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 We Must Break You is the weekly round-up of news regarding the Iowa wrestling program, a breakdown of the rankings, and a look ahead to the weekend's action.  Feel free to send any links, tips, suggestions, complaints, or bribes to bhgp.rosswb@gmail.com

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Where's Randy Savage?  (and so many more here)

Programming note: The Iowa-Michigan dual will be aired on IPTV at 1pm CST on Sunday  It was also supposed to be live streamed on BTN.com ($$$), but I haven't been able to confirm if that will still be the case.  Nor, for that matter, if IPTV will be offering a stream on their website. 

Swagger: we has it.  It may be anathema to Kirk Ferentz and the football team (except when Matt Roth was here, anyway), but Tom Brands and the wrestlers live it and love it.  What is "it"?  Why, StoopsMyAss' favorite concept, of course: swaggerSez J.T. Bugos in The Daily Iowan

So if confidence isn’t the right word, maybe swagger is.

Tony Ramos shows it with his walk. Montell Marion shows it in his talk. And Derek St. John shows it in neither his walk nor talk but instead by beating two top-10 opponents in a week.

All the grapplers show it on the mat, which is ultimately where it counts.

When you've won three straight national championships, ranked 2nd in the nation in a rebuilding year, and coming off a string of dominating wins (33-3, 31-9, and 35-6 in three of the last four meets), well, swagger comes naturally.  But, in all seriousness, swagger has been an intrinsic element of Iowa wrestling since Gable built the program in the '80s and it's helped them win more matches, meets, and championships than I care to count.  In an individual sport like wrestling, you need every advantage you can get -- swagger's just one more edge Iowa has on so many of their opponents.

Return of the mack.  The DI also got a nice Q&A with Montell Marion this week, wherein he talked a little about changes in his life and his road back to the Iowa lineup.  It's a good read:

And a lot of people think that my past accomplishments are the only reasons they wanted me back. Like "Iowa’s not No. 1 anymore, so they need Montell Marion back to add some fuel to the fire." But that’s not the case. We got these young guys; they don’t need me.

The reason that I’m back here is because I made some changes in my life to get people back on my side. And I didn’t do it the easy way. The easy way would’ve been to go to some other school. I had to enroll in classes without a guarantee, a lot of stuff that was hard. The fact that they gave me a standing ovation lets me know that I made the right decision and that people see it and appreciate it.

And he's right: it would have been easy for him to take his talents elsewhere, to a school where he didn't have as much baggage and where the expectations wouldn't be as demanding and where he wouldn't have to guard against the slightest infraction.  There wouldn't have been a shortage of schools willing to take on an NCAA runner-up with two years of eligibiltiy remaining.  But he didn't do that -- he chose to gut it out at Iowa instead.  Bully to him for getting his life turned around and good luck the rest of the season.

Star-divide

Geezers need excitement.  Unlike last year, when seniors comprised all but two starters, this year's senior class is considerably lighter: just two starters (three if you include Ballweg the Elder).  Neither Janssen nor Lofthouse is likely to go down as an all-time great like Brent Metcalf or a fan-favorite like Jay Borschel, either.  But they're good, solid starters who've worked their asses off; it's hard not to root for them to end their careers on a high note.  Lofthouse in particular has come a long way:

Lofthouse's story has a similar beginning -- he enjoyed a celebrated prep career that included three straight Utah state championships -- but until recently that's where the similarities ended.

Lofthouse was thrown into the Hawkeye lineup as a true freshman. He struggled early, posting an 8-17 collegiate record, but his efforts earned him the Coaches Appreciation Award. Then, rather unconventionally, he left Iowa for two seasons to complete a Mormon mission in Africa. He returned to campus and used a redshirt in 2007-08. Since then he's earned his way back into the Hawkeye lineup as a nationally-ranked 194-pounder.

Iowa won three straight national titles without getting significant points from either Janssen or Lofthouse, but they could be key cogs in the quest for a fourth straight national title.  Neither 165 nor 197 are terribly loaded weights, nationally, so Janssen and Lofthouse could pick up plenty of valuable team points for Iowa if they can put together good weeks at the NCAA Tournament. 

TEAM: #4 (Intermat - tourney) / #2 (NWCA/USA Today - dual) / #2 (d1collegewrestling - ?) / #2 (TheOpenMat - ?)

INDIV (Intermat / TheOpenMat / d1collegewrestling)
125: Matt McDonough
 (#1 / #2 / #2)
133: Tony Ramos (#8 / #10 / #9)
141: Montell Marion (#3 / #5 / #4)
149: none
157: Derek St. John (#7 / #6 / #7)
165: Aaron Janssen (#13 / #10 / #13)
174: Ethen Lofthouse (#11 / #14 / #10)
184: Grant Gambrall (#12 / #13 / #12)
197: Luke Lofthouse (#8 / #6 / #7)
HWT: Blake Rasing (n/a / n/a / #24)

Not much change for anyone not named "Derek St. John" or "Luke Lofthouse," but that was kind of to be expected.  DSJ and Lofthouse the Elder both zoomed into the top-8, which makes them (on paper, at least) likely All-Americans at next month's NCAA Tournament.  That's a big improvement from a month ago when both guys were idling in the mid-teens and Iowa's lone likely All-American appeared to be Matt McDonough.  Slowly but surely, the pieces are falling into place for Iowa to make a legitimate run at another national title.  They also moved up from 6th to 4th in the Intermat team rankings which, as I discussed last week, are based on predicted tournament scoring, which makes them a useful gauge for NCAA Tournament hopes.

#2 Iowa (12-0-1) vs. #23 Purdue (6-7-1) (6pm CST; AUDIO: KXIC-800 (free), Hawkeye All-Access ($$$)
LIKELY MATCHUPS (Iowa wrestlers listed first; rankings from Intermat)

125: #1 Matt McDonough (SO, 17-1) vs. Camden Eppert (rsFR, 9-11)
133: #8 Tony Ramos (rsFR, 15-3) vs. Akif Eren (rsFR, 9-11)
141: #3 Montell Marion (JR, 5-0) vs. Jake Fleckenstein (JR, 9-9)
149: Matt Ballweg (SR, 4-5) OR Mark Ballweg (SO, 15-3/141, 0-1/149) vs. Sam Patacsil (SR, 13-16)
157: #7 Derek St. John (rsFR, 13-3) vs. Colton Salazar (SR, 11-6)
165: #13 Aaron Janssen (SR, 21-5) vs. Kyle Mosier (rsFR, 12-9)
174: #11 Ethen Lofthouse (rsFR, 14-5) vs. #8 Luke Manuel (SR, 13-6)
184: #12 Grant Gambrall (SO, 15-4) vs. #8 A.J. Kissel (JR, 19-5)
197: #8 Luke Lofthouse (SR, 14-4) vs. #10 Logan Brown (SR, 17-4)
HWT: Blake Rasing (JR, 11-5) vs. Roger Vukobratovich (SR, 10-14)

PREDICTION
125:
McD FALL Eppert (Iowa, 6-0)
133:
Ramos MAJ DEC Eren (Iowa, 10-0)
141:
Marion MAJ DEC Fleckenstein (Iowa, 14-0)
149: 
Patacsil DEC Ballweg (Iowa, 14-3)
157:
DSJ DEC Salazar (Iowa, 17-3)
165:
Janssen DEC Mosier (Iowa, 20-3)
174:
Manuel DEC Lofthouse (Iowa, 20-6)
184:
Gambrall DEC Kissel (Iowa, 23-6)
197:
Lofthouse DEC Brown (Iowa, 26-3)
HWT:
Rasing DEC Vukobratovich (Iowa, 29-6)

OMHR isn't quite as bad as their record indicates -- they did just upset #6 Wisconsin, 18-16 -- but they seem to match up very poorly with Iowa.  McDonough is on absolute tear (four straight pins, five pins in his last six matches), so I'm not betting against him doing anything but sticking anyone who lines up against him.  Eren gave up twelve takedowns to Wisconsin's Tyler Graff a week ago; Ramos has been pretty tenacious the last few weeks, especially against overmatched foes.  Marion has looked a little rusty, but nothing that makes me worry too much about his odds against Fleckenstein.  I suspect a Ballweg will get a win at 149 one of these days and it could happen here against an unimpressive Patatcsil, but my coin-flip said otherwise.  DSJ scored a hugely impressive win last week and really seems to be hellbent on finishing the season well after that loss to Taylor.  But Salazar has only lost one match by more than a decision, so I don't really expect DSJ to get bonus points on him.

Janssen has looked pretty good and he shouldn't have too much difficulty with Mosier.  174, 184, and 197 bring Purdue's three best wrestlers, as well as three of Iowa's more inconsistent starters.  Manuel is good and has some solid wins (he has wins over #9 Jordan Blanton and #17 Ben Jordan), and I think he'll be a bit too much for Lofthouse this week. Kissel is coming off a pair of losses and has some unimpressive results on his resume; while Gambrall can be frustrating at times, of late he's been taking care of business, which is what I expect him to do against Kissel.  I probably would have picked Brown to beat Lofthouse a week ago, but Lofthouse's win last week really seems like a breakthrough for him and I think he'll keep the momentum rolling with another win.  And, finally, Rasing has been able to beat up on inferior heavyweights, which is precisely what Vukobratovich appears to be. 

#2 Iowa (12-0-1) vs. #10 Michigan (10-3) (1pm CST; VIDEO: see above; AUDIO: KXIC-800 (free), All-Access ($$$)
LIKELY MATCHUPS (Iowa wrestlers listed first; rankings from Intermat)

125: #1 Matt McDonough (SO, 17-1) vs. Sean Boyle (SO, 23-8)
133: #8 Tony Ramos (rsFR, 15-3) vs. #20 Zac Stevens (JR, 17-11)
141: #3 Montell Marion (JR, 5-0) vs. #1 Kellen Russell (JR, 27-0)
149: Matt Ballweg (SR, 4-5) OR Mark Ballweg (SO, 15-3/141, 0-1/149) vs. Eric Grajales (rsFR, 11-10)
157: #7 Derek St. John (rsFR, 13-3) vs. Brandon Zeerip (rsFR, 26-9)
165: #13 Aaron Janssen (SR, 21-5) vs. #19 Dan Yates (rsFR, 20-7)
174: #11 Ethen Lofthouse (rsFR, 14-5) vs. Justin Zeerip (JR, 14-9)
184: #12 Grant Gambrall (SO, 15-4) vs.Hunter Collins (SO, 8-14)
197: #8 Luke Lofthouse (SR, 14-4) vs. #11 Anthony Biondo (SR, 19-9)
HWT: Blake Rasing (JR, 11-5) vs. #10 Ben Apland (SO, 13-9)

PREDICTION
125:
McD FALL Boyle (Iowa, 6-0)
133:
Ramos MAJ DEC Stevens (Iowa, 10-0)
141:
Russell DEC Marion (Iowa, 10-3)
149:
Ballweg DEC Grajales (Iowa, 13-3)
157:
DSJ MAJ DEC Zeerip (Iowa, 17-3)
165:
Janssen DEC Yates (Iowa, 20-3)
174:
Lofthouse DEC Zeerip (Iowa, 23-3)
184: Gambrall MAJ DEC Collins (Iowa, 26-3)
197:
Lofthouse DEC Biondo (Iowa, 29-3)
HWT:
Apland DEC Rasing (Iowa, 29-6)

On paper, Michigan appears to be more formidable than Purdue -- they're ranked in the top ten, they've only lost three duals all year -- but once again the matchups don't look favorable for them.  Boyle has been fairly scrappy this year -- but he's nowhere near McD's league and, as noted above, until McD stops pinning everyone in sight, I'm not picking against it.  Stevens has kept his losses fairly close aside from a pair of major decision defeats to Andrew Long, but with the way Ramos is wrestling now, I think he can get those bonus points.  Russell-Marion is the unquestioned match of the weekend, with the recently-returned 2010 NCAA runner-up taking on the man who's owned the division all year.  This could be the first of a trio of meetings between these two, depending on how things shake out at Big Tens and the NCAA Tournament.  Right now, Russell seems to have the advantage beacuse Marion still looks a bit rusty and has been prone to putting himself in bad positions at times -- against Russell, that could be fatal (competitively speaking, anyway; it's not like Russell is really going to murder him).

Like I said above, one of these days Ballweg (one of them) will get a win at 149 for Iowa; why not in the final home dual of the season against an opponent that's fairly underwhelming?  Against the top guys in the Big Ten, Zeerip has been wildly outclassed: Welch and Taylor both tech falled him and Taylor got a regular fall (in just over a minute) when they wrestled a week ago; frankly, a major decision may be selling DSJ short here.  Yates is solid, but Janssen is better and, at home, I like him to leave CHA a winner.  The elder Zeerip's had an up-and-down go of things at 174; I think Lofthouse takes cares of him and picks up another win.  Collins has really struggled against the upper echelon of the Big Ten -- Wright pinned him in 34 seconds a week ago -- so Gambrall shouldn't have too much difficulty with him.  Biondo would be Lofthouse's third straight opponent ranked in the top-12, but he's been banged up lately and with the way "Grampa" is wrestling lately, I'm not inclined to pick against him.  Finally, Rasing's deal is the same as it is every week: he could beat Apland (he beat him 6-1 last year, fact), but until he actually beats a decent opponent, I'm not going out on a limb to pick him.

125: #1 Matt

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swaggerrrrrrrrrr!

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Feb 11, 2011 8:14 AM CST reply actions  

LOL, I heard that Gable is petitioning the NCAA

to add swagger points to the scoring formula.

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Swagger is just confidence with a pimp suit.

Meh.

"We keep you alive to serve this blog. So post well, and live!"

by ReadingRambler on Feb 11, 2011 8:32 AM CST up reply actions  

And a goblet.

If Swagger wears a pimp suit then he has to carry a goblet. With diamonds.

by The Mexican't on Feb 11, 2011 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Damn. I just did a GIS for "goblet" and there are some pretty freaky results in the first page alone.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 11, 2011 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Some people prefer the term "pimp cup"

Those people are just too lazy to learn the proper word.

by The Mexican't on Feb 11, 2011 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

The goblets I saw would be more likely to be used by a Satanist than a pimp, I think.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 11, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I love this blog.

"We keep you alive to serve this blog. So post well, and live!"

by ReadingRambler on Feb 11, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Just saw your thread for the PSU-Mich St meet

It was inspiring and creepy at the same time

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Feb 11, 2011 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Diamonds on the goblet

or in the goblet? The first is flashy, the second, though…daaaaaamn, muthafucka’s got guts of steel.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Feb 11, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Although the end result of the digestion process

would give the term “blood diamonds” a whole new meaning.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Feb 11, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Swallowing the diamonds whole would definitely be a terrible idea.

I imagine that Swagger has diamond teeth so he’s probably completely capable of chewing the diamonds.

I mean, I like to picture my Swagger with diamond teeth and my Jesus with a tuxedo t-shirt.

by The Mexican't on Feb 11, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

My Swagger also has diamond teeth

but they’re in the mouth of Robert Goulet.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Feb 11, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Did Marion go from unranked to #3?

Or did they just put his ranking on suspension as well?

by mikjones24 on Feb 11, 2011 8:16 AM CST reply actions  

Yea, he jumped straight into the big time

just like Long did when he started for PSU. When you are the returning National runner-up, you get that kind of treatment; however he now gets to earn it all in the next week when he faces Russell and Thorn. If he comes out the other end undefeated he will be the undisputed #1 ranked 41 lber.

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 8:27 AM CST up reply actions  

i wouldnt put it past him

i mean, the guy was rusty and he still managed one of the better comebacks ive ever seen against the number 5 guy.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Feb 11, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

there are wrestlers who would pay

to lick the rust off his singlet. And I don’t mean that in the creepy way that it sounds.

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think you needed the disclaimer.

Didn’t sound creepy at all.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Feb 11, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Until someone beats Marion

I consider him the number one wrestler in the country. The rust you speak of should be an afterthought at this point.

"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug

by Nature Boy on Feb 11, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Nice also that this ‘consideration’ will be so adequately challenged this weekend.

Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in 01. - former buckeye Antonio Pittman

by jtothep on Feb 11, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

They give special consideration to guys with proven track records who miss time because of injury/suspension/etc.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 11, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

It would be nice if the people in

the Athletic Communications Office (or whatever its called) would proof there work half as well as the BHGP proof reading staff.


Since then he’s earned his way back into the Hawkeye lineup as a nationally-ranked 194-pounder.

This may be the reason Lofthouse had some problems early on, he has been wrestling 3 pounds lighter than necessary.

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 8:21 AM CST reply actions  

"their"

//proofreading

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Feb 11, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

/irony'd

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Feb 11, 2011 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Boom....

Roasted

You may call me Don Diddles.

by ninerhawk on Feb 11, 2011 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I am toast with bitter tasting tears

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Fun Fact:

I’m probably one of the only people in the entire world that LOVES burnt, to a crisp, toast. Put a crapload of peanut butter on and it is heaven in my mouth.

You may call me Don Diddles.

by ninerhawk on Feb 11, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Before I forget, Thanks Ross for another awesome write up.

your thunder is safe.

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 8:22 AM CST reply actions  

Weird. You're Percy Jackson?

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 11, 2011 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I read those books.

Pretty cool shit.

Going, going, going, going, going, going, going, going.... Alright, I'll stop for now.

by EnergizerHawk on Feb 11, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Against Purdue, I think Ramos against Eren will be a Tech Fall tonight, DSJ gets the major dec and Ballweg the Younger gets his first win at 149.

Against Michigan, I think it should fall out exactly like you said. Funny how I’m more confident in a McD pin in 2 matches this weekend than that DSJ will get 2 majors against unranked opposition.

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Feb 11, 2011 8:48 AM CST reply actions  

I agree with the Ballweg outcome

I have to think we see Mark in the lineup from here on out. If last year’s qualifying numbers are any indication, Mark will have to place top 5 or so to get into Nationals (I think that is do-able). Brands has already said that both Mark and Montell need to be in the lineup and Montell just beat Ballweg in a wrestle off. I think the kid has enough skill to pick some people off at 149.

"The challenge is the same every year. The battle is in-state. The battle is the Big 10 Conference. The battle is national. The battle is planet Earth. And if they find life out there, then the battle will be universal." -Tom Brands

by Lycurgus on Feb 11, 2011 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I considered picking Ballweg to win at Purdue, too, but I was leery of picking two wins at 149, given how bad we've been there all year.

It’s certainly possible, though, since neither Patacsil or Grajales are that intimidating.

It’s entirely possible DSJ gets a major against Salazar, too. He was well on his way to getting one against Young last week before he just pinned him instead, but I also think Salazar is scrappy enougy to keep it something like 11-4, maybe.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 11, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

but its less of a dig at DSJ and more of a testament to McD’s ass-kicking skills.

"I don't believe in quotes" - Karl Klug

by Nature Boy on Feb 11, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Some wrestlers are content to just go at their own pace

Jaybo was that way for much of his career. Nothing seemed to phase him but he never seemed to be in a hurry to score points like Metcalf or McD for that matter.

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Marion will murderfuck Russell!

Take it to the Bank.

/SAWGGERED

"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST

by Dip-Shit on Feb 11, 2011 9:15 AM CST reply actions  

/Saw XVII'd?

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Feb 11, 2011 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Is that murder by fucking or fucking after death; I get confused

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Let me help.

It is murder by fucking.

"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride!" HST

by Dip-Shit on Feb 11, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

You can't underestimate the importance of peaking at the right time

and I really like how the Hawks are wrestling better as the season progresses.

I don’t think shutting out Purdue is out of the question. There’s not a match in that lineup we can’t win. The upper weights are going to be tough, though.

Everyone knows God is a Hawkeye

by TX Hawk on Feb 11, 2011 9:27 AM CST reply actions  

I can honestly forsee a shutout for the weekend

All 20 matches are vastly winnable for Iowa and we should be favored in about 14 matches with about 3 coin-flips. The only matches where I would consider us underdogs would be 174 and 184 against Purdue and HWT against Michigan (and as Ross noted, Rasing beat Apland last year handily). You could easily classify the 174 and 184 matches against Purdue as coin-flips as well. I will be disappointed if we lose more than 4 matches this weekend.

The three matches to watch that will have huge implications for Iowa’s title defense:
1) Lofthouse the Younger vs Manuel
2) Gambrall vs Kissel
3) Marion vs Russell

If Lofthouse and Gambrall can pull out wins, I’m feeling pretty good about their AA chances. If Marion can beat Russell, he becomes the undisputed favorite to win at 141, which would give us 2 #1 seeds in the tourney.

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Feb 11, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Very curious about those matches, especially Marion-Russell.

I’m more curious to see how Gambrall fares in a tourney setting than how he does this weekend. I think he will beat Kissel — Kissel hasn’t looked great lately — but he crashed and burned at Midlands, so I’m interested to see what happens at Big Tens.

Lofthouse-Manuel is a big match for his confidence (and seeding), I think.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 11, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I suppose the same could be said for DSJ as for Gambrall

Although DSJ has improved his form immensely since his disaster at the Midlands, it could be said that he has to yet to prove that he can wrestle in that format.

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Feb 11, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but you have to feel better about DSJ

DSJ has at least been impressive as of late. Gambrall……meh. no bad losses but no great wins either.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Feb 11, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Also true.

I guess I’m more encouraged by the fact the’s won two out of three against top ten competition — and dominated Young last week. Gambrall hasn’t had those opportunities, but he hasn’t been lighting up the guys he’s been facing, either.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 11, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

These guys are still young and

not accustomed to wrestling in the consolation bracket yet. The reality is that both will likely have to do well in consolations for the Hawkeyes to repeat as NC. I am sure that Tom and Terry will be motivating all of the wrestlers as to the importance of wrestlebacks. Iowa has won the NC two or three times without crowning a single champion.

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

The 2008 title was amazing for that reason

That was how you knew the Iowa wrestling was back. Wrestling in the consolation bracket takes a certain mindset, which the Brands brothers specialize in. Google “Tom Brands quotes” and see how many of them involve attitude. He is the perfect successor to Gable in that regard

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Feb 11, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

The 2009 Saturday morning session was pretty good, too

Morningstar’s win over Moza Fay, and Jon Reader; and Dan Erekson pinning Zabriskie… about sent me to the hospital with a heart attack. With only Metcalf in the finals our tournament was down to the guys in the consolation semi’s (and Dan Dennis picking up an injury defautl for 7th). Next to the 2010 finals, probably the single best session I’ve been to at the NCAA’s.

Everyone knows God is a Hawkeye

by TX Hawk on Feb 11, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder if that's the session CS meant, actually.

I seem to recall 2008 being a tourney that we had in the bag relatively early. I know we had at least three finalists that I can remember (Slaton, who lost, and Perry and Metcalf, who won).

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 11, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I meant 2009

Damn me and my fat fingers

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Feb 11, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

The beauty of playoffs.

Teams that markedly improve during the season still have a chance to be the best.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Feb 11, 2011 9:30 AM CST reply actions  

RE: Randy Savage

Duck Hunt & Last Crusade are ridiculously good.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Feb 11, 2011 10:05 AM CST reply actions  

I loved the Breakfast Club one.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 11, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

That website

makes me want a BHGP photoshop thread in the worst way.

Cyclone Fanatic Poster #1: "The key to being competitive in the Big 12 is to win bowl games."
Cyclone Fanatic Poster #2's reply: "Or the key to being competitive in the Big 12 is to be competitive in the Big 12"

by Pain in the Sash on Feb 11, 2011 11:08 AM CST reply actions  

Swagger...

It caused a local sports writer here in Virginia Beach to spend half of an article boo hooing something 5 years in the past.

http://hamptonroads.com/2011/02/reversal-mat-va-tech-rises-wrestling-ashes.

If I had any skills at all, I would have emailed him a Tom Brands edition “deal with it.”

by Feelin' Orney on Feb 11, 2011 11:09 AM CST reply actions  

Well...

Here’s their scheduleMost of their wins of note were at National Duals, although they did knock off Lehigh a few weeks ago.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 11, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah

we ducked the national duels simply because we feared the power of the Hokies. that is the only reason.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Feb 11, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

We probably didn't duck the National Duals to avoid the Hockies but

I still would like to know why we did.

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

They intensly train through many early tournaments

It may have been the right call for the team but it sucked for fans and is inconsistant with how Brands has communicated in the past – eg – “the Hawkeyes do not back down from anyone or anything.”

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by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

The last point

is somewhat mitigated by their performance in Stillwater and their convincing win over Penn State.

"The challenge is the same every year. The battle is in-state. The battle is the Big 10 Conference. The battle is national. The battle is planet Earth. And if they find life out there, then the battle will be universal." -Tom Brands

by Lycurgus on Feb 11, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting.

I’m glad they didn’t just scrap the program and that they’ve been able to rebuild it into a very solid program, in fact. And there’s no doubt that the Brands/transfer situation left behind some hurt feelings; if we’d been on the receiving end of something like that, I’m sure we’d feel pretty hurt, too.

That said, five years later, it’s probably time for them to move forward and simply focus on the good program they have now.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 11, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm still bitter that they refused to release the wrestlers and cost us a year of Metcalf.

And although we may have been sad that we lost a coach as tremendous as Brands and wrestlers like Metcalf, it’s hard to fault Tommy B for leaving to coach at his alma mater.

by The Mexican't on Feb 11, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

This

the fact that they cost some great wrestlers a year of eligibility that they can never get back says a lot about how they view their athletes. Wrestlers commit to coaches and not programs more so than just about any other sport.

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Feb 11, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

While not quite on the same scale...

Brands and Iowa seemed to embrace Schwab leaving pretty well. They knew it was time for him to flee the nest and grow as a coach. If VT hired him and thought he’d stay if Iowa ever called, their seriously kidding themselves. Any AD worth his salt has to know that was a risk in hiring him.

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by TX Hawk on Feb 11, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

It was a great hire for UNI

They get a young, talented and energetic coach to help build up their program while also increasing interest in UNI wrestling among Iowa fans.

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Feb 11, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I agree

I think I may have used too many pronouns in my post. Meant that if VT hired Brands and thought he’d stay…

Everyone knows God is a Hawkeye

by TX Hawk on Feb 11, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

It has been almost that long since the nameless one left for the southwest

and I am having trouble moving on. So I guess I can understand how they feel, especially given that the Scum Sucker from New Castle didn’t take a handful of future All Americans with him either. VaTech fans have some cause for hurt feeling; now their AD was and still is a slime bucket in my opinion.

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

The difference is that

I might have understood Coach [Redacted]’s move more if it was to Indiana as opposed to New Mexico. Brands was coming home. Iowa is where he belongs. He knew it and the Va Tech fans should know it too. If they had an alum that would drop everything to go there to coach, they would understand more.

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Feb 11, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

The Iowa fan in me agrees with you totally

but I can also understand why the Virginia Tech fans would be pissed.

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure they're that comparable.

Redacted’s move was a classic “jump before you get pushed” move. Plus, at least half the Iowa fanbase was ready to be rid of him. I’m guessing that wasn’t the case with Brands at VT.

I’m also guessing Brands never would have taken the VT job if he’d known that in a year or two the Iowa job would open up.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 11, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Brands taking the VT job

was part of the reason the Iowa job opened up. If Tom had stayed at Iowa, likely Mocco would have stayed and Zalesky would have had many of Brands’ VT recruits. I think part of Zalesky’s fall was the talent that left the state and the room when Brands left.

"The challenge is the same every year. The battle is in-state. The battle is the Big 10 Conference. The battle is national. The battle is planet Earth. And if they find life out there, then the battle will be universal." -Tom Brands

by Lycurgus on Feb 11, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that seems quite possible.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 11, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's not a perfect comparison by any means

I guess it would be equivalent to instead of hiring Ferentz after Fry’s departure we hired someone like a Harbaugh who turned our program around in 3 years and then got offered the Michigan job and took it. I would completely understand his desire to coach at his tradition rich alma mater. If he would’ve bolted for OSU then I would’ve been pissed.

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Feb 11, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I think there was a lot of borderline behavior with the whole VT deal (on all sides)

I think that VT was right to be excited by the Brands hire and also incredibly naive to think that he would be there for any length of time. There was bad blood when Tom left Iowa and I think things were probably already in motion to boot Zalesky. I wonder if Brands didn’t know as soon as he got to VT that he would be leaving very soon. I’m not blaming anyone for what they did, but I think that there was probably a little more using and abusing than there needed to be. I think Brands was using VT as a short stopover to get back to IC and I think VT thought they would have more time to take advantage of that situation.

"The challenge is the same every year. The battle is in-state. The battle is the Big 10 Conference. The battle is national. The battle is planet Earth. And if they find life out there, then the battle will be universal." -Tom Brands

by Lycurgus on Feb 11, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree that the reasons behind

each move were quite different; I unsuccessfully tried to relate that five years is not too long for fans to hold a grudge if you think the coach was a turd.

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Gotcha.

I think any VT fan who is still bitter about Brands jumping to his dream job at his alma mater is a little nuts, though. I can’t see him leaving VT for anyone else, really.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 11, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Jay Borschel wrote an interesting take on the Iowa-VT situation over at TheMat

It’s worth a read.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 12, 2011 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

It definitely shed some light on things

Bad form by VT

"The challenge is the same every year. The battle is in-state. The battle is the Big 10 Conference. The battle is national. The battle is planet Earth. And if they find life out there, then the battle will be universal." -Tom Brands

by Lycurgus on Feb 12, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Coaches leave for better gigs all the time

especially when the job is the premiere job in the entire sport. Metcalf and company didn’t really want to wrestle for Va Tech – they wanted to wrestle for Brands. They made their decisions, lost a year of their careers, and then came out and destroyed the world.

I get the hurt feelings to some extent, but every AD show know if they hire an Iowa alum to run their program and the Iowa job becomes vacant, they might be looking for a new coach soon.

by Feelin' Orney on Feb 11, 2011 11:31 AM CST reply actions  

I believe Brands stated as such on several occasions

He pulled the Roy Williams thing, I am your coach as long as Iowa doesn’t come calling. If so I am gone.

I can’t imagine Brands lied to anyone about his intentions, Iowa is a much better gig that he really, really wanted. And has done well for himself here at Iowa.

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by The Bacon Explosion on Feb 11, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Here is a list.

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Holy shit, I didn't realize that many programs had been cut over the years.

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by EnergizerHawk on Feb 11, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty sad

"The challenge is the same every year. The battle is in-state. The battle is the Big 10 Conference. The battle is national. The battle is planet Earth. And if they find life out there, then the battle will be universal." -Tom Brands

by Lycurgus on Feb 11, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya gotta wonder if some of these schools really dont have the money to fund college wrestling

especially the major schools. can SEC schools really not afford a wrestling team among them? i mean, if Coe college can afford it can Alabama really not?

ah well, gotta give that football team there huge amounts of money.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Feb 11, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

In some of these instances

it is really a case of an AD looking for an excuse to get rid of wrestling (e.g., I think Fresno State).

"The challenge is the same every year. The battle is in-state. The battle is the Big 10 Conference. The battle is national. The battle is planet Earth. And if they find life out there, then the battle will be universal." -Tom Brands

by Lycurgus on Feb 11, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont get why you would want to do that to any sport

i would think one of the jobs of an AD would be to find a way to keep as many sports teams around as possible. i would rather not see all sports die and be replaced with just football and basketball, that would be a boring world.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Feb 11, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I think there are some "cultural" reactions to wrestling more than

some other sports.

"The challenge is the same every year. The battle is in-state. The battle is the Big 10 Conference. The battle is national. The battle is planet Earth. And if they find life out there, then the battle will be universal." -Tom Brands

by Lycurgus on Feb 11, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder how many programs got the Title IX related axe?

Not to start a blame Title IX discussion, but I could see a lot of schools seeing the elimination of wrestling as a way to even out scholarships w/o much outcry from their boosters.

by PackerHawk on Feb 12, 2011 7:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Title IX has been the tool

but not always the motivation

"The challenge is the same every year. The battle is in-state. The battle is the Big 10 Conference. The battle is national. The battle is planet Earth. And if they find life out there, then the battle will be universal." -Tom Brands

by Lycurgus on Feb 12, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Does Michigan participate in a lot of tournaments?

Some of the wrestlers have made 30+ appearances this year, as opposed to our wrestlers (20-ish).

Although I was raised in Iowa, I wasn’t all that fascinated with wrestling, basketball was what I was interested in. I grew up watching Jess Settles, Klay Edwards, and Burt Lappe play for W-MU and Ryan Bowen at Ft. Madison. Living in ACC land, I don’t have much to say about hoopeyball these days, but the wrestling team me something to brag about.

by hawkeye_heartattack on Feb 11, 2011 12:58 PM CST reply actions  

The Iowa guys are on the low side of matches

A lot of teams started their season about a week or so before Iowa and combine that with the Hawks missing the Nat. duals, other teams are going to have more matches.

"The challenge is the same every year. The battle is in-state. The battle is the Big 10 Conference. The battle is national. The battle is planet Earth. And if they find life out there, then the battle will be universal." -Tom Brands

by Lycurgus on Feb 11, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Anybody going to the Purdue match tonight?

I’m taking my son and daughter – our first wrestling event. Figured since the Hawkeyes were in the neighborhood, we would go.

by IndianaLion on Feb 11, 2011 3:18 PM CST reply actions  

Obviously to show off to Notre Dame.

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by EnergizerHawk on Feb 11, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Penn HS's wrestling coach

wrestled for Purdue. He and the Purdue coach thought they could get the sport some exposure by coming to Northern Indiana, where there is no college wrestling (ND gave it up some years ago).

by IndianaLion on Feb 11, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

That's cool.

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by EnergizerHawk on Feb 11, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

By the way, why is South Bend on the North end of Indiana?

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by EnergizerHawk on Feb 11, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Hm, I figured it was something about geographic features.

Still, I thought it was interesting. Have fun at the dual tonight!

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by EnergizerHawk on Feb 11, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Make sure they don't get the dollar signs in their eyes

Once kids see the flashy lives of rich professional wrestlers it’s tough to bring them back to humility. Especially after they give themselves a killer nickname.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Feb 11, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

All those headgear and ringworm medication sponsorships

"The challenge is the same every year. The battle is in-state. The battle is the Big 10 Conference. The battle is national. The battle is planet Earth. And if they find life out there, then the battle will be universal." -Tom Brands

by Lycurgus on Feb 11, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah, that's the 4 year old (who isn't going)

He’s a totally “off the ropes” kid, ganging up on big brother and big sister (who ARE going) – maybe the big ones can learn some defense moves tonight.

by IndianaLion on Feb 11, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

for the same reason that

West Chester Iowa is southeast of South English, Iowa and both are northwest of Westwood Iowa. The early midwest town namers were all drunk bastards who didn’t know where the hell they were..

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

but at least South English is south of North English. Somebody was sober for a minute.

by IndianaLion on Feb 11, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, but West Liberty is Easterly from North Liberty.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Feb 11, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Is Rocco's Pizza still open in South Bend?

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by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

sorry, man

I have no idea. I live about 45 minutes SE of South Bend, and don’t eat over there often. I’ve not heard of Rocco’s, though.

by IndianaLion on Feb 11, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

We drive down St Louis Blvd on your way in.

If its still open they make a mean meatball pizza.

with the strength of a grizzly, the reflexes of a puma, and the wisdom of a man.

by Kluginator on Feb 11, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

THAT

sounds good. I may have to research the topic a bit further and stop in if it still exists.

by IndianaLion on Feb 11, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Iowa wrestling tonight and Sunday

and high school districts tomorrow. Good weekend of wrestling.

"The challenge is the same every year. The battle is in-state. The battle is the Big 10 Conference. The battle is national. The battle is planet Earth. And if they find life out there, then the battle will be universal." -Tom Brands

by Lycurgus on Feb 11, 2011 3:50 PM CST reply actions  

OH, shit! I forgot that it was time for sectionals and districts already!

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by EnergizerHawk on Feb 11, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Front page, sir.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Feb 11, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Grrr!

Where is today’s WMBY?

withdrawal symptoms setting in…

by TEXaco on Feb 18, 2011 3:02 PM CST reply actions  

I was just thinking this very same thing.

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by BStylin Hawkye on Feb 18, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

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