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On the Melrose Merchants, Kinnick Stadium, and the Continuing Evolution of Iowa City to Evanston

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It's been like a game of whack-a-mole: In the past ten years, the University of Iowa and City of Iowa City have shut down the Field House lot to tailgating (that one was probably deserved; it was a madhouse), shut down parking on Myrtle Hill (allegedly over concerns that cars would roll out onto Riverside Drive, despite no documented cases of anything like that happening in 20 years), eliminated re-entry to the stadium (a 9/11-inspired joke), and stepped up enforcement of the hard liquor rules (again, maybe deserved).  Last year, the University stepped over a line when it spent the first week of the season issuing citations to every fan on Melrose Avenue; Gary Barta stepped in and Public Safety relented slightly, though tailgaters are still largely unsure of where open containers are permitted and where they are not.  It ended in the oddest of ironies: University Heights, where cops outnumber residents and bicyclists are pulled over for speeding, was the safe spot to tailgate; at least there the rules made sense.  In the aftermath of that disaster, we said, "This has happened every year for over a decade, and it will happen again."

The hammer may be coming down again soon, and the mole is one of the most unlikely targets of all: The Melrose Avenue street vendors.  As Gregg Hennigan reported in the Gazette:

At its work session Monday night, the City Council in Iowa City will discuss a recommendation from city staff to ban the couple of dozen commercial vendors who sell food and apparel on Melrose Avenue immediately south of Kinnick Stadium during Iowa home football games.

The matter is not directly related to tailgating, but Ford believes the vendors are getting caught up in a broader attempt to clamp down on what some people have said is a tailgating scene gone wild. He is perhaps the best known of the vendors because of his trademark call imploring people to "get your big-ass turkey legs."

Neighbors, however, are sick of the trash and congestion on Melrose Avenue, Jean Walker, a representative of the Melrose Neighborhood Association, said in an email message.

"I would also add that it's heartbreakingly depressing to have our neighborhood turned into a disgusting mess on football game days," she said.

This is the most short-sighted and hopelessly flawed tailgating regulation yet.  Many have already pointed out that Kinnick Stadium was there when every current homeowner purchased their property (in fact, it was there when those homes were built).  Obviously the homeowners knew the Stadium, and the crowds that accompany it, would be on their street six or seven Saturdays a year.  To now feign outrage is disingenuous at best.

There's a more fundamental issue here, though, and it's not been discussed in anything I've read to date: The city's proposed regulation is almost entirely unrelated to the alleged problem, because the Melrose vendors create little to no garbage or traffic.  As stories have indicated, there are approximately 12-15 vendors on Melrose Avenue on gameday, mostly selling food and t-shirts.  None of the food operations are particularly large, and customers usually wear everything they've purchased from the apparel merchants out of the tent.  The amount of trash generated by this handful of merchants is miniscule.  And if the trash is miniscule, the traffic of walkers specifically going to the merchants is infinitesimal.  Melrose isn't prime territory for t-shirts and turkey legs because it suddenly sprung up as an independent marketplace.  It's there because it's across the street from the stadium, where foot traffic into and out of the stands is at its peak.  Shutting down these vendors will decrease traffic by about eight drunk sophomores stopping for a taco between tailgates, and last year's crackdown on open containers already got rid of most of their garbage.  This policy isn't going to work.  In fact, it won't change a thing.  And, as an Iowa fan who doesn't have a stick up your ass, that should worry you greatly.

Star-divide

The City representatives interviewed in Hennigan's story go out of their way to say this decision isn't about tailgating, and that you can continue to park your cars in the surrounding neighborhoods and eat some BBQ and drink a few adult sodey pops as you were before.  There's nothing to see here, folks.  They're just moving those dastardly Amish and their smoked meats out of your way.

When this does nothing to decrease traffic or trash, though, the There But For the Grace of God Go I Association of Greater Melrose Avenue (whose representative lives closer to the law school than the stadium) will demand more.  That's when Iowa City and the University will tell us the story of some poor soul who had a heart attack at a backyard tailgate and prohibit gameday parking at private residences.  As they showed last year with the ill-conceived Stadium Club, they have the authority to make this happen, or to at least make it so cost-prohibitive that area residents give up.  

This isn't about tailgating, they'll say; there's plenty of room for you to park and tailgate on University property, as long as you're willing to donate $500 a year or be harassed every Saturday morning by UIPS (which is completely the case now; you could openly drink vodka, inject yourself with black tar heroin, and strangle a puppy in a high-donor lot and never even get a second look from that UIPS officer who is clearly too busy giving an open container ticket to a 55-year-old walking across the Melrose bridge to his nosebleed seats).  If you can't afford that, end zone ticket holders, there's always that Coralville train thing (just don't make any plans for after the game, cheapskate!), or you can tailgate at the newly-created Mediacom Family Adventure Zone in Solon and take a school bus to the game!  One day in the not-so-distant future, you'll arrive in Iowa City for gameday, and you'll find the town you knew and loved has been replaced with Evanston, Illinois, where locals with houses near the stadium see football as an unavoidable nuisance and the game is greeted with all the hope and pageantry and warmth of a tornado.

I lived at 707 Melrose for my third year of law school.  For 358 days that year, it was a pretty miserable experience.  The daycare nextdoor would release the prisoners for their walk around the yard every morning at 8:30, making it impossible to sleep.  The University was constantly building onto the Hospital or tearing up the road, usually at odd hours.  One night during finals (a particularly awful week for any law student), University crews repaving a section of Melrose worked through the darkness, signaling cement trucks with horn blasts, leading me to threaten a University administrator with a nuisance lawsuit at 5:00 in the morning.  This is to say nothing for the typical traffic on the street outside, or the fights over parking spaces in the University-controlled lot behind our house, or the inherent problems of living with four other twentysomething student pushed to the brink of sanity on a weekly basis.  

It was horrible, and yet for seven Saturdays, it was fun.  For those seven days it was worth it, because we wanted the atmosphere.  We wanted a place for our friends to congregate, where we could meet opposing fans, where we could be in the middle of the action.  I doubt we were alone; in fact, I'm sure the vast majority of homeowners on Melrose Avenue itself feel that way today.  This isn't being driven by them, though (it bears repeating that this is being pushed by residents who don't actually live on Melrose Avenue, but in the surrounding neighborhood).  This is the City's pretense wrapped in the neighbors' outrage and put in a tiny box so that we won't even notice it's happened.  This isn't about turkey legs, ladies and gentlemen.  This is about tailgating.  And for those of us who went to the University of Iowa because we loved Iowa City, who lived there because it so decidedly wasn't Evanston, it's time we do something about it.  It's time we defend tailgating, because make no mistake about it: Tailgating is under attack, and Iowa City will go away with it.

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It's funny that you mention Evanston

Because my exact thought walking from the El to Dyche-Ryan-Mausoleum, down a street packed with other black and gold clad faithful, through a neighborhood with WWII era residences was that it was like walking down Melrose without the vendors or any of the festive atmosphere. Maybe Melrose area residents and/or city employees thought the same thing if they were there. The difference is that they preferred the sad scene in Evanston.

by PackerHawk on Apr 15, 2011 7:11 AM CDT reply actions  

"De-Evolution"

Technically, Evanston is a more primitive version with the attendance of Iowa games maybe circa 1890. I just wanted to emphasize the obvious and astronomical “step backwards”

"And after it was all over, he took us in the house and served us pancakes... pancakes." - Charlie Murphy

by Podolak Pimpin' on Apr 15, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

We consider it a warm, welcoming tornado...

Hey, if the football blows, something else should, too, right?

/collegeeducationpun

by MNWildcat on Apr 15, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

As far as the commercial zoning aspect

Do the property owners who allow the vendors collect rental fees? If so, who would receive the ticket? If it’s the property owners, then the only way to enforce the residential zoning equitably would be to prohibit the collection of any money for any space leased on game days. This should prohibit all property owners in the residential-zoned area south of Melrose from collecting parking fees, including the university.

While it’s been 5 years since I had a land use law course, I’m pretty sure that the city is opening themselves to a lawsuit from anybody who is prohibited from leasing their property for the conduct of a commercial enterprise if they don’t also fine anybody caught charging a parking fee. While this would probably be fine with Ms. Walker, I have a feeling it would create more of a backlash than they’re currently anticipating.

by PackerHawk on Apr 15, 2011 7:17 AM CDT reply actions  

I know I am clearly in the minority..

But I wasn’t really upset at the drinking crackdown the last couple of years. I don’t have a problem with drinking, I just don’t feel personally driven to have to be buzzed to enjoy a ballgame. That being said, this is the stupidest idea in the world and for some reason has me unreasonably and unusually pissed off..

by coltranemonk on Apr 15, 2011 7:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Well,

it is far better to be “pissed off” than “pissed on.”

"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST

by Dip-Shit on Apr 15, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

The reason Iowa is so good at home...

Is because we are so shitfaced and unwilling to be nice to the enemy by the time we pack the stands as early as 11am. Drinking cracked down last couple of years? Look who just didn’t quite cut it at home this year. That’s why I’m doing my part in every game I go to this year, in a responsible fashion of course. Looking out for the home team, one beer bong at a time. You’re welcome.

by RandomHero on Apr 15, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was not the only one who commented at the time

that the larger problem was the slippery slope that is tailgating regulations. Tailgaters lose a little more every year, Lot 6, Olive Court, Myrtle Hill, open containers, food vendors, etc.

This is a concerted effort to curtail tailgating little by little. Just enough so that you see articles like this one pop up with lots of comments but not enough that there is an actual backlash.

It’s absurd and it will only get worse until there is a serious effort by those with a little common sense to end this bullshit.

One question I have is, what does Kirk Ferentz think of all of this, deep down? He’s conservative enough that he would probably enjoy seeing Prohibition reinstated yet he’s got to be realistic enough to realize that much of his salary and at least part of his success are due to the environment surrounding Iowa football games.

Very nice article PV.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Apr 15, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure why you think KF is conservative outside of his approach to football.

As someone with experience working voter registration and mobilization drives with access to voter registration records I can state that you may be surprised at the party identification of several prominent UI employees. You may also not be surprised by many. Just saying it’s difficult to infer political beliefs from public persona or coaching style.

by PackerHawk on Apr 15, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Red, blue, or purple.

I’m pretty sure the Captain does NOT make contributions to his candidates of choice via the internet.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 15, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not talking politics here. Little c not big C.

I’m talking personality. I understand politics very well (worked on multiple campaigns and worked at the Iowa HoR as a Page) and regardless of who he votes for, I can comfortably state that Kirk Ferentz is conservative when it comes to the topic of alcohol.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Apr 15, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh, ok

I just think I’m one of the few people around here who thinks that the Ferentz persona in public is crafted so that we really have no idea what his personal opinions are. Aside from his coach speak, his opinion on the Newport Rd reconstruction, and the money he and Mary give to the hospital I don’t think we know as much about him as people tend to assume. Then again, you may have intimate knowledge of the man behind the facade, so I could be wrong.

by PackerHawk on Apr 15, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're very right.

I’m basically just jumping to conclusions. I do, though, feel very confident in some of those conclusions.

1.) Kirk Ferentz is not nearly as big of a fan of Chronic 2001 (better than The Chronic) as I am.
2.) Kirk Ferentz is not currently halfway through a bottle of whiskey and contemplating ordering a pizza with cheese sticks.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Apr 15, 2011 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

i will concede these points

If anything, he’s halfway through a bottle of single malt contemplating sending Stephen into town for a pizza and some wings

by PackerHawk on Apr 16, 2011 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like you said

Kinnick was there when these homes were built, let alone purchased by their current occupants. I’m not saying these people deserve to have their property vandalized because they live close to Kinnick, just that having to put up with 7 days of noise, congestion, and a bit of litter every year just sorta came with the purchase.

It would be like getting a place in New Orleans and complaining about Mardi Gras. If you didn’t know it would be a problem, it’s just a fitting punishment for your stupidity that you would have to put up with it.

I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.

by ckmneon on Apr 15, 2011 7:43 AM CDT reply actions  

This happens everywhere, all of the time.

Here in semi-rural PA, I can hardly hear about the local dirt track racing scene (Yes. We are German rednecks. Some idiots even have Confederate flag bumper stickers when their ancestors probably fought for the right side.) from my friends and family without hearing about the latest person to write in to the papers and complain about the noise from the tracks that are a couple of miles from her house (They’re not that loud). The track in question was built within five years of World War 2 and her development was built within the last ten years. The developer probably didn’t warn her because, hey, he’s a sleazy real estate developer, and no one else warned her, so here we are.

Frankly, I’d be shocked if no residents ever complained about those damn salmon swallows always flying back in those giant flocks to that damn mission in Capistrano.

"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs

by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2011 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wrigleyville

When I lived in Chicago, I used to hear people (usually twenty-something females) that bought condos in Wrigleyville complain about the noise and congestion on game days. I used to feed them a ration of shit. “Did you know that the ball park was there – you know, the one built in 1914?” One girl told me she wasn’t prepared for the parking issues. “Where did you think they were all going to park? In that huge parking lot next to the stadium?”

I have no (NONE) sympathy for people who buy next to something like Wrigley Field, Kinnick Stadium, etc., and then complain about it. MOVE!

And for the record, complaints about noise was the downfall of my beloved Tunis Speedway in Waterloo, just a few blocks from where my parents still live. We used to be outside on Sunday evenings and hear the hot laps start, then head over to the track.

Life is hard. It's really hard if you're stupid.

by Bluzmn on Apr 15, 2011 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more with these comments.

The ballpark/stadium/racetrack, etc. was there first. The fact that you were either too stupid to think about that or didn’t give a shit when you bought your house means you have no grounds to complain.

I guess there’s the possibility that in 1919 the gentlemen attending games in their suits and mustaches and monocles were a quieter, more well behaved bunch. But I doubt it.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Apr 15, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

The "it was there first" argument

is not completely convincing. Just because something is bad before you move in does not preclude you from acting to improve it. For all you know the residents moved in thinking that they would be able to change the things they didn’t like about the property, and thus increase its value. If the city council sides with them, like they did on your race track, than I would say they were right.

by BornaHawk on Apr 15, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

i'd be shocked to learn that the property value of anyone living a stone's throw from Kinnick went down

proximity to the hospital and its continual land grab (ignore negative connotation, bigger hospital is a good thing IMHO) have to be enough to keep property value in that are high, hell-raising a few saturdays a year be damned…

Darkness warshed over the Dude - darker'n a black steer's tookus on a moonless prairie night. There was no bottom.

by AcrimoniousAngerererer on Apr 15, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, in 1919, the PA announcments were made with this:

and obviously, parking was much less of an issue, because less people owned or drove cars.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 15, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tunis Speedway, Waterloo.

I’ve lived within a mile of it for about 25 of my 29 years of life. And because I was born in 1981, I have no memory of it (because I think it was gone by that time.)

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 15, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am confused by this post

Der Hoelle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen

by Lycurgus on Apr 15, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps I should say "I've lived within a mile of where it was once located."

and I know where it was, but I’ve never seen or heard a race there?

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 15, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just to point out some hypocrisy here

Houses in University Heights routinely include the expected revenue of parking in their sale price. So apparently the massive traffic, trash and yard destruction resulting from the parking is okay, but the vendors are ruining the neighborhood. I can understand the city being uptight about this (especially if the vendors aren’t paying sales tax regularly), but this seems short-sighted on the part of the neighborhood association.

by Horace E. Cow on Apr 15, 2011 8:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Correct.

…not to mention the continued rise in property value based on the University and the football games. We all forget that these douches can sell at any time for a premium.

If Jesus believed himself to be real, he was a Christian AND a Jew. Your bumper sticker is now invalid.

by tigerhawk00 on Apr 15, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fixed
they are politicians who can be swayed by whatever wind is strongest the University tells them to do

If the UI comes out and says they like having the vendors on Melrose, sorry Jean Walker – game over.

by DJK's bongwater on Apr 15, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure they've ever been a thoughtful group

but that’s just my opinion

It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 15, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed on all points, PLUS

I’d also add that removing the vendors will leave more room for people to walk on the grass and destroy the lawns. They’ll also create more trash because people will be more spread out and litter (because it’s easier, duh).

by Buddy Light on Apr 15, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

done and done!

when I saw this, that was the 1st thing I did. glad you put up the emails!

and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!

by HawkPocket on Apr 16, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

reminds me of the subthread discussion of kinnicks future we had a week or so back

It makes me concerned for the future of the experience. Would you rather have a docile dickless locale a la evanston or will our beloved kinnick as we know it be knocked down and moved far out west in the name of hospital parking? I really don’t understand what Iowa city’s vision is for this school. The 21 ordinance, the ridiculous and completely unnecessary tailgating rule adjustments-where do they see this going? Where do we end up after continually hiking tuition to the illini, shutting down businesses and traditions that make a little noise and a boatload of money? And who exactly wants to live in this vision?

I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.

by sailorjerry on Apr 15, 2011 8:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Love it or leave it

These people knew what they were getting in to when they moved there. These people should move. I know they would get top dollar for their house for the simple fact it is close to Kinnick.

by ChryslerKinnick on Apr 15, 2011 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I sent in my E-Mail to the mayor saying how this was rediculious

i suggest you all do the same. i know this site gets plenty of hits from rather vocal hawkeye fans.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Apr 15, 2011 8:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Fun Fact!

The Iowa City mayor got his bachelors degree and his JD from Michigan. It’s a conspiracy!! Although, you’d think someone familiar with tailgating on a freaking GOLF COURSE could appreciate the game day atmosphere outside of Kinnick.

by HawkgirlSTL on Apr 15, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

As in,

maybe there’s hope that at least someone sees through all this bullshit by the neighborhood association (which is actually probably a minority of the people that actually live there) and tell them to shut the fuck up. Stop trying to bite the hand that feeds you. If they’re worried about trash, put out more trash bins. If there’s a concern about hitting gas lines, have the utility companies spray paint where the gas lines are like you’re supposed to do when digging in your yard. If you dont’ want a vendor on your yard, don’t take money from them and allow them to be in your yard. There just seems to be a lack of common sense in this stupid association.

Speaking of associations, if this particular neighborhood association is anything like my own, the people in charge tend to get on a stupid power trip and just like to go around asserting their power in however stupid way they can to feel important. I could go on a rant about numerous examples of this, but that would bore everyone.

by HawkgirlSTL on Apr 15, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would bore some

and shock the shit out of others. The first time I read about somebody having their house foreclosed on because of what started as a fence 3 inches too high, I knew I’d never buy where there was an association.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Apr 15, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Email sent as well.

Hello, Mr. Hayek.. You’ve got mail. MOTHERFUCKER!

"And after it was all over, he took us in the house and served us pancakes... pancakes." - Charlie Murphy

by Podolak Pimpin' on Apr 15, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

There is literally nothing wrong with anything in this comment

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Apr 15, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Literally

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/literally

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Apr 15, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hahahah

Gayroller. Literally magnificent.

by DJK's bongwater on Apr 15, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm enraged even reading this...

I won’t rehash all the valid points everyone has made before me, but basically we’re fucked. No, it won’t be soon, but we will lose this fight. The train is coming, that inevitibility is approaching, and we are not Neo.
It turned to 21 only, people still enroll and go downtown. I can’t even remember the name of that shit housing/renting company that owns all of the good iowa city rentals, and screws everyone living there out of their deposits…but I know they always had a line of people on lease day. And I know we will all likely keep getting season tickets regardless of this type of horseshit. Before you tell me you might stop, know that someone else, younger and less aware of the good old days, will replace those do decide it is enough.
I still wish for the best, and hope to fight the good fight…wait, we have lawyers on this blog, why don’t we get some of them on the city council?

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Apr 15, 2011 9:43 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Why hasn't anything

been done about them? I know there is a pending lawsuit I guess that started this year…but how have they made it this long? The city has had to know about their horseshit for some time now.

by KegMaster on Apr 15, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's how apartments are handeled in every college town

hell there are kids in Southern California renting a 2 bed, 1 bath, having 2 kids live in each room, and hte 4 of them are each paying $800-$900 a month on rent. College area apartment owners know they have the kids by the balls, and there isnt too much anyone can really do about it, unless you want to live way off campus

by IrishHawkeye7 on Apr 15, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I heard enough horror stories that I refused to rent from Apartments Downtown / Apartments Near Campus / whatever their 5 other incorporations are.

It meant I had to live further away during undergrad, but I had a private landlord who was super cool. Definitely worth the little extra walk to the bars or class.

by DJK's bongwater on Apr 15, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I rented my first apartment (904 E College) from Apartments Downtown

And my roommates and I recovered 70-80% of our deposit. We had to buy a few hollow core doors and patch some holes, but doing the repairs ourselves was significantly cheaper than letting the leaser ream us.

by The Mexican't on Apr 15, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

We got reamed anyways

when we rented from them. It was a general expectation to be happy to get half of the deposit back.

by KegMaster on Apr 15, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I lived in those apartments for 2 years

and we trashed the place. We ended up getting all of our deposit back because the guys who rented after us wanted to move in early, thus eliminating the inspection and cleaning where they determine how much damage there is. Pretty kick ass deal for us.

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Apr 15, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rented from them 1 year and it was AWFUL..

There really isn’t a thing as “getting your deposit back (or much of it)” with these fucks. Went to Hodge and was night and day different.. All the leasing laws are written in their favor and it’s sickening.

"And after it was all over, he took us in the house and served us pancakes... pancakes." - Charlie Murphy

by Podolak Pimpin' on Apr 15, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rented from Hodge as well

wish i had done it the previous 2 years

by IrishHawkeye7 on Apr 15, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cornerstone Apts..

I always remembered camping out the night before to get a spot to even sign a lease with those guys. And it was well worth it. Always heard Keystone/Cruise apts were good to.

"And after it was all over, he took us in the house and served us pancakes... pancakes." - Charlie Murphy

by Podolak Pimpin' on Apr 15, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had Keystone my junior year

No complaints.. had Apartments Downtown my senior year.. major complaints.

He sired a baseball team... An orchestra, if you count the bastards!

by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Apr 15, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Apts Downtown..

I think I remembered reading in my lease if they had to replace a lightbulb it was like $40.. enough said. I always dreamed one day while walking to drop off my rent check that their shitty office would be a blaze/ Office Space’d

"And after it was all over, he took us in the house and served us pancakes... pancakes." - Charlie Murphy

by Podolak Pimpin' on Apr 15, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I lived in an 11 bedroom house my senior year

that we rented from them for like $3,500/ month. It was the biggest dive I have ever seen. When we agreed to rent it from them they showed us one small section of it that had been remodeled and told us that the whole house would be re-done by the time we moved in. We showed up and not only was it not remodeled it was not even clean. There was still all sorts of stuff left in the house from the previous renters. There was not a clean wall/floor/door/window or anything in the place and EVERYTHING was damaged. We filled out the sheets saying what was wrong with the place to the best of our ability but there was so much that they were able to blame all sorts of stuff that we didn’t get marked down on us when we left. They kept the entire two month’s rent deposit. I have never been so tempted to burn down a structure in my life.

He sired a baseball team... An orchestra, if you count the bastards!

by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Apr 15, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, that sucks..

During check out, I remember cleaning our apt FAR BETTER than it was when we first moved in and still got killed on our deposit. After several months of phone calls/letters we finally got most of it back. Bastards should have paid us for making it not look like a shit hole.

"And after it was all over, he took us in the house and served us pancakes... pancakes." - Charlie Murphy

by Podolak Pimpin' on Apr 15, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Similar situation with my first apartment

place was an absolute dumb. Filled up containers while vacuuming.

by IrishHawkeye7 on Apr 15, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where was the pubecheck when you needed it?

by txhawkeye on Apr 15, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I went through Cruise for three years

Great people. Owner was a young guy, really easy to work with.

Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.

by Nickhawk08 on Apr 15, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

dead wrong that lease laws are in favor of property owner

(I currently own property in IC)

Kids just don’t know how or choose not to fight.

Keystone, Chambers, Hodge, they’re all great and fair. Apartments Downtown was A.U.R. when I was in school, they’re horrible crooks

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 15, 2011 11:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think that statement applies to much of the law in general.

People – not just kids – just don’t know their rights, and/or are too lazy or ambivalent to learn, or are too easily intimidated (understandably so) into voluntarily waving those rights when it matters.


They should have sent a poet.

by Bucketochicken on Apr 16, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Generally, though, getting your deposit back in court costs more than the deposit.

People aren’t willing to fight for it. And Apartments Downtown exploits this.

by DJK's bongwater on Apr 16, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very true.

I was referring more to the law and to authority in general, but yeah, it’s usually not worth the hassle. It’s the same here in Chicago with parking tickets and such. Half the time they’re complete bullshit, but you can’t really fight it.


They should have sent a poet.

by Bucketochicken on Apr 16, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I took High Property Management in Cedar Rapids to court

over some bullshit. The game is rigged. They write the contract and they know the rules. Not to mention, they have a lawyer who understands all this shit. All I could do was point out how they were being fucks and while the judge agreed with me, amazingly, the contract sided with the fuckers who wrote it.

It’s just not worth it. Never again will I rent from a company with a bad reputation.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Apr 16, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

ooohhhh AUR

those guys were fuckers.

It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 16, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Since I didn't pay my June or July rent, because I left town after graduation,

I didn’t free letting AUR keep my deposit was that bad of a deal.

Whatever farm animal of war, Lana. Shut up!

by Carfino'sWay on Apr 17, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

rent from WW Apartments!!

they are seriously the best landlords ever!!

if you have a problem, they are there within the hour to fix it. they also will give back 100% of your deposit if there is nothing wrong (I did!)

and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!

by HawkPocket on Apr 16, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Iowa City seems hell bent on stopping alum from returning to Iowa City

I don’t know about you guys, but I return to Iowa City for football games, and one of the biggest parts of football is tailgating. Going to be funny to see Iowa higher ups dumbfounded when their donation numbers start to plummet and prospective student applications fall off

by IrishHawkeye7 on Apr 15, 2011 9:57 AM CDT reply actions  

As Morehouse so correctly put it yesterday,

between the tailgating stormtroopers and this, the mentality of both the city and school seem to be “Leave your money and get the hell out.”

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Apr 15, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, the fans will be doing one of those things

I basically told the Mayor in an email that if this goes through there will be 20 or so less people spending any time at all in Iowa City.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Apr 15, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can we really trust Morehouse?

He also wrote a story stating that Norm Parker almost cried once. Can we really believe anything he writes anymore?

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Apr 15, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

YCPYEII has a point -

the man doesn’t even have a gall bladder, for crying out loud.


They should have sent a poet.

by Bucketochicken on Apr 15, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

In the same article, Ken O'Keefe quotes Malcolm Gladwell.

/mind ASPLODES!

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Apr 15, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

And his parents were hippies

H cheers for WI pro teams and likes hockey. He is clearly so anti-Iowa that we should not believe a word he says.

by PackerHawk on Apr 15, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't tell you how true this is.

I don’t have a lot of spare cash or time and almost never make it back. I was all jacked up to come “home” this year of Iowa/Michigan (hopefully introducing a Wolverine friend to what a real atmosphere is like) and now I’m expecting a Bloomington, IN atmosphere. Maybe I’ll just stick to seeing the Hawks play in away venues where I know things will resemble college gamedays.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 15, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I got to go back to Iowa twice this past year

once for the OSU game, once just for the weekend. Downtown is considerably different. Several bars are just flat out gone, some have moved (Fieldhouse is now where ETC used to be), far fewer people out than there used to be. It’s depressing to see how much its changed and I graduated a year ago

by IrishHawkeye7 on Apr 15, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I never gave a shit about the bars.

For me it was all about gameday experience. Even the things I didn’t directly participate in (Magic Bus, Big Ass Turkey Legs) added to the atmosphere.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 15, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm.
Maybe I’ll just stick to seeing the Hawks play in away venues where I know things will resemble college gamedays.

Ah, so you’ll be joining me in boycotting Ryan Field then? Excellent!

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 15, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's just a feeling of obligation.

If I don’t see them in my backyard I’m just a shitty fan.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 15, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I understand.

Going to see Iowa play in the Metrodome wasn’t exactly a top-five experience, either.

Although at least the Metrodome has, you know, FUCKING BATHROOMS. And concessions better than what you’d find at a middle school game.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 15, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

wow I hope that was thought out beforehand. well done

He sired a baseball team... An orchestra, if you count the bastards!

by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Apr 15, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all night.

Try the veal and don’t forget to tip your server.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 15, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

There it is!

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 15, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

The prospect of not going to Iowa City is depressing to me

One of the biggest things I look forward to is when I have a family of my own is taking them all to Iowa City for football weekends, and passing on the awesome Kinnick and Gameday experiences I experienced in school and love to experience today and will want to continue to experience in the future. It’s depressing to think the gameday we all know and love could one day be gone

by IrishHawkeye7 on Apr 15, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I fear taking my boy to IC for gameday

and the only good part will be our football team

by GaryDolphinSafeTuna on Apr 15, 2011 9:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I'm glad I went to Iowa when I did

and I’m old enough to have experienced the Iowa City/Kinnick atmosphere before it was cruelly destroyed.

Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.

by Nickhawk08 on Apr 15, 2011 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed. I learned he valuable skill of keeping one eye on the door to the bar at all times

So I could casually put my beer down if the popo came in. It’s a skill the young’uns now don’t get to develop outside FAC hours.
Which by the way, anyone at the bars recently has to laugh at the mass exodus from the bars around 9:45 on Friday nights.

by DJK's bongwater on Apr 15, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I never used that method

I looked older than I was, so I just always kept drinking when the 50 showed up…let them go after those that were putting down their drink and trying to look cool. Worked well for me, but if you looked 16 I imzgine it would not.

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Apr 15, 2011 11:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah I just kept drinking as well

Pizza Palace, the old Fitzpatrick’s, Ski Club, 18-to-enter bars…Iowa City, what the fuck is happening to you????

Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.

by Nickhawk08 on Apr 15, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

free wings with pitcher of beer on wed

Fuck I miss the old fitzpatricks and the slices of old falbos pizza on the way home

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Apr 15, 2011 11:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Indeed, Fitzy's was awesome

It was so close to the house I lived in my junior and senior years (on S Dodge), they had huge glass beer pitchers, the place next door was really good too, and I knew a bartender that would mix up random shots. Oh, and the outdoor patio was fantastic in the summer.

by HawkgirlSTL on Apr 18, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

The patio was the best

Fantastic beer garden. Is the place that took over Fitzy’s, Old Capitol Brew Works, still in business? I know it was as of 2008, but I haven’t been over to that area in IC since. Great beer, ok food, lousy service.

Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.

by Nickhawk08 on Apr 18, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dime draws, Flip Night, The 'Liner before they tried to turn it into a nightclub...

I show my age, but, man, those were the days!

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 16, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm wih you.

I’m pretty sure I only lost once on Flip Night.

Whatever farm animal of war, Lana. Shut up!

by Carfino'sWay on Apr 17, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

My first year at Iowa (2000-2001)

it was still 18 to enter bars, cops pretty much left you alone unless you were an asshole (I would routinely just walk by them with a beer in my hand), there were 2 for 1 specials everywhere, 25 cent rum and cokes at Fieldhouse at Thursdays (the only day to go there), $2 steins at Malones on Tuesdays, etc. Then in the late spring they really started to crack down. The next year they didn’t allow 2 for 1 specials anymore and only let you buy 2 drinks at a time (which basically just led to other cheap drink specials). The year after that they started the 19 to enter bars thing, which led to more freshmen going to house parties. My last year at Iowa (2003-2004) was when they closed the Fieldhouse tailgating lot (which admittedly was crazy with beer bongs on top of vans and all sorts of fun stuff). They just kept cutting and cutting something every year.

by HawkgirlSTL on Apr 18, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh, Thursdays. Laundry and Union night.

Do laundry after class, take remaining quarters to the Union (or Fieldhouse; they both had quarter specials on Thursdays) and get hammered.
Many fond near-memories.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 18, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I tried that at the Vine once.

After coming to the conclusion that I was in the clear, I picked up my drink. Just then I was tapped on the shoulder. Day before Spring Break. Stupid cop jerk.

by The Mexican't on Apr 15, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've been trying to figure it out

Nearly all of the city council members are from IC or went to UI. I don’t understand what their problems are. Maybe they’re all closet Mormons… And if they are football fans I’m willing to bet that 1) They’re Kinnick Society members or 2) They’re close friends with someone who is. If they tailgate I bet they spend every Saturday in what I call the “fuck you” parking lot.

That being said, I’m not sure what we can do about it? Write a well thought out letter?

by mikjones24 on Apr 15, 2011 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

one well thought out letter probably wont do a thing

thousands of well thought out letters and decelerations that the mayor wont be the mayor in a few years anymore if this keeps up may change a few minds however

by justsomehawkeyefan on Apr 15, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stop going.

Letters aren’t going to work, especially not from people outside the community. They have constituents and they aren’t us. What works is hitting them in the pocketbook. Stop going. Stop dropping a grand in their pockets every weekend in hotels and food and entertainment and, yes, in tickets. Stay home. Watch the game on your couch. Until that happens, they can do anything they want with no actual repercussions.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Apr 15, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure if that's an effective measure?

A great number of people come from out of town to watch the football games. They’ll probably think it’s dumb and disagree but won’t do shit. Then there’s the students, who I’ve lost faith in because they didn’t put up nearly as big of fight against the 21 ordinance as they did in 2007. That’s two groups of pushovers who account for majority of the people who attend games.

This isn’t the Montgomery Bus Boycott. People are too passive these days. And if the few people who are wanting to do something are told to “wait it out” I don’t think anything is going to change.

This isn’t to say that I think the thing to do is write an angry e-mail…but I don’t think “not going” is the solution either. Because in the end, other people will go.

by mikjones24 on Apr 15, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or just don't donate money to the UI

I think that will hit them worse. If the alums stop donating, then the U will feel the economic loss much more – people will pack the stadium either way because we Iowans love our football.

by DJK's bongwater on Apr 15, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even if there is a loss

I don’t believe they would connect the dots, much less reverse this sort of decision

It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 15, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

we lost some ticket holders and donors in the 05-07 span

But that was all about the poor performance on the field. They knew better than to fuck with us then. Watch what happens if they keep pressing these rule changes and we see a string of mediocre seasons. I can tell you the guys in the big donor lots aren’t happy either. My folks are in the rv lot and he cops hassled the shit out of them whenever anyone under 30 was present. They tried to confiscate a bottle of vodka they could see on a neighbors kitchenette counter through an open window. That shit simply won’t fly if we go.500. I think Vint is right that hitting the pocket book is the most effective, but until we suck more on the field the demand will stay high enough to keep a string of kool-aid drinkers who will step right in to take your place, donate the money, and put up with the bullshit rules.

I've been in love (truly) with five women, the Spanish Republic and the 4th Infantry Division.

by sailorjerry on Apr 15, 2011 1:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sadly, I agree.

No one wants to see a Kinnick Stadium full of jNW fans (bleachers) but that kind of backlash is the only language that works in these situations. It’s not even just Iowa City that this would effect. How many people drive from all across the state to come to games? And what do they do along the way? They stop at gas stations, stop for food and groceries. For a few good points from the owner of Gameday Iowa, see the comments of RonChristensen on the KCRG story. These aren’t just people putting up lemonade stands and grilling burgers on their Weber grill for some cash, these are local businesses who have been following the rules all along. It’s getting worse when I can’t decide who is more to blame, the UI or the City of IC. It just seems awefully strange that all of a sudden the neighborhood association decides it doesn’t like the tailgating evil vendors along Melrose, when they’ve been there for decades. Like I mentioned in the other thread, who are they really trying to please? This aggression will not stand.

Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.

by Give Eddie a Beer on Apr 15, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yesterday was Thursday

Today is Friday
Tomorrow is Saturday
And Sunday comes afterwards

by DJK's bongwater on Apr 15, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, no, no

Gotta sing it with spirit.

Yesterday was Thursday, Thursday
Today is Friday, Friday
Tomorrow is Saturday
And Sunday comes afterwards

"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs

by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

OMG SHE'S TALKING ABOUT RYAN FIELD WE'VE CRACKED THE CODE
Kickin’ in the front seat
Sittin’ in the back seat
Gotta make my mind up
Which seat can I take?

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 15, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

And now I realize I just made the exact same joke.

Move along, nothing to see here. I’m just lookin’ forward to the weekend, weekend…

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 15, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's disturbing how many of you know the words to that song

because of watching the video over and over. I watched that video once, and not even the whole way through because it was terrible. I will never get that 30 seconds back of my life.

by HawkgirlSTL on Apr 15, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ha! Exactly what I was thinking.

I did the same with the video, too. Maybe we girls have a lower tolerance for truly awful music productions?

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 15, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't even make it 10 seconds into that video

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Apr 15, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've never seen the video. Not 30 seconds of it, not 10 seconds of it.

I saw part of Colbert do the song on Fallon a couple weeks ago, but it was half over before I realized what I was watching.

I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials

by Swarley on Apr 15, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why, thank you, kind sir (ma'am?)

I lurked a lot during football season, decided to jump into the fray later in basketball & wrestling. Just sorry it took me so long to stumble across this barrel of laughs!

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 15, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Turned it off after 30 seconds, but it's EVERYWHERE on the webbytubez.

" lower tolerance for truly awful music "

The Backstreet Boys would like a word with you.
Spice Girls would like a word with you.
Highschool Musical and Hannah Montana wlawwy.

And for the more mature ladies, Debbie Gibson and Tiffany have a couple words for you too.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 15, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

High School Musical and Alvin and the Chipmunks were 2 driving forces behind my daughter getting her own iPod.

I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials

by Swarley on Apr 15, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I working on it.

She LOVES some early Metallica (For whom the bell tolls), as well as Enter Sandman and Back in Black, for obvious reasons.

I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials

by Swarley on Apr 15, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Full disclosure

I totally love HSM.

The rest can go take a flying leap. Well, except maybe for DG & Tiff. In my less mature days I thought they were the bomb.

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 15, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

WHY?!?!?!

I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials

by Swarley on Apr 15, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am a multi-faceted woman

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 15, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant why would you do such things and get that stuck in my head!?!?!

I think that constitutes cruel and unusual punishment!

I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials

by Swarley on Apr 15, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh!

Well, cuz we can.

& it’s entertaining.

We’re ALL in THIS TO-GETH-er :D

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 15, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, thanks for that.

I had that damn song stuck in my head all night last night! No amount of other music would make it stop.

I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials

by Swarley on Apr 16, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are SO welcome!

Pleasure doing business with you.

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 16, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

We're BREAKIN' FREE

& Zac = yum

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 15, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've never watched the video

Watched Fallon’s rendition & saw all of the gifs/pics

by KegMaster on Apr 15, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great, you mentioned Fallon and music.

I will now have the Bruce Springstein version of Whip Your Hair in my head for the next fortnight.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 15, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

This.

Although I did watch the entire Fallon/Colbert version once.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 15, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like someone wants more season tix for next year.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 15, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't wait to see the battle between high money non-RVers and the RVers in a year.

The new indoor facility, offices, locker rooms, etc will be taking the RV lot very soon. Does the “fuck you lot” become the new RV lot? Where do the displaced high money donor, non-RVers go?

by PackerHawk on Apr 15, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

RE: Iowa City becoming Evanston.

Evanston is unfairly critiqued sometimes. It could be really cool if Iowa City were to become more like it. People could start thinking of a trip to Iowa City as entering a portal back to a different era. You know, like an era before football was invented.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 15, 2011 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm closing this thread down.

We have a winner.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Apr 15, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wish it was still 1994.

:(

"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs

by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

No doubt!

Still a year from graduating, great apartment across from Old Brick (rented from a friendly dentist & NOT those awful companies), spending many an evening in the local establishments- absolute heaven.

The University of Iowa: the best 6 years of my life. My parents are very proud.

by HawkeyeGirleye on Apr 15, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

The way most Penn State fans talk about that year

it might as well be.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 15, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude.

If you had to deal with idiot Nebraska fans who seriously think Tommie Frazier was better than Kerry Collins, you’d be as annoying as us.

And our fullbacks that year. Milne beat Hodgkins as a cancer. Witman played in the NFL. And they BOTH had ’staches. sigh

"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs

by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

as a kid, not as a cancer

"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs

by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you just preach to an Iowa fan

about having to “deal with idiot Nebraska fans”?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 15, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes.

And, yes, I did know it was utterly ridiculous to do so.

"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs

by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

But... but...

they’re Linebacker U.!


They should have sent a poet.

by Bucketochicken on Apr 15, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, we are.

From Onkotz to Buttle to Conlan to Posluszny, it inspires me to sing this is our country in a Joe Paterno voice.

"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs

by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't believe I can only rec this once.

I am tempted to make dummy accounts just so I can rec it more.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 15, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Closet Nebraska fans.

"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs

by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

That should be a bannable offense.

I do respect Tommie Frazier, though.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 15, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was a fine college running back

As a QB, he could only hope to be as good as Matt McGloin

I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.

by ckmneon on Apr 16, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, we all wish we could be as good as the Ginger Avenger.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Apr 18, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey!

Tell your boy Patrick Vint that he lost!

You chumps! I knew my hunch was right and I just had to get ck and his obsessive love for statistics to prove it.

"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs

by ReadingRambler on Apr 18, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

I’ll stick up for my guy. Collins almost broke the pass efficiency rating record at the time (finished at 172-ish), completed a full 2/3’s of his passes, won the Maxwell and O’Brien, and was 4th in the Heisman voting (splitting much of that vote with Ki-Jana Carter).

Besides, Frazier barely played in ‘94. That was Brook Berringer’s year because of Frazier’s blood clots.

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by Run Up The Score on Apr 15, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you want a balanced offense, you go with Kerry Collins.

“By a lot”, my ass.

"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs

by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I might accept that he was better if you want to post a bunch of stuff and arguments and whatnot.

But I cannot watch the ’94 Michigan games or ’94 Illinois games and even come close to agreeing with him being vastly inferior. Collins was a ridiculously good passer at the college level, as good as Long and Manning.

"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs

by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a running back?

Because as a passer, this isn’t even a conversation worth having.

As a senior, Kerry Collins completed 66.7% of his passes, 10.14 YPA, has 21 TD and 7 INT. An average team on that 1994 PSU schedule was ranked #41.75 (congrove system), median average of #38.3.

As a senior, Tommy Frazier completed 55.4% of his passes, 8.3 YPA, had 18 TD and 6 INT. An average team on the 95 Nebraska schedule was ranked #45.6 (congrove system), median average of #50.8.

Bottom line: Kerry Collins was a much better player against much better competition, and it’s really not all that close.

I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.

by ckmneon on Apr 16, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

QB Score

For an explanation of QB score, go here.

I could not find stats on the number of fumbles that either Frazier or Collins lost, and I could not find Collins’ college rushing stats. Seeing as how Collins averaged a little over 2 ypc in the NFL, I highly doubt that changes his score much.

Frazier’s Senior Year score (excluding fumbles): 1100
Collins’ Senior Year score (excluding fumbles and rushing stats): 1537

Like I said before, Collins did it against a much tougher schedule.

So yeah, Collins was better than Frazier. By a lot.

I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.

by ckmneon on Apr 16, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Found Collins' rushing stats

That brings his score down to 1499.

So unless Kerry Collins lost 8 more fumbles than Frazier, he’s got a better QB score against a tougher schedule.

I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.

by ckmneon on Apr 17, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

SEG say it aint so........

I have a drawer full of BVD’s older than you……..

Young girl, get out my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run girl
You’re much too young girl

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Apr 15, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

With all the charms of a woman
You’ve kept the secret of your youth
You led me to believe
You’re old enough To give me Love
And now it hurts to know the truth

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 16, 2011 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you for taking the set up.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 15, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anybody else just feel like taking a dump on that lady’s lawn/porch/face? I do. I’d like to punch the “mayor” in the nuts as well. How can people be this fucking stupid?

by KegMaster on Apr 15, 2011 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Pretty sure sending a poop "message" works in her favor.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Apr 15, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

POOPDOLLAR!

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 15, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ben Askren!

"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs

by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Close call...

I almost got poopdollared on my way to a game last year. It was from the apartments just before the Kum and Go on Gilbert and Burlingtion. Bastards.

by kbrink on Apr 16, 2011 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I saw a little kid get poopdollared last year

It was hilarious. To me anyway. Not to the kid’s mom.

by DJK's bongwater on Apr 16, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is a poopdollar anything like a pube check?

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Apr 16, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing there is less effort in constructing a poop-dollar.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 16, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awww shit,

Don’t make Vint whip his lawyer out.

Well written.

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Apr 15, 2011 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Don’t make Vint whip his lawyer out.

Am I the only one picturing the molerat right now?

Also – this post is dead on. Huzzah, sir! I only wish those in power would have the nerve to read it.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Apr 15, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the biggest croc of shit i've heard about in a long time.

Everything wrong with this….ordnance? has pretty much been said but Jesus….I love tailgating around Kinnick and stuff like this is slowly ruining the experience that thousands of people enjoy, God forbid, 6-7 days a year. Why don’t they also make it a rule that when attending a game the fans must use their “indoor voices” so as not to disturb the peace…

by bornofclay on Apr 15, 2011 12:26 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Dear Realty Agent,

What the fuck? You said I was moving in next to an airport, not a runway. Where the fuck did all of these noisey planes come from?
Sincerely,
Stupid Buyer

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 15, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The consistent overreactions of the city council and University

remind me of the FCC in that Family Guy episode. "As we all know, one complaint equals a billion people . . . "

Anyway, the powers that be have made it pretty clear that their “grand vision” of Iowa City is entirely different than what most of us lovingly remember.

Getting the bars out was the first phase: http://thegazette.com/2011/03/20/is-downtown-iowa-city-ready-to-reinvent-itself-again/ (“City officials have long wanted to attract an older, more permanent population downtown to further support surrounding businesses.”)

Maybe other people don’t think this is related to the recent gameday changes, but I think they’re an extension of the viewpoint expressed in that article. They want the money students and fans bring in, but they’d prefer to have nothing else to do with the more transient elements of Iowa City. “Leave your money and get out” as Pat put it earlier.

by KilometersDavis on Apr 15, 2011 12:27 PM CDT reply actions  

The council seems to not realize the town is there because of the University

i cant remember the exact numbers, but of the residents of Iowa City (non students), it was something like 80-85% of them are employed by the University of Iowa. Unless I’m mistaken, you need students to have a University. If you start driving students away, you’ll have to start cutting back on jobs for the locals, which I’m guessing will lead to them leaving Iowa City in search of a job.

by IrishHawkeye7 on Apr 15, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your point is largely correct

but my inner pedant can’t allow that stat to stand – The U employs about 17,000, and the hospital another 7,000-8,000. Year round population of IC is what, 70,000? Still a big number, though.

by DrinkingDeadFriendsBe on Apr 15, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of that 70,000, how many of them are retired or too young to be in the labor force?

I’d roughly estimate the labor force of non-undergrads in IC as between 30-35k give or take several thousand. So IH7 might have poorly worded his assertion. I don’t think that 80-85% of the year round labor force being employed by UI/UIHC is too far fetched.

by PackerHawk on Apr 15, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

They love some of "college town" aspects

the UI provides, like the art & culture vibe, a highly educated population, and the general affluence it brings.

The problem is that they seem to think they can keep all of that while simultaneously eliminating the youthful indiscretions, overly-zealous sports fans, and other “unpolite” behavior associated with a large public university.

I have a number of friends still in school who unanimously say that drunkenness is generally lower downtown, but a lot of the positive atmosphere is gone as well. If the city continues to demolish the gameday atmosphere through a piecemeal approach they may be able to avoid the negative attention sometimes associated with tailgating, but they’ll also start losing a lot of the money it brings in, as well as the support of alumni who miss the old Iowa City.

by KilometersDavis on Apr 15, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

This post almost made me cry

Please don’t take my gyros, turkey legs, and walking tacos.

by HawkeyeInExile on Apr 15, 2011 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

For you country bumpkins out there

the Greek lamb dish called the “gyro”, is not pronounce “gyro” but rather “kkkkkkheeroh.”

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Apr 15, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I prounounce it, “give me one of those fucking things with lamb on a pita with the delicious fucking sauce.”

by txhawkeye on Apr 15, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

The correct pronunciation...

…. requires significant phlemage in the back of your throat.

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Apr 15, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re: Myrtle

To be fair to the crackdown on parking on the hill at Myrtle – I must admit that I did see many cars sliding down and colliding with one another on mud-covered Myrtle hill at the Purdue game in 2004.

by H I McDonnough on Apr 15, 2011 12:45 PM CDT reply actions  

You were stoned.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Apr 15, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was awesome. We cheered like hell for each one.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 15, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

My third year in law school I lived at 605 Melrose

Ambulances at all hours of the night? Check. Occasionally helicopter sounding like it would land on your roof? Check. Cambus stop right in front of my house? Check (on second thought, that was a good thing for drinking purposes). Constant hum of traffic? Check.

But for seven Saturdays in the fall? Spectacular.

by Jdub1126 on Apr 15, 2011 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I thought that was the AA house?

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Apr 15, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

AA house is on the 500 block of Melrose

Or east of the t-intersection of Melrose Avenue and Melrose Court. We were the second house west of the intersection.

by Jdub1126 on Apr 15, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've heard that tailgating there is pretty tame.

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Apr 15, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

What are you talking about?

All the free Diet Pepsi and pamphlets you can handle, bro!

And everyone always introducing themselves by name: “Hi, I’m Gary.” “HI GARY!”

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 15, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Iowans are friendly

and helpful!

It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 16, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh shit, you wrote LDS. For a minute there I was all excited and thought Iowa City was the fun place I went to school.

by txhawkeye on Apr 15, 2011 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha

I’m sure there’s still plenty of lsd to be found. But that is definitely the sober corner in town

by PackerHawk on Apr 16, 2011 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unite us, Patrick the Vint! Unite the clans!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sa_OQgWiPA

We’ll beat back the damned English City Council and their draconian laws, and make sweet love to their princesses!

For this to work we’ll need a Mel Gibson, someone to be betrayed, then drawn and quartered.

I vote Rambler: he seems to have the oratory skills to rouse men’s hearts, yet as a dirty interloping Penn State fan he’s extremely expendable.

Darkness warshed over the Dude - darker'n a black steer's tookus on a moonless prairie night. There was no bottom.

by AcrimoniousAngerererer on Apr 15, 2011 2:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Sally Mason can be our braveheart.

I know she’s the Braveheart of my dreams (that wake me in a cold sweat).

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Apr 15, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Braveheart was the greatest movie ever made

but it took its toll on Mel Gibson and drove him into batshit insanity.

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Apr 15, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't act like "Paparazzi" wasn't an excellent film.

/absolutely kidding.

But seriously, “Apocalypto” was pretty good.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 15, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

You just made me feel really really sad, and angry.

And don’t think I’ve forgotten about that scotch. The good kind, I accept. And what your saying sounds to me like “get ready for the smug”. Everyone wants to turn us into Ann Arbor, starting with Mary Sue Coleman (from what I’ve always heard, anyway), now the IC Michigan-grad Mayor. This whole thing just makes me think and say a lot of F words. I don’t like Christmas future.

Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.

by Give Eddie a Beer on Apr 15, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know that there is a statement in there that I would disagree with.

I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials

by Swarley on Apr 15, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good points, scary points

Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.

by Blackheartnopants on Apr 15, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me and Batts just had the exact same discussion . . .

It’s really not that hard to fathom, either.

I grew up in Madison in the 80s. You know Madison – Jump Around, The 5th Quarter, Crazy student section, one of the best atmospheres in college football. I was a lowly soda vendor in the mid 80s, and that 80,000 seat stadium was often half-full. No one even bothered to go up into the upper deck to sell soda, because there were no fans there. The Iowa game was the one I looked forward to the most, because the bumblebees would swarm in with wads of twenty dollar bills needing Coca Cola to mix with their smuggled booze. They’d take up nearly a third of the stadium.

And that is in a city of a quarter-million,

Iowa City better be damned careful to not cut off its nose to spite its face. You kill that gameday experience, and people will stay away in droves when – and I said WHEN because Iowa football history dictates it – there is a dropoff in success on the field.

by Torbee on Apr 15, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone get the Director in here.

I vaguely recall his stories of Kinnick being at a considerably lower capacity. Oh, yeah, and with lots of people smoking weed on the grass.

"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs

by ReadingRambler on Apr 15, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, those were fun days!! And then all of a sudden Hayden arrived and we got good.

by txhawkeye on Apr 15, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me put it to you this way

The people I went to the game with drank LESS, a lot less, when Hayden’s teams started winning. We had to be kinda sober in second half. There was actually something good to watch. Now, we still smuggled our bota bags in and ran right to station wagons full of food and booze afterwards, but…

Don Nordmann, we hardly knew ye

by Mr. Grizz on Apr 15, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want to insert the slow clap gif here.

Thank you.

Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.

by EnergizerHawk on Apr 15, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Silly, naive Morehouse. Keep dreaming.

You really should have done your research before writing this. The world ends in 2012.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Apr 15, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I keep forgetting

Is it the Incas or those damn Mayans? Can’t remember. I just know one of them is pissed about Neil Young’s “Cortez the Killer.”

"I always like it better when the clowns seem to try to be happy."

by MarcMorehouse on Apr 16, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most famously, the Mayans.

2012 Phenomenon

It’s on Wikipedia, so it gots ta be true. Either way, if any single guy isn’t at the bar December 20, 2012 he’s a moron.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Apr 16, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Better than Valentine's Day, even

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 17, 2011 3:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Please write this column.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 18, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dammit.

I tried to rec this again. That didn’t go well.

Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.

by EnergizerHawk on Apr 19, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps to placate the old fogies in the Melrose vicinity,

the city could throw up a few security cameras and extra trash cans.

One other question, for those that have lived in the Melrose area: is there any way to get out of those streets by going south and out a “back way”? Or, if you are a dumbass who left their car in your garage on Saturday morning, are you at the mercy of the crowds of pedestrians letting you out onto Melrose (now possibly congested) to go anywhere?

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 15, 2011 5:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Depending on where you parked, there's a few good ways.

One is to go back on Melrose Court, take a left at the end of the street, then a right at the end of that street.

The other is to take Koser south, left at the stop onto George.

Both of these ways get you onto Benton, from there, head toward Highway 6, then 280. It is so much quicker than trying to get out via Melrose.

by The Final Gun on Apr 15, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shhhhhh

Don’t tell people how to go the way I do to quickly and easily get from the Finkbine area back to the east side after games. Let them sit on Melrose for the love of my convenience.

by PackerHawk on Apr 15, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

This makes no sense to me

Why would you want to be anywhere but inside Kinnick during the game?

by PackerHawk on Apr 15, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cause you're an ISU fan?

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Apr 22, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a resident of IC I plan on being at the working session on Monday.

Probably the council meeting on Tuesday. Perhaps if enough of us non-students go we can at least get them to kick the decision down the road (a la 21 only for a year) or to seriously consider the temporary usage permit idea to regulate the vendors and raise money through permit fees. Their current argument of “regulating vendors would be expensive, but we’re not going to actually examine if the cost would be offset by permit sales” is utter horseshit. Figure out what the regulation cost would be and set the permit cost at or above the cost. FUCKING NOT THAT HARD TO DO!! You know that the vendors will pay for exorbitant permits since they can pass the cost along to their customers. How many people would really pass on that turkey leg if the price went up between $0.50 and $1? How about paying 10-20% more for that t-shirt?

by PackerHawk on Apr 15, 2011 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

One answer: Organize the Students to register and vote in Iowa City

The Georgetown Neighborhood Council was notorious for years for basically making life hell for students and people who came into Georgetown on the weekends. As if the 200 year old university magically appeared over night. Their excuse for why all their ordinances were anti-student was because they didn’t “know” what the student opinion was because no one from the university was representing the student viewpoint at meetings/hearings. After years of this bullshit, some students at Georgetown got smart and organized a student voter registration drive so students could vote in DC elections. The net affect was to get two districts represented by students and a third with such a large bloc of voters it scared the rep into a pro-student position. Plus, it helped get a recent alum on the city council. That had the affect of scaring the shit out of the residents and they got a lot more conciliatory real quick.

It isn’t a quick or easy thing to do, but fuck me if it isn’t effective

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Apr 15, 2011 6:04 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Yep.

The power-trippers seem to have the time and tolerance for plenty of meetings.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Apr 15, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really like this idea.

A lot.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Apr 15, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

They tried this

A student was a candidate for the city council in 2009, I believe. In his precinct, with a very student-heavy population, there were about 30 total votes, about half of which were student-aged (by my eyeball estimate). UI students don’t seem to “get” the importance of local government in their lives, unless it’s a direct referendum (21-only).

by Luke Recker No-Look Pass on Apr 16, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

they do this in athens

once deemed by playboy as the #1 party school in the nation
they mess up the local republican party plans too
and even though i was only IC visiting my daughter
albeit sober for soe time
amatuer night compared to athens
they have cracked down lately,
but only to a point
because the kids have the vote

Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER

by OhioHawk on Apr 17, 2011 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I knew this had happened elsewhere but wasn't sure of the particulars

Glad we have HoyaGoon and OhioHawk to fill in with some details on places it truly has made a difference.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 17, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

All the vendors could

just move a couple hundred yards up the road to University Heights. That way all the legitimate vendor revenue would leave Iowa City while the houses across from Kinnick would resort to parking and tailgaters for their bucks keeping the congestion, trash and drunks. Its a win/win or lose/lose depending on your perspective.

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Apr 15, 2011 6:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh Bellanca, you and your reasonable, well-thought out, logical and grown-up attitude.

That’ll never work. This is America! Hysteria, hyperbole, shouting, and sensationalism – that’s what gets things done these days. You are the Lisa Simpson to the general public’s Helen Lovejoy.
That said, please run for mayor or governor or something.


They should have sent a poet.

by Bucketochicken on Apr 16, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

"You are the Lisa Simpson to the general public's Helen Lovejoy"

That is so brilliant and so, so apt

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Apr 16, 2011 3:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Who, or what, is Lisa Simpson? Is that a TV thing?

Reading Lukacs today on WWII.

We play tackle football, most of the time.

by Bellanca on Apr 16, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boo.

I understand not knowing a specific reference within the show, but not knowing who Lisa Simpson is? Well, that’s just mean to my entire adolescence.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 17, 2011 3:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whoa, wait -

…Kirk?


They should have sent a poet.

by Bucketochicken on Apr 17, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't listen to these people.

You ain’t missing anything.

"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs

by ReadingRambler on Apr 20, 2011 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Before I was saying "Boo-urns". Now it's truly a "Boo"

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Apr 20, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

how true about tOSU

there are easily twice as many bodies outside the shoe
than in, and even though they too have cracked down
easily 100k come to Ctown on gav\me dame to tailgate

Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER

by OhioHawk on Apr 17, 2011 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Loved this:

"I’ll send someone over to your house to clean up the yard after the games, in case there’s any trash. Give me a call if there’s anything else we can do."

Years ago, there was a very wealthy country gentleman here in Pennsylvania who saved Port Royal Speedway (A dirt surface race track in the middle of a town) by guaranteeing an old lady that her house would be cleaned of any dirt after the races on Sunday mornings. The rumor is that he also slipped a $50 bill into her hand, but that’s just a rumor. In any event, I like his style.

"I am almost ashamed at my actions, but not really." - usn_kologi, 197 lbs

by ReadingRambler on Apr 20, 2011 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing but my wife says

the Melrose Neighborhood group is just asking if the vendors can move off Melrose and into the Kinnick lot thereby easing some of the congestion on Melrose caused by customers spilling out onto the avenue in front of the vendor’s tents. The University would probably make as much or more money renting a section of parking spots to vendors. My wife views this as a reasonable request that falls short of demanding all fun be eradicated from Iowa City.

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Apr 16, 2011 4:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Over the cold, dead bodies of the Kinnick Society members who could lose parking.

Yes, I know that the gameday experience zone does have room for more tents, but I doubt them simply putting the vendors in that space. I’m also not sure if there are legal or policy reasons that the university wouldn’t want the vendors in the Kinnick lot. I’m pretty sure that the people who currently park next to the stadium aren’t really providing nearly as much revenue in parking fees as they do in donations, press box suites, etc. The ability to purchase parking in that lot is a perk of all the money they spend. Besides, the RV lot will be going away in a year or so which is probably just going to make people donate more money for the ability to purchase a parking spot.

Also, I doubt that moving the vendors off of the South side of Melrose would have all that much of an impact on the pedestrian situation. Pedestrians spill onto the street along Melrose before you get to the vendors from either direction. To reduce the amount of pedestrians crossing Melrose or walking in Melrose you would need to find a way to remove all parking south of the street in IC or anywhere in UH.

by PackerHawk on Apr 16, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

The RV lot by the stadium is going away in 2 years?

Why?

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Apr 16, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Iowa City Council discusses Melrose issue

UI Daily Iowan Article

It sounds like Mayor Hayek and the Melrose Neighborhood Association want to take a more reasoned approach on this while Councilor Mike Wright is using it as a means to end vendors on Melrose. At least that is my take on the article.

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Apr 18, 2011 9:01 AM CDT reply actions  

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