Hats off to Coach Brands and the Hawkeye grapplers
In case you missed it, the Iowa wrestling squad came up 2 points shy of winning a fourth consecutive Big Ten Tournament title this weekend. I'm sure that RossWBwill have an in-depth analysis of the tournament in its entirity up later today, but I wanted to take a minute to reflect what I saw Sunday afternoon.
I watched Session IV from the comfort of my own home. While I could complain about the B1G networks coverage of the final session (no coverage of the 3rd or 5th place matches at all? Except for the HWT 5th 3rd place match, which got a little corner of the screen intermittenly), I'll stick to what I saw on the TEEVEE.
McD: Great kid and exceptional wrestler. While Precin did a good job defending, McD was able to finally get a leg for a takedown. I had hoped for a repeat from the duals, but as it is, I'm happy to have watched him take the championship.
DSJ: I thought he had Taylor, and had he kept up his aggressiveness, may have been able to keep the lead. Hats off to Taylor, though. I only hope that DSJ gets a victory against him in the next three years. Taylor looks to be unstoppable.
Uncle Luke: What heart?! Man does that guy display the work ethic of Iowa wrestling! While I hoped for a better outcome, his efforts and aggressiveness made me wonder how different things might have been had at the Midlands.
Rasing: This past fall, had someone told you that Rasing would be the B1G champion, you might have laughed. You would probably guessed that Blake would get crushed by PSU's Wade, and you would have probably been right. But Minny's Tony Nelson did us a good one on Saturday, defeating Wade in the semis. Rasing nearly had Nelson on his back in the latter parts of the third period. If not for an injury timeout, Rasing would have scored the bonus points needed to secure a team victory.
While the seconds ticked down in the HWT match, I wondered if Rasing had any idea that his team could win the tournament if he could score bonus points. I was mad at him, for a second, because it didn't seem like he was trying to get those bonus points. I wondered aloud if he didn't care. As disappointment began to settled in, I found myself cursing Rasing as he clapped his hand running off the mat. A moment later, I realized that he is the 2011 B1G heavyweight champion! The feeling of disappointment now gone, I wondered what more can ask from a guy who went 1-2 at Midlands? He went above and beyond our expectations, right? Great job, Blake! Sorry for cussing at you (even no one could hear it).
Could we have won the team title? Yep. In a million ways. But I take the Brands high road.
“I call it getting tough in the tough situations. We’re OK. We’re OK if we improve. We’re not OK if we don’t improve.” - Via HawkCentral
I don't think any of our wrestlers underachieved.
So, the team title goes to Penn State. They did what (I think) we all knew what would happen. Hats off to the wrestlers (Piss off, Cael Sanderson)! But more importantly, great job, Hawks! And thanks to all of the fans in attendance.
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I agree. I think our wrestlers, for the most part, did very well.
Penn State won the championship, we didn’t lose it. It’s almost impossible to beat a team that crowns 5 champs, and we just couldn’t overcome that.
Hat’s off to Rasing too. He greatly exceeded our expectations.
Not too bad for a rebuilding year
Considering there were (at least) 2 Big Ten teams ranked above us to start the season, returning only 2 starters from last year and falling one point shy of tying a team that had 5 individual champions, I consider our effort to be great. While it sucks that we couldn’t make it 4 in a row, we looked very good and will graduate only 2 wrestlers.
As much as PSU wants to talk about their future being bright, Iowa’s isn’t looking too dim either.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
two things
1. Heavyweight at the top is too even. Rasing could win, Wade could win, anyone could win. Momentum is going to be huge for the NCAAs and thats why i think Rasing may just win the whole damn thing.
2. DSJ will beat Taylor, maybe next year. Taylor is coasting on his skills from what i saw and not really getting better, which is fine when your really good but DSJ is improving every time i see him, if it keeps up DSJ will be the best in the BIG.
by justsomehawkeyefan on Mar 7, 2011 2:56 PM CST reply actions
Question: Back in the 90s, would you have said Cael Sanderson was coasting on his skills and not improving?
Last year he was getting utterly spanked in scrimmages with Cyler Sanderson. Now he’s Big Ten champion. Coasting on skills?
And, of course, what you see as “coasing on skills” could not be anywhere near as bad as you seem to think.
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by ReadingRambler on Mar 7, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
kind of, yeah
im not tryin to knock the guy. when your the best its harder to improve, because you only get better by playing guys equal or greater than you.
but i dont watch penn state scrimmages, so i jumped the gun. we will see
by justsomehawkeyefan on Mar 8, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
The only disappointment
had to be Marion. I really believed that he should have finished slightly higher. But there is still rust and I hope he turns it on in time for nationals.
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by NileKinnickIronman on Mar 7, 2011 3:08 PM CST reply actions
as bad as Marion was, i dont see it happening to him again. and he can beat those guys
Gambrall is the biggest dissapointment by far. i never felt he had a chance in his losses really
by justsomehawkeyefan on Mar 7, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
Is it Next year yet?
if we kept Uncle Luke, next year would be beastly. 149 will have solid wrestlers, 165 will have solid wrestlers, and 197 will have a pretty good transfer.
next year will rock
by justsomehawkeyefan on Mar 7, 2011 5:09 PM CST reply actions
I'm excited about next year.
The holes in our lineup should be as good or better than what they’re replacing this year.
149: Just about anything will be better than what we got and between bulked-up Mark Ballweg, Jake Ballweg, a healthy Dylan Carew (knock on wood w/ two ACL surgeries, though), Josh Dwieza, or even a bulked-up Montell Marion (I don’t see it happening, but it’s probably at least an option), someone will emerge as a pretty good option. This is not an impressive weight in the Big Ten outside of Molinaro and even he isn’t exactly terrifying.
165: We’ll either have a bulked-up DSJ here or Nick Moore or Michael Kelly or a slimmed-down Ethen Lofthouse (possible if Evans beats him out at 174) here; I think any of those will have a chance to make some hay at this weight.
197: Getting Byers as a transfer is a huge stroke of luck. He should provide little (and maybe no) drop-off from Uncle Luke. We need to come up with a long-term plan there, though. (And at 184; not super-sold on Gambrall after this year.)
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Do you know if McD will be moving up?
I’ve seen some speculation on here as to that effect.
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by ReadingRambler on Mar 7, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
There has been a lot of chatter of he and Ramos swapping spots.
Since Ramos’ more natural weight may be 125 and McD may outgrow 125. And supposedly McD had some troubles with weight cutting at the start of the season (which may be why he took a little bit to ramp up into full-on killer mode). I haven’t heard anything for sure, though. My guess is he stays at 125 for as long as possible because he’s so dominant there.
Is there a chance Taylor moves up to 165 next year? I’ve heard that mentioned as a possibility.
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I thought both Taylor and DSJ
said they’d almost certainly be moving up a weight next year in the BTN interviews
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by therealCatnuts on Mar 7, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be shocked if Taylor doesn't move up. There are some who think he'll end up at 174 eventually.
As for, Howe vs. Taylor vs. St. John. Yee haw! I’ll have to take the safe bet and go with Howe there.
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by ReadingRambler on Mar 7, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
I think Howe would beat DSJ.
Curious about Howe-Taylor. If Taylor is as quick at 165 as he is at 157, he’ll be a real handful. He’ll probably need more takedowns than just the ankle pick to beat Howe, though.
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I’m sure Taylor will be even stronger next year, but Howe is still a beast.
Also, Taylor does have more than the ankle pick but, you know, scratch where it itches.
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by ReadingRambler on Mar 8, 2011 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sure he does
but my point was he didn’t have to even try anything else. DSJ has pretty good defense on single legs but Taylor never even gave him a chance with the ankle pick. Once DSJ forces Taylor to try something else on his feet then the match is going to be close.
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by ClaybornSmash on Mar 8, 2011 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
As far as Rasig celebrating coming off mat
I doubt he knew that Wade got bonus points – maybe they realized during the injury timeout but I would think Iowa’s coaches were more concerned with him winning his match. He probably thought he just earned you guys a share of the title.
I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.
For sure...
Brands was coaching the whole not, and I don’t believe that either Brands nor Rasing were thinking about bonus points. I wondered if Brands wasn’t telling Rasing to put Nelson on his back during the injury TO, but I assume that they were both much happier to have won the match vise the team title.
by hawkeye_heartattack on Mar 8, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
Team titles are nice
but i never get the feeling he cares about winning a tourney unless its the NCAAs…..and even then im not sure. i think he just wants each individual to win there individual title, and if they win the national title when they do that then bravo
by justsomehawkeyefan on Mar 8, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
I agree...
…and I’m sure most fans of wrestling feel the same way.
by hawkeye_heartattack on Mar 8, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Brands has repeatedly said
that if individuals take care of their own business than the team title will take care of itself. He doesn’t emphasize the team title, the team title is just a byproduct of winning individual matchups.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 8, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
You can't put a team finish on one wrestler
it ends up getting guys beat and defeating the purpose.
"The challenge is the same every year. The battle is in-state. The battle is the Big 10 Conference. The battle is national. The battle is planet Earth. And if they find life out there, then the battle will be universal." -Tom Brands
I've decided that I want a 230/235 lb weight class and raise heavyweight to 300.
I think it would be interesting. Guys like Nelson and… the kid from Michigan, they can cut weight down to 230-235, and then we could have some real behemoth matches at HWT. Granted, most guys who can be athletic at 300 and are wrestlers are probably football players, too, but still. I will admit that it’s interesting watching 240-250 lb guys with an active style wrestling the full-boned, less active guys.
I just think the nearly 90 lb difference in classes is too much. But whatever.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It's an interesting idea.
There’s a 215lb weight class in high school that just vanishes when you hit college.
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are there enough guys?
well……what i mean is Nelson is a top ten guy already even without the extra weight class. sure there is an advantage for a guy like Rasing, but its not like those guys are unbeatable either.
but i can see the reasoning for it too. i just don’t know if there is enough talent to justify it. i feel like one or the other would lose way too much talent
by justsomehawkeyefan on Mar 8, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that's the one thing I wonder.
But I have a feeling there are a lot of guys that were 191 (or whatever) in high school just grew too much, and can’t get below 205-210. Those guys put on normal weight, and they have a little fat at 235. They don’t have a place to compete in college wrestling other than to be a practice room guy. This would give them a chance to compete at a healthy 220 and have a chance.Someone like Nelson could decide to stay up or try to drop down.
I would guess,, about 50% of football players couldn’t make 197 and 75% of the guys (total guess) wouldn’t make it below 184, no matter how much they cut.
It would probably take half a decade or a 10 years to get some quality depth, but I’m certain you’d get some great wrestlers right away.
Like you said, now that every (or just about) state has added 215 at the high school level, it makes even more sense. I cut to 215 (from 250) precisely because I didn’t want to wrestle heavyweights. I don’t know what I would have done in college. But when I played football in college, I sat at about 243-245 at about 10.5% body fat. 235 would have been nice.
I gotta believe it’s been thought of somewhere. I’d be interested to see what the discussions on that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
correction: that RossWB mentioned about 215.
I don’t want to look up when it became widespread, but NE put it in sometimes in the 80’s or 90’s and Iowa added it about 10 years or so. It’s the natural growth of today’s athletes.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
There are plenty of wrestlers for this but no $
I see absolutely no chance of them raising the scholarship limit from 9.9. It already takes a financial genius to spread the limited scholarship money with 10 weights. So this only happens if they get rid of another weight class – 125 maybe? but not likely.
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
Personally, I would consider replacing 197 with 215.
It’s hard to find good guys at 197 as it is.
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That's interesting.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
what about just rasing and spreading out the weights more?
1-130
2-138
3-146
4-154
5-163
6-175
7-187
8-200
9-230
10-290
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I would not be opposed to that too much.
I don’t know about having a 290 division. 1) I’m not sure how many decent guys you’ll find at that weight. 2) I don’t think it’s a great idea to encourage 18-22 year olds to put on that much weight. (I feel largely the same about football linemen getting that big in college, but at least they aren’t inherently REQUIRED to get up to 290 the way guys at this weight would be.)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
HWT is already 285, no?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I guess, yeah.
And I guess guys (often) wrestle at that weight without weighing anywhere near that, so it’s probably not much of an issue.
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I have always thought wrestling is the sport for
guys with Little Big man syndrome. Let’s face it, without wrestling guys like McD, Metcalf and the Brands brothers would have no athletic outlet. I have issues with bumping the bottom weights up because it removes this outlet from a large number smaller athletes
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
I think more spectator friendly wrestling occurs
at the lower weights. If we are going to change anything about college wrestling, I would hope that it would be something that would help make the US more competitive internationally. I don’t know if skewing the weight classes to heavy necessarily does that.
"The challenge is the same every year. The battle is in-state. The battle is the Big 10 Conference. The battle is national. The battle is planet Earth. And if they find life out there, then the battle will be universal." -Tom Brands
Well, I'd rather just add a weight. I was just thinking in the alternative...
…to get a weight in between 197 and 285.
Gymnastics is a good sport for little guys.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Also:
Tennis
Baseball
Cross Country
Diving
Motorsports
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by therealCatnuts on Mar 10, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
good point
they do it in track and field and many other sports. Track and Field gets like 15 scholarships for the entire team.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
With some of the reading I’ve done tonight on Jim Tressel’s continued decline into the filthiest gutter of Rockbottomville, I want to say that as much as I dislike Iowa wrestling, I can’t tell you how much it means to have a new rival that doesn’t cheat, but got where it is today by hard work and a constant determination to be great by legitimate means.
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Everyone has hated Iowa wrestling for a very long time
but no one can claim that Gable, Zalesky and Brands have ever done anything except recruit and work their asses off.
Also, its great to have another school who is embracing wrestling (except Minnesota, because Fuck Them).
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by ClaybornSmash on Mar 9, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Actually.....
a lot of people accused Gable of violating finance rules to build a championship team with Roy Carver’s money. There were allegations that he used the Hawkeye wrestling club to funnel money to wrestlers. None of this was ever proven but it was pretty common chatter in the wrestling community back in the early 80’s.
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
I was at the tournament and I have a few thoughts
Penn State wrestled about as well as they could and (in my opinion) got a few breaks from the officials. Iowa left some points out on the mat and didn’t get any favors from the officials (e.g., Marion was never taken down by Thorn at the end of regulation, terrible call) and it was still a one point tournament. Bad tourney team my ass.
You can’t send wrestlers out on the mat thinking that they have to win a team title. If you push guys to get bonus, you end up getting them beat. That said, Blake darn near had him on his back at one point.
St. John wrestled very well and is right there with Taylor. I’m not happy about watching a guy never once make a move to improve in the down position, back off the mat in the third, and false start three times without getting a caution. What do I know, he is the “phenom”. Also, the Big Ten Network sucks. They played those awful interviews over the loudspeakers before each finals match. It sucked.
Jansson gave Howe all he could handle. That was a close match and had Howe running off the mat at the end.
Both Lofthouses wrestled tough. Ethan really had Ruth in his match. Not that impressed with Ruth, he coasts the second half of matches (as do most of the Penn State guys).
Every head to head match up with PSU, Iowa guys improved over their previous matches.
Iowa continues to improve and I am looking forward to Philly. I don’t see PSU getting more than 7 to nationals. I don’t think Pataky would get an at large selection (he only beat two unseeded guys at the Big Tens and hasn’t wrestled much this year).
"The challenge is the same every year. The battle is in-state. The battle is the Big 10 Conference. The battle is national. The battle is planet Earth. And if they find life out there, then the battle will be universal." -Tom Brands
Jansson gave Howe all he could handle. That was a close match and had Howe running off the mat at the end.
I forgot to mention this. I had Janssen winning in the finals in my picks because I thought Howe would withdraw prior to the semis, but Janssen was being the aggressor for most of that match and still looked good at the end. Howe is a beast but I like Janssen to pull at least one upset at Nationals.
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by ClaybornSmash on Mar 9, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
FWIW
I’m not a wrestling aficionado at ALL, but it seemed like the duals this season on average produced way less injury timeouts than the B1G tourney finals did. Highlighted by the ’"’"injury timeout’""’ in that heavyweight takedown on B1G network.
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I thought that one seemed pretty legit -- his knee bent pretty awkwardly.
There were certainly a few others that were really sketchy, though.
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For sure his knee bent
but wrestling isnt basketball. Wrestling is physical. Wrestling 101: Physicality. From a novice wrestling fan seems like dude knew he was pinned or close to it and at the same time he signalled he was hurt. Granted if I wrestled I would injury TO hours before the match.
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by BentNotBroken on Mar 9, 2011 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
I think it was mentioned on BTN during the injury timeout...
that Nelson improved his position in such a way that he would not have been pinned. As a wrestling novice myself, I have no idea if that statement was true. Rasing didn’t look all that upset about the injury timeout. If Rasing (or Brands) felt like they had gotten jobbed out of a Fall (and those bonus points) I think the scene at W-RA would have been much uglier.
by hawkeye_heartattack on Mar 10, 2011 8:26 AM CST up reply actions
I big problem in college wrestling is
that they allow wrestlers to put themselves into potentially dangerous positions rather than be turned or tilted. If you know that the official will stop the action before any serious ingury occurs then there is no incentive for doing this. It is pretty obvious to most involved when this occurs. If the refs let some kid who puts himself in danger rather than be turned get his shoulder dislocated and ending his season, coaches would stop teaching this practice. But it will never happen.
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
Excuse the noob-ishness of this comment,
but what you’re saying is guys will allow themselves to be put into positions that could physically damage them with the knowledge that the ref will stop the match rather than be turned for what could be a pin? And its obvious this is happening? If I understood that right, there IS something wrong and something needs to be done about it. Maybe there should be some points awarded to the person contorting his opponent in such a way that there is an injury time out.
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