2011 Midlands Championships, Day Two: Finals Open Thread
by RossWB on Dec 30, 2011 6:55 PM CST
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PrintMidlands coverage (all times CT):
12/29: 9:30am -- Session I, 7pm -- Session II (Quarterfinals, consolation rounds)
12/30: 12pm -- Session III (Semifinals, consolation rounds), 7:20pm -- Session IV (Finals, consolation rounds)
TV: Northwestern All-Access (Thursday Quarterfinals); BTN (9:30pm CT; tape-delayed coverage of Friday's Finals)
Radio: Takedown Radio (internet radio), Hawkeye All-Access ($$$), AM-800 KXIC (free if you're in Iowa)
Liveblog: The Open Mat / Andy Hamilton at Hawk Central. I'll also be open threading the event on Thursday and Friday.
BRACKET Right here
And, yes, BTN's airing of the Finals will also be opposite the Insight Bowl. It appears that you can also access NW All-Access if you're a video.BTN.com subscriber, too.
NOTE: Given everything else we have going on -- the Insight Bowl tomorrow, Purdue b-ball wrap-up, the usual random insanity we're prone to delve into -- the Midlands Open Threads are going to be run as FanPosts so that they don't get lost in the shuffle. I'll bump them occasionally, but you should always be able to find them on the right-hand side of the page in the Fanposts section.
SESSION I RESULTS
Morning
Championship Bracket
125: McD FALL (6:01) Eppert
133: Ramos TECH FALL (22-6) Mendoza
133: Clark DEC (2-0) Demarco
141: Marion FALL (0:43) Phillips
141: M Ballweg FALL (3:24) Sabatello
149: Dorsay DEC (10-4) Grothus
149: Kelly DEC (7-3) DeAngelis
157: Fleming FALL (6:56) N Moore
165: Evans DEC (8-1) Smith
174: Lofthouse FALL (1:53) Kellogg
184: Wagner wins via BYE
184: Morrison DEC (4-3 OT) Fahler
197: Smith DEC (5-3) Lira
197: Gambrall MAJ DEC (10-1) Lukowski
HWT: Rasing DEC (3-2) Vukobratovich
HWT: Telford MAJ DEC (10-1) Tobin
Afternoon
Championship Bracket
125: McD DEC (11-5) Spjut
133: Ramos TECH FALL (21-6) Fillingame (no back points)
133: Clark DEC (7-2) Keller
141: Marion DEC (9-6) Depalma
141: Maple MAJ DEC (18-4) M Ballweg
149: Patacsil DEC (1-0) Kelly
165: Evans MAJ DEC (13-3) Jordan
174: Lofthouse MAJ DEC (17-6) England
184: Wagner MAJ DEC (13-0) McCall
197: Gambrall DEC (6-4) Vetterlein
HWT: Telford DEC (5-2) Scherer
HWT: McMullan DEC (4-3) Rasing
Consolation Bracket
149: Grothus DEC (8-2) Lauderdale
157: N Moore MAJ DEC (11-3) Schlitt
157: N Moore FALL (2:02) Dooley
184: Fahler DEC (4-1) Bebo
197: Fox DEC (11-9) Lira
Championship bracket
125: McD MAJ DEC (13-4) Germaine
133: Ramos DEC (5-3) Clark
141: Marion DEC (6-1) Garner
165: Fittery MAJ DEC (15-7) Evans
174: Lofthouse DEC (4-3) Cannon
184: Hamlin MAJ DEC (16-8) Wagner
197: Kennedy DEC (4-1) Gambrall
HWT: Telford DEC (2-0) McCorkle
Consolation bracket
141: M Ballweg MAJ DEC (10-1) Shober
141: Neibert DEC (6-4) M Ballweg
149: Grothus FALL (2:12) Tao
149: Kelly FALL (4:15) Porras
149: Kelly MAJ DEC (15-7) Grothus
157: N Moore DEC (4-1) Santiago
157: N Moore FALL (5:56) Fuller
184: Fahler DEC (4-1) Seidenberg
184: Fahler MAJ DEC (10-2) Foley
HWT: Rasing DEC (4-1) Herrin
HWT: Rasing DEC (4-1) Beale
Championship bracket (semifinals)
125: #2 McD vs. #3 Jarod Patterson (Okla)
133: #1 Ramos vs. #4 B.J. Futrell (Ill)
141: #1 Marion vs. #12 Krop (Princeton)
174: #2 Lofthouse vs. #3 Jordan Blanton (Ill)
HWT: #3 Telford vs. #10 McMullan (jNW)
Consolation bracket
133: #9 Clark vs. Mason Beckman (Lehigh)
149: Kelly vs. Caleb Irvin (UN-Ill)
157: N Moore vs. #10 John Greishelmer (UN-Edin)
165: #8 Evans vs. Corey Lear (Bucknell)
184: #8 Wagner vs. #6 Tony Dallago (Ill)
184: Fahler vs. #7 John Dickson (VT)
197: #7 Gambrall vs. #11 Dan Rinaldi (Rutgers)
HWT: #7 Rasing vs. #9 Connor Medbery (UN-Wis)
TEAM STANDINGS
1. Iowa – 79.5
2. Northwestern – 71.0
3. Oklahoma – 69.0
4. Edinboro – 56.0
5. Illinois – 47.5
Unless otherwise expressly indicated by BHGP editors, this FanPost is strictly the viewpoint of the author and is not endorsed by BHGP in any way.
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Can you toss up that link again?
Thanks
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
No problem. I've got the day off. Just me and La Nina watching terrible football and listening to wrestling.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
What's KCJJ number on the AM dial?
Going to FF w/ my mom. Is it 1630 w/ a little Neil Diamond action?
by Carfino'sWay on Dec 30, 2011 11:58 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Whoa
Awesome
"GO HAWKS!" - only cure for Hawkeye Envy
by BentNotBroken on Dec 30, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Is it a penalty to tackle them using the spikes coming out of their backs?
Is it like a horse collar? Gotta believe that makes it tougher for a RB to get through a hole.
BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!
by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Dec 30, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Designed by H.P. Lovecraft!
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 30, 2011 1:31 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Are they hoping to blind defenders
by wearing mirrors on their heads? It seems like something that bartender in the BWW commercials would do to send the game to OT.
@HankThrasher
by Hank Thrasher on Dec 30, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Science meets performance?
What the hell kind of science is that?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 30, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Nike describes the paint as "liquid metal".
Maybe that’s their science.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Clearly
after seeing him at Disneyland. He got out-manned by the two girls behind him.
Maybe the Wiscy fans can do some card stunts in the endzone to make him think he’s on a coaster.
BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!
by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Dec 30, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Is the KCJJ stream working?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
It was muted for some reason
Christ, I really should just go home today.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
go ahead
post your boss’s email and we will make sure he/she is aware of the situation.
"40 MINUTES OF MEH!" - djwoody
by The Bacon Explosion on Dec 30, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Clark wrestling now
up 2-0
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Who is doing the KCJJ telecast?
B/c he’s no Ironside. It’s not that he’s bad by any means he’s just a little monotone.
by Carfino'sWay on Dec 30, 2011 12:15 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Yeah, he's pretty chill. I think he's a Wartburg alum.
(Luther-Wartburg debate will now rage on for the next 30 comments)
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
I'm feeling much less punchy today, so probably not so much.
On a almost certainly related note, my family left my house this morning.
by StewMonkey13 on Dec 30, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Round of consos and then the semis
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Ross, the link to the Hamilton chat is yesterday's link.
There’s a new one for today:
should be fixed now
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Clark wins 9-5
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Not totally Hawkeye loyal
Pulling for Colon. He’s a fellow Clear Laker. The 33-pounder from UNI. Made it to the quarters. Now in wrestlebacks.
Because Iowa is one statewide small town, I work with his mom.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 30, 2011 12:25 PM CST via Android app reply actions
And we have a winner!
Wins 10-6. Will finish top 8. Could go as high as third. Not bad for a guy recovering from a broken jaw.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 30, 2011 12:29 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
133: Clark DEC (9-5) Beckman
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I believe Clark can finish no worse than 8th now
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I haven't seen a live bracket.
They generally update the brackets at the end of each session. All the info I’ve found is here
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
The link above is yesterday's braket.
Here’s an updated bracket from this morning:
by StewMonkey13 on Dec 30, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
There is no live bracket.
Here’s the most current bracket.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
This is seriously one of the busiest 3-4 day stretches of Iowa sports I can remember in a while.
MBB game with Purdue Wednesday night.
Midlands all day yesterday
Midlands this afternoon and tonight
Insight Bowl tonight
MBB game with Wisconsin tomorrow
Whew.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Kelly tied 2-2 after 1st
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
reversal
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
MK up 6-3 with 1:30+ of RT
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
MK wins, I missed the final score
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
So im thinking Kelly has won that spot
but honestly i like what i saw from Grothus too. he will be a solid backup, may even start later in his hawkeye career
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 12:44 PM CST reply actions
Moore up 5-1 in the 2nd
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Moore looks like a Maj Dec coming.
Yay bonus points.
157: N Moore MAJ DEC (14-4) Greishelmer
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
149: Kelly DEC (9-3) Irvin
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Evans is up.
Leading 2-1 with 1:14 RT after 1.
Evans up 6-3, lots of RT
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah, although I wish Evans had been able to hold him down at the end of the period
Don’t want to be giving up escapes with 2 seconds left in the period
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I don't really know what Lear's gameplan was there.
He was down 6-4 and at some point he was probably going to need to let Evans escape (which would make it 7-4) in order to try and get some takedowns.
I guess his idea was to try and turn him on the mat and get NF points.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah, not entirely sure.
He must have thought that he could ride him for the 80 seconds are so necessary to erase RT, but I don’t know where he expected to pick up the other 2 points.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
8-4 Evans
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
165: Evans DEC (9-4) Lear
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
All wins today should be for at least 8th correct?
"40 MINUTES OF MEH!" - djwoody
by The Bacon Explosion on Dec 30, 2011 1:01 PM CST reply actions
I believe so, yes.
That’s my reading of the bracket, at least.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
jeez, this year's midlands and last years are night and day
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 1:02 PM CST reply actions
I don't think so.
Should be Fahler, Wagner, and Gambrall as well.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Fahler, Wagner, Gambrall, and Rasing are still to go in consos
Tough matches for Fahler and Wagner.
Gambrall needs a strong showing in the consos today.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Wagner up 2-0 early
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
3-2 after a Dallago reversal and Wagner escape
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Not being in Iowa for so long
I didn’t realize how much I missed wrestling… might even try to go to the Midlands next year…
Wagner gives up a late TD to make it 4-3 Dallago
The Iowa corner gets warned because Brands was hot about that call.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Terry Brands has decided to go watch Fahler's match instead.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Great scramble by Wagner!
TD + 3 back points.
184: Wagner DEC (9-5) Dallago
Nice job, Vinnie. Big scramble near the end of the match.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
184: Dickson DEC (4-1) Fahler
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
well, we had to lose one eventually
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
GG not sounding very impressive
I think it’s still 0-0 in the 3rd
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
A ton of riding time from the 2nd, though.
by StewMonkey13 on Dec 30, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Not anymore.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
GG was wavering back and forth between going on bottom or not before this period
Sounds like he should have gone with his first impression and not gone underneath
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
GG finally gets the escape
:45 to go, no RT advantage
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
197: Gambrall DEC (1-0) Rinaldi
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
That was, as they say, "bowling shoe ugly."
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
HWT: Medbery FALL (2:12) Rasing
sigh
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Who's wrestling for points for IA vs unattached?
I’m sure it’s already been covered, but I missed it.
BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!
by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Dec 30, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Rasing is the only Point guy out so far
McD, Ramos, Clark, Marion, Kelly, Evans, Lofthouse, Gambrall, and Telford are the others
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks. That's insane
ly awesome. Saw that we still had 5 CH/5 WB, but wasn’t sure who.
BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!
by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Dec 30, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
jeeeez rasing
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 1:27 PM CST reply actions
McD 6-1
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 1:50 PM CST reply actions
125: McD (7-1) Patterson
Mcd to finals
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 1:54 PM CST reply actions
Ramos on mat about to start
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 1:56 PM CST reply actions
2-0 Ramos
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Halfway through second. Here goes the takedown clinic at 133.
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 1:59 PM CST reply actions
2-2
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Clark up 8-4 headed to 3rd
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Beating Colon from UNI
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
TR up 4-2 headed to 3rd, has a lot of RT
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
If only you could use more than one guy at a weight
having two guys this good is great, but it sucks too
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 2:03 PM CST reply actions
TR ESC, up 5-2
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Ramos wins 6-2 I think
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Marion up now
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
2-0 Marion, in on an early shot
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
He's facing Goettl from ISU
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
2-1 Marion after 1st
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Marion tied 2-2 in the 3rd
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Esc Marion, up 3-2
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
SW on Marion, :46 to go
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
141: Marion DEC (3-2) Krop
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Krop, that sounded like a close one
BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!
by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Dec 30, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Kelly got a forfeit win at 149
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Marion is gonna need to wrestle a LOT better to beat Maple.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
a Takedown?
BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!
by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Dec 30, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Kelly moves on via Medical Forefit
cant get any lower than 6th
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 2:19 PM CST reply actions
why the hell did that Tulsa guy lateral?
he had a blocker and empty space
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 2:21 PM CST reply actions
Oregon won't be the only team in the Rose Bowl with different uniforms.
Although Wisco’s changes are just tweaks:
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
It's a nice touch.
Similar idea to TCU’s rose frog from last year. I like it.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder if we could add a rose to the tiger hawk's mouth if we made it back to the Rose Bowl.
That might look sharp.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah. I think it'd be easy to do.
If they’d do as I keep telling them and go back to the flying Herky it’d be even easier. They could also have put an orange in the Hawk’s claws.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
They're not going to ditch the tiger hawk for flying Herky.
Not on the helmets, anyway.
I imagine you would be able to buy some shirts that had the design you’re describing, though.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I like flying Herky, but the tiger hawk is a better logo.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Ross is correct on this
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 30, 2011 2:52 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Meh, I'm not a big fan of roses
or hearts for that matter.
by Carfino'sWay on Dec 30, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
157: Monk FALL (1:52) N Moore
Moore will wrestle for 7th place.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
ew
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Iowa State off to a pretty solid start.
Look like they’ll be able to run all over this Rutgers defense.
Evans down 4-1 early
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
7-1
uh oh
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
Evans down 7-2 at end of 1st
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Some pushing and shoving btw Evans and his opponent
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Evans down 10-2
Evans needs a bit of a miracle.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
165: Abdurakhmonov MAJ DEC (11-3) Evans
ouch
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Evans has some work to do to catch up to the top guys at this weight.
I’m not too eager to see him wrestle Taylor anymore, either.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I would lean towards him giving up bonus pts to Taylor at this point.
But I don’t think there’s anyone else at 165 that would do any better, either.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Not the same thing.
Taylor is just really, really good at 165. I think Evans will be fine against most guys at 165 and should be able to fight for All-America status at NCAAs.
The voids at 149 and 184 (or 197, depending on what Gambrall does) are bigger problems. Although Kelly seems like a decent option at 149. I’m less worried about him giving up bonus points to Molinaro than I am Evans giving up bonus points to Taylor, even though I think Evans is, in general, a better wrestler than Kelly. It’s just a function of matchups.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
evans lost
im convinced eventually he will be really good, but right now he needs work on his feet bad
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 2:37 PM CST reply actions
on the bright side
if Iowa improves in the same way this year that they did last year after midlands, we will be an unstoppable team.
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 2:38 PM CST reply actions
Iowa State tried to get cute and use a RB passback to the QB.
Rutgers swat the ball out of the sky and nearly intercepted it.
Rhoads wasn't satisfied with one trick play and faked a FG on 4th down after a 3rd down sack.
ISU gets the first down by inches and are looking to go up 10-0.
Another 3rd down sack kills the drive.
Fake was wasted. Will have to try for the FG on 4th & 9.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
ii swear i just saw a rutgers football player judo throw an ISU player
but they arent playing any video evidence so i cant be sure
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 2:42 PM CST reply actions
takedown and nearfall pts
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
EL up 4-0
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
4-2 EL
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Wagner tied at 0-0 after 1st
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Will the finals start right after Session 3 ends? What time are we expecting to kick off finals?
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 2:50 PM CST reply actions
EL up 4-2 headed to 3rd
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
EL up 7-4
back to back reversals, then an EL escape
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
7-6 after a Blanton TD
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
EL escape, up 8-6
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
When did ISU join the SEC?
I ask b/c these ESPN comentators have their heads stuck WAY up ISU’s ass. That or they know no one outside Iowa and Big12 states even remotely know anything about ISU.
by Carfino'sWay on Dec 30, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
The game narrative is for...
non-traditional fans. We know ISU sucks, ESPN wants to pull in Joe Six Pack who just started a three-day weekend.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 30, 2011 3:02 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Yep
They got us and they know it.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 30, 2011 3:06 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Huh? Who got us? What?
You said the same thing I did in the second part of my comment is what I meant.
Me: “That or they know no one outside Iowa and Big12 states even remotely know anything about ISU.”
You: “The game narrative is for…non-traditional fans. We know ISU sucks, ESPN wants to pull in Joe Six Pack who just started a three-day weekend.”
Pretty much what I said only using different words. Right?
by Carfino'sWay on Dec 30, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. I was seconding your point.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 30, 2011 3:15 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
174: Lofthouse DEC (8-6) Blanton
Attaboy, Ethen.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Wagner tied 1-1 in the 3rd
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Wagner loses 4-2
So he’s in the 7th place match too.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
And they're driving.
1st and 10 at the ISU 15.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Gambrall appears to have transformed into Ryan Morningstar
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
0-0 first.
Chooses down to start the second.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
0-0 after 1st
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
3-0 Mitchell
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
GG down 3-1 after 2nd
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
3-2 after an ESC
GG needs a takedown
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
The KCJJ announcer points out GG has gone 2+ matches w/o a takedown.
gulp.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
197: Mitchell DEC (3-2) Gambrall
Gambrall’s down in the 7th place match, too.
This round of consos is not going so great.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
7-6
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
they should have Gambrall wrestle Telford as practice
it may help him figure out how to get TDs on big guys, and i dont think there are many 197 guys better than Telford
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 3:11 PM CST reply actions
oops
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
starting to regret that ISU pick now.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Brands went to go sit w/ the Iowa fans in the crowd.
Awesome.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
He is one of the coolest guys I have ever met.
He is a mix of overbearing intensity but still a stand up guy/super nice guy. Its a combination I have never seen so perfect before.
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
He inspires loyalty from his fans
He’s like Hayden in that way.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 30, 2011 3:23 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
He opened the door for us at Pagliai's once..
And he did it with such intensity.
But a very nice, polite (and very short) person.
by coltranemonk on Dec 30, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
That is the great thing about Midlands
As a fan, you really are in and amongst the wrestlers.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Fumble under review, ball clearly out before Burnett hit the ground.
Rutgers about to take an 8 point lead.
Maybe not.
Rutgers QB is pretty terrible.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
He just threw the ball thru the uprights.
I think he thought it would count for 3 points.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
0-0 btw Telford and McMullan
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Telford 1-0 with a warning on top
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
another warning for not returning him to the match??
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
2-1 McMullan scored a reversal
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
And then he gave up a reversal.
Now down 2-1.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
Escape. 2-2.
Telford had 44 seconds of RT before the reversal.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
That warning for not returning came real quick
Overtime..
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
I owe Catnuts a sorta apology.
I was in FF today and there is a Something or Other Vedic Temple on Old Hwy 34 in town. Only thing is, I don’t believe it is affiliated w/ the university so it does not count against my original statement, hence the sorta. I highly doubt this Vedic Temple is much more than a temple in name alone.
So Catnuts, if you read this I still say you are wrong but I was sorta wrong myself and I admit when I’m wrong, even if it is a sorta.
I just got busted
for reading this entire thread after it happened. And thanks for the sorta apology. Sounds like a fair way to put it.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Dec 30, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Tied at 2-2, :30 left
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
headed to OT
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Telford WINSSSSSSS
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 3:24 PM CST reply actions
Yes!
Telford wins in OT!
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
HWT: Telford DEC (4-2 OT) McMullan
So Iowa goes 5/5 in the semis. Nice work, guys.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
5 for 5 in semis?
hellz yeah
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 3:25 PM CST reply actions
I believe Clark is the only Iowa guy in the consos wrestling for better than 7th
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Kelly too
he got a Med Forefit win
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 30, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
If he wins this match, he should be in the 3rd place match
Lose and he’ll be in the 5th place match
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Do we have team title locked up?
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 3:26 PM CST reply actions
Did anyone have BP wins in semis tho?
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Depends how many Oklahoma and jNW have.
But I would guess we’re in good shape.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
2 snaps. 2 QB runs.
Jantz has something like 35 rushing yards already.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Did the other guy get hurt?
Or did Rhoads just decide he needed to add some STEELE to his offense?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I think they pulled him after he started to struggle.
Jantz threw his first pass right at a Rutgers LB and Iowa State is lucky not to be down 17-6.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Craig Bellamy and Steven Gerrard scoring goals?
What is this, the early 00s?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Gerrard's return couldn't have come at a better time.
Suarez still has to sit 9 games, unless he wins his appeal.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Wow Delgado pins Patterson...
McD needs his blood. Big Ten so far awayyyy.
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 3:30 PM CST reply actions
Yeah 40 some points ahead we have to have the team title in the bag
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 3:30 PM CST reply actions
Really? I missed that.
Rutgers is now running thru ISU.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
full back run and he just juked the pants off a couple cyclone guys in open field
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
big boy got moves
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Per Hamilton
Through the semis:
1. Iowa 137.5
2. Northwestern 88.5
3. Oklahoma 84
What was the score of the Clark Olive match last year?
"Florida! You don't go to Florida in the winter, you go in the summer!" -Tom Brands
by David Starbuck Petersen on Dec 30, 2011 3:39 PM CST reply actions
Oliver DEC (11-4) Clark
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Touchdown Rutgers.
20 yard run right up the middle. ISU safety juked out of his shoes at the goal line.
Dan Shechtman (Hebrew: דן שכטמן)
(born January 24, 1941 in Tel Aviv)1 is the Philip Tobias Professor of Materials Science at the Technion – Israel Institute of Technology, an Associate of the US Department of Energy’s Ames Laboratory, and Professor of Materials Science at Iowa State University.
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
I actually told my dad I was watching the ISU game to get out of having to watch more CNBC.
See what you have forced me to do, Paul Rhodes? You dirty, filthy whore. It’s probably not his fault but it makes me feel better to blame him.
ISU fumble at midfield. Rutgers recovers.
Review will show that ISU player was down. That was close for the Cyclones. Lose that one and Rutgers has a shot to put the game away.
Kelly loses 13-1
ouch
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Big break btw Iowa wrestlers now.
They’re going to finish the conso semis and then do the 7th place matches.
Lots of Iowa guys in those, unfortunately.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Is that the 2nd one they've missed?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah.
They’ve also had just one third down conversion.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Well, you don't just move the ball all over a Big East defense.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
The breakdown of what's left
McD, Ramos, Marion, Lofthouse, and Telford wrestling for 1st place.
Clark wrestling for 3rd place.
Kelly wrestling for 5th place.
N Moore, Evans, Wagner, and Gambrall wrestling for 7th place.
I believe that’s correct.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
N Moore up 8-4 after 2nd
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
157: N Moore DEC (9-5) Kolodzik
Moore finishes in 7th place
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I must have missed a few 7th place matches.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I don't know what happened in the Evans and Gambrall matches.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Wagner up 4-0
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Ah, good ol' forfeit.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Although I imagine Evans would have preferred to wrestle a match to try to erase the taste of that last loss.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Wagner wins 6-2
He also wins 7th place
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Gambrall tied 1-1, headed to OT
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Huzzah!
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Gambrall gets a TD late in OT to get the win.
His first TD in a while.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Gambrall wins 3-1
Iowa finishes with four 7th place finishers.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Hooray for talking to myself.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I also am here watching the ISU and following you for updates, as Hamilton is on a brake.
by StewMonkey13 on Dec 30, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Iowa's done wrestling until tonight.
I believe they’ll be doing the 1st/3rd/5th place matches all at the same time.
Starts at 7:20pm.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I'm at work
I peek in when I can.
4 more hours till Jagermeister!
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 30, 2011 4:33 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
"4 more hours till Jagermeister!"
This is not a good thing, in my book.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
The hours, the Jager, or both?
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 30, 2011 4:38 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Jager is the only liquor I refuse.
It’s the only one proven time and again to make me sick. With so many good liquors to choose from that don’t make me projectile vomit, I’ll pass. Plus it tastes like liquorice.
by StewMonkey13 on Dec 30, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Who would have ever thought deer blood tasted like liquorice?
by Carfino'sWay on Dec 30, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
No blood
Just a nice little blend of ingredients.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 30, 2011 4:48 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Iowa State has yet to get to the red zone.
What a terrible day for offense.
by The Mexican't on Dec 30, 2011 4:55 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Watching Steele Jantz is painful
He is horrendous. Awful. Hor-awful. He had a man wide open in the flat with a blocker in front of the receiver and Jantz sailed the pass out of bounds into the ISU sideline. He lacks talent. Iowa losing to that guy is a goddamn joke.
Rhoads is also going bananas on the sideline. He’s SO PROUD to be their coach.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
did this just happen or was I hearing things?:
Fowler:“how do you feel about 2nd and 24?”
Jesse Palmer:“2nd and California? no problem.”
if so it's the second time he's used that California line.
He did it in the first half too.
by Carfino'sWay on Dec 30, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Be nice!
Isn’t he Canadian? Cali may be the only state he knows. If I did color for CFL games, I drop lots of Manitoba jokes.
Das Stochern gewinnt.
by Blackheartnopants on Dec 30, 2011 5:19 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Please use this thread for the finals
I am not near a computer. Posting this from my Phone.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
How are we sitting?
"West Texas seems to be full of fake boobs providing a comfortable shade for well-developed pot bellies" - Lycurgus (06/24/2011)
And Ramos and MM get beat.
6-4 in OT for Ramos and 5-3 for MM
any updates
Cant listen and cant watch so im stuck in limbo not knowing how we are doin
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
Black Heart, Gold Pants, Cant Lose!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Dec 30, 2011 8:56 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I watched these finals in some "sports bar" (more like pick up bar) on UFC night
I contended with a bunch of Texans decked out in Tapout and Affliction gear. McD looked pretty good (can’t give up that early takedown).
I was happy with Ramos. That Carter kid was a pure counter guy and the refs kind of let him sit back and be defensive in the third period. Tony lost by being aggressive and you can’t fault that.
Montell just didn’t turn it on early enough; Maple is tough as hell, but Montel can and should beat him.
EL just got beat. Not much to say there. I think Ethan is better than what he showed, but Munster is good.
Telford wrestled well, I thought. Trice is a douche and I think the ref let him hang on Bobby a little too much once they stood up. Locked hands is a shit way to lose. That match was chippy as hell, but after Trice’s post match strut I am sure that Bobby will be waiting in the tall grass for that guy.
I watched Patacsil’s finals match and came away impressed with Kelly. They guy is nails on top. My brother said that Kelly was about to pick down in that match and Zaddick came running around the mat screaming at him not to.
Also, I wanted to say that I think that Barry Davis looks eerily like a Russian Chess Grandmaster.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Trice is a fucking punk.
I guess I won’t get to root against him this year at NCAAs (he’s redshirting, hence that phenomenally weird singlet), but I’ll be happy to do so next year.
Los Hermanos Brands have definitely matured in their old age, though. The old Brands boys would have clocked Trice after the shit he pulled post-match.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Did you see that they even shook his hand after the match
Telford was pissed.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
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