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The Short List: Ron Aiken

At most schools, an open coordinator position wouldn't be cause for serious contemplation. Coordinators come and go, in most circumstances. Iowa football isn't most schools, though; the program hasn't hired a new coordinator in thirteen years, and a full-on head coaching search looks to be years away. Defensive Coordinator LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.

Throughout this series, we have emphasized that, in a Kirk Ferentz coaching search, Kirk Ferentz ties trump all other factors. If Iowa doesn't stay in-house with Phil Parker or Darrell Wilson, then, the natural instinct would be to go outside for someone with Ferentz ties, and nobody outside the program has more ties to Kirk Ferentz than Ron Aiken.

Aiken_mediumAiken spent the first decade of his career coaching in the high school and small college ranks, eventually rising to become head coach at Langston (OK) University. He left Langston in 1999 to become linebackers/defensive ends coach at New Mexico under Mike Sheppard (not successful) and Dennis Franchione (pretty damn successful). He then left to join Norm Parker's staff at Vanderbilt as defensive line coach for two seasons, coached defensive tackles during John Mackovic's final season at Texas, and spent a year coaching linebackers at San Diego State before becoming an original member of Kirk Ferentz's staff in 1999 for a second stint as Norm Parker's defensive line coach.

Aiken's effect was immediate. By 2001, Iowa's defensive line was one of the most dominant units in the conference, featuring Aaron Kampman, Colin Cole, Howard Hodges, and Jared Clauss; all four won all-Big Ten accolades over the next two seasons, with Cole going all-American in 2002. When that line graduated, Aiken rebuilt with Matt Roth, Jonathan Babineaux, Tyler Luebke, and Derrick Robinson; Roth and Babineaux were all-conference selections and first-day draft picks. Another round of graduation brought Kenny Iwebema and Bryan Mattison at the ends, King and Kroul in the middle. Aiken himself was also picking up awards, including the American Football Coaches Association Assistant Coach of the Year award in 2002. In 2007, the NFL came calling and Aiken was waiting for it. He's served as defensive line coach for the Arizona Cardinals since then, with generally positive reviews.

Ron Aiken has two things in his favor, only one of which we have discussed with other candidates. He obviously has connections to both Ferentz and the program; Aiken left under positive circumstances, for an obvious promotion. He has continued to informally stump for Iowa while with the Cardinals. He's drafted and coached Iowa guys. There are positive vibes there, to be sure. Almost as important to his candidacy is his professional experience. Ferentz has always revered the systems and structures of the NFL. He's run his program like a professional franchise (right down to information control). Prior to this offseason, he had sent more former assistants to the pros than he has to other schools, an almost unherard-of statistic (six assistants left the program from 1999 to 2010; three went to the NFL, two went to other NCAA programs, and one retired). When other coaching staffs visit similar programs over the offseason to study their methods, Ferentz focuses on Belichick's New England methodology with borderline-religious zeal. To have gone to the NFL and succeeded as Aiken has is a major plus; when coupled with his connections to Ferentz (and, to a lesser extent, Iowa), they might even trump Phil Parker's loyalty and make Aiken a top candidate. Remember, too, that Iowa administrative assistant LeVar Woods will graduate onto the staff next year -- increasingly likely as defensive line coach, Aiken's former spot -- and Woods played at Iowa during Aiken's first tenure. Installing Aiken could provide an old hand to guide Woods in his new position and ensure that the Hawkeyes' success in recruiting and coaching defensive linemen continues despite the loss of Rick Kaczynski.

The negatives are a little more difficult to identify. Aiken was Iowa's top recruiter in Texas during his time at the school. On its face, this could be another positive; Iowa has not had a consistent presence in the Lone Star State since his departure, and a pipeline to Texas can make a rebuild go exponentially quicker. With that said, Aiken's returns from Texas were never particularly stellar. In his last four seasons at Iowa (going back to 2003, as far back as the Rivals assistant-by-assistant recruiting information goes), Aiken landed exactly one contributor: Kenny Iwebema. If recruiting acumen was an important factor for Ferentz in finding a defensive coordinator, though, Norm Parker would have probably retired five years ago. This is to say nothing for the fact that Aiken could reopen doors in Texas and open new ones in the southwest, both areas where Iowa has begun making inroads in recent years.

The question, then, is whether Aiken would leave Arizona for the job. The Cardinals don't publish assistant coach salaries, as far as I can tell, but Aiken obviously makes more than the $188,000 per year he was banking when he left Iowa. He also almost certainly more than the $332,000 Ken O'Keefe is scheduled to make next season as offensive coordinator. If Iowa's going to pony up the money to bring in an outside assistant as defensive coordinator, it's easy to see Aiken as that guy. If that money's not in the budget, though, they're not going to be able to afford Aiken without the candidate taking a pay cut. As much as Aiken might want the promotion in a program he knows and likes, it's difficult to see a circumstance where that's possible.

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Per the power of the internets, NFL assistants make anywhere from

200-500k. I’d assume that OCs/DCs are making the big dollars and position coaches make the low end. So maybe a competitive salary isn’t out of the question for Aiken.

Also:

…$332,000 Ken O’Keefe is scheduled to make next season as offensive coordinator.

Sigh.

by mikjones24 on Dec 27, 2011 10:12 AM CST reply actions  

Great.

Give him 650,000-750,000+.


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by Bucketochicken on Dec 27, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

YES PLEASE.

Above all others, yes please. Throw as much money towards him as needed (within reason, obvs). This has to be the #1 guy on the list.


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by Bucketochicken on Dec 27, 2011 10:12 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I love the idea too.

Unfortunately it may be a pipe dream.

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 27, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sold, bring him in please.

And I’m sure this has been covered already, but forgive me. If Aiken were to get the job, what is the likelihood Wilson or Aiken leave? Doesn’t seem like there have been rumblings of them getting looks for other DC positions in the past.

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by Ill Jukes on Dec 27, 2011 10:30 AM CST reply actions  

Let's just get this out of the way

10: $$$ is not an issue, Iowa has almost as much as God!
20: Does not.
30: Does too.
40: GOTO 20

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by Flakbait on Dec 27, 2011 10:47 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

How do we play Lemonade on this thing?

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by SomeJerkPoster on Dec 27, 2011 12:03 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Do we have any idea about what is defensive philosophy would be?

I’m guessing there aren’t many quotes out there of his that start, “If I was running things around here…” at Iowa or Arizona. What does AZ run? Does that matter? Do I care? Does anybody care? What is this world coming to?!?!?!

meh

by tyger1147 on Dec 27, 2011 10:51 AM CST reply actions  

that ends his candidacy right there

far to radical for Iowa

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by The Bacon Explosion on Dec 27, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

That's correct

Arizona’s running a 3-4 this year, with a former Pittsburgh Steelers assistant as the new DC; the former coordinator, Bill Davis, also was primarily a 3-4 coach. I don’t think that means Aiken would be running the same thing, though. And even if it did, um, Pittsburgh Steelers.

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by Patrick Vint on Dec 27, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Does anyone know how many Big Ten teams run a 3-4?

I don’t remember seeing it often.

I would hope Aiken would lean toward a 4-3, and maybe occasionally modify it, or give other looks, depending on his personnel.

But it seems to me that Iowa has had quite a bit of success with the 4-3 defense, so why change (unless college football really undergoes a massive revolution that would require that change)?

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

RichRod ran a 3-3-5

and we see where that got him.

I don’t think there is a Big Ten team that runs a 3-4 as its primary alignment right now. Going to that defense would require a relatively significant personnel shift (gone would be the days of two undersized defensive tackles, though it could mean significantly more PT for Carl Davis and his ilk). You can beef up a 3-4 to make it essentially a 5-man front with speed on the ends if you really want to get crazy against the outside run.

With that said, I don’t think it would be a huge philosophical shift for Iowa. Even in a 4-3, the basic philosophy seems to be use your tackles to suck up blocks and clog running lanes, keep the ends (and, to a lesser extent, strongside linebacker) at home to prevent the outside run, and let the middle/weakside linebackers clean up. That’s basically the same as the 3-4, only with a linebacker replacing the weakside defensive end.

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by Patrick Vint on Dec 27, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

RichRod's issue was less that he ran a 3-3-5

And more that he ran a 3-3-5 coached by Greg Davis, who was terrible and had no experience with the defense

People act like the 3-3-5 is the equivalent on playing a nickle defense on every single play, but it’s really just a 3-4 with one slightly undersized linebacker. West Virginia has had a bunch of good defenses using it.

by NorseHawk on Dec 27, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Tom Donatel fits that undersized-LB bill, doesn't he?

Maybe we have the workings of a 3-3-5 already! (kidding)

But I would say that a part of Roch Rod’s problem was that his schemes were very successful Big East schemes, but less likely to be successful Big Ten schemes. We’re just a more physical league. I can’t recall any team successfully running a 3-4 defense in the Big Ten, though it would still be worth trying, if you had the personnel (’Bama seems to do well with it, in a tough league, as you note).

And as the list below shows, the teams going to 3-4 defenses tend to be in the less physical conferences, or independents, except for ’Bama and UGA.

by The Director on Dec 27, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

right. which is weird.

the patriots* and the steelers are both known for their physicality.

*aren’t they morehybrid this year.

meh

by tyger1147 on Dec 27, 2011 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Not anymore

the whole 4-3 / 3-4 hybrid ended when Haynesworth was shipped to Tampa. People put too much empahsis on the name of the defense and less on the personnel running it. the key is finding a LB/ DE combination player. Derby, would be fun to watch and you could run four true linemen on 1st down still. Hell, I would love to see Rodney Coe suit up and play on the opposite side of Derby and let QB’s figure out who is coming. Mix em both up with Morris in variou combo’s and this thing could be fun

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by Nature Boy on Dec 29, 2011 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

West Virginia has had a bunch of good defenses using it...

In the Big East

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by Brock8144 on Dec 27, 2011 7:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The coordinator was Greg Robinson

And it is essentially playing the nickel. There’s a reason prototypical OLBs in a 3-4 are approximately the size of DEs – they have to take on blockers. “Undersized LBs” don’t tend to do that very well.

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by Brock8144 on Dec 27, 2011 7:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

ESPN article from last year

here. It’s not very prevalent, but there are some notable examples.

But heading into the 2010 season, more than a dozen teams will use the 3-4 as their base defense, and a few more teams plan to sprinkle odd-man fronts into their game plans. Georgia, Georgia Tech, Houston, Notre Dame, Stanford, Texas A&M and Texas Tech are switching their base defense to a 3-4 this season, and Alabama, Air Force, Army, Navy, BYU, California and SMU will continue to have three down linemen and four linebackers on the field in 2010.

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by therealCatnuts on Dec 27, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Hayden ran a 5-2

Which is basically the same thing as a 3-4.

by i_love_iowa on Dec 27, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Passing teams WOULD LOVE for us to switch to the 5-2.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Dec 28, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Seems to me

that Iowa has made a lot of hay with undersized DLs.

Something tells me that we might not do so well if we went to a 3-4, where you need some very big and quite quick guys on the DL to make it work well. Also, doesn’t it help to have depth on the DL for a 3-4? Sometimes we’ve had that depth, sometimes (like next year), we haven’t/won’t.

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by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

That was my understanding as well

3:4 seems better suited to the SEC where they might have many more large guys on the team. Bama sure does.

by GuttedSnowBird on Dec 27, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

You need that mammoth nose tackle taking on OL, holding his ground, and getting nearly no glory, right? Yikes – I come up with no recent candidates.

by txhawkeye on Dec 27, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Mitch King.

Albeit, he never fully bulked up until NFL teams made him eat “all teh buffets”.

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by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

He wanted to get "Mother's Boy" tattooed on his arms.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Dec 28, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Carl Davis.

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by One_ill_KevinJ on Dec 27, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

People say this, but when I actually watch him play I don't see it

He gets shoved around a lot because he gets too high. He has the size to eat up blockers but he’d be a disaster in that role unless he improves his technique a lot.

by NorseHawk on Dec 27, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you on technique

His first impulse at the snap is to stand up. But technique can improve. I’m not sure how many guys can weight in at 310+ and look athletic.

Jaleel Johnson is a huge person with tons of athletic talent who appears to have absolutely no idea how to play football. He could be another candidate.

Obvious speculation. Sorry to drag you down this road.

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by One_ill_KevinJ on Dec 27, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder if we could get personnel to run the 3-4.

No doubt, Carl Davis is a 0 technique NT trying to fit into a 4-3 system. But 3-4’s require some massive LBs for the Sam and Jack (Stanford, I believe, plays with 235-250# backers). Given our traditionally undersized teams, I wonder if we could the requisite beef.

I think you’re absolutely right that the philosophical shift; It would sitll be a downhill, LB-driven defense that swallows up the run while playing a conservative zone behind it. IMO,I think a 3-4 would augment the philosophy because it would require teams to think while preparing to play us. Even if we remained relatively predictable/conservative, it would be different than B1G teams see during the season and may offer us a competitive advantage. Adding a little variance would go a long way.

I also think it would give us a serious leg up in defending the spread/Trips Formations.

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by One_ill_KevinJ on Dec 27, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus, I'm thinking more big NT types would give us better looks

if we could offer them lead role on the DL that is going up against OSU, Mich, Wisky, PSU, Nebby. Even if Iowa doesn’t have a great record, those games will get you noticed by NFL scouts/teams.

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 27, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, we've been having trouble getting our DLs noticed by the NFL.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Dec 28, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

And they've had recent success with oversized ends, too.

Ballard and Clayborn were both big for their positions (if we count Ballard as a DE, which I guess he wasn’t, but whatever, I’m making a point). Guys like Cooper and Ekakitie seem to have the size/athleticism combination to play the 5-tech the other 3-4 DE position. They can stay at the 270-290 range and be really effective. I don’t know what Johnson would do. He seems like someone that’s just going to be big, and thus would be better served beefing up and playing NT.

It would be really interesting to see how they would change with guys like Spears, Derby, Fisher, not to mention Kriksey, Hitchens, etc. Guys who are undersized for regular LEO duties but fast enough to play it but are clearly way too undersized to be a regular OLB in a 3-4.

I think they’d be fine with ILB and DE. I think a lot of the OLB’s would be just fine in the ILB position with some adjustment – the size and skills seem like they would anyway. OLB and DT would be interesting, but I don’t think it’s crazy.

Of course, they won’t run a 3-4 so this speculation is crazy, but still. It would be interesting with the trend in the NFL going to 3-4 (although it seems to be pulling back now, right?) and how that would help in the NFL development school aspect. Plus, Bellicek, until this year.

meh

by tyger1147 on Dec 27, 2011 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I know I'm late

But I thought I’d fix this for you:

RichRod ran lined up in a 3-3-5

by Grixxly on Dec 28, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I seem to recall us running something of a hybrid style 4-3/3-4.

It was basically 4-3 with a LB up on the line a lot, but he’d also line up with the backers (3-4) and go into coverage (I seem to remember Matt Roth doing this a lot, but there were others).

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 27, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Ohio State's is 3-4ish

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by Brock8144 on Dec 27, 2011 7:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Defensive Philosophy 101

Watch the ball.
Keep your guy in front of you.
Tackle.

I’m available, and I’ll do the job for 200K a year.

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Tack

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by chitownhawkeye on Dec 27, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Dammit

Tackle?
Judging by some of the games I’ve seen this year, B1G and everybody else, that one isn’t 3rd on the list. It may not even be on the list

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by chitownhawkeye on Dec 27, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Money is not going to bethe stumbling block

The Cardinals are easily the cheapest, stingiest franchise in the NFL and they may not have paid their coaches during the lockout, as they threatened that action whereas almost no one else did. It is likely he would receive a raise even with Iowa’s supposed limited resources. Also’iowa is likely a more secure job for him at this poiint too, although that is conjecture. He would be a great hire for many reasons but…

Kirk doesn’t make bold hires so return to your regularly scheduled teeth gnashing.

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by StoopsMyAss on Dec 27, 2011 11:24 AM CST reply actions  

Wait, don't we have at least two threads open now for teeth gnashing?

I swear to God, from all the pissing and moaning that’s been on here over the Christmas weekend, you’d think a plutonium reactor located next to Kinnick had melted down and poisoned the entire fucking area for 100,000 years so football CAN’T EVER BE GOOD AT IOWA AGAIN.

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Careful now

we don’t want him to go all Bellanca on us.

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by Flakbait on Dec 27, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm pretty much joking here.

I like Bird Cult. Sometimes, I very much disagree with him, but I’m sure a ton of people disagree with me, so that isn’t very telling.

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by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

You are giving him shit in two threads concurrently

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by Lycurgus on Dec 27, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I did include an "I like you, Bird Cult" disclaimer each time.

But, you’re right. I am sort of expecting the following to happen to me at some point.

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by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you the little person or the guitar?

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by Lycurgus on Dec 27, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm the little guy (is it Beetlejuice of Howard Stern fame?)

Bird Cult is Jarrett. Using one of his guitars to kill me.

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by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Love the gif

Although I wouldn’t break a guitar. That’s like sacrilege.

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

At least you will die with your cape on.

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by Lycurgus on Dec 27, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

And his boots. The dude looks like he has boots in the gif

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

If I hit you with a Telecaster you wouldn't get back up...

It wouldn’t shatter like that acoustic dreadnought… Telecaster (depending on model) is pretty a solid fucking plank of wood…

I have two of ‘em, a 2010 Standard MIM (Made in Mexico) Telecaster in Candy Apple Red and a 2011 (with the 60th anniversary badge on it – the Telecaster has been in continuous production as a model by Fender for 60 years!) that’s also a Standard MIM in brown sunburst…

Keith Richards actually wacked a guy with one during a concert in the 1980s…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv1bM0pp_o4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GODaPVTvYKs

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I know.

I realize how solid (and sometimes heavy) electric guitars can be.

Also, I think the ones that Jeff Jarrett (the pro wrestler in the gif above) used were specifically constructed for destruction on humans with minimum pain/damage.

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by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, just about any regular off the music store wall acoustic will die like this

I don’t know about Ovations (the one with graphite backs)… but X2 (2nd ex wife, yes, I’m a loser) and I got into an argument, centering on her laying around all day in a torn flannel nightgown and not cleaning the house for weeks on end (I know this sounds SO stereotypical) and she grabbed my Fender dreadnought in its cardboard case and smashed it on the floor of the bedroom. Just one hard throw and it was toast, dude.

That said… the Emperor of Guitar Smashing, and he does it with art…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVG9u_nxWBI

That Stratocaster takes a LOT of abuse before it breaks. Pretty amazing…

An interesting page that lists equipment that Pete has trashed…

http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/gear/guitar/smashed.html

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Krist Novoselic smashed himself in the face with his bass (I believe it was a bass).

And he about crumpled. I can imagine it was the worst part of his day.

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-one of HFMR's many amazing tags

"It's Northwestern," he explained. "A smart school."
-TMart on jNW reading signals

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 27, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

This is why Telecasters are great.

You can whack people with them, and they rarely even go out of tune. Take that, Gibson!

by telepathetic on Dec 27, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice handle... you don't happen to be on The Gear Page, are you?

I’m on there as wholetone… great site for guitar players. :)

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope, but I lurk there form time to time

TGP is great. I thought I had a gear problem until I started reading some of the threads there.

by telepathetic on Dec 27, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I never saw the Joe Bonamassa picture

Until I started paying attention. His gear collection is way – WAY – out of hand compared to (my opinion of) his playing ability. He’s good, but he’s not the second coming of Clapton or Hendrix – I’ve heard guys in bars blues bands that are weekend warriors that are better. Throw of the dice…

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

You can find teens on You Tube that are better than Bonamassa

He’s just got better publicity.

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you have, BTW?

Here:

The 2 Teles
2010 BT Jazzmaster (modified with The Mastery Bridge)
2010 BT Jaguar

Just bought a Blues Junior III amp; I also have the Hot Rod Deluxe (yeah, I’m a fender guy) and a few years old 30 watt Vox modeling amp.

Pedals – all Digitech Hardwire stuff – I’ve got the Chorus, Delay, Distortion and the Jam Man II…

That’s it – compared to a lot of gearheads 4 electrics, 1 “big” amp, two “practice amps” and four pedals is not a lot of stuff.

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, man...

At the moment, a bunch of reissue Fender stuff. 3 Teles, a Strat, a Jazzmaster, a Jazz Bass; an Epi Casino and an SG; a black Rick 360, and a couple cheapo acoustics. I’ve got a little tweed Fender Champ clone and the biggie is a blonde Bassman. Which isn’t THAT much compared to some of the cats on TGP…

by telepathetic on Dec 27, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice.

I know, some of the “gear I’ve got at home” pictures are outrageous, but given that supposedly some pretty famous players lurk there, you wonder who is showing us their private collections while keeping their names anonymous…

All sorts of interesting collectors out there too, such as (I think) Kiefer Sutherland…

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I replied to him in the other thread... thanks for pointing that out

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I know

I just really wanted to make the reference.

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by Flakbait on Dec 27, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Though I rarely interacted with him

I miss Bellanca

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by Lycurgus on Dec 27, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I miss Bellanca too.

His story about the team taking a train ride before (IIRC) the 09 season. It was the excellence.

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 27, 2011 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

This

I loved it. We can haz Bellanca back?

I can ride my bike with no handlebars...

by hkobb7 on Dec 27, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Recs weren't as common then, for whatever reason.

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by RossWB on Dec 28, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I know, I was lurking and remember reading that piece.

But a dozen recs and 20 comments for that? Smaller community back then, for sure.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Dec 28, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Pretty funny :)

Nah, I’m not going Bellanca. This is supposed to be fun, 99/100, when its not fun on an internet message board, its your own fault… take a breath, step away, don’t post stupid things you’ll regret later.

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

/Chazztized

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by Lycurgus on Dec 27, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

that be bad shit boys and girls

you dont want any of that action

Her noblesse exceeded her oblige

by OhioHawk on Dec 29, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, this is probably true this time.

$400k might get it done, especially because, yes, the Buzzsaw furloughed their coaches during the lockout when basically nobody else did. Not exactly the best way of engendering loyalty.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Patrick Vint on Dec 27, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I wonder if KF is actually doing proactive for the search

Such as making a few phone calls, using “text messages” or delivering mail via the Pony Express. If he’s telling the truth by saying that it will be handled following the bowl game and isn’t doing anything I think we can almost guarantee it will be PP. But if he’s making some proactive efforts it’s clear that he’s looking around. I’d prefer the latter. Nothing wrong with PP but if we can make a splash lets make a splash.

by mikjones24 on Dec 27, 2011 12:01 PM CST reply actions  

depends on if he wants and NFL guy or college guy

some NFL guys probably aren’t really ready to talk seriously yet since the season isn’t over.

by rupertj on Dec 27, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Ferentz is the new Belichick of press conferences.

I don’t believe a single thing he says anymore, since if I did I would be living in an absurd, surreal world without logic or facts.

He has his reasons for being that way, but the result is that his press conferences are useless and no one cares about them anymore, if that person wants truthfulness or openness.

Which may have been his intent all along.

by The Director on Dec 27, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Tom Brands is much more fun to listen to

That guy lets a lot of stuff just hang out there

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Dec 27, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Like his jaw, and his chest.

And popped buttons.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Like that stuff, yes

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Dec 27, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

It’s a farce. His non-answers, evasiveness and condescension are part of his attempt at making it as info-less and pointless as possible. It’s all about control. Control of everything from top to bottom. That’s why no freshman are allowed to speak to the media, and the players who are allowed to speak are all pretty obviously under strict orders to parrot the same basic lines over and over without really saying anything. It’s also why no assistant coaches speak with the media during the regular season. It’s framed as being a way for KF to protect his staff, so that as the head coach he’s the one who must ultimately answer for everything (which he would anyway, really), but really, it’s all part of the message control. Anyway, other than strictly factual things – who this week’s captains are, who’s injured, etc – everything said during a presser or On The Side is absurd crap.


And I bet he’s been wanting to use the Fart Joke since 2006, but has kept clenched up this hole time until finally he just couldn’t hold it anymore and finally just let it slip out.

Sorry.


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by Bucketochicken on Dec 27, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh.

I would guess that the assistant coaches probably enjoy not having to be in the media cross-hairs very often.

and the players who are allowed to speak are all pretty obviously under strict orders to parrot the same basic lines over and over without really saying anything.

I think that experienced players are allowed to speak from the heart to the media. I think most are intelligent enough to do so in a way that makes them not begin a media shit-storm (Stanzi, and who was it that said he hated ISU a few years back?), as Iowa Football is our state’s biggest sports team.

And, in college football, even the slightest comment can be used as bulletin board material by the other team. So why let it out?

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

i sure do miss matt roth interviews

That guy was hilarious, and he would say absolutely anything that popped into his mind

by eff bielema on Dec 27, 2011 7:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Intentional, or no?
And I bet he’s been wanting to use the Fart Joke since 2006, but has kept clenched up this hole time until finally he just couldn’t hold it anymore and finally just let it slip out.

by Jon Berg on Dec 27, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

It's BucketO.

That was surely intentional.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

We know he's fucking with us

There’s a picture somewhere of him wearing a Santa hat to Insight bowl practice a few days ago… now tell me he’s not been fucking with us…

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure if I'd like anything more

than KF and company downplaying and suspending players to the point that the Hawks go into the game as, like, 40-point underdogs, and then we beat those Sooners.

I’d love that.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

That's all good

But I still think wearing that Santa hat proves Kirk does have a sense of humor, somewhere…

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Have you not read the crank-call transcripts?

Seriously though, KF does have at least a slight sense of humor. I remember watching the TV show with him and Dolphin. I think it was two weeks after the Minnesota game, when Minny had played MSU pretty tough.

Dolphin mentioned that game (Minny-MSU), and KF said “Really? Was that a Big Ten game?” In a ‘Big Ten games are difficult’ way. I laughed.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah... and there was that whole interaction with the Nebby reporter

Who was getting the autograph “For my GF” – I mean, watching Kirk talk to the guy, he was busting his chops big-time and obviously thought the signature was for that guy, who doesn’t look like he’s been anywhere near a girl in a decade or two.

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Thanks for reminding me. I’m gonna search for that on Yahoo.

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by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Or Youtube.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Or you can search for the thread it was in here...

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by The Bird Cult on Dec 27, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

gives me stuff to read at work, which is rather boring now that the holiday retail season is over

impossible is nothing

by RGates on Dec 27, 2011 1:47 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

If we are going to keep the same system (meaning all things being equal, more or less)

then I hope whoever it is can recruit the shit out of kids. We will forever lanquish as an upper-midlevel school in the Big Ten pecking order with the recruits we get. Yes, we will taste the stratoshere now and then but not as often as we would all like.

Once they get here, the kids are being coached technique as good as anywhere else they could go. But, imagine the if we had a talent pool approaching that of fOSU. We’d be knocking heads week after week.

Without knowing a thing about how well the candidates recruit I am leaning towards Aiken. I say this assuming that the more ties to the NFL the more attractive a program may seem to a prospect.

It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.

by FiveSecondRuleChef on Dec 27, 2011 12:28 PM CST reply actions  

The longer this goes,

the more I think it is Ron Aiken. It just makes too much sense. If it were Parker/Wilson, I think they would have announced it already, if for no other reason than to have the “student learning from the master one last time” before taking over stories. Plus, Aiken’s background as a D-line coach makes the Kaz departure all the more explainable; it’s one thing to be passed over for the DC job if it is someone who has more seniority than you on staff, it’s another entirely to be passed over for someone who is being brought in from the outside AND has a specialty/experience in your specific position responsibility. Also waiting until “after New Year’s” allows the NFL regular season to be finished, thus it doesn’t look like Iowa is tampering with Arizona’s staff before the season is finished. Finally, there are all the reasons PV mentions above.

In short, it makes perfect sense and would be a rather inspired, ambitious choice. Which means it will never happen.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Dec 27, 2011 3:30 PM CST reply actions  

Well

there’s that, too. At this point, it really is just a way of talking about Iowa football in a relative dearth of other information.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Dec 27, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Stop getting my hopes up.

I wouldn’t mind Phil getting the job. I think Wilson might be OK, but am not very sure. Every other candidate would mean that Iowa is a place where people would want to go there. And that makes me really hopeful and happy. And primed for disappointment.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Kinda nice that our bowl game is in Arizona.

Wonder if there have been meetings?

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 27, 2011 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree it makes the most sense

but I don’t want to begin to hope only to be disappointed when its PP (who I would not normally be disappointed in).

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by ClaybornSmash on Dec 28, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Have we looked at Clay Aiken?

It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.

by FiveSecondRuleChef on Dec 27, 2011 3:34 PM CST reply actions  

Too flashy.

Although, i think he does share Norm’s enjoyment of eating entire cans of frosting.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think

that’s frosting that Clay Aiken is eating

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by Scrotie McBoogerballs on Dec 27, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

My Booooo reply was supposed to go here

Not way down there.

It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.

by FiveSecondRuleChef on Dec 27, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

In off topic news

Purdue is punting from its opponents 38 yard line. Punting is winning, B1G style.

by txhawkeye on Dec 27, 2011 3:44 PM CST reply actions  

OMG!!!!

Ferentz is coaching Purdue!!!!!

#KF4OMHR

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Dec 27, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Boooooo! That was too easy.

It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.

by FiveSecondRuleChef on Dec 27, 2011 3:44 PM CST reply actions  

Does Aiken have HC aspirations?

This would be a good move for him if he did. He’d get more notoriety, showcase his recruiting skills more prominently, and if he coached the D up to what he was during his first tenture here he’d be an attractive candidate. I don’t know much about the guy, and wasn’t sure if anyone else did.

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by One_ill_KevinJ on Dec 27, 2011 5:31 PM CST reply actions  

He's 56.

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by RossWB on Dec 27, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Did he not recruit Tate?

I only ask b/c you said the only contributor he got was Iwebema, though Tate would have been there too. While that may seem like a trivial detail, it DOUBLES his success rate.

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by Brock8144 on Dec 27, 2011 7:56 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Nope, that was Carl Jackson

We had two guys recruiting Texas back then, and I seem to recall Jackson was generally the better of the two in that regard.

by NorseHawk on Dec 27, 2011 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, to really say either of them "got" Tate is a bit of a stretch

he was firmly A&M bound until Slocum got fired (rather late in the process as I recall). Since Iowa had been close in the running for Chris Leak, we were suddenly without a QB recruit, and hey!, Tate was without a team

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Dec 27, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Also,

wasn’t Tate’s step-dad from here in Iowa (though, I’m not sure he went to U of I).

I would guess that helped a bit, too.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I had never heard that

learn something new every day

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Dec 27, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Here is a high school newspaper article.

If it can be believed, then Tate’s step-dad (Dick Olin) played for UNI and grew up in CR.

http://my.hsj.org/Schools/Newspaper/tabid/100/view/frontpage/schoolid/1439/articleid/175912/newspaperid/1415/Dick_Olin_just_part_of_the_family_business.aspx

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Dec 27, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

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