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Iowa 24, Michigan 16: Winning With... Defense?

Boots to the rescue! (Photo by Joe Robbins/Getty Images)

Surely everyone knew Iowa would knock off a 15th ranked Michigan team a week after losing to Minnesota, right?  No?  Yeah, maybe not.  Iowa teams under Ferentz have shown an ability to persevere and rebound from painful losses with stirring wins in the past (see: Michigan in 2003, Wisconsin in 2005, Illinois in 2007, Penn State in 2008, Michigan State last year).  But marshaling your forces for a single win is one thing; maintaining that momentum over a stretch of games is another matter entirely.  After the Michigan win in 2003 and the Illinois win in 2007, Iowa turned around and immediately lost the next week (albeit on the road both times).  The 2008 Penn State win remains the gold standard in "get your shit together and run off a bunch of wins," but even there Iowa needed a 200+ yard game from Shonn Greene and a failed Curtis Painter hail mary to avoid losing a letdown game to Purdue the following week.

It's hard to maintain that level of focus and intensity week to week to week.  Last year Iowa infamously followed up the beatdown of Sparty with a steady distintegration over the course of November.  This year's remaining November schedule is no picnic, either: they still play the other two Floyd division favorites (Michigan State and Nebraska) and have to figure out how to win on the road against a Purdue team that's been occasionally frisky.  So it's impossible to say what the future will hold, or whether this win was the precursor to good times ahead (a la Penn State in 2008) or simply a dead cat bounce that ultimately signifies nothing (a la Michigan State in 2010).  

But those are the concerns for next week and the week after that and the week after that.  For now, let's enjoy the fact that we won't be joining Indiana and Minnesota in the Queso Bowl this year (despite the pessimistic projections of, um, me) and that this was a solid, impressive win for a team that badly needed it.  A loss like last week's stinkbomb against Minnesota can do two things to a team: break their spirit and cause them to throw in the towel or dig deep and rededicate themselves.  There were a lot of people here and elsewhere who thought it would do the former, but that certainly didn't look like a team with a broken spirit yesterday.

We come not to condemn the defense, but to... praise them?  Yes, for the first time all season we can do what almost went without saying for the last few years: the Iowa defense played a good game.  Iowa held one of the best offenses in the Big Ten to 323 yards of offense and 16 points -- and many of those came in the fourth quarter.  Raise your hand if you thought Michigan would score fewer points against Iowa than Indiana or Minnesota.  Or that Denard Robinson would record fewer total yards against Iowa than Tre Roberson.  Anyone?  Anyone?  Yeah, I didn't think so.  Everyone (me included) assumed that for Iowa to win they would have to do so in a shootout, likely scoring at least 30 points.  But no: Iowa won a game that was a comparative defensive slugfest.  Hell, the much maligned 2011 defense held Michigan to far fewer yards and points than the far better 2009 and 2010 defenses.  Who thought that was possible?

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The defense's success was a function of both scheme and execution.  Norm Parker came up with a solid gameplan to limit Robinson's explosiveness and confine him to the pocket (see: the defensive line's dogged determination to maintain outside contain in this game), as well as the usual Iowa plan to limit big plays downfield.  Mission accomplished.  Denard ran for only 55 yards on 12 carries (though that figure also includes some sack yardage) and Michigan's biggest gain all day was a 22-yard Robinson run.  In addition to maintaining outside contain better than we'd seen, well, pretty much all year and covering well downfield, the Iowa defense also succeeded at something we hadn't seen from an Iowa defense in a long time: punishing the other team.  This wasn't quite "Bullies of the Big Ten" material, but the Iowa defense did a solid job of getting some good hits on the Michigan players (particularly Robinson).  

To be fair, there was also a certain element of good fortune smiling upon the Iowa defense yesterday: Michigan receivers had more than a few inexplicable drops, on the times when the downfield coverage did break down Robinson couldn't throw a deep pass to save his life yesterday (and Michigan OC Al Borges bizarrely seemed to keep calling a lot of deep passes), Robinson was strangely unwilling to tuck the ball and run on pass plays (I was terrified of him doing that after watching MarQueis Gray -- and Tre Roberson and Kain Colter and Steele Jantz and...  -- do that to Iowa last week) and a few key officiating decisions went Iowa's way.*  But there was more than luck involved in Iowa's defensive performance yesterday -- they played well and that deserves recognition.

* For the record, I thought the called-back touchdown run was the correct call (his arm was down) and the uncalled touchdown catch on second down was also the correct call (didn't look like he had complete control of the catch until he was out of bounds).  The uncalled pass interference on Lowery at the end of the game was probably the wrong call, but it was uncalled for the same reason you don't see many fouls called on shots at the end of a basketball game: unless it's an absolute mugging, officials aren't going to blow a whistle (or throw a flag).  From the objective "a foul is a foul (or "pass interference is pass interference"), no matter when it happens in a game" standpoint, was it fair?  No.  But different standards do exist and have always existed.  Sorry, Big Blue.  (And, frankly, after all the calls I've seen go Michigan's way in past Iowa games, I was more than happy to see Iowa get a break here.)

As good as the overall team defensive performance was, there were a few individual defensive performances that were particularly good.  Tyler Nielsen was an absolute force from middle linebacker -- just look at this stat line on the Man of the Match poll: 13 tackles, 2 tackles for loss, a forced fumble (and recovery), a sack, and one credited quarterback hurry (although it seemed like more than that, frankly).  He was a big part of Iowa's success at keeping Robinson contained and his pressure on the final series (via blitzing!) was vital to the win.  Broderick Binns also had a very fine game.  The stats look okay (3 tackles, 2 tackles for loss, 1 sack, 3 pass break ups), but don't really tell the entire story: he was a disruptive force for much of the day and a big part of Iowa's success at keeping contain against Michigan's speedy backfield.  Although one stat does leap off the page: three pass break ups.  From a defensive end.  For the season, Binns has six pass break ups (tied with Micah Hyde for the most on the team) and for his career he has 19 pass break ups (more than anyone else on the team; Prater has the second most with 16). Binns' go-go-gadget arms are one of his best attributes as a defender and they've enabled him to play passing lanes as well as any Iowa defensive lineman I can ever remember.

To be sure, it was hardly a perfect defensive performance for Iowa: while the tackling was improved, there were still a few too many missed tackles that led to additional yards (and first downs) for Michigan (particularly late in the game) and only an impressive goal line stand prevented them from again giving up two fourth quarter scoring drives.  Still, there was definite progress for this very beleaguered unit, which was very heartening.  Hopefully they can build upon that for the remaining games this season.  It was particularly nice to see them actually get a stop this week after giving up the game-winning score in an almost identical situation (1st and goal from the 3) at Minnesota last week.  (Atlhough it again begs the question of why Robinson never once tried to take off for the corner of the end zone like Gray last week.)

Coaching to win?  All in all, this was a pretty well-coached game from an Iowa standpoint.  As noted above, Norm put together a solid gameplan and mixed in some good blitzes.  Outside of the lone second half scoring drive, the Iowa offense didn't do much in the second half, but O'Keefe called a pretty decent game in the first half.  It was interesting that Iowa didn't seem to try many vertical passes; I'm not sure if that was a result of the windy conditions or something Michigan's defense was doing.  Iowa did have particular trouble in short yardage situations, though: Vandenberg got stuffed on a QB sneak on 4th and 1 in the first half and Coker was stuffed on a pair of 3rd and 1s in the fourth quarter; as good as Coker is and as good as that QB sneak has been in short yardage situations, it seems like we might need to come up with a few twists.  For his part, Ferentz was a bit more aggressive than we've seen from him in the past -- he went for it on 4th down twice in the first half (including on 4th and 7!) -- and he only punted once from the Michigan side of the field (4th and 6 at the Michigan 48 in the fourth quarter).  The decision to squib kick after the second touchdown was pretty terrible, though, and could have been really costly if not for Christian Kirksey's timely interception.  And Iowa once again sat on the ball (and timeouts) at the end of the first half, although given the field position (the Iowa 20), the conditions (gusty), and the time remaining (1:02), it wasn't exactly an indefensible decision.

Werewolf of Iowa City.  Remember when Marcus Coker was struggling in September?  When he looked tentative, indecisive, and slow and had a maddening propensity to put the ball on the turf?  Yeah, he doesn't quite look like that anymore.  Saturday was Coker's fourth straight day with 120+ yards and 2 TDs.  He's moved to the top of the Big Ten leaderboard for rushing yards and he's fifth in the entire nation with 1101 yards through nine games.  Right now he's on pace for just shy of 1500 yards for the regular season.  More importantly, he looks good running the ball again -- he looks like the confident, assertive runner he was at the end of last season.  He's never going to have breakaway speed (alas), but watching him punish opposing defenders is a treat in its own right.  From a big picture perspective, it would make sense to spell him a little bit more (despite being cleared to play, Mika'il McCall didn't sniff the field on Saturday), but I can also understand the coaches' reluctance to go away from Coker when he's running the ball as well as he is now.  Before the season we hoped he could be the Big Ten's best running back and, all apologies to Silas Redd and Montee Ball, right now he's running like he is the best back in the league.  

We can haz tight ends?  Two catches for ten yards and a touchdown is not exactly a ringing endorsement that the tight end position is back to what it used to be in the Iowa offense, but it's at least a positive step forward.  Interwebs fan favorite C.J. Fiedorowicz got the start yesterday, and The Polish Hat seemed to play well.  His blocking was good and his lone catch (a 9-yard grab that set up fellow tight end Brad Herman's 1-yard touchdown catch) was a great display of the incredible athletic ability that's had Iowa fans drooling over his potential for two years now.  He was also targeted a few other times; perhaps a breakout performance is coming soon.  

Tiny Alvis has left the building.  The sour note from yesterday's win was the season-ending injury suffered by Dominic Alvis in the fourth quarter.  Per Ferentz after the game, he tore his ACL, which means his season is kaput. (From a long-term perspective, it also raises the likelihood that Iowa will be fielding four new starters at defensive line next year... gulp.)  That's terrible news, both for Alvis (obviously) and for the team.  Defensive line has been a weak point all season and this team can ill afford to lose a player who had emerged as a regular contributor like Alvis.  Mike Daniels and Broderick Binns have been the rocks of the defensive line this season and the most consistent players from that unit; I'm not sure how much more we can realistically ask of them.  No, this is the time for guys like Lebron Daniel, Joe Forgy, Steve Bigach, Joe Gaglione, and Thomas Nardo to step up and make some plays for the Iowa defense.  Daniel, Forgy, and Nardo are seniors, so this is their last chance to make an impact.  Bigach and Gaglione are juniors and given the turnover and uncertainty surrounding the defensive line position, they may be essentially auditioning for starting gigs next year.  Show us what you've got, gentlemen: the next three (four?  five?) games are your moment.  (And we wish Alvis a full and speedy recovery.)

Poll
Who was Iowa's man of the match against Michigan?
Marcus Coker (29 carries, 132 yards, 2 TD)
356 votes
Marvin McNutt (9 catches, 101 yards; 1 carry, 7 yards)
27 votes
Tyler Nielsen (13 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 sack, 1 QB hurry)
349 votes
Jordan Bernstine (15 tackles, 1 kickoff return, 23 yards)
60 votes
Broderick Binns (3 tackles, 2 TFL 1 sack, 3 pass break-ups)
449 votes
Other (hit up the comments)
9 votes

1250 votes | Poll has closed

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I prefer what some Nebby fan gave him a few days ago:

the Dealer of Death.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

A Nebraska fan?

You’re sure it wasn’t “Dealer of Meth?”

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Those would be

Missouri Fans…METH CAPITAL OF THE WORLD

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

NERD.

Twitterz: @EnergizerHawk

by EnergizerHawk on Nov 7, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I do think Coker is the best RB in the B1G

But Monte Ball. 21 fucking touchdowns. Holy shit

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by Pain in the Sash on Nov 6, 2011 10:43 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, Ball's TD stats are insane.

His stats would be even better if he didn’t share carries with White.

At this point, though, I almost feel like the Wisconsin offensive line is like the Denver Broncos offensive line in the late 90s/early 00s: put just about anyone back there and they’ll go nuts. Which is to say that Ball is clearly a good RB, but he also benefits from playing behind a really, really good OL.

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by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

No doubt

That’s a lot why I think Coker truly is the best RB in the league. I’m not sold on Burkhead at all. Like you said, Ball benefits from the best line in the big ten. But I can totally see Coker getting the 1st team shaft.

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by Pain in the Sash on Nov 6, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

If they pick two 1st team RBs (I can't remember if they do or not)

Coker has a shot to be one of them, if he maintains this pace for the next few games.

If they pick just one RB, it will probably be Ball.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Of course

I wouldn’t disagree with Ball at all. But if they do pick two, I agree that Coker should get the second.

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by Pain in the Sash on Nov 6, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

They pick 2 RBs and 3 WRs

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Nov 6, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Well..here's what I'd like to know..

What are the majority of Ball’s TD runs?
 
Are they coming within 5yds of the endzone or is he breaking off runs of 10 yds or more for his TD’s?

by FlyingDutchman1 on Nov 6, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

He's breaking off enough long runs

including the first run from scrimmage yesterday for 60+ yards. It’s not like he’s a fantasy football vulture RB, he’s earning his TDs

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 7, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

It is a terrible break for Alvis

he really seemed like he was improving with each game. Best wishes go out to his quick recovery.

On a side note, does this maybe open the door for a true freshman sighting? Such as Darian Cooper, or is it too late in the season for such shenanigans?

Persona non grata.

by ninerhawk on Nov 6, 2011 10:44 AM CST reply actions  

It's an interesting question.

They really seem to want to keep him redshirted, but if a Big Ten championship (or least a berth in the title game) is on the line and they think he could make a difference… I dunno if that redshirt stays on then.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think they'd keep him out for any reason this year if he was ready

They’ve played a ton of true freshmen this year in all phases of the game, not sure why they would hold back on a guy like Cooper other than he wasn’t ready for B10-level of play. Which is entirely possible in a man’s position like DT.

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, that's the thing and the reason why true freshmen tend not to play on OL or DL.

I think he’s probably borderline on being B10-ready.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I read somewhere we were after a couple JC d-linemen.

From California I think.

It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.

by FiveSecondRuleChef on Nov 6, 2011 11:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I have seen film of these two. From the College of the Desert

my understanding is only one is former marine and he is a beast!

by nwyms Trebek! on Nov 6, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

That's very cool.

Of course, while I’m glad to know about this, I’m also slightly miffed. Now that Harty has written an article about it, I’m sure it’s only a matter of time until Oregon, the B10, and all the other schools that watch Iowa recruiting come calling.

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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Another issue with Cooper

is that he is almost solely a DT, rather than a DE. Not sure that putting him in really does much to help with the shortage at DE.

Really too bad for Alvis. He’s shown flashes this season, but also areas that need improvement. I thought he’d be one of those guys who would really benefit from the winter/spring workouts and use the experience this year to springboard to a very good year next year. Unfortunately, he’ll now be out at least until the summer. Best of luck to him on his recovery.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll repeat what I said in the 3rd quarter

Binns get this one from me, the pass break-ups is what our defense has been needing as we haven’t re-learned how to intercept passes or keep 5-15 yard passes from getting caught and running us out of our leads. Binns was playing like he wanted the W and I think he got it.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:47 AM CST reply actions  

Also, about the play calling for penalties

someone else posted this in the late-night thread, but I thought it would be good to repost this in here. http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Mike-Pereira-Replay-does-job-in-Michigan-Iowa-game-110511

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Interesting stuff.

I still wouldn’t have been surprised to see the 4th down play called P.I., especially at some other point in the game.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes

but then we’re going to get to the point where we’re talking about how there should’ve been holding, should’ve been other PI, etc. I don’t think it would’ve mattered because there wasn’t distinct notion that either player hadn’t interfered with the other throughout that entire play, I really need to re-watch it, but I feel like there was enough pushing/shoving on either side of the ball to be equally opposite (meaning it was equally both players doing the interference)

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't really think it would've mattered

because if you look for a flag, you look like a fool, especially at the last play of the game when you still have to try to get a 2-pt conversion for OT.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

If looking for a flag makes you a fool

What does looking for a flag to be picked up make Shaun Prater?

by Luke Recker No-Look Pass on Nov 6, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

It makes Prater amazing...

It was almost as if Hyde and Prater had choreographed their charades beforehand…Hyde stands over the flag pointing down at it, while Prater calls for boos from the crowd. This was the most amazing after play social interaction since Babineaux headbutting Roth to the ground.

by TangerinePony on Nov 7, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with the no-call at the end.

But I would’ve agreed had they called the PI too. But yeah, Michigan fans have nothing to bitch about as far as officiating goes. Not a single holding penalty was called on Michigan yesterday. Not a one. And they held. A lot. I saw Iowa doing it too with no calls, but come on.


"Pursue happiness... with diligence."

by Bucketochicken on Nov 6, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

And Yet
Denard was not the reason Michigan lost today. The defense and the officials were. Those officials were putrid.

No matter what is said, they will always find a way to complain, it’s Michigan, what do you expect?

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

That reaction is exactly what I expect. And really, what I’d expect from most any/all fanbases in the immediate aftermath of a game like that.


"Pursue happiness... with diligence."

by Bucketochicken on Nov 6, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Reminds me

of the Insight Bowl…btw, MU going to the SEC is great because they’re going from shitty in the B12 to really shitty in the SEC…can’t wait (too many friends in MU country means facebook is going to suck today)

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't see that working out well for them at all.

The rest of the SEC will love it though.


"Pursue happiness... with diligence."

by Bucketochicken on Nov 6, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

In the EAST too

they are almost more west than any other team in the SEC. Also, I still have friends upset about the insight bowl call, it’s FANTASTIC.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

oh, I did

they didn’t care, they were upset that the review took so long, plus it’s MU people, I’m just happy that it’s unlikely for them to make a bowl this year after being ranked in the top 25 at the start of the season.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought Mizzou was going to be in the West

and Auburn was switching over to the East, while maintaining the Iron Bowl at the end of the season

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

they’re going east…at least that’s what I’ve read so far.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow

I actually hope that happens so that my SEC-fan friends will have to shut up when mocking the B1G divisions.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

It's good for them

as the East Division is notably the easier of the divisions, it’ll be just like their position in the Big 12, the top of the shittier division, but they still have difficult teams to play because of the conference that they’re in.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

That has been true the last two years, but not always.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Nov 6, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

A few years ago, the East was far and away the tougher division and the West was kind of LOLtastic in its crappiness.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

We'll see

MU is still 2 games away from bowl eligibility this year, I don’t see them in a bowl game for a long time…thank god

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

The SEC's divisions have been the most cyclical of any league over the last two decades

which is precisely why I wanted and even E/W geographical split for the B1G using the Illinois/Indiana border as the boundary. I guess I’m not that smart, though.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Would that have been an even split

I thought that would’ve given East 7 and West 5…

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

NE, IA, MN, WI, IL, NW

IU, PU, MSU, UM, OSU, PSU.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

works

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I know what you mean about the cyclical stuff.

And I have as much faith in KF as anybody. But that East division would be stacked, yo.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Over the last 10 years

they’d be awfully close. Hence, cyclical.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Last 10 years

Only includes about 6 Nebraska games. That’s the biggest hang up I have.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah

I stand corrected…Oh wait, it was N/S that would’ve had the wrong split or weird crap.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

The N/S thing blew my mind.

It was based on a range of roughly 150 miles, save Minnesota. The B1G is a horizontal conference.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh if it was only this. So much easier.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

The irony of the SEC split is

that, historically, it is almost perfectly balanced as far as records go. The cross-division rivalries reflect that

Alabama and Tennessee have the most conference titles
Auburn and Georgia have the second most
LSU and Florida are next

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 7, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Also

the B1G divisions make complete sense

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

This is completely untrue

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

IDK

the Legends are the people who like Snow, the Leaders are the people who hate snow…makes sense to me.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

It's true

DJK is a Legend as far as I’m concerned.

/Ihadtodoit

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Nov 6, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I only have a small issue with the divisions.

Switch UW with jNW, make rivalries UI-jNW, UW-IU and UM-Purdue. Unfortunately, the match up with Purdon’t always sucks. They have no rivalries outside of Indy and ND (I think they occasionly infuriate tOSU).

Then we the Northern Arc and the Chicago Railroad.

Bethany: Were they sent to Hell?
Metatron: Worse. Wisconsin. For the entire span of human history.

by kurthy on Nov 6, 2011 10:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Mostly because they'll finally have access to

the fertile recruiting grounds of Cape Girardeau, MO.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

If you are talking about recruiting cannon fodder

for a charge up Chickamauga, then we are in total agreement.

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions  

There is NOTHING

in Cape Girardeau, MO. Don’t let the media tell you differently, You might as well be in Arkansas/Tennessee/Kentucky/The Middle of Nowhere.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

No, not really.

does it have to do with vampires?

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Umm, hellbenders

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Twilight

…did I use sarcasm properly here?

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know anything about that series other than

they keep adding new monster-teens. Is there a dreamy swamp creature in the newest installment?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

A mummy with 30 cheerleader concubines

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

/inappropriate mujahadeen joke

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Just as long as none of them are burqa-faces

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, that chick was so nasty

I had to do 3 ablutions

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

She was definitely not halal

if you know what I mean

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Your lamb shank would say otherwise.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Not everything that haraams you

will kill you

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you face East with that mouth?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

My "pretend girlfriend"

doesn’t mind when I make my nightly hajj to her kaaba

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Nightly?

Must be a new “pretend” romance.

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 6, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

The vegetation around her

“desert oasis” is still denuded, so I would say yes.

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just happy that their movie

release schedule was axed. they were supposed to release 6 movies in 2 years, it got changed to 4 in 3 years. Other than The Bieb, this it the thing I hate most about teen girls in our society.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

That

and all the squealing.

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

when did 10 year-olds need iPhones…that’s just freaking wrong.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I just joined twitter

I hate it.

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

It's great

if you follow Jacobi, Jebus, etc. It’s also nice for keeping up with businesses that offer deals or secret incentives, it’s horrible if you take it seriously.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

It is mostly so that I can talk

war history and country with Rambler

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Sort of,

the swamp creature is really just Old Man Stevens trying to scare off the tourists so he can buy the land cheap. And he would have gotten away with it if not for those meddling kids.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 7, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I am

but I need a sign…

/sheldon cooper’d

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Same with A&M

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously?

Denard looked like crap yesterday.

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by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

This is coming from an Eagles Fan

but still, you blame your defense and the officials for the loss, sounds like something we did last week, but still, you can’t say that a QB who FUMBLED the ball like 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage doing something stupid “not the reason Michigan lost”

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Not to mention

He completed that jump ball 10 yards over the middle of the field with Miller implanted in his chest. That really should have been a pick or at least a bat down. He got incredibly lucky a couple times.

Still don’t understand the play calling on 4th down. Giving him the option to run outside with our blitz coming up the middle for the 3rd straight down seemed to make sense to me.

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by The Bacon Explosion on Nov 6, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought he was horrible.

Being there, and admittedly not close to the action, he had a very hard time throwing a pass his receivers could catch. He wasnt in the same area code on his deep passes and all crossing routes were low or behind. And for all the time we gave him to make us look bad he didnt use it. Looked scared. Im pretty sure any other big ten qb wouldve beaten us.

by The KF Karate Chop on Nov 6, 2011 2:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah.

Anything beyond 20 yards or 25 yards, is not Nard-dog’s strong suit.

It is amazing that he didn’t run up the middle too much. After 5 minutes in the third quarter (if Nard wasn’t hurt yet), I think I would run a lot of QB draws up the middle.

And while, we got way more calls at Kinnick compared to the other Michigan games I’ve seen there, I think this win is more a responsibility of the Iowa defense than it is the fault of the referees.

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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally agree.

I really thought Denard would run more.. both designed runs and when the pocket broke down. We definitely made it hard though. coverage was excellent.

by The KF Karate Chop on Nov 6, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

He did look like crap

but so did Blue’s WRs with all their drops.

And is it just me, or does it seem like Junior Hemingway has been at Michigan forever? I’d swear he was a Gary Moeller recruit.

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by codenameduchess on Nov 6, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

i usually don't like complaining about the officiating, it's a part of the game, it is what it is

but them complaining is just not right when you look at the whole picture. we got one slight favor at the end of the game. there were a slew of terrible calls throughout the game that went in Michigan’s favor.

the refs lost track of what down it was while michigan was driving in the first quarter, effectively giving them a free timeout, the official threw a pi flag on the wrong receiver, which was thankfully called back, we got nailed on a questionable offsides that kept a Michigan drive alive in the third, and they got away with a pretty blatant chest bump on a fair catch that should have been interference. I can remember very few calls during the game that went our way unti lthe very end.

by sailorjerry on Nov 6, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I was in row 7, section 102

Which put me directly in front of the fantom TD at the end of the game. The Michigan receiver held onto Hyde’s jersey and then pushed off. Hyde immediately complained to the back judge. The ref in the corner tapped the ground on the same spot where he came down, saying he was bobbling the ball. The ref got it half right.

Should have been offensive pass interference. Way more aggregious foul then the 4th down play. Quite a few Wolverine fans walking out in our section. Pissing and moaning the entire way out of Kinnick. What a bunch of whiners. Perfect justice.

by Vandy's Mom Digs Me on Nov 6, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I noticed that too

But they wouldn’t show the earlier part of the play on replay and I haven’t gone back to watch it on my DVR, but I was thinking where is the OPI call on that.

A man may leave Iowa, but Iowa never leaves a man.

by hawkeyeinstl on Nov 6, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Hyde was UPSET at what transpired before the ball arrived. He doesn’t do that for just anything. Fuck Michigan. Game over

by txhawkeye on Nov 6, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I remember yelling at it during the live thread

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 7, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

The only thing I bother to worry about is

would the call have been the same if the teams were reversed? Would Michigan have gotten called for PI on that last play? Fuck no.
Game. Blouses.
/pancakes

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 6, 2011 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

No way in hell they would have been called either.

And we’d be pissed.
 
Hey, that’s sports.


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by Bucketochicken on Nov 7, 2011 5:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay, I just re-watched this play 6 times

Here is my conclusion. This was definitely not a pass interference call for the reasons below:
1) Lowery was in the same position at the start of the play that he was when the Michigan player ran into him. This alone doesn’t make it non-PI, but it’s important
2) The Michigan player ran into Lowery who had already extended his arm as if he had seen the ball coming.
3) Lowery is leading the Michigan player with the cross, which tells me that he read the pass, he was also looking at Shoelace the entire time after the Michigan player made contact.
If anything, this should be PI on Michigan, but that is just me watching this play over and over, There was definitely not the 0.5 inches of space for Jesus, it was just good pass blocking.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I do like Hoke

His expression at the end was excellent. It was a combination of, “That should have been a call,” and “we shouldn’t even be IN this position.”

A man may leave Iowa, but Iowa never leaves a man.

by hawkeyeinstl on Nov 6, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

And if they are as good as many people thought,

they shouldn’t have been.

Now, it’s pretty obvious that their defense is still quite suspect.

And their offense “had a bad day.”

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh fuck you for this, Chazz.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Nov 6, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

That was the song

that I was thinking of after I hit “post.”

Sorry, dude.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

In fairness, he didn't bring it up- he was asked if he thought it was PI

and he said something to the effect of “well you know coaches. When we’re on offense, we think all of them should be called PI.”
He seems classy. Hopefully that’s true when his teams are dominating as well as when they have a tough loss. We don’t need any more douche-nozzle coaches in the B1G.

BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!

by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Nov 6, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

this.

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

So I just checked

Vandy: 2nd most passing yards and TDs. 3rd fewest INT, 3rd in completion %. Coker: Most yards, 2nd TDs. McNutt: 2nd Yards, most TDs.
So. If our defense had been at this point all season, would we have any losses?

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by Pain in the Sash on Nov 6, 2011 10:55 AM CST reply actions  

Eh, as good as the offense has been most of the year, it didn't show up in Happy Valley.

So that would probably stay a loss.

Defense like this probably would have meant wins over ISU and Minny, though.

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by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah.

That Penn St game was an all around loss. Forgot about that.
And to Dr. Hawk. You’re right. I don’t get to watch many games so I forget to read past the scores. But I love our offensive production this year. I am excited at the fact that we have maybe 4 or 5 1st and second teamers on this offense.

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by Pain in the Sash on Nov 6, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I love our offense -- at home.

It needs to show up on the road, though. We’ve struggled to do that so far this year.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

And given the next two road games...

That doesn’t bode well for our title game chances

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by Pain in the Sash on Nov 6, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Hopefully they surprise us and figure out how to play well on the road.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Vandenburg has GOT to get a win on the road. I’m not saying he’s the sole reason his away record as the starter is 0-4, but this is getting to be a thing.

by txhawkeye on Nov 6, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

It's weird, considering Ohio State in 2009

Granted, 2009 was a different team, but how more hostile can a road game be than that? De facto Big Ten title came? At Ohio State? You haven’t started a single game your entire career?
 
And he almost wins it. If he can stay cool in that situation, I don’t get why he can’t manage the OVERWHELMING ADVANTAGE of the Bank.

A man may leave Iowa, but Iowa never leaves a man.

by hawkeyeinstl on Nov 6, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

To be fair

he was a little overwhelmed in that game and made several mistakes, nearly several more. Granted, he also displayed that he’s got a tremendous amount of ability and can make serious plays in big spots.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Nov 6, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Vandy is slightly over-rated right now.

But, I’m not asking for anyone else to be the starter.

I’m not sure we’d see a huuuuuge drop-off if Wienke had to take over in case of an injury. Maybe he’s a little less mobile, but I’m not sure Vandy has used his mobility that much this year.

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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Vandy's mobility is not the issue

He sometimes gets happy feet in the pocket, maybe that’s what you mean, but I think he’s done a good job running when the opportunity presents itself as his positive rushing yards shows.

JVB has real issues with seeing the blitz and being comfortable with pressure in the pocket—so do most QBs. But let’s be clear, the kid is blessed with a legit NFL starting calibre arm. That’s what all the hype is about, and people are justified in that hype.

As far as whether he is over-rated, I’m not sure what that means. Reasonable expectations for him coming into the season put his passing efficiency at 135-140, right now he is at 154, within spitting distance of the all time record for an Iowa QB (157). Hard to say he’s over-rated with those numbers.

My sense is that people think he’s very good, not great. My sense is that people expect him to be 2nd team all big ten this year and eventually get drafted after next. I don’t think any of those judgments are over-rating him.

But maybe I’m wrong and there are a substantial number of people who expect him to be a first round draft pick?

I just wanna see Kirk Ferentz cry.

by nattybumpo on Nov 6, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I think people (maybe including some coaches)

expect him to win some games based on that arm.

I still think we’re a run-first team (yes, I know that seems crazy with the WR talent we have).

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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

You've forgotten about the Pitt game already?

He was a reason we won the jNW and Indiana games, too, although not the sole reason, obviously.

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by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Never doubt the deerslayer, Chazz

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Has anyone else noticed

that Vandy can actually freaking run the ball????

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I have...wait...who is Vandy?

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions  

It's his cute name

much like Ricky for Rick Stanzi…I’m 99% sure the first time he was called Ricky he didn’t know they were referring to him.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I see

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

he gave us a genuine feet first slide this week. That’s a nice development.

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by Flakbait on Nov 6, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

THIS.

Gaudy stats at home, easily stopped (up to this point) on the road.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

AND, if some of the young talent steps up on the o-line, we could be just as good if not a bit better in 2012 :)

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by Dr. Hawk on Nov 6, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

We need to get a third receiver next year.

But I love love love this cycle of a young gun learning under a superstar and then becoming a superstar himself.

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by Pain in the Sash on Nov 6, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I think with Soup there,

and between Grant, Hillyer, our resident used Oldsmobile-Buick salesman, et al, we’ll be fine.


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by Bucketochicken on Nov 6, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm thinking KMM remains in the slot next year

And one of those guys takes over the edge/#2 WR spot behind Davis.

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Where has Shumpert been?

They didn’t redshirt him last year so he could play special teams, but outside of ST again this year, he’s hardly seen the field. Seemed like there was a bit of buzz about him coming in last year, it would be nice to see something from him.

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by Brock8144 on Nov 6, 2011 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

You're correct

I asked Morehouse about Shumpert specifically, and he mentioned the same thing you mentioned. Still don’t quite understand why, if we go 4-wide, Jason White is out there but Shumpert is.

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by HoyaGoon on Nov 7, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

He was on the field a few times last week.

But it’s pretty clear that the depth chart beyond McNutt, Davis, and KMM at WR is a bit of a crapshoot. It may be determined by who looked best catching balls in warm ups that morning.

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by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

who looked best catching balls in warm ups that morning

That is what my fictional girlfriend said

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to see Jordan Cotton finally make the jump.

He looked capable, but not nearly as good an option as KDavis (who is legit).

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 6, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Ehh...

The offense could have performed better against Minnesota. Sure, yesterday’s defense would have helped against the Gophers, but the offense was moving the ball…and coming away with nothing. Missed field goals aside, more success in the first half likely would have broken Minnesota’s spirits and would obviously provided a cushion for the defense.

by blkngld12 on Nov 6, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, obviously.

I’ve said many times that the offense should have been much better against Minnesota and we would have won anyway, defense be damned.

My point was that if the defense had played last week like they did yesterday, we would have won anyway, even with the offensive shortcomings. Which I think is probably true.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Had it in the 3rd quarter too

Fortunately, he got the dosage right in the 4th.

Do think we need to come up with another option for 3rd/4th and very short: COKER SMASH; and 3rd/4th extremely short: VDB SNEAK

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by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

We need to learn to love the play-action boot again.

And have McNutt kind of walk into his non-pattern — then fly.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 6, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope.

But this is a different defense. We blitz more yesterday than we have blitzed this century. Will we keep it?

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 6, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I want to believe

But I wanted to believe we’d run more no-huddle, too.

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by nerdhawk on Nov 6, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

No-huddle didnt really work out

against better teams than Louisiana monroe… though there certainly is the argument it wasn’t really used very well.

by The KF Karate Chop on Nov 6, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

We only really tried the no-huddle against PSU after ULM

Right?

I don’t think you can read too much from our struggles against the PSU defense.

I just wanna see Kirk Ferentz cry.

by nattybumpo on Nov 6, 2011 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I love the inadvertent burn on Pitt there.
didnt really work out against better teams than Louisiana monroe

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 6, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

How is that inadvertent?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 7, 2011 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

We can run an effective offense (I think) without the no-huddle.

I’m not sure we can run an effective defense without heavy blitzing. (In fact, the propensity of evidence this year would suggest that we really can’t.)

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by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

A noticable difference I saw in yesterday's game

was the energy our team – and especially our defense – played with. This is kind of a chicken or the egg sort of thing, but it seemed like more energy led to bigger stops and perhaps vice versa. We were flat flat flat against Minnesota. Glad I got to see it in person. Also, unlike with our d-line, I feel confident we have a solid secondary for years to come with Mr. Seasoning Salt and hopefully I AM THE LAW (has looked great on special teams) stepping in next year.

What a difference a week makes. I’m glad to see that the coaching and players stepped up, and I once again feel there is a possibility we could win out. Lots of work to do, though. LOL UN-L!!!

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by Dr. Hawk on Nov 6, 2011 10:59 AM CST reply actions  

THIS.

When I was watching the first few offensive series, I wanted to see fire and excitement. I wanted to see that they wanted to be there, and wanted to win. The linemen alone were sprinting to the line to get set. Our skill players were jumping up and down. Seeing Ferentz’s kid go nuts on the sideline was great. We need that. Last but not least seeing Kirk be more aggressive was great. I have no problem with seeing them go for it on that side of the field. The end of first half call was fine with me. Conditions were def. not great.

by KirksGumInHaydensStas on Nov 6, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, how come nobody is talking

about that. He was pissed about the bullshit false start he was called for when the noseguard jumped into the neutral zone and made contact with him. Just how in the fuck did the officials fuck that one up?

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by Dip-Shit on Nov 6, 2011 12:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

and promptly got punched twice on the shoulder

ya know, 2 for flinching.

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by The Bacon Explosion on Nov 6, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Tough on replay it looks as if UM guy moves forward....

….into the NZ, then JF flinches. For that matter, it looks to me as if the UM guy was leaning INTO the NZ, and could’ve been called offsides simply for that.

I’m not convinced that JF made the first move. Something tells me that if JF had simply snapped the ball instead of flinching, we get the offsides penalty.

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by The Director on Nov 6, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

This

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it was probably the right call

Part of me wonders if he was so pissed off because he thought it was the wrong call, or because he knew he did it?

by Luke Recker No-Look Pass on Nov 6, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he was probably having some sort of weird flinch before the snap

but that’s just me seeing an arm flinch and that’s what I think really happened.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

He was pissed at someone else

Im guessing defense was yelling cadence and he flinched. Illegal, but everyone does it on so “and inches” plays.

Greenway got flagged for it in that nightmare Outback Bowl.

by indyhawk on Nov 7, 2011 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

This x100

I was hoping, before the Minnesota game, that we’d come out fired up to win back Floyd. Sadly we didn’t. Against Michigan, it was apparent from the word go. I think it faded a bit at the start of the second half, but the team pulled together again.

Now I hope we can stay fired up for our remaining games.

by blkngld12 on Nov 6, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree.

I think people are noticing what they want to see based on results. When good things happened last week, the Iowa players looked plenty excited. They came out fine on offense and defense — they just couldn’t finish off drives on offense, which did start to wear on them.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

This

I don’t think Iowa’s fire was especially lacking against Minnesota. You only have to go as far back as last year’s Minnesota game to see an Iowa team play truly flat; seeing that game replayed still makes everything look a little grayer.

I can ride my bike with no handlebars...

by hkobb7 on Nov 6, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree.

Iowa appeared to be at a Thursday practice. I was on the vistor’s side, 50 yard line.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 6, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I was at the game too, thanks.

I didn’t think they started out the game particularly flat.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Against Minnesota in 2010?

I’m not sure if we watched the same game, then.

I can ride my bike with no handlebars...

by hkobb7 on Nov 6, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I meant the 2011 game.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, I wasn't clear at all

I meant Minnesota 2011 was not nearly as flat as Minnesota 2010, which was just fucking depressing in all facets of the game.

I can ride my bike with no handlebars...

by hkobb7 on Nov 6, 2011 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure how you pick one player of the game for this one

Binns and Nielsen made so many critical plays, Coker is continuing to be a force and McNutt, after a few inexplicable drops, snagged dart after dart from VDB in the third and fourth quarters that seemed too hard or too off the mark to catch. On so many of the long passes down the stretch, we had the receivers blanketed. I dislike the cliche, but this was as much a team victory as we have had.

FOUR. THREE. COVER. TWO.

by Mr. Grizz on Nov 6, 2011 10:59 AM CST reply actions  

Huge props to the DL for an amazing job holding contain yesterday

There were a couple times where it looked maddening with Denard getting literally 7 seconds or more to throw the ball, but it was very effective in limiting his most dangerous aspect of his game: running when the pocket breaks down. And props to the coaching staff for sticking with it, even after they scored their first TD on a play like that.

So this “speedy” version of an Iowa defense seems to finally be starting to do what it was built to do: contain the spread option. Sounds like a great harbinger for the Nebby game, but it scares me for the MSU game next week.

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 11:09 AM CST reply actions  

Exactly

It may not be great for Cousins, but this style of defense is exactly what we’ll need against Martinez

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by chitownhawkeye on Nov 6, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

generally speaking I really liked the offensive play-calling yesterday a lot

Most of the issues seemed to be stuff like drops, Coker missing a hole, or other stuff that is hard to pin on the coaching. I would love to see a little more variety on those 3rd and shorts at the end of the game though (I’m fine with the sneak on 4th and short, Vandy had been money on that all year before that one). Everyone in the stadium knew that the ball was going to Coker, so why not try a play fake and a bootleg like they did at the end of the Northwestern game? Vandy’s not the quickest dude in the world, but I think he can get the corner when the opposing team is so focused on Coker.

Also the interior of our offensive line is a disaster. Brandon Scherff better be a hell of a lot better at tackle than he is at guard if he’s going to be the LT of the future like everyone keeps saying. Mike Martin is really good and would give anyone fits, but there were plays where or Van Bergen were just completely unblocked.

by NorseHawk on Nov 6, 2011 11:31 AM CST reply actions  

I'll understand wanting a different play than Coker up the gut for that last 3rd-and-1

But I can’t agree with putting it in Vandy’s hands on a bootleg. I don’t have much faith at all in his ability to run, and zero faith in his ability to avoid injury when running. He always goes down awkwardly or throws himself on the ground shoulder-first when running, to the point that it’s almost comical to watch.

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he runs pretty well

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

He does, especially given that he's not really a dual-threat QB.

But the thing is, he does the weirdest things at the end of runs (although less now than at the beginning of the year, when he would run right at defenders and then slide a half-second too late, sacrificing a yard or two and getting pummeled), like sliding awkwardly, taking a hit instead of sidling out of bounds, etc. I think he’s dramatically improved, and I trust him on the boot a lot more than I did Stanzi. Thing is, what will he do when he turns around to start a bootleg, and a giant enchanted potato is there to greet him? Will he freeze and have his ankle Wooten-ized, or will he counter the defensive black magic?

I can ride my bike with no handlebars...

by hkobb7 on Nov 6, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

so do I.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 6, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, he’s not the most conventional looking dude running the ball, kind of stiff and awkward, but he’s surprisingly competent.

by txhawkeye on Nov 6, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

The key is:

He knows when to run. He’ll take a sack. When he runs, it’s appropriate.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 6, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Just re-watched the QB sneak

Coker should’ve had the first anyway. Shouldn’t have come down to a sneak.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

And by should've

I mean that from the camera view, he had the first, the officials just didn’t see it properly.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

yep

I thought some of the spots were horrible. There was at least 1 first for each team that was mis-spotted as a 3rd-and-short.

A man may leave Iowa, but Iowa never leaves a man.

by hawkeyeinstl on Nov 6, 2011 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, for one

Before I got shitfaced off of saki bombs, I offered to buy Broderick Binns a drink at the bar while my group was waiting for our table at Three Samurai (he declined, but was very gracious—good kid).

by Captain n Diet Coker on Nov 6, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

NO NCAA VIOLATIONS!


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by Bucketochicken on Nov 6, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

NCAA violations are crazy.

What if she just liked the tall black dude with arms that are 8 feet long?

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:09 PM CST up reply actions  

They have to have all their shirts

specially tailored

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by chitownhawkeye on Nov 6, 2011 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

And they give awkward reach-arounds

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

They're sometimes not awkward?

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Not when I do them...or yes, possibly always.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

especially for the portly gay gentleman

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah right

he is a power top

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

About that

Binns is sooo not his listed 6’2". It’d be a stretch to say he was 6’0". I’m 5’9" and he was barely taller than me. My husband and my friend’s husband were there too and they are 6’6" and 6’5" respectively and absolutely towered over him. His arms are ridiculously long though.

by Captain n Diet Coker on Nov 7, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

A Michigan Fan's perspective on the calls of the last drive

On the called back TD run, Smith was clearly down, as his elbow was obviously on the ground. That the refs didn’t see this is a testament to the job they did all game, seeing as they, among other things, decided to make offensive holding legal.

I thought that the 2nd down pass was a catch. However, I do agree that it was very close and can understand why the ref ruled the way he did. And I also don’t think that the replay official should have overturned the ruling on the field on that close a play. So while I wish that it went the other way, I didn’t get mad about it.

The 4th down PI, on the other hand, was an absolute mugging. The defender was draped all over the receiver, restricting his ability to get in position to catch the ball, as well as his ability to move his left arm. I can understand that the ref didn’t want a penalty on the last play (no ref does), but it was a clear penalty and should have been called, especially considering that there was a questionable call on the second down pass. That said, even if the PI is called, there is still only about a 1-in-8 chance that Michigan wins the game, as it’s about a 50/50 chance that Michigan could score on the untimed down, then a 50/50 of making the 2-pt conversion, and finally a 50/50 chance of winning in OT. But we still should have had that chance.

by Seth9 on Nov 6, 2011 11:47 AM CST reply actions  

especially considering that there was a questionable call on the second down pass

You’re saying that you expected a make-up call for a call that was confirmed by replay?

by rupertj on Nov 6, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

It wasn't confirmed

it was allowed to stand.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

No

I expect the refs to do their jobs and make the correct call during a critical series, especially when there was already a very close call on a play in the endzone during said critical series.

by Seth9 on Nov 6, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I think several here have said

that the final play could have been called pass interference. Over the past two or three years I have seen a lot of slant pass calls with a lot of contact, and it seems sometimes PI is called, sometimes not, and I know we have at different times been beneficiary and victim. The only way I can rationalize these is that the refs make a judgement call on the degree that contact on the back or with the back arm actually affects the receiver. Getting the arm in front, facing the ball, on that short route is fair game. On a different, deeper route I believe there might have more likely been a PI call. In any event, appreciate your coming in with your “two cents”.

FOUR. THREE. COVER. TWO.

by Mr. Grizz on Nov 6, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

EXACTLY.

No ones denies that there was contact, but the degree of contact seems to be mattering more nowadays. Some people over the years just expect a PI call for a hand on the back, but in college FB I see more contact being allowed without being called.

Personally, that’s a trend I support. A few years back there seemed to be endless PI’s being called for the littlest things, to the point where I wondered if it wasn’t starting to ruin the game, especially for the defenses. Even when we benefited from some of those calls, it would make me cringe a bit to see a PI penalty, when the WR had every chance in the world to catch the pass.

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by The Director on Nov 6, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with this stance

I do not think that PI should be called for minimal contact. It leads to too many penalty calls and, more importantly, inconsistent penalty calls (a small degree of contact is more likely to be missed by the ref, so the ref is more likely to miss calls that he would make if he saw what happened). However, this was pretty much textbook PI. The defender is holding onto the receiver with both hands, interfering with one of the receivers arms, and is clearly not attempting to make a play on the ball.

by Seth9 on Nov 7, 2011 2:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

And I agree with the no-call, given the situation and the relative non-flagrance of it all.
 
But come on, the no-call on the last play of the game has absolutely zero to do with why Michigan lost. Iowa played well and made Michigan one-dimensional on offense, and for the most part, Michigan had no answers for Iowa’s offense. Iowa also had no turnovers. The one-handed catch in the back of the endzone was the correct call. That too, had zero bearing on why Michigan lost. Just like the zero times Michigan got called for holding (when they easily could’ve been flagged numerous times) had zero bearing on why Iowa won.

Iowa won, Michigan lost; the refs were also there.


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by Bucketochicken on Nov 7, 2011 5:59 AM CST up reply actions  

As I stated above

If the PI is called, then I give Michigan a 12.5% chance on winning the game. That does not mean the refs cost Michigan the game, seeing as Michigan still probably would have lost if the PI was not called. The reason for this, obviously, is that Iowa had outplayed Michigan up to that point, as Iowa had played a strong defensive game and Michigan had failed to pass the ball with any accuracy or develop a consistent running attack (and inexplicably kept throwing the ball deep…sigh). Iowa outcoached us and outperformed us. As such, the call is not meaningless, but it certainly isn’t a situation where the refs/MSU timekeeper actually cost us the game.

by Seth9 on Nov 7, 2011 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Tough shit.

Now you’re experiencing what the rest of the B10 gets when they play you guys.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Can we get a BJ Lowery

Deal With It photoshop for these people?

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by HawKCP on Nov 6, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

pass was incomplete

He did not have clear possession as he was falling down-you could see the ball move several times. The ball hit the ground as he went down. I thought the last play was close and could have been called either way. Our perspective is colored by who we wanted to win…………

by docted on Nov 6, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

see above

plenty of calls went michigans way all game

by sailorjerry on Nov 6, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

*

but them complaining is just not right when you look at the whole picture. we got one slight favor at the end of the game. there were a slew of terrible calls throughout the game that went in Michigan’s favor.

the refs lost track of what down it was while michigan was driving in the first quarter, effectively giving them a free timeout, the official threw a pi flag on the wrong receiver, which was thankfully called back, we got nailed on a questionable offsides that kept a Michigan drive alive in the third, and they got away with a pretty blatant chest bump on a fair catch that should have been interference. I can remember very few calls during the game that went our way unti lthe very end.

by sailorjerry on Nov 6, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Situation matters

First of all, your forgetting another questionable call where Michigan didn’t get called for running into the punter.

Second of all, there were a slew of questionable calls that went against Michigan earlier in the game as well, such as a couple very questionable no-calls on earlier Pass Interferences penalties (not including the one waved off). The refs were simply horrible.

However, bad calls in high leverage situations have a much greater effect on the game than bad calls in low leverage situations. An offsides call in the third quarter that changes a 3rd and 7 on the Michigan 27 to a 3rd and 2 on the Michigan 32 does not substantially affect the chances for either team to win the game.* A pass interference penalty right by the goal line when one team is trying to tie up the game as time expires does have a much greater impact.

*I don’t remember the play (I looked up the penalty in the game log) so I don’t know if the call was bad or not. I’m just using it to illustrate my point.

by Seth9 on Nov 6, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Chicken and egg

bad calls in high leverage situations have a much greater effect on the game than bad calls in low leverage situations.

and bad calls in low leverage situations can create those very high leverage situations later in the game.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Kind of

Bad calls in low leverage situations can, but do not necessarily do, contribute to very high leverage situations later in the game. For instance, if a team is down two scores with 6 minutes to go and a bad PI call keeps a drive alive that ultimately leads to a score, then it contributed to the creation of a high leverage situation. However, if the team winds up not scoring on the drive, then the bad call is ultimately meaningless. A plethora of bad calls that only aid one team, particularly when the calls are clustered together, can create a high leverage situation. However, the only time an individual bad call creates a high leverage situation is in a medium leverage situation, with the exception of a spot foul.

by Seth9 on Nov 7, 2011 3:06 AM CST up reply actions  

*Or other similarly huge plays

Ex. A missed defensive penalty on an interception, an incorrect ruling on a fumble, a missed penalty on a deep pass, etc. Of course, these are high leverage plays. The point I’m trying to make is that a bad call on a play of lessor importance does not impact the game as much as a bad call on a play of greater importance.

by Seth9 on Nov 7, 2011 3:22 AM CST up reply actions  

"however, if the team winds up not scoring on the drive"

it’s their own damn fault, isn’t it? come on, the officials don’t control every thing and you look ridiculous for trying to hang on to this.

by sailorjerry on Nov 7, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

That was a hypothetical situation that I was using to illustrate a point

I am attempting to make a general argument as to why bad calls in high leverage situations (or on high leverage plays) have a bigger impact than bad calls in low leverage situations. This is part of a larger argument I’m making, which is that a) the non-call on 4th down was the incorrect call and b) that the non-call was important in the grand scheme of things because bad calls in high leverage situations do have a bigger impact than bad calls in low leverage situations. My interest in the larger argument (that Michigan was denied a small, but unbelievably unlikely, opportunity to win the game, comes from my being a Michigan fan. However, as a fan of football in general, I am also interested in discussing how the game should be officiated and how calls can affect the outcome of a game. And I am discussing it with the fans of the team that beat me in the hopes of generating opposition to my views because a lot of Michigan fans have the knee jerk reaction that the refs cost us the game, which they did not.

Thus far, I have read and responded to a number of arguments that conflict with my own and address the substance of my arguments in a meaningful way. However, seeing as the recent responses to my posts have either assumed that I’m blaming the refs for Michigan losing (I’m not) or have openly dismissed my arguments on the basis that I rooted for the losing team without addressing the substance of them at all. As such, I will thank those who indulged a rival fan and cease posting on this thread.

by Seth9 on Nov 7, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sorry, but look at the stats of this game

Iowa had more penalty calls than Michigan, just stop complaining about a non-call on a non-call situation and move on.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 7, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

It'll be somebody's fault

And that somebody will not be Michigan’s opposition, or Michigan’s on-field performance. The former will be inferior, and the latter will be sublime. Some yet unknown combination of planetary alignments, magick faerie dust, and bullshit officiating will rob Michigan of their deserved-by-right top 10 ranking.

Folks, this is one of the (few) reasons I am grateful that Iowa is an inconsistent as it is. I don’t think we, as a fanbase, turn into the kind of intolerable jackasses that some other fanbases do when their teams aren’t awesome. Nebraska is finally coming to terms with it, but Jeeeeeez Ohio State and Michigan are unbearable right bow.

A man may leave Iowa, but Iowa never leaves a man.

by hawkeyeinstl on Nov 6, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Uh, dude?

Do you not see how many spoiled brats we have showing up on these message boards now? And Iowa hasn’t even had sustained excellence for two or three years, yet.

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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

/boom

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 7, 2011 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought this guy was reasonable. Why all the hating?

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Because his name is Seth

and you can’t trust Seths

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Seth Rogan, Seth McFarlane, Seth Meyers

3 Seths that I don’t trust

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Seths act so entitled

The name apparently means “appointed” in hebrew, so that makes sense.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

It's true. The Jews know the adult personalities of their children before birth

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

One of their many insidious characteristics

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I went to grade school with two Seths.

One is dead, and the other was a jerk in kindergarten.

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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought they were named on the sixth day, or something.

Or am I thinking of Roman Catholic?

Jews, Catholics, what’s the difference, eh?

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 7, 2011 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Albert Brooks >> Mel Brooks

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 7, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

That's just plain wrong

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 7, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Ban this man!!

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by BStylin Hawkye on Nov 7, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Dang, I like all those guys.

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I like them too

I don’t trust them.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

That probably made me laugh harder than it should have.

by Seth9 on Nov 7, 2011 3:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Ya know what i think?

Iowa may be good against pure scrambling QBs…………..oh stop laughing and hear me out

sure we suck at Persa, but i dont think Ferentz or norm knows what to do with the Persa types. i think Vandy would give Ferentz absolute fits as well if we had to play them. however, when we play a guy who isnt a great passer but is a great runner, Robinson or Nisbitt, we tend to win

in fact, i may go as far as to say Norm loves playing those types, because they cant pass and tend to make more mistakes, and the QB making mistakes is the KEY to the bend but dont break defense.

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Nov 6, 2011 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah

we can’t handle a QB who scrambles to buy time to make an accurate pass. A good passing QB who can run around would definitely cause us fits, as the DL would struggle to get him down and the LBs/DBs would likely lose a receiver. Fortunately, we won’t face another QB like that ever again.

by blkngld12 on Nov 6, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Um, Wisconsin has a....

actually, I’m not even going to entertain the thought.

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 7, 2011 12:06 AM CST up reply actions  

You're probably correct.

Norm can stop the pass, or stop the run. Having to do both on every single down is tough for anybody.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Hence the reason you would want a dual-threat QB

Not sure many teams would say no to a QB who can throw well (smart, accurate, etc), while also being mobile enough to extend plays until the defense inevitably breaks somewhere.

by blkngld12 on Nov 6, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem with that is they are rare as hen's teeth.

If they weren’t, everybody would have one. So people design their offenses to run with somebody who is better at one end of the spectrum or the other.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Which makes me wonder

How the hell does Northwestern seem to just clone them and keep them coming? Kafka, Persa, Colter – they just keep coming and coming and coming etc…

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Nov 6, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Duh

Head coach is a wizard. He makes them at home in the basement.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

it appears

His skilz and potato may have migrated a little west over the weekend. Let Nebraska and their 5 national championships deal with him for awhile.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Nov 6, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Northwestern also almost never asks their QB

to be a deep threat. Seriously, when was the last time you saw jNW attempt a pass of 15+ yards? Not a pass the is complete and is run for longer, but a pass that is in the air for 20 or so yards? They don’t do it very often, which tends to skew the results on their dual threat. Not that they’re not very effective running their offense, because they are.

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by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Last pass of the game last year.

But in general, you are correct. They throw passes for 5-15 yards all day long.

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by The Director on Nov 6, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

and THAT made Persa’s achilles explode

by txhawkeye on Nov 6, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yup, exactly

I don’t think you’ll ever find a QB who is perfect at both (outside of video games). I think most scrambling QBs lean more to the run than the pass…if for not other reason than their mobility has been their biggest threat, and they get more success from it. So they run. And they run. And their pass game suffers. On the flip side, QBs who find success in their passing game are likely to stand in the pocket. They run occasionally, but not enough to constitute a serious threat. Occasionally, you find one who’s slightly more to the middle of the spectrum. Occasionally.

But Northwestern finds them…somehow.

by blkngld12 on Nov 6, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Completely agree

True running QBs give all D- Coordinators nightmare, especially when they scramble, then throw. Why do you think Tate was so good?

Running “Quarterbacks” who are actually just another running back can be dealt with. See us versus Michigan, and any Nebraska game this season.

by TangerinePony on Nov 7, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think people are upset with the decision to squib it...

you obviously don’t want to give up a big return. But it was executed very poorly, and nearly cost us as much as a regular return could have. We may have as well tried an onside…

by blkngld12 on Nov 6, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I have no stats to back me up

but my observation is that most of the time the ball is kicked out of bounds it results in a touch down for the receiving team. Starting at the 40, getting that boost is huge.

I am sure someone could find stats on this, I am too lazy and uneducated.

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by The Bacon Explosion on Nov 6, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Easy on the politics, please.

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by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure I follow

what does kicking out of bounds have to do with the kick? Was there a fear we’d kick it out of bounds? Or that the wind would carry the ball out of bounds?

by blkngld12 on Nov 6, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

So did Murray's kick to win against PSU effectively break Mossbrucker?

He has not had the career I envisioned him having.

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by SomeJerkPoster on Nov 7, 2011 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Wasn't wind the reason for the squib kick?

Especially seeing how Michigan’s next kick from that direction sailed out of bound badly?

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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 6, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Michigan's kick out of bounds

had as much to do with the fact that they were deliberately kicking away from Bernstine. And with a stiff wind, that can have disastrous results (i.e. go out of bounds). I think that if Iowa had just straight kicked it there, it would have worked. The way Mossbrucker (and that’s the last you’ll ever see of him) lined up, though, was somewhere between a squib and an onsides-type kick. I don’t think the call was the best, but the execution was far worse.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

That was a big win yesterday for the program

But I hope kirk doesn’t think he has everything figured out and has a I told you so mentality. It was a sloppy game and either team couldve walked a way with the w. I hope that he still somewhat feels the heat from the minny loss. This team still has a lot of improving to do, and the coaches still need to make some changes for us to be a competitive team this year and in the future. Any way great win for a young team and I hope this is a building block for the fututre. Oh and before I forget….. fuck michigan

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 12:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

So, despite beating Michigan 3 straight for the first time ever

and playing far better than last week, KF, the coaches, and Iowa still suck?

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

im not saying that at all

I just hope they feel the need to continually improve. I love the win but I hope kirk still feels the need for change. If not, whatever I’ll take a 6-6 season, but we can win out. The teams left on our schedule are garbage.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 2:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Improvement and change are not necessarily mutually inclusive.

Clearly the team is constantly striving for continual improvement, to think otherwise is just plan foolish.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Nov 6, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Word.

Also fuck michigan state. Let’s do this

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 2:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

You're saying you love Kirk

But not what he does. Does not compute. You then say the rest of Iowa’s opponents are garbage, laying the groundwork for you to bitch if they lose to any of them.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Kind of like

KF’s die-hard supporters to brush off every criticism/loss with the “it’s just one game” explanation, only to turn around and use the “three in a row over Michigan” as a club to beat others with?

Look, I’ve been as critical of KF as anyone, and I’m more than willing to admit that I was impressed by the gameplan generally yesterday and pleasantly surprised by the more hard-nosed attitude he took, something I think filtered down to the team. Kirk as the most stubborn person in the world meme may be overdone, but at the same time, he has been resistant to change. Or, when he does adapt, is quick to throw it out the second it doesn’t work (hurry-up offense after PSU game). It was nice to see a different attitude from both coaches and players yesterday but, as Ross eludes to in the main article, it remains to be seen if this will continue, or was merely a one-off performance when their backs were against the wall.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

That's fine.

You’re honest about it. I feel pretty similar to how you do, frankly. But critics who couch their criticism in passive/aggressive bullshit, and snide comments about teams that will try very hard to win, then proposing that if Iowa loses to them they lost to a garbage team, I can’t stand.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

What does not remain to be seen is whether Kirk Ferentz will field a good, sometimes great, team pretty much every year.

He’s got a pretty good track record of that.

I’m a die-hard supporter. I don’t use the win streak over Michigan as a stone to throw, nor do I need to. I simply look at the program Kirk runs and compare that to any other program in the country. I look at his track record of results. The in-game play calls and game by game results are immaterial when looked at in that perspective.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Nov 6, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Look im not a kirk hater at all

I just want to continually see change in the game plan. Sometimes we r just way to predictable. Yes I feel that we don’t have a big game in front of us. Nebby beat Msu, other than that which one of these 3 teams have a marquee win….oh none of them, that’s right. I really feel that if we don’t win out,that the season,is a loss. If you can’t stand that as a fan cheer for isu. I’m sick of losing to sub par teams. If u don’t like it, you can GF!

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 3:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Go fuck myself, huh?

With that kind of thorough logical argument, I’m sold. You’re absolutely correct.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I generally tend to agree

I’m still just waiting for that moment where he makes the (relatively) minor tweaks that allows us to consistently beat the inferior opponents, and beat them convincingly. Upsets will always happen, it’s unrealistic for anyone to think we’ll never lose to ISU, Minnesota, jNW, and Indiana again. I just want it to be a far more infrequent occurrence, and for use to not need quite so many narrow wins against poor to awful teams. We do that, and we go from a team that is, on average, a 7-8 game winner to one that is challenging for 9 or more wins every year. And that would be truly something special.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

We're risk takers....

….when we HAVE to, and it works, like with our blitzing yesterday which resulted in all kinds of good things for us.

It’s a mind-set problem. We don’t HAVE to take risks against the IU’s and Minny’s of the world, which is exactly why we sometimes lose to them. When we throw caution more to the wind, we can beat better teams.

I applaud the defensive coaches for prepping the team well, and for blitzing the most I’ve seen in a few years. But until we are willing to do that against lesser teams, the coaches aren’t off the hook for me.

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by The Director on Nov 6, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you 100%

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

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by The Bird Cult on Nov 6, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Look im not trying to start an argument.

But everyone was hating on kirk after the minny game. You act as if I’m a complete goon to want continual improvement. I don’t feel that the staff is working to its full potential. We have a very winnable schedule in front of us. Sorry for wanting more out of a guy making 3.65 mill a year before bonuses. I’m obviously the illogical one. Kirk win 6 games a year, and you should be B1G coach of the year. Sorry I will never question him again.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 3:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

One, don't besmirch my name!!! Keeding

Two, you’re really barking up the wrong tree on this one if you think TBC is a big KF defender. I’m with you, generally, but I don’t think we need to “win out” to consider this season a success. At the start of the season, I pegged us as winning 7-8, 9-10 if things really went our way. It’s looking like we’ll probably end up at about 7-5. And that is a “success” in the context of this season and the general newness of the team (last year, however, it was a failure). It’s just been the way we’ve gotten to 7 wins that has been really surprising.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

i see your point hoya.

But you do realize we would already have 8 wins if we wouldve beat the flunkie programs in ISU and Minnesota right. This is the lamest schedule Iowa will ever have. I would be thrilled with 10 wins not 7 or 8. And the fact that fans will be ok with that is bullshit. We are iowa we can’t compete every year is bullshit too. We have a top 5 paid coach in college football. Also, there is what, 2 teams in the last decade to send more guys to the nfl than us. I’m sick of hearing the “we’re iowa excuse”. We fail because of sub par coaching. I hate it as much as anyone but that’s what’s up. If you’re happy with this team, take a long look in the mirror, because we deserve much better!

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 4:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

and you sound like a defensive little bitch.

How dare I question a terribly underachieving coaching staff. Norm you really have no clue do you?

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 4:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Fuck you.

What I have no clue about is how somebody can be so fucking stupid as to think they can ordain 10 win seasons out of thin air.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly why do "we" deserve much better?

Because “you” are willing to be a coach-sniping asshat?

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm no fan of Mack Brown's

but do you really want to get in a career-achievment pissing match comparing Ferentz’s accomplishments to Brown’s? Because I really don’t think that’s going to go well for you.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

According to him

Anything 3.65 mil on up should result in 10 win seasons every year. You agree?

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Not necessarily

But you’re inclusion of Mack Brown was misplaced because, but for last year, that’s exactly what he’s done.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 7, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

mack brown is terrible.

Who would want conference or national championships. You sure showed me

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 4:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I never said i wanted to fire kirk

You stupid mother fucker. I just want results. The lack of talent argument is a joke. I could see if we were boise and sent 5 guys to the nfl in a decade. However we send 2 to 5 a year. Its not lack of talent, its a lack of leadership.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 4:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

You want results.

Like an Orange Bowl win and a couple of seasons where we go 11-2?

And Bowl wins against pretty-good teams (Florida, LSU, Mizzou, maybe South Carolina and GT)?

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

when were the couple of seasons where we went 11-2

And sorry missouri and gt were not good teams.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 4:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

2009, 2002.

But, because the nearest one was a full year and a half away from right now, I’m sure you’ll somehow nullify it from this argument.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Mizzou had won 10 games including beating #1 Oklahoma (who finished 6th). They came into the bowl game ranked 14th, and ended up ranked 18th. They did dare to lose two road games in conference (Nebby, TTech)

Mizzou was a good team (not great).

GT came into the bowl game ranked 9th, and ended up 13th. They beat 4th ranked VT (who finished ranked 10th).
But, they did dare to lose to a ranked Miami team, and a rivalry game against Georgia.

Please don’t go super-revisionist just because you feel like being a jerk.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

you are right about the 11 win seasons

I thought we only won 10 in 02 but you are right sir. Also we have only been ranked in the top 25 5 times in the last 12 years and never higher than 7th. I don’t find that exceptional at all. Sorry for wanting more but 7 years un rated is pretty piss poor in my eyes. Without 02-04 kirk is the most average coach of all time if not piss poor. Also gt is in the acc you can never say they are good. They have never had a team finish above 10th since the start of the bcs. Sorry I’m just sick of average. I want more.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 5:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Well,

finishing 7th in the nation is way above average. It’s in the top 5 to 10 %.

Winning two Big Ten titles (or shares of them) is above average in conference.

We all “want more.” But we all don’t complain about it whenever we show up at BHGP.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

We can pay a coach

somewhere between $1 million and $1.5 million for the next decade.

But ask jNW, IU, Minnesota, Illinois, Mich State, Purdue, Iowa State, and about 80 other teams in D-1 how that works out.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

or just ask iowa

Since 05 we have been 7-5, 6-6,6-6,8-4,10-2,7-5 and if I had a guess 7-5 again this year. I’d say some making 1.5 mill a year could get us there.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 6:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Way to not include bowl games.

I mean, bowl wins.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

We're taking out 3 year stretches now?

Then I’ll take out 05-07. That makes Kirk look tremendous.

by rupertj on Nov 6, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

no absoultely not

That is when we had the horses to play the bend don’t break philosophy. That was also before the spread offense and the mobil qb. Like I said the game has changed immensely and kirk hasn’t. I don’t expect more than 7 or 8 wins till we change our philosophies or coaches. Sorry proof is in the numbers look at the last 6 years.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 6:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Also look at bill snyder and k state

He is a billion years old and he has changed his philosophies to win. They will def have more wins than us at the end of the year, and the talent isn’t even comparable. Kirk would win 3 games with the k state talent this year.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 6:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

And,

they are in different conferences.

(I still don’t trust Big 12 defenses.)

I’m not sure Snyder would win much more than 6 or 7 at Iowa this year.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Then don't

put out 2 years because you feel like being a homer. If you’re content with average, good for you. That doesn’t mean anyone not content is wrong.

And yes 2009 is just a year and a half ago… and 2008 is just two and half years ago… and 2007 is just three and half years ago…
 and 2006 is just four and half years ago… and 2005 is just five and half years ago…

One good year in 6 is good for you, more power to you. But some of us are not satisfied and I don’t think we are being unreasonable.

by Grixxly on Nov 7, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh be nice.


"Pursue happiness... with diligence."

by Bucketochicken on Nov 6, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok so you guys thought i wouldnt want to compare mack brown

To kirk over payed, underachieving ferentz huh. Well how bout this, he started there in 98 and has one year of less than 9 wins and that was last year. He had 9 years straight of 10 wins or more from 01 to 09 and has won at least a share of the big 12 6 times. But man kirk sure is one up on him, we won the orange bowl against gt…..remember…..remember?

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 8:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Are you really comparing

Iowa to Texas? I mean it. Yes, KF is extremely highly paid. But if you are a recruit, compare Austin to Iowa City. Compare the brand name of Texas to Iowa.
None of us are happy with the losses to ISU, Northwestern, and Minnesota. All of us are well aware of KF’s tendency to field teams that play down to their competition. We all want to play for conference championships, and god willing, more than that. But to expect it coming from our background is unrealistic. We want to build towards that, but we simply are not in a position to expect it right now.
There are a lot of areas for improvement, and while we may agree or disagree on the specifics, ask yourself this, who would you want to be the coach or coordinator to improve the team?

"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass

by chitownhawkeye on Nov 6, 2011 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I fall on your side.

Talent falls into your lap at Texas. You have to show folks where your lap is at Iowa (which is why Mike Price never came here…).

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Eustachy

must have used a strobe light.

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

No, actually

I was saying that I don’t think NPAT doesn’t want to make that comparison, because it will tend to undercut his point.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 7, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

sure

Compare conference records, conference titles, and national championships. I’m curious to see how they match up?

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 7:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm going to go ahead and bookmark this

for the next time you go off on someone you disagree with for being overly personal.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Great.

If Eff Bielema ever commented in a manner other than to rip the coaches, I probably wouldn’t have been so quick to use the “ass-hat” term.

But, your point is taken.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

And if we beat ISU and Minnesota

Maybe we don’t beat Pitt or Michigan. Seasons have a weird way of playing themselves out. Look, I really don’t think there is any excuse for us losing to either ISU or Minnesota this year; where I differ with you is just assuming things would have gone the exact same way in all the other games. And I’m not sure Iowa comes back from 21 down versus Pitt, or plays with so much passion versus Michigan, if the team didn’t have the backs to the wall resulting from those losses. Teams need to learn how to play, to overcome adversity. 2009 was possible because it was comprised of mostly vets from the 2008 team that struggled in close games until they broke through, even though guys like Stanzi, DJK, Greenwood, Sash, Clayborn, Ballard weren’t seniors. Conversely, this year we have a lot of “senior” players, but those seniors don’t have much in-game experience. It’s a learning curve that can only be solved by experience. It is worrisome that we’ll go through a lot of it again next year, but that’s the nature of the beast in college football.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Hoya, unlike nor i understand what you are trying to say.

Look though I’m sick of defending one of the highest paid coaches in fbs. We should compete for B1G titles every year. If u really thin we don’t have the talent or can’t obtain it to do so, cheer for another team. I blame kirk and co for everything. Michigan shouldn’t be considered as a “big” win. I hate how iowa fans are ok with average years. It makes me want to puke.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 4:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

We should comptete for B1G titles every year?

Based on what? Kirk’s salary? We play the players we have, and we don’t the players of a Ohio State, Texas, LSU or USC. Yes, we get a lot of guys drafted. That’s because the coaching staff gets a lot out of the guys we have, not that we get a ton of blue chip players. We don’t have tremendous depth. We are going to have rebuilding years, not “reloading” years.

"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass

by chitownhawkeye on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

sure based on salary.

I don’t know what you do for work, but I get paid by my performance compared to the rest of the people in my profession. I’m so crazy for wanting results. Also what is it, florida and tosu have more guys in the nfl in the last decade, and what do we have to show for it. A coach that chews gum like and idiot and claps with a claw. Meanwhile both of them have titles.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 4:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

So KF was underpaid when

he was paid $1 million for 2002?

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know what you do for work either,

but a lot of people get paid based on how much profit they bring in, and Ferentz brings in a shit ton.

by clay-born to party on Nov 6, 2011 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

It would be difficult for Iowa to make more cash without doing some things that are kind of dickish.

Like putting non-conference home games on PPV, or reapportioning seats at Kinnick (which just happened a couple years ago) and really charging big money to people who want to keep their “good” seats.

Personally, I’d like to see the athletic department “put the screws” to sponsors before they do so to fans.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

you are absolutely right

If not for kirk no one would go to iowa games or buy their merchandise. Kirk is paid to win games you smarmy punk. He has nothing to do with selling out kinnick. That’s thanks to the fact that we have no pro teams. I’m gonna root for iowa no matter what, but I don’t I have to be a drooling buffoon like the rest of you and be happy with 6-6 seasons and defend him to the hill.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 8:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

i dont know if fun would be the

Appropriate word, but I sure am opinionated.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 8:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I've never seen "hyperventilating pain in the ass"

distilled into three letters.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

TBC?

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Also there are only 100 blue chippers a year

So that’s a weak argument, most teams get no 5 star recruits.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 4:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry didnt mean to work you all up.

But I think if you’re paid in the top 5 percent of coaches you should deliver results. Kf obviously can’t. Its always the same excuse, we are iowa we can’t compete. That’s bullshit. We don’t compete because the game has passed kirk by. If you think that was a 5 loss team last year, then you are a dipshit. Kirk is what 10 games over 500 in his b1g career. Look at the numbers of his career before you crucify me. He is average in every sense of the word.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 4:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Your entire post is bullshit.

You claim to not mean to work up people after calling them stupid, sons of bitches, motherfuckers, and miscellaneous other insults. You then claim that the game passed Kirk by, when it’s only been 20 months since the completion of his most successful season. He might only be 10 over .500, but he’s got a winning record against everybody but tOSU and jNW, and he’s 500 against jNW. He’s in the progress of his 13th season, and has landed Iowa in the top 10 at the end 4 times. It took Fry 20 years to do it twice. KF may not be entirely successful, sometimes it’s frustrating when what he calls doesn’t work. But he isn’t a bad coach. Quite the contrary.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

You forgot he's 6-7 against the

Storied program Iowa State. That should earn him a raise right there.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 5:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The problem with this argument is

That salaries in sports are not simply an investment, where money put in can be directly resulted in wins. Sports are not, and never will be, traditional in this sense.

His salary is warranted from past success, and the cyclical nature of college football by and large makes justifying salaries difficult in any one given season.

A plus B does not always equal C in college football. There are so many other variables to take into account (recruiting classes, attrition, scheduling, career arcs of players/coaches, etc.), that I don’t think fans should call for the head of a highly-paid coach in situations like these.

To me, I’m willing to tolerate some lean years if it can be tied to unpredictable variables (attrition, bad luck in some close games, etc.). The stuff I can’t tolerate is the inherently unaggressive play calling and coaching decisions that are obvious as I’m watching the game, and the staff acts like it was an extremely rare circumstance.

by One Night Stanzi on Nov 6, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with almost everything you just said.

I don’t want his job, I just want results. Just a few weeks ago on here there was an article that kf was the worst win percentage of any fbs coach in a one possession gam in the last decade. Sorry but if your whole philosophy is to win close games, and you’re the worst at it in fbs don’t you think its time for a change in ideas. Maybe I’m the crazy asshole I don’t know but I’m sick of 4th quarter meltdowns. Also I know I’m not the only one who thought we were screwed with the lead in the 4th yesterday.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 5:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

A slight alteration? Sure. Wholesale changes....not for me.

I don’t think it’s wise to play the same way with a potent offense as the way you play when you’re defense-oriented. In ‘08-’10, when the defense was the backbone, it made sense to lay a little low at the end of halves.

As for the 4th quarter meltdowns…that’s harder to guess at. To me, KF’s goal is to be in a position to win at the end of every game. That means that most of the time, the defense will be relied on to win a game. When we don’t have the horses to stop a dynamic offense on a drive, it’s tough to get the job done.

In my mind, at least the defense is put in that position. It’s better to me to be put in that position than to be blown out of games. I’d take 3 quarters of defense and lead with 4 mins, with the defense relied on to win the game.

by One Night Stanzi on Nov 6, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

How about the low-level

assistant coaches and graduate assistants? What do they get paid?

For every head coach that’s making a million or more, there are a ton of low-level guys that make peanuts.

This is why the “results or bitch about the salary” strategy just doesn’t fit into discussion about college football.

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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Chazz that makes no sense

Did you hear saban crying about the flunkies on his staff last night? No you didn’t. That’s like blaming the college help over christmas break for having a slow sales year. The point you just tried to make, makes absolutely no sense. Good try, keep digging for ways to defend kirk and his ways of being inept.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 6:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I didn't make my point very clearly.

In that career (college coaching) you get paid peanuts in your first few years.

Therefore, it is more understandable that you might actually make some good money after you are established and successful.

But yes, maybe we should just model things on the business world (hello, CEO pay).

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Um, this is generally true of most careers
In that career (college coaching) you get paid peanuts in your first few years.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 7, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, in many careers,

you at least get paid minimum wage for your time.

I’m not sure a GA does.

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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 7, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I will admit, however

that KF’s coordinators and long-term assistant coaches are well-paid. Most are making $200k to $300k per year.

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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

True that.

I’m not trying to attack you or norm, we are obviously all passionate iowa fans but look above where I posted kirks records since 05. He is very average and I feel that we deserve better. The money, fan base, and facilities are there, I just feel that the coaches are letting us down horribly.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 6:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, try not to think that way.

If you believe the coaches are “letting us down horribly” by winning our first BCS bowl in 5 decades, then think about it twice.

Also, there are many schools (particularly BCS schools) that have “the money, the fan base, the facilities.” But not every school has a coach who has two conference trophies and a BCS win (just in the Big Ten, I’d guess the list is Paterno, Ferentz, and that’s it).

What bothers me is that, it appears, that fans like yourself think that each of us fans is making some contribution to the wins of our team, and the coaches (and players?) are just fucking it up. That’s absurd. Big Ten football is just not easy.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont know for sure

But I bet the 4 coaches paid more than kirk have all of the above. As well as several coaches paid less than him. Do you really believe having one season with more than 8 wins in the past 6 years is good. I know the b1g is tough, but kirk is an epic failure for the money and its embarrassing losing to teams such as minny and Isu on tv. Its easy either pay him less or expect 9 or 10 wins a year, not 6 or 7.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 7:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes.

Pay a coach less,

or have border-line unreasonable expectations, year-in and year-out.

That will get us some awesome coaches!

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

ya im out of my fucking mind

For wanting 9 wins a year. I mean who could beat the likes of indiana, isu, minnesota, northwestern, purdue, tenn tech, and such other power houses to get to an unreachable goal of 9 wins a year. Have you even watched college football before this year. Let me get this right. Kirk winning 10 games 3 years in a row wasn’t a fluke, but expecting 9 wins a year when he is paid in the top 1 percent of coaches is unreasonable. You my friend are a douche.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 7:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

never been on an espn board

His “funny” snarky comments is what makes him a douche. I provide stats and facts to back my side up and he tries to be funny and condescending. He’s a douche bag and is truly clueless about fbs and all things football.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 7:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I saw one snarky comment by him in the conversation

and maybe 7 or 8 personal attacks by you. You’re like a youtube commentor

by clay-born to party on Nov 6, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Its truly cute how you all

Defend each other and kf. Hmm I wonder why it seems like our fan base is ok with mediocrity.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 8:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I think I've cited plenty of stats.

Usually in the form of won-loss records.

And while I am arguing with you a lot tonight, I don’t want to discourage you from stopping by here at BHGP. I just wish you’d be a just a tad more level-headed (not necessarily meaning you always have to agree with me, either).

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Chazztisement is the official sport

of the Sami people

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you trying to impress your future Norwegian bosses

with jokes at the Finns expense?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 7, 2011 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Kyle

As you well know, given my Danish and Swedish heritage, I am no fan of the Norwegians. However, I will do their song and dance if it means a chance to leave Texas, return to the tundra, and spend time in the land of 6’ blondes.

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by Lycurgus on Nov 7, 2011 7:14 AM CST up reply actions  

‘Ly abides’. Dunno about you, but I take comfort in those words. It’s good knowin’ he’s out there. Ly. Diddlin’ six-foot-blondes for all us sinners. Shoot. I sure hope he makes the final interviews.

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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 7, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey MGoBrian

halloween was last week. Good try, I’m keeping my candy.

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 7, 2011 1:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I have watched plenty of college football.

I’ll admit, I’ve watched more in the Ferentz era than I did in the Fry era. Part of that has to do with when my dad and I got season tickets at Kinnick, and part of it is just that the late 90s were my teen-age years, when I could start fully-appreciating the game.

This year, 9-3 would probably mean beating everyone on our schedule except Nebby, MSU, and PSU. Personally, I don’t find that super-unreasonable. But, I can also be understanding if we drop a game or two when we shouldn’t. I’m not really happy that those two games happened to be rivalry games (ISU, Minny), but I also realize that sometimes (and maybe too often under Ferentz) those rivals will “jump up and bite you.” Kind of like we won quite frequently when Minny played in the Metrodome. Kind of like how Iowa beat ISU for 15 years in a row under Fry. Not everything works out as probability would dictate.

To me, winning 10 for three straight years is not a complete fluke. Especially when the best team of those three might have been the first one (2002).

So yes, I think you are slightly out of your mind if you expect Iowa to win 9 or more every year. This year’s team may have had enough talent to do so. Last year’s team probably should have done so. But I can’t get super-angry because they didn’t, especially when both teams will probably make a bowl.

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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Bowl games are fun

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

you make some good points chazz

But its the way we lose to lesser teams every year. Like 02 our only season loss was to a less talented isu team. I’m not trying to stir everyone up or make everyone hate me but look at kirks track record. He loses to terrible teams every year. That’s fine when that happens every once and a while cause ou has a trap game every year or 2. But kirk never seems to learn from his mistakes or change his tendencies. I don’t want him fired, I just want him to reflect on what he’s bad at and fix it. That’s not a crazy request like I said considering he’s in the top 1 or 2 percent of salaries.

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 8:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I was also disappointed

when we dropped the ISU game in 2002. I didn’t realize we’d be undefeated, aside from that, until the Orange Bowl loss.

But, ISU was a bowl team in 01, 02, and 03, so it is not like Jim Walden around, still giving us games at that point.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 8:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait, hold on:

I didn’t realize we’d be undefeated, aside from that, until the Orange Bowl loss.

How should that effect your reaction to an utter collapse at home (bowl team be damned)? That was a joyous year to be a Hawkeye and a masterpiece by Ferentz, but that loss was awful, regardless of opponent.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 7, 2011 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

It is just easier to tolerate if your team is going to be .500 or 7 wins or 8 wins.

When you look back, pre-Orange Bowl, and realize your only loss was to ISU, then it stings more.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 7, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

This

so much this

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 7, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear that

But look at the other teams sending guys they have 1 or multiple national championships, and win conference titles almost every year. Kirk is great at developing talent, but not real strong on game days. If he was smart he would hire great coordinators and just sit back and watch on game days

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 6:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

other teams sending guys they have 1 or multiple national championships, and win conference titles almost every year.

Here’s the list:
a) Alabama
b) LSU
c) maybe Auburn (though they don’t win their conference “every year”)
d) maybe Florida (though they are “down” right now.)
e) Oklahoma
f) Texas (again, might be “down” right now)
g) Ohio State (cheaters)
h) PSU (has had some “low points” between their conference titles lately, and hasn’t won a national title in 15 or 20 years.)
i) Southern Cal (cheaters)

That’s 9 teams.

Let’s not act like every third NCAA BCS/D1 team wins as much as you portray.

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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

who would want to be a fan of one of those teams

That win 10 games a year and constantly go to bcs bowls. Didn’t ohio state win 6 b1g titles in a row

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 7:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Honestly, I hate OSU so bad,

I would not want to emulate them too much.

I probably would accept 6 big ten titles in a row, if we ever got there.

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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

And KF hired

a DC who had a ton of Big Ten experience.

KOK didn’t.

I’m unsure how many hot-shot coordinators there are out there that can just let a head coach sit back (and collect millions of dollars and dozens of trophies). But, if those guys exist, they’ll probably be head coaches within 3 to 5 years.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Its called a coaching tree

All great coaches have one including hayden and bill snyder. Kirk will never have one, because of the fact that he will never change his coordinators. You must not know much about college football, but must competitive teams lose coaches every couple of years

by eff bielema on Nov 6, 2011 7:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not sure that's true.

He’s got a couple of guys in the NFL.

I could see some of our current assistants becoming head coaches somewhere (maybe not all D-1).

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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Joe Philbin is a piece of shit from the Ferentz coaching tree

Packers Offensive coordinator and all. Their offense fucking sucks.

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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 6, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, but it is also an indictment

of years like 2010 where we have that much NFL talent, yet still only go 7-5 in-season

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 7, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I think they come out and control Michigan State

I said it after Minnesota — be careful how much we rip this, they’ll bounce back and win two and make us feel like real dickheads.

But the most Iowa thing that could happen is that we beat MSU, lose to Purdue, and beat Nebraska.
 
And so I predict that we do just that.

A man may leave Iowa, but Iowa never leaves a man.

by hawkeyeinstl on Nov 6, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

they’ll bounce back and win two and make us feel like real dickheads.

Not us. You.

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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

not just him either

But them

Please don't tell me how you hate BSU or their turf...I know all too well and keep my toliet water blue for a reason.

by BoiseHawk on Nov 6, 2011 8:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Me?

What did I do?

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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 7, 2011 1:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually

I’m one of the tiny handful of people on this cite not completely shredding Ferentz after the Minnesota loss, and I took some serious shit for it. I put “us” in there as a matter of diplomacy.

A man may leave Iowa, but Iowa never leaves a man.

by hawkeyeinstl on Nov 7, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I was kind of trying to be funny.

But I’m pretty clear about my support, good times or bad.

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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 7, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

You and I are of a kind then, good sir

A man may leave Iowa, but Iowa never leaves a man.

by hawkeyeinstl on Nov 10, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Is anyone concerned about the gaping holes down the field that D-Rob

simply missed? Do you think that was a result of the defense focusing on stopping Denard from running or were our DB’s getting straight beat. Cousins probably isn’t gonna miss those guys.

by DananHughesUrDaddy on Nov 6, 2011 12:28 PM CST reply actions  

But in seriousness

Cousins isn’t as much of a threat to gash us for big runs…assuming the defense is paying any sort of attention.

by blkngld12 on Nov 6, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Which may allow for the safeties to play deeper

Both Miller and Bernstine were playing shallow most of the day, most likely to provide run/contain support.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Get real.

Our corners were very solid in coverage yesterday, particularly down the field. Prater got beat once and Robinson missed the receiver, that’s part of the strategy.

When we play quarterbacks with questionable passing abilities and exceptional rushing abilities we’re going to take more chances, realizing full well that there will be times that it will result in open receivers down the field. You’ll see a similar game plan against Martinez, if he’s still upright by then. Given the amount of times they were each put on an island, Prater and Hyde deserve a lot more credit than they’re getting, and absolutely zero criticism.

Furthermore, I have no idea if you’re one of the people who is constantly complaining about blitzing but this is what you get when you blitz frequently, corners left on an island. When corners are left on an island there will be times when they get beat, and beat deep. It’s the way things work. The fact that our corners did such a good job yesterday is a testament to their downfield coverage abilities.

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by HawKCP on Nov 6, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Also, when our corners were out of position,

we were often bailed out by horrific drops or bad passes. Lots of big momentum-swinging drops on their part that kept things going for us.

McNutt had a few drops he shouldn’t have as well, come to think of it.

by The Final Gun on Nov 6, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

that's the gamble

And the odds are much in the favor of the defense with Shoelaces. At least three things have to happen for us to get burned:

1. Our blitz/pressure gets picked up
2. Our corners get beat
3. Shoelaces throws a pass his team can catch

We broke down a couple times on 1 and 2 but were bailed out with #3. This is a risk worth taking with guys like Robinson and Martinez.

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by The Bacon Explosion on Nov 6, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Great review.

We blitzed so much yesterday I thought I was hallucinating.

But I thought our corners played their best games, because they KNEW going in they would be on their own. We’ll never have two corners better than these two guys, not at the same time.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 6, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

And with a little safety help, I think they'd really get a chance to show their stuff.

Prater has really been hamstrung by having to shut down half the field on his own.

by The Mexican't on Nov 6, 2011 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Question.

I was at the game so maybe the people who watched on TV had a better look at it:

What was the deal with Mossbrucker’s kick? Too far on-side, or too short squib, or something else?

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by Dr. Hawk on Nov 6, 2011 12:31 PM CST reply actions  

I was at the game too

but I would say there is somewhere between 0-0% chance that was an onside kick.

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by HawKCP on Nov 6, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it was weird

He was lined up in-between a squib and an onsides kick position. Just fucked up all the way around.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

he’s never recovered from the “snub” in the 2008 PSU game. Gotta give the kid credit for sticking with the team and trying to make it work though.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Oof. Those 2 dudes did not have good nights. And looked bad doing it

by txhawkeye on Nov 6, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Low 40's is a comfortable temperature for tomfoolery

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

44, 50, and 52 were the distances

I’d imagine that most NCAA kickers would have some trouble at those distances.

by The Mexican't on Nov 6, 2011 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

That's right.

I stand corrected. Those are pretty good distances.

by One Night Stanzi on Nov 6, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

There you go again with reason and facts.

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Field goals are hard sometimes

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I was also there

and watched him return to the sidelines through binoculars. He got his ass chewed for that one. Really poor attempt at a squib kick.

by Vandy's Mom Digs Me on Nov 6, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

My fear is we play a more conventional offense against Sparty too.

It may work, but considering the strength of their defense, we may have to mix things up to open up options. Not sure running Coker into the front of the MSU defense will work too often. But who knows?

by blkngld12 on Nov 6, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

We will need to continue to blitz

because we get almost no rush from your four downs. The CBs will have to man up literally and schematically. If they do the job, we can win. Cousins is not very good with pressure. So, to me it’s as simple as we will get it this year (although Purdue is similar). We need to stop the run and blitz like hell on passing downs. Norm needs to channel Rex Ryan. We just cannot sit back with our four downs and play coverage all day. We’ll get killed.

Offensively, VDB needs to go up a notch. Not much but a little. He is kind of plateauing of late and I expect Dantonio to make him win the game.

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by StoopsMyAss on Nov 6, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

yea, i see them make us win by throwing it

the passing game has been on cruise control, good but not great. they have the tape of the drops and miscues yesterday. granted it was a windy day and we weren’t terrible, be interesting to see how the weather holds up.

by sailorjerry on Nov 6, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Reminiscent of Iowa vs. MSU 2009

game winning TD Pass to Marving McNutt Jr. Though, I would hope for a blowout like last year.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

"Marving" works just fine

It’s what you say in front of your grandparents instead of saying he McNutt’d on somebody.

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Five

79-83

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by Flakbait on Nov 6, 2011 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

What worries me about Cousins is he tends to get hot

And if you let him sit in the pocket, he WILL kill you. He will find an open receiver sooner or later, anytime we’ve played coverage against him he’s moved State downfield with no problems. We need to hit him early and HARD – even if means letting him complete a few passes, I would knock his ass hard to the ground immediately after he releases the ball.

Although he’s in Kinnick where he’s far more comfortable, I expect Dantonio to do the same thing to VDB as we’ll try to do to Cousins – blitz the dog shit out of him. But we’ve got better WRs, I think and if Vandy just keeps from locking on to people and makes the right reads we will kill them if they blitz.

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by The Bird Cult on Nov 6, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Bernstine needs to work on his blitz timing

he’s consistently doing nothing but running right into the blocker.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I noticed that too.

In fact, it seemed like all of our secondary players did that.

To the point where I wonder if that wasn’t their primary mission because at that same time we were sending linebackers on what seemed like delayed blitzes that landed.

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by HawKCP on Nov 6, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe we need to blitz with LBs instead of DBs

Cuz the latter has been highly ineffective for a while, and the former seems to do nice damage

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by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

What I meant was that LBs were coming on the same play.

I’m wondering if the DBs are sent are told not to go too wide because if a lineman slides over to take them out, that leaves one less protector in the middle where suddenly there is a LB coming on a delayed blitz that the line didn’t account for pre-play.

I’m just speculating really.

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by HawKCP on Nov 6, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Tanner Miller seemed pretty effective on that blitz where he crushed Denard into the turf.

We just need to get better at blitzing, LBs and DBs alike.

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by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Also, tackling.

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by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, yeah.

That’s been a must all season.

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by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

They really seemed to never think

that last blocked pass he was so close to Denard that I’m surprised he didn’t piss himself.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

WOW...post fail

they never seemed to think that Binns was a threat…that last blocked pass he was so close to Shoelace…and now you may get it.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed.

no one is mentioning that Bernstine had 15 tackles. Well, that’s because he played the entire game in the box.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 6, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the point about our defense not punishing the other team regularly is spot-on.

That has been lacking from, even our good defenses, lately. It seems like Bob Sanders brought that mentality to the Iowa defense and the further removed we get from his playing days the further we get from that mentality on defense.

There was a day when you probably would have gotten better odds on any given quarterback not finishing the game against us than the other way around. And it wasn’t just the quarterback, we used to absolutely hammer any and all opposing offensive players. It seems like lately the biggest hits delivered by our teams have come from our running backs.

Prater seems to have that mentality but teams have avoided putting him in situations where he can come up and make a big hit on a play in front of him.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Nov 6, 2011 1:00 PM CST reply actions  

Thoughts on your thoughts...

1. The defense did play a genuinely very good game against a team with a plethora of weapons, and dynamic weapons at that. That they held them to 16 paltry points is a testament to their resolve and hopefully a sign of growth and not one-game motivation. There were a couple of breakdowns in coverage late in the game (not shockingly, from LBs being put on WRs) but all-in-all, I’m pretty happy about what I saw.

2.I really liked the coaching on both sides of the ball yesterday. Clearly Parker made changes that I don’t think many of us expected him to; pressure will be the key to forcing “athletic” quarterbacks (read; not really quarterbacks) into uncomfortable situations going forward (like in Lincoln). KOK, too, called an excellent game and likely would have come out looking much better if not for yet another batch of untimely dropped balls (McNutt had at least one that I can remember and Davis had one that probably would have ended up gaining 20). And the failed draw on 4th & 1 by Vandy is encouraging in that it appeared as though they had faith in their qb to make a real-time decision and go with it (even if it was the wrong decision; you can teach that stuff). Even the squib kick was fine with me as it appeared to simply be terrible execution i.e. it was meant to go much further.

3.I’m loving what Marcus Coker is becoming (or dare I say, transforming into…) but I would like to see him learn to hit holes/wait for them to develop instead of bouncing runs outside when a back of his speed is not optimally suited to do so. It cost us on a 4th & 1 yesterday and has happened in other short yardage situations throughout the year. When you’re that huge, N to S is the way to go. Either way, his growth this season has been a blinding bright spot.

4.Excited that CJ is starting to see some meaningful minutes. Even more excited that the coaching staff has resisted pressure to put him in before they felt he was ready and bring him along at his own speed; he could end up being one of the greats with the right learning curve.

5.So sad for Tiny Alvis. He has really been one of the most consistent performers for this defense through much of the year. Hopefully one or more of his teammates pick up his banner and use it for inspiration moving forward.

Looking forward to making Sparty look stupid on the road (or just making Sparty look like Sparty). Go Hawks!

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 1:26 PM CST reply actions  

RE: JVBs sneak

It was clear that MI was prepared for that play as they were loaded up against and attacking the LG-C hole. In a perfect world, Vandy sees that and makes the adjustment, but given his relative inexperience and the fact that we had 100% success on 7-8 tries with that play up to that point, I’m OK with it. Now, if he makes the same mistake again hold him accountable, but not for yesterday.

I just wanna see Kirk Ferentz cry.

by nattybumpo on Nov 6, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I also think that play took a little too long to setup.

That’s a play that requires everyone to the line quickly while the defense is sitting around waiting to see if we’re going to punt or go for it. We went without a huddle but didn’t get setup nearly quick enough, in my opinion. Then, if I remember correctly, JVB got to the line and took a little longer to actually snap it. That’s got a be a quick to the line, quick snap play to be most effective in that situation.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Nov 6, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

VDB doesn't do well

when he is forced to change pace in the middle of the drive. On VDB’s failed sneak, Iowa tried to hurry up and catch Michigan off-guard, not a bad idea in and of itself, but Michigan got back and ready for too quickly. Michigan also stacked the interior of the line to stop the sneak. If VDB slows down and collects himself, he would have seen miles of daylight to the offense’s left. He could have faked the dive and scrambled out to the left for an easy first down. I think part of it, though, was the fact that he was asked to change gears in the middle of a drive, something he doesn’t seem comfortable with. Which is ironic because he looks comfortable running the hurry up or the regular O on any given drive, just not a combo of both within a drive.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

There were a few times

where it looked like the offense was set and there were no michigan CBs on either Mcnutt or Davis and he couldn’t get it checked to them. Most of the time the corner just wasn’t over there yet but on one play the only defender attempting to cover Mcnutt was a safety 15 yards off the line, if i remember correctly.. missed a few opportunities for sure. but nothing too major.

by The KF Karate Chop on Nov 6, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Again, I liked it in general as it's a teachable moment,

and I don’t see it as a reflection of in-game coaching. It’s a negative with a big ol’ silver lining.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I voted for Marvin

Some of his catches were really good…and historically the ones we don’t make, fail to continue drive, don’t score and loose with.

The third down pass which was thrown behind him, and effectively cought it with has left hand and right wrist, it was fucking awesome!!!
I don’t ever remember seeing anyone with a Hawkeye jersey make snags like him before.

Oh, and Fuck Michigan

by DaaCF on Nov 6, 2011 1:38 PM CST reply actions  

Marvin can't be perfect

but Spielman (who is, for my money, one of the best college color guys out there) was absolutely correct for taking him to task for taking a play off and not selling his route. Add that to at least one drop where he was already looking downfield and I think he falls behind a number of other players. Still, he had an outstanding game all-in-all.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

i wonder how often that takes places, the dogging it. I know i’ve seen it in the pro’s a lot, the rec’s basicaly just pu tthier hands up when there is a run up the middle.

by DaaCF on Nov 6, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Like Spielman a lot

Easy to impress, just play your ass off every single play. He is not afraid to call anyone out, which is a pleasant change from a lot of announcers.

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Nov 6, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

And that's because Spielman never took a play off

I would not have enjoyed facing him when he was playing. He’d rip your skin off and knit little booties out of it or something.

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

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by The Bird Cult on Nov 6, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure Marvin took that play off.

It seemed like there was a big breakdown in communication going on there, and that, in the end, he had no idea what the play was, and that no one really knew what the play was supposed to be. It seemed like he was waiting for something that never came.

"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"

by The Director on Nov 6, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

But still, Spielman made a good point. And I love that he referred to himself as, “a bit psychotic back then”.


"Pursue happiness... with diligence."

by Bucketochicken on Nov 6, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

if my memory is correct

isnt spielman almost singularly responsible for beatig us in ‘85
ruining Chuck’s Heisman and the Rose Bowl

i met him last year and forgave him, he made serious contributions to the James Cancer Hospital that saved my life, I went down to the lobby every night at 3 am and looked at the plaque and finally figured out the his efforts for cancer far outweighed my pain of ’85 – he laughed at my Iowa hat and gave me a hug, and you want a hug, get a man hug from an all american nfl typle linebacker

and he is my favority color guy,, no punches held by this guy

Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER

by OhioHawk on Nov 6, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

PLUS, what he and his kids went through with his wife’s cancer. I know little about the guy, but his story is pretty remarkable.

by txhawkeye on Nov 6, 2011 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

He is good.

That James Cancer Center is being named for his wife, too.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

If that's the case, at least put a body on somebody and crash block.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

On the touchdown pass that wasn't a TD

I thought the Michgan receiver pushed off (illegally).

On the final play of the game it seemed like Lowery was making a play on the ball. Therefore, no interference.

Maye I had my homer glasses on but these seemed obvious to me.

It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.

by FiveSecondRuleChef on Nov 6, 2011 1:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Homer glasses on the last one

Check the Gazoo for pics of Lowery hugging the receiver well before the ball arrives. Had the roles been reversed, this board would be in full meltdown

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 6, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I view these....

…..as 50/50 calls these days. Hand on back, contact along the body, but without holding him, or knocking him off balance. Sometimes you get these calls, sometimes you don’t. But I don’t think it was a “blown” call in the least. Not enough contact for that (someone posted the exact rule on another site, and you have to impede the actual catch. Again, not sure Lowery did that).

"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"

by The Director on Nov 6, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure he COULD impede the catch

his left hand has a gigantic cast on it.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Wilis?

A gigantic cast is the perfect recipe for impeding a catch.

You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 6, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

He wasn't hugging him, he had a hand on the small of the receiver's back.

If I did either of those things to a college aged girl, my wife would kill me, but on a football field they are two different things. Especially on the last play of a game.

If you look at the photo at the top of the page you will see Boots falling down after blocking the ball, but the Michigan receiver is not being spun around or having his path altered. Lowery didn’t grab onto him at all, his hand was just right there.
Still could have been a penalty, but I don’t think it SHOULD have been like many seem to imply.

"Gophers are filthy digging rats"
-one of HFMR's many amazing tags

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 7, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

C'mon, let's be serious

your wife would probably just laugh, wouldn’t she?

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Nov 7, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Even if PI had been called

and they got a free play, does anybody think it would have mattered? They needed to get a TD and a 2 pt conversion. Which is basically two TD’s in a row and I don’t think they completed two passes in a row the entire game.

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Nov 6, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I like our chances less if their OC hadn’t gone full autistic and simply let Denard run a stretch play on 4th, OR if they’d given them one untimed. But that’s just me. His unwillingness to run much of the day yesterday was baffling.

by txhawkeye on Nov 6, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

but very, very appreciated

"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF

by The Bacon Explosion on Nov 7, 2011 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I voted Nielsen.

Mostly because of the great numbers. (Of course, I suppose I could use the same argument to vote for Bernstine, but that’s where the fumble stuff comes in).

My initial instinct was to vote for Binns, and he did have an awesome day. But I get the feeling we don’t get too many chances to see a day like this from Nielsen.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 3:53 PM CST reply actions  

Nebraskhaha better...

Watch their corn-holes in Happy Valley… Hear those Penn State D. C.’s love their corn-holes, Huskers…

by Harrison Cougars on Nov 6, 2011 6:00 PM CST reply actions  

Jesus dude, really?


"Pursue happiness... with diligence."

by Bucketochicken on Nov 6, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Rape jokes are only funny around here

if one of about 10 people is the joker.

/I’m not one of those 10.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2011 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Terrible....

Just not good in any way.

Persona non grata.

by ninerhawk on Nov 6, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Ross, can you get rid of this, please?

by txhawkeye on Nov 6, 2011 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

This is really inappropriate

And we should not be discussing the PSU situation at all – jebush has been removing these references.

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

http://www.thebirdcult.net

by The Bird Cult on Nov 6, 2011 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Goodbye.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 9:09 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Binns had 3 pass breakups

and kept contain. Those arms REALLY help him out. Saw a picture of him and Hyde doing that jumping bump thing and he had his arms in the air. They seemed to extend up a good 5 feet. Crazy.

BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!

by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Nov 6, 2011 8:32 PM CST reply actions  

I'm the first to rec?

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Harrison Cougars was banned for this comments.

eff bielema is on a one week timeout. Disagreeing and arguing is fine. Calling people “stupid motherfuckers” is not fine.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 9:10 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Calling people "stupid motherfuckers" is not fine.

There goes my mom’s pending BHGP account.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

worst username ever.

Or best. I’m undecided.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what her username would be:

maybe “Helen Kellers’ Silent Count”

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

*insert witty username here*

or is that taken?

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Haven't seen that.

ican’tfindanamethatisn’ttaken (or something close to that) is a poster on another Iowa site.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

if it ain't BHGP

it doesn’t exist…

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

That

and I’ve probably black-listed it.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Is what taken?

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

The high road.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

I…I took the one less traveled by. The low, low road.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is cancelled

by the State of the Union Address

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

But an embarrassing frisk by the secret service

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

That is one of about 5 poems I actually like

The rest are exercises in egotism

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

You do seem like a limerick man

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey

just because his name is McCann’t doesn’t mean that he’s a leprechaun.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair Enough

Do you publish “these limericks” that you write?

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

You are one tan leprechaun

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

So is Snooki

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Irish spend a lot of time in the potato fields

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

The reuben is the best sandwich of all time

That is all

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

It will be an honor when I do.

Looking forward to the jersey, FYI.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Honor Schmonor

When you meet me you won’t be able to sleep for a week.

It will be that upsetting.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe this to be partly true

Due on most counts to the quickly challenged wrestling match on concrete

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I am not Rambler

I will force you to play trivial pursuit until one of us collapses in a clammy pile of exhaustion.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Then we must meet.

I haven’t lost a game of Trivial Pursuit in over a decade. Granted, nobody really likes to play me at Trivial Pursuit so that may have some bearing on that stat.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

It is on

Trivial pursuit tournament.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn.

Nobody will play Trivial Pursuit with me, either.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

We have a lot of

self-proclaimed smart guys on here. We should be able to put together the smugiest trivial pursuit tournament of all time.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Chazz should be invited

so afterwards we can discuss the merits of tattoos until the wee hours.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Chazz isn't smug.

Staid perhaps. Which is an odd thing to say about somebody younger than me.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I know he isn't smug

I just enjoy his rantiness

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought they were sermons.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Endearing rants.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

You can all call

me, and my rants, whatever you wish.

As long as I can be in on this Trivial Pursuit game.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 7, 2011 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 7, 2011 7:15 AM CST up reply actions  

As long as

if I beat you I can be considered a real Hawkeye fan again

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 7, 2011 7:33 AM CST up reply actions  

It will probably be

on how vocal you are in your disappointment after we lose to Purdue.

/‘Cause everyone thinks we’re going to lose to Purdue.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 7, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

ahem

smuggiest. Spelling a made-up word incorrectly is so wrong.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

And yet

you don’t recognize Byron

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I recognize Tom Byron

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Kari Byron

is a hottie…love mythbusters

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Hold on.

Being good at TP is not a sign of intelligence. It’s a sign of irreverence.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Hence why I suck at it

Pop Culture is far to dynamic and I have far too much information in my brain now, as I learn more, I have to throw away things like basic math…it’s hell

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

This is true

I usually get murdered with pop culture questions.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

See, if that was a TP question

I would have been screwed.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

We shall all meet then

Me likey Trivial Pursuit. I’ll also bring Scrabble. Nothing says dominance like Scrabble wins.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I have never played Scrabble

words make me sad.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate that game.

I like words, just hate that game.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Too dependent on luck

Not much you can spell with a pair of Qs, a W and an L.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I tried

I couldn’t come up with anything english

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

See?

No fault of your own, and you’re going to lose to some asshole that puts an S on the triple word score to spell axes.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

With a pair of QBs, a W and an L

you could spell out Notre Dame’s pattern for this season.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec

Because everyone hates Notre Dame

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Heathens.

Chess then. Nobody will play me in chess.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Neither will I.

Much like Texas Hold ’em, I get bored with it and go all in after about 20 minutes.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Chess

I will only end up as a pawn in your quest for message board domination

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Alex Karras jokes are a sure way

to diffuse my chess braggadocio

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I am terrible at chess

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Fine. It will be Trivial Pursuit.

I accede to your home field advantage.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

A year of living in west Texas

has rendered me quite incapable of fending off your intellectual advances.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Your modesty is of an immodest level

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:32 PM CST up reply actions  

It happens

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I accept challenges in all contests

except for contests of manual dexterity. I will get smoked in games of pick-up-stix, Jenga, and the like.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Have you ever played

with 2×4s instead? I’ve seen it done, looks like a riot.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I have not seen it

but am interested. How long of 2×4s are we talking? just enough to make them like Jenga blocks, so 4.5 inches long? Or feet long?

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I am terrible at math

to make them like Jenga they would be 10.5 inches long (3.5 × 3)

Well, not math. Visual conceptualizing.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmm.

Maybe they were using alternate lengths or something. I dunno. Looked like fun though. They were over a foot though, I’m sure. Approximately square end table next to your couch length.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Playing with 2x6's

would be 5.5 × 3 = 16.5 inches. Maybe that was what you saw.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

A true game of skill, that.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I like that style of speaking

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I have no style

I read about 5 books at once and constantly change style in my speech according to which I’m reading at the time. My wife finds this both fascinating and annoying.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah

I approve of this

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll play.

And you’ll murder me quickly.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 7, 2011 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Carl Palmer is a really good drummer.

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

http://www.thebirdcult.net

by The Bird Cult on Nov 7, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you going to the game?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately not

I am going to be working in Lubbock, trying to get a job in Norway.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

A truer statement was never made

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

You will have to ask to see me.

Ross will then produce me from his pocket.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

leprechaun genie now...

Are you also a wizard…I believe that’s the fairy tale trifecta

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

No

but he lives in a ginger bread house and eats wayward children

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Look, they're my children.

I can’t help that they haven’t a moral compass. Wait, I suppose I can completely help that.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude

I am not judging. What you do in the privacy of your own enchanted wood is your business.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

You've outgrown his beard?

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

It is his mischievousness

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

She walks in beauty like night

of cloudless climes and milky thighs

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I like John Donne

only because what begins as “no man is an island” ends completely metal.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I like anything that makes girls like me

Few men can write with that talent

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I do not understand this reference

I will take your word for it that it’s worthy

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude

I am going to have to question your eruditeness

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Whenever somebody starts poetry

I go into a fugue state and think about boobies

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of

it seems that systematic botany and ancient history obsessions are poor fitness (evolutionary sense) decisions.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Me too

That is why I only read poetry that at least tangentially is about boobies.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Imagine the poem on boobs

That’s how I memorize equations for my engineering classes.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I would only remember the part near the nipples

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

That's like if Chuck Norris questions my manhood.

You just kind of have to shrug and go on with your life.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yours would be better.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

It never says no?

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Vibrations

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

So, um

“It” would feel bigger? I need to start dating blind chicks.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Deaf, not blind.

Blind chicks have terrible makeup.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I've met you

and I still think you’d be better off dating blind chicks.

/I’ve never actually met you

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Nov 6, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Anything to make the joke play

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

This place is much more fun after a win

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Depends on your definition of fun.

Whocka whocka whocka

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

plus they can’t tell quite how ugly we are. The deaf ones make you seem smarter.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Same here.


"Pursue happiness... with diligence."

by Bucketochicken on Nov 6, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh my gosh, best inappropriate joke I've heard in a while there.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed, although it was clear within a few posts you were joking.

Still, let’s all try to be civil in arguing here.

At the very least, let’s not hurl insults at each other.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Even if it's "thumbface"? I really like that one.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's just try to employ some common sense.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Nov 6, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Tough but fair

And, uh, sorry for trying to make dumb jokes when you’re being serious.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Someone really needs

to make a drink called insults, so that we CAN hurl insults at each other…

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of which;

What should I drink right now?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

There is a coors joke in there

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I only drink piss when it's as cold as the Rockies

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Your urethra must be numb.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

the Rockies also get above freezing…in the summer it can be as warm as 60 degrees.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope. I have the label set to "Super Cold" so I'm immune

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Diet Mountain Dew

the drink of non-drinkiers???

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

man...for not having alcohol in the last year

I spell horribly.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't drink either

I just enable

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

AMEN

lifetime DD, and proud of it.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you have to wear a special hat in timeout?

Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!

http://www.thebirdcult.net

by The Bird Cult on Nov 7, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

eff bielema made me laugh many times.

He also argued his points well.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 6, 2011 11:48 PM CST up reply actions  

What

is this basketball that you speak of??? 79-59 Iowa http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/iowa-m-baskbl-sched.html

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Take that, [redacted]'s almost-former-team!

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Does it at all surprise anyone

that Missouri directional school names are geographically correct?

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

After Graduating High School there

yes, it amazes and astounds me. There is still no convention on the pronunciation of the state…Missouri, Missour-uh, Missour-a, etc.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you talking about the state of Misery?

The one due South of us, right?

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt

by HawKCP on Nov 6, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

FUCK

you beat me to it.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

called it that for 3 months when I found out I had to move there and go to 9th grade (in Junior High) after leaving Junior High in Iowa City…

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Junior high is bad enough

serving that time in MO is like Pelican bay.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Columbia has a fucked up system

K-5 Grammar 6-7 Middle 8-9 Junior 10-12 High School…that’s 4 school chanes in 6 years…and is an absolute tax on your friendmaking abilities…trying to keep all of your aliases under control is hard.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

For me
is an absolute tax on your friendmaking abilities

this was the amount of time I wore sweat pants to school.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’ve never been a jeans person, so it was either cargo pants or wind pants for me :*(

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Not parachute pants?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I graduated High School in '07

hate to break it to you, but Parachute pants haven’t been in stores since I’ve been alive

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I was a weird kid

I started making friends when I started knocking people on their ass in football and wrestling.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean other families don't hand them down as heirlooms?

And here I was looking forward to giving my son these Houston Oilers Zubaz.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

There's a reason I kept my baby fat..

I don’t think my dad hit that fashion trend…thank the lord…plus I wasn’t EMO/Goth/THAT kind of outcast…I was a band geek

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I will ALWAYS be a band geek.

Don’t ever let go of that, kid.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Had to

Band Director Fired Junior Year…still love sitting by the band at Hawkeye games though.

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

go fuck a flute already

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Weird

You don’t want to get an STD (Sonically Transmitted Disease)

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Nov 6, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Sadly, had my share of flutists.

I married a vocalist and it’s worked out pretty well for me.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought they were floutists?

I am uneducated in the charms of band girls.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.

by therealCatnuts on Nov 6, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Both work.

But brass players are more fun; vibrating lips and whatnot.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Nov 6, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately

not many chicks in the brass section…

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

True.

I played trombone. I had a crush on the only female trombonist.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 7, 2011 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Only Floutists

when they’re quality, flutists when they suck rather than blow…

Packers...Hawkeyes, need I say more?

by dirtydave on Nov 6, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm out for the night gents.

Got a biology and a math test tomorrow, politics quiz Tuesday, and a high points of microbiology quiz on Wednesday. Plus a head gasket on a 2.2l Pontiac to do for the mother-in-law. See ya later.

by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Nov 6, 2011 11:24 PM CST reply actions  

vote

I vote for. Marcus Coker. Because………

by Taylor Webber on Nov 7, 2011 7:03 AM CST reply actions  

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