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Wha Happened? Week Ten Around The Big Ten

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Wha Happened? is the weekly round-up of the rest of the games that were in the Big Ten -- you know, the ones that were going on while you were shotgunning that beer, or watching Iowa, or sleeping off that early-morning tailgating.  Who won?  Who lost?  Who made us quiver with fear?  Who made us laugh hysterically?  In short... Wha Happened?

Wha Happened? took a brief hiatus last week to find some more things to burn in the gigantic dumpster fire that was the loss to Minnesota, but we're back now and our schadenfreudeometer is ready for action.  Buckle up.

WIN
just Northwestern 28, #10 Nebraska 25
Oh, Wizgerald, you're a wily one.  Yes you are.  We were starting to think that your near-annual trend of upsetting an unsuspecting ranked opponent was going to take a break this year.  You missed out on your usual victim (Iowa), although they weren't ranked (which probably kneecapped your motivation to spring the big upset, right?).  You also missed out on chances to notch upset wins at home against Michigan and Penn State, despite leading at halftime against Big Blue and trailing by just three against Penn State.  You even missed out on a chance to topple a ranked Illinois team on the road by choking away a late lead and forgetting to stay in the same zip code as A.J. Jenkins.  Why you mixed in a five-game losing streak to make us wonder if you were even any good at all.  But that was all just a devilish prelude to one of your most unlikely upsets in years: toppling the Big Ten's mighty newcomer, Nebraska, who was riding high at home after delivering a comprehensive beatdown to fellow division favorite Michigan State a week earlier.  Well done, Wizgerald.  Well done indeed.

As enjoyable as it was to see the Annual jNW Upset Bug bite a new victim this year (and oh it was, particularly when the victim was Nebraska), the strangest thing about the game was how little it really felt like an upset.  In contrast to past Annual jNW Upset Games, this one involved very little chicanery: there were no magic potatoes (OK, none that we know about), no timely injuries to star players (in fact, Nebraska's best player, QB Taylor Martinez, actually had by far his finest passing day of the season -- 28/37, 289 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT), no Dan Persa magic tricks (#PERSASTRONG once again failed to finish the game after suffering a big hit; this has been quite a forgettable senior season for Persa), and no fortuitous turnover luck (jNW actually had a -1 turnover margin on the day).  Northwestern simply looked like the better team: they outgained Nebraska (468-411), owned them on the ground (207-122), dominated time of possession (34:06-25:54), and generally made the newly-anointed "Blackshirt" defense look soft and lost.  On the decisive fourth quarter drive, Northwestern didn't use any trickery to get the game-icing score -- in fact, they ran a drive that would have had Tom Osborne nodding in approval if it hadn't been happening to his beloved Huskers: they ran the ball thirteen straight times for 66 yards and a touchdown, gobbling up almost half of the fourth quarter (7:21) in the process.  Welcome to the Big Ten, Nebraska: you've just been Northwestern'd.

Star-divide

PLACE
#20 Wisconsin 62, Purdue 17
So Wisconsin loses two road games against tough opponents on last-minute downfield heaves and they drop all the way to 20th?  Poppycock, I say.  I still think they're the Big Ten's best and most complete team, although they'll only get a chance to prove that in Indianapolis if they can knock off Penn State on Thanksgiving weekend (and get a little help in the form of another PSU loss, too).  In the meantime, the Badgers are on a mission to inflict pain and suffering on the Big Ten's lesser lights; Purdue was this week's unfortunate victim.  OMHR held serve with the Badgers for a few drives (it was just 14-10 Wisconsin at the end of the first quarter), but they could not stave off the impending Buckylanche forever; by halftime it was 38-17 Wisco and the only thing left for the Badgers to do was rack up style points.  They tacked on another 24 points in the second half to finish with 62 points (the most a Big Ten team has hung on another Big Ten squad since... Wisco put 70 on Northwestern last year) and had 605 yards of offense, paced by another ruthlessly efficient day from Russell Wilson (15/20, 205 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT; 10 carries, 76 yards, 1 TD) and another marvelous game from Montee Ball (20 carries, 223 yards, 3 TD).  They are still quite good.

SHOW
Ohio State 34, Indiana 20
Early on, Saturday's action looked like a glimpse at Big Ten action from Earth-2: all three underdogs (Iowa, Indiana, Minnesota) were leading their favored opponents (Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State).  Two of the three favorites (Ohio State, Michigan State) wound up winning, but the supposedly overmatched underdogs fought valiantly: Indiana was tied with Ohio State as late as 0:09 in the third quarter.  The story of the game for the Hoosiers was the continuing emergence of true freshman quarterback Tre Roberson, whose stat line (11/21, 174 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT; 20 carries, 70 yards) suggested that this solid showing against Iowa wasn't just a fluke caused by the Iowa defense's tendency to make plenty of quarterbacks look better than they really are.  Roberson looks like the sort of dynamic playmaking threat at quarterback that the Hoosiers have lacked since Kellen Lewis -- if not Antwaan Randle-El; those two signal-callers led Indiana to their best seasons in recent memory, a fact which should give Big Tens pause when the Hoosiers show up on the schedule for the next few years.  Meanwhile, Ohio State still found passing the ball to be an overrated fad (Braxton Miller went 5/11 for 55 yards, 0 TD, and 1 INT), but you can do that when you have three 100-yard rushers in one game and run for 346 yards and 4 TDs total.  The Buckeyes we left for dead in the wake of Tatgate are now just one Penn State loss away from controlling their own destiny in the mighty IlliBuck Division. 

#17 Michigan State 31, Minnesota 24
You're welcome, Big Ten.  You can thank Iowa for awakening the slumbering Gopher menace.  That or Jerry Kill was just waiting for a finished contract to start doing some actual coaching.  In any event, the previously hapless Gophers have looked a hell of a lot less hapless the last two games -- especially the last five or so quarters.  They picked up right where they left off in toppling Iowa a week ago in opening up three separate first half leads (7-0, 14-7, 17-14) on the Spartans -- and adding another lead change in the third quarter (24-21) for good measure.  Alas, their mojo ran out in the fourth quarter, but they put one hell of a scare into the Sparty.  The Gophers' co-Men of the Match were undoubtedly MarQueis Gray (19/32, 295 yards, 3 TD, 2 INT) and Da'Jon McKnight (9 catches, 173 yards, 3 TD), who made mincemeat of the Spartan secondary.  The Gopher run defense also had a bounce-back day after giving up almost a quarter of Marcus Coker's 1000+ yards a week ago: they held Michigan State to just 106 yards and 2 TD on 28 carries.  Unfortunately, Kirk Cousins more than made up the difference with a highly efficient passing performance: 23/34, 296 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT.  Still, a program that lost to New Mexico State and North Dakota State earlier this season can still take some solace in the moral victory that this loss provides.  Sparty, meanwhile, desperately needs to recover the mojo they had during their stunning October march through the Big Ten (although hopefully not for another week).

NEXT WEEK: Penn State attempts to put the worst bye week in recorded history behind them by entertaining... a Nebraska team seeking to rebound from an Epic Northwestern'ing (; Michigan State seeks to solidify their grip on the Floyd of Rosedale division by beating Iowa in their personal house of horrors (Kinnick Stadium); Michigan tries to rebound from their own Kinnick Stadium heartache by taking on The Fightin' Zookers; Ohio State heads to West Lafayette to try and add to OHMR's misery; and Wisconsin fights to avoid giving Minnesota an oversized wooden axe to go with their giant bronze pig.

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Still sad.
their giant bronze pig

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Nov 7, 2011 4:27 PM CST reply actions  

We know that depressed look from a stunning jNW loss all too well

Nice to see a different fanbase wearing that for once.

Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.

by Nickhawk08 on Nov 7, 2011 4:51 PM CST reply actions  

The Big Ten went 12 for 14 on field goals this week

Including 4 for 6 on FGs 40 yards or over (1 for 1 on FGs over 50 yards).

That’s what happened in the Big Ten.

 // I’m looking at you, SEC game of the millennium…

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 7, 2011 4:53 PM CST reply actions  

Saban probably

would have loved to go 10-12; or even 3-5

"I'm not a psychopath, Anderson, I'm a high-functioning sociopath. Do your research." - Sherlock Holmes

by KenK on Nov 7, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Better yet

3-4. No 5th attempt needed….

by PackerHawk on Nov 8, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

what scares me about the late season bloodbath

is teh B1G ends up looking like the big east
with maybe only one ranked team,,,
(i dont see psu pissing it all away)
everyone butchering each other
i shudder to think,,,,

Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER

by OhioHawk on Nov 7, 2011 4:59 PM CST reply actions  

Well, if Wisconsin or someone had run the table...

… the pundits would’ve just said it goes to show that the B1G was reduced to a Big1.

The conference isn’t going to get any respect no matter so I’m all for chaos. Especially the sort of chaos that makes the Hawkeyes masters of their own destiny.

On Iowa

by keosahawkeye on Nov 7, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

i might argue

that an undefeated anyone
ranked in the top five
beats the living shit
out of one team ranked in the 20’s
bound for the rose bowl,,,,,

Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER

by OhioHawk on Nov 7, 2011 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the real story should be that the Big Ten as a week in and week out

conference is tougher than it looks. Just ask Nebraska who might end with four losses in conference.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 7, 2011 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

We'll only know that

at the end of the year. Hopefully it results in a good bowl win percentage

"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass

by chitownhawkeye on Nov 7, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Great point

We should have favorable matchups.

White Horn Gold Pants

by DM_Purp on Nov 7, 2011 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think Bowl match-ups tell much because they are rarely fairly

set up. Last year, for example, most of ours were against more highly rated teams. Even Iowa played a #12 team and we were ranked in the mid to high 20s by most computers.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 8, 2011 6:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Mandel's updated bowl match ups

have Iowa going to some god awful bowl against the MAC #2. Apparently he has us finishing 8th in the Big Ten.

I realize this game would be away from the friendly confines of HKS but I can’t imagine a more favorable bowl match up.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Nov 8, 2011 8:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Wasn't it the Little Ceasar's Bowl against Ohio?

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Nov 8, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

The mighty Bobcats of Athens, OH.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 8, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

#1 vs. #4

in the party school rankings…

by DJK's bongwater on Nov 8, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

And how correct they are.

My brother went to OU and Athens is an amazing and unholy combination of Appalachia, Ames and Haight-Ashbury. Some of the behavior that occurs there defies decency, logic and even physics. It’s a good time.

And Casa Nueva makes fucking righteous margaritas and chilaquiles.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 8, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Defies physics? Sounds like a fun time!

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Nov 8, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

i live 30 miles from athens

and back in my drinking days
it was even too wild for me
its the sixties man

Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER

by OhioHawk on Nov 8, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Mandel probably isn't putting much though into any bowls

beyond the BCS and Cap One level. And to cut the guy some slack, do you really think he’s paying a whole bunch of attention to teams outside the top 10? He’s got a lot to do this time of year.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Nov 8, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Wasn't a dig on Mandel at all

He’s the only guy I read on a consistent basis, he’s just the only guy who takes the time to list the bowl.

Just saying it is about the most favorable match up you could dream up in the bowl season.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Nov 8, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

The national media will make the storyline whatever they want.

Vandy upsets LSU? “OMG look how deep the SEC is, anyone can beat anyone!”
Indiana upsets Wisconsin? “LOL Wisconsin (and by extension the B1G) sucks, how do you lose to Indiana?”
LSU and Alabama run rampage over the rest of the SEC? “Put ’em both in the title game, nobody else has played a schedule that tough!”
Penn State and Wisconsin do the same in the B1G? “LOL Big Ten? More like Big Two, amirite? They haven’t played anyone!”

Amazing how the same two sets of outcomes can be interpreted so differently.

I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.

by SpartanDan on Nov 8, 2011 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

The B1G just isn't that good this year

I love the parity and all, but it’s a down year.

"Woody Orne with the one-handed grab!"

by One_ill_KevinJ on Nov 7, 2011 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's hard to tell

Wisconsin is good, we all can agree on that.
MSU is probably pretty good, given Cousins, Cunningham, and their D.
OSU is coming around after suspendo-gate.
UM has Denard and Co, and an improved defense.
PSU has a great D and inconsistent but okay offense.
Iowa is Iowa.
Nebraska is a mystery, as likely to blow out a bowl opponent as get blown out.

But that’s SEVEN reasonable quality teams with at least a chance to win a bowl game. No world-beaters, but just a look at the QB’s in the conference—excepting PSU—you see potential there.

We’ll know more after bowl season, but the B10 can go 4-3 with that crew, easy.

"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"

by The Director on Nov 7, 2011 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

It all depends on the bowl season.

Get some favorable match-ups, pull off an upset or two, and suddenly the B1G is a “really competitive” conference. Get match-ups like we did last year and have Wisconsin shit the bed again, and the media will continue to spin “the B1G sucks” yarn.

"Let me finish or I will hammerpunch your clavicle." -Steve Youngblood

by SomeJerkPoster on Nov 7, 2011 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Wisconsin did major damage to the conference profile.

The Rose Bowl is a game we simply must win to get anyone to take us seriously as a conference.

"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 8, 2011 7:03 AM CST up reply actions  

1997


"Pursue happiness... with diligence."

by Bucketochicken on Nov 7, 2011 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

2002, certainly.

Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 7, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah.

Forgot about that one.


"Pursue happiness... with diligence."

by Bucketochicken on Nov 7, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

If the SEC fails to produce an undefeated

it’s because they’re all so good that nobody can emerge from that hell without losing.

If the B1G fails to produce an undefeated, it’s because they all suck.

I learned that on ESPN.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Nov 7, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

they also taught me

that a 9-6 Game of the Century with 4 missed field goals, fumbles and 2 interceptions is proof that defense in the SEC is completely dominate.

The same game played in any other conference is proof that conference’s offenses all suck.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Nov 8, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

*dominant

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields

by rockyh on Nov 8, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

To be fair, both LSU and Alabama are averaging nearly 40 points in a game this year

That both teams were held out of the endzone is a testament to the defenses. Trent Richardson is easily one of the top 3 RBs in the country and he had something stupid like 83 yards on 25 carries. The defensive units at Bama and LSU are other-worldly good.

by The Mexican't on Nov 8, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh. If the Big Ten teams then go on to win something like 5 of their 6 bowls (or something like that)

then no one can talk.

I haven’t seen any world beaters in college football this year.

"Gophers are filthy digging rats"
-one of HFMR's many amazing tags

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 7, 2011 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

When this happens in the SEC, it's proof of how competitive the SEC is, right?

Gosh! These SEC teams are ALL. SO. AMAZINGLY. GOOD., and they beat each other up all week and it just goes to show how tough that conference is.

But when a lowlife Big 10 team scores an upset, it highlights how weak the Big 10 is!

That said, I do think think the Big 10 is kinda not impressive this year, 2009 was our best campaign in some time, I believe every one of our ranked teams won their bowl games that year.

A man may leave Iowa, but Iowa never leaves a man.

by hawkeyeinstl on Nov 8, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

This is not a strong year for the B1G

and over the last decade or so, the top 1 to 3 SEC teams really are among the best in the country. I just wish they’d all admit that the REST of the conference is right down in the “pretty good” to “you suck” range just like every other conference.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Nov 8, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I completely agree with the idea that

the top 2/3 of the SEC is typically going to count themselves among the best 10-15 teams in the country pretty much every year. But the idea that there’s somehow a trickle-down effect of quality is absurd. The SEC has also sported its fair share of truly awful teams over the last decade or so. And not “SEC awful” (wank) but just awful awful.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 8, 2011 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

for making it rain on Jerry Kill.

NEXT WEEK:
The implosion continues.

by fastfred on Nov 7, 2011 5:14 PM CST reply actions  

Never support a team's claim at legitimacy

by comparing them to Big East squads.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 8, 2011 12:51 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

So very true. The Big East is the MAC with AQ status.

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Nov 8, 2011 8:20 AM CST up reply actions  

That's not fair.

The MAC sometimes features exciting games and has greater conference stability.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 8, 2011 9:38 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Touche!

"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"

by Swarley on Nov 8, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I contend that our most embarrassing losses

were against Michigan (58-0) and Purdue (45-17 I believe). NDSU was one of our least embarrassing losses. I think they could beat Purdue.

by Gophermike on Nov 7, 2011 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks Ross.

That SADCORN picture makes me extremely happy.


"Pursue happiness... with diligence."

by Bucketochicken on Nov 7, 2011 5:20 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, the Sad Nebraska fan picture is so full of win.

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

http://www.thebirdcult.net

by The Bird Cult on Nov 7, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I would guess it's possible

But it would be damn hard to actually do it. There’s bad, and then there’s “we really don’t particularly feel like playing football right now because of this”, and I’d put what’s going on at PSU in the latter.

Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.

by benvious on Nov 7, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a different sort of bad

the sort that football fans don’t typically have to deal with. You read about this sort of horrific behavior in the news and it sickens you. To see it happen in a university setting and to have taken this long to deal with is mind numbing.
Trying to be objective, and I’ll be honest, as a parent, it’s difficult, this is the sort of situation where I fully expect the PA board of regents (or whoever else is ultimately where the buck stops) to do what they can to ensure that everyone within a degree of separation is gone by the time this goes to trial. The heads have started to roll, but I would be surprised if there is anyone on the coaching staff, JoePa included, who is there at the start of next season. They would be justified in overreacting, firing, offering buyouts, retirements, whatever, simply in the name of “cleaning house”. This is bad, and will likely get much worse before it gets better. If I’m a booster, former player, parent of a recruit who visited, or anyone in contact with this charity or the football department, I have to be asking myself what happened. How did this happen without being stopped. We’re not talking NCAA violations. We’re not talking players assaulting students. We’re not talking players selling drugs or armed robbery. We’re talking about actions that have no justification under any circumstances, and will stain everyone close to it.

"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass

by chitownhawkeye on Nov 7, 2011 8:33 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I don't think overreaction is ever justified.

I can only hope that Penn State is actually going to wait and make a rational decision rather than condemning everyone without any evidence.

Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 7, 2011 8:56 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'll agree with Rambler on this

But this is as close as any situation gets to “overreaction being justified”. Sexually abusing a kid, in my mind, is without exception the worst thing a human can do to another human.

Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.

by benvious on Nov 7, 2011 9:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry Rambler

This isn’t an issue for Penn State alumni or fans anymore, it’s an issue for the taxpayers of Pennsylvania. We’ll get more details, but I can’t imagine people will be okay keeping the current administration and football staff in any scenario short of the Grand Jury retracting what it has already found. You don’t stay on a Board of Regents by keeping the people described in that document among the highest paid public employees in the state.

This is a serious situation, and the best you could hope for would be administrative leave while facts are more fully investigated. But that’s not conducive to running a football team, and I doubt it’s what JoePa’s new boss will have in mind either.

If JoePa is somehow a victim of circumstance here then that sucks for him, but there is no constitutional right to stay head coach as long as you want. You can get fired for losing out on too many in-state recruits, you can get fired for rhabdo, you can get fired for losing to Temple, and you can get fired just because a sexier head coach candidate became available. It’s not supposed to be fair in normal times, and these are not normal times.

by Notclevr on Nov 7, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

With respects, I don’t see how any of this responds to what I said.

Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, it doesn't really at all

My trail of thought gets a little confused about this whole thing, but it’s as much as a response to everything I’ve read on BSD and just what I imagine to be the general state of the PSU fan as anything. The title isn’t meant to be “Sorry Rambler, you’re wrong” it’s meant to be “I’m genuinely sorry Rambler, this really sucks.” Sandusky ruined the lives of children first and foremost, but he also tarnished a pretty special institution and hurt a lot of fans, for whom that institution and its football program really does mean a lot.

The content of my post was just my latest rambling thought process about it. My new thought is to stop thinking/talking and wait as it plays out, which is kind of all any of us can do at this point.

by Notclevr on Nov 8, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Short of shutting the doors on the University

there is not much that can be done that would be an overreaction.

I was a supporter of JoePa until I dug into the story a bit more. The details of what happened made me sick to my stomach. Read the Grand Jury report and tell me that Paterno, the janitor, the graduate student, and everyone else that was told about this from the two eyewitnesses should be let off the hook for doing what was required of them. If they have any humanity in them, they KNOW they should have done more. Their failure to act allowed additional young boys to suffer.

A warning- that report will make you sick to your stomach. I don’t care how much you liked Paterno, he needs to be fired for what he DIDN’T do, and he should consider himself lucky. The two people HE reported the incident to are going to jail for perjury for attempting to cover this up.

BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!

by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Nov 7, 2011 11:49 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I know everyone has different standards of justice, one of mine is this: if the American legal system is going to hold itself to patience, then I will hold myself in the same way.

You don’t know what Paterno did or did not do. Spencer Hall doesn’t know what Paterno did or did not do. I don’t know what Paterno did or did not do. Paterno may have covered everything up, or he may have pressed Curley and gotten a bunch of BS, no matter what, I don’t think the whole college football world right to to call for the man’s job when all they have to offer in justification are assumptions and not facts or anything of the sort.

Obviously I’m in a different position and obviously Paterno means more to me than he does to others. But, still, I believe I’m right to want the following from Penn State: A judgment on Paterno that is not a “crisis management” decision taken to save the University’s reputation from media pressure. The fact that some Penn State fans are calling for such a decision strikes me as absolutely wrong. Make the decision based on Paterno’s actions, not on the same sort of saving-face rationale that led Curley and Schultz to indictments.

I don’t care how much you liked Paterno, he needs to be fired for what he DIDN’T do, and he should consider himself lucky.

Where I’m at right now is a position of wanting to wait until we actually know what Paterno “DIDN’T do” before we make our judgements. Right now we can only assume that he didn’t “do enough” (however one defines that) because it took so long for the allegations to come to the surface.

Oh, and I hope the thesaurus has lots of definitions for “assumption” because I’m a broken record already.

Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Big rec

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 8, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Grand Jury evidence is not an assumption

It’s evidence. It’s testimony under oath. Admittedly, people can lie. After all, that is why Curley and Schultz have been charged with perjury.

However, the only thing I’m assuming when I read a grand jury report is that the grand jury did their job. The report starts:
“We, the members of the Thirty-Third Statewide Investigating Grand Jury, having received and reviewed evidence regarding violations of the Crimes Code occurring in Centre County, Pennsylvania… do hereby make the following findings of fact and recommendation of charges.

The report goes into very specific detail. Try reading it. There is plenty of evidence and facts included.

Make the decision based on Paterno’s actions, not on the same sort of saving-face rationale that led Curley and Schultz to indictments.

I completely agree. Again, Curley and Schultz lied under oath. Those are actions that they will answer for. I went into this thinking Paterno did the right thing. After reading the grand jury report, it’s obvious I was wrong.

BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!

by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Nov 8, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

just once

i would like to see the course of justice
play out
with decisions made when the truth is known
I am a dad and a grandad,
and although i am not violent
am not sure how i might restrain myself
if this were my family
and i truly respect the families
and especially the kids who have lived with this a long time
they are in my prayers
but we have laws
and process
and you are innocient
until proven guilty
and if guilty
may you have a higher power

Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER

by OhioHawk on Nov 8, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

CRIMINALLY, you're innocent until proven guilty

The courts do not decide guilt or innocence with respect to moral responsibility. There are plenty of facts and evidence reported by a grand jury (not reporters or anonymous individuals) for an educated individual to draw his own conclusions about whether one performed his moral responsibility.

Many individuals involved here will never face a trial for what they did or didn’t do, but that doesn’t mean their actions or inactions weren’t wrong.

BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!

by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Nov 9, 2011 8:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, and if they DO go to a trial and are found not guilty

it doesn’t mean they’re innocent. It just means 12 people decided there wasn’t enough evidence to convict.

If a person is found not guilty, does that mean you, as an individual, are required to pretend the charges were never brought against the person? Would you want OJ to date your daughter? Would you want Casey Anthony to watch your grandchildren?

I agree, we shouldn’t lock someone up until they have a trial. However, as individuals, we have the right to draw our own conclusions based on evidence with or without a trial and independent of that trial’s conclusion. Many have already done that here.

BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!

by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Nov 9, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

This awfully close to the fallacy of saying

“Well, if he was accused, he must be guilty of something.”

Just because someone has been indicted, that makes them guilty of exactly jack shit (speaking generally, not about the specifics of this case). And for every case where you think the clearly guilty got off, there are more than likely 10 where the truly innocent were convicted. Don’t forget, it is a truism of American criminal justice that a prosecutor “could get a ham sandwich indicted if he wanted.”

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 9, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

For what it's good for (absolutely nothing!), The timely injuries to Nebraska happened 2 or 3 weeks ago.

Crick made that defense, as merely adequate as it was. I can’t see it being anything good the rest of the way without him.

meh

by tyger1147 on Nov 7, 2011 7:18 PM CST reply actions  

The picture definitely helps to point out that the game did not go well. The B1G definitely is not doing well this year, hopefully it won’t continue this way though as there is always hope for things improving in the future.

by Kim Doughty on Nov 7, 2011 9:20 PM CST reply actions  

"its northwestern a smart school"

followed by
“at Nebraska we are dumb”

by andrewdeanm on Nov 8, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions  

oh T-magic

I can’t think of a worse way to react to getting beat in basically every facet of the game.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Nov 8, 2011 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

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