The Short List: Tom Bradley, Larry Johnson, and Rob Vanderlinden
At most schools, an open coordinator position wouldn't be cause for serious contemplation. Coordinators come and go, in most circumstances. Iowa football isn't most schools, though; the program hasn't hired a new coordinator in thirteen years, and a full-on head coaching search looks to be years away. Defensive Coordinator LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.
There's always been a connection between Kirk Ferentz and Penn State. Ferentz grew up in western Pennsylvania, and years ago said he had dreamed of playing for the Nittany Lions as a kid ("I was the only football player in western Pennsylvania to not get an offer from Joe Paterno" he once joked). Ferentz also started his college coaching career with Jackie Sherrill at Pitt, at the height of both Sherrill's and Paterno's power (and before PSU had banned Pitt from the schedule). Ferentz has always denied it, but Penn State has been circled in red ink on the Iowa schedule since he arrived.
It's presumed that Penn State will be cleaning house following the Sandusky scandal and Paterno termination (though that presumption appears to be under some serious scrutiny now) and the entire defensive coaching staff, including defensive coordinator (and erstwhile coach-in-waiting) Tom Bradley, defensive line coach Larry Johnson Sr., and linebackers coach Rob Vanderlinden, would be part of that purge. As shown with the hiring of Erik Campbell following the retirement of Lloyd Carr at Michigan, Ferentz will gladly pick off the assistants from a dying regime he respects, and I doubt there is any coaching staff he reveres more than Paterno's. So the question is: Would Ferentz hire a former PSU assistant for his defensive coordinator spot?
The bio paragraph for each of the three coaches is similarly brief. Tom Bradley played for Penn State from 1975-1978, became a graduate assistant in 1979, and joined Paterno's staff full-time in 1980 as secondary coach. He's never left. When Sandusky retired in 2000, Bradley became defensive coordinator. When Paterno was injured in 2006, Bradley and Galen Hall acted as co-coaches. When Paterno was fired in November, Bradley became interim coach. Over the last fifteen years, he's been joined by Larry Johnson (who has been defensive line coach since 2000); linebackers coach Ron Vanderlinden has been at Penn State for the last eleven years after stints at Colorado and Northwestern (and an ill-fated stop as head coach of Maryland). All three have more than enough experience and success to be in contention for the defensive coordinator position; even in the current horrendous circumstances, Penn State has led the Big Ten in scoring defense and ranked fourth in total defense. It marks the ninth consecutive season that the Nittany Lion defense finished in the conference's top four in total defense.
The upside of any one of these three taking the Iowa defensive coordinator spot is obvious. Iowa would add an experienced coach to the staff, cut from the same cloth as Norm Parker and the rest of the current staff (conservative, assignment-based defensive philosophy, with little emphasis on such newfangled concepts as the blitz). The Hawkeyes would also be adding a proven recruiter in an area where they want to compete (and where Urban Meyer has everyone running scared); Bradley owns Pennsylvania, Vanderlinden recruits eastern PA, New Jersey, and Michigan, and Larry Johnson, a legendary Maryland high school coach before going to Penn State, is one of the best mid-Atlantic recruiters in the country. Finally, given their ridiculous amount of experience, each coach would provide institutional knowledge of the conference that most other outside hires do not possess.
The question marks and negatives aren't as obvious. Bradley is as steadfast in his dedication to cover 3 as Norm Parker is to cover 2, so a move for him (and, to a lesser extent, Vanderlinden and Johnson) would likely necessitate a fundamental scheme change. There's also the issue of whether any of the three would be interested. Larry Johnson turned down the Illinois defensive coordinator job in the past, has been rumored to be looking at retirement, and has far more ties to the east coast than the Midwest. Bradley hasn't left Pennsylvania in 36 years. All three are likely looking for a bigger paycheck than anyone on the current Iowa defensive staff, and there are rumors that the Iowa athletics budget is tightening after disappointing revenues from football and basketball in 2011. And, of course, should Bradley get the head coaching position at Penn State, this whole post is moot.
The questions over whether any member of the Penn State staff would accept the job are one thing. The questions over what happens if they do are quite another. Rightly or wrongly, any move for a Penn State assistant is going to draw questions over their involvement in the Jerry Sandusky scandal. It's going to raise Iowa's own issues with football scandal. And, since this is Iowa City, where pink urinals draw demonstrations, there will be protests. This is the sort of thing that doesn't bother Kirk Ferentz; this much we know. It is, however, also the kind of thing most athletic departments avoid like the plague, and it's certainly questionable whether Ferentz is willing to spend his department equity on an outside assistant where the in-house guys are ready to go. Erik Campbell makes this move plausible. Jerry Sandusky and Gary Barta prevent it from being any more than that.
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Soup is the best hire we've had in years
More so than coach Kaz. I am looking forward to the coaching changes and am confident KF will hit home runs.
His presser the other day established a time line of early 2012.
The Marine not coming because of Kaz leaving doesn’t bother me. Would have liked to have seen it, but had some reservations.
Google the Wall St Journal for yesterday’s article titled “Iowa : the Harvard of Coaching.” Iowa is #1 with 16 assistants going on to head coaching jobs. KF doesn’t need to just recruit players – he needs to recruit coaches too. He will.
by Vandy's Mom Digs Me on Dec 22, 2011 9:30 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
The thing to remember about that article is that almost all of those coaches were branches on the Hayden Fry coaching tree.
by The Mexican't on Dec 22, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
I love Hayden and think he deserves enormous credit for many of those guys
but Bill Snyder is almost a tree unto himself. Stoops (both) came of age working for him. Then there is Mangino (who made Kansas…yes, Kansas, a BCS Bowl participant) and Jim Leavitt as well as Bret Bielema and Urban Meyer (who used to vist Snyder to understand the spread offense because Snyder was using the spread Tebow became famous in since the day he arrived at KSU and Meyer basically took it lock, stock, and barrel).
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 22, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Sure.
This “Harvard of Coaching” bit is a nice plug, but it’s incredibly generous to the current staff.
by The Mexican't on Dec 22, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Hayden had an eye for talent but Snyder is
a really strong mentor. Stoops would tell you he is a disciple of Snyder much more than Fry. Hayden delegated and that allowed guys to grow, whereas Snyder is arguably the most famous taskmaster in the history of college football. He basically lived a decade sleeping in his office on 3 hours of sleep both in and out of season. Guys who worked for him were molded.
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by StoopsMyAss on Dec 22, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget the little packages of crackers for dinner
I wish we still had Snyder in Iowa City… the guy makes Engineer Montgomery Scott look terribly lame in comparison.
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by The Bird Cult on Dec 22, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
One question for Mr. Vint
Can you explain ‘disappointing revenues from football and basketball in 2011’? Basketball I get but football too?
by GaryDolphinSafeTuna on Dec 22, 2011 9:55 AM CST reply actions
There's a longer post coming, but yeah
Iowa’s football program turned $3.3M less in profit for the 2010-11 fiscal year than it did in 2009-10 (this would be the 2010 season over the 2009 season); only Ohio State had a larger drop. Iowa basketball turned $1.1M less in profits in FY2010-11 than it did in FY 2009-10, the worst decrease in the Big Ten by a long, long way (the next closest program was Michigan State, which lost roughly half that). And that’s in a world where Iowa basketball generates less revenue and turns less profit than every other basketball program in the conference other than Nebraska, which is basically fielding a club team.
Eight programs had year-over-year decreases in profit. Iowa had 2 of those 8. Four programs had year-over-year decreases in profit in excess of $1M. Iowa had two of those four. There are serious financial concerns with Iowa athletics right now, and we’re conducting at least two position coach searches during that period. Not the best timing ever.
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by Patrick Vint on Dec 22, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Here is a very interesting link to assistant (and head coach and total) salaries
i only had a moment to look at it but my quick, kneejerk impressions is Iowa seems to manage it’s football staff differently than every other team. There is, for example, no star salaried assistant, whereas practically every other Big Ten team pays a coordinator significantly more than the rest of the staff—regardless of tenure. Also, Iowa pays more for their bottom guys than just about everyone else. Kirk clearly pursues a very egalitarian pay scale, which is interesting. But Iowa pays a lot for staff, when you include Ferentz. According to this database only Michigan in the Big Ten pays more. The new staff at OSU may exceed everyone when all is said and done and who knows what will happen with Penn State’s staff.
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by StoopsMyAss on Dec 22, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Kirk builds assistant pay raises into his contract
I don’t know how common that is, but pay raises are directly tied to final record and ranking. It is an extremely egalitarian scale, yes (Phil made more than Norm, which is insane), but that can be tied in large part to Ken and Norm starting at a relatively low salary and accepting those built-in raises along with everyone else.
I think that might have to change this year, btw, unless it’s Phil getting the job.
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by Patrick Vint on Dec 22, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
How/why did Phil make more than Norm?
Norm seems like a guy who would not need an agent to negotiate, and who would not demand a raise.
I thought Phil was similar. Why would he be making more?
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by WaterlooChazz on Dec 23, 2011 9:00 AM CST up reply actions
And, after reading farther down,
I see that it might be because Norm wasn’t out recruiting.
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by WaterlooChazz on Dec 23, 2011 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
This is way overstating the situation.
Iowa had one of the most profitable athletic departments in the country for the last several years. They can take a minor hit and survive. It’s not like football is falling off of a cliff. They have still sold out every home game for last several season, and revenue from the B1G via TV and bowl games is steady or increasing. The basketball program, obviously, is an issue, but is just small drop in the bucket when compared to football.
Also, Iowa is stlll paying their football coaches OVERALL (when including Ferentz’s ridiculously huge salary) just as well or better than every other school in the league. If you think small, short-term dip in revenue in the grand scheme of the millions upon millions that the UI generates in football in both the near and short-term is going to prevent them from spending a few thousand bucks either way when trying to find some assistant coaches, then, well…yeah, I’ll just stop there.
by i_love_iowa on Dec 22, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Also, the decrease from 2009-10 should be expected and can largely be accounted for
by the fact that we didn’t go to a BCS bowl game last year, so those revenues are going to pretty close to normal for last year and would have been artificially high in 2009
by i_love_iowa on Dec 22, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, no
First, the BCS has nothing to do with it. All Big Ten bowl revenues are distributed equally. As long as there are two teams from the conference in the BCS, there’s going to be the same bowl revenue.
Second, we USED TO compensate our coaches as well as anyone. Not anymore. Greg Mattison at Michigan and URBZ at OSU are changing that dynamic quickly. Kirk gets paid well. Everyone else is getting a thoroughly mediocre salaries.
Third, you can spin the numbers any way you wish. The fact is Iowa is the six-most profitable program in the conference, it just experienced a 12% decrease in profits (on a 3% decrease in revenue coupled with an 11% INCREASE in expenses), its main competitors (Wisconsin, PSU, Nebraska) all had >$2.5M increase in profits over that same period, and Iowa has to fund 24 athletic programs with that money (more than Wisconsin or Nebraska) and is chained to the corpse of Iowa basketball for the moment. If a corporation announced it had an 11% decrease in profits over a period where its competitors improved by 5% to 18% and had a formerly-profitable subsidiary breaking even, losing market share, and trailing its competitors similar subsidiaries, you’d set your shares of that company on fire.
Anyway, bigger post coming, but there’s enough smoke around “everyone’s getting a pay cut” that there could be some fire.
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by Patrick Vint on Dec 22, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
You are either being deliberately obtuse or don't really know what you're talking about.
Yes, bowl revenue is split, but only AFTER expenses have been determined. The difference in expenses allotted from the B1G for a BCS game versus the Insight is about 1 million. So that is one area where Iowa clearly loses $1M directly from not playing in a BCS game.
Also, total number of B1G bowl teams will have an effect. More net revenue into the pool = more to divvy up at the end of the day.
As noted by myself and others, Iowa is still in THE TOP 3 in the conference in total coach compensation. Think about that. Only OSU and Mich, two of the most tradition rich football factories in the sport, pay more than Iowa does in this league. That is impressive.
by i_love_iowa on Dec 22, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Not really
I can’t remember the exact numbers, so cut me a little slack here.
Iowa was given about $1.5 mil to spend on the Orange Bowl, they spent most of that, like $1.45 or something. For the insight they were given about $350k, they spent about $340k. So the money they get from the conference as their allowance to cover bowl expenses is not profit, it actually gets used by the school to cover the cost of going to the bowl.
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You, sir, are incorrect
The exorbitant cost of the UI’s Orange Bowl party reached nearly $1.9 million, according to recently released documents. All in all, the reward for making one of college football’s most prestigious bowl games was $1.95 million. But after such a momentous accomplishment by the football team — reaching and winning the Orange Bowl — the university walked away with a measly $54,954. That number may seem hefty to us college students, but it’s a mere speck when compared with UI revenue. (The money will go to the athletics department.)
You want to make a case that the Orange Bowl, which netted a profit of $54k, is the cause for a $3.3M shortfall? Go right ahead.
As for the number of Big Ten teams in bowl games changing the amount of money coming in, you’re totally right. And the Big Ten sent 7 teams to bowls in 2009 and 8 in 2010. So, yeah, that’s a failure.
And, yes, we pay the one guy at the top a bunch and everyone else not so much. The guy at the top is staying, and I doubt he’s taking a pay cut to pay for the new people. So, again, what the hell are you talking about.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Dec 22, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
The bottom line on coaching salaries is that the money is there.
Whether is is distributed in the best possible fashion is another argument entirely. They money is most certainly there. It is fact. It cannot be argued. Trying to twist it any other way is factually incorrect and really detracts from any other point, article, post, or whatever that you want to make.
In terms of the bowl payouts, I thought we were talking about revenue and not profit. Still, if you want to make a huge deal out of a short-term reduction, then fine. I have not pored over the numbers, but it doesn’t take much to see that a perfect storm of events all converged in 2009 to give Iowa an above normal football profit. Therefore it should have been expected to normalize in the next year. It just so happens that these are the two most recent data points availble so ZOMGZ R PROGRAM IZ DYING!.
Another factor that hasn’t been brought up yet is cost of living. It has to cost these guys a hell of a lot less money to live out here in BF Iowa versus the East Coast or anywhere else they want to go. Any of us that have made roadies to follow the team know the kind of sticker shock that one can experience outside of our reasonably priced bubble around here.
In any case, the numbers that we are talking about are PEANUTS in the grand scheme of not only the entire athletic department, but the university as a whole, and if think a few thousand bucks either way is going to be a deal breaker in any of this then you just have absolutely no idea at all what you are talking about.
by i_love_iowa on Dec 22, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
I think I read that Norm had to take a pay cut because his job description no longer included
recruiting. This would not surprise me since public universities have by laws that regulate salaries and while there are certainly ways around them, so you can hire star academics (mostly researchers who bring in huge grant money, etc.) Kirk might have signed off as a way to manage morale among the staff.
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by StoopsMyAss on Dec 22, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't worry about the PSU increase
Because they’re gonna have to bank that to defend against lawsuits that are going to stretch on for YEARS
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by The Bird Cult on Dec 22, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Iowa Basketball turned a profit?
I look forward to the longer post.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
we are paying for Lick still...so that's there too.
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by StoopsMyAss on Dec 22, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Paying,
in so many ways.
I thought I had read that the program was losing money for the last year or three. I hope it’s not, but what do I know.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I don't have any numbers to back this up, but I wouldn't be shocked
if Iowa’s lost money on men’s basketball every year since the 2005-2006 season. Wouldn’t shock me at all.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
They are gonna get a ton of money from the conference TV deal, NCAA tourney money
that is pooled and divided just like in football, etc. Plus they are selling at least a FEW tickets every now and then.
If we are turning even a small profit now, at the lowest point in the program’s history, then it has no possible place to go up but up, and only reinforces the overall health and robust vitality of the larger Iowa athletic department.
by i_love_iowa on Dec 22, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
This was my first thought when the basketball loss was mentioned.
Lick made more than Fran last year (and will again this year, I believe). I don’t remember the number, but I’m assuming that once Lick’s payout is complete, Iowa will have recouped a good portion of that $1.1M loss.
by The Mexican't on Dec 22, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Lickliter was the 2nd highest paid public employee in the entire state of Iowa last year
Behind only Ferentz.
by i_love_iowa on Dec 22, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
You might want to let the guy that wrote the article understand that, then.
He fails to grasp that we can pay a former coach 1.5M a year to sit on the couch, but won’t be able to come up with an extra $100,000 or so to hire a competent D-Coordinator.
see what happens is...
Coaches get these things called “contracts” that gaurantee them work or pay for a certain number of years. But when a coach is extra terrible the school can do this thing called a “buyout” where they still honor the terms of their “contract” with the shitty coach by paying him the agreed salary, but they kick him out of office before he can do any more damage to the program.
Nobody is happy with the Lick buyout situation, but shit happens. It’s not that we CAN afford to pay him. We HAVE to pay him. And that has absolutely nothing to do with football hiring or pay structure.
by HawkeyeInExile on Dec 22, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
And what that says is boy howdy, we were DUMB
Barta really fucked up the Lick hire by hiring Lick in the first place. As much as a fishbowl IC is, you’ve got to have personable coaches… Kirk may not be the warmest and fuzziest but he’s Robin Williams on a crack IV drip compared to Lickliter.
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by The Bird Cult on Dec 22, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Lickliter was the hottest coach in the country when Iowa hired him.
Are you suggesting that Iowa needed to dig a little deeper than the big name and find a coach that no one had heard of whose system the team could buy into to produce wins?
by The Mexican't on Dec 22, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't that kind of what we just did? :p
Your point is well-taken. We rolled the dice and it didn’t work… Basketball is one of those sports at Iowa where I think we have to run a system that’s much different than the rest of the conference to be successful over the long-term. We had that with Dr. Tom; its just that people weren’t happy with the results because we weren’t winning NCAA titles every year – but hell, at least we were making the tournament and good enough that people didn’t take us lightly.
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by The Bird Cult on Dec 22, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
How many Big 10 titles did Dr. Tom bring home?
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I see what you're doing
And he’s definitely going to chase his tail.
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by therealCatnuts on Dec 22, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
yes and no
I think it was a bad hire, but I think it had less to do with Lick’s personality and more to do with the type of program he wanted to build. It’s like trying to rebuild a wrecked car and make it as slow as possible. Who wants a slow boring car? Nobody. I want nitro boosters in that bitch. Which is why we went with a coach who wants to build a more aggressive fast-paced team in McCaffery.
by HawkeyeInExile on Dec 22, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
And while Iowa City is certainly fun
Its by no means big time urban, with the distractions that are there for big city kids to come and play basketball… you don’t have a full CHA right now, Iowa is (and always has been) a football school that at times has fantastic basketball teams. So from a basketball player’s perspective, its not a fun place to be – compared to the locations of many other basketball programs – when you’re not playing basketball, so you need to make playing here as entertaining as possible when you are on the court.
And I’m sorry… I’d much rather watch run and gun gym rat ball than half court featuring 26 passes per possession and putting up bricks from 3 pt land. Fuck that.
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by The Bird Cult on Dec 22, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
That accounts for the basketball loss.
That does not, however, cover the $3.3M in reduced profits for the football program. A program which just took on an expensive football facility project.
by The Mexican't on Dec 22, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Again, THE MONEY IS THERE.
THE MONEY IS THERE
THE MONEY IS THERE
THE MONEY IS THERE
THE MONEY IS THERE.
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by therealCatnuts on Dec 22, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not arguing about whether or not Iowa can afford to pay a coach like Tom Bradley
What I am saying is that Iowa sports cannot continue to lose money hand over fist. Hiring a coach as expensive as Bradley may be could potentially be a bad idea if the losses continue as they have from 2010-2011.
Patrick provided numbers and suggested that the budget is being tightened. You simply said, “HA you’re an idiot, Iowa has A BAZILLION DOLLARS. A fact that is completely obvious because they already pay their head football coach 3 million every year. DUH.”
by The Mexican't on Dec 22, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
So your basic argument here is than an additional say $400,000 a year
to hire Tom Bradly as DC for a few years until he inevitable takes a HC job somewhere else is going to bankrupt the Iowa athletics department.
A extremely well reasoned and cogent argument./
Bradley is not coming here
So you can set aside that pipedream. If he’s not the head coach of Penn State next year he’ll probably be one somewhere else making the same or better than the salary you threw out. That makes a lot more sense for him than making a lateral move to us, especially considering that he wont be in line for head coach here. Like you said, he’d be gone in stew years. So how is that a good fit in a program that prides itself on low turnover?
More importantly your argument that we should pay top dollar for an assistant football coach because we’re (tragically) paying stacks of cash to a head basketball coach makes zero sense.
by HawkeyeInExile on Dec 22, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Come on, don't be that guy
Mexican’t wasn’t being rude or personally attacking you; he was simply stating that IF Iowa continues to see decreased revenue coming in with it’s current commitments to new facilities it could make the program in a less advantageous position. This problem (IF it came to pass) would only be exacerbated by having to pay the new DC more money than we are currently.
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by ClaybornSmash on Dec 22, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
Annnnnddddddd.....right on cue
Forbes names the Iowa football program as one of the Top 20 most valuable in all of college athletics.
Pretty funny.
by i_love_iowa on Dec 22, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
Here is the link:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2011/12/22/college-footballs-most-valuable-teams/2/
And yes, this is quite timely.
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by One_ill_KevinJ on Dec 22, 2011 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
Annnnnnddddd
This is the point Patrick was trying to make (from the article linked):
the Iowa Athletic Department contributed $9 million to the brand new Campus Recreation and Wellness Center last year
The Football and Basketball programs have not been taking in as much money they did before the previous 2 years. If that trends continues, with the athletic department already contributing money to various multi-million dollar building and improvement projects the athletic department budget might not look as good as it does today.
Keep in mind, this is all hypothetical – as of right now, the athletic department is sitting in a very nice position. One year is an abberation, two years might be a coincidence, three years starts to make a trend. Patrick never said that we weren’t in a good position right now, just that we need to be on the watch to make sure that we stay in a good position if we keep committing to spending if our revenue from football keeps going down.
"He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' " - Jim "Huge Brass Balls" Delaney
by ClaybornSmash on Dec 23, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
Again, the problem is absolutely not a lack of money
This issue, if there is one, is a poor and inefficient allocation of resources. That is a valid criticism to make. But any attempt to suggest that an overall lack of funds is an issue here is just being disingenuous at best, foolish at worst, and factually incorrect either way.
by i_love_iowa on Dec 23, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Business 101:
You can control costs, but you can’t control revenues.
Yes, revenues are good and profits have been very good in the past several years. But you can’t ignore the growing fixed costs just because revenue currently projects to cover them. Especially when your direct competitors have not seen your same problems of lower revenues and higher costs.
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by therealCatnuts on Dec 23, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
but, but, but...
we don’t deserve to be an annual Top 20 program. Averaging 7-5 or 8-4 is the BEST we can hope for. Boohoohoo.
As I’ve said, I’ve yet to see a compelling argument why Nebraska should have institutional legacy and Iowa doesn’t. Iowa State? Northern Iowa? Please.
meh
ATTENTION ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION
WE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROL.
WE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROL.
WE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROL.
Sorry, I couldn’t help myself. Back to talking about shit that’s Iowa related.
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by The Bird Cult on Dec 22, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
How much longer do we have to pay him, BTW?
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by The Bird Cult on Dec 22, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't mind seeing a Secondhand (Nittany) Lion DC at Iowa
Any of these guys would be a good hire if they clean house at PSU. Solid track record in producing fine players and top-notch defenses at Penn State. Haven’t heard any of them implicated in any way in the Sandusky scandal/coverup.
I would do a major :( face if anyone of them were hired at Iowa
No way in hell I want to go against them. Good-great recruiters, all are considered some of the best defensive minds in cfb. I’d rather see them go out west where their impact wouldn’t really be felt
on a related note, LJ sr did say he’d retire once Joe leaves. We’ll see.
Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 22, 2011 10:30 AM CST reply actions
I kind of like your signature.
Nicely done.
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by WaterlooChazz on Dec 23, 2011 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bradley? No.
If he doesn’t get PSU he’ll be a head coach somewhere else. If all the choice jobs are taken for the year, he’ll take some time off and be back for 2013..
Johnson? Seems very doubtful. As stated here and elsehwere, he seems very tied to PSU and the east, and has stated that when Paterno retires, so will he. And it’s not like Paterno’s retirement was pushed ahead by more than a year or two here.
The other guy? No idea, but it’s lunch time.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Question -
Why are people so testy today? Let’s turn those frowns upside down!
by txhawkeye on Dec 22, 2011 2:28 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Holiday shopping.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Dec 22, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
that's my problem
fuck all these people.
fuck their inability to drive.
fuck their inability to checkout in less than 17 minutes.
merry christmas, hallelujah, holy shit, where’s the tylenol
Hey, you're describing where I live, even when its not Christmas
I shudder to think what daily life in LA is like… Sacramento is bad enough.
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
http://www.thebirdcult.net
by The Bird Cult on Dec 22, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
well it's not like i live on a farm
i choose to live in a downtown building so i can walk everywhere and avoid this stupid fucking suburbs/box store lifestyle (also-drinking and driving), except when i need to go there for a little sister’s christmas gift
/endrant
I live in an inner ring suburb 5 miles from my office
Which is in downtown Sacramento. I have the option of driving on city streets (or the freeway, but the streets are faster), riding my bicycle, walking (I’ve done it a few times), taking light rail or the bus. Its nice to have options!
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
http://www.thebirdcult.net
by The Bird Cult on Dec 22, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
Work.
It’s a good thing my night is almost over. It’s not been a good shift.
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 22, 2011 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
I thought you were from Iowa, not McKees Rocks?
(and before PSU had banned Pitt from the schedule)
Why can’t you stop making cheap shots that you can’t possibly prove? Particularly when those cheap shots look ridiculous considering the fact that Penn State just signed a deal with Pitt, for God’s sake.
Oh, I know: because you enjoy trolling Penn State fans and you know I can’t possibly stop from angrily responding.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
I want to apologize and clarify a bit.
I was already in a bad mood because of some stupid crap in my family and I let that impact me too much. Hence the biting tone of that post.
But I can’t back away from my main source of frustration because it’s still there.
Patrick, you’re an excellent and reasonable writer and a good person. We all have our different pet peeves, mine is laziness from excellent and reasonable writers. Your quote that ticked me off was and is lazy. It discounts the complexities of the Penn State-Pitt scheduling deal in a way that is entirely harsh and unfair to one side as it ignores 1) Penn State finding the long-term series financially unsustainable, 2) the stubbornness of Pitt’s athletic department which, I remind you, is run by notorious silly person Steve Pedersen, and 3) the relatively recent news that Penn State – which, if you listen to enough Pitt fans, sabotaged everything and ruined poor old Pitt because Penn State just had to have a 2-for-1 deal in its favor – had agreed to a two game home-and-home series with Pitt.
I apologize for being a douche about my complaint.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 22, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
You think too highly of yourself
If I really wanted to troll Penn State fans, I’d go to BSD and troll Penn State fans.
Is it not true that Joe Paterno demanded that the other now-BCS level football program in his state play two games at his stadium for every one at theirs? Of course it is true, and you have never denied it. Nobody — not Steve Peterson, not his alter ego Teve Teterson, not you, not I — would agree to do that if we were Pitt, and Joe knew that well. The fact is, Joe Paterno canceled that series; why he did it, I simply don’t care. To say that nine words in a fucking parenthetical are “harsh and unfair to one side” when they are completely factual is…
You know what? I don’t have time for this shit. It’s a free site, Rambler, and it’s not here solely for your bitching. If you don’t like what you read, then get the fuck out.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Dec 23, 2011 7:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is it not true that Joe Paterno demanded that the other now-BCS level football program in his state play two games at his stadium for every one at theirs?
Ok, first of all, Joe Paterno was not the athletic director when Penn State and Pitt ended their series (And if he was truly the power behind the curtains, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz wouldn’t be in the middle of the criminal system). Second of all, what exactly would make this “demand” unreasonable? Penn State has decided to fund a lot of other programs and the best (only, really) way to do that is through football revenues. Hence a long-term home-and-home series (Which is what Pitt “demanded”) was financially unsustainable if Penn State still wanted to retain some independence in their scheduling process, which they did, and hence the Alabama series we just saw. Pitt may be “now-BCS level”, but, in pure financial terms, they’re a vastly, vastly smaller fish with a stadium they can’t fill consistently and that was especially true back in the late ‘90s when the series was ended because Pitt had been absolutely horrendous in that decade. You act like there is some kind of injustice here and there isn’t. This isn’t even a matter of fairness. In the late 1990s, Pitt was awful and Penn State hadn’t had more than four losses in a season since the 1980s. It was not unreasonable for Penn State to say, “If we’re going to continue this on a long-term basis, we want it to be in a format that doesn’t lose us a ton of money.” What is wrong about that?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 23, 2011 8:07 AM CST up reply actions
Astoundingly, the hayseeds at Iowa have somehow found a way to pay two BCS teams a season -- and make money doing so -- for years and years now.
Ok, first of all, Joe Paterno was not the athletic director when Penn State and Pitt ended their series (And if he was truly the power behind the curtains, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz wouldn’t be in the middle of the criminal system).
You’re right, JoePa had no influence whatsoever on the football schedules his teams played.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
*play, not pay
Though the ISU arrangement is definitely us funding them.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Dec 23, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, play not pay.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Sorry to have been pedantic
Just wanted to make the comment about ISU and the funding arrangement. In fact, I think the PSU-Pitt relationship and the loss of equality in a 1-for-1 is a quick lesson in how the future of the UI-ISU relationship might end up in football. The only thing holding it together right now is the BOR and some sort of in-state pride.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Dec 23, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
I hope Iowa keeps the arrangement with ISU
Although it has zero out of state recognition, ISU gets far more wins than is logically possible & the 1-1 isnt a fair economic arrangement; It still manages to be a fun rivalry& managed to be so even suring the 15 year stretch.
Plus even when ISU wins, Iowas still such a dominantly superior program I can still be an arrogent & snobbish aloof asshole to ISU fans.
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Dec 24, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions


















