Surprise! Rhabdo-Gate Could Have Been Avoided
by Adam Jacobi on Feb 24, 2011 8:01 AM CST
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PrintSo quite understandably, the DMR issued a FOIA request over rhabdo-gate. To that end, here are 137 e-mails released by the University of Iowa in regards to that request. It's a lot of reading, especially when the same e-mail shows up four or five times and so many of the e-mails are just different ways of saying "we should talk more about this," but there are some seriously damaging documents here if you're patient.
We could ramble for hours and/or thousands of words about how the UI screwed this whole thing up from a PR perspective, but we already did that when things first started going down, so that's a rant best saved for a couple of beers at a certain watering hole. For these purposes, there is one main point worth getting across.
There was someone at the UI who warned everybody that the initial "we expect no further comment" release was a truly terrible idea.
Here's an email from a Tysen Kendig about that infamous press release, although it really could have been written by Vint or me immediately after it was sent out:
Understanding patient confidentiality laws are very much in play, I can't help but wonder if this raises more questions than it seeks to address by issuing it. For instance, it doesn't at all address what happened? What was the cause? Was it an incidental virus contraction, or some type of physical altercation that caused the hospitalization? Was/is there a threat to others who have come in contact with these individuals? Was it precipitated by some type of illicit activity?
I'm just wondering aloud if we're achieving any objective by issuing such a statement as written. All we really say is that players were hospitalized en masse, but don't cite a reason at all. That could lead to public health concerns to a small degree, but certainly to rampant and unfounded speculation. Plus, if a player, roommate, family member, friend, etc. decides to share with anyone -- notably the press -- the cause, I'd think we're at least going to have to be prepared to address that down the road in a general sense.
Now, you would think that somebody with the title of "Vice President for Strategic Communication" at the University of Iowa might have had a substantial role in the way the hospital and athletic department handled this crisis. And then you would read Director of Sports Medicine Ned Amendola's reply, and you would realize how wrong you were:
I appreciate your concerns, but giving too much information that is not confirmed also raises more questions. We have generally been very careful with medical issues and what is best for all concerned.
In this situation, the etiology is not completely clear, and Dr Smoot has done an excellent job taking care of these kids. We are still working on why this happened. This is a very uncommon diagnosis and to affect such a large amount of kids at the same time.
In my humble opinion it is better to give such a statement and if any questions arise we can deal with them as they come in, rather than give more information than necessary which may change as more data comes in.
The UI, quite obviously, sided with the orthopedic surgeon instead of the VP for strategic communications, because the orthopedic surgeon agreed with the grumpy stonewalling Rick Klatt and Steve Roe recommended throughout the email strings listed here (Roe goes so far as to thank Amendola for his reply without so much as addressing Kendig's concerns). Never mind that literally everything Kendig predicted came true, of course. That's clearly incidental.
And yes, Sally Mason says they should have listened to Kendig more and that doing so is a good idea. We'll believe a change is gonna come when it gets codified. Otherwise it's just more empty PR talk, and we've had more than enough of that from this athletic department.
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Saw this yesterday and read through half the documents
after reading that one I gave up in disgust that at least a portion of the SID saw the backlash coming and tried to take steps to avoid it but was shot down. I guess it turns out we only have one competent PR person in the SID. Ok, I’m done with this mess
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
I want this to be over
and to not talk about it ever again.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Feb 24, 2011 8:44 AM CST reply actions
Agreed
But its the offseason. Nothing else going on with Iowa football for the media to talk about.
by DJK's bongwater on Feb 24, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
That weak, fleshy "thunk-thunk" noise you're hearing
is Gregg Doyle’s turgidity hitting the underside of his desk as he reads through all this shit in sweaty anticipation of the bajillionmillion page views he’s going to generate this week.
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by Bucketochicken on Feb 24, 2011 9:13 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
+1
for “turgidity”
Jack Trice Stadium - Easily one of the Top 10 Stadiums in Central Iowa
by Not Marv Cook on Feb 24, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Lilliputian Turgidity
The angry inch.
by HawkeyeRecon on Feb 24, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That kind of gave me a boner.
And I don’t have a dick….
by stanzi's ex-girlfriend on Feb 24, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
You're welcome!
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by Bucketochicken on Feb 25, 2011 7:14 AM CST up reply actions
Sounds like Barta and Haddy had conflicting opinions from several "experts"
They appear to have chosen the wrong one to listen to. Happens constantly, just like in business or politics. Hopefully they’ve learned from the mistake, but that’s also not something that happens every time. And to play a little devil’s advocate, we don’t know the history of Amendola’s or Kendig’s standing with the decision makers. It’s quite easy to listen to the guy you respect more or has been in more battles with you over the guy that is correct.
I’m still not at all bent out of shape about this. They chose the opinion of the doctor responsible for care and confidentiality of these kids over the opinion of a P.R. person. It’s a conscionable mistake in my opinion.
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experts
Listen to the doctor on medical issues “can the kid suit up this week or not?”, listen to the vp for strategic communications on damage control “is a limp dick press release going to piss people off and create even more problems or not?”
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by sailorjerry on Feb 24, 2011 9:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Completely wrong
Listen to several experts with stakes in the game and weigh them accordingly in your final decision. No “expert” is correct 100% of the time on even their specialty, it’s probably much closer to 50%. Witness every divisive issue in politics, law, or business that has plenty of “experts” lined up on each side no matter how specific.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 24, 2011 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
really?
Before I say too much I should make sure I understand what you mean by ‘stake in the game’ because the parents of these kids had as much as you can put on the table at stake and they wanted heads on sticks by the end of the week, which I think very few or zero other people wanted.
Without that clarification, I will say that I think you’re either behind the times or in the minority or both. The president has a press secretary for a reason and its not to help decide whether or not to send troops to battle or tweak the tax code, its because that person is better at controlling the message of how and when the message is released, and by whom.
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by sailorjerry on Feb 24, 2011 9:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
When the president has a question on how to release new tax code
He’ll ask several people, including the tax guys. P.R. guys may get more weight but they’re not the only stakeholders, and may absolutely be over-ridden in the end.
I believe you may be the one behind the times by trusting that “experts” know what they’re doing nearly all the time.
And I’ll leave the parents question out of it, I don’t see how they would ever be labeled “experts” on this.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 24, 2011 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
sorry but you're losing me
I’m not placing infallible faith in anyone, but I am saying that this was a communications and PR issue so if I’m the decision maker (or among the group of decision makers) I give more credence to the guy who specializes in that area. I don’t send the nose tackle to punt the ball. That’s why I have a punter on scholarship in the first place.
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by sailorjerry on Feb 24, 2011 10:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think you're arguing my point now.
Your original post said to listen to the doctor on medical issues, listen to the P.R. guy on media issues. That’s not assuming infallible decision making on the part of either of them, but it’s saying listen only to the guy it most affects.
Then you state what I was saying: “give more credence to the guy who specializes in that area”. Your unstated assumption there is to listen to a bunch of opinions and weight the “expert’s” opinion more heavily. That’s exactly what I advocated. I think we’re arguing the same point, so maybe it’s not worth arguing.
Also, I agree with Grixxly’s point below, I decided not to touch on that previously but he had a good similarity with my own opinions.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 24, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
i dont understand what you're trying to distinguish
And I want even less to keep arguing with you. You called me completely wrong and now say we agree. Your first and second paragraphs read the same to me.
Is this just semantics and misunderstanding of short comments on a topic that upsets us? Probably. Can we still have a beer and discuss the upcoming marchinfornication bracket? Absolutely.
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by sailorjerry on Feb 24, 2011 10:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I take issue with this
and they wanted heads on sticks by the end of the week, which I think very few or zero other people wanted.
That seems to be the exact opposite of what I observed. I didn’t see a single parent quoted other than to say they still believe in the program and KF. And, in my opinion, any anonymous quotes were/are pure fabrication. What parent isn’t going to be furious and in front of a camera? Because of reprisals? Seriously? The backlash of any ‘reprisal’ would be a 1000 times worse than this episode has already had.
If anything, it was the people that didn’t have a ‘stake’ in it that wanted peoples head. Jim Rome was calling for KF to be fired before any information came out at all and he certainly has zero stake in Iowa other than sensationalism (his bread and butter).
I’m done talking about this. This was a sad episode and was handled extremely poorly. Can we move on?
i want to move on
You think the quotes were fabricated? That there weren’t very upset parents who aren’t currently shopping their kids around?
Look, I want it to be over too. I also want our program to learn from this and I never want the ‘gone baby gone’ tag to come back out on another story that upsets us all. But I’m pretty sure that as much as we want it to be this isn’t over yet.
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by sailorjerry on Feb 24, 2011 10:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
First reactions are rarely rational
After a few weeks, when Junior is out of the hospital and doing fine, that’s when the real decision gets made on whether or not he stays or goes. And it doesn’t matter what the parents want, the players are legal adults, it’s their choice. Parent’s can’t even get a copy of their kids grades from the U even if they’re paying the bills because those kids are over 18.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
not sure why some things are taken so literally
You think I don’t realize why Cecil Newton is in trouble? Or that 18 is legal adulthood?
Come on, I don’t need to tell you that parents wee pissed off and that my point was thy had a right to he and furthermore, they had the most at stake and the least decision making power. It’s why the father of a murder victim isn’t also on the jury.
I’m just asking you to understand (what I thought went without saying) that these parents have huge influence on their children’s’ lives and several are, together, looking at other options. I’m not making absolutist projections and I’m not trying to be argumentative. Just look at the bigger picture.
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by sailorjerry on Feb 24, 2011 10:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
My last comment on this subject
You think the quotes were fabricated?
Absolutely.
That there weren’t very upset parents who aren’t currently shopping their kids around?
Seriously? Shopping their kid around while said kid is in the hospital? So that kind of implies they think of them more or less as a resource instead of their fucking kid. And even IF they were such lousy parents, you think the UI wouldn’t grant a waiver? Like I said. Any reprisal would be a 1000 times worse PR wise than this episode.
They could have split the difference.
They could have released a little info to appease those with questions (it’s rhabdo, it’s uncommon but not unheard of, etc.) while still giving the wiggle room that Amendola wanted- – “this is what the tests seem to indicate… there doesn’t seem to be any other mitigating factors at the time, but we’re still collecting data and will release any new information or updates as they become available.”
That way it doesn’t look like incompetence or a cover-up, and allows the university/hospital to still controll the flow of info.
The big problem I see, without slogging through the e-mails, is “if any questions arise we can deal with them as they come in.” In a world full of twitter and facebook questions don’t come in one at a time, and can’t be dealt with as they come in. In fact, most questions don’t even “come in” anymore, they just go viral with ZERO hope of message control once that happens.
I understand a doctor not wanting to release too much, and wiggle room is important in any PR situation, but if they’d just sprinkled a few facts in amongst their non-release release they would have had a fine foundation that left a lot less room for speculation.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 24, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Even if they had said
“We don’t really know yet, we’ll tell you all more in a few days when w’ere sure” and then actually done that it would have been fine. Instead we got a “shit happens, go away” thing.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I agree that's the best way it could have been handled.
They didn’t do it that way, they fucked up. People make mistakes, especially in pressure situations like this. There were time and information constraints that make their actions quite understandable in my opinion, even if we can agree they were wrong in the end.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 24, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
I want to agree with you...
but, an organization of this size has to have a person who can break bad news in the most palatable way possible. They seem to have a guy for that job, and they didn’t take his advice. And, it could have looked like a cover-up, which is the last thing we needed after the December that the program had.
Am I correct that this was an incident where they said “We will not have further comment”, or was that back in one of the drug situations? Any idiot (including me) has to know that “we won’t have further comment” will not get you by in a situation like 13 players being hospitalized.
Seriously, though, the UI needs to get its sh!t (sorry, Ross) together one of these days, because they have seemingly bungled a lot of stuff over the last few years (Pierre Pierce, Everson/Satterfield, the drug rumors, and now this). If they don’t start handling these type of issues with the seriousness and responsibility they deserve, there will be a day when it really comes back to haunt the administrators, the school, and the whole state.
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by WaterlooChazz on Feb 24, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
Sympathy for the devil
It seems that the doctor is saying, “this is a preliminary diagnosis, so we don’t want to go running our mouths before we know what’s really going on.” I don’t disagree with him.
It turned out they were right about rhabdo, but what would have happened, PR-wise, if they put out a press release about rhabdo, then changed the diagnosis a day later? It only seems obvious now that they should have included it in the initial release because rhabdo was in fact the culprit. Would we be screaming about a botched PR job if they said it was rhabdo, then came out later saying it was something more serious?
Yeah I agree
The doctor’s point seemed completely reasonable to me. The athletic department could have handled this better, but jumping to conclusions before the diagnosis was finalized was not the way to do it.
That is true
But by the time that god-forsaken press conference rolled around (which probably never should’ve happened), they definitely knew what it was and botched everything from there on out. It only got worse for them after that press conference. What really is ridiculous is that they knew perfectly well they couldn’t say anything too specific due to privacy laws, which is why they couldn’t have Ferentz or any of the strength and conditioning coaches there (which is in the emails), and yet they didn’t even say that AT ALL in the press conference. Those absences were probably the biggest reason for the shit storm that occurred after the press conference. Instead they say how Kirk is on a recruiting trip. Face palm.
No, you just say, "preliminary tests seem to indicate rhabdo [and give a little schpiel about what that means and why they think that, and say...] but we are still monitoring the situation and will release any new information that comes to light"
or something to that effect at least
Stop the speculation in its tracks while giving yourself room to be wrong. By saying nothing it actually looked (to non-Iowa fans who weren’t following closely) kind of like they were sure of what it was, wouldn’t say, and weren’t doing anything but watching the players to see if they got any worse.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Feb 24, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
What a cluster
Those are the exact same emails that stood out to me too when I was looking over them yesterday. And you hit the nail on the head—they didn’t listen to the person whose job it is to handle these situations and instead just went with the extremely bad status quo of how they’ve handled things in the past and/or just went with what the head people (Klatt et al) wanted to do anyway. This unfortunately happens in orgs all the freaking time, especially when it comes to marketing/pr decisions (I might be biased here though since I’m a marketing person—a lot of people in organizations don’t fully recognize the importance of marketing/pr as STRATEGY like it should be seen).
Also, I wonder how many texts/emails/phone calls national media people have gotten as a result of these emails being released. In the first half of the documents alone, there was Joe Schad from ESPN, Pat Forde from ESPN, and a guy that I forget his name from the Wall Street Journal.
Every person in every organization thinks they and their department are undervalued.
Your opinion is probably the correct one in the end, but there were other strongly conflicting opinions they took into consideration when choosing which path to follow.
And those writers were going to go on a tirade anyway, it’s their job to get pageviews even if the story might be inaccurate or misleading, so I don’t think we would have seen a marked decrease if they said “Rhabdo” instead of “no comment”
In the end it’s a minor mistake that we have blown out of proportion because we’re eyeballs deep in Hawkeye Football obsession.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 24, 2011 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Not talking about the tirade or how they're going to get page views
I meant, they’re email addresses and phone numbers were in the emails released, so crazy people can call them now. You can call up Pat Forde and give him a piece of your mind by just looking at those released emails if you really wanted to.
Ah, didn't see what you were saying there.
That does sound like a FOIA fuck-up. On the bright side, Pat Forde deserves some pieces of mind.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 24, 2011 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
I think their strategy was “Get people to stop talking about problem or at least think we are not at fault.” And I think their tactics to make strategy work were essentailly “Tell people to stop talking about problem.”
At least Kendig’s there, that definitely proves not everyone is stupid.
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There's some serious dead weight at the U of I
And this is another shining example of their “work”. Absolutely clueless.
The last month of 2010
and the first month of 2011 provided ample evidence of the dead weight in the SID’s office. Leaving aside the medical issues, the PR problem in this case was entirely self-inflicted and abotu 90% avoidable.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Not trying to be all conspiracy theory or anything
And actually I’d like this episode to go away. But, where are the emails from the internal med guys? An orthopod would not diagnose or treat an internal med problem, even if he is the head of sports medicine. He states they were conducting etiology, but that’s all.
I guess I’ll just wait until the final report comes out.
Some of that is probably protected by patient privacy laws
by DJK's bongwater on Feb 24, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sure
But I would assume they would redact any names. Maybe they FOIA request wasn’t drafted very well and they declined to release any communications regarding diagnosis, etc. Has there been an official release date yet for the investigation? I’m so sick of this episode.
There may not be any
The medical info needs to go in the patients charts, which are private.
A long time ago I was working on a stock broker’s computer. I screwed up and lost a bunch of emails. He said that was find, nothing very important was in there. He explained that brokers did everything via phone, nothing in writing if they could avoid it. That way there was no paper trail to be subpeonad. (spelled wrong, cope). Think doctors are any different?
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Maybe
I understand any chart stuff would be private but it seems logical to me that there would have been communications about the diagnosis/prognosis, cause. But maybe you’re right, it seems a lot of professions prefer to have minimal paper trail.
Sounds like a stockbroker I can't wait to trust with my money
Wait, they all talk like that? Must be why I hate the entire industry.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 24, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Even if they're honest
it makes perfect sense. People are too lawsuit happy. Even if I make a good faith decsion to invest in Company X, if it turns out that X is an Enron and Y (who I had rejected) becomes Microsoft, my ass ends up in court even though I did nothing wrong.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
None of them are honest
Because they think they know anything about specific stocks. That’s dishonesty with themselves. It’s all luck, and to portray it otherwise in order to sell more of their services and charge fees is brutally dishonesty.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 24, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
That explains
how Warren Buffett became one of the world’s wealthiest men.
Being a good stock broker is hard and requires a lot of analysis, but it’s not all luck.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Warren Buffet is a great point to back up my side.
For the last 20ish hears has had an oustanding (unaccepted) offer for a $10M bet that the S&P 500 will beat any stockbroker over a 10-year period. Somebody finally took him up on it about 2-3 years ago, a conglomerator of hedge funds.
In any case, the important point is that he did this because he understands that not even he himself knows better than the average, and all management fees do is take away from gains.
BHHC has indeed been extremely profitable long-term, but two things to point out: 1) they believe in heavily spreading risk so as not to “bet” heavily on specific stocks 2) Warren himself has stated that the lack of large or prolonged down periods for his interest rate is primarily due to luck. He’s spent 40 years getting 18s and 20s at the Blackjack table of stock picking. Doesn’t make him the greatest Blackjack player of all time, just a lucky player that was smart enough to keep spreading the risk from the gains he got.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 24, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
If you really think
that Warren Buffet got to where he, and Berkshire Hathaway are mostly through “luck”, then you really don’t understand the quotes you’re using. Has been fortunate? Absolutely. Even lucky. But a lot of what gets passed off as “luck” is shrewd analysis and proper hedging against eventualities. There will always be things that are completely unknown, and not known to be unknown, but knowing where your blindspots are and attempting to safeguard against them are not “luck”.
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The term "Luck" is used maybe too often in my comment.
In short, I agree with you. Trying to condense complicated thoughts into a 50-word post is not always possible, I may not have accomplished that with the earlier comment.
This is the part where I agree with your sentiments:
a lucky player that was smart enough to keep spreading the risk from the gains he got
BHHC was built on the importance of analyzing long-term hedging and risk-spreading strategy, while paying much less attention to analyzing individual stocks. This is why you don’t want a stock broker who ever sells you on how great individual stocks or funds are, which means basically you don’t ever want a stock broker since that’s what they do/are.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 24, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Buffett analysis the hell out of individual stocks
For some time he has been in a rather unique position where he could, if he wanted, reach out to various officers at the companies he is interested in and pick their brains, but most of it is just him and his team pouring through financial documents and finding companies that are undervalued, then buying and holding. In the case of the rail roads, he found that the entire sector was underpriced and projected that shipping by rail was going to grow like crazy based largely on demand for coal in developing countries, so that was a double whammy there. He may spread his risk around by using what are really baisc diversification strategies, but he digs into the books of, and buys, individual companies.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Actually, I would say doctors would be different
The doc I work for would lose his mind without email. UI docs sometimes have multiple offices, and email (along with remote desktop) are an easy way to remember everything you do. Everything is done over email these days. Not to mention, you have people from SID, Athletics dept, Sports Medicine, and Mason, each with a workload that probably wouldn’t allow for conference call to fit into their schedules, let alone a meeting. So that leaves email discussion.
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by Give Eddie a Beer on Feb 24, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Did we learn nothing from drug-gate?
If the university says nothing, rumors and speculation are going to spiral way out of control. It seems like Kendig is the only one who realizes this.
by DJK's bongwater on Feb 24, 2011 10:06 AM CST reply actions
"Tell the truth, tell it all, and tell it first,"
How may episodes must go down for organizations to learn this vital PR lesson?
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my biggest concern as well.
We get that we don’t need dramatic changes that throw the baby out with the bathwater but for chrissakes show us some sense of improvement before someone from outside the program like sally or the trustees force more change than we need/want.
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by sailorjerry on Feb 24, 2011 10:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
and we can probably look behind us for that point
I hope the formal report on the investigation isn’t too heavy handed but I will understand why it is if that’s the case.
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by sailorjerry on Feb 24, 2011 10:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I am curious
a sports journalist (I forget his name) reported (hinted, implied?) that a number of the affected players may be looking to transfer out. Does anyone know if this rumor has merit or was this just another pundit stirring the pot?
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Agreed
I say since we have Coach [name redacted], we now also have “journalist” [name redacted] from now on.
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by ClaybornSmash on Feb 24, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
I like the quotation marks around the word journalist
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 24, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
I must've missed the Coach [name redacted] episode... who does this refer to?
by DJK's bongwater on Feb 24, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
It refers to
Coach [redacted] of course.
Duh.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
that is now coaching at a school in the southwest US
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by ClaybornSmash on Feb 24, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
Not the one that would be heirogliphically drawn as:
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 24, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Close, but you missed the "/2" notation
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 24, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Also, I now feel the urge to do these for all kinds of Iowa athletic celebrities.
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by therealCatnuts on Feb 24, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
Do it
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Feb 24, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
They're midgets?
I thought it was just a perspective problem.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Feb 24, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
It's so sad
when people can’t afford food
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Science: Reanimating corpses since 2002.
"The 'holy bible': a collection of writings by people who had no idea where lightning comes from." ~ Anon
by Bucketochicken on Feb 25, 2011 7:15 AM CST up reply actions
What "journalist" [name redacted] reported was that players could probably obtain a transfer waiver if they wanted to.
There was never indication that any players had intentions to transfer out. Misleading story, poor journalistic integrity.
by DJK's bongwater on Feb 24, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
I really hope this catches on
I would love never to see his name on BHGP again (ideally no one would read his stuff, but can’t force that on everyone)
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Feb 24, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
BHGP top notch.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Feb 24, 2011 1:20 PM CST reply actions
Also
Very, very important – please delete this post after reading it.
There's something about orange soda that is deeply satisfying.
by Loosemeatsammich on Feb 24, 2011 3:27 PM CST reply actions
To be doubly safe
Everyone should probably also rinse their eyes out with bleach immediately after reading this thread to erase it from your sight.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Now waaaait a minute
You mean to tell me that 13 players were hospitalized due to an illness that was most likely brought on due to their training? No shit!
Just tell me one thing and that’s all I care about. How did the staff handle the media?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
P90
So I’m think’n Greg Doyle in sweats at the practice field. He will be introduced to the parents shortly after they have watched the hidden video from the infamous work out. This coupled with the re-reading of articles from this fiasco and at least five minutes of group venting. I’ll give Greg say 10 minutes of work out time with the parents; going all P90 on him with no breaks and less talking. Then bring in the doctors. We will find out if his body is digesting muscle tissue or if he has simply died in his own fluids. This is where it started.
I've read this 4 times
and it still doesn’t make complete sense to me… What are you trying to say about Doyle and the parents of the athletes?
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Feb 25, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
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