with the general sentiment you express, however.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Perfect analogy.
Great post.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 22, 2011 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow, seems I've come a little late to the party.
But here comes comment # 381 anyway.
I love trying to figure out Kirk Ferentz, but man it ain’t easy. The great stuff is right out in the open: the tears, the testimonials from former players, the gifts to the hospital. This is 95% of what we see, and it’s right there in the open.
But there is another side to the man, and that other 5% is where the interesting stuff—“the rub” as the Bard might have phrased it—truly lies. He can be prickly, as we’ve seen in some press conferences. He can be maddeningly vague and obtuse sometimes when pressed with a tough question. He sometimes makes ill-advised decisions, sometimes acts with a bunker mentality.
In other words, he’s human. He ain’t perfect. We WANT him to be perfect, like Ward Cleaver with Paterno-like football coaching skills, but that’s not him. That’s not ANYONE. Hell, as much as we all probably admire our own fathers, love them to death there’s still a dark side to most of them, even if we haven’t seen it.
The reason DJK and A Rob aren’t in the videos is that KF no longers considers them Hawks, period. They were booted. They are gone. And it was a conscious decision. Someone probably asked KF about them, and he said “if they were kicked off the team, they’re kicked off the video.” I think it’s as simple as that. I don’t even know if he truly thought out the implications of that statement, but I’m sure he had control over the results.
Personally, I think it’s kind of petty, especially for A Rob, who ended his career with two concussions (and there can be debate as to whether they contribute to some of his mis-deeds). If the video is an in-house thing, meant only for recruits and banquets, then I have no problem with it—edit it as you wish. But if it’s going “public”, as part of the documentary record of the season, then it’s a mistake. DJK and A Rob were Hawks, they contributed to the effort this season, they remained “eligible” (in NCAA terms), they played as a matter of historical record. Warts and all, they should be in the video—let US, the viewer, debate their merits. Don’t “hide” them from us because you feel they let people down and got the boot. I think this was Kirk’s way of “protecting” the program, though from what, exactly, I’m not really sure of. Embarrassment? At this point, I think a lot of people think the Rhabdo crisis was a bigger black eye than the Adventures of the Doobie Bros.
Speaking of which, there’s the ACOY award, the initial ACOY award which, by co-inky-dink was just awarded to Chris Doyle. It’s understandable to me, though I may not necessarily agree with it. Why is it understandable? A lot of people don’t like military analogies applies to football, but unfortunately they are so often apropos: the coaching staff is like an army command post, and when the shit hits you hunker down, take it, then get back up and fuck ‘em all we survived! Most of all YOU NEVER LEAVE A MAN BEHIND. Is there anyplace more typical of the “Marine Corps Principle” than a football team? You’re isolated, you work so hard you puke, you have no free time, you travel all over hell, and what sometimes gets you through it—coach or player—is that you won’t let down the guy next to you. And in turn, he won’t let you down.
We can debate the demerits or merits of the workout in question, but when push comes to shove, Ferentz would be willing to pull-rush a pack of mad dogs to defend his strength coach. The media? FUCK’ EM. Not only am I not firing my strength coach, not only am I not disciplining my strength coach, I AM GOING TO GIVE HIM A GODDAMN AWARD AND THERE’S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
NEVER leave a man behind! Sometimes a battle lost brings the men together more strongly than a battle won. But win or lose, you stick together. And you never shit on the guy next to you, especially with people watching.
Again, the merits of such an approach can be debated—much of it is admirable, and such loyalty in the face of criticism is oft-celebrated in our society. And there’s few men more loyal to his staff than Ferentz, probably the only 10+ year head coach NEVER (to my knowledge) to have fired an assistant.
Regardless, that’s how I see it. At heart, whether we think him right or wrong, he’s doing what he thinks best for the program. Some may disagree (in fact, I do: I wish DJK and A Rob were in the video, and I think it a little brash to name Doyle ACOY so soon after the Rhabdo crisis). But I understand it, and—I think—the motives behind it. And that helps me not get mad about it.
Because, really, if any of US were in the same spot, who’s to say we wouldn’t have done the same thing?
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Apr 21, 2011 7:23 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I don't want him to be perfect.
That would mean that threads like this would never exist. And that would truly suck.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Hear, hear.
The Director should be required reading.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Director's post inspired a couple questions:
A) How many guys did we have get injured and miss a full game or more this year? Nielsen, Hampton, Tarp, A-Rob. Anyone else? Doesn’t conditioning have at least a little to do with the reasonably low injury rate? So, doesn’t Doyle deserve plenty of credit for that?
B) Did Hayden fire any assistants?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know what conditioning would have to do with broken necks.
Seriously, is there a way to prevent that? Would stronger neck muscles lead to a “snap” vs. “bend but don’t break” type action? Honestly asking here, no sarcasm at all.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Apr 21, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
There is definitely such a thing as strengthening your neck. There are muscles at play.
I would imagine a person with a stronger neck would be less susceptible to many neck injuries. That’s just a guess though.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
I had noticed that there were muscles in the neck.
I was wondering about what effect they had beyond keeping my chin off my chest though. And they are spectacularly ineffective at that when I have a belly full of beer, which makes me think they might not be so useful at other times maybe.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Apr 21, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just thinking that in terms of resistance against jerky motions a stronger neck would be more able to maintain.
And I would guess jerky neck motions are often times the culprit when it comes to neck injuries.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
So what you're saying is
that it’s easy to see which of these Iowa LBs from last year is most susceptible to neck injury:

And that we need to recruit more guys like Takeo Spikes:
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 21, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a difference between large and strong.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Spikes looks like he swallowed a traffic cone.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
going back a few years
Take Merton Hanks, he didn’t hurt his neck in football and I have never seen a neck more susceptible to injury. He had the neck of a brontosaurus.
If I was more skilled at the internets I would post a photo or link.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Apr 22, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Here ya go

They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 22, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice to see the adam's apple there
so it doesn’t look like he has, you know, a penis on top of his body.
Nah. It still does.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Apr 22, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
What about this, then?

They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 22, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I hate you so much right now.
At least you had a helmet on his head on and not covered in rich, lathery “shampoo”.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Apr 22, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Ballin' is dangerous. You gotta wear a helmet.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 22, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is why you are my favorite poster here.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Apr 22, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a hell of a goiter
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Apr 22, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, I'd totally forgotten about Merton
He was an odd-looking dude yet a very cool cat.
The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.
by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 22, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
In high school football,
we used to stretch our necks during calisthenics/warmups.
One guy would get down on all fours, and either push his helmet against the side of another guy’s knee, or have a standing teammate grab the helmet and very slowly stretch the neck. Then, the guys would reverse, and repeat the process.
Now that I think about it, it seems pretty gay. And if I’d typed that two or three years ago, I’d have meant that as an insult, but now I’m just trying to be descriptive.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking mighty oak vs. flexible pine.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Apr 21, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure the conditioning is meant to minimize injury potential.
I’m also just as sure that necks and spines are injured as a result of unique factors, too, that might not be easily controlled or prevented, ie individual anatomy, and the type of hit one suffers on it (angle and degree of force, for example). Everyone knows someone with an inexplicable terrible back problem—I mean, why THEM? All you can do, I think, is teach good technique and strengthen the area as best you can, and hope nothing happens.
As for Doyle, his bona fide’s as a trainer are well known, as is his value to the program. I’m still torn about the “award,” as I am with any award that may be given for reasons other than what the award is stated to be—in other words, without Rhabdo-gate, would there have BEEN an award at all? I think most of us doubt it.
Oddly, Doyle has come under message board criticism in the past for a few things, usually when we have a rash of RB knee injuries or a defense that is sucking air in the 4th quarter. I don’t contribute to those threads, but I have noted them. It’s a fickle world out there, that’s for sure.
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by The Director on Apr 21, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Fickle to be sure.
I like the way you put things TD.
I wouldn’t be so unsure of the award, even if it is a giant “Fuck You” to all the critics.
Let’s say you’re a salesperson with a very brash sales style that tends to get far superior results to any of your peers. Everyone other sales person is exactly the same as the next. They read the sales books and ape the shit written in them. Their clients awkwardly sit through “consultative” sales call after “consultative” sales call and continue to send them business for reasons that have nothing to do with the salesperson.
Your boss knows exactly what you do, how you do it, and encourages you every step of the way. He knows that he couldn’t do it any better himself and he couldn’t find anyone to do it half as good.
One day, your brash style bites you in the ass. You say the wrong thing to the wrong client and the combination several factors causes shit to blow up in your face. Your fuck up becomes publicly known and the peanut gallery starts to become more vocal. A bunch of people who have nothing to do with any of it start to chirp and it just pisses you off to no end, but there isn’t much you can do.
As irritated as you are, your boss is even more pissed. He’s coming under fire for his star pupil doing his thing and all he can do is smile and sit through meetings where he’s apologizing to people who don’t have a fucking clue, for things he’s not the least bit sorry about.
So the storm has blown over. Now the bosses only concern is that his best salesperson and biggest asset may be a little gun shy. He needs you to get right back on the horse without fear, both of your jobs depend on it, now more than ever. He can do lip service and give you the same old played out speeches but he knows that’s not going to accomplish anything.
He decides that there’s only one way to squash this thing for your sake and for his sake once and for all. He’s got to send a message. Not so much to you, but to everyone else. To your coworkers, your clients, your competitors, and your critics; especially your critics. He’s got to flip them all the bird.
The message he sends accomplishes more than any conversation at the bar over beers ever could. It’s the basketball coach getting t’d up on purpose. It’s Lou Piniella throwing the bases around the yard. Only it’s subtle and it’s professional but make no mistake, it means “Fuck You”.
What I’m trying to say is, if you have a problem with Chris Doyle and with RhabdoGate, Kirk Ferentz has a message for you.
/not you Director, you’re the man.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
And believe me
this fan has heard it loud and clear!
What's your deal?
by PCarroll_u_sm(j)irk on Apr 22, 2011 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Speaking in TNielsen's case
I’m pretty sure the technique could have saved him, but it was a brutal collision that took Denard out too. Both guys got injured on the play. Nielsen brought the boom, but did so in a way that his vertibrae couldn’t handle. And his neck is already pretty big, so I don’t think it was a strength issue.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 21, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Josh Koeppel prolly shouldn't have walked away from that car crash.
I think you can thank Doyle for a saved life there.
I thought something similar,
but maybe Koeppel is just one of those really tough dudes. You know, like Bruce Willis in Unbreakable.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Ed Hinkel was too productive.
How about Bernstien, (or, depending on how this year goes, Nielsen).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 23, 2011 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's think about this...
How about Dan Persa? SLJ was obviously the bad person in the movie, so the Hawkeye equivalent would have to cause more harm than good. And jNW QBs never cause the Hawkeyes good.
I prefer not to think about Dan Persa.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 23, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Answering question B
Well not really. I don’t remember any of his assistants being fired, most of them moved on to other schools on their own. I haven’t been able to find a full list of his coaching tree, just the main branches. If anybody has one, or can put one together, it would be pretty interesting.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Apr 21, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
What I have found helpful,
is using the pictures of the bowl teams on the Hawkeye website. But then, if you can’t recognize faces, it is still difficult to come up with lesser-known coaches’ names.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 21, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
But even "moving on" doesn't necessarily tell the whole story
Very few assistants if any at all, under both Fry and Ferentz, have been “fired”, as that tends to denote a catasrophic failure of duty. But you have to wonder which moves are truly “voluntary” and not heavily encouraged. Or, less ominously, which moves have been a result of the particular coach looking up and seeing no room for advancement so they look to go elsewhere (Philbin, possibly Bielema and Long). Outright firings are rare in the ranks of college assistants, demotions less so, but the preferred method seems to be, ironically, “moving on”.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Good point
again, probably hard to track. Going from college to NFL is probably considered a promotion, and obviously moving to another team as say offensive coordinator from tight ends coach is a promotion. But moving from one team to another in the same capacity? Is that being fired and re-hired in the football club? I don’t know.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Apr 22, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe that I'm going to be the first to make this joke.
but no matter how much involvement KF had in the making of the above video, we have to give him some credit:
At least he isn’t spending the off-season ripping off 28-year-old Chevy Chase movies.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
Welcome to three days ago
Since you’re behind, I’ll go ahead and tell you that Wednesday’s Powerball numbers are 9-24-34-36-43 and 27. These are useless to us, but may be of value to the temporal vortex you find yourself in.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I learned about the ISU vid from BHGP a couple days ago,
I just hadn’t seen any jokes on this thread relating to that.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
If this was an official release, I'm disapointed...
I might be way off here but I was expecting a little better quality from our AD. Perhaps I have high standards when it comes to video editing and video quality but c’mon it feels like a junior high school kid made this video. No HD? Sound issues? Really? I guess I expect more from our Athletic Department.
"You want an honest answer? I have no idea."
-Kirk Ferentz
This site
Has really become a melting pot of personalities – which makes it fun. Ranging from HoyaGoon (who, without getting into any of the politics-like substances) that seems to be rather left-leaning to Chazz that are rather right-leaning and a wide range of those in between.
I see a middle ground in this whole thing that, after reading, seems to have been barely touched on. In an organization as heirarchical as the Iowa Football team is, it’s quite likely that the guy making the video put it together, realized Coach Ferentz might not exactly want Robinson and DJK in there, and took them out. Ferentz, being the head of the organization, spends 30 seconds watching the video on fast forward, sees nothing out of the ordinary and says “works for me”. Is he a dick for leaving them out? Well, obviously he’s a little bit of a dick because he’s given that video guy the impression he wouldn’t want them in there. Is he a petty, iron-fisted dick that singles out people to throw under the bus? Eh…I can’t jump that far.
The Director said it perfectly earlier. He gave the S&C coach that gave the biggest black eye the program has seen in years the ACOY award. Perhaps he’s supportive of his coaches but views his players as peons that don’t deserve his support. Maybe that’s true – but it doesn’t seem to line up with a long line of stories from other current and past players.
I guess I see a much easier answer to all of it – Ferentz is a bit of a dick; he and DJK flat did not get along and nobody but the two of them know why; and Robinson got exiled purely out of retarded timing. Imagine someone loses their shit on August 30, 2001 on an airplane and tries to get into the cockpit. They aren’t actually trying to crash the plane, just want to yell at the pilot. No imagine the same thing on October 30, 2001. That person is going to get beat to death by the other passengers on the plane. Same “crime”, much much different timing. Does that mean Ferentz is right? Hell no it doesn’t – but it means he’s human and lost a bit of perspective on the drugs situation, so he banhammered (looks at Vint et al hoping I avoid that) Robinson.
Having said all that – I certainly support Ferentz (and to a larger degree, coaches) because in every case, they have a lot more information than we do. I’m sure my head is in the sand, but I don’t see vindictive assholes at the top of every organization the way some do. Of course, I myself am a vindictive asshole, but I’m not at the top of my organization…
Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.
by benvious on Apr 22, 2011 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
That's what this thread was missing:
9-11 references.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Excellent point there
Kinda cancelled out by your Obama-Hitler pic, though.
Wouldn’t expect anything different. Keep on truckin, Chazz
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The difference?
My Obama-Hitler pic was meant as a complete absurdity.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I realize that.
It had more shock value than humor IMO but I kind of expect that from you on something like that. Hence the ‘keep on truckin’.
I don’t mean this to be an insult, but I think I’m one of the few people here who likes you.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess its all about "being cool."
A lot of people on here try to be funny. I’m one of them. We all succeed a certain percentage of the time. I know I’m not funny all of the time, but I do think some people on here like to trash me for no real reason at times (this Hitler-bama pic is not one of those times, I accept that it was too political and may tick some people off).
Also, I used to be more argumentative on BHGP, and that rubbed several people (including Ross and maybe OPS, HoyaGoon, maybe a few others) the wrong way. I’ve tried to be a little better about that, but it is too late, some of those people think of me in a negative light, and I won’t be able to change that. I hope they don’t flat-out hate me, because I come here to be educated (about the Hawkeyes), to be entertained, and to once in awhile entertain others. I can’t take BHGP too seriously, when they embrace the whole “Batshit Insanity” thing.
At this point, my persona on this site has become a meme. I try to roll with it, I try to evolve. I’ll never completely stop making dumb jokes, and I’ll never completely stop arguing about issues that I really believe in. But I do need to tone down my whiny-ness, and I think I am successful sometimes.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 22, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I like you just fine Chazz
Especially given I often share your…conservative…view of the world.
Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.
And mine was meant as a easily recognizable example of the impact of timing
Not as a shock value thing
Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.
well done
the best summary with a the middle of the road/dose of reality here. I would love to have a drink with anyone here, but it sounds like I would fit in best at your table.
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
by sailorjerry on Apr 25, 2011 2:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
and to demonstrate some anger
Chrissakes mobile typing, I would never say with a the, wtf?
I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.
by sailorjerry on Apr 25, 2011 2:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I have been pretty vocal in my distaste for Feretnz's in-game strategy
and handling of the program’s PR situations. This, however, hits me as a completely no-win situation for him. He would have taken just as much heat from the press and even potentially holier-than-thou parents if he were to have taken highlights of kids he dismissed for violating his trust and then used them for his own gain to bring new kids in.
We’ve established that Kirk is stubborn but he’s not stupid. He’s not asked anyone to forget these guys and has answered numerous questions on A-Rob instead of going coach-speak with shit like “my focus is on the players on my team”. He didn’t Tim Brewster DJK’s records and, to my knowledge, players on the team aren’t forbidden from mentioning the guys. I think if anything, the guy just wants to move on from what was a bitterly disappointing year for anyone with any sort of investment in the team.
If Iowa finished with 10 wins I don’t think I’m reading this column today.
Oh, and the Doyle thing is fucking weak. I’m sure it was a half-baked way of showing your S&C coach you’re still behind him but I’m pretty sure you already did that by, you know, not firing him.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Apr 22, 2011 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I think the "default" setting for the video...
…would be to include the dismissed players. I don’t think anyone would even bat an eye at that. But when they’re NOT there, especially when they scored important TD’s, only brings up the issues once again for discussion.
But I don’t consider Ferentz a “dick.” He has his reasons for doing what he did with the video and the ACOY award, and neither is truly hurting anyone in a material fashion. The video thing was petty, but not dicky. The ACOY thing was a brash if not in-your-face show of support for a valued asst, and maybe—behind the scenes—there’s a darn good reason for it (could Doyle be struggling with what happened? Has he talked of quitting? Did he need a public show of support to get him back on track?)
I won’t disagree that the video thing was petty, and the ACOY award a little “weak” on the surface. But in the big picture, no on will remember any of this come Labor Day weekend this fall. These things make for great debate in April, but will be forgotten come fall.
I do, however, wonder if the ACOY award will be quietly “retired” next season. I’m thinking…maybe.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Apr 22, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
This was my point from the beginning
The video thing was petty, but not dicky
I don’t necessarily think that KF is a dick. He’s done some dickish things, but then again so have I and I don’t consider myself a dick (although that could be wrong). IMHO I just think that the video thing was petty with no really good reason for it. I guess I just expected a little more from KF. Oh well.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Apr 22, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
If people can't avoid getting political, this thread will be shut down.
Period.
You all know the rules; play nice.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
your mom is political
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I have spent a lot of time reading
and re reading this thread
and perhaps i can distill my feelings in a way all can appreciate
something inside me says the highlight film should be a
historical rendition of last year
at that point no A or DJK makes it propoganda
if it is a KF promotional piece then that goes aways
and we can go on forever regarding motive et al
and we can all sing he did it my way
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
I finally got around to watching the video.
I questioned on this blog the other day whether or not Ferentz listens to rap music, that question was answered immediately in this video with Ferentz’s choice of rap music in the background. I also think Ferentz is a Grade-A asshole for not including the Kinnick flyover, what does he want us to pretend that didn’t happen? Well guess what Kirk, it happened. It’s part of the historical record.
Umm, Kirk, why no Insane Clown Posse. Seriously, Fuck the World, especially Lyle Lovett, whoever the fuck that is.
I also think that Kirk’s intentional omission of the Iowa State sad fans just proves that Kirk Ferentz hates geeks. I’m not positive that he and those sad fans sat down and had a conversation, but I’d have a hard time believing they haven’t (and really, if they haven’t that just proves that Ferentz is a dick and doesn’t care about anyone but his own obviously drunk 24/7, living off the government, son) and I am pretty sure that during that conversation he called them a racial slur meant to denigrate white people, fucking asshole.
Also, you know that guy that operates the Rouge River draw bridge in Delray on Jefferson? Fuck him!
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Now THAT is how you be a dick.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 22, 2011 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
When referring to me as a dick
I prefer that you use the phrase, “What a dick!” That way I can say, “Why, yes, yes it is. Thank you.”
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
What a pussy!
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 23, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm am sorry
but I just cannot stand idly by while you denigrate women with your absurd language. Do you understand the etymology of that word? Or did you just use it because you think masculinity and machismo make a man better while more “feminine” qualities make him a lesser man?
You can call my favorite football coach names if you want, but when you start disparaging an entire sex, you, sir, have crossed the line.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
What an asshole!
And not enough professor-speak wording. Nice work, though.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 23, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I was supposed to be going for professor-speak
FUCK YOU REPUBLICANS!
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
There is only one person who can make the peace between you two.
What are Spider-lady’s suggestions?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Apr 23, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Spider Chick is laying low for a little while
problems with her
hubby.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
I have thoroughly enjoyed this string of comments
Not as much as I always enjoy KCP’s sig, but close.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Apr 23, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuck it. The thing is, if I was a coach and you were kicked off my team, you wouldn't make my end of season highlight reel, either.
Next man fucking in. Even in the highlights.
I think it’s clear that this is a team that moves on and sends a clear message that we don’t dwell on the past. I’m ok with that. Injuries, recruiting, highlight reels, etc. You’re either with the team or you’re not. Done deal. KCRG or KWWL can make their own “comprehensive” highlight reel. The team will make one with guys that are on the team.
And while we’re speculating, I think the scenario where the video coordinator made most of the decisions and Ferentz signed off is closer to the accurate history.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Apr 23, 2011 12:01 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs



























