Minnesota 22, Iowa 21: Welcome To The Queso Bowl
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Good news, Iowa fans! No need to make bowl plans this year. Think of all the money you'll save by staying home for the holidays. Iowa sits at a thoroughly meh-tastic 5-3 with two-thirds of the season in the books -- and that was the easy portion of the schedule. Iowa faces three ranked opponents in November and right now looks unlikely to be favored in a single game. To get to six wins and give us an opportunity to even entertain the possibility of spending Christmas in beautiful Detroit, Iowa will need to pull a win out of their asses. First up is Michigan, led by Denard Robinson, aka the gazillionaire man's MarQueis Gray -- the same Gray who shredded Iowa in the fourth quarter, of course. After that Iowa entertains Michigan State, who will likely blitz Vandenberg into a quivering pile of goo. The penultimate game sees Iowa hit the road to take on Our Most Hated Rival, and while they're not especially good this year... neither are we. And we're downright terrible on the road. And the season ends with a road date in Lincoln -- against a Nebraska game that just stonewalled last week's Big Ten darlings, Michigan State. If you can find a win there, you're relying on irrelevant historical trends (Michigan State doesn't win in Kinnick! Iowa's won two in a row over Michigan! Iowa always plays one inexplicably good game!), the "Iowa plays better as an underdog" meme or blind faith. Let me know how that works out for you.
Good news, Albert Young! You no longer hold the dubious Iowa record of best rushing performance in a loss. Your 202-yard, 2 TD performance against Northwestern in 2005 has officially been eclipsed by Marcus Coker's 252-yard, 2 TD performance today. What a goddamn waste. How do you have a 250-yard rusher and almost 450 yards of offense and still lose? Hello, offensive inefficiency. Look, this game was in so many ways a 2010 special, complete with a fourth quarter defensive meltdown and special teams miscues aplenty, but the offense holds plenty of blame, too -- just as it did last year. Yards are nice, but yards are fairly meaningless without points. Iowa took the ball inside the Minnesota 35 seven different times on Saturday... and four times came away with zero points. Four times! They turned the ball over on downs at the Minnesota 31, missed a 24-yard field goal, missed a 43-yard field goal, and lost the ball on a strip-sack at the Minnesota 14. That is precisely how you keep an overmatched underdog in the game and give them an opportunity to pull the upset.
Good news, the script hasn't changed! Would you believe that Iowa was again the victim of a trick play on special teams? Would you believe that Iowa was victim to the exact same trick play that the exact same opponent pulled last year? Would you believe I'm not kidding at all? Look, I know an onside kick in a one-score game with 8:22 to go is not the most conventional call. But there were good reasons for Iowa to think it was a possibility. One, the only thing stopping Iowa's offense most of the day was Iowa themselves (with the assistance of the odd big Minnesota defensive play), so it doesn't take an oracle to think that Jerry Kill might decide that he has better odds of recovering an onside kick (especially an "unexpected" onside kick) than giving the ball back to Iowa and hoping his defense can get a stop. Two, Minnesota knew we weren't expecting it and that would be vulnerable to it -- we've proven it time and time again in the past. Unfortunately, that speaks to a larger problem, which is that Iowa is utterly predictable -- every coach on our schedule knows what we will do -- and what we won't do -- and that makes it easy for them to scheme for and around our tendencies. That leaves Iowa with nothing to do but try to out-execute the opposition, since the element of surprise has been surgically removed from the gameplans. We've heard it in the past from teams like Northwestern, who claimed to know the exact plays we were running; here Jerry Kill knew exactly how Ferentz would behave -- and attacked accordingly.
Good news, Ken O'Keefe is off his meds! Wait, that isn't even good news ironically. O'Keefe has been a popular whipping boy among Iowa fans for, oh, pretty much ever, often unfairly. But he did not call a good game today at all, especially in the second half. The 446 yards of offense might seem to say otherwise, but don't listen to them -- that has more to do with the general ineptitude of Minnesota's defense than anything else. First, the playcalling on the first few drives. Yes, Coker was running the ball well... but Marvin McNutt was in single coverage with the Minnesota cornerback on a number of plays -- why not exploit that? Second, let's talk about the play-action pass on 3rd and 4 from the Minnesota 14. Why call a slow-developing pass play for a quarterback that struggles to read the blitz and against a defense that loves to blitz? Meanwhile, Marcus Coker had only had six runs of six or more yards earlier on that drive. Yes, he'd stuffed for no gain on 2nd down, but still: Coker was money more often than not today. Third, what in the hell was that last drive? You have over 2:30 left in the game, a timeout in your pocket, college rules that stop the clock on every first down, and a running back that had gobbled up over 250 yards already in the game (and who couldn't have been that tired, since the offense had been off the field for over ten minutes of game action (and at least double that in real time)... so you go five wide exclusively and don't even try to run the ball? How does that seem like a good idea at all? Not to mention that it reduces the number of blockers available to stop Minnesota's blitzers.
Good news, the coaches aren't the only ones who had terrible games! For as terrible as many of the coaching decisions were today, they can't claim all the blame -- pretty much every player not named "Marvin McNutt" or "Marcus Coker" was a key party to this disgrace. James Vandenberg? Through ten games as a starter, he still can't read a blitz to save his goddamn life (nor can he audible into a pass play when the greatest receiver in Iowa history has single coverage by an undersized Minnesota defender, apparently). Riley Reiff? You're not cashing NFL checks yet, son, so quit the ole blocking -- he appeared to get burned badly by a simple speed rush on a few of the sacks. His first round draft grade looks laughable with the way he's played this year. Shaun Prater? Hate to break it to you, man, but pre-season all-conference cornerbacks don't get burned over the top as much as you have this year. Michael Meyer? Your job is to kick the ball -- including field goals. It is not your job to inexplicably miss a chip shot field goal and bonk another one off the crossbar. Brad Herman and Jason White? I know it's a pressure-packed situation, I know the offensive playcalling was dumb, and I know Vandenberg was jittery... but you still can't afford to drop relatively easy catches there. (And an extra raspberry to the coach who decided that Herman, he of the many drops this year, deserved a spot on the field more than the tight end who actually made a diving, acrobatic catch earlier in the game. Best of luck with your transfer this off-season, C.J. Hope you find a school that can actually use you.) Pretty much every Iowa defensive player? Tackling at first contact -- have you heard of it? You might want to give it a try. (And another extra raspberry to the coach who decided that James Morris should still be playing on a bad ankle. It's clearly limiting his effectiveness -- he's limping off the goddamn field. Playing him at three-quarters speed isn't doing anyone any favors.)
Good news, this is not just a lousy team -- it is a stupid team, too. Huzzah for diversity! I don't know what explanation there is other than gross stupidity when this team keeps falling prey to the exact same crap over and over and over and over. Running quarterbacks, soft coverage, baffling offensive play-calling, special teams incompetence: this same shit has been leading to losses (or near-losses) for quite a while now. The only way a loss to Minnesota yesterday might have been remotely palatable was if half the team had contracted swine flu and Iowa had to field a reserve team. (Which didn't happen. I think -- the swine flu part, I mean.) That's a roundabout way of saying that a loss would have felt terrible under 99% of circumstances... but it really feels terrible when it occurs under THE EXACT SAME CIRCUMSTANCES that have bedeviled Iowa so frequently in the recent past. And ultimately the blame for that has to fall on the coaches, and Ferentz especially since he's the man at the top of the ladder.
Look, I like Ferentz. I think he's been a wonderful ambassador for the program, the university, and the state and I know he and his wife have done a lot for the community. I am deeply grateful for his coaching accomplishments, too: 2002-2004 were fantastic and the Orange Bowl win was tremendous, among others. I'm well aware that the grass isn't always greener: I still remember the Tom Davis-Steve Alford transition, after all. And in football terms, we don't have to look far (Iowa State, Minnesota) to find examples of schools who struggled after firing coaches for the crime of being good but not "good enough." But something clearly isn't working with the current approach. This operation has become stagnant and all-too-predictable. Something needs to change. If Ferentz himself can't engineer those changes, Barta may have no choice but to find someone who can -- he can ill afford for the heart of the Iowa athletic department to break down (this year may have been a sellout even in the wake of last year's disappointment, but that isn't going to last if Iowa continues to flirt with .500 or worse and lose to the likes of Iowa State and Minnesota). I hope he can figure out a solution -- but I'm losing more and more faith in that each week.
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Amen brother...
The toughest thing to stomach was the play-calling on Iowa’s last possession. Horrific.
Bring on wrestling…hell, bring on basketball.
Jose mourinho
Could do a better job of playcalling than what was witnessed yesterday
by SeeYouJimmy on Oct 30, 2011 4:35 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Great post
Especially the last paragraph. I think he’s a nice guy too, but… he’s not getting the job done. Yesterday was a regression back to 1999…
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
http://www.thebirdcult.net
Time for New Blood
And I’m not necessarily talking about Ferentz. If we can woo Chuck Long and Mike Stoops as Offensive and Defensive Coordinators respectively, why wouldn’t we?
I may love the Steelers, but I live and die by my Hawkeyes.
by HawkeyeFrake on Oct 31, 2011 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Because they would still report to Ferentz
So nothing would change, basically.
Life is hard. It's really hard if you're stupid.
Looks like
we’re going tohave to wait untill 2012 for Vandenberg to get his first road win. Maybe Iowa should go with a 2 QB system, Vandenberg at Kinnick, and anybody else for road games.
A little harsh on Vandenberg
He is the least of this team’s issues. He is missing some tough blitz pick ups but his blind side should always be protected. Some of that has to fall on the o-line. He had 8 incompletions with a minimum of 4 of those being true drops.
Vandy's First road win?
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Vandy win in the Hump Dump 2 yrs ago?
it was at kinnick
We haven’t played at Minny three years in a row. That game Iowa played terrible too.
by iowabeakster on Oct 30, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I stand corrected.
Should have known it hasn’t been at MN 3 yrs in a row.
Recruiting
Something is seriously messed up. How many BCS teams have as many walk-ons playing as we do? For every Dallas Clark story there are 25 which do not pan out. Who the hell are we recruiting, and why are we not keeping the them?
Why the fuck was Jason White even on the field yesterday?
Hameed
by Hawkruqui on Oct 30, 2011 7:49 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Iowa's best recruiting tool is W's
In the last 6 & 1/2 years we haven’t had nearly enough of them. 2008 was good (thanks Shonn!) 2009 was magic and, I’m afraid to say, looking like a big fluke.
Top recruits want to go to winners. Iowa is not a winning program, we’re average. Plus, we just do the same shit over and over…. how is that going to attract studs?
I hate to say it, but we may as well get used to 6 – 8 wins from now until KF retires. We aren’t going to Pasadena, we aren’t going to Indy, and we aren’t beating ranked teams very damned often. We’re going to be a middle of the pack B1G team.
And Kirk Ferentz seems to be pretty OK with that.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
by Flakbait on Oct 30, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think they also want to have a little fun, too.
The defense cannot be having fun sitting back in soft coverage while average QB’s have career days against us. The offense cannot be having fun while we run the same vanilla plays we’ve been running since 1999.
KF says we’re “not sexy.” Well, players WANT a little sexy, every so often. Actually, I think our recruiting has been pretty good, but there is a lot of attrition. I also expect some of the asst coaches don’t make being an Iowa player much fun, either. You can guess as to which one or ones I am speaking of.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Oct 30, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS.
So, so, so much this. This is why I’d take Bielema as a coach is a nanosecond. I don’t even care about the end-game brainfarts or … whatever. He’s the type of coach you want leading college kids. It’s not the NFL; football isn’t their job. It should still be fun. I just don’t see Kirkbot 1000 making much of anything fun.
And yeah, the recruiting of late has actually been good, if not great. It’s the attrition that’s killing us. And can you blame them? “Homesick” my ass. Those kids probably just felt bamboozled. And like Ross says above, expect more of the same this winter. Whether it’s CJ, or one of the other highly-touted underclassmen (Law? Lomax? Campbell? Hamilton? Rudock?), you can pretty well guarantee there will be some who say “fuck this” and transfer to… anywhere but Iowa.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's an interesting theory
and pretty believable that guys are leaving because they get bored. I remember an interview with some 5 star linebacker years ago who said he wanted to go somewhere that blitzed a lot, had complex schemes and seemed fun. Oddly, Iowa was not mentioned anywhere in that interview.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
He’s the type of coach you want leading college kids.
Wrong. College football is about teaching young men to be good men who can lead and contribute to everything around them. It’s not supposed to be about douchebag coaches who are teaching young men to what? Be smug and satisfied in victory?
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Oct 30, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, that was poorly worded.
What I mean is that he’s the type of coach college-age kids want to play for.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoa
You know you need to cool off and take a step back when you want Bielema.
by Chief Okemos on Oct 30, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I would hate winning games every once in a while.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
And doing so in a fun, no-holds-barred fashion, a la Conan crushing his enemies, etc.
That would be stinky-in-the-potty, for sure.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
isn't he 0-2 in close games in the last two weeks?
He loses too many close games. He’s a horrible coach.
by rupertj on Oct 30, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm with you, Rupert.
And knowing that probably made you change your mind.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, because if there's one thing Kirk Ferentz does, it's win close games.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Because he went to and lost the Rose Bowl and because his team is still better than Iowa even if he can't coach a road game against a good opponent.
Also: Even though Bielema has the smug persona of a corrupt politician (Jim Traficant for Wisconsin defensive coordinator), I dunno, I kinda feel like he puts his team in much better positions than Ferentz is right now.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Oct 30, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
EXACTLY.
AND his kids look like they’re having fun, playing with fire, and aren’t mortally terrified of making an error.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Because his losses are to Michigan State and Ohio State
Ours are to Minnesota and Iowa State.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
good to know. then I can expect that no one will ever again bring up the losses to OSU and UW from last season
since losing close games to good teams means they don’t count.
I don't care so much about those two, at least those teams were better than us.
It’s the Arizona, NW, Minnesota, and should’ve-been Indiana losses that piss me off.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Right. If rupertj wants, we won't mention those.
(probably will, though) we’ll just mention the other three to inferior opponents.
meh
This is the "embrace the grind" bullshit coming back to bite us.
It’s become Ferentz’s second mantra after “Next Man In”, and for every kid like Tyler Sash who takes it as a motto, there are a half-dozen who want to have fun playing a game that they’re basically playing for free. This isn’t the Baltimore fucking Ravens, Kirk: There are no playoffs, 8-4 isn’t a Super Bowl-caliber season, and the “grind” doesn’t come with millions of dollars.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Remember the Evy interview
somebody posted a link to a few weeks back? Evy emphasized that the players needed to be having fun. He said they listened to the team and even used formations, plays and concepts that the players suggested so long as they understood it well enough to coach it. He basically said “this is a game, if you’re not having fun what’s the point”
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Yeah, but Evy only put what, four guys in the NFL?
Pffffffffffffffffff, what did he know?
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Evy didn't have a nice winning streak against PSU.
And he wore a fur coat and smoked cigars. We don’t need those kind of distractions here at Iowa.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
He also said this:
“You’ve got to play to win. There’s a very tricky shading of meaning here. When the game is over, it’s not important whether you won. But during the game, it’s vitally important that you win. Not to look good, but to win!
“And then if you’ve left your guts on the football field and you can say to yourself, ‘I left everything I had out there, and if I had it to do tomorrow I couldn’t do it any better,’ then there’s no disgrace in losing.”
When was the last time we could say this after a loss, whether to a good team or a bad one?
by BamaGatorHawk on Oct 31, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Totally.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, at least not millions of dollars for the players.
(Yeah, I’m still really fucking pissed)
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish I was pissed
I’m in a state of “fuck it, nothing is going to change anytime soon because it just won’t” blah. Pissed would be an improvement.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Spot on
Nobody is scared to play us. Oh, true freshman QB who’s first start is going to be on the road? No problem! We’ll make you look and feel like. 2005 Vince Young!
Coker might be the only person on the team who shows emotion, and I’m curious if the coaches make him run laps because of it. Is getting fired up against the rules now or what?
Couple shots of Vandy on the sidelines looking bored out of his mind yesterday. That bode real well for us.
Hameed
by Hawkruqui on Oct 30, 2011 11:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The Opposite of Scared
We are Northwestern and Indiana’s big game every year. Every. Year. End of discussion.
by Billy Happel's Soft But Manly Hands on Oct 30, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
High academic standards = High attrition rate
Also, I’d like to point out a difference between recruiting and recruiters. There’s no reason the Hawks can’t go after the best players in the nation when Boise State does it.
How in the hell do they explain that eyesore of a field? The small town backwardness, the livestock looking coeds? Yet Boise State has the inside track to the title game this year.
by Vandy's Mom Digs Me on Oct 30, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Is their recruiting really that good?
I don’t remember their classes being ranked very highly.
They look awesome because they play three real programs a year.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
And more often than not,
they smoke those three or so programs.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really true, if you honestly look.
http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/BoiseState.htm
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
At least their coaches win those games
against teams everyone knows should be vastly better.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to imply that they have the best players
Only that they are able to recruit good players to attend there. If they can do it, anybody can. I know there schedule’s soft, but they win. Top ten finishes repeatedly.
When people say that Iowa’s a small rural state, and tough to recruit to, they are only making excuses. TV exposure negates that. Go out and get excellent athletes.
by Vandy's Mom Digs Me on Oct 30, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
To a certain extent, I disagree.
Boise became the hot-shit-brand with the win over OU.
Iowa doesn’t have a similar situation. We’d have to win a Rose Bowl as a severe underdog to an Oregon or a USC. I’m not even sure an upset of Stanford would do it.
Also, as far as I know, Boise has very little in the way of academic standards (weren’t they basically a community college about 30 or so years ago?) They can take great athletes who are bad students from California. Iowa can’t really do the same.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
You are 4 to 5 hours from several major metropolitan areas (Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Des Moines (to an extent), Omaha) and last I checked college kids don’t typically want to have mommy and daddy right over their shoulders. There’s more than enough talent out there.
Ugh
I thought I’d feel better today but I don’t. This was a soul sucking defeat. The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results. Iowa football…WOOT!
by djwoody on Oct 30, 2011 7:57 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
I have to say, it's coaching
we are not that talented of a Big Ten program right now, but we are light years more talented than Minnesota. So yeah, no one loses this game unless the coaching staff turns to stone in the middle of the game. There’s no other explanation. That onsides kick was classic Iowa coaching staff obliviousness. Kirk’s explanation after the game of the umpteenth trick play in the last two years to catch him off guard, revealed a man who is reeling. Consider this, I am almost 100% certain Iowa has not a single trick play in the book at this time (no, an end around does not qualify) and if it does, has not practiced it (them) once in two years. If you lack the interest to gamble you are blind to the gamblers.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Oct 30, 2011 8:12 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Our talent is not terrible at all, I agree.
We have a lot of walk-ones, yes, but ‘cmon! We’re not losing to OSU and Wisconsin, we’re losing to teams like ISU and Minny this year, and basically losing to IU last year. There’s PLENTY of talent out there for us to have had only one loss this year. How many players would you swap with Minnesota? ANY? How many with ISU? Maybe a half-dozen, tops.
Guys like Reiff and Hyde and Prater are under-performing for coaching reason, not talent reasons. Maybe it’s motivation. Maybe it’s the schemes. But each of those guys has regressed, just like our d-line last year regressed.
Anyone think Coker’s not a quality back? Or Marvin not a quality WR? Or Vandy a quality QB? WHY on earth isn’t Vandy getting better at blitzes? He’s a very sharp guy, and this is a problem we identified two years ago (against Minnesota, again). You’d think this could be worked out in practices, really concentrated on. I can’t say if that’s been done, but it sure doesn’t look like it.
And, once again, there’s talent sitting on the bench. Canzeri didn’t get a touch yesterday. We had clueless Hyde out practically muffing every punt, then Prater out there who didn’t look any better. Why is Jason White getting thrown to in the last minute of a nail-biter? Why didn’t Coker get a carry that last drive? Players make errors, and that happens—I refuse to pin this loss on Mike Meyer, or on Vandy getting sacked, and so on. Those plays happen occasionally.
But they should not happen all game long as they did. That’s more than “poor execution.” That’s a function of coaching and preparation.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Oct 30, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of sacks
they said Minny had 5 all year coming into the game…..
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Disagree. We are mediocre at best.
Standout is Marvin McNutt, obviously. But this team is so depleted from transfers, drop outs, and early draft picks. There are so many holes on the depth chart that it hurts. Tanner Miller just shouldn’t be on the field this early in his career. Lebron Daniel should never be on the field.
The secondary is, much to my surprise, below average. I think in the good years the front 7 were so damn good that they fed off of QB hurries and suspect decision-making under pressure. Without that, they can’t cover anybody. Prater looks like a joke. All-Conference my ass. I was also worried about Hyde jumping to the NFL at the end of the season early; not anymore.
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 30, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
There are indeed some weaknesses out there.
But look at it this way: Tanner Miller is learning, but shouldn’t Bernstine, Hyde, and Prater be good enough to account for that.? Heck, NONE of them has really played a dominant game recently. And that’s not right.
As for the LBers, they’re serviceable, in my opinion. But the d-line is admittedly not that great, but still, Binns and Daniels are quality players, so you’re already half-way there. I think something is wrong, though, with the coaching of that unit. Last year we had three NFL guys in there, and they kind of stunk. This year, with maybe one borderline NFL guy, they DON’T LOOK ANY WORSE THAN LAST YEAR. Seriously, they’re about the same.
This tells me that something ain’t right there.
Our scheme isn’t working against the new breed of QB’s out there, either. I think that actually NEGATES our talent advantage in some games! If the d-line can’t get pressure, we’re toast. And for whatever reason, whether we have 3 NFL guys or basically none, we still can’t get consistent pressure.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Oct 30, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
" This year, with maybe one borderline NFL guy, they DON’T LOOK ANY WORSE THAN LAST YEAR. Seriously, they’re about the same."
I don’t think that’s true. Our rush defense stats were far better last year. That NFL line was frustrating in terms of pass rush, but they were much better at keeping contain than the current line is.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Strangely, I find both of these true.
But Ross’s comment brought back flashes of Persa/Pryor in 2010.
So the 2010 D-line might have been better, but still not very good. In that way, they are the same.
by iowabeakster on Oct 30, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Both 2010 and 2011 d-lines are disappointments.
2010, though, was a HUGE disappointment—I’ve seen Klug and Clayborn play really well in the NFL so far, and I’ve heard Ballard is doing well, yet these sme THREE guys, with Daniels, could hardly pressure anyone last year. They were pretty good against the run, but all that meant was that teams stopped running against us and passed and gassed the d-line into the ground.
This year, they’re no better against the pass and worse against the run. But at least I expected this year’s line to maybe not be the best in the league. Last year we were supposed to be best in the nation. And we clearly were not.
To my mind, with or without NFL talent doesn’t make much difference. Neither line gets consistent pressure. Both were terrible in their own way.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Oct 30, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is the borderline NFL guy?
Binns? Daniels? ‘Cuz neither of them have been all that impressive. Brod has long arms, I guess, which NFL people seem to get really boner-y about, so there’s that. But Daniels has not been impressive, at all.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Binns or Daniels might get an NFL look.
Binns is my choice right now. He’s a decent player, and so is Daniels. Decent, though, may not guarantee an NFL look-see.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Oct 30, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Depends what you mean by look-see
I don’t see either getting drafted but could see them as FA/practice squad types. Honestly I don’t know if there is a draftable senior other than Marvin on this team.
In fairness,
we’ve lost, what, two guys for this year “early” to the NFL: Sash and Bulaga.
Or actually, would Bulaga have graduated by now?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Bulaga would've graduated last year
Or this year if he had redshirted
by Captain n Diet Coker on Oct 30, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
So how are we hemorrhaging early draft picks,
as Kevin_Ill_Jukes referenced?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
We're really not
It’s been like 1 or 2 a year. Off the top of my head—2009 Shonn Greene, 2010 Bulaga and Spievey, 2011 Sash.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Oct 30, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Great post
It’s been awhile since I’ve commented, so I wanted to stop in. There’s not a lot, if anything, to add to what is an extremely comprehensive and through piece of writing, written so soon after what was one of the dumbest sporting events I’ve ever witnessed in person.
I know what the scoreboard says, but Minnesota is not better than us. Kirk Ferentz and his staff got out-coached by a first-year B1G coach. Along the way, they’ve somehow made it possible to instill fear and nervousness in our players and it shows when the pressure’s applied to them, so hat tip to them for that.
We let a bad team, one who’s had trouble sniffing their own fucking farts this season let alone executing simple football plays, gain confidence and swagger in the fourth quarter when we revealed we’re not too different from them. As I walked out of that stadium yesterday and caught the abuse from practically every Gopher fan (the best being “enjoy your drive back down I-35 and spending money in this state!” – I live here in your stupid fucking state, thank you very much), I couldn’t talk back since this football team and the folks paid to manage it somehow made a mockery of what we’re used to seeing. I really hope that KF and the gang are internally confident and headstrong about where this program’s going, because he’s going to get questioned harder and more visciously in the next coming weeks than he’s ever had to face before.
Go Hawks.
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on Oct 30, 2011 8:28 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hell, last year we got beat by a team.....
…..that had NO coach! Brewster had been shit-canned before Minny played us. At least this year we got beat by a team with an actual head coach.
I’m facing this reality: Ferentz wants to coach an NFL team in college. When we have NFL caliber players, this works. When we have gutsy walk-ons all over the place doing the best they can, it does not.
We accuse KF of trying to put round players in square holes all the time. What we’ve maybe failed to realize is that our COACH is square whereas college football is round.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Oct 30, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
"We accuse KF of trying to put round players in square holes all the time. What we’ve maybe failed to realize is that our COACH is square whereas college football is round."
DING DING DING DING!!!
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
In fairness, the guy also put two square big ten title trophies
in our round trophy case.
Everybody thinks college football has become the place where Mad Max jumps out of the truck, throws two TDs in 40 seconds, and everyone that doesn’t see that is an old codger that just can’t cut it anymore.
It is still Big Ten football. We still have a Big Ten coach. We will still win some Big Ten games.
How many teams win with “gutsy walk-ons all over the place?” I think Iowa does that better than most. I don’t want to be Alabama and sign 10 extra kids and throw ten juniors off the team, every year.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Iowa's new motto
“Come to Iowa: we do mediocrity the right way”
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Were you in a coma for 2009?
Is every non-BCS bowl game just “mediocrity” to you?
Not every Iowa program can be Iowa wrestling, Ly.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
They played a lot of mediocre football in 2009 too
My comment was in response to you saying that you wouldn’t want to be Alabama. I don’t believe you would rather watch a 6-6 or 7-5 ball club over a national champion-caliber team, just because you think Saban is a bad guy (I don’t know how much evidence anyone has of this). Saban’s players don’t seem to complain too much.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Well, one popular complaint is that KF is a "monstrous control freak."
Saban is certainly that. He’s just been one at places where they will sell their first-born for a national title (Alabama, LSU).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Saban is certainly that. He’s just been one at places where they will sell their first-born for a national title (Alabama, LSU).
So, Iowa not being a better team is because their morals are superior?
I get it, you think I am an idiot. Well, go ahead. I am just done subjecting myself to this painful display every Saturday.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
You're not an idiot.
And we can be better than we are without selling our souls.
I just don’t think we can compete for a national title, or a long run of Big Ten titles, without subverting some important principles.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't agree
I think there are ways of having high moral and performance standards.
Wins and losses are almost irrelevant here anyway. What I want is a team that I like to watch. I am a fan, I just want to sit for 3 hours on a Saturday and watch a team that looks prepared and excited to be out there playing. If they lose, oh well, they put out. I really, really do not enjoy watching Iowa play football this year and in the last half decade we have had more seasons like this than not. I just want to enjoy watching them play, why is that too much to ask?
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
I think it is just slightly too much to ask
because you can’t (and shouldn’t) tailor a football program to the personal tastes of some fans.
I think we usually look more prepared than not. As for excited – I’m not sure. But I don’t want us doing an OSU-style fruitloop dance before the game, and being so amped up that we have to fight with someone every other time out.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it is just slightly too much to ask
Really? I liked watching Iowa play when Kirk first started. I liked watching them work and get better. I liked watching them scare opposing offenses with bone-jarring hits. They didn’t win often, but they played like crazy men. That is fun.
I probably speak for myself, but I want to see Iowa take chances on the road. If they lose, so be it, but go for it. I respect the effort to go out and take a win.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
It is nice that you appreciate the risk-taking.
Many fans don’t and would bitch about it for a year when it goes wrong.
Personally, I took almost no joy from the 1-10 year. Maybe I was too wrapped up in my own college years. Or maybe we just weren’t that good.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I apologize for the personal annecdotes that are to follow:
I was an underweight-mediocre wrestler and a 170 lb center in high school in Iowa. I ran into a lot of people that were better than me and there were good number of occasions in which they were able to demonstrate that superiority in front of my friends and family, much to my humiliation. When I encountered those guys I had it in my mind that no matter how much better they were than me, I was going to give them more than they wanted. It didn’t always work, but that was how I had to approach things. All that is to say that I appreciate seeing that attitude as a fan. No matter who you play, you don’t let them push you around and you don’t let them forget who they are playing.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
This.
I was a 165 lb (with pads, probably) guard, and can totally relate. E.g., playing South Tama, I had to block (read: “block”) Wes Hand, who went on to get a full ride to wrestle HW at Iowa. Needless to say, our QB is quite literally lucky to be alive. Point being, what Ly said.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Chazz, I know what you're saying.
But ‘Bama thrives on an NFL-like atmosphere because they have a kick-ass team with kick-ass talent every year. We were able to do that from 2002-2004 and in 2008-2009 to a lesser extent, but man it’s suddenly gotten a lot harder.
It’s a paradigm that really doesn’t work for us anymore. It might work at Bama and LSU and OSU and so on, but it’s not working here. Also, I don’t that even Bama would’ve gone all game without throwing a few blitzes at Gray. They’d have had him eating those little rubber balls embedded in the turf all day long.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Oct 30, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
This is incredibly amusing to me
Only because I teach at STC. And they haven’t had anyone as good as Hand for awhile. He is still referred to reverently by students.
Bethany: Were they sent to Hell?
Metatron: Worse. Wisconsin. For the entire span of human history.
There was no team we hated playing more.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand that.
Given that I’ve been told they used to be very good.
Bethany: Were they sent to Hell?
Metatron: Worse. Wisconsin. For the entire span of human history.
Incidentally, do you remember the band Peppertree?
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember the song, "Pepper."
Does that count?
Bethany: Were they sent to Hell?
Metatron: Worse. Wisconsin. For the entire span of human history.
Not every Iowa program
has to be basketball, either. We should expect a lot more out of Ferentz and this program.
"You start to get out of bed, you say, 'Oh, [expletive], I only got one leg on, I better get the other leg on.'" -- Norm Parker
by nerdhawk on Oct 30, 2011 11:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
SO. MUCH. ANGER.
I mean, I know our success is going to be cyclical, and Ferentz’s strength is coaching Monday-Friday, but I hate being out-coached on gamedays while we wait for our unhearalded recruits develop into dominating players.
"An out of context quote to support my world view." -Some Dead Guy
by Scumdog0331 on Oct 30, 2011 8:28 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Floyd
Also, I’m apparently in an emotionally abusive relationship with Floyd of Rosedale.
"An out of context quote to support my world view." -Some Dead Guy
by Scumdog0331 on Oct 30, 2011 8:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ferentz a "monday-friday" coach?
//nail hit on head
This is the thought that constantly runs through my mind. Watching this team, I get the feeling that Saturday is no different to KF than a Wednesday practice. The team just doesn’t seem to have any “fire” in games.
I’ve heard many fans say that for the last two years that Iowa needs an inspirational “team” leader that has been missing since Angerer left. I guess it might be even more of the same without Stanzi. I might be out here by myself, but I expect the head coach to be a team leader, too. This team looks bored/apathetic/without fire. They did at the end of last year, too.
by iowabeakster on Oct 30, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Kirk has ever run an offense or defense, except for a stint as a high school coach
That may have something to do with some of his game time, um, "decisions.’
The answer? Aliens. Or not aliens.
by Blackheartnopants on Oct 30, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone needs to get him a PS3/XBox
He might learn clock management techniques and realize how long 2-3 minutes is college football. No reason to run 4 straight passes with 2:48 left needing only a field goal from your own 25. Coker was basically ripping off 7 yard carries when they new it was coming. A draw mixed in would have been nice.
Numb
I haven’t felt this disgusted since the Wisconsin game last year. I’m starting to get used to us losing games by special teams nightmares. My tummy pain is already starting to go away, fortunately.
by zstabe on Oct 30, 2011 8:38 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
The Wisconsin game has nothing on this.
At least J.J. Watt’s blocked extra point was a “wow” moment. At least Monte Ball’s 11-broken tackle run for a TD was impressive. Iowa is an average team who is trying their hardest to look like the worst team in the B1G. It’s challenging my sanity.
Also, Ross points out some good things re: talent insofar as it’s not there. Prater is NOT an an all-conference player. Reiff is not an All-American. It’s really McNutt and his band of merry idiots this year.
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 30, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Wisconsin went to the Rose Bowl last year.
This isn’t even in the same fucking universe as that loss.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
There is only one loss that is in the team picture with this one.
2007 Western Michigan.
This loss is that anger-inducing and sickening.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Oct 31, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I had to watch this game with my girlfriend's father
Who grew up in Minnesota and went to Iowa State. Ugh.
I’m truly shocked by how poorly everyone not named McNutt or Coker played. How did Coker not get more red zone carries?
She May Actually Be Bovine
I’d run a DNA test now before you go any further. You’re welcome.
by Billy Happel's Soft But Manly Hands on Oct 30, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I bet he already has,
if you know what I mean.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
1st quarter missed FGs
Anytime we have one I’m going to go mow the yard, take the kids to a movie or, hell with it – even go to the mall with the wife. Even that misery would be better than witnessing a heart break that the omen foretells.
I love the coaching staff as a developmental team. But, expecting a tight game against inferior opponents does not make a good game day coach.
It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.
by FiveSecondRuleChef on Oct 30, 2011 8:41 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
And to think
I wasted a perfectly good Elvis costume at that game.
I’m as pissed off as anyone about this game, but I just don’t have it in me to vent online.
I’ll just leave it at fuck the Gophers, Go Hawks! and let’s beat those assholes from Michigan next week.
And if those dumpster fire shirts are real, I want one.
Yee-Haw! I ride again!
by Cornshoe Hammaker on Oct 30, 2011 8:42 AM CDT reply actions
You didn't waste it.
You got BTN airtime and multiple shout-outs over here. Lookin’ good, man.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 30, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks Kyle
I appreciate the shout-outs. Aside from the horrifying way the game ended, everything up to that point was a pretty good day.
Yee-Haw! I ride again!
by Cornshoe Hammaker on Oct 30, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
cmon myers!
I understand this shouldnt have mattered and if our offense didnt tackle better than our d (recall minnesotas fumble return) we shouldve blown them out but theres no reason you should miss a 24yd fg
by lmlions21 on Oct 30, 2011 8:58 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
Well Spoken
I felt from the start we were 8-4 or 7-5. I hope my optimism is not exceeded. I had to listen to the second half on the radio, but for all that’s said about the repetitive mindset of the coaches and the brain dead play calling, I also sensed a lack of emotion on the kids part. To me that is the saddest thing, They have seemed to have lost the will to win, that desire to do what it takes regardless of the brain dead fearless leaders. If any of them read this I want them to know I have not given up on them. I only hope they can look inside themself and find the desire to be a Hawk and play with some passion.
Go Hawks !
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
Ditto that
It’s not all coaches. Who will be the D leader?
Someone has to get in the face of others when a tackle is missed, contain is lost or coverage blown. Someone please step up.
Stop being a bunch of clinicians and start being football players.
It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.
by FiveSecondRuleChef on Oct 30, 2011 9:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It's not all coaching, true.
But if the players are constantly told/threatened to maintain an even keel, not get too up or too down, etc, maybe some of those would-be vocal leaders are being cowed into silence. Maybe the lack of fiery emotion shown by the players is because the coaches (read: KF) are squelching it to begin with.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I know not what the truth is here
But lord knows we have seen many spirited Hawks play in the last decade. I find it difficult to believe the KFC always has to be regular recipe, no extra crispy all the time. I guess I would like to see a little more of what we used to call “fire in the belly” that joy de vivre so many former Hawks have given us on both sides of the ball.
When I was young I was fairly good with the sticks, and played on the Varsity as a Sophomore at a large suburban Chicago school. The Varsity coach was a serious dickhead, but the frosh-soph kept telling me to be oblivious to his crap and just try to birdie every hole. I realize this isn’t a similar effort to running down Denard, but no matter what happened I never lost the desire to be the best I could be. Forty years later those memories contributed a lot to my efforts of beating cancer (at least for today) . I only hope these kids can find it inside themselves to give it 100%.
Go Hawks!
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
You know there's something wrong with this whole effing situation
when you force OhioHawk to write in normal syntax
by GreatBarrierReiff on Oct 30, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
yes i dont know what happened
there were sentences and punctuation.
Perhaps a freudian attempt to insipire the kids
to be as good as they can be
Go Hawks
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
Why is this comment not in iambic tetrometer?
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't like to lose, but I HATE watching a team lose because its stupid
Right now I feel like my Hawks are a stupid football team.
The answer? Aliens. Or not aliens.
by Blackheartnopants on Oct 30, 2011 9:39 AM CDT reply actions
Very Well Written!
You are a very talented writer, RossWB. I don’t think it could have been summed up any better. I am starting to think all of our coaches are over-paid. I still love my Hawkeyes though!
by Harrison Cougars on Oct 30, 2011 9:46 AM CDT reply actions
Well Struck Sir.
That article covers it all. Ferentz has done some great things and when the talent is there, his conservative, grinding, game management style just drives opponents into the ground. Unfortunately, we remain unable to consistently stock the shelves. Particularly inexcusable to any Iowa fan must be the sad state of the O-Line. That should be our one constant and its wobbly at best. So w/o a tremendous amount of talent have we decided to innovate schemes around the players we’ve got? Nope. Still running 62 dive, jailbreak and the flat dink, over and over and over and over. Its totally understandable to play “not to lose” when you’re A) Ahead or B) Way More Talented or C) Have A Killer O-Line that Assures you of advancing the ball on every possession. If A-C are not true we might have to actually take some risks.
by Billy Happel's Soft But Manly Hands on Oct 30, 2011 9:48 AM CDT reply actions
Brad Herman on last drive
CJ Fed was dinged up and came out of the game earlier, so that explains why Herman was in on that last drive. Otherwise, CJ Fed probably is in there.
What doesn’t make sense is why, with the game on the line and Marvin McNutt on the field, you know the Gophers are going to blitz which means JVB gets 2-read play and then has to throw, why were his primary reads Herman, Herman and J. White?
2-minute O and special teams have kicked Iowa’s ass in almost every single one of its last 10 losses. This is not an aberration. This is a statistical fact at this point.
I feel like ZDerby has dropped less balls this year
than Herman.
I’m fine with Herman blocking, but don’t throw it to him. Anymore. At all.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I sound like a broken record (because so many of the complaints regarding this loss are new)
but I don’t even know why we’re arguing about who was on the field to catch the ball on the last drive. It seems popular but still not logical to assume Meyer was going to miss every field goal he attempted yesterday but the reality remains that he’s been a pretty solid kicker this season. Knowing that, the Hawks realistically needed 50 yds, possessed a time out and had a running back who was achieving a clock-stopping first down on every other carry. I know it’s splitting hairs but they didn’t even need a “two-minute offense” at that point because they had more than two minutes to get what they needed. Run the fucking ball.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 30, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Excellent Vent.
Well written and I have nothing to add. I’m going to play the role of the optimistic fan from here on out but will accept whatever happens. I hope that this experience sinks in with the coaches and other key players on this team. Well, we’ll see.
Offense has to finish.
We’re not talking about any of these other issues if the offense finishes even half of those drives in the first half. Using the “lacking intensity” thing sounds like bullshit to me. I thought they were fine in intensity, they just didn’t execute, which is the more important part.
We shouldn't have to execute even as well as we normally do to beat a team like Minnesota.
I think intensity, he was referring to a desire to win, which is certainly not bullshit. “Execution,” on the other hand certainly is, an FCS team could probably beat LSU if the FCS team executed perfectly, the point is perfect execution never happens for any team and it’s up to the coaches to hit the opposing team in their executive weaknesses and protect their own.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not talking about perfect execution. Plenty of teams have players that are "intense" and who have "desire to win," and still don't
You can want to win all you want, you can be all jacked up on the sideline, but you have to execute if you’re going to win. And expecting a team that was nearly perfect on the year in finishing in the red zone to score on at last one of 4 drives in the red zone is legit.
Not to split hairs, but it was 4 possessions within the 35, which isn't quite the red zone.
1st no points possession: 4rd and 6 at MINN 35
Coach’s decision: Go for it.
Result: Pass to Cotton for 4 yards, turn over on downs.
I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect the offense to execute a 4th and 6 more than 25% of the time (note that on the next drive they opted to punt on a 4th and 4 at the Minnesota 45). I think a a field goal try (52 yards?) would have been better here. However, I think the 4th down play call as well as the preceding dump off for no gain to Coker may not have been good play calls.
2nd no points possession: 4rd and 2 at MINN 6
Coach’s decision: Field goal attempt
Result: Missed
Bad execution on special team obviously, but I think it was a poor decision to kick the field goal. Coker had not gotten less than 2 yards on a rush yet in the game and I don’t think we’ve picked up less than 2 on a sneak all season. Getting that first down would virtually assure a touchdown.
3rd no points possession: 4th and 24 at MINN 25
Coach’s decision: Field goal attempt
Result: Missed
I would call this average execution, you can’t expect to make a 43-yarder every time. However, on this set of downs we took 2 sacks, one form 3rd and 18. I don’t think you should be trying to convert that when it’s obvious the QB is getting pressured and you’re in intermediate field goal range. Run it and kick the field goal that the kicker should be able to make.
34th no points possession: 3rd and 4 at MINN 14
Coach’s decision: Play action pass
Result: Strip-sack
Bad execution, but bad play call too, as Ross outlined above.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I am starting to understand
Why all those red shirts were burned this year. Was hoping it was for a title run. Now it looks like the tank was dry.
by Vandy's Mom Digs Me on Oct 30, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I have felt THIS EXACT WAY for about 18 months now.
Thank you for verbalizing it so acutely and succinctly. I do have great respect for KF, but he has to, HAS TO, realize this predictability is killing his program. If he doesn’t see it, and have a plan for rectifying it, then…..best wishes on your next post and good luck to our new coach.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
by tapdeer on Oct 30, 2011 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
transformational
This game was a transformational experience for me in that I don’t think I can ever look at Hawkeye football the same way. Ever. It’s incomprehensible how this could happen again. I read all the comments about “We’re not going to take this game for granted” but the reality is the Hawkeyes came out flat. They played with no emotion (other than a few). How can that happen after what happened last year???
I was almost screaming at the TV, “Watch for the onside kick.” You KNEW it was coming. The play calling the entire game was just horseshit.
I sit here at my computer knowing that 90% of the people who visit these boards could have COACHED THAT IOWA TEAM TO VICTORY. Anyone who has ever watched or played football could have coahced that team better. I am through with Ferentz. Three fucking millions doallrs ought to buy a little more.
There’s a part of me that hopes they lose their remaining games and are home for the bowl season. Maybe that would wake somebody up.
by StrandedinIndiana on Oct 30, 2011 10:42 AM CDT reply actions
They missed Mr. Davis yesterday.
As it turns out the offense could have used another playmaker on the field.
After the hour-long Gopher poormouthing in the podcast last week, I feared that Iowa was in for a tougher game than anyone expected. Unfortunately, I was right.
Where was the defense in the late 1st and 4th quarter yesterday? Where?!? Can’t believe how unprepared/incapable they were to stop the Gophers late in the game. Folded like a deck chair in crunch time. Just don’t see how they’re going to stop Michigan, but hope I’m wrong.
Without Davis, McNutt was blanketed all game
Cornerback bump with safety over and a FS shifting to his side of the field. They also run a C3 with a shift to him. It was amazing he got 100+; that guy is a stud.
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 30, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not true.
The cornerback was in single coverage on him quite a bit, at least early on. It was baffling that Iowa didn’t try to exploit that.
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Marvin disappears for long stretches.
I don’t know if that’s him, Vandy, play calling, or the D.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Oct 30, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
We have ZERO attitude on defense in games like this.
No swagger. No confidence. No desire not to only stick the knife in, but twist it until your opponent screams. We play tentative “Don’t fuck up!” football starting with the opening kick-off, typified in our utter inability to even consider scoring before half unless we’re already at midfield. But it’s on defense that we really struggle emotionally.
It made me SICK to watch the Gophers jumping up and down as their momentum grew, because I knew that on the opposite sideline we were just Business As Usual, which can be translated as “Don’t fuck up.” We are back on our heels all game on defense, literally and figuratively, against a QB who was UNDER 50% passing completions for the year. Think about that! Even a crappy QB will hit 52% of his throws in modern college FB. Gray had all day to throw, and he completed some killer passes against our DB’s.
I’m not a “burn down the house!” kind of guy by any means, but it’s obvious to me that certain people have to go. I don’t want to name them, but look where we faltered most yesterday, and that would be a nice start. And KF needs to fucking STOP micromanaging everyone and everything. I truly think that he is a control freak, and it;s showing. It shows in his time management, it shows in his lack of risk taking, it shows in his lack of change, it shows in his bizarro decision-making (like the fake FG in the Orange Bowl, absolutely mindless). I really think he cannot delegate and let his asst’s do what they’re paid to do.
I think back to Carl Jackson being the only coach to make the T.O. signal in the Cap One bowl against LSU. KF was clueless. But I got the feeling he’s the ONLY one that can make a decision, or is allowed to make a decision. It’s always been the $64,000 question—is it KOK or KF?—but I think this applies to ALL aspects of our team: I think, in some ways, it’s ALL Kirk Ferentz. Maybe Norm is allowed a little lee-way, but I don’t know—Norm’s defenses at MSU and Vandy were pretty aggressive, I recall.
We can change assistants. but until Ferentz is willing to let them off their leashes, we may be stuck with some of the things that are murdering us out there: a stale offense, a back-on-your-heels defense, surprised special teams, a lack of getting the ball to young playmakers, and so on.
Kind of ranty, but man what a game to lose!
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by The Director on Oct 30, 2011 10:46 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
KOK won a national championship.
I don’t give a fuck that it was at D-III (or whatever) Allegheny College. KOK is not the problem. He may be a part of it, but it’s not all KOK. And I think you’re dead-on balls accurate in your “control freak” analysis.
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by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I think KOK has a better feel for the flow of a game than Kirk does
KOK has brain farts, but every coach has flaws.
I think some of the trouble lies with what KOK believes the team can do and what Kirk wants to do.
The answer? Aliens. Or not aliens.
by Blackheartnopants on Oct 30, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I think KOK is actually fine.
A couple of years ago I had this epiphany that our coaching philosophies were KF’s and KF’s alone. When KF says to KOK “open ’er up” I think KOK opens it up. When KF says to Norm “Whaddya think aboutg a blitz?” we blitz. I truly don’t think our OC and DC operate independently in the least. So even if we change up Norm for some crazy blitzing Stoop brother, I’m still not confident we change our defensive philosophy.
We won’t change until KF changes, or is willing to change. But if he DID ever allow KOK to truly run the offense, and if he DID ever hire Mike Stoops as DC and let Stoops blitz the shit out of average QB’s, we’d beat the Minnesotas and ISUs of the world more frequently, I think.
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by The Director on Oct 30, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree.
I think KF gives these guys plenty of free reign.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
As much as I am disappointed by the losses
I don’t want to see Ferentz fired, I would prefer he left for the NFL or retired or found a more prestigious team (I’ll get flamed for that, but maybe the worst thing that happened to Iowa in the last four years was UM not hiring him).
If those things happen you can find a fiery up and comer to replace him and keep recruits. If Barta fires him, you lose recruits, transfers, and can’t get a decent replacement unless you are one of those more prestigious schools.
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by kurthy on Oct 30, 2011 10:50 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
but maybe the worst thing that happened to Iowa in the last four years was UM not hiring him).
If those things happen you can find a fiery up and comer to replace him and keep recruits.
So, you don’t want to see Ferentz fired, but you wish he wasn’t our coach. For the last four years.
That’s stupid, and you know it.
And which one of this cornucopia of fiery up-and-comers would have done better the last four years?
KF and staff deserve criticism, but not thoughtless criticism.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
So
is it your contention that Iowa will never do better than Kirk Ferentz? That Iowa will never again hire a competent, successful football coach? This fear that people have over the prospect of getting a new coach is completely out of hand. Teams make upgrades in coaching all of the time. Iowa fired Zalesky and got Brands. Just one example.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
I don't think we'll get a better coach than KF if we fire KF right now.
I don’t think we can land an elite coach right now (Bob Stoops, Chris Peterson, Nick Saban, etc).
Everyone else, we would be rolling the dice with. Why not roll the dice with a guy who has two Big Ten titles, two BCS appearances, and an Orange Bowl win at YOUR school. And, that guy has been victorious (or at least competitive) in bowl games against some of the best coaches in the NCAA.
Secondly, Zalesky let the best program in the land fall behind Minnesota, Okie State, and maybe a few other teams. KF has gone from second or third best program in the Big Ten, to maybe 6th or 7th (I believe, temporarily). Not quite the same situation.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Fire Ferentz or don't, that is not my argument.
My argument is that this team is not good and I can’t recall more than 2-3 well coached games in the last two years. That is not a good direction.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Here's a few:
2011: jNW, IU.
2010: Mizzou, MSU, PSU, ISU, Michigan.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Games won are not always well-coached games
There were issues in both the Mizzou and Michigan games. The defense has looked bad in every game this year.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Yes. Anything less than perfection is just the coaches not preparing them properly.
Because it is certainly not possible that the other team has any decent players or coaches who could/should put up any fight at all.
So, you want to see scrappers that lose by 25, or a machine that wins by 35, every time. No room in between?
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you talking about on-field performance,
or my use of hyperbole, or both?
I feel like hyperbole is deserved if we are alleged Hawk fans who now want “big changes made” or “I’m going to quit watching.”
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Good fans get pissed when their team loses like this.
Part of the problem Minnesota has is that their fans don’t expect them to win games.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
This is becoming my problem
I went to both USC and Iowa. I still expect USC to win every game, even last night (which almost happened). However, I wasn’t nearly as torn up about USC losing (it occasionally happens when you play top 10 teams) as I was about Iowa losing. With Iowa, I was frustrated by the lack of intelligent play calling. The coach-not-to-lose philosophy that ends up being coach-to-not-win. The lack of passion from most of the players and general lack of anticipation.
Sure, USC had some questionable plays called, especially on defense, but their players hustle, get excited about the game, and I don’t know what’s coming almost every single play. This is Iowa’s problem, I would be one of the worst choices to pick as a coach, but even I know what Iowa is going to do almost every play. If I know that, what’s the likelyhood that the opposing coaches know KF’s, KOK’s, and NP’s tendencies.
Bethany: Were they sent to Hell?
Metatron: Worse. Wisconsin. For the entire span of human history.
I am an Iowa fan
You are a Ferentz fan
Therein lies the difference.
Further, losing to Minnesota is not ‘every loss’ & this has been a continuing trend, without 2009 I don’t even think there would be a debate remaining.
There is no reason to try and treat this discussion any differently.
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by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah...I'm not an Iowa fan...that makes sense...
just like saying “if they didn’t have those good seasons, every season would be bad”
"those good seasons"
You used plural. Since 2004 there has only been one.
Either you think that the mediocrity is a positive result of Kirk coaching at Iowa, or you think it is a negative result of Kirk coaching at Iowa.
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by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Some of us enjoyed 2008.
I didn’t hate winning a bowl game last year.
But yes, any year you don’t win 10 is just mediocre, and public executions should ensue.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Iowa had the best rb in the country in 2008
and lost to jNW, Pitt, and Illinois.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Yes.
So we should have gone undefeated. Anything less was grounds for firings.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
No
Iowa shouldn’t have lost to those teams.
Anything less is cause to question the coaching.
Enough questions & one should conclude that the coaching staff aren’t doing their job.
You really shouldn’t have to delve into such hyperbole.
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by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
You shouldn't delve into a fantasy world
where we win all game we are favored in.
Few teams do that. Half of them cheat to do so.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
Do tell, what team is upset with the consistency that Iowa has shown since 2004?
Then rank their coaching.
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by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Forgive me, but what
are you asking for here?
I realize my above comment was not well-written.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
"fantasy world where we win all games we are favored in"
I am not asking to win ALL games Iowa is favored in, I am stating that it happens far too often.
I am unaware of any coach that gets upset with the frequency Ferentz does.
Do you?
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by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Bob Stoops and
Pete Carroll get/got upset plenty. Maybe not as much as KF, but a couple times a year.
Mack Brown is headed that way.
Frank Beamer lets it happen once or twice a year (hello, James Madison).
Nobody is immune.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree with all of those
They don’t/didn’t get upset with the consistency that KF does, & each one of them (exception: Beamer) has/had made national powerhouses.
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by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
2008 team
That year still haunts me. That year was the worst of any for play calling/realizing what you did/didn’t have. Everyone saw that Jake didn’t have it and that Shonn was the real deal. The Pitt and jNW games that year were excruciatingly painful knowing that the play calling was so horrendous.
Losing to jNW, ISU, Minn etc.
is a mediocre season.
The fact you have to use such absurd strawmen for you to try and make your point is telling.
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by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Losing to Minny is bad.
Is it impossible to think the ISU and jNW might be at least OK? Not even good, but OK?
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
so it's acceptable to lose to "okay" teams AND to bad teams?
They’ve done that the past two years.
meh
I'm not happy about dropping two to Minny.
I’m just not hanging anyone in effigy about it.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m just not hanging anyone in effigy about it.
I prefer mound people in effigy.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Nice.
I love pun season.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
This is your problem
Its not ‘hanging someone in effigy’
Its answering the question “Is Kirk Ferentz the best man for the job”
I am not that impressed with his body of work.
You are.
That is the discussion
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by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
I think he has been a positive for Iowa football. I’m not willing to say he is done.
People that want him fired or to make “huge changes” are the internet equivalent of hanging him in effigy.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
KF isn’t going to be fired, nor should he (Iowa’s job security is top notch) but I would be happy if he took a walk. And it isn’t because of ‘emotion after one game’. It is because I think Iowa can get a better coach for the program.
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by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you named any candidates?
I’d like to hear them. I’ll even try to resist my urge to fire up a reply that tries to pick that list apart.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Off the top of my head?
I’d take McCarney in a heartbeat
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by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Shirly you jest. McCarney over Ferentz?
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by therealCatnuts on Oct 30, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
What he did at ISU should have been impossible
9 Wins at ISU
Winning record vs. Iowa
Out recruiting Iowa at ISU
Two Heisman contenders.
Hell yes I would.
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by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
No I am not saying that
Thanks for another demonstration of your clairvoyance, but maybe you should start responding to things I actually say.
Just a thought.
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by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Then what does the sentence “losing to jNW, ISU, Minn, etc. is a mediocre season” mean, if it doesn’t mean you think losing to them makes a season mediocre? Thanks for another demonstration of your sentences apparently not meaning exactly what they say.
I was responding specifically to the 2008 season
Iowa was 9-4. Not a bad season, nor an outstanding season.
However, as emotional as you are, why don’t you take it down a notch & name a coach that has been as consistently upset by lesser teams since 2004
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by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
what have I said that's "emotional"?
You’re confused. In ‘08 we didn’t lose to MN or ISU and jNW was a 9-win team, so your comment doesn’t make sense. And you’re saying 9-4 is mediocre, which I find confusing.
.
1) Correct. I have gotten my seasons mixed up.
2) If you say you ’aren’t emotional’ I will take your word on it.
3) However, name a single coach that has gotten upset more often than KF since 2004.
4) Taking #3 into account, explain how you think someone that doesn’t think KF is the best coach for the program is as a result of ‘emotion’
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by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I expect Iowa to win games.
But I don’t think we are above getting caught by a feisty team once in awhile.
We do take it to a bit of an extreme (losing twice to UM, losing several times to jNW, losing or closely winning a few times to IU.)
But, jNW is not the joke they used to be.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
"Getting caught by a feisty team every once in a while" is one thing
Losing two straight to awful Minnesota teams, five of six to fucking Northwestern, half your games against Iowa State, the mid-00s Indiana games, etc. The list goes on. Ferentz loses games to shitty teams all the fucking time, and I think we can agree that Hayden never let this kind of shit happen repeatedly. Maybe once in a while, but not consistently like Ferentz.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't even think of any coach that has.
Is there any that come to mind?
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by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
But, is jNW really that shitty?
I can’t really argue the same about UM or IU.
And, with ISU, it feels like we tend to lose on their turf more often. Seems slightly expected for a rivalry.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
jNWU is pretty shitty, yes
A team with their records in conference play over that time is good enough that you should be .500 or a little better against them if you’re really a conference contender. Losing 5 of 6 should be reserved for teams like OSU and Michigan.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, we're not a conference contender every year.
And maybe not even every other year.
I’m amazed people think we are.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
But why shouldn't we be?
I don’t think it’s realistic for us to assume we’re a lock to win the conference every year, but to simply be a contender? Why the hell not? Wisconsin is, at this point, a contender more years than not. Why not Iowa? Are we too moral for that?
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
We've been once in 6 years.
But heaven forbid we get that guy at Wisconsin who is a contender every year despite the same limitations.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if Iowa fans' "problem" with Bielema would even exist if he had say,
a Michigan tattoo on his ankle, or the U, or UCLA, whatever.
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by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you really want BB more than KF?
We are, technically, still a contender.
I don’t want to have to be a run-up-the-score douche whose fans turn on him at one 7 win season (uh oh, maybe we are). I’ll take the guy who expects his players to try to act like young men. But he’ll get bitched at for that too.
Guy wins an Orange Bowl, and two years later, its forgotten. But I’m the one who isn’t facing reality?
By the way, BB has now been out-coached in 3 of 9 games. Time for a firing.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Ab-so-lutely.
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by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I want a football coach, not a Pope.
I want to beat the hell out of Minnesota and go for 2 up 25. I want to obliterate Northwestern and then say “Hope we didn’t hurt your boys too bad.” Hayden Fry was a hell of a lot more like Bielema than Kirk Ferentz, and I didn’t see the holier-than-thou crowd complaining then.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hayden Fry was a heck of a coach.
But he wasn’t God.
If he was, he wouldn’t have left the cupboard quite bare and would have won more than 3 in his last year.
And in today’s Big Ten, with programs like Wisky, Minny, jNW, and even IU actually spending money on football, we would get roasted plenty if we were led by a Bielema or Fry. To me, losing close to jNW is better than losing by 40 to OSU. It wasn’t fun to do that every year from 1992 to 2002.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not one or the other; we don't beat OSU, either.
And if your argument is really that Hayden left the cupboard bare, just look around. It’s a can of chili beans and some expired minute rice.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
We are way better now
than Fry’s last year.
If you can’t admit that, you aren’t being honest.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe.
I think talent-wise, yeah, 2011 Iowa is way better than 1998 Iowa. But I think all things being relatively even, a Fry-coached team would kick the ever-loving shit out of a Ferentz-coached team, to the extent where you’d be morally equivocating Fry with Saban, Miles, et al.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be interesting to see.
Fry would be more dynamic in his decisions, but I feel like KF’s teams might be more solid and “consistent.”
Maybe over Thanksgiving or Christmas, I’ll play it out on the PS2.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
2008 Iowa
Hayden’s last team went 2-6 in the conference (don’t look now, but we’re looking hard at that same number). They didn’t have the benefit of a fourth non-con against a I-AA cupcake to pad their record, and they had to go to Arizona (which is apparently the toughest thing in the world; just ask Ferentz). Now, that team got shitkicked by Minny (who finished 5-6), but it also had to face the meat of the conference (11-1 OSU, 11-1 Wisky, 10-3 Michigan, 9-4 Purdue) while 2011 Iowa avoids some heavy hitters. I think this team is better, but not by a lot. And you know what that team did that this one (and the one before it, and 2008, and 2007, and 2006, and 2005) didn’t do? It beat the teams it was supposed to beat. Iowa spanked Illinois and Northwestern, the two teams that finished below them in the standings.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Do we forget that Fry
sometimes had years with losing records (something KF has avoided after year two?) I realize the weak non-con plays into it.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Then shouldn't you allow for that in your question?
What’s KF’s record taking the Div I-AA out of the overall record. Or what is it just in the Big Ten?
meh
To me,
decent FCS teams are about the same as bad-to-middling D-I teams. Playing UNI now is probably better than Fry’s team playing Central Michigan.
I have no excuse for us playing TennTech.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Outcoached in only 3 of 9?
Sounds good to me.
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by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Ferentz has been outcoached every game this season besides TT, and it's hard to say in that game.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
You think we got out-coached
by IU and jNW? And in the 4th quarter against Pitt?
I disagree.
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by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I felt like those two (jNW and IU) were a lot closer than they should have been.
I was still worried about losing to jNW until there were a few minutes left in the fourth quarter. We let them get back into it after going up 17-0. And we were at home. At night. And jNW is very, very bad this year.
IU, I mean, they’re so bad it’s like TT in that it’s hard to say. I thought they called a better game than us though, considering.
The final quarter of the Pitt game was 1)Almost perfect execution and 2)Vandenberg calling almost all the offensive plays.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
"I'’ll take the guy who expects his players to try to act like young men"
Where is there any evidence of this, either in Ferentz being a wonderful molder of young men or Bielema as some sort of predator?
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you see any evidence
that BB gives two shits about player behavior?
I don’t.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
He sent assistants to check
if his players were paying for their tats after tatgate last season.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you see any evidence that Ferentz does?
If molding young men into older men is throwing off the druggies and letting the alkies run laps, then yeah, he’s a real Father Flannigan.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
KF deserves criticism.
But we blame him when he fucking tells kids what to wear (DJK) or where to live (Wegher).
How much shit would he get if he was MORE militant about discipline?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
But we blame him when he fucking tells kids what to wear (DJK) or where to live (Wegher).
If he is as principled as you say, then why should this matter?
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
What I'm saying is,
we would harangue him either way. To me, its a douchey way to treat a coach who is in the top three in school history.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
He's certainly not great.
Hard not to blame the IC atmosphere, at least a little. I also blame the 05 class a little bit.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course you do
You’ll never blame the guy making $3 million a year, but you have absolutely no problem throwing an 18-22 year old kid under the bus
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Oct 30, 2011 11:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Untrue.
I blame KF very slightly.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
And, oh, by the way: The one year we were, we LOST TO NORTHWESTERN AGAIN
GOD DAMN IT
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The Mizzou game – How many times did Gabbert burn Troy Johnson before a change was made in coverage?
Michigan – Iowa did a good job containing Denard (like many other Big Ten teams) and had no answer for Forcier.
They don’t have to be perfect, but I expect some ability to adjust to developments on the field.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Missouri was a "good" passing team.
Few teams make quick adjustments to just shut that down, especially with a walking ICU for LBs and some DBs who are good, but not exactly as fast as the track stars that Mizzou had at WR.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
So, in order to avoid putting a less than stellar DB on a fast WR
You instead put a less than stellar LB on a fast WR?
That is fucking retarded
by GreatBarrierReiff on Oct 30, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless that LB
is clean-living.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 30, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
Kirk Ferentz is a known quantity. He is also, given his track record, a good known quantity. I’m not willing to roll the dice on another coach, an totally unknown quantity, because the team is struggling this season. Firing a coach who delivered a BCS victory 2 years ago is just plain stupid.
People have called for Mike Stoops and I literally want to challenge them to an honor duel. It’s just fucking stupid. That guy can’t coach himself to his car in the morning.
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 30, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
First of all
you should look at Arizona before he got there. You know that gif at the top of this page? That about sums it up. Stoops’ trajectory at UofA is similar to that of McCarney at ISU; took a complete mess of a program, turned it around slowly but surely, and then had several years of frustrating regression compounded by fans’ newfound sense of entitlement.
Where Stoops gets killed is that his sideline demeanor makes him look like an even bigger ass when his teams lose. The reality is that while he may not be a great head coach (or even a very good one) the man knows his defense and performed admirably as a coordinator at a much higher pressure position at Oklahoma. I think Iowa would be very fortunate to have his energy and know-how on the sidelines.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 30, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
About how he got there
Let’s talk about the Iowa football program circa 1998. His trajectory at AZ is similar to Kirk’s here. He took a shit program and made it legitimate. Kirk also did it without talent from California and Texas, and without 80 degree weather and the hottest bitches in the game (sorry IC, but you just don’t stand a chance against AZ ladies).
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 30, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't just pluck who you'd like from SoCal.
First off, USC gets (or got) first pick. After than Oregon has a steady pipeline from that area which is to say nothing of the fact that Arizona State has the more attractive campus life (for 18 year olds) and the snake oil salesman as head coach. Did Stoops have an advantageous position? Slightly, but he wasn’t the head coach of Florida.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 30, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
A slight advantage?!?
Compare: Iowa City, IA. Tucson, AZ. Discuss.
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 30, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
first ever UNESCO designated City of Writing
no comparison
by Freneau on Oct 30, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't comparing Iowa City and Tucson
I was comparing Tucson to the other schools that it actually competes for recruits against. You’re comment made it sound like he was getting the pick of the litter. The reality is that he was getting sloppy seconds at best.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 31, 2011 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I see.
Nonetheless, how does the sloppy second in southern California compare to the average Iowa high school prospect?
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 31, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
How has Arizona been legitimate under Stoops?
The guy finished above .500 in conference all of twice at AZ.
He made three bowl games, losing two (only winning the Las Vegas Bowl).
He was ten games below .500 in conference, and 9 under overall.
And I’m not sure that AZ was the tire fire people make it out to be. Dick Tomey was a decent-to-good coach “only” 3 or 4 years before Stoops took over.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
He may be terrible at running a program, but he got his shot because he can run a defense
The answer? Aliens. Or not aliens.
by Blackheartnopants on Oct 30, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
THIS.
This is my point. I don’t want Mike Stoops to take Kirks job. I want Kirk to give him Norm’s fucking job..
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 31, 2011 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Um, Hayden had one sub-.500 season on his way out the door.
Kirk didn’t step into a Cadillac, sure, but it’s not like we had a decade of losing before Ferentz got here.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
Which is why I was pretty pissed during the 1-10 year, and not as happy as many during the 3-5 year.
By the 7-5 (Alamo win against TTech) year, I felt better.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
How many games have Iowa won in the last four years because they out coached the other team?
How many times has Iowa lost because they got out coached by the other team?
Would you say that 2009 was because of amazing coaching or being extremely fucking lucky? There were many games in 2009 where Iowa was out coached but won on the determination of a few players and a lot of fortunate bounces.
Bethany: Were they sent to Hell?
Metatron: Worse. Wisconsin. For the entire span of human history.
by kurthy on Oct 30, 2011 12:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
When Iowa "out-coaches" the other team over the last three or four years,
we usually chalk it up to having more talent.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right.
So basically, none of those aforementioned wins were due to out-coaching the opponent.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, that makes sense...
if we lose it’s on the coaches, if we win it’s on the players or luck. Nothing like taking everything to one extreme or the other
And that's different than the coaches' stated views how?
If we lose, it’s “execution” (i.e. the players). If we win, everyone gets a raise!
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Here is what I would say about 2007 until now.
NIU (W) – better players
Syracuse (W) – better players
ISU (L) – we had better players
Wisky (L) – I can’t remember how good Bucky was
Indy (L) – we had better players
PSU (L) – ehh
Illinois (W) – we had better coaching
Purdue (L) – can’t remember
MSU (W) – better coaching
jNW (W) – better players
Minny (W) – better coaching
WMU (L) – c’mon
Maine (W) – better players
FIU (W) – better players
ISU (W) – better players better coaching
Pitt (L) – they got out-coached by the Wannstache
jNW (L) – better players
MSU (L) – equal players, out-coached
Indy (W) – better
Wisky (W) – better
Illinois (L) – Greene sat 1st quarter, out-coached
PSU (W) – extremely fucking lucky
Purdue (W) – better players
Minny (W) – Greene for the win
SCAR (W) – equal players better coaching
UNI (W) – better players
ISU (W) – better players
UA (W) – better players better coaching
PSU (W) – extremely fucking lucky
ArSU (W) – better players, way out-coached
UM (W) – better players (or more experienced players), better coaching (telling Denard Robinson to run around a whole lot is not great coaching)
Wisky (W) – better players
MSU (W) – extremely lucky, equal players, way out-coached
Indy (W) – extremely fucking lucky, better players
jNW (L) – extremely unlucky, better players, out-coached
OSU (L) – worse players, equal coaching
UM (W) – better players
GT (W) – better players, better scheme (so edge coaching)
EIU (W) – better players
ISU (W) – better players
UA (L) – better players, poor coaching
BS (W) – better players
PSU (W) – better players, better coaching
UM (W) – better players
Wisky (L) – equal players, out-coached
MSU (W) – equal players, better coaching (except keeping ARob in so long)
Indy (W) – better players
jNW (L) – better players, out-coached
OSU (L) – worse players, worse coaching
Minny (L) – extremely better players, horrible coaching
Mizzou (W) – worse players, amazing individual performances
TT (W) – better players
ISU (L) – better players, out-coached
Pitt (W) – better players, better coaching
ULM (W) – better players
PSU (L) – better players, worse coaching
jNW (W) – better players
Indy (W) – better players
Minny (L) – better players, completely out-coached
Iowa’s schedule has not been murderous the last several years (except last year) but the results have been mediocre for the most part.
Games won from coaching:11
Games lost from coaching: 15
At minimum, 15 games lost the last four and a half years from being out-coached. I didn’t count games where Iowa had a noticeable lower talent level and games I just couldn’t remember the circumstances. That’s 25% of the games they’ve played. And that’s just the losses where they were out-coached, there were a lot of wins where they were out-coached but still won because the players on the field were significantly better. And only 11 games that were won at least partially because of better coaching.
That’s what I’m getting tired of. The schedules are so weak most of the time, yet rarely do they muster above 7 wins. But really it’s the losses to ISU, jNW, and Indy that just continue to gall me. Of course, I’d take losing to jNW and tOSU every year if that meant we won all the other games.
Bethany: Were they sent to Hell?
Metatron: Worse. Wisconsin. For the entire span of human history.
by kurthy on Oct 30, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree with some of those.
I think our QB shitstorm cost us the game against Pitt during the Wann-stache years.
I’m not sure you can say we have better coaching than PSU, when PSU is still competing for league titles about every other or every third year.
As much as I hate Dantonio’s criminal methods, the guy is not a bad coach.
Pretty much anytime we win a close game, you chalk it up to luck or “we got out-coached.” I guess we should just win them all by 20.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
If you can find a win there, you’re relying on irrelevant historical trends (Michigan State doesn’t win in Kinnick! Iowa’s won two in a row over Michigan! Iowa always plays one inexplicably good game!), the “Iowa plays better as an underdog” meme or blind faith.
Well, the guy who put $500 worth of blind faith on the Cardinals a month ago is laughing at that. While shopping for a corvette.
Yesterday was a bad loss. Inexcusable. But it isn’t our first, and it won’t be our last (even if we do hire Nick-Peterson-Saban-Halas. )
Iowa still has the talent (and a home date) and could go out and beat Michigan or MSU. We’ve done so in other years where we didn’t expect it. It can happen.
Fire all the coaches you want, but it is a very rare (and probably more expensive one than Ferentz) coach that avoids all the ankle-biter games AND sometimes upsets the favorites on his way to multiple conference titles. And that guy is probably covering his players’ asses while they get tattoos from drug dealers.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
"And that guy is probably covering his players’ asses while they get tattoos from drug dealers."
Which KF may also be doing, we have no idea.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
If you honestly believe that, then I can't have a reasonable conversation with you.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't.
I just take issue with implying some sort of moral superiority simply because we’re salt-of-the-earth, hardworking, humble Midwest aw shucks Iowa and our coach is a nice guy who gives money to children’s hospitals and it can therefore be automatically assumed that all those other guys who are winning games & competing for MNCs are automatically slimeballs and crooked and cheating, etc, etc.
Again, all I said was that we don’t know that kind of thing isn’t happening at Iowa. Doesn’t mean it is, but it doesn’t automatically disqualify it from happening either.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Jim Tressel fit most of those descriptors before SI blew the lid off that case.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 30, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I always thought the OSU program was at least slightly dirty.
I just couldn’t link it to Tressel’s intentions/incompetence until the recent scandal.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
The prescience of your hindsight is very impressive.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There were several points over the last decade or so
where I saw something OSU did (football and men’s hoops), saw how little the NCAA punished them, and began a countdown until the next violation.
I don’t see a similar pattern at Iowa.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you carry a magnifying glass and meerschaum with you everywhere?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 30, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Forgive me for not knowing what a meerschaum is.
And no, on the magnifying glass.
(this was a Sherlock Holmes joke, right?)
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I wear a deerstalker when I erotically romance the gals
The answer? Aliens. Or not aliens.
by Blackheartnopants on Oct 30, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
A meerschaum is a German fancy pipe.
There’s a classic Leave It To Beaver episode where much of the funny goings-on revolve around a Meerschaum pipe that Ward got as a gift.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Oct 30, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Maurice Clarett happened prior to Tatgate.
Troy Smith happened prior to Tatgate.
Youngstown State happened prior to Tatgate.
There were certainly reasons to be suspicious of Tressel prior to Tatgate.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yes.
And you didn’t even mention the basketball coach (Jim O’Brien) handing cash to his players.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I am nearly certain it is not happening at Iowa,
because I feel like we would have had much more of a shitstorm by now if it had been happening. We can’t have a guy get in a mo-ped accident without it going on the next day’s news. How in the hell are we going to have a drug ring ravage our program without Dochterman or Morehouse making some at-least-cryptic tweets?
And, some of the “best” programs in the land have had outright scandals (OSU, USC, Auburn, Oregon) or do things in a manner I don’t agree with (Alabama, LSU, sometimes Florida).
Those other schools are slimeball crooks moreso because of what I’ve read in the papers, not because of my imagination.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Please. Just stop embarrassing yourself.
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 30, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Do we ask the sun not to shine or the grass not to grow?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 30, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
But thanks for stopping by once per year, anyway.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
No, he's covering his son's ass while he lives in public-subsidized housing.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you really get as worked up about that
as the OSU crap?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I got more worked up at it
Tressel said he didn’t know what was going on and was found to have known. Ferentz said he didn’t know but it was his kid. That simply doesn’t make sense, and it wouldn’t inculcate any other parent from legal or financial problems if their kid did the same thing. I got more worked up because it was our guy, and it was the first sign that Saint Kirk might not be all he seemed.
Chazz, if I read you correctly, your position seems to be that we go about .500 and we have a good guy as our coach, so we should be happy that we don’t have one of those assholes who wins games at comparable places because at least we can get behind our head coach as a moral man. I disagree with your basic premise on Ferentz, and I honestly believe the weight of the evidence over the last 6 years is in my favor.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate some of “those assholes” that win games, and I’m not sure they are in “comparable places.”
Is it so unbelievable that a busy coach would actually give his kid a check to pay rent, without knowing it was Section 8 housing. Doesn’t seem that unthinkable to me.
KF is not a saint. But he isn’t an asshole. His kids (Brian and James) have made some public mistakes. Rare is the parent that hasn’t had a kid make a dumb decision that came to roost later.
If you know more dirt on Ferentz, I completely understand you not wanting to publicize such. But I don’t know that dirt, so I won’t worry about it until someone lets me know.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Sec 8 is a major pain in the ass
If KF didn’t know then he is a moron, that somehow sired an evil genius.
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Care to explain?
Don’t you just have to fill out a form, after you are 18?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I am basing it on how difficult it is to rent property as Sec 8
I really don’t know about applying for it.
In any case…I assume KF knew his kid’s address.
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
so how do you handle that?
KF pays for his kid’s housing which he can easily afford but the shit storm comes because he is no longer a father but a head coach. This is a major NCAA infraction, how is this handled?
I am defending no one, just simply asking for clarification.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Oct 31, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Shit, I dunno
This discussion is taking us to weird places
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 31, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Name the coaches that have lost to Minnesota in the last two years.
A Saban coached team wouldn’t have been within rocket-distance of Minny yesterday.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Ferentz has officially done to football what Lickliter did to basketball in my eyes...
It just took him twelve years, not 3.
I love our players, I love our kids. Coker looked like an axe-murderer yesterday. McNutt is a once in a lifetime player. But Ferentz, while he has not made me stop caring about the kids, has made me stop caring about the TEAM. I’ll still watch every game this year, but I will be a shell, I’m not in love anymore.
I’m not saying I want Ferentz fired, we all remember the Tom Davis fiasco. But Ferentz brand football over the last 5 years has become predictable, infuriating, and borderline incompetent in terms of underestimating our opposition’s resolve. And for me, it becomes less fun to watch every year.
Bring on the Rise of the Franimal!
I will haunt your dreams and eat your children.
Those two guys (KF and Lick)
are not even comparable.
Lick drove more fans away, to the point of a 1/3 full arena. KF still helps provide a product that almost always sells out a large building every other weekend.
Lick never won anything at Iowa, KF has.
Lick had no experience at the professional level, KF does.
And finally, Lick installed a system that nobody outside Indiana really enjoys. KF may have a predictable system, but I’d say it is still fun to watch about half the time or a little more. I guess I can’t vouch for how fun it is to run that system, but I don’t remember hearing too many players bitch about it, even when they transferred out.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
"Lick had no experience at the professional level, KF does."
Please tell me how this is in any way relevant.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
It means that a money-making organization
saw fit to hire him, before he came to Iowa.
Not really the same for Lick.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
They hired him as a position coach.
The Broncos did the same with Tim Brewster. It has no bearing whatsoever.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree.
There are plenty of guys who had some NFL position coach experience before becoming a head coach at a major college program.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
There are more who have head coaching experience with a lower-level program
You might recognize the half-man, half-gopher hybrid who ran over God’s Favorite Coach yesterday. He’s one of them. The guy who won a half-dozen B1G titles in a row at OSU is another. So is Les Miles, for that matter. And if you’re saying that Tim Brewster has more coaching value because of his positional coaching experience in the NFL, I know a couple thousand Gopher fans who would respectfully disagree.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
In fairness, we got away from the original comparison,
which was Lick to KF.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
True
I just don’t think the fact that he once coached OL for the Ravens matters at all in that comparison. But, yes, a comparison of KF to Lickliter is absurd.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
By the way, I know I'm arguing with you a ton here tonight.
And I usually do more often than I should. Please know, I absolutely love this place (BHGP), and I do respect you and the other founders/editors, no matter how unreasonable I get in my defense of Ferentz.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh jesus, don't worry, you're not getting banned.
Not that I have any authority in the matter, but c’mon. You’re a valuable contributor here, even if you get disagreed with a lot.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Bucket's right. You're not getting banned.
You disagree, but you do so respectfully. This isn’t built as a Ferentz-bashing haven. It’s a place for discussion. You discuss things. You do so respectfully. You don’t call people or things gay. You’re cool.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks.
I wasn’t really afraid of getting banned. I was just trying to make sure that you knew, HState, that I’m appreciative.
Bucket, you’re cool, too. If peeing your pants is cool, I’ll consider you Miles Davis.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
This is crazy talk.
You can’t be serious.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Oct 30, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not talking about coaching ability, far from it.
I’m taking more about what Flakbait and The Director were talking about in above comments. Sure we watch sports because we want our team to win, but we also want our team to have fun doing it, we want it to be exciting. I’m thinking about what the Minnesota players looked like on the sidelines at the end of the game – they were ecstatic, they were jumping up and down and having fun. I don’t remember the last time I saw that kind of enthusiasm from our team.
Sure Coker looked like he was gonna rip heads off after every play. But on the whole our team is boring, predictable and it almost seems like Ferentz has made this more about business than the game – the sport – that it is. Deathly serious is fine if we are winning 10-12 games a year. But what’s in it for the kids and fans if we do it during a 5-7 or 6-6 season? They have to have SOMETHING to play for other than wins.
I don’t think we disagree as much as you probably think. Ferentz can develop talent like few others. But come game time I have concerns.
I will haunt your dreams and eat your children.
I long for early days of Ferentz's tenure
Those teams were not talented, but they came to play, they hit hard, and they were fun to watch. I will take a 1-9 season with a bunch of scappers over this shit. Iowa football has become borderline unwatchable.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
It has become unwatchable due to it's own success.
1-9 teams have something to prove. Teams that are picked to finish near the top of the conference under KF play tentative and don’t seem to give it their all. When KF took over there was only one direction to go. Now that there has been some success there seems to this underlying sense that we will just win games like last night and only have to bring our best when someone like Michigan and MSU and OSU come to town. This staff never steps on anyone, leaves shitty teams like Minny, Indiana, and Purdue in games because in the end they feel that the Hawks talent will win out in the end.
FUCK THAT. KF and his staff need to prepare the players like every week is a road game in the horseshoe and the Hawks record is 1-9. Instill in them that they are the underdogs even against the worst competition.
I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry
by NileKinnickIronman on Oct 30, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
The more I think about it, as annoying as yesterday's play-calling was
it’s the defense that has me so irritable. I get a little tired of the “swagger” nonsense but I could stand to see some fire with these kids. As SMA has repeatedly pointed out, there are perhaps two players from Minnesota who would start for Iowa, yet their defense played with passion when it counted and showed joy after accomplishing something…which is made easier when the coaches greeting them on the sidelines are equally energized.
We currently have a legendary but prehistoric defensive coordinator who sits like Oz behind his curtain in the press box, removed both figuratively and literally from what’s happening on the field. I would like to see Kirk have an honest and difficult conversation with Norm that hopefully ends with a change that everyone agrees is best for the program. Kirk’s loyalty to his staff is one of the qualities that has made him so admired in coaching circles but his first responsibility needs to be loyalty to the school that pays him and right now he’s lost the big picture. Can you imagine a nutjob like Mike Stoops greeting his players on the sidelines after they moped around for a series? You don’t have to! You’ve seen it! And despite what we might think, all reports are that his players loved playing for him at Arizona for that very reason.
I don’t think Iowa needs to make a head coaching change, especially since the options available this offseason figure to be less than stellar. But this is one of the better opportunities for a big D-coordinators job in some time.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 30, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is the softest D Iowa has fielded
since 1999. The 2 deep on every play D works if you have studs on the line and solid tackling. We have none of that. And the coaches refuse to put players in position to be successful.
by Quinn Early: Motivational Speaker on Oct 30, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I will take a 1-9 season with a bunch of scappers over this shit. Iowa football has become borderline unwatchable.
I doubt this is true, if you are being honest.
And I don’t ever recall us being competitive with OSU or Michigan when we were a one (or three) win per year team. We did catch MSU and PSU, but PSU was down, and MSU was led by Bobby Williams, IIRC.
And if you think Iowa is unwatchable, then don’t watch. We still play close games with Wisky or OSU. We still get some Big Ten wins. I think we will be surprisingly competitive with Michigan, MSU, and Nebby.
If two losses to bad Gopher teams makes you stop watching Iowa football, what the fuck type of fan were you to begin with? Probably the type that bitches when it rains or snows. (this last comment is not meant as a completely personal attack on Ly or on IronMan, but is meant to remind us that when our team suffers a disappointing loss, that is the worst time to turn our backs on them.)
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Want evidence?
Last year’s Iowa basketball team was full of scrappers and they sucked and it was still fun to watch. Why? Because even though you knew they weren’t good you got the feeling that it was going somewhere and that the experience would make them stronger down the road. And before you point out that it was a transitional year, in many respects, so is this year’s football team. I just don’t see where it’s going.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 30, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'd say sometimes it was fun to watch that team.
And I’d say sometimes it sucked.
For every Purdue win, there was a loss to another Big Ten team by 15 or 20.
I’m not bitching about Fran. But he isn’t my savior, yet, either.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Show me this season's football wins over
the Purdues and MSUs from the basketball season. We’ve got the loss to “another Big Ten team” thing down. If we knock off Michigan, MSU or Nebraska there will be a redeeming quality to the season…but I’m not seeing it.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 30, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
But it isn't as bad as that, is it?
We lost on the road to an ISU team that might actually make a bowl this year.
We lost bad to a PSU team that might win the freaking conference.
We lost to a bad Minny team that we shouldn’t. I don’t really have a good excuse here.
To me, this is not yet a complete tire fire. It may be in a week or two, but not yet.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem is that this loss and ones like it is not an isolated incident.
This is now part of a pattern. A pattern that goes back to 2005 (if not further).
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
And the successful years are not part of the same pattern?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
fucking joke
We lost on the road to an ISU team that might actually make a bowl this year.
I do like that you’re openly admitting that you’re looking for excuses.
meh
I am shocked you waited for one of my comments
to chime in.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Your standards are awfully damn low.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
What is acceptable then?
Ten wins every year? A conference title every fourth year. Everything else is a disappointment worth handwringing?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
We recruit as well as Wisconsin and produce more NFL talent than they do.
We should win at least as much as they do and not lose to teams that everyone knows are worse than us.
It’s not like Wisconsin has super-awesome coaches either.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously, when was the last time we beat a team that had more talent than us?
Missouri in the Insight bowl, maybe, that’s kind of a toss up, but we got extremely fucking lucky in that game and by all accounts should have lost.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
PSU, 2008?
And even that is high;y debatable. Otherwise… ummmm… Florida in the first Outback Bowl (almost EIGHT years ago), maybe?
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
99's right. It was Mizzou. And, before that, probably 2009 PSU.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh wait, actually, I'd say Illinois in 2007.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
If
We got burned all game by playing LBs on WRs and won on a freakish interception return, I don’t really credit the coaches with that.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
And we don't credit the coaches
with keeping us in a game with a 10 win, 12th ranked team, until the last few minutes?
When we were without our first three RBs, and our “best” WR?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Coker is probably better than any of our "first three" running backs.
And I’m not convinced Missouri was actually a better team than us. We should have won 10 games last year against a tougher schedule and we had more NFL talent.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Your second point, I may concede.
But A-Rob, Wegher, and Jewel all had plenty of talent. They were probably all better than a true frosh Coker (even though I love Coker and hope he’ll do huge things before he leaves Iowa).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
cmon man, you are accused of creating straw men in a previous thread
and you propose that the unhappy on here are demanding 10 wins every season? I think 8 wins is a pretty reasonable expectation given the current situation. From our division, we should (note:should) beat jNW and Minnesota and at least 1 from MI, Neb or Sparty. We should beat Purdue and 1 of the two crossovers. That plus winning our preseasons puts us at 8 and 4. We pay our head coach one of the highest salaries in the country and I don’t think 8 wins is a lot to ask. We are only asking him to beat the teams we should beat, right?
by Iowa Refugee on Oct 30, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
No margin for error. Win all your non-con games, or pack your bags.
Beat everyone in conference that is not in the top 15 nationally, or your fucking fired.
First place in conference is a trophy. Second place is a set of steak knives. Third place is “your fucking fired.”
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
In 2006-2010
Our nonconference opponents have been:
Eastern IL
Iowa St
Arizona
Ball St
Northern Ia
Arkansas St
Maine
Florida Itl
Pitt
Northern IL
Syracuse
Montana
Of that list only Arizona and Pitt are truly legit, so based on that level of non-conference competition, yes, for the most part I expect us to win. You don’t? Really? Also, from 2000-2010, Ferentz is only off a .667 win percentage by 4 games. If we beat Northwestern and IA St two more times each in that 10 year span I think people on here are a lot more happy.
by Iowa Refugee on Oct 30, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure people here are a ton more happy.
And no, I don’t get real pissed when we drop an occasional game to Pitt or ISU.
Imagine what would happen if we scheduled tougher teams more often? (As some around here advocate). Might not be good for our record.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
"No margin for error"
Since 2004 is 2009 the only year you have watched Iowa football?
I don’t give a shit about KF, I neither love, nor hate him…I have the same about the same amount of loyalty to KF, that KF has for Iowa.
Namely KF needs millions of dollars to coach for Iowa, whereas I need him to improve Iowa.
If he is not improving the program (and there are LOTS of evidence to support this) I would prefer a different coach.
In either case, no coach would have survived his 2005-2007 debacle at ANY other program. KF has had the largest margin of error of any coach in D1 football
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Re: your last sentence there -
Really tough to argue that.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
With 10% of the team in some form of legal trouble
With a rape cover up?
With an embarrassing photobook of money-hats & money-food?
Rounding it all out with a loss to Western Michigan?
No. No one comes to my mind.
Perhaps you care to share who did survive a tailspin like that?
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I think half the BCS coaches would survive that.
Going .500 with some idiots spending some nights with the cops doesn’t always get you fired. Look at Iowa State.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Who?
“Iowa State”
That’s kind of ironic point, because I think McCarney is a far better coach than KF
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I just understood your statement
And ISU is not Iowa, Iowa is a top-15 in profitability program, top-15 in following, huge national recognition.
ISU is a mid-major.
And the problems ISU had in the off-season, doesn’t even touch what was going on at Iowa those years.
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
but you said "no coach"
you keep making these huge generalizations and then adding a bunch of conditions after the fact
Yes
No coach would have survived a tailspin like 2005-2007.
ISU isn’t in the tailspin Iowa was in 05-07.
ISU has a coach that is winning more games than his predicessor, and NOT covering up rapes. (Pssst-Most people recognize an MIP is not the same as…ya know….raping)
No ‘conditions’ have been ‘added after the fact’.
The fact you are trying to make this laughable statement is telling.
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
There are plenty that would
Especially with 10% of the team in legal trouble and A RAPE COVER UP.
You still haven’t answered, who has survived a tailspin like 05-07?
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
So, if I can't think off the top of my head of someone that has, that automatically means that no one would?
that’s a great argument. Why wouldn’t I have memorized the histories and futures of every college football program…?
Then it looks like KF HAS gotten plenty of 'margin of error'
which was THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION OF THIS THREAD.
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
how does me not knowing a lot of college football history nationally mean he has the "largest margin of error of any coach"?
Has UI vacated wins or had major sanctions? Had regular losing seasons? Those are the situations where I think it really comes into play. The only way we’ll find out about the margin of error is if those happen, and then none of us will be happy.
WTF?
Are you even reading what you are typing, anymore?
The original point of the thread was me disagreeing with Chazz that Ferentz has ‘no margin of error’ to fail.
‘Sanctions’ have nothing to do with this conversation.
Seriously, take a nap.
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I think McCarney had
plenty of players who got in trouble. I think they keep him while he’s going just under .500. It was when he put up a couple 3 or 2 win seasons that Pollard brought in Cheezuk.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really
Other than the mugging by their star DE (I cant remember his name), there was nothing major.
And he was fired after ONE bad season….as their program’s most successful coach.
Now THAT was “no margin for error”. Kirk has no such complaint.
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree.
And I think other coaches could survive. I bet MSU keeps Dantonio past when we’d expect them to.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Certainly not
if his name was Lane Kiffin, Bob Stoops, Mack Brown, or Nick Saban, which coincidentally are the only coaches with a bigger salary than KF
by Iowa Refugee on Oct 30, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Competing for a conference title every four years isn't ridiculous
ferentz hasn’t won one a conference title in 7. And unless he can find some juco DLinemen, we aren;t winning one next year either. Is no conference titles in a decade ok? At the end of this year, he will probably have a sub-.500 conference record in the last 7 years. There is a trend here that isn’t good.
Ferentz does all the same shit we make fun of MSU for. When can we buy the “Ferentz, NO!” t-shirts?
by Ratface McDougal on Oct 30, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, the team was competing for the
conference crown only a year and a half to two years ago. I don’t proclaim severe failure so quickly.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
You do realize they've won 10 games ONCE since 2004, right?
You really, really need to quit with the strawmen. How about as many ten win seasons than not? Is that absurd?
06 – 9 wins
07 – 10 wins
08 – 9 wins
09 – 11 wins
10 – 7 wins
11 – 12 wins
12 – 8 wins
13 – 10 wins
I think most people “whining” on here would accept something along those lines. But this is too much to ask for you?
meh
Yes.
I think having only one 7 win season in 9 years is rather pie-in-the-sky, for Iowa. Not even Hayden did that.
It isn’t easy to win 8, 9, 10, or more games.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure, but if he wants the same leeway that Hayden did...
…then he needs to win as much as Fry did. So Fry had back-to-back 6 & 7 win seasons but they were preceded by much, much better seasons than what Ferentz has preceded this year and last with.
Fry Ferentz
1st - 3 2
2nd - 2 1
3rd - 4 1
4th - 1 4
5th - 1 1
6th - 1
One's much, much more top-heavy than the other. Of course, I left out the first two years of Ferentz because you'd bitch that Fry left the cupboard bare while ignoring that he didn't exactly inherit a solid program himself.
When Fry put together the sort of mediocre run Ferentz is putting up, he got fired/resigned. I hope you're at least accepting of that. Ferentz has had one good season out of the last seven, and you won't acknowledge that. And in those years, he hasn't had a model program with fine, upstanding men. You seriously have your head stuck in the sand.
meh
I don't think it is unwatchable.
I was simply stating that under a 1-9 team there was a transformation to behold and that is what people were waiting for. Now that it has happened it makes these .500 seasons miserable. I traveled to Minny, have tickets to Lincoln and have had my seats in Kinnick for 8 years (Since I have been able to sock money away to have season tickets every year). Point is that when you play with this lack of fire, going through the motions on a good team, it makes you long for the days of kids that had to battle for the few wins they got because they wanted to win, not expected it.
I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry
by NileKinnickIronman on Oct 30, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you have any concrete proposals to change that attitude?
Or are we just calling the players entitled just for the sake of doing so?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I will go to every game I can get tickets to.
I will cheer loudly and proudly no matter the circumstances. I WON’t act like the Iowa fans behind me yesterday running their fucking sucks all day until the middle of the 4th quarter when they got up and left. I will stay to the bitter end in those close loses. But I won’t like when the Hawks are a better team than someone and come out flat and lay an egg. And this is the perfect place to find people that want to vent this out.
I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry
by NileKinnickIronman on Oct 30, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
And as far as entitled goes...
…….Prater and Reiff’s play this year might be a hint that hype will ruin a guy’s year. As upperclass leadership on this team goes, those two need to right this. They ARE talented, but I saw both of them dog it on several plays yesterday that led to Minnesota plays that could be conceived to be turning point type plays.
I learned a great many things in the Marines that helped me as a football coach. The Marines train men hard and to do things the right way, just as a football team must train. - Hayden Fry
by NileKinnickIronman on Oct 30, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
what the fuck type of fan were you to begin with?
Don’t fucking do that.
I am an Iowa fan (it usually ruins my day or weekend when the Hawks lose) and I am a fan of good football. I like both of these things because they are enjoyable. I am not going to watch bad football. I have better things to do with my life than that.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Life's too short to love an ugly woman, too
The answer? Aliens. Or not aliens.
by Blackheartnopants on Oct 30, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
That's fine. You're a connoisseur.
And I do think it is fine to be pissed about today, or losing twice in a row to the Gophers.
But don’t call yourself an Iowa fan if you believe that any season where the Hawks don’t win 10, or play like “scrappers”, or whatever, means that you are threatening to quit watching them until a new coach is hired.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, now that the self-righteous have weighed-in on the proper definition of a fan, I suppose I can quit my allegiance.
Chazz, is it alright if I keep watching wrestling or am I disqualified from that as well?
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
That depends.
If Iowa under-performs this year and finishes second or third in the big ten, and 5th or 6th in the NCAAs, are you going to threaten to hold your breath until they win another team title?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
are you going to threaten to hold your breath until they win another team title?
I like the team titles, but I like the attitude more. I won’t walk away from Tom Brands until he quits being who he is.
Being a fan of a team is more than having attended a university or having been born close to one. It means that you like the way the play. My allegiance is doled out on a merit-based system. If you deserve it, I will give it to you. If you don’t, sack up and get better.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Of course.
Because it is so much more helpful to just bitch about stuff. But my comments are horseshit. As are yours, Tyger.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
The stupidity of this analysis leaves me speechless.
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 30, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
On the plus side
I get to wear my “FREE FLOYD” shirt with relevance for another full year! That’s at a cost of JUST 3¢ A DAY! In these tough economic times it’s good to know that BHGP and the University of Iowa Football Team are looking out for my wallet. Thanks BHGP!
/uses FREE FLOYD shirt as a noose
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 30, 2011 12:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
/uses Kyle's shirt as a noose.
//stretches it out to all fuck.
///hands it back to Kyle, says “you’re welcome.”
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Great, now I have a loin cloth.
Thanks?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 30, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll wear it and it will rip off my body, Hulk style
The answer? Aliens. Or not aliens.
by Blackheartnopants on Oct 30, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
i too have the pleasure
of explaining to all what it means
to have him in minnejota hell
Long Live the Pellican Whore - like FOREVER
Hey, we get another year to sell them now!
New designs ahoy!
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So this is the venting thread.
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by therealCatnuts on Oct 30, 2011 12:16 PM CDT reply actions
Im not saying anyone should be fired
But the coaching job on this team the last 2 years has been the worst in a decade. Attitudes and schemes need to change.
It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.
by FiveSecondRuleChef on Oct 30, 2011 12:18 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm not saying anyone should be fired,
But the coaches are the worst they’ve ever been. Attitudes and game-planning needs to change. And if they don’t want to change, we need to zap their balls with a car battery until they decide to change, or they go bald. And someone needs to politely tell Norm Parker that he is a worthless shell of a human being, and he will not be allowed back into Kinnick Stadium until he is lying in a casket for his memorial service.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I know Chazz is ripping FSRC
But really, I respect Norm Parker a whole bunch, but he really, really needs to retire. And not to make things better at Iowa. He needs to retire because I don’t want him dying during a game or a practice. He needs to worry about his health. He is a good coach and I would do anything to have him back AND healthy, but math teachers don’t do a very good job at curing diabetes and amputated body parts.
Bethany: Were they sent to Hell?
Metatron: Worse. Wisconsin. For the entire span of human history.
How do you know more about his health
than Norm, or his employer?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude
His fucking toes are falling off.
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
Didn’t seem to keep Ron Santo from a career (although, I’m not a big Santo fan).
But we should probably put anyone with diabetes in a sort of caccoon, and just await their inevitable demise.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
He is unable to be at the sidelines
has missed significant season time
and has body parts FALLING OFF.
You don’t need to be Norm, his employer, nor a Dr. to call his health into question.
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, a doctor has apparently cleared him.
I don’t think KF would let him back without such approval.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a grown man making alot of money doing something he loves
A Dr would clear a comatose person in his situation
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
you have an irrationally low opinion of the medical profession
Job security for a coach is winning, job security for a doctor is living patients. A doctor can advise but not control a grown person. If Norm wants to keep working against medical advice he can. I am not saying this is going on but a doctor that lets a high profile patient die isn’t a doctor anymore – ask Michael Jackson’s doctor.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Oct 31, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Ron sat in a booth and talked on the radio. That was it.
That’s not even comparable to being a defensive coordinator.
Well Stated Ross....
I have just now found the ability to log on after pissing away several hundred dollars to treat my son and myself to witnessing first hand the embarresment that has become Iowa Footbal. My plan was to write a lengthy vent but Ross has kindly done that for me. I have only a few last thougts to add.
1. The continued strategy to waste clock rather than try to score at the end of the half. I guess the fond memory of how well that worked at the end of regulation at Iowa State was too compelling to not repeat.
2. How with all the coaches on the field and in the the press box did not one of them conclude that a a shitty team with nothing to lose and everything to gain might just onside kick with 8 minutes left in the game. Again I am sure they were reaching back to Wisconsin last year when they were they only ones on the face of the earth that were surprised that Wisconsin ran a fake punt in the closing minutes to steal that game. How could lightening stike again?
3. In the final drive could they have run Coker or thrown to Marvin. It is like if it works once, never go back to it. KOK instead went to his proven overtime failure package.
4. Where the fuck did the no huddle go? Was it deemed too deceptive and thus unfair to use.
I haven’t listened to Captian Kirk’s post game yet but if it is more of that smug arrogant don’t confuse your expectations with ours I am going to kick my Sony off the stand and I bet I don’t miss it left.
This is fucking painful beyond anything I could have ever expected this season….Lose to Minnesota again?
I love the smell of napalm in the morning...it smells like victory -- Lt. Col Bill Kilgore
Chazz, could I get some clarification?
I’m honestly (no sarcasm here) glad that there is a dissenting voice on the board because God knows the rest of us are angry and fed up with some of the things we are seeing in our program at the moment. Perhaps to a fault. But I want to know your thoughts on the game as someone who is on the other end of the spectrum from the rest of us.
Did the coaches do a good job?
Do we need to make changes in the program?
What does it mean to you to be a fan?
And anything else you want to add…
Because, from where I sit, I don’t understand where some of your responses are coming from and I genuinely want to know how the other end of the fanbase feels.
/ Knowthynenemy’d
I will haunt your dreams and eat your children.
Answer: Kirk Ferentz an do no wrong
And instead of addressing the issues he’ll attack the fans who act like fans after humiliating and inexcusable losses.
I'm not going to take the time to post as much as Chazz has on a day I'll be watching NFL
But suffice it to say there are people (myself being one) that side much more with Chazz on this than the sky-is-falling mob that seems to be forming.
It’s a venting day, I get that. I just hope for more reason and less emotion when all the dust settles in a couple days.
We’re not a good team this year. Happens. It will happen often in a small-population, rural state with a terrible recruiting base. Ferentz has done exremely well with these limitations, better than any other coach except maybe five others could have IMO. Call it blind Ferentz faith if you like, but I’ll take his history and give him many benefits of the doubt over Monday-morning posters doing the Chicken Little routine.
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by therealCatnuts on Oct 30, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
You cannot use that argument today
It is not relevant to why they lose the majority of close games.
by GreatBarrierReiff on Oct 30, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
This is pretty much where I'm at today too.
Losing to Minnesota stunk. Some of the playcalling stunk. Some of the execution stunk. So many things went against us yesterday that we can’t agree on what needs to be done. So go ahead and vent.
I hope, in another day or two, reason takes over and we can stick to rational arguments over emotional ones where we say regrettable things to one another because we disagree. I hope the people who are questioning the team’s emotion/passion/fire/whatever they want to call it realize how ridiculous that sounds. Do you really think the players and coaches aren’t emotionally invested in the outcome of the game when between practice, workouts, and film, they are putting in probably 40 hours a week on top of classwork (or probably at least 80+ hours in the case of the coaches)? You’re inferring an entire emotional state of 100 or so players and coaches from 3 hours of body language observed from the other side of a camera lens.
I think our biggest problem is just team depth. It has been said before, so I won’t re-hash it, suffice it to say defections and graduations have taken their toll, and players are being forced to play dinged up or before they’re really ready. Inexperienced players can’t handle too many wrinkles. Practices are more fundamental, so the offense is less prepared for opponents’ blitzing, and the defense is less prepared for trick plays. There isn’t much to be done about it but take our lumps for a while. And it won’t be fixed overnight, but as long as the players still buy into the coaches, I still feel there will be a peak on the other side of this valley. Now, if there are a ton of de-committed players and transfers following the season, then we may have a larger problem.
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by IPeeBlackAndGold on Oct 30, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
We’re not a good team this year. Happens. It will happen often in a small-population, rural state with a terrible recruiting base. Ferentz has done exremely well with these limitations, better than any other coach except maybe five others could have IMO. Call it blind Ferentz faith if you like, but I’ll take his history and give him many benefits of the doubt over Monday-morning posters doing the Chicken Little routine.
If you’re viewing yesterday’s game in a vacuum, I could agree with this. In a vacuum, it’s just the ultimate shit happens game — fumble in the red zone, miss two field goals, give up an onside kick, etc. The problem is that it’s difficult to view it in just a vacuum.
The things that killed us yesterday have been many of the same things that have killed us this year, last year, the year before that, and so on. That’s a trend, and a bad one. That’s what’s so concerning to me. Losing games the same way over and over again is very troubling. Our wretched record in close games is troubling. I want to believe that KF can fix those things, but — again — it’s not as if they appeared out of nowhere this year. And if he hasn’t been able to fix them yet, it makes me wonder how or when he’ll fix them in the future.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
this is what is baffling to me
We got our asses kicked in the 2003 OB and fault was taken by KF. He made significant changes to bowl prep and has a pretty f-ing good bowl record from that time until now.
Why was this staff able to make those changes but continues to get burned by special team trick plays, a defense that can’t get off the field and gives up drive after drive late in the game, not change whatever it is coaches change to make JVB better at blitz pick up, go back to the best RB performance we have had to get 50 yards/throw to the best WR (arguably) at Iowa for a decent game winning FG try or using a strength of our QB, the no huddle on the road? Also why is it that a RB gets one shot, if you fumble once early in the season you are relegated to clipboard duty for the year even if your #1 back is asking to come out of the game for a blow because he just carried the ball for 6 straight plays?
Why is this not possible? I continue to think about your post early in the year about taking a miracle to get a three and out or score a touchdown and I can’t figure out why this is the case. It was painfully obvious on Saturday that we were writing the perfect script on how to lose to a vastly inferior team on a talent level. It seemed to take a lot of work to lose this game but it appeared that our players and coaching staff were willing to put in the effort. I just don’t understand.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Oct 31, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
The coaches did NOT do a good job yesterday. Nor did the OL, the QB, the TEs, the Defense, or the Kicker or Punter.
Regarding changes to the program: maybe, or maybe not. I do want to see our current coaches adapt more and “throw in some wrinkles” more often. I don’t think we need to threaten to fire them if they don’t. I appreciate KF’s loyalty to his staff, even if those assistants are not future-Bill-Snyder and future-Barry-Alvarez. I’d like them to be more aggressive in the last two minutes of each half, and I’d like them to be more ready for fakes and maybe trick-plays. I’d like a few plays added to the offensive repertoire that Wizgerald has not seen. I’d like to see our defense occasionally confuse an offense with a blitz or a DL dropping back or something.
To me, being a fan means not whining every time your team loses a game. It means not calling them out for playing like robots, but then expecting robot-like-excellence from them at all times. It means occasionally making it to an Iowa game (particularly if Iowa makes a trip near you). Personally, I have season tickets 12 rows up in the south end zone, but I don’t think you are less of a fan if you don’t want to (or can’t) plunk down $350 per year. It means not calling for the coaches’ jobs when your team dares to go .500. It means acting nearly the opposite to your average CycloneFanatic commentor.
I am running with the premise that, since this Iowa coaching staff is pretty experienced and actually have paying jobs as Big Ten coaches, that they know more than I do. They see practice every day. They aren’t just using a magic 8 ball to set lineups or pick plays. They aren’t taking bets with each other on how many times in a row we can run the cover 2 without giving up a TD. They aren’t taking bets on how many times they can run an end-around for -2 yards before a fan runs on the field and stabs them (well, they might actually be doing this last one).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
we have been hoping for our coaching staff to "throw in more wrinkles" for the last 5 years
its not happening.
i get the whole “trust in ferentz” thing. i really do. but these arent new problems either. we say the same things at the end of every year and put “i hope we improve this” at the end and they never seem to improve. like “i hope Ferentz takes note of these special teams mishaps next year” or “i hope we run the blitz more” or “i hope we learn how to contain or stop a running QB”. these arent new statements, we have been saying those things for years now. at what point do you decide this guy is adverse to changing anything about how he plays?
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 30, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
"I don't think we need to threaten to fire them if they don't"
You do realize that we’ve basically lost the same game three times this year, right? And the overall reason for it was due to predictability, poor playcalling and bad execution. The “we don’t have talent” argument might work against teams like Penn State but it sure as shit won’t work against Iowa State or Minnesota. Those teams are AWFUL.
We’re making the same mistakes game after game, year after year. We forgive Kirk Ferentz for his mistakes when he manages to beat the teams he shouldn’t be able to. Now, we can’t even beat the teams we’re supposed to.
When you’re having an “off” year, you’re supposed to be able to make adjustments to offset the weaknesses of the program. We don’t do that. We run the same shit again and again and again hoping for the same results. Unfortunately, we don’t have 2008-2009 talent. And 2010? Well, what happens when the other teams figure you out? Yeah, that’s 2010.
We’re a figured out football team right now. We don’t have the horses to run our program and we’re trying the same old shit. Kirk Ferentz plays football a certain way and he expects his opponent to play the same: boring and no surprises.
So for you to basically say that he’s above criticism because he’s a football coach and we’re just lowly fans who can see EXACTLY what’s going on is just chickenshit.
But that's the point.
Criticism is fine. Acting like a bunch of ninnies is not.
I don’t buy the idea that the ISU, PSU, and Minny games were so much alike. They were all on the road, but I’d probably blame the defense for the ISU loss, the offense or the PSU loss, and the coaches and special teams for the Minny loss.
ISU is not awful. They aren’t good, but they aren’t awful. Either way, I think you can point to deficiency on defense this year as the huge problem, followed by an offense that has horrific timing on when to under-perform.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Cerainly not angry but DISAPPOINTED!
I couldn’t help but feel the entire game that the hawks were going to loose. It was a just a gut check, even up 11 it just didn’t seam like the Hawkeyes wanted to win, That was the most disparaging part. Waching the Gophers kick the onside with NO FUCKING Chance for the hawkeyes to feild the ball was sad.
Maybe i am loosing my passion for the game so the ups and downs aren’t so bad any more, maybe it becasue i am as Dumb as a Cubs Fan, you know from being a Cubs fan my entire life, maybe cause deep down inside I felt pity for old Floyd having to perhaps sit in an otherwise empty trophy case for an entire year (unless we really get lucky against NU).
I am just disappointed when we loose these games (see Western MI, Northwestern, ISU, Indiana…U get the point).
I’m done rambling.
By the way
Ferentz called that onside kick play “not totally surprising” and basically said “well yeah we should have had our hands team out there in that situation but uhhhhhhhhhh yeah”
i can handle losses, especially in a rebuilding year, and Ferentz cant control Meyer having a bad kicking game or guys not making catches, but no improvement on the defense? putting our worst catching TE in during passing plays? not running the ball once when he is averaging 10 yards per run? not catching an onside kick you YOURSELF would call an obvious call?
Q: “why is the offense so vulnerable to the corner blitz?” A: “sighhhhhhhh”
by the way, the post game reporters were funny. everyone was hammering ferentz with real questions that we all wanted to know and this one guy would always chime in with some easy question like “so Coker had a great game huh?” or “Did you feel you lost momentum?”
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 30, 2011 12:47 PM CDT reply actions
To keep the vent going:
Is it just me, or do Iowa’s opponents seem to be getting more fortunate breaks lately?
I’m not talking about the onside kick. That was Kill understanding that fortune favors the brave. I’m talking about fumbles that Iowa can’t recover, odd passes that bounce into receivers’ hands, challenges which should be upheld but don’t; a lot of that crap seems to be happening.
The answer? Aliens. Or not aliens.
by Blackheartnopants on Oct 30, 2011 12:50 PM CDT reply actions
That stuff happens a lot.
It’s just that you don’t notice it nearly as much as when you lose.
That being said, I STILL think Gray did not have that 4th down. He was stopped short. Still pisses me off, unless someone tells me they were there and he made it.
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by The Director on Oct 30, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a nebulous area, I know
But sometimes I think some of that stuff happens because a team is in place to catch a break.
Hell, I could be wrong.
The answer? Aliens. Or not aliens.
by Blackheartnopants on Oct 30, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The bouce off of the ref against Northwestern???
that was fucking retarded…i heard the PEE WEE Hermen voice in my hear, “I meant to do that”
passes that are so poorly thrown,
they bounce off the ref’s foot and into a WR’s hands to convert on a 3rd down?
by GreatBarrierReiff on Oct 30, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions
Yes!
The answer? Aliens. Or not aliens.
by Blackheartnopants on Oct 30, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I gotta leave, guys/gals.
I’m going to UNI’s first hoops exhibition of the year.
Have a great day. Keep the faith. Beat Michigan!
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
Michigan is going to cream us.
I’m going in expecting to lose by at least 21.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Totally.
Or I could see us winning by 17. It’s all pretty fucked up at this point.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
We'll see.
I’ll be there. I won’t leave early.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Yesterday was a textbook example..
of what happens to a team when everyone fails to execute on every play.
It wasn’t one play that cost the Hawks the game, but the totality of the mistakes:
- The two missed FGs.
- JVB missing a wide-open McNutt in the end zone in the 2nd quarter.
- The two deep pass plays Minnesota converted that led to points.
- The sacks/fumble because JVB held the ball too long/didn’t have protection.
- Arm tackling
- Dropped passes.
Any of these mistakes by themselves are survivable if everyone else executes properly and covers them. When all of these happens, victories are miracles.
But I can’t stay too pissed-off for very long at a bunch of 19-22 year olds that play a game for my enjoyment.
Yee-Haw! I ride again!
by Cornshoe Hammaker on Oct 30, 2011 12:57 PM CDT reply actions
Agreed.
I don’t think anyone with a scrap of reason & maturity is pissed at any of the players.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
There were literally ONLY two options on offense yesterday
1. up the middle with Coker
2. McNutt vs single coverage
No fucking FGs. No slow-developing play action on 3rd down. No trying to be diverse for the sake of being diverse. Just keep going with what works. Establish an identity so that your players aren’t waiting to make a play. It’s Minnesota—act accordingly
by GreatBarrierReiff on Oct 30, 2011 12:58 PM CDT reply actions
Our defense..
Is pretty slow for being undersized too
by GreatBarrierReiff on Oct 30, 2011 1:03 PM CDT reply actions
This, I can agree with.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably 2007.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Watching Stanford last night killed any happiness I had.
(Andrew Luck aside) Watching a physical pro-style team DOMINATE the line of scrimmage and execute a cohesive, 60-minute strategy to grind an opponent down just about did me in. I know they are hella talented and all, but it shows that we don’t need to reinvent the offensive wheel to be good. You can be an “execution” team still in this day and age of college football. The question is: what in the hell is happening currently? How we are so far behind the pro-style success of other “power” teams?
And Andrew Luck, I know. But I’m meditating on the scheme here.
Just beat jNW.
I'm not sure USC is all that great this year.
Check out their schedule, and prepare to be slightly underwhelmed:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/30/usc-trojans
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe not. I wasn't trying to coronate them though.
Sorry if it sounded like that. I just meant that if Stanford can use a pro offense and “execute” so well, we should be able to grind away some teams too.
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 30, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
They may not be great
But they’re good enough to beat Minnesota. Which makes them a much better team than us.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Oct 30, 2011 11:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I was wondering how long it would be until someone commented to that effect.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 31, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Although I don't think that firing Ferentz would be a good thing for the program
(the job security Iowa has shown is a great selling point for hiring a coach)
I wouldn’t mind if he got his NFL offer & took a walk
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 1:31 PM CDT reply actions
Vikings job. It could happen.
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 30, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
No way Kirk moves to Los Angeles
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Oct 30, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
LOLZ
Actually, I could see him getting hired at KC, end of this year or next.
I’m not sure he leaves to go to a re-building job. At least KC has plenty of talent (a ton of it is just hurt right now).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
KC is probably the only NFL team that would take him
And that’s because he & Piloli are friends.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Maybe, maybe not.
It does appear that both NFL and major colleges are trending toward younger candidates.
Being part of the Belichick coaching tree helps KF (though not as much as 4 years ago, thanks to Josh McDaniels, Romeo Crennel, Charlie Weis).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
The NFL is going to want a high level of success
over an extended period. KF doesn’t have that.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Not always.
Some have hired hot-shot young assistants. But, that doesn’t really point to Ferentz.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
This is not a jab at any of your opinions, but the overall tone says much to me
I’m not saying Kirk should be fired, but …
I think the Iowa fanbase has reached some kind of Rubicon/Point of No Return/Dramatic Metaphor of Your Choice
The answer? Aliens. Or not aliens.
by Blackheartnopants on Oct 30, 2011 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Dumpster Fire? Really?
This might mark the first time in History that Iowa has tried to copy ISU and not the other way around.

Executive Producer - WRNL TV
That's pretty much how
all or most of us feel. It just irks me, and I even loss sleep thinking how we could lose to a absolutely terrible team. And ultimately, as you said, it falls on KF’s shoulders. I think we can say good bye to Rodney Coe and any other decent recruit that was considering Iowa after that game.
by IAinCA on Oct 30, 2011 1:57 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
When I was watching this team play yesterday, I felt like I was watching 2009 Notre Dame.
In the way that there’s obvious talent on the team, especially on offense, but the team just plays like losers. I only see this type of thing when a team 1)lacks leadership and, more often, 2)doesn’t believe in the coaching schemes.
This is a big problem and one that’s not especially easy to fix. If things stay the way they are, I mean sure, we’ll pull off a trip to a BCS bowl once every 5 or 6 years whenever we have a team that’s loaded with leadership and NFL talent, but there will be a lot of underachieving and mediocrity in between.
In my mind, the solution is new coordinators. I think the positional coaches, Doyle, and Ferentz do a fantastic job of recruiting and developing talent and I like many (but not all) of Ferentz’s coaching philosophies in general, but where we always seem to fall short is in game preparation and in-game adjustment; which is firmly in the realm of the coordinators. Add to that the fact that, at least from my prospective, the players (and recruits probably as well, what highschooler would get excited about playing for Norm or KOK at this point?) no longer believe in the offensive and defensive play calling and schemes, and the solution becomes obvious.
Also, I know there are some people that like to argue that KOK (and to a lesser extent Norm) are mainly just puppets doing Ferentz’s bidding. If that’s truly the case, why do we even need coordinators? Ferentz could just call plays himself (shouldn’t be too complicated, considering our offense) like Chip Kelly does, for example, and we could get another coach somewhere we need it…. like say special teams.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
It kills me that you are right.
It just slays me that this analysis is spot on. (tears)
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 30, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Pain
I understand that the game is always won in the stands and that some fans can be very irrational when it comes to college football. But for a seasoned staff not to understand who they are playing I just don’t understand our strategy. I’m going to assume that most of the people on this post have played some kind of competitive sports and we have all played on winning and losing teams. You come out in the first qtr and punch a team like Minnesota in the mouth again and again. You do the same in the first part of the second qtr. Fans start to set on their hands, the mind of the players goes into "well let’s at least play hard" mode and the coaches start to use the game as practice for next week, you know work on improving. You don’t keep feeding the emotion of the underdog and keep them believing. Because then you have to play all four qtrs. If we could mesh Hayden and KF you would have the best of both worlds. HF wins the games he is supposed to and KF wins the bowl games. The changes need to be made at the assistant level. Changes are not uncommon in the assistant positions with long term coaches. This is part of being the head coach. The more frustrating things for me are the basic decisions that are made in certain situations. Blitzing inside the 10 yard line when you have a short field, failure to capitalize on TO’s, offensive possessions that we throw away, lack of pressure on apposing qb, all special team play, some of the most inept 4th qtr clock mgt I have ever seen and what seems to be an unwillingness to play with extreme aggression in situations that call for it. Example of the latter would be allowing young apposing qbs to stand in the pocket and get comfortable and the failure offensively or defensively to go after players out of position or new subs that come in for injured players on apposing teams. These aren’t new issues they happen no matter if we are winning or losing. Look KF isn’t a rah rah guy he is more like an accountant, hence the conservative Katie bar the doors in many situations. Stagnation can be a program killer and we have a bad case of it right now. As an Iowa fan I know we are not going to compete on the same level as the top five programs in the nation all the time and I fully accept that fact. But I want to know that my team and coaches put the best possible effort on the field of play against every team we face. So that when all the cosmic tumblers fall in place and we have the opportunity and a better than average chance to beat the top programs in the country, we can. This has been the most painful 5-3 season and it’s not over. We could very easily go 0-4 to end the season. As my wife has informed on several occasions "it is either the Hawkeyes or the alcohol not both". But honey, I WANT BOTH!
Ugh
A day late cause I was too emotional last night to think about it. God, could we please get some emotion? I could go on and on about the coaching which sucks, but these guys just don’t care. Watching the videos of past games every week and watching the fire our defense used to play with kills me. Everyone but Kirk saw that on sides kick coming, please coach pay attention to the game that should have been an easy win but that stubborn bastard insists on making everything difficult. Shit.
"The more I get hit, the more they git hit" - Marcus Coker
Kirk showed some emotion yesterday.
He ran out on the field and argued with the refs after they called pass interference on Minnesota’s two-point attempt.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
There have been times lately when I watch
Where I feel like the Hawks are waiting to get punched in the mouth by the other team.
The answer? Aliens. Or not aliens.
by Blackheartnopants on Oct 30, 2011 3:27 PM CDT reply actions
You know, I've slept on it...sat on it during the course of the day...
and I’m not even that mad anymore. Really, I’m not. Definitely disappointed, but I really don’t have that much energy to be very angry. This loss is essentially the low point in now long line of close losses that follow a frustratingly similar script. We were all so excited when the coaches seemed to finally get the message and change some of their play calling. But for whatever reason, we regressed back to the old Iowa yesterday. From the players to the coaches, this team seems to be surprised that our opponents actually want to, you know, win.
I can buy that we aren’t a good team, and that we are in the middle of a rebuilding year (coupled with injuries across the board). That makes sense to lose to the likes of, say, Penn State, and even Iowa State…
But to lose to Minnesota the way we did was just flat out embarrassing. I’d hoped we would come fired up for a rivalry game against a team that had beaten us THE SAME FUCKING WAY last year, but apparently that was too much to hope for. The onside kick that EVERYBODY on the game thread (and apparently most of the people watching at home and at the game) saw coming from a FUCKING MILE AWAY…was apparently a complete surprise to the Iowa squad. That inability to recognize your opponent’s desire to win at all costs is essentially the story of the past few years. Wisconsin. Northwestern. Iowa State. Minnesota. These teams not only know us and EVERYTHING we do on gameday, but they all want to beat us.
If the coaches we have can’t at least recognize that…then we need changes. I’m not calling for drastic changes to the offensive or defensive playbook. Just asking for somebody who can at the very least realize that our opponents will take advantage of our ridiculously predictable game plan. Because I’m convinced now KF and Co. haven’t figured that out.
waiting in the wings
Is Mike Stoops. Bring him on as Co-defensive coordinator. Let him coach here for 5 years or so, and then get him a job in NFL if he wants it.
It would rejuvenate our D, take pressure off of Norm, and provide options should KF retire.
by Vandy's Mom Digs Me on Oct 30, 2011 3:57 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
I don't disagree, but defense wasn't our problem yesterday.
We gave up about as many as most people expected and less than our season average.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
You're arguing that the defense wasn't the problem?
I think the offensive playcalling was terrible but 21 points should be enough to beat Minnesota. I don’t know if people realize just how bad this Minnesota team is. Go back and listen to the podcast and listen to the Minnesota guy talk about just how awful things are there. 22 points isn’t a terrible allowance…if we’re playing Illinois or Michigan State or Purdue or any team that isn’t fucking Minnesota. Bravehawk points out that Minnesota managed 14 against Nebraska…what? So did Wyoming! Fresno State put up 29! The Huskers defense gives up almost 23 points a game: this isn’t 1996. Yes, they stifled MSU on Saturday, we should all be shocked that Michigan State laid an egg in a game they weren’t supposed to. Spartan football: never as good as we should be.
If there’s any theme over the last few years it’s a defense that doesn’t necessarily stink, but one that collapses under pressure when the game is on the line. I had the same thought on Minnesota’s final drive as I did against Wisconsin last year; just let them score so we can get the ball back with lots of time. Naturally, we “fought” them all the way (read: gave up 7-10 yards a play bleeding clock all along) and then got to marvel at our Two Minute Offense Comedy of Errors.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 31, 2011 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I was speaking within the scope of this season.
Our defense gives up, on average, 23 ppg; their offense, on average scores 18.
Our offense scores 35 on average, their defense gives up 34.
Score was 22-21, do you really think the defense is to blame. If Meyer or Vandy/the O-line in pass protection play better, we win.
Plus, Nebraska’s defense is arguably getting better while ours seems to be getting worse.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 31, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Fuck that purple faced douchebag.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Oct 30, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree. He's intolerable.
He really could drive me to just watch Stanford. I’m not trying to idly threaten, but he’s a disaster of an in-game coach. Can’t speak to him off the field, never seen it.
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 30, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Got 'em right where we want 'em
KF’s rope-a-dope is working to perfection! None of our final 4 opponents will even waste time preparing for us. Pasadena here we come…
by BamaGatorHawk on Oct 30, 2011 4:20 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
everything's the problem
You’re right. Except Stoops happens to be available. Make the move to get him. His dad was buried in a Hawkeye jersey. Hayden attended the funeral. He will light a fire under Norm’s 6 seconds of hell.
by Vandy's Mom Digs Me on Oct 30, 2011 4:27 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
Norm needs to just retire
Stoops would be a great hire, but none of this co-coordinator crap. It’s time for a change in philosophy.
by Quinn Early: Motivational Speaker on Oct 30, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Alright I may not be a dude
let alone be a football coach or player…
…. I felt like I knew that onside kick was going to happen right then. I mean the one Minnesota guy was sprinting around the other side as the kicker was running up. wouldn’t that have cued the guys up front that something is going on? no?
… but, again, not a dude… or coach or player. I’m just a woman that had a feeling ;)
and that's another Hawkeye first down... EHAWW!!
I said yesterday
They would have been stupid not to try it. Regardless of our inability to score, we had chewed clock and run the ball well all day. We very easily could have burned the remainder of the quarter.
by Quinn Early: Motivational Speaker on Oct 30, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking onside because Kill had gone for it on 4th down
On his own 40?ish. I think that’s where he did it. To me that translated to end of game strategy time. I suppose because of the way Iowa had been running the ball and eating clock. So the onside seemed like a logical call, to me at least.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Oct 30, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
In reference to the dumpster fire pic above -
Is that a Dumpster full of poop? Because it would be entirely appropriate if it were a Dumpster full of poop, that’s on fire.
Carry on.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 5:13 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
It might very well be.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Kirk responds:
“Dumpster fire full of poop? That’s not how we saw it, but clearly the sanitation team didn’t execute properly. It’s getting better, but we need to have a good week of practice and execute next Saturday against Michigan.”
The answer? Aliens. Or not aliens.
by Blackheartnopants on Oct 30, 2011 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
/snort
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Right?
His press conferences have gotten tense, and his answers have gotten snarkier. Something has to be up, right?
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 30, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
He's been ducking
I think it was Howe saying that he deflected good questions from MasCasa and Hlas. To me that just shows a complete lack of accountability. Own up for your fucking mistakes and quit covering for people or yourself.
In our last 12 games, we are 6-6, including 2-5 in Big Ten games.
Which means we are only better than Indiana in that time.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
by StoopsMyAss on Oct 30, 2011 6:18 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
REC'D
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
but hey everything is fine!
Yep everything is coming up roses. Wait. What?
by djwoody on Oct 30, 2011 7:30 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
And that includes last year
When talent and experience were not issues at most positions. When we entered the year on a roll and highly ranked.
by Quinn Early: Motivational Speaker on Oct 30, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
But Stoops the public wants to know who we played in those last 12 games!
Our non-con this year. And the B1G breaks down like this
2 games against Indiana
2 against NW
2 against Minnesota
1 OSU
1 PSU
The 2 wins were against NW this year and Indiana last year. And we are a dropped Belcher ball and a few different plays from being 0-7 in B1G play…..atrocious.
But that's the point isn't it
We keep losing games in the same fashion. There is no adjusting to what happened in the previous game. It’s like watching motherfucking Groundhog Day. Yesterday was the same as Minny last year, as well as OSU and Wisky.
by Quinn Early: Motivational Speaker on Oct 30, 2011 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Last year our defense gave up 5 late fourth quarter drives resulting in 5 late go ahead TDs.
And there should have been a sixth against indiana with the exception of the Belcher drop….how are we not losing them in the same fashion? The only game we’ve lost recently in different fashion as PSU who was actually up 3 points before getting the late fourth quarter drive to seal the game.
Feel free to bitch slap for this...
But the offense was also a tremendous problem last year. Just like vs. Minnesota this year, the offense had lots of yards and no points to show for it at all. It was just sad. Then, come Q4, the offense would promptly go 3-and-out and keep the defense on the field for nearly the entire quarter.
The defense was sad, but the coaches basically maimed them with their game management.
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 30, 2011 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
To change the subject ever so slightly, because we have this same debate after every debilitating loss to an awful opponent
If Iowa goes winless in November (a plausible, if not probable, scenario at this point), what does Bloodpunch do? Is it a Zook situation (change out the coordinators, leave the HC)? Is it more? Is it anything at all?
Discuss.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
Probably nothing until Kinnick stops selling out, but if we have another losing season next year...
Once that happens, it will probably be a Zook thing, except I’m not sure Ferentz will actually be willing to fire Norm and KOK and that might end up getting him fired.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see him doing anything, frankly.
Not yet. If (when?) the same shit happens again next season, maybe. Maybe. But even then… I don’t know. Technically speaking, yeah, Bloodpunch is Kirk’s boss. Realistically speaking? Mmmmmm, yeah, maybe not so much.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel the same.
I don’t see Barta as the kind of guy who gives ultimatums to coaches about their staffs.
Also, it is tough to get that way when the coach still goes .500 or close to it. If/when Iowa makes a bowl this year, how do you go to the head coach and get demanding of him?
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
If he goes 6-6, I agree nothing happens.
And if he goes 5-7, I suspect that there still won’t be any change.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Oct 30, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I think if we go 5-7....
Barta puts a little pressure on Norm to try to hang them up. Or at least step down from the DC spot. Gives one of the coordinators that has been waiting forever a chance to step up. May not result in anything but will also sate some of the Bloodlust. While I agree that nothing really happens until Kinnick stops selling out I wouldn’t be surprise to see a large hit in athlethic donations if we have a losing season.
2005-2007
No coach at any D1 program would have survived that.
There is no firing of Kirk, the man must have some compromising photos of someone.
Hawks for the win and falafels for the vagina
by DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? on Oct 30, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Even if they wanted to fire him
would Iowa be willing to buy out like seven more years of his contract?
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Also, this.
I think we have KF until he chooses to leave, or until he puts the program into a death spiral. And I feel confident we won’t go into full-death-spiral mode.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
But what if we tell him he needs to fire his coordinators and he resigns instead?
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
What is the leverage?
You have to be willing to fire the guy if he doesn’t comply.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
Couldn't the University just say they're going to fire the coordinators if he doesn't?
They’re the ones paying them.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Not an appealing scenario.
That would pretty much blow the “Iowa is kind to football coaches” reputation we seem to have.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I've never heard that we have this rep
I’ve only heard the “Iowa shows blind loyalty to Kirk Ferentz” rep.
We have had two coaches in 30 years,
one is a legend, the other is paid well.
That’s being kind to coaches. We were a "coach-killing program’ before that.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Chazz
Kirk had a much better team than this just absolutely quit on him at the end of the season. I think the Hawks are fully capable of death-spiral.
Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein
I hope you are wrong.
I’d like to think guys like Prater, Morris, Coker and Vandy would not let that shit happen this year (or next year, sans Prater).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing happens. Nothing happened after 2007.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Oct 30, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
and then the team went 9-4 and 11-2 following
which might make Barta more likely to let it ride
yep. Also a big reason I've left the panic button in the closet myself
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Oct 30, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I honestly don't understand this mentality.
We’re accepting of 5 and 6 win seasons as long as there is a 9 and 10 win season in there, too.
meh
We'll discuss it in a couple days when things calm down
For now, vent away. I’ll stay out of it.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Oct 30, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
hahahahaha
we won’t discuss it. I am out and about and didn’t even watch the game. In fact, I has part of my nose bit off by a dog about the time the game was going on. Suffice to say, if there’s emotion, it’s yours. But accepting of mediocrity is a destiny for mediocrity.
meh
You got bit by a dog on Saturday?
Wow. Sounds like a super-shitty weekend.
I wish you the best. Really.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 31, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It all depends on the big money boys, yeah?
If they are as sick of losing to terrible teams and to ISU as we are, they might make a call to Barta. But I’d guess that they aren’t, and Bloodpunch will defer to Ferentz to try and turn things around. Another losing season (which given our depth issues, certain looks possible) and maybe things change. I would say that it wouldn’t surprise me if Norm retired, but I thought he might leave last year. And they’ll just promote Phil Parker and run the same bullshit bend and break D.
by Ratface McDougal on Oct 30, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Common misconception but Phil and Norm are not related.
maybe you already knew that so I’ll just state it for those that didn’t. So unless you were referring to the fact that they both believe strongly in the bend but don’t break philosophy there isn’t too much to fear from Phil. But I feel like the DC job would probably more likely go to the LB coach who called plays in norms absence last year or the D line coach with the really long name.
I know they aren't related
I just thought he was also a bend dont break guy that had been with Norm since MSU. And would likely get promoted because he runs the same system.
by Ratface McDougal on Oct 30, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
But maybe your right
and they would promote the LB coach.
by Ratface McDougal on Oct 30, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
you're
geez, losing to Minny apparently turns my brain to mush.
by Ratface McDougal on Oct 30, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I miss that all the time.
Have a friend that yells at me every time I text her incorrectly. Damn spelling police.
Winless November? Major staff changes.
The answer? Aliens. Or not aliens.
by Blackheartnopants on Oct 30, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
The film coordinator will be fired.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Oct 31, 2011 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions
bullshit
He is the Coach of the Year.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Oct 31, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Saying for the sake of argument he does have to fire his coordinators after this year, who do we want as replacements?
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not on the Mike Stoops band-wagon.
I don’t know enough about other teams’ assistants to speak intelligently about who we could hire away from them.
Therefore, I could see us promoting a current Iowa defensive assistant. If we did so with an offensive candidate, I’d could tolerate Campbell and I could imagine (though not real enthusiastically) Erb. I don’t like the idea of Reese Morgan or Eric Johnson as an OC.
I think, if I was dreaming, it would be cool to bring in Greg Mattison from Michigan to be our DC. But, it would take a bunch of money.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd take Luke Fickell and Jim Bollman if they don't keep their jobs after this season.
They’d probably fit in pretty well with Ferentz’s coaching philosophy too.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 30, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this is Norm's last year
I think he’ll retire, not get fired. KOK may actually score a head coaching job somewhere, he took a run at Indiana no reason to think he’ll stop trying.
And hopefully there’s enough pressure that KF is forced to go outside the program.
If we go 5-7, and lay a turd next year I think Ferentz is done. At any rate, I don’t think he finishes out his contract. When his last kid graduates high school, he leaves IC for an NFL front office job.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
From an outside (Nebraska) perspective:
The half-full:
-Iowa can still win the Big 10.
-Coker is a death-dealer.
-You’re going to beat MSU, Michigan, or Nebraska – all of whom are capable of playing flat, shit sandwich games against teams they don’t see coming. Maybe two of those three.
-ISU just went on the road and SMOKED a Texas Tech team that beat OU in Norman last week. They’re better than we all thought.
-The bowl game will happen for the Hawks. Maybe even somewhere warm.
The half-empty:
-There might be slide happening here. Nebraska has had two in 11 years; we should know it when we see it. It’s possible that KF was Frank Solich, and now he’s Bill Callahan.
-Every other loss this year is excusable, but Iowa should have beaten Minnesota by three touchdowns.
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."-George Bernard Shaw
Thanks for joining the fray.
I think your first bullet point is laughably preposterous (even if it is technically possible). The rest, though, yeah, I’m with you. And that’s a big part of what makes this all so maddening.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 30, 2011 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Dammit.
It’s a sensible Nebraska fan. This is not what we need to inspire the proper hatred to try to beat the Huskers in a month.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I don't inspire the requisite hatred,
…you can always look at the expression that’s constantly on Taylor Martinez’s face. That ought to do it.
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."-George Bernard Shaw
Did you read his post?
He seems like a nice bloke and I warmly welcome him, but sensible he is not. In a short post he said:
“Iowa can still win the Big 10”
“You’re going to beat MSU, Michigan, or Nebraska..”
by Iowa Refugee on Oct 30, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
Personally, I’ve got a feeling…woo hoo…. that we’ll find a way to beat one of those three.
I’m not currently booking travel plans to Indy for the B10 title game.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's have a little fun with statistics
Quick, let’s peg our chances in each of those games. I’ll take a stab at it and say:
35% Michigan
35% MSU
30% Nebraska
Chances of winning one of those three: 1 – (1-0.35)(1-0.35)(1-.3) = 70.425% chance we win one of the three. Better than Blackjack.
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Oct 30, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not even counting the Purdue game!
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women & song. The other half I wasted.
by therealCatnuts on Oct 30, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I like this Husker fan
Welcome aboard.
But, I will disagree that the loss at Iowa State loss was excusable. I might excuse the players, who had the ball taken out their hands, but not the coaching staff.
by iowabeakster on Oct 30, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Fortune favors the bold...
That’s exactly what went through my head when MN recovered the onside kick. That call, and a few others took serious balls, and you could see it in all the Gopher players. They were going fucking nuts. Their coaches were taking risks and playing to win, and I knew they were going to at that point, even though the scoreboard still said they were down.
Meanwhile, Kirk ran out a minute + of game time right before the half yet again. It’s just sickening to see our beloved Hawkeyes go out and play to not lose over and over again, and manage to lose anyway. I’m not calling for anyone’s firing or any of that garbage; just venting. Where is the fire, the passion?
Minnesota had to take chances,
because they have had such a bad year.
Iowa has to play tense, because half the fanbase calls for KF’s head anytime anything goes wrong.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2011 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Why should that make them tense?
By now, it’s pretty established that Ferentz is immune to public criticism and anger over his losses, his putative boss won’t hold him accountable. yet the team still plays tense. Maybe it’s not for the reason you are so quick to blame.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Chazz,
I DO NOT WANT to argue. I understand your thoughts. I too have appreciation for KF. I want him to stay. I don’t understand the apologist policy that you take, though.
KF is a good developmental coach.
KF has done good things since being at Iowa.
KF is not a douche.
But for fuck’s sake, he does need to make changes. Playing “not to lose” has LOST several games lately, against inferior teams (even truly awful teams). The team has/is under-performing their potential. I hope you can understand the viewpoint of others too. They have every right to be very disappointed to see repetitive losses out of games where Iowa fields better teams than the opponent.
It’s not that “anytime anything goes wrong” people call for his head. Things go wrong all the time. That’s not a problem, as football is chaotic. Its because "the same things go wrong, consistently " they are calling for a change. It’s that fans are tired of seeing this team failing to meet VERY legitimate expectations (beating bad teams), often due to in-game coaching decisions/style. A head coach change is probably not the first step, on that I COMPLETELY agree with you. But if KF & Co. don’t seem to capable or willing to do ANY changes? What do do? What is the “right” amount of time to allow the players and program to continue like this?
People will have varied answers.
by iowabeakster on Oct 31, 2011 12:32 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Very well put.
Very few really want KF fired, but maintaining the status quo of coaching not to lose and coaching down to the competition is unacceptable.
What makes it all worse is that we’ll probably come out and beat one or both of the Michigan schools now, and in convincing fashion (just like last year), but it will be a mirage (just like last year), and enough of the fanbase will be placated and fooled into believing that “the Good Captain” has righted the ship and everything’s hunky dory. And then we’ll go on the road and get eviscerated by an inferior team in a crappy stadium (just like last year). And then we’ll go to some middling-but-not-terrible bowl game, beat whatever other middling team for which we have a month to prepare, Ferentz will tear up, everyone gets a warm fuzzy, rinse, repeat.
Fool me once…
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 31, 2011 6:10 AM CDT up reply actions
And it shouldn't really need to be said, but I'll say it anyway,
This does not mean I don’t want Iowa to win next week or next week, or the week after, etc.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 31, 2011 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Can I ask why you think they played not to lose against MN?
They lost. Mistakes were made. But I don’t recall anything that made me think they weren’t trying to win.
I politely disagree with some of what you say.
We have a good coach. Not a great coach. He is being paid as a great coach.
Nobody is happy with losing to Minny twice within a calendar year.
I have repeatedly said I’d like KF to make some changes (or adaptations). I don’t think staff changes are necessary right now.
I don’t think it is as easy to win major college football games as some make it out to be. Even good teams sometimes get caught by kinda shitty teams. See Oklahoma’s home loss to TexTech, and then TTech gets slapped down at home by ISU the next week.
I realize Minny was horrific, and is not even really on TTech’s level right now. And I realize Iowa is losing to more “mediocre” teams than we all would like. But it is going to happen. We don’t go 5 years undefeated here at Iowa. I still think KF can make a Rose Bowl (not this year, but sometime in the future).
It kind of reminds me of the criticism Andy Reid takes all the time. Is the guy an all-time great? No. Would Philly have won a title by now if they had Belichick or Mike Tomlin? Maybe. But Reid has taken Philly to some nice seasons. This year looks like a shitstorm, and he turns around and slaps Dallas down by 30.
Well, I hope we slap Michigan, or MSU, or Nebby down by 30. We did it to MSU last year (yes, I realize the teams are quite different).
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 31, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
lets assume this shitty play an coaching continues through next year
is Ferentz gone?
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 31, 2011 1:49 AM CDT reply actions
Doubt it
Unless he refuses to radically change his coaching staff and offensive/defensive philosophies.
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by Twin Cities Hawk on Oct 31, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
My dad has been an Iowa fan since the earth was formed.
But this Saturday evening he officially resigned as such. I am betting he’s not the only one. Kinnick sells out because of people like him. After a few more years of this BS though, I’m betting it won’t, unless that many people just like a good reason to get drunk.
I’m not requesting KF be fired. But if he’s not willing to make any changes, then maybe it’s not off the table. It’s not that he is not a good coach, but his current strategy is not what Iowa fans are looking for right now, and it’s not winning a majority of games. KF has done some great things for this program, but maybe he’s a foundation coach and it’s going to take someone different to get us to the next level. (And I don’t want to hear about how Iowa can’t be an elite team b/c we’re a redneck state with no appeal. Ever been to Nebraska?)
Simply the fact that we’ve all been having this argument for a couple of years now speaks for itself. I bet if we looked up some threads from last fall, some of these posts would practically be verbatim. I’m sick of being accused of not being a good fan because I’m pissed off. A good fan expects their team to give their all and sticks by them win or lose. When said team/coach fails to give a flying EFF about winning/losing, it does not make you a bad fan if you start to question the setup.
If Iowa had not won a single game all year but they had tried their freaking hardest, I’d be a hell of a lot happier. (Iowa State still has fans, don’t they?) If we accidentally missed a couple field goals here, got duped by an awesome trick play there, had some injuries in another game and the depth wasn’t there, that would be a different story. But losing nearly EVERY loss because of poor coaching decisions, poor time management, poor morale, and just plain a lack of effort is not biding well with me, or with many others from the sounds of it.
If there are some Iowa fans who will defer to the coaches as all-knowing all the time and not get upset no matter what happens, then good for them. I’m not one of them. I’ve never been the type to settle in any aspect of my life, and college football is no different. It doesn’t make me bandwagon, and it doesn’t make me a headhunter.
unless that many people just like a good reason to get drunk.
I fear this is a pretty big chunk of the Kinnick crowd. Like, 25% or 30% big.
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 31, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The most galling part of all this
was the post-game press conference. Ferentz ducked, weaved and basically did anything but take the blame. And that has been the most troubling and consistent part of Ferentz the past few seasons. He demands his players hold themselves accountable – and woe onto the player(s) who don’t – but he has been unwilling to do so for the man in the mirror.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
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Are you fucking kidding me?
"I think I said during the week we really didn’t do a very good job of showing up last year [referring to last season’s 27-24 defeat at Minnesota]," Ferentz said. "Our effort was really lacking and their’s wasn’t. Today, they outplayed us in all three phases, but I don’t think it was a lack of effort on our part."
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
So if it wasn't a lack of effort and he won't take the blame,
then what exactly does he think is going on? Is he implying that Minnesota is just a better team than Iowa? There aren’t many other options left. Yikes!
I don't know
But if he truly believes that, then there is no hope at all. Even worse, he’s back to using the “your expectations, not ours” bullshit:
"Those are your words, the teeth of our schedule," coach Kirk Ferentz said. "We think all conference games are tough, at least history has proven that. When you play in a conference, if you don’t take that attitude, I think you’re really missing the boat, home or away, and we’ve got four more games left.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
But that's kind of true.
All Big Ten teams can get a win against even the lower or mid-tier B10 teams.
If he didn’t think the conference games were tough, we’d blame him for that attitude and its effect on the players.
As is, I’m not sure why the players haven’t completely shown up for the game at the bank the last two years. I wonder if they are used to playing in a full stadium at Kinnick, and then they go to Minny or IU or jNW with a half-full crowd, and they just don’t feel the same “buzz.”
We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 31, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
are you fucking kidding me?
He said the guys played hard, but lost. He complimented his players as well as the other team throughout the presser, while still being disappointed about losing. That’s okay for a coach to say.
I couldn’t watch Saturday, due to family obligations. Yay, lucky me. Deleted from the DVR without watching. Sunday morning I concluded that I can’t watch this team for the rest of the year. The word I’ve settled on his “disheartening”. Losing to Minnesota, one of the worst teams in Division 1, conference notwithstanding, is embarassing. If the coach’s don’t feel that way, after the last 2 years, honestly, I just don’t know what to think.


























