It's Not Plagiarism If You Link To It: Clemson Destroys, Bowl Talk, Football Recruiting
by PSD on Nov 30, 2011 8:00 AM CST
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Iowa took on Clemson last night in the ACC/Big Ten challenge in Carver Hawkeye Arena. The Tigers practically ran Iowa out of the gym on the way to a 71-55 victory. The Hawkeyes haven't won a game in the challenge since 2005 and are now 2-9 all-time. The loss drops Iowa to 4-3 on the year. For the third time this season freshman Josh Oglesby led Iowa in scoring with 15.
It was another bad night for Melsahn Basabe. If the Hawkeyes want to have success this season Melsahn has to break out of his early season slump. He is reportedly 24 pounds heavier than at the end of last season and is now working to lose the extra weight. According to McCaffery, "The only thing that gives me hope is he practiced well." McCaffery added, " I think offensively we can get him going, but he's not rebounding." Basabe ended the night with two points and one rebound.
Some other notes from McCaffery's post game press conference:
- Devyn Marble, who left the game late with an injury, should be fine
- Josh Oglesby may have earned a starting spot
- Marble could be starting in the near future too
- Eric May might be better suited coming off the bench
There isn't a lot on the football front this time of year. We wait for Iowa's bowl selection and maybe pay a little attention to recruiting. Monday there were numerous guesses at which bowl game will select the Hawkeyes. Rob Howe, of Hawkeye Insider, had a prediction of Iowa-Iowa State in the Insight.com Bowl. I thought that perhaps it was an attempt at page hits but according to the Gazette's Scott Dochterman the Insight is considering a rematch.
Dochterman contacted Kristen Pflipsen, PR director for the Insight, and she said "It's definitely not something we would write off." Pflipsen notes that rivalry games get the fans excited and that Iowa and Iowa State have had recent wins in the Insight.com Bowl. The Insight reps will have a decision to make, they'll more than likely get the choice of Iowa, Penn State and Ohio State.
Some recruiting news. Pat Harty, of Hawk Central, was able to scour the country and find a recruit that Iowa wasn't interested in. Cedrick Poutasi is an offensive lineman from Las Vegas, Nevada who holds offers from Oklahoma State, Arizona State and others. Poutasi reached out to Iowa but the staff showed no interest, as I'm sure they do to 100's of recruits each year. Harty concluded his article with "Poutasi still needs to meet the academic requirements for an incoming freshman, but that his grades are OK."
The Hawkeyes made Faith Ekakitie's top four. Ekakitie is a defensive lineman from Lake Forest, Illinois and will choose between Iowa, Northwestern, Georgia Tech and Boston College.
Ekakitie is rated four stars by Rivals but fell out of the latest Top 250 that was released this week. A few other potential targets also fell from the Top 250, they are linebacker Quanzell Lambert, offensive lineman Jordan Diamond and running back Greg Garmon. Hawkeye commit Ryan Ward is #84 and Jaleel Johnson is #160.
Jaleel Johnson's Montini High School won an Illinois state title Saturday. The game was held at Champaign, Illinois and televised by Comcast Chicago (highlights). I had a chance to watch the first hour or so and have a few obsevations of Johnson's performance.
He certainly was the biggest kid on the field. At 6'2" and close to 300 pounds he stood out along the defensive line. I felt he needs a lot of coaching at the college level. His technique off the snap was poor and his conditioning needs work. He had a tendency to get locked in with his man, sometimes pushing him four to five yards into the backfield. He certainly displayed strength and power, but it's his job to use his arms to get separation and find the ball. It appeared he was working in a one-on-one blocking drill and not a live game. I didn't like his pursuit at times and felt he took plays off, perhaps due to poor conditioning.
Johnson has the frame to become a solid Big Ten defensive tackle. After a couple of seasons of collegiate strength and conditioning I feel he can have a similar body type to that of a taller Mike Daniels. I don't feel he will be able to contribute at Iowa until he has a year of coaching and conditioning. In short, if you thought Johnson would provide Iowa instant help along the DLine, don't. Unless Johnson is an extremely hard worker this summer or Iowa suffers many injuries.
Other links of note:
- Full Big Ten Men's Hoops TV Schedule (Nov. 28-Dec. 4)
- Jess Settles is coaching Iowa Wesleyan College and won his debut
- On Iowa Podcast talks fixing Iowa football
- Former Hawkeye and current Florida State Seminole Jeff Peterson is ready to take on MSU
- Riley Reiff made his home town news
- Adam Woodbury had 13 points in his season opener
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Ten Disturbing Stats from the Clemson Game
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Am I the only one that found it a little strange that KF offered Diddy’s kid a scholarship? I saw that on the bottom line last night and chuckled. Can you imagine the circus that would pull into Iowa City when Diddy the Younger stepped onto campus?
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
He would be put in the doghouse
preemptively
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by chitownhawkeye on Nov 30, 2011 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
He signed with UCLA, but it boggled the mind that KF would even mess with it.
Unless he is clueless as to who his dad is, which is entirely possible.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Why would it matter who the dad is?
It’s not like Combs would come to Iowa City and demand changes.
by The Mexican't on Nov 30, 2011 8:48 AM CST up reply actions
P Diddy is a business man and hardly
living in hood. He is basically trying to be Ralph Lauren, and hasn’t written lyrics about the projects in 10-15 years.
The kid, if he is like most celebrity kids, has been given a fine education, provided with every possible advantage as relates to those things he is interested in. He is interested in football. So, I would expect he’s pretty decent.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
I was thinking the potential circus that might accompany someone like P. Diddy's kid would steer KF away.
As SMA said, the kid has probably gotten a good education and could very well be a decent kid. I just don’t see Ferentz going after a kid that could have a lot of non-football related attention and a father that might be more effective with meddling than most. I could be way off-base, too.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Any reservations KF had
were probably soothed by Barta’s phone call describing the donations to the University his father might make. And also, the amount of attention Iowa Football would get because P DIDDY’S KID PLAYS HERE!! (Attention is always good for recruiting)
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Papa Didddy is worth $500 million dollars
I could think of a few reasons why he would just in case diddy was in a giving mood
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Nov 30, 2011 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
Would Diddy shut down the studio?
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by BentNotBroken on Nov 30, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Some crack reporting by PHarty
Also, thanks to PSD for the abundance of info in the INPIYLTI posts. Great way to start out my mornings.
BORK BORK BORK
Nice work indeed.
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by BentNotBroken on Nov 30, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
What ever the football team has, the basketball team has now too.
As in lackluster play, no offense, no defense. Is it time to fire KOK? He might be the vector of the infection.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 30, 2011 8:24 AM CST reply actions
Really, IMHO, the problem is mainly offense for both units
neither team apparently wants to score and a solid to OK defense can only do so much. I’m guessing but I don’t think Iowa scored more than 4 points off of 15 Clemson turnovers.
Defenses rely on offensive sparks, our offenses just seem unwilling to be aggressive and it really boggles the mind.
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by BentNotBroken on Nov 30, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
Huh. Better than I thought. Most came late in the 2nd half? Momentum was never in our favor after the first 5 minutes
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by BentNotBroken on Nov 30, 2011 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
The basketball offense was definitely too passive at times last night, but they were also missing everything.
There were times they’d drive to the rim and get a good look… miss.
There were times they’d get an easy putback attempt… miss.
There were times they’d get wide open jump shots… miss.
Hell, they tried just driving the lane and getting fouled… and then they’d miss those. (Although I guess at 20/22 they didn’t miss too many of them. The misses stick out, though.)
Rinse, repeat. I’m not sure what they can do other than “practice shooting a lot.”
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Shooting is confidence
I think Fran is going to build around Oglesby and hope that kid can inspire the others to buck-up and hit shots. The only players who do not lack confidence right now are Oglesby, White and McCabe and probably Marble (he kept chucking despite missing everything).
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Like punting is winning?
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by The Bird Cult on Nov 30, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
At some point in 2000
The football team got pasted, yet again. I remember finding some Hawkeye blog and asking if maybe Ferentz was the wrong guy… it didn’t look like any freakin’ progress had been made and shouldn’t we expect them to be a least somewhat better in year 2?
He got it turned around though, and I still have faith Fran will right the ship. But he better do it quick because if we keep getting our asses kicked by every decent team on the schedule, it’s gonna be ugly by the end of the season, and I just do not want to see that happen.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Ahhhhhhhhhh F it
why would we want a decent recruit…that would not allow us to coach him up way beyond his abilities. We only get no name 2 stars and make them lift weights until they come to near death and then we coach them up beyond their abilities by making them play the simplest forms of football (4-3 with no blitzing & I Form power running with a PA pass every now and then)
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That is actually part of Ferentz's recruiting pitch.
Is it Ferentz’s? Or Ferentz’? Or Ferii?
by TangerinePony on Nov 30, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Pat Harty?
Where in the article did Pat put forth the effort to dig one level (google Rivals or Scout?) and see that Iowa already has two OL commits, have other offers out, and the OL slots are already filled. This class needs more DL, LB and RB.
There could be 50 4-star OL recruits that switch their interest to Iowa, but Kirk won’t offer them because he needs recruits he can feed to AIRBHG and AIDLHG and AILBHG.
Oh – and the kid is a risky student.
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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 30, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
#occupypatharty
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by BentNotBroken on Nov 30, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
And from the article sounds like
His ego is as high as his rating.
by The KF Karate Chop on Nov 30, 2011 11:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You realize all the quotes in the article
were from his principal, an Iowa fan, and not him, right? But why let that kid in the way of a chance to denigrate a 17-18 year old.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Anyone know a good foot and mouth doctor?
I need my foot removed from my mouth. Didnt read close enough obviously. My apologies to the kid. I forget what its like to be 17 sometimes, even though he didnt say those things, as you pointed out.
by The KF Karate Chop on Nov 30, 2011 2:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not even getting into the issue of his riskiness
because it’s too speculative. But, also the kid’s interest/offer sheet is almost entirely West Coast teams, certainly west of the Rockies. Of the 20 or so teams, only Iowa, OK State, Vanderbilt and SMU (and what a weird group that is) are in anything in the Central or Eastern time zones. Coupled with the fact that Nevada is a state/region we don’t really recruit — the merits of that are an entirely separate conversation — and this just screams an instance where it’s more effort than the coaches think will pay off.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
All great points, Hoya
And to all those pissed we didn’t get the kid, when’s the last time we got somebody from west of the Dakotas?
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by Brock8144 on Nov 30, 2011 3:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know
there is a lot of talent out there. But, again, that is entirely separate conversation
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
"when’s the last time we got somebody from west of the Dakotas?"
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
by RossWB on Nov 30, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Iowa goes as Basabe goes i guess
he really shouldnt start the next game, nor should May. you need to go with the guys who are out producing and right now Oglesby and White are those guys.
a few other observations
I liked Marble’s effort all night, but he should really pass the ball more on fast breaks
Woodbury is a huge get for us. we need a reliable big and hopefully he is that guy. At this point we should just put in the best defender of the three bigs we have, since they arent doing anything on offense
Iowa is really very good at getting turnovers, now if only we could score.
we should consider doing a different type of defense this season.
Oglesby’s pass into a clemson player right before going out of bounds to make it Iowa ball was the best play of the night
i find that rebounding numbers from bigs is a good indicator of who is giving the best effort out there. McCabe had good rebounding numbers because he went for the ball, boxed out, and generally did what a big was supposed to do, Basabe had bad numbers because he stood and watched. i get that he is heavy, but thats no excuse for just standing there and doing nothing.
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Nov 30, 2011 9:47 AM CST reply actions
I haven't seen much of the basketball team this year, but
how did Basabe end up 24 pounds heavier than a year ago? I know they had him hitting the weights in the off-season, but 24 pounds? Really? I did not know he was that over-weight. That screams 1) he might not work that hard, and 2) this has the makings of a long campaign for him. Hope I’m wrong and he’s running tirelessly to shed weight and get a little bounce back in his step, but that’s a lot of weight to drop.
We go through this dance a few times a year with May. He’s better suited as a starter. He’s better suited coming off the bench. I think it’s time that he comes off the bench. Ogelsby has earned his time, and while Marble shoots a lot, at least he gives off something resembling confidence.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
Is he rooming with Brennan Cougill?
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by HawkOnRails on Nov 30, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Donuts of course. Duh.
Breakfast of champions, baby!
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by The Bird Cult on Nov 30, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
And when just a regular donut gets old
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by The Bird Cult on Nov 30, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
I'll have two.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Nov 30, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
I must admit. I'm intrigued.
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by The Bird Cult on Nov 30, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
In the Morehouse/Dochterman podcast from Monday
they discussed this a little bit. As I recall, they mentioned something about the coaches overshooting the mark on where they thought he needed to be, weight-wise.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Too many Pokey sticks, I bet.
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by therealCatnuts on Nov 30, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
Haha
I still remember that phone number too all these years later. It’s (sadly) one of the few numbers I actually know without having to look it up in my cell phone.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Nov 30, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, what's a Pokey stick, and...
Is this something I really need to know?
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by The Bird Cult on Nov 30, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
cheese bread
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Nov 30, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget the absurd amount of garlic seasoning and the marinara and ranch dipping sauces!
Basically a must-order after a big night out. I loved the Huger Huge from Home Team, but unfornately they went under after my freshman year. In the battle between Paul Revere’s Terminator and Gumby’s Pokey Sticks, Pokey Sticks won.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
Home Team!
Man, that was some cheap (and bad) pizza…
Paul Revere’s delivered TACOS, which made them kind of awesome.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
home team always tasted that they hadn't quite fully rinsed the pizza pan off after they washed
just enough dishsoap taste to make you notice something amiss, but not enough where you’d gag and call to get your money back
coincidentally, chinese breath mints taste like dishsoap.
meh
Who made Wedgies?
My all-time fave ‘ordering food because there’s no food on Sunday nights’ meal.
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by HawkeyeGirleye on Dec 1, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, & Big Mike's
Delivering an awesome sandwich @2am (or 3am or 4am)- so so very yummy.
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by HawkeyeGirleye on Dec 1, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Seriously? I've had enough of them for a year.
Would that game really get people to book a trip in droves? I’m not sure it would.
Would Iowa beating Texas A&M in the bowl game count as a win over an SEC team?
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 30, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Serious. Iowa football needs a wake up call. Getting a rematch w/ISU could be the gut check this team needs.
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by BentNotBroken on Nov 30, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think so.
we lose to ISU pretty regularly as is, I would hardly say any of the previous loses have produced any sort of wake up call.
playing ISU is a no win scenario.
Except this matchup would actually be a bowl game
beating ISU is a win scenario for Iowa
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by BentNotBroken on Nov 30, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
The only reason I would like that game would be for Iowa's chance to refill the trophy case
One. Trophy. At. A. Time. With malice.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 30, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I can get behind that idea.
If the next trophy we put in there is from a bowl win over ISU, that’s a start and with more malice than simply reclaiming the Cy-Hawk trophy.
I just don’t think people outside of Iowa/ISU fans would tune into the game, though, so from a ratings perspective, it would be a disaster.
Attendance would probably be fine, going bowling for ISU is always a treat and Iowa fans wouldn’t want to be out-traveled by ISU fans.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Insight hasn't had a national brand-type team since 2004
When somehow Notre Dame went there. And, for several of those years they were on a TV network that essentially nobody got. I guess I don’t think Iowa/ISU is that much worse than Iowa/Mizzou or, better yet, ISU/Minnesota.
That being said, I think it’s a longshot. But it’s probably the most compelling possible matchup we could get in this postseason.
by Luke Recker No-Look Pass on Nov 30, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
This
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by BentNotBroken on Nov 30, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
But how depressing would it be to, God-forbid, lose to ISU twice in one season
The fans would be absolutely insufferable.
by DJK's bongwater on Nov 30, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
I don't see a rematch happening
You can’t expect an honest answer out of any Bowl Game officials right now, so ignore what they say.
Attendance risks are pretty high. We were just there last year and we play ISU every year. TV Ratings will be strong in Iowa, non-existant elsewhere.
I don’t see how any bowl picks Iowa over PSU or OSU this year. Even with the scandal.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I'm not so sure the the television rating would be horrible...
Insight bowl is the only bowl going on during the time frame and it’s a Friday night, so people who want to watch some college football really only have that game as an option.
by iowaengineer on Nov 30, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Especially considering kickoff is at 8:00pm
Arizona time, which probably makes it too late for anyone east of Illinois to care.
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by Give Eddie a Beer on Nov 30, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, but... fuck ISU
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by The Bird Cult on Nov 30, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
Sure. Fuck ISU. Makes them even a better bowl oppenent I say.
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by BentNotBroken on Nov 30, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
So there's some scuttlebutt that Dayne Crist could be pulling a Russell Wilson and heading to Wisconsin.
He’s apparently graduating from Notre Dame this year and will still have a year of eligibility left. I don’t think he’s nearly as good as Wilson (there’s a reason he’s gotten benched at least twice at ND and it wasn’t just injuries), but it would be interesting to see them going the FA route again, basically.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Ryan Katz, Oregon State QB
has also announced he will transfer and play somewhere else for a season. Haven’t heard where but Pandora’s box is open.
seriously?
Yep.
My guess is Wilson-style success stories will be few and far between, though. He was a really good QB who walked into a perfect situation at Wisconsin. Remember Masoli at Ole Miss? That didn’t work out so well. I think Crist will be a flop if he goes somewhere else. I don’t know much about Katz.
I don’t have a problem with kids doing it if they can, though. If you complete your degree in 3-4 years and still want to play CFB, more power to you. It seems silly to punish a guy in any way for being a good student.
Shit, I wonder if Wienke would consider it here if he has his degree done (no idea about that). Of course I’m not sure who would be beating down the door for him since he’s thrown, what, one pass in his Iowa career?
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
If Wienke was going to transfer, I think he would have done it already
The writing’s been on the wall for a while – he has to have known he’s going to be the backup since Vandy’s OSU game. If he really wanted to play, he would have gone the FCS route.
by DJK's bongwater on Nov 30, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Wienke just likes being a student at Iowa
Whose schooling is being paid for. And theres always the possibility that AIQBHG decides to wake up and open some whoop ass on the QB depth charts…
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by The Bird Cult on Nov 30, 2011 2:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Voldemort's dead, silly
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by The Bird Cult on Nov 30, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
In addition
NC State pretty much pushed Wilson out the door. A little different situation than with Crist and Katz.
by StewMonkey13 on Nov 30, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Source for NC State kicking Wilson out the door?
It’s common knowledge that Wilson wanted to dabble in minor league baseball last summer, but NC State told him not too. They wanted him to choose between football and baseball.
He chose football, and found a school that was OK with him not spending the summer reading the playbook.
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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 30, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
If we were really serious about this whole educashion thang
We would make all freshman intelligible to play. Period. From Div III to Div 1-A.
That might make more players jump to pro developmental leagues but big deal… Let’s have college sports for kids that want to go to college first.
I know this an old discussion topic but I think it would better for college athletics if we did this…
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by The Bird Cult on Nov 30, 2011 2:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ironically, you make an intelligible point...
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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 30, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Thankyoui'mgladimmakingsense
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by The Bird Cult on Nov 30, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Given what's on Wisconsin's bench
I can see Bielema doing anything rather than having to play one of their backups. Somewhat relatedly, is Ball a junior (or RS sophomore)? God, I hope so. Kid needs to go pro before we have to face them again
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
He's a junior.
If he doesn’t go pro after this year (and I have no idea why he wouldn’t; even if his measurables aren’t elite — and I’m sure they’re not — there’s zero upside to him hanging around another year unless he badly wants to win two Doak Walkers or something). Either way, they don’t come back on the schedule until 2013, by which point he’ll definitely be gone.
And I can see why it would be tempting for BB to grab another FA QB, but at some point you have to develop one of your own, right? How do you keep recruiting QBs of any quality if you keep going out and poaching the biggest name on the FA market? I dunno, maybe this is just a 1-2 year thing for him. It certainly worked brilliantly this year.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Don't they have some highly-rated QB committed for next year?
Yes, that would obviously not answer anything for 2012, as the odds of a true freshmen winning the job are incredibly slim. But it they think (1) Budmayr is that bad an option; (2) the recruit could start as a RS FR, then going after another free agent QB isn’t the worst idea. I don’t disagree that Wisconsin will need to develop their own QB at some point (read: now) but I don’t wonder if, assuming this is all true about Crist or Katz, it isn’t because Bielema has looked at the QB depth-chart and said “FUCK! We need someone else.”
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
They do have a pretty highly rated guy this year, although he evidently hasn't had a good SR season.
And, yeah, it makes sense if they don’t want to roll out a true freshman at QB next year and the other options are that dreadful (welcome to UW-Green Bay, Mr. Budmayr!).
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It's probably a good move for both parties
Wisconsin needs a QB next year and Crist is probably done playing at ND – he still has a redshirt year, but ND handles those differently than most schools do (If I understand it correctly, players have to apply to the school for another year, and it’s either granted or denied. I could easily be wrong though). The guys Wisconsin already have on campus are average, and Crist gives their big verbal QB, Bart Houston, time to develop – though Houston’s senior season has been a disaster and his recruiting rankings have plummeted.
But still – Crist is no Russell Wilson. They’re in a different universe talent-wise. Crist isn’t all that durable, has a questionable deep ball, and might not be that strong mentally. As Ross said, his benchings have been for more than just injuries.
Wisconsin graduates a lot off this year’s team, plus Konz and Ball appear (unsurprisingly) in several mock drafts for next year. They could take a step back next year – not a huge one, not with their line play and penchant for smash-mouth football in an era of pass-happy spread attacks – but it isn’t outlandish to think they might struggle next year.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
Dayne Crist at UW?
Leaving the school with Touchdown Christ?
To be coached at UW by O-Coordinator Paul Chryst?
Cripes!
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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 30, 2011 1:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I really think Paul Chryst is "Gone, Baby, Gone"
from Wisky after this year. He’ll be in high demand, as a HC possibility. And if he doesn’t jump know, his star will really begin to wane and lead to questions about his desire that would make getting a HC possibility a lot harder in the future.
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I think I read somewhere that he's a candidate at Illinois.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
Why would any coach with any sort of ambition go to Illinois?
Illinois is where, for coaches’ careers, the football equivalent of an elephant goes to die.
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by The Bird Cult on Nov 30, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
Great question
There was a recent article in the Sun-Times about how Illinois is routinely crushed in recruiting Chicago. Iowa (the current winner in Chicago according to one coach), Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Michigan, even Indiana are all currently doing better in the Chicagoland area than Illinois, and it’s been like that for some time now.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
I've driven through Chambana but never been there
But I can kind of understand why Chicagoland kids would prefer to go to those schools rather than downstate Illinois. Ann Arbor is a bit of a drive from Chicago but its a pretty straight shot on 80/90 to 94, Madtown isn’t that far away, neither is ND or Iowa if you’re a kid from the western ’burbs.
Plus all of the schools you’ve mentioned have had more success (even ND) over the last decade than Illinois has had (or at least the perception of success).
Now, I do think the right coach can win at Illinois, but I think its such a difficult place to compete with the above mentioned schools, over the long run, that most of the “right” fits pass it up. Its too much of a risk to take with your coaching career to think about staying long-term at Illinois if its going to be difficult to stay above .500, and its a scary enough place to win that if you do manage to overcome their fan apathy, if you somehow manage to win, you’d better have an escape plan to a better school once you’ve proven yourself.
The only reason Illinois doesn’t suck as much as IU in football is because of its promixity to Chicago and the fact you can get better talent to come to it because of proximity. Chambana is a long drive but its all interstate. It will eventually be interrstate to Bloomington – it sort of is now — but its still out of the way if you’re a CHicago or Detroit kid being recruited there, and if you are from the Louisville or Cincy areas you’re more likely to attend one of those schools as they’ve had more recent success in football.
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by The Bird Cult on Nov 30, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
Having been to Chambana for football in 2004 and basketball in 2005-2006
I can understand why kids go to Iowa, ND, Michigan, and Wisconsin over Illinois (I’d be more than a little upset about losing recruits to IU, however). Basketball is a bit different – they do extremely well all over the state, and Assembly Hall is a fun place to watch a game and an insanely tough place to play – but in football, it’s tough to attact recruits in comparison to the above-mentioned schools (except IU).
I seem to remember the football field and Assembly Hall being bordered by corn fields. That may have changed since my last stop there, however.
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Assembly Hall is bordered by nothing.
Just parking lots & empty fields (tailgating space in football season). The South Farms (U of I’s school of Ag place) are right there too.
MemStad is also surrounded by open lots and misc campusy stuff, with a big-ass cemetery to the east.
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by Bucketochicken on Dec 2, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Harty wrote story about searching for some odor in Carver-Hawkeye
I could smell it from 1,300 miles away while watching the game last night. It must be real.
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Good thing CRACK INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER PAT HARTY is on the case!
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by RossWB on Nov 30, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The photoshop kind of makes him look like Drudge with a bad case of gout.
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