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We Must Break You is the weekly round-up of news regarding the Iowa wrestling program, a breakdown of the rankings, and a look ahead to the weekend's action. Feel free to send any links, tips, suggestions, complaints, or bribes to bhgp.rosswb@gmail.com
PROGRAMMING NOTE: The Big Ten Tournament is this weekend, with Session I (First round, Quarterfinals) kicking off at 10am on Saturday and Session II (Semifinals, Wrestlebacks) getting started at 6pm. Sunday's action gets going with Session III (Consolation semifinals, 7th place match) at 1pm and Session IV (1st, 3rd, and 5th place matches) at 3pm. There's no TV (or internet stream) coverage of Saturday's action or Session III on Sunday, but Session IV will be LIVE on BTN. TheOpenMat will be streaming live audio coverage of all four sessions, though. We'll have open threads going here on both days.
Maybe ESPN does love us a little after all. On the eve of tournament season, ESPN writer Michelle Voepel takes the time to write a love letter to the sport of wrestling -- and to the state that is "its heartbeat," Iowa.
"You can't comprehend the fan base for wrestling in Iowa until you see it," said Hawkeyes senior Luke Lofthouse, who is from Utah but now will always be an "honorary" Iowan. "And it's the whole state -- for little league wrestling to high school to college.
"Where I came from we got pretty good crowds, but nothing like what we get here. And the fans know a lot about wrestling, it's not like they are just screaming. They know when to scream."
It's a well-written piece (and, no, not just because it has so many nice things to say about the state, the Iowa wrestling program, and Dan Gable), and especially informative at making you realize the incredible ties Iowa has to virtually every corner of wrestling. Just look at the top teams in the sport this year. Boise State is coached by Greg Randall, who grew up in Mount Vernon and went to school in Iowa City. Cornell is coached by Rob Koll, whose father was an Iowan who wrestled for UNI -- they also feature a native Iowan on their team, Justin Kerber of Emmetsburg. Penn State is coached by Cael Sanderson -- who wrestled at Iowa State. Minnesota is coached by J Robinson, who coached under Dan Gable at Iowa for years. And so on. About the only program of significance that can't claim some significant tie to Iowa, Iowa State, or the state itself is Oklahoma State -- and, hell, Mark Perry is John Smith's nephew and he won two national titles at Iowa. If the sport of college wrestling is a spiderweb, the state of Iowa is undoubtedly at its core.
Greatness never rests. You'd think that Dan Gable would be pretty content. After all, his legacy is pretty much peerless -- 118-1 and two national championships at Iowa State, a run to the gold medal at the 1972 Olympics in which he didn't concede a single point, and a coaching career at Iowa (355-21-5, 15 NCAA titles) that's incomparable. But then again, he wouldn't be Dan Gable if he was content.
Gable still reviews [his 13-11 loss to Larry Owings in the NCAA final] in his mind, like a mathematician going over the same equation for decades. He said the Patriots' loss to the Giants in the 2008 Super Bowl -- which kept New England from a perfect season -- actually brought him more clarity about the defeat that ended his college career."It took me to that event before I could start to close the door on studying my loss in 1970," said Gable, who went 118-1 at Iowa State. "I think I figured out the missing piece after analyzing it for all these years. It didn't take the sting away. But something clicked, and I understood why I lost.
"What it was came down to natural reaction. I always went for the pin. I did what was natural for me. I could have won the match without doing that. But I went for the fall, twice, the same way. I didn't adapt."
Leave it a football game to help him solve the riddle of a match that happened 40 years ago. That said, it's an invaluable lesson and one that sometimes gets lost in the mystique of the "Iowa style." Aggression is important, but it still has to be tempered with caution and awareness at times. It's a lesson every Iowa wrestler learns at some point -- just a few weeks ago Montell Marion learned it when he lost a heart-breaker to Kellen Russell. Gable used that mistake to springboard to his incredible gold medal run in 1972; let's hope Marion can do the same this year, starting with the Big Tens this week and the NCAAs in two weeks.
Sometimes you just want to punch an opponent in his goddamn face. Sadly, that's not legal in college wrestling. Enter: MMA. Amateur wrestling has proven to be an invaluable base for many MMA guys to work from as they got into the mixed martial arts game. In UFC alone, guys like Tito Ortiz, Matt Hughes, Josh Koscheck, Rashad Evans, Cain Velasquez, and (of course) Brock Lesnar have parlayed successful collegiate wrestling careers into enormous success in UFC. More recently, former college wrestlers like Penn State's Phil Davis and Oklahoma State's Johny Hendricks have made the transition from college grappling to MMA. Hell, the contender for the UFC Light Heavyweight Title later this month, Jon Jones, was planning to come to Iowa State to wrestle before his girlfriend's pregnancy forced him to change to some more lucrative plans. But this feeder system has mostly been one-way: it's led a lot of great athletes to MMA and helped that sport immeasurably, but it hasn't always done as much for amateur wrestling, particularly at the levels beyond college.
Says ISU coach Kevin Jackson in yet another ESPN piece (they're doing some great work this week):
"I do feel like MMA does hurt USA Wrestling's chances to win at the world and Olympic level. Because it takes away from our depth when we have very good wrestlers who choose to go directly from college to MMA."
Granted, the talent drain isn't the only thing hurting USA Wrestling on the international scene -- the fact that international wrestling (freestyle) has grown more and more different from college wrestling (folkstyle) hasn't helped matters; guys who are proficient in one style aren't necessarily going to be as skilled in the other. But there's no doubt that the emergence of MMA has hurt USA Wrestling to a degree. Although that hasn't been true with too many Iowa and Iowa State wrestlers. As Jackson notes in the article, many Iowa and Iowa State wrestlers continue to compete internationally after their college days are done. Cael Sanderson competed internationally for many years after leaving Iowa State. Doug Schwab did the same until taking the UNI job last year and Brent Metcalf and Ryan Morningstar are two of the most recent Iowa wrestlers to continue wrestling after graduation. In fact, the only former Iowa wrestler I know of who has gone into MMA is Paul Bradley, who was briefly on The Ultimate Fighter and continues to fight in various smaller promotions. There's no right answer, of course -- there's plenty of glory to be had in winning a medal for your country, but at the same time it's hard to fault someone for pursuing a profession that can make them many thousands of dollars more than they could otherwise.
Big Ten previewin'. As we've been talking about all week, the Big Ten Tournament is this weekend; let's see what various sites have to say.
* Intermat: Like Penn State to edge Iowa in the team title race on the strength of four predicted champions (Long, Molinaro, Taylor, Ruth). They predict a few Iowa champions -- one writer takes McD at 125 and another takes Gambrall at 184 (bold!), although at least one of them also picks Ramos, Marion, Janssen, and Lofthouse the Elder to make it to the finals. They're high on Welch at 149 (picking him to knock off DSJ before losing to Taylor in the final) and Alcala at heavyweight (tabbing him to beat Wade in the finals).
* The Mat. They don't offer a very detailed breakdown of the tournament, but rather a more general overview. They do offer some potential insight into the condition of Andrew Howe, one of the biggest question marks heading into the event:
"Howe is looking great," Davis said. "He ripped his hamstring and it was a pretty bad injury. He did a great job coming back. The doctors have been amazed by how quickly he’s come back. His body looks fresh. He went real hard with Travis Rutt in the room the other day and passed that test with flying colors. He’s looking really good."
Mind you, that's his coach saying that he looks great; he's not exactly an impartial observer. Howe hasn't competed in two months and, so far as I know, no one's seen him compete since then except for his coaches and teammates in the Wisconsin practice room. And it's not like they're going to admit if he's still hobbled. I don't think we'll really know much about his condition until he steps on the mat on Saturday.
* The Open Mat: TOM picks Iowa to win the team title -- even without crowning a single individual champion. They tab McD, DSJ, Lofthouse the Elder, and Blake to finish as runners-up and Ramos, Marion, and Gambrall to finish in 3rd (with Janssen and Lofthouse the Younger placing 4th). They go pretty conservative in their winner picks -- all 1-seeds except heavyweight, where 4-seed Tony Nelson gets the nod.
* Hawkeye Report: Finally, Hawkeye Report chatted with former Iowa great (and current radio broadcaster) Mark Ironside on the eve of the Big Ten tournament; he names Iowa and Penn State as the favorites and provides some interesting insight into training and conditioning (among other things).
Finally: Brent Metcalf reads to sixth-graders. YOU WILL LISTEN -- OR YOU WILL LOSE A LIMB.
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So if wrestling were Catholicism, Iowa is the Queen Spider. Beautiful.
Gorilla Warrior Jackhammer Sauce.
Another Iowa MMA Guy
I forget his last name. Ross something. This was in the mid 90’s shortly after the UFC added a thrid rule beyond “No biting” and “No eye gouging”.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
RossWB?
RossWB does like to bite and eye gouge…
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 4, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Sometimes a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
One of my favorite Seinfeld moments
GEORGE: Let me ask you a question. Who would win in a fight between you
and me?
JERRY: Well, what do you mean?
GEORGE: Well if you and I ever got into, like a really serious fight you
know, and the punches started flying — who do you think would win?
JERRY: Well I think that’s pretty obvious.
GEORGE: Yeah. Me too.
(Elaine enters carrying a cup of coffee)
JERRY: Hey Elaine.
ELAINE: Hey.
JERRY: Who, who, who do you think would win in a fight between me and
ah, gorgeous George here. (pointing up and down at George)
ELAINE: You mean in a real Fight Fight?
JERRY: Mona a Baldo.
ELAINE: George.
GEORGE: Ah-Ha! (he turns and walks over to the refrigerator)
JERRY: Why?
ELAINE: George fights dirty. (she sips her coffee)
JERRY: Really? What would you do?
GEORGE: Pull hair, Poke eyes, Groin stuff. Whatever I gotta do.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Mar 4, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
Weren't the Steiner twins in the MMA in the 90s?
by Carfino'sWay on Mar 4, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
It confuses me a little that Iowa had two Steiner brothers that wrestled in the 90s.
And Michigan had two Steiner brothers that wrestled in the 80s. At least the Iowa ones didn’t get into pro wrestling, too.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Can you imagine a tag-team match between 2 sets of Steiner brothers?
Unfortunately I doubt either of our Steiners were very Big Papa Pump-like.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Mar 4, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Royce Alger
Didn’t Royce Alger do some MMA before opening a pizza restaurant?
by The Naked Bootleg on Mar 4, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I think that's who I was thinking of
Royce, Ross. Close enough.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Sorry, Ross.
I was a little excited about the ESPN article and posted it as a FanShot yesterday and then I realized that I probably stole your thunder and that you would have the article here. And here it is.
No worries.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Re: Howe
I would expect to hear nothing less from a coach. It’s not like he’s going to say, “Yeah, the leg has healed up fine but he’s still having some conditioning trouble since he couldn’t really do cardio for over a month.” That’s an open invitation to wear him out and attack him in the third period.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
Yeah, it should be interesting to see what Howe is like in the third period.
Or how sharp his shots are. If his injury was as bad as it sounds, he probably wasn’t doing much of anything for 3-4 weeks. It’s tough to miss that much time during the season and not be off. I remember Chad Beatty didn’t look that hot at 197 in the Big Ten Tourney last year after missing most of the dual season with an injury.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
This is wrong?
They’re high on Welch at 149 (picking him to knock off DSJ before losing to Molinaro in the final) and Alcala at heavyweight (tabbing him to beat Wade in the finals).
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yeah, I meant Taylor, not Molinaro.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Also, that weight should be 157, not 149
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 4, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Christ, that sentence was full of fail.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Ross, do you know if the wrestling times are eastern or central?
I have seen some people say 11 am start time and I am not good with clocks. Anyway, Eastern or central?
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
Good question.
Looks like those are CST to me.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
The whole attitude around Iowa once Gable took over is what I would kill to happen in football
(but it won’t)
Gable and Brands (at this point) are guys who could win national championships at Lockport State.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
to avert driving people crazy
[no, there is no school called Lockport State]
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I agree to an extent.
But the history and culture have also made the state of Iowa a place with a lot of good wrestlers, so there’a strong talent pool to draw from. That helps immensely, especially in a sport like wrestling with limited scholarship funds. To me, it’s like putting a really good football coach in Florida and letting them go to town — you’d see incredible success there. (And, hell, we did; in a lot of ways, Urban Meyer is not so different from Gable or Brands). If you put coaches like that anywhere, I still think they’ll be successful… but maybe not quite to the dynasty levels that they could/did reach when they were at a place with tremendous resources.
That said, I also understand your broader point about the attitude Gable/Brands bring to the program versus what KF brings to the football team. I like KF a lot and have deep respect and admiration for what he’s done at Iowa… but sometimes I still wish he had someone who was more openly confident and aggressive. Ah well.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Culture vs. Attitude
Culture is chronically ignored in many sports as an important aspect of WINNING. That said, great coaches who are able to broadly instill a team attitude can, and have, succeeded in changing cultures and WINNING. Bring a great coaching Attitude into a pervasive Culture of WINNING and what do you have? More of the same.
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
Culture and attitude are critical
but so is a practice room full of current and past all-americans. Brands has the attitude to beat out the University of Iowa and recruit a #1 class of mostly Iowa kids to a school and state with zero wrestling culture but I can’t believe those kids would have developed like they did away from the Iowa practice room. Given time, I think there is little doubt Brands could have had Virginia Tech among the top two or three teams in the country.
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
yeah, I slopped that comment up quite a bit
I almost lawld at myself at the end of, but let it lie anyway.
But your point helps us all out with some clarity.
And hey, whatever happens this weekend, you guys are still the best opponents to have a virtual beer with. Good luck, and no injuries!
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
I cannot read that
without hearing WINNING in Sheens voice.. its annoying and fun at the same time.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Mar 4, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
They could do it. Philosophically, anyway.
Jim Johnson’s Eagles are always super aggressive. A non-stop Mike Leach type of offense. Just always go, always be relentless. It’s basically the opposite of Ferentz.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
FIGHT WRESTLE TRY INTENSE CAMMO JACKETS SWAGGER LUTHER CAMPBELL WIN
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 4, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
I could see why a PSU fan would want the Iowa football team to change its ways.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Is the B10 tournament on the radio or streamed on the interwebs anywhere?
More importantly, is there going to be an open thread; that’s probably where I’ll be getting my info anyway. The woman doesn’t get too excited about listening to wrestling…
by DJK's bongwater on Mar 4, 2011 11:11 AM CST reply actions
Open threads: yes.
It sounds like TheOpenMat will be doing audio all weekend. Obviously there’s a lot going on at the BTT and they can’t cover it all, so my assumption is that they’ll focus on the biggest matches going on — fortunately for us, that should (hopefully) involve a lot of Iowa guys.
And Sunday’s final round WILL be live on BTN.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I'll post a link to the OpenMat audo coverage tomorrow.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Because you're thirsty?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I keep accidentally clicking on those banners.
Yeah. I really want to visit Bud Light’s facebook page.
by DJK's bongwater on Mar 4, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
You’re awake.
You’re losing your buzz.
It’s beer:30.
You’re a Hawkeye.
You have to write a really important paper which is greater than or equal to 40% of your overall grade.
Your beer barometer(see: Beerometer) has fallen below 6 beers since passing out, which was the threshold for taking home the girl at the end of the bar. She’s still in your bed.
It’s Friday. (Also acceptable on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, and twice on Sunday)
But more than likely, like Ross said, you’re just thirsty.
by KegMaster on Mar 4, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Because you couldn't find a Bud Ice?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 4, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Can I get a Bud Ice Light?
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
Square root of MGD 64?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 4, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Initial reaction
Uncle Luke is the only Iowa wrestler with a pigtail match that I would actually want to have one, which is unfortunate. Not too many surprises this year.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 4, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, DSJ is also in a pigtail match... hopefully he can pull out some bonus points
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 4, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, also a number of our guys wrestle Illinois or Wisconsin guys
they have not seen previously this season. That could make things interesting.
Balweg has a tough pigtail vs Grajales from UM who pounded him during their season dual match. If I recall Mark lost by MD. Hopefully DSJ and Luke can rack up some needed bonus points. PSU is in 5 pigtail matches but are favored in only 3 of them.
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
I guess Janssen wrestled Polz at Midlands winning a close decision 6-5
with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.
It's good information to learn
sometimes you don’t win just by playing to your strength. Sometimes you need to use your opponents weakness.
He may have learned it in football, can he mention that to Kirk sometime, because I wonder if he’s learned that lesson.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
The Great Generals
“So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.”
- Sun Tzu
“Hit ‘em where they ain’t”
- MacArthur
“Montgomery sucks”
- Patton
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