Why It Matters That Ricky Stanzi Scored 30 On The Wonderlic
by RossWB on Mar 15, 2011 4:45 PM CDT
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A few weeks ago, we linked to the peculiar -- but intriguing -- statistical analysis from R.C. Fischer at Fantasy Football Metrics that indicated that, according to his formulas, Ricky Stanzi was the top QB prospect in this year's NFL draft. The lone data point missing from Fischer's set was Stanzi's Wonderlic score. No longer: according to Fischer, Stanzi scored a 30 on the Wonderlic. That was confirmed by FOTP Mas Casa today:
That's not quite the brainiac Wonderlic score that Alabama's Greg McElroy recorded (43), but it's still good -- and well above the make-or-break line for quarterbacks (25 or 26, depending on the expert). For what it's worth (which isn't much), it's higher than either Peyton Manning or Drew Brees scored (28). Our blog-buddies at SBN's Carolina Panthers site, Cat Scratch Reader, point out that Stanzi now passes a lot of the most common models that try to predict QB success in the NFL.
The biggest knock on Stanzi during the pre-draft process has been some accuracy issues at the NFL Combine (and there's some suggestion that some of those issues may have been the result of him throwing to a spot rather than a receiver); if he puts in a solid showing throwing the ball at Iowa's Pro Day next week (March 21), he may very well find himself going higher in the draft than any of us ever envisioned a few months ago.
Stanzi's progress up the NFL draft boards could have interesting ramifications on Iowa football going forward, too. Iowa has sent plenty of players into the NFL during Ferentz's tenure (36 over the past nine years), but a few positions stand out as spots where Iowa hasn't been as prolific as others -- quarterback is one of those (and wide receiver is the other). Finally sending a quarterback to the NFL will be nice enough, but if Stanzi is able to climb into one of the first two or three rounds, he could be a seriously useful recruiting chip. It certainly didn't hurt Iowa's recruitment of guys like Marcus Coker and Rodney Coe to be able to point to Shonn Greene, who parlayed a monster season two years ago into a top of the third round draft pick and regular NFL playing time. Iowa's already recruiting pretty well at the quarterback position -- both A.J. Derby and Jake Rudock look very promising -- but Stanzi's post-Iowa success could open even more doors.
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Everyone knows that the Ballgrope is antiquated, biased and not a true measure of one's potential.
by HawkeyeRecon on Mar 16, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention culturally biased.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Yes
both racially and especially gender biased. Also, too much influence of genetic factors in the magnitude of responses to the ballgrope.
I once had a friend who happened to be a velociraptor attempt the ballgrope.
Needless to say it didn’t go well. Fuck it though, he didn’t need a test to tell him that he can drive like the wind. He found his calling. Now he’s a famous racecar driver.
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by HawKCP on Mar 16, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes
Oh, wait, you mean not for our amusement?
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Mar 15, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Does not compute
brainiac…score…Alabama
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I don't want to say what I want to say.
"Yeah! I'll take a walk....over to Kirk Douglas's house!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 15, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Only an idiot would use ellipses?
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Mar 15, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it's worse than that.
"Yeah! I'll take a walk....over to Kirk Douglas's house!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 15, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Remember that he's from an upper middle class suburb of Dallas
He has the socioeconomic upbringing that worked to his advantage. and every university has some very high achievers, no matter how low their ranking.
I found a link to a fake but realistic wonderlic test the other day.
The questions were kind of fun.
OK, I'm as mad as I get when Trivial Pursuit has a wrong answer
In reality I missed only #s 18 &19, but they say I also missed 11 and 14. Their answer on 11 is just plain incorrect if you read the wording of the question (should be zero), and I chose the one without any parallel sides on 14. Whoever wrote their questions and answers should be sacked.
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by therealCatnuts on Mar 15, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
#11
I was in a hurry and didn’t read the entire question. I am an idiot.
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by therealCatnuts on Mar 15, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I did the same with #14 - it was the only one with no right angles.
How does one define “most different,” anyway? That’s subjective, and thus not a valid testable item by quantifiable means.
I also got 11 wrong because fuck you, it was hard. And I, like the graphic designer, answered “20” for #10, so Mr Wonderlic can suck it.
Standardized tests are fucking stupid.
I'm giving up Lent for Science.
by Bucketochicken on Mar 15, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I got 14 right, just figured it was the only one with 5 angles, all the others had 4.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Mar 16, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
That's why it's right.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Mar 16, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Same here.
Got 15 right. Without scratch paper math is harder for me, so I just skipped a couple of the more involved math ones.
I was told there would be no math. Math is hard.
I don’t want to talk about it.
by Carfino'sWay on Mar 15, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
35 - 14 out of 20
I somehow said October was the eight month of the year.
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by ReadingRambler on Mar 15, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, pesky August and September getting in the way of October.
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Mar 15, 2011 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Beware the Ides of Smarch
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Mar 15, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps that's when we usually play Penn State? Just wondering.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
No offense, but I am at a loss trying to figure out what this is supposed to mean.
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by ReadingRambler on Mar 15, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I did cheat
Skipped the ones that would require scratch paper. 13/17.
by imadirtyoldman on Mar 15, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
37. Then again, I work with the maths all the time.
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by Patrick Vint on Mar 15, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
You become a Ginger when you drink?
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by therealCatnuts on Mar 15, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we're rounding up
then so am I. Got 17 right (only got through 17) giving me 42.5
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
40 here.
Didn’t even mess with the typeset word problem. Stupid maffs.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Mar 16, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Ditto.
I skipped 3 questions because of the time limit. Of the 17 I answered I missed one. Damn you Inflammable!
by HawkeyeRecon on Mar 16, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Hint:
The eighth month of the year is not “Febtober”.
by The Final Gun on Mar 15, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Febtoday?
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Mar 15, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Light Urple
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Also, I am an idiot and missed # 17.
And 15 and 18, but those were harder.
by The Final Gun on Mar 15, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I missed 4
But I did it in about 2 1/2 minutes thinking it was going to be 50 questions. I thought I read somewhere that when completing the test players aren’t allowed scratch paper or anything, they have to do it all in their heads.
by Hank Thrasher on Mar 15, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Really? That'd be tough on some of the questions.
by The Final Gun on Mar 15, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
43.
I am of the same intelligence as someone who went to Bama.
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I also got 20 wrong. WHY DO THEY MEAN THE SAME THING????
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You got all of them wrong? 0 out of 20?
No one know why they mean the same thing. I blame it on Ben Franklin.
by HawkeyeRecon on Mar 16, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I learned that from Dr. Nick Riviera.
I'm giving up Lent for Science.
by Bucketochicken on Mar 16, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Perfecto!
Boom. Roasted.
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by jebushchrist on Mar 15, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha, dummy. You had posted this in the wrong spot previously
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by therealCatnuts on Mar 16, 2011 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
As I tweeted earlier...
This should seal his presidential candidacy, but Todd McShay only rates him a state representative at best.
Damn you super sperm!
Reminds me of an old joke: What'd McShay get on his wonderlic test?
A: Drool.
I got 99 donuts cuz a bitch ate one.
by Pain in the Sash on Mar 15, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
After taking a test similar to the wonderlic
Does it completely bother anyone else that Vince Young got a 6?!
I suspect he didn't even try
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by Blackheartnopants on Mar 15, 2011 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
He probably took it in Febtober
So no, I’m not surprised.
by Hank Thrasher on Mar 16, 2011 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
No, not if he banked half of his post-tax bonus.
Because that guy has exactly one more shot before he’s in the Arena league for a couple of years.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Not if he's bad at math
It’s heavily math-biased. 5h grade math, but still.
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by therealCatnuts on Mar 15, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
What I don't know
is if a) Stanzi can throw the 15 yard sideline; and, b) if Brady can. Face it, Ricky does not throw ropes. Maybe it doesn’t matter. Just don’t know enough about the subject, and in studying the fantasy guy’s very limited set of variables in his model, it’s not like you can find the answer there.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I loved that Ricky couldn't throw ropes
I hate the big arm guys, they usually just rifle it into the ground or way overthrown (this is my concern with Vandy). GIve me the guy with touch over the big arm any day. In college, that is. I’m thinking you need the touch and the arm in the NFL, I’m curious to see how Ricky translates. As Bellanca noted, someone like Brady was not noted for arm strength either.
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by therealCatnuts on Mar 15, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
But, Brady has a MUCH stronger arm than Stanzi and has perhaps the strongest and most accurate bad weather arm in the game
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Brady also has had how many years to get better?
I don’t remember Brady having all that strong of an arm right out of college.
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by BStylin Hawkye on Mar 16, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't see this, Stoops. Really?
I don’t think I’d put Brady in the top half of the league for arm strength. He doesn’t approach what a Flacco can do. I see an offense in NE based on timing, outside mismatches, and multipurpose backs.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
He's got a good deep arm.
It doesn’t seem like he riflesit on the short and intermediate routes, but he seems to be able to make deep deep passes just fine.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I stand by his cold weather arm as the finest...
I would even say his cold/bad weather arm is better than Favre and I don’t think Flacco is even in the discussion. Look at Brady’s QB rating in the second half of the season and look at Flacco., or any QB. Brady is actually a better QB as the weather gets colder, as it gets windier, as it begins to snow and rain.
Arm strength is not throwing a fastball. Brady doesn’t wind up like a lot of guys. It is throwing without a windup, on the money on an out. Compared to Brady, Flacco is fucking Luis Tiant with that windup.
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by StoopsMyAss on Mar 16, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
You know who could throw ropes?
Jake Christiansen.
by DrHenryKillinger on Mar 16, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Also: Penguins
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by therealCatnuts on Mar 16, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
For a second there I was like:
Why did someone hook up a penguin’s butt to a can of silly string?
But then I realized what happened and then I couldn’t stop laughing. I almost blew another blood vessel in my eye.
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Mar 16, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I have never seen a QB give such extreams
Most people think he is either going to 1. be a backup QB for his career or 2. Be the next Tom Brady. its stunning really
personally i just dont think he has the arm to be a hall of famer, but in the right offense he could probably have a long starting career
by justsomehawkeyefan on Mar 15, 2011 9:37 PM CDT reply actions
Brees and Brady don't really have much better arms.
Brady was also meh out of college. What round did he go in again?
Arm strength can be trained up more than some of the other measurables like Wonderlic
Or at least I assume it can; Tom Emanski sure made a killing trying, although he never helped me. I was a rag arm as a kid and pretty much stunk as a QB and just about every position on the baseball diamond. I could still rain 30 footers like my man Kingsbury though.
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Mar 16, 2011 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
i dont think Stanzi's problem is strength
as much as it is accuracy of the long ball.
by justsomehawkeyefan on Mar 16, 2011 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I have strongly disagreed with this, not sure why it became accepted fact
I thought Stanzi had a prettier Deep ball than any Iowa QB I can remember, and better than almost any college QB I’ve seen. His willingness to throw and propensity to connect on the long pass are what made me love him when JC6 continued to check down into the dirt and overthrow receivers on anything longer than 12 yards
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by therealCatnuts on Mar 16, 2011 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions
One of his best deep throws I can remember
was the one against Michigan in ‘09 to DJK that set up a score. I believe that’s the one being used on top of the DJK/Stanzi Marchifornication thread right now. That was a pretty tight window as DJK wasn’t far behind the safety. In fact weren’t almost all his good deep throws to DJK? There was a good one to Moeaki against Wisconsin too, but that brings up the point that a lot of QB accuracy has to do with comfortability between the QB and WR. If I recall at the Senior Bowl, he was being criticized in practice for accuracy, but had improved it and did a fine job in the game. Once he’s practicing hundreds of reps a day with the same WRs, does it really matter if it takes him a few extra reps to get the timing down, so long as it gets there by gametime?
I think Stanzi will be fine, but so much depends on him not being thrown into a crappy situation (shitty team, shitty receivers, unreasonable expectations, etc.) that it’s difficult to really say how he’ll do. The great NFL QBs have a pretty wide array of physical attributes and strengths/weaknesses, but they all seem to have a good head on their shoulders, the ability to stay in the moment and not dwell on mistakes, things we have seen in Stanzi the past two and a half years.
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Mar 16, 2011 3:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Not talking about his deep ball, which is a much easier throw than a 15 yard sideline.
Obviously he doesn’t throw Favre-esque rockets, but neither did Montana/does Brady. I just don’t know how much arm you have to have to play in the league. Tate and Banks were gone in 60 seconds, during their tryouts.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I wasn't referring to your comment, but to the 2010 meme
that I saw on almost all the 2010 game telecasts and Draft coverage. They constantly say Stanzi has poor accuracy on long throws. I understand and agree about the arm strength questions (and 09 decision making), but accuracy on long balls is a fallacious concern for me that seemed to be entirely new this year and strangely consistent. Maybe they’re just looking for warts now that he’s a Draft prospect, but it’s a strange wart to find nonetheless
As for Tate and Banks, I think it was quickly a height issue with them. They didn’t have enough Mike Vick (or even Doug Flutie) to overcome that in the eyes of coaches/GMs
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by therealCatnuts on Mar 16, 2011 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I certainly agree that the 'Ricky's inaccurate' thing is a red herring.
First, he is not inaccurate on tape. In, like, actual tackle football games? I can think of one game where he was squeezing the life out of the ball, and missing: Missouri.
Second, he was reported to be the most accurate at the Senior Bowl.
Third, he was throwing to strangers in strange drills at the combine. (I suspect that he’ll be just fine throwing to teammates at Iowa’s pro day.)
I had read once that St Louis had their day one QB drills set up to test what we used to call the sideline: throwing the 15 yard out across the field — and that Tate just disappeared moments later. That’s all I know, and it may be meaningless, about why Tate was cut so fast.
I think these NFL guys are a little like most major league baseball GMs: if you don’t throw hard and stand as tall as Flacco, you’re way behind the eight ball. Every major league team goes after the 6’4" monsters throwing 95, whether or not they can pitch. It’s worth noting that 30 years ago, guys won 100-200 games and never did get radar-d. Could Greg Maddox or Paul Splittorf or Jamie Moyer or Spaceman Lee or Mike Boddicker even get a shot today? Unclear. Do football GMs get distracted by arm strength? Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell.
I think the fantasy scout guy has an interesting model, and it seems to utilize predictive attributes that strongly correlate to professional success. But it offers so few attributes, it challenges my decision science skepticism: can one of the hardest positions in sports be reduced to a dozen measurements? At least some of the variables reflect much deeper observations: performance in big games, native intelligence, an emphasis on variables that reflect the true, objective function of the game (e.g., TDs per pass attempt being a great example, which buries Gabbart as a round one choice). Under his system, all the noise that we had to endure about how unfreakingbelievable Denard was as a QB would be swept away: Denard is not a good QB, at all, under his measurement scheme. Under his model, we probably have evidence as to why so many of us would greatly prefer to have Ricky over Terrelle Pryor, as well as evidence that shows how much genuine improvement Pryor showed last year. But it’s a very, very compact measurement lens, that model.
In my case, I just wish I knew how much harder it becomes to throw outside in the pros. I think it is much, much harder because the demands placed on much more athletic corners is much, much higher. And face it, we throw over the middle a lot more than you can probably get away with in the NFL.
Does Ricky throw as hard as Peyton Manning? He well might. He certainly throws as hard as Montana did. Maybe this is the real virtue of the fantasy model: it discovers the measurements that transcend core physical attributes. It will be fascinating to see if Ricky becomes an unsuccessful outlier, or the draft sleeper that makes this model predictive and central to understanding QB success.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
6th round for Brady.
Brees is probably the most accurate guy in the league. Certainly top 3.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Opinion extremes on Tebow >>> Opinion extremes on Stanzi
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by therealCatnuts on Mar 16, 2011 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Does Stanzi's brain tell him he can't throw a ball into the wind after October 15?
Because, if it does, it malfunctioned this season.
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It must
because it did the same thing last year on Oct. 31. Fortunately Iowa had the wind at their backs for that 4th quarter.
For Some Reason
It occurs to me that Iowa should have lost to Indiana last year. Jesus, 2010 just fucking sucked.
OK, back on topic!
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by Ornery Woody on Mar 15, 2011 11:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Really? Emily?
Aaaaarrrrgggghhh. I had Chantal picked out from the word go, and I lose the bet with the wife at the last second. Fuckity fuck
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by therealCatnuts on Mar 16, 2011 12:59 AM CDT reply actions
Ugh.
I hate that show.
Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.
by EnergizerHawk on Mar 16, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Should I be glad I don't know what he's talking about?
I suspect it’s the Bachelor.
Also, dirty little secret, I’ve actually been watching The Genuine Ken on Hulu. You know something is quality when it’s straight to Hulu. Anyways, Kurtis Taylor won. So there will now be a Ken doll in the likeness of a former ISU football player. I’m sure there was much rejoicing at CF this week.
I'm betting that Stanzi goes in the 4th round or even later
I hope I am wrong, but I would not be surprised to see him go behind Sash, Klug or even DJK. Yeah, okay, DJK is a long shot, but something tells me most teams after the first three rounds favor QB’s that are riskier picks—guys who have huge upside (read big arm and speed) but also could be total bust. Ricky is a safe pick with limited upside to me.
Last season told me that Stanzi can outwork anyone, yet with all that work he still looked incapable of making any more plays than he did as a junior. Yes, he limited his stupidity greatly. But, his wind ball is very worrisome, his accuracy is an issue, his footwork is not all that great, he reads the field a bit below average IMO, but he has a very good release point and is super coachable.
Ah, we’ll see.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I would be pretty surprised if Klug went ahead of him.
Even assuming Klug runs a 4.7 or better at the Iowa Pro Day (which he’ll need to do to get drafted), he has no position in the NFL. Occasionally guys without real positions go fairly high, but those guys tend to be freak athletes (a la Antonio Cromartie or Devin Hester or Matt Jones); Klug is a fine athlete, but hardly a freak. If he goes, I don’t think he’ll go until very late, if he goes at all. Stanzi may not go until the 4th round or so (I’m still skeptical that he’ll go earlier than that), but I still like him to get taken before Klug.
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I don't know. Look how Matt Roth has really found a home at OLB in the 3-4.
Any guy who runs a 4.67, has 10 percent body fat, weighs 275, and used to play fullback, I think gets on the field. It would take a self-confident guy to draft him, but Klug has unbelievable measureables — and intangibles.
But maybe you’re right: maybe he’s a Mitch King: a true bubble guy who will get to play some fullback in summer camp, get moved around a lot, get a few years in on the scout team. The thing that holds me back, though, is he’s faster than a lot of tight ends.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
I certainly hope Klug is more like Matt Roth than Mitch King.
I like his odds of finding a niche in the NFL once he gets in a camp — he seems like a guy who could definitely flourish with the right opportunity. I’m just not sure teams will look at him too highly in the draft. But if he runs a 40 time in the 4.6 range and can convince teams that he can be an OLB in 3-4, then I agree that his odds for getting drafted get much, much better.
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Does he have hands?
Can he block?
He becomes your third TE, motion H-back, in goal line then.
He needs someone to say, “Well, a lot of people didn’t think Danny Woodhead could play, either. Not everyone fits a mold.” But in the conformist NFL, not too many personnel guys have the stones of Bill Belichick.
I would take the position that Klug is a better physical match for whatever position he might play, in the NFL, than Sash is for his. To me, Klug is the kind of guy who potentially blossoms at the next level, whereas I’m hoping Sash can last long enough to get his pension. Safety is a brutal position up there: there are no centerfielders any more, just guys who both do the brutal run-stop support — and run fast enough to get deep. I don’t know if he’s fast enough, and I don’t know that he can withstand the pounding in the box.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
We'll see, as you say. If you're right, he's a Rosenfels, and good for him.
One thing I really like about Stanzi is how he transformed his game between junior and senior years. That has to be extremely notable to the risk-averse NFL.
I also think we have to give him a little credit for putting together that senior year without a dominant RB, and without a passing game that did much with the RBs.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
The NFL is a passing league now. I don't think Ricky is capable of letting it fly. He squeezes it too much now
and I haven’t seen him hit guys on the numbers from the pocket.
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by StoopsMyAss on Mar 16, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
The Stanzi of September & October 2010 could have a nice NFL career
The Stanzi of November 2010, not so much.
I’m not sure what to think about his NFL prospects. I thought he played at a very high level through the MSU game, then became erratic and inaccurate beginning with the IU game.
I hope he has a great career.
Remember, remember the Stanzi of November...
Or better yet, don’t. Did we play any regular-season games after Halloween? Seems like I blacked out after the MSU game and woke up just in time for the Insight bowl. Odd.
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by Close Shave America on Mar 16, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
too many pancakes?
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by The Bacon Explosion on Mar 16, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Any word on other quarterback's scores?
I have read the over/under on Cam Newton is 15 which seems a little low to me. He might not be the brightest bulb but the guy can form sentences without help.
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by The Bacon Explosion on Mar 16, 2011 9:03 AM CDT reply actions
I didn't see any grammar stuff on the fakederlic
Great, he can speak decently in public and has a basic grasp of the fundamentals of the English language. Doesn’t help much on the Wonderlic if his logic, math, and pattern recognition skills are lacking.
I also like the Anti-Bust test for QB's.
1-Someone projected to possibly go in the first two rounds*
2-started 35 games
3-completed 65% of passes for career
*meaning he passes the “eye test” – GM’s don’ think he’s a product of the system like someone from Texas Tech or what-not
It’s not a guarantee of the guy being “really good,” but as of a few years ago, any QB that had those qualifications had yet to be a bust.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I would LOVE to see Stanzi as a Charger
Rivers is going to be here a while, would love to see him develop under Rivers and Norv, then be traded somewhere and get a chance to show what he can do or start for SD should Rivers (god forbid) get hurt
Stanzi's draft status to me is more interesting than any other Hawkeye.
Clayborn and Ballard are interesting becuase they’re both first-round talents, but Stanzi’s mixed reviews and seemingly fantastic potential give me something to look forward to on day 2 of the draft. I think he’ll work his way into a third round selection, and would be shocked to see him go any sooner.
I like Stanzi. He be the Manzi.
99% of his interviews were great to watch (except the Ped Mall one). You could see him trying very hard to put out the Kirk Ferentz line, while still relaxing once in a while to be himself. I think he has a pretty long ball and great pocket presence. His play action fake is also pretty damned good. His arm strength limits him on throwing frozen ropes, but I thought he was a damn fine QB for Iowa. He has “IT” when it comes to team leadership. That is the biggest concern that I have regarding Vandenberg. Not that I think he doesn’t have it, but as a first year starter it may be more of a challenge for him than making the throws.
Last year
most draft sites had him as a 5th rounder, though pretty much every single one said he could be a starter at the next level; which was confusing. I think he may end up late 2nd, to mid 3rd round. He’s a safe pick and the money would be right v. risk.
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