Wes Washpun and Iowa Basketball Recruiting: The Price Of Being Late To The Party
The hoopyball recruiting season is in full swing but so far no one wants to let the Franimal take them to prom this spring. The latest recruit to snub Fran's wooing was Wes Washpun, a late blooming recruit from Cedar Rapids Washington (and teammate of already-signed Iowa recruit Josh Oglesby) who opted to head to Tennessee instead. On one hand, his decision isn't too surprising: Tennessee is a BCS school with far more recent success and their new coach, Cuonzo Martin, had been (by all accounts) Washpun's most dogged pursuer when he was at Missouri State. On the other hand, it always stings when a kid who grew up a Hawkeye fan and goes to school 20 minutes up the road spurns Iowa for a school hundreds of miles away.
Based on the way McCaffery handled Washpun's recruitment (not offering until last week, not really staying in close contact with Washpun), it seems pretty obvious that he saw Washpun as a fallback recruit. Which would probably be fine if he wasn't striking out on all of his first-choice recruits (the Eli Carter recruitment feels like a complete pipe dream and Cezar Guerrero left him at the altar for Okie State) and courting every JUCO point guard prospect with a pulse. (And he's struggling there, too; Pierre Jackson opted for Baylor this weekend.) There's no indication that Washpun is a can't-miss prospect (his shooting stroke remains incredibly raw, from the sound of things), but he has impressive athleticism and strong on-the-ball defending skills, which would have been very, very handy indeed. He may not have played more than 6-10 minutes next year, but (1) Iowa needs a guy who can do that and spell Bryce Cartwright during games, (2) Iowa needs more depth if they want to play the press-happy defense McCaffery has talked about playing here, and (3) Iowa needs better defenders, period.
Iowa badly needs a back-up point guard for next year (unless you really want a reprise of Adventures in Ballhandling with Gatens, May, and Marble) and Washpun would have capably filled that need. Again, Washpun himself isn't (by all accounts) the sort of blue-chip recruit that can radically transform a team; he is, however, a player who could have capably filled in at a position of need and a player for whom there is no obvious replacement, either on the team or among the recruits (prospective or otherwise).
It's not as if McCaffery has done a poor job of recruiting so far -- he pulled pretty impressive rabbits out of his hat with the Cartwright and Melsahn Basabe signings last spring and his two already-signed recruits this year, Oglesby and Aaron White, look promising. White, in particular, looks like a proverbial diamond in the rough: he had 19 points and was named the MVP in the Ohio-Kentucky All-Star Game this weekend*. But it hurts to lose out on talented in-state kids -- particularly in-state kids that are within spitting distance of the Iowa campus; Washpun's defection makes McCaffery 1-for-4 in landing top prospects from the Cedar Rapids area over the past six or so months. In addition to Washpun, Jared Uthoff (Cedar Rapids Jefferson) chose Wisconsin (presumably because there were no Bohannons for Bo Ryan to pilfer this year) and Marcus Paige (Linn-Mar) announced that he's going to sign with North Carolina next year (presumably because Roy Williams owns the state of Iowa and graciously leases it out to the rest of us).
* It's also possible that he got MVP honors purely because he didn't have a name that started with Tr-:
The Ohio team included four other Big Ten signees – Trey Lewis (Penn State), Trey Burke (Michigan), Travis Trice (Michigan State) and Traevon Jackson (Wisconsin).
After Clay Travis' epic 2K11 trolling campaign against the state of Ohio, we're pretty sure you won't see that many names derived from "Travis" used for Ohio kids 18 years from now.
The failings of the last two coaches to retain homegrown talent (the 2009 Mr. Basketball notwithstanding) are well-documented and though there's no indication that Washpun is a talent on par with Kirk Hinrich or Nick Collison or Harrison Barnes -- or even Jason Bohannon -- one of the problem with striking out on so many homegrown talents is that it puts a lot of pressure on McCaffery to score big with out-of-state kids. So far he appears to have a pretty good batting average there and if he can keep hauling in Cartwright or Basabe-style talents, more power to the Franimal. It gave me a few extra warm fuzzies to cheer for homegrown talents like Jeff Horner, Greg Brunner, and Adam Haluska in 2005-2006 -- but I also have plenty of affection for guys like Cartwright or Basabe whose only connection to the state of Iowa began when they set foot on campus. Still, it might not hurt to spend a little more time developing relationships close to home, too, just in case he finds himself in need of some local lovin' in the recruiting process.
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I know this is blasphemy
But does anybody really expect Iowa basketball in its current state to compete with the blue chip programs for recruits? Sorry to say it, but when Roy Williams, Coach K, etc eye an Iowa recruit it’s pretty much a done deal that they won’t be staying in state. Hopefully that will change in the near future, but a team with no winning seasons during your high school career is probably not going to be on many shortlists compared with a school boasting 13 straight NCAA appearances (Wisconsin) or one of the all-time great prgrams (KU, UNC, Duke, etc.)
I also think that Fran might have been able to land Washpun if Martin was still at Missouri St.
Unfortunately, agreed on all fronts
I hate Roy Williams. He’s taken the four best players this state has produced in the last 20 or so years (LaFrentz, Collison, Hinrich, Barnes) and might make it five if Paige turns out to be as good as people say he is. That makes me physically ill.
Good summary of Washpun too. He’s not a guy that would’ve made a ton of difference next year – 6-10 minutes a night to spell Cartwright or give him a few minutes at the 2 (best case scenario for him would’ve been a Wisconsin-style redshirt year to really get his jumper in order). He would’ve been a nice piece with Ogelsby (adds good shooting), and White (versatility, underrated). The prospect of the May/Gatens/Marble horrorshow as the back-up PG is very real right now.
And I agree – I think if Martin stays at Missouri State, Washpun picks Iowa.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
unless you find a kid that wants to build a program around himself
it’s not a job most top prospects want to take on, however. It means possibly giving up national spotlight for a chance (but no guarantees) at eternal fame in your home state.
i think we need to get to the point
where the best stays at home
and to do that we have to get better in lots of ways
i can only hope that every promising young man
in the state of iowa has it demonstrated to them by Fran
that they are wanted and needed
its complex and not just this peg in that hole
but i know what sort of stuff goes around
the locals have really strong programs
espeically the girls
and there is always tOSU interest in them
a realative who was the MOP in the state tourney two years ago
turned down a full ride at OU
to try and be a walkon at tOSU
granted with his 4.0 he got an academic in columbus
my point is he always knew he was wanted
and realized that he wasnt sullinger or craft
ableit he played AAU ball with them
because he wanted to be a buckeye
when we can get our program to the point where that happens
in the corn
we will know we have succeeded
for the most part it is integral to the pointy ball program
captain kirk has proved he is a coach
not because he gets the best
but because he develops kids with potential
fran need look no further than that
and do what he can to insure
the best don’t leave
easy to say, hard to do
god speed franimal
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
Well summarized, OH.
We’ll get there, its just going to be incrementally for now.
I am epic win. It is much inspirational, no? No pain, no pain - Rich Russian Guy from directv commercials
You and your damn facts.
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It's kind of unfair to blame him for missing guys like Utoff and Paige
Those guys were already being heavily recruited before Fran got here (especially Paige,although the odds of us beating UNC out for anyone are slim anyway), so he was playing catch up for the start. By most accounts he made up a lot of ground with Utoff and, like with Gurrero, just barely missed. What he can do over the next year will say a lot more about his recruiting in-state, since he’ll have had time to actually start building relationships with those kids.
Fran is planting seeds and we have to be patient on that
but he proved something that — to me — was very important last season: He can win ballgames he has no business winning. He lost a ton of close ones, and I choose to have the glass half full approach until I see mass transfers, boring basketball played by guys who cannot dunk or block shots.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Yep.
Rome wasn’t (re)built in a day. Those hot-shit recruits will come, but maybe not in year 2. We’ll get there. It’s just going to take some time. Next season will be even better, and some of those close games are going to end up going the other way. When – not if, but when – that happens, the odds of our landing the bigger-name recruits will increase. For now, we just need to be patient and thank fucking god we have Fran and not Colonel Boringpants.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 11, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
To be fair
Carter hasn’t set up any visits anywhere yet and hasn’t tipped his hand in the least. We could be the favorite, or we could be out of consideration, we really just don’t know anything yet, and neither does anyone else.
Also, Jackson never had an Iowa offer, so while we were recruiting him, it’s not exactly the same as missing out on Washpun.
Washpun might...and I say MIGHT
have been a tactical offer by Fran. Of course he would have been happy to get him but Fran might have been sending a message to Iowa high school and AAU coaches that he values Iowa guys. If he looks like he is only interested in out of state guys that is not a great rep to have.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I don't think that makes much sense considering all the other homegrown talent he's interested in.
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by SomeJerkPoster on Apr 12, 2011 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Except he still looks like he doesnt care about homegrown guys
because he offered so late in the process. plus didnt he already get an Iowa guy this year?
by justsomehawkeyefan on Apr 12, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
He got Washpun's teammate, Josh Oglesby
But all indications are that Oglesby is a much better player.
by The Mexican't on Apr 12, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
We could still get Peter Jok.
For next year, I mean (or maybe it’s the year after that?). He’s supposed to be good, right?
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 11, 2011 11:11 PM CDT reply actions
Two years from now, but, yeah, he's a big time prospect.
It’s going to be hard to pull him in.
His new HS coach might be a benefit to Iowa
And the fact that he’s already been recruited once to change high schools (I’m mostly kidding about that).
Honestly, not just them
Pretty much any school anywhere that fancies itself an athletic powerhouse.
I just hope that Fran has been in touch with Horner already. Seriously, if Fran lands Jok we should probably all send Horner thank you cards.
He's big-time, Jok
His US guardian is said to be a handful and was believed to be using Jok to get his own kid more (undeserved) PT. He was the one really pulling the strings at DSM Roosevelt, not the head coach. The whole situation over there is a mess, but the transfer to Valley is probably good for Jok’s development. Having Horner can’t hurt our chances.
But more immediately, we need to focus on the 2012 guys. Woodbury, Gessell, and Thok (Sudanese kid whose US guardian is the awesomely-named former Wisconsin player Duany Duany) would be an excellent start to the 2012 class. Woodbury and Thok are both nearly 7-footers, so they’d add some much-needed size, and Gessell is a tough-nosed guy. All three would be solid additions.
A poster on HR said recently it’d be a shock if Woodbury didn’t choose Iowa. A reputable poster over there said at least one program (didn’t indicate which one) definitely had Woodbury on their radar but were backing off and focusing elsewhere, believing that Woodbury is headed to Iowa.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
Wait, Horner is at WDM?
I’m out of the loop, when did that happen?
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Apr 12, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I think Woodbury is almost a done deal
I’m not sure we’re going to offer Thok though. We’ve got Meyer already and I doubt we’re going to take that many center prospects in one class. Gessell would be great, but it sounds like we’ll have a battle with Nebraska there.
Meyer isn't really a center, is he?
He’s more like a perimeter-oriented PF, no?
Woodbury and Gessell would be absolutely great gets for this program.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He calls himself a power forward but he's like 6'10"
I don’t think he’s that perimeter oriented either, although he supposedly has an okay jumper for a kid his size.
I keep forgetting we have Meyer committed already.
Thok might not get one, you’re right.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
A few thoughts . . .
First of all, Washpun even getting to the position of spurning Iowa for Tennessee took a perfect storm of epic proportions. A few months ago, Washpun had no High Major offers and was being ignored by Iowa. Fast forward, and Cully Payne has transferred, Bruce Pearl has imploded, Fran decides he needs some sort of Plan C for point guard, Cuonzo Martin gets tabbed from Missouri State to go to Tennessee, and there you have it. Completely impossible to draw ANY conclusions on FM’s recruiting prowess based on that weird turn of events, IMO.
Second, I’m still hearing from some fairly reliable folks that Hubbard is, has been, and will be the guy FM really wants to land this class. He’s the most obvious “instant impact” player and would be a perfect bridge between classes (25 years old, experienced, and available for two years). If he gets on board, I think people will quickly forget about Washpun.
Finally, as other posters have noted, recruiting is about relationship building, and even though this is year two, McCaffery and staff are still fighting an uphill battle in getting guys who have been targeted on other teams’ radars for sometime. This will change.
I remain very optimistic. Remember, the name “Bryce Cartwright” hadn’t even been heard or considered by Iowa fans at this time last year.
Faith, I has it.
I concur.
Fran’s free pass is good for a few more go arounds as far as I’m concerned.
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by BentNotBroken on Apr 12, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't consider it a free pass for Fran
so much as the benefit of doubt. He’s showed good progress in his first year and if he continues it next year with 2+ more of his recruits then the big time in-state recruits will land.
I’d say that getting Oglesby is very underrated for his in-state ability. Under Lick, Oglesby was not being recruited by Iowa. Fran went in with a summer AAU season and was able to land a top Iowa recruit.
I like what’s happening and I trust in Fran.
by BoilerHawk on Apr 12, 2011 2:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Tomayto/Tomahto
FM surpassed my 2010-2011 expectations when Iowa beat MSU by 20 and retained the best player(s) on the team.
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by BentNotBroken on Apr 12, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It could be argued that Fran is responsible
for Painter leaving Purdue for Missouri.
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
Agree. With all of that.
Well said.
They should have sent a poet.
by Bucketochicken on Apr 12, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
While I understand why mentioning that Washpun wasn't a great player, I think it misses the point.
When it comes to North Carolina and Duke, I don’t think there’s any regret about losing recruits to them. The only state schools I can think of that consistently keep their best players from those teams is probably UCLA and Texas? UNC’s other commit for next year is a Wisconsin guy. I don’t ever expect them to consistently keep those guys in state if those two schools come calling.
Again, while I also understand how the circumstances played out for Washpun to go somewhere else, it still takes some luster off of McCaffrey’s shine, for me. Those guys are the types you need to keep in state. If your the coach of a respectable state school, when you ask an in-state player who loves your team and hasn’t had any other high-major offers up until a week or two ago, you need to keep those players.
It’s certainly not the end of the world. Getting Glover/Carter and Hubbard or Katenda/Olaseni would do as much, if not more, for the actual basketball on the court as Washpun. (How many scholarships do they have? 3?) So it’s not the end of the world, obviously, but it is a little disappointing.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Caring is creepy
that said. Over signing is creepier. Seems to this wholly uninformed follower that Culluy Payne’s departure is more the story than Washpun commiting to a coach who likely was recruiting him well before FM was offered the Iowa job.
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by BentNotBroken on Apr 12, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
over signing?
I asked about scholarship #s specifically so I didn’t suggest over-signing.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
My interpretation is since FM
waited to offer Washpun only after CP left, that FM was being respectful and honest with Washpun and felt he had better prospects. Seeing as FM got the commit from Oglesby I don’t think he’s turned his back on instate players.
I hope the best for Cuonzo Martin and Washpun until(if) they play Iowa.
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by BentNotBroken on Apr 12, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm having a hard time getting disappointed over losing Washpun, a guy no one really thought much about a recently as two months ago.
Sorry. When we lose a guy who is a lifelong Hawk fan, sitting in our backyard that we started recruiting as a junior (instead of two months before he graduates), wake me.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I just loved his athleticism and ball-handling.
I think we should be more worried about guys they’re losing who aren’t that good, but to each his own.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
recruiting is a crap shoot...
at least at schools like Iowa.
So, if there isn’t critical mass around a guy, no need to get sad at the loss. This is like losing out on the last Ford Fiesta on the lot. It’s a perfectly nice car, but there are plenty others just as good, if not better. Just means you gotta take the time and make the effort to go to another dealership.
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