So A.J. Derby Is A Linebacker Now
It was the message board topic du jour last week and confirmed by Saturday's activities, where Derby (1) did pre-game workouts with the linebackers rather than the quarterbacks, (2) played on special teams (and recorded a tackle), and (3) talked about the move after the game. So yeah: A.J. Derby, who started the year as Iowa's QB2, is now a linebacker. Does this make sense? Is this a good idea? Are any more bus windows in danger? ("DON'T HEADBUTT ME, BRO!") Let's try to break it down.
Position changes are not exactly uncommon at Iowa, but in-season position changes are relatively rare (at least significant position changes; we're not talking about stuff like "oh hey I was a cornerback last week and now I'm a free safety" or "golly, I was a slot receiver but then AIRBHG did his wicked thing and now I'm a running back... shit"). The last ones that readily spring to mind are A.J. Edds (who moved from tight end to linebacker in 2007 during one of AILBHG's early streaks of terrormongering), Adam Robinson (who bounced between running back and defensive back for part of 2008), and Marvin McNutt (who saw the writing on the wall at QB when the Heismanzi emerged in '08 and made a move to WR that's turned out better than anyone could have ever dreamed). The McNutt move was permanent from the moment it happened -- Stanzi was establishing himself as a nice option at QB and Iowa had some depth there, both for the immediate future (Christensen was still around, after all) and the distant future (both James Vandenberg and John Wienke were redshirting that fall). It made little sense for an athlete of Marvin's caliber to idle on the bench.
The moves made by Edds and Robinson were made out of necessity and didn't have the same sense of permanence that McNutt's move had. Edds' move did become permanent, mainly because he proved to be an absolute natural at linebacker with uncommon pass coverage skills. (And it didn't hurt that Iowa's tight end depth wasn't lacking, between Tony Moeaki, Brandon Myers, and Allen Reisner.) Robinson's move, on the other hand, was very temporary, and he was back at running back before too long (where he proved to be pretty successful in '09 and '10).
So is Derby's move more like Robinson (temporary and purely to fill an emergency void) or more like Edds (permanent)? According to Derby, it sounds like the latter:
Derby indicated the change is intended to be permanent. He was unsure how long before he’d get a chance to play defense.
"Technique," Derby said. "It’s hard to go from quarterback to linebacker."
And Ferentz gave it the ol' "definitely maybe:"
Ferentz said the position switch will be permanent for the time being.
But also said this:
Ferentz said the move was made in large part to the need of depth in the linebacking corps, which has been dealt with injury issues all season dating back to the start of fall camp.
"The propensity we’ve had for having a need for linebackers over the last two years, it just seemed like a logical move," Ferentz said. "The nice thing about it is he has still got three years in the program."
The reality is that while a temporary condition (the ongoing disaster zone that is the linebacker unit) may have been the tipping point for the move, it was almost certainly made with a more long-term view in mind. It's probably expecting too much for a guy who's been solely focused on quarterback over the last 18 or so months to immediately become a decent linebacker; unless he's a really quick study or the injury situation gets even more precarious, Derby's primary contribution to the team for the rest of the year will probably be from the same spot he made an impact on Saturday: special teams. So if that's the case and you assume that the battered linebacker corps will be healed up by the time Derby is ready to contribute as a linebacker, why move the guy who two months ago seemed like the future of the quarterback position? For one, because he's no longer the future of the quarterback position.
In the wake of Derby's move, Pat Harty put on his crack investigative journalism hat and concluded that, clearly, this meant that true freshman Jake Rudock is now the heir apparent to James Vandenberg at quarterback. Which is not exactly a hard conclusion to draw when you notice that Rudock is now the only scholarship quarterback on the roster younger than a redshirt junior. Mind you, this is also not exactly a shocking development: anyone who saw videos of both could tell that even though he was a year younger, Rudock was (and is) a far more refined passer than Derby with better passing mechanics. He was also more highly regarded as a quarterback (Derby was higher-rated as a recruit, but as an athlete, not a quarterback) and torched some quality competition at St. Thomas Aquinas in Florida.
From the moment Rudock verbaled to Iowa, the question always seemed to be not if he would surpass Derby, but when. By most accounts (and by the timing of this move), it happened pretty quickly. Rudock wowed observers at the open practice earlier this fall and Ye Olde Interwebs Scuttlebutt has had plenty of good things to say about his performance in practice. Ferentz has tried to downplay it in public ("Aw, he hasn't even played in a game yet"), but don't kid yourself: the coaches like Rudock and they like him a lot. In many ways, he represents a continuation of Vandenberg at the quarterback spot: he's 6'3", 185 (about the same size Vandy was as a freshman; since then JVB has packed on about 30 lbs. of muscle), very comfortable in the pocket (and out of the shotgun), and renowned for his accuracy*. Derby would have been a different breed of quarterback, and while having a more athletic option back there, particularly someone who was a real threat to run with the ball, would have been undeniably exciting and intriguing, it's not hard to see why they wouldn't want to mess with the current approach too much.
* Which, yeah, is not totally reflected by Vandy's completion percentage numbers, but work with me here.
As I noted last week, the overall running game has left something to be desired over the last few years, but the flipside of that is that Iowa has, somewhat quietly, become a pretty damn good passing team. Stanzi threw for 3000 yards and 25 TDs last year, some of the best numbers an Iowa quarterback has had in ages -- and Vandenberg is, amazingly, on pace to equal or surpass those numbers this year. Erik Campbell's presence as wide receivers coach has coincided with a dramatic uptick in wide receiver play at Iowa and while it won't be easy to replace guys like DJK or Marvin McNutt, you wouldn't exactly bet against Campbell developing the new wide receiver prospects into highly productive players in their own right.
So yeah, Rudock as quarterback of the future: full speed ahead. The downside of that is, as noted above, that it leaves Iowa's depth situation a bit precarious once Vandenberg and Wienke graduate. Right now, Rudock would be Iowa's only scholarship quarterback when Fall 2013 rolls around. Now chances are that won't actually be the case: Iowa will almost certainly grab at least one quarterback in this year and next year's recruiting classes, so there will be bodies back there beyond a random walk-on or two. They just (probably) won't be terribly experienced or physically mature, which isn't an ideal situation. It's also not exactly a new situation for Iowa -- in fact, it's somewhat uncommon for Iowa to have an experienced or older back-up hanging around. In 2003, Nathan Chandler's backups were true freshman Drew Tate and redshirt freshman Jason Manson. In 2004, Drew Tate's backups were redshirt sophomore Jason Manson and sophomore Eric McCollom. In 2005, Drew Tate's backups was redshirt junior Jason Manson. In 2006, Tate's backups were redshirt senior Manson and redshirt freshman Jake Christensen. In 2007, Jake Christensen's backups were redshirt freshmen Arvell Nelson and Ricky Stanzi and true freshman Marvin McNutt. In 2008, Ricky Stanzi's backups were redshirt junior Jake Christensen and true freshmen James Vandenberg and John Wienke. In 2009, Stanzi's backups were redshirt freshmen Vandenberg and Wienke. In 2010, Stanzi's backups were redshirt sophomores Vandenberg and Wienke. Unless you have a guy like Manson or Wienke willing to stick it out despite not being the starter, you tend to wind up with younger, inexperienced guys as backup quarterbacks. Having an experienced, mature backup is nice... but it's more of a luxury than a necessity.
This seems especially true when the quarterback in question is Derby; can Iowa really afford to have a player with his potential not on the field, simply to have a more experienced backup at quarterback? Probably not and it's an issue of resource optimization, which is critical at a developmental program like Iowa. The situation at linebacker is interesting too because the problem is not just the recent spate of injuries that has the coaches trying to plug true freshmen and former walk-on strong safeties into the starting lineup. Some of the injuries are long-term in nature -- Shane DiBona tore his Achilles and isn't likely to be 100% for quite some time and Dakota Getz tore an ACL, which is also going to sideline him for a good while. And for all the recruiting Iowa has done at the linebacker position over the last few years, it's unclear what impact those guys will be able to make. For instance, Jim Poggi has had an unbelievable run of misfortune at Iowa (knee injuries, shoulder injuries, the rhabdo) and while the hope is that his story mirrors Angerer's and that after a hard luck start to his Iowa career, he ends it by developing into a star player... that's far from guaranteed.
Likewise, for all the players Iowa has brought in at linebacker over the past few years -- James Morris, Christian Kirksey, Anthony Hitchens, Quinton Alston, Marcus Collins, DiBona, Cole Fisher, Getz, John Lowedermilk, and Poggi -- the best thing we can say about any of them is that they have potential. Morris and Kirksey, in particular, have emerged as solid, promising options (when healthy, at least), but you could hardly say that the future of the position is locked down. Certainly, it's far too soon to call any of them busts, but... there's definitely opportunity to be had at linebacker. If Derby can pick up the position quickly (and/or if AILBHG continues to wreak havoc on players there), there's definitely a path for him to get onto the field and potentially make an impact. And that, as much as anything, is the reason the switch is happening. Now let's hope it works out for both Derby and Iowa as well as the Edds and McNutt switches did.
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When he made the ST tackle against Indiana
I said to my wife, “Backup QB making special teams tackles? Go Iowa Awesome.” To which she replied, “Looked good doing it. He would be a solid backup linebacker.”
GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Illinois
Well, I wasn't done posting...
At 6’3/230 I think he’s going to make a hell of a linebacker after the proper coaching. I just fear for the future/depth of our quarterbacks.
Think he'll still be 230
After Doyle gets him on the linebacker program for a year? That might be a small part of the switch too. His body type seems tailor-made to put on another 15 lbs of muscle and be a scary linebacker.
Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.
I don’t know how much bigger we should expect Derby to get. Granted, the conditioning for LBs is completely different than that for QBs, but Derby has been with the program since spring 2010 – he enrolled early. That means he’s already been through two rounds of Doyle-izing, I’m not sure how much more size we can expect to add. Not that it’s the end of the world, he’s already one of our larger LBs and is probably ideal to replace Nielsen next year; especially since his speed may actually allow him to stick with the WRs in coverage like we ask the LBs to do.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Oct 26, 2011 10:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Fuck that.
If he’s not 6’8"/325 by next fall, Doyle should be fucking fired. Assistant Coach of the Year? Fucking earn it, thumbface.
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by Bucketochicken on Oct 26, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
thumbface is an awesome insult
and lowercase, no less
excellent work
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 26, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
With a sub-4.5 40, too.
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by Bucketochicken on Oct 27, 2011 6:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Does Doyle getting Derby on the program
involve doing 100’s of squats in a limited time span?
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
Bulking up is expected
it’s the use of the rack where Doyle has really revolutionized offseason training
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by chitownhawkeye on Oct 27, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He's also at an age
that is ripe for growth. Generally around anywhere from 19-22, there is sort of a second “growth spurt” that takes place for a lot of people (not nearly to the extent of puberty, but still a good time to put on mass if taken advantage of). Hell, Morris managed to put on ~15 pounds since last year.
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
Eh, everyone is overthinking it
He’s a fantastic athlete. Per the postgame video, he’ll be playing OLB, so it’s not like he’ll be making the defensive calls. He will have to learn some assignments, but Iowa’s defensive schemes are not rocket science. He will be better with experience and conditioning, but it’s not like the lifting routine is that wildly different.
The point is, he’s one of the best athletes on the team. Put him on the field, and he will make plays. He doesn’t need to be coached up or re-conditioned to be one of our best options at OLB, and the sooner he plays the better he’ll get. I think he should be in the rotation against Minnesota and starting by Nebraska.
by Notclevr on Oct 27, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
He's not starting unless Nielsen or Kirksey are hurt
But I agree whole-heartedly with the rest of your post.
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by therealCatnuts on Oct 27, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll second that
I think he’ll be starting next year – in Nielsen’s spot – in order to maximize the flexibility the coaches have with Kirksey/Hitchens and whichever of the walking wounded (DiBona, Poggi, Getz) makes it back to near full-strength
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Nielsen's been hurt half of the year already...
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If anything he needs to slim down and add speed
Unless they’re going to spin him down to the d-line (which is something to consider as desperate as things are there), he’s already got enough size to play OLB. I’m not convinced that he’s there athletically right now though.
For reference:
Urlacher is 6’5" 260, Briggs is 6’1" 240, Lewis is 6’1" 250 and Willis is 6’1" 240. 230 is a little light.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
I should have added:
Greenway is 6’2" 242
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
More hawkeyes
Edds 6’4 244
Humpal 6’3 242
I think it safe to say that Doyle will want Derby between 240 and 245.
I just wanna see Kirk Ferentz cry.
I've met Urlacher, and that man is not 6'5 or 6'4 (whatever they list him as this year)
Still big, and nasty on the field. Just not that tall.
I double checked, he's officially listed at 6'4"
When I saw him, it looked like that was pretty legit, he was taller than I am (6’1")
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Ok
I’m thinking he was around 6’2, being not much taller than me (at 6’1"). Either way, I wouldn’t want to run into him at the line of scrimmage.
Persa
Persa covered kickoffs, when he was a backup. Ferentz mentioned that in the runup to the NW game. Good athletes need to play. I agree that this guy will be at 240 next fall and competing for the Greenway, Edds, Nielsen job.
We play tackle football.
by Bellanca on Oct 26, 2011 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Are you sure you want to accept a comparison to something jNWU did?
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Oct 26, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll accept ANY comparison we can make to Dan Persa.
He’s a prototypical Iowa-type player who somehow ended up on the wrong team. Besides, who can say what position your backup QB will truly be needed at?
All that being said, I can’t stand NW either.
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by The Director on Oct 26, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Greenway was a Will wasn't he?
Edds played Sam (I guess we call it Leo, but that is dumb, Norm Parker), which is generally called on to do more coverage and doesn’t rack up a ton of tackles the Greenway did. Dunno which spot they’re grooming Edds for. It’ll probably depend on how fast he actually is. I know he moves well for a QB, but I’m still a little skeptical about him in coverage. We’ll see. He’ll probably be working on changing his body and increasing his speed all offseason like McNutt had to after switching from QB.
They're grooming Edds for linebacker in the pros.
; )
by HawkeyeRecon on Oct 26, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
That’s as creepy as some of the recruiting prognostications I’ve read.
It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.
by FiveSecondRuleChef on Oct 27, 2011 3:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He is probably a very good quarterback
but he is looking at zero playing time for the rest of this year, all of next year, and by the following year Razor Ruddock might be Chuck Long Redux.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
Obligatory Chuck Long Comparison
Similar to Obligatory Shonn Green reference in that you are guaranteed to be disappointed with every future player.
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 27, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
im not worried about debth
we still have 3 QBs, and if they are taking someone like Derby out, it seems to me that means that Rudock is REALLY good, otherwise why risk taking out a solid #2 in Derby?
besides that, if Derby ends up in the NFL as a linebacker, i doubt that he will complain much, and he has a better shot getting there as a LB than a QB
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 26, 2011 8:11 PM CDT reply actions
As troublesome as LB depth is right now
they at least have bodies at that position for the future. Bruised and battered bodies, but still actual people on campus. The departure of John Raymon is more troublesome for the DL. Who the hell will be left to play next year? Alvis yes. Hopefully Cooper stays with the program and progresses. Carl Davis doesn’t look anywhere close to ready during his limited playing time. I am definitely forgetting some people, but next year could be a repeat of this year’s awful defense if something good doesn’t happen up front.
Damn you super sperm!
Well...Pat Harty is reporting that Iowa is looking at a couple of JUCO DL guys for next year (one is a former Marine)
And whatever Pat Harty says pretty much comes true. So there’s that.
by rupertj on Oct 26, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sam Maresh, at Iowa Western, is all Juco World. (Apropos Juco, not DL, he's the all-world MLB we wanted in 2007.)
The Star Tribune has a good story about the guy. He has two years left. KState and IState want him. Maybe we do too, if he has stopped drinking Hamm’s for breakfast.
We play tackle football.
Iowa Western should be our farm team.
If we want a farm team. Most good programs don’t do the Juco thing.
We play tackle football.
I remember when Clinton Solomon went there.
Or was it Dominique Douglas? Or both?
by One Night Stanzi on Oct 26, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Solomon
Although it wasn’t at Central, not western. Same place Spievey went for his one year. Douglas never had to go Juco, and even if he had, he got thrown out after his first year.
Er, WAS at Central, rather
As in Iowa Central, not that dump in Pella (IIAC hate runs deep, y’all)
Yeah, Central does suck
But no where near as bad as Wartburg. Fuck Wartburg! Go Norse! (former Luther XC and track runner)
by StewMonkey13 on Oct 27, 2011 10:38 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Do you have remaining eligibility? Want to play LB?
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 27, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Not Iowa Western. Tom Osborne started the program like 3 or 4 years ago.
Heier was the first from Iowa Western. But I agree, I bet they can get one good one out of there everywhere.
meh
Marshall Yanda
NIACC ftw
He sired a baseball team... An orchestra, if you count the bastards!
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Oct 27, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Iowa Western program is in it's 3rd year
so Iowa has only recruited Heier out of there. By the way, I haven’t heard much about him? Will he play football again? At Iowa, anywhere?
Sounds like he's doing some light practice.
But I might be reapeating some bullshit, so don’t take this as gospel (though I thought I read it on a newspaper site, for what that’s worth these days).
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 27, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
He'll probably play next year.
I think this year was spent getting back in shape after the car accident.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Also, Rodney Coe is there
He was a signed recruit in this year’s class (big RB recruit) but was not accepted (grades and/or test scores). I think he’s playing RB and LB for them (and the word is he’s pretty huge so could even play DL).
by Captain n Diet Coker on Oct 27, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I just checked out the Iowa Western stats on the NJCAA site
Looks like Coe is playing exclusively at RB, he’s listed as having 348 yards on 55 carries (~6.4ypc, not bad), but no tackles.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 27, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you heard of a guy named Cam Newton?
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 28, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Doesnt Count
He was at Florida and got introuble so in order to play had to drop down a division atleast in order to play the same year. Then just transfered back up to D1 after was done.
Have you heard of a guy named Brad Banks?
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 29, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Sam Maresh is at Iowa Western?
That kid has been through the ringer, but he LOVED Minnesota. Maybe he’s burnt all of his bridges there, but I’d accept him getting a second chance at Iowa.
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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Oct 27, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
If we could pick up this kid
I’d be very stoked about the next couple of years for the LB crew. Kid is very good although his health and personal decisions aren’t the best as you mentioned.
pretty impressive film even though its against juco competition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_BmkFYvviY
Almost certain that Melvin Spears immediately moved to DE after arriving in Iowa City
With Doyle helping him add even more weight, he’s likely to be a contender next year. LTP, Gaglione, Forgy, and Bigach are available as well as the players you mentioned It won’t be anywhere near as good as the DL in ‘09 or ’10, but it’s not a bunch of true frosh running around out there either.
by The Mexican't on Oct 26, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah Spears is at DE now
Dunno if it happened immediately, but it was before the start of the season, once they realized that they had absolutely no young d-line depth
I have a sneaking suspicion that was the plan for Spears all along
Much like Reiff came to Iowa ostensibly as a DE but was switched over, and redshirted, to tackle from Day 1. With all the attrition in the LBing corps Iowa’s suffered, one would think that Spears might have been thrown in to the mix. The fact that he hasn’t indicates to me that coaches had this planned all along for him.
The D-line situation will be dicey next year to be sure, but I don’t think it will be as dire as some are thinking. It will be young, and probably a bit mistake prone, but there is some talent there (and coming in with the true freshmen for next year’s class). I’m kind of surprised Cooper hasn’t played at all this year, but I chalk that up to his maybe not being quite as “game ready” as some were projecting. Would like to see more out of Carl Davis, to be sure, because if he can really come on, we could have a better line than expected. Really, all we need is someone to have a Karl Klug-like surge and we’ll be in much better shape. It’s not something you can, or should, count on, but just one positive surprise may be all it takes to really gel the line.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
How is it not dicey next year?
The two best players on the line this year are graduating, and even with them it’s a terrible line. The only other guy who has even occasionally shown something is Alvis, and he makes up for it by blowing contain like 12 times a game. It’s gonna be real bad.
I said its going to be dicey
I just don’t think it will be end-of-the-world bad like some are projecting. Next year will really test Iowa’s ability as a “developmental” program on the D-line. A number of young players will have had 2+ seasons in the program and it will be a test to see if they’re ready to come “online”; players like LTP, Hardy and Carl Davis. And until I see something to tell me otherwise (official, not message board chatter), I still think Cooper is going to be a big contributor.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I'm thinking Trinca-Pasat and Davis have bust out years, and I'm guessing Super Cooper is getting RSed to space things out.
We already have had like 8 or 9 (maybe more) in the DL rotation. Why blow a year of free training for 3 or 4 plays?
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 27, 2011 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Cooper missed a lot of camp time with a transcript issue
His high school screwed up his transcript, and by the time it was sorted out, he’d missed a good chunk of camp. It will be dicey next year, no doubt, but I think (hope) with Bigach, Gaglione, Davis, Hardy, LTP, Cooper, Alvis, Spears, and perhaps a true freshamn (Jaleel Johnson, specifically) or a JUCO should they go that route would at least give us some options there. Lots of youth, lots of guys going into their third year of school by then (Davis, Hardy, LTP).
I’m also interested in seeing if McMinn can step in there somewhere. I know he needed to put on quite a bit of weight, but with a good off-season he could help plug in somewhere.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
DT, second only to maybe RB, is instinct and raw ability
I don’t think missing part of camp hurt his “coaching up” much, I think he’s just young. Competing against huge, grown men on the interior of the line is very difficult for any 18-year-old, I think that’s the primary issue. OL and DT require size and strength that usually just aren’t there at 18 or 19. He’s not one of the rare freaks, so be it. I think he’ll be fine later.
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by therealCatnuts on Oct 27, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Carl Davis looks really bad every time he plays
He’s big but he gets blown off the ball because he can’t stay low and doesn’t get off the snap well.
I haven't been able to watch more than a half here and a quarter there...
But that kid had a ton of hype coming in. I’m concerned he may totally not fit in with the 4-3. If he can Doyle-ize before next year, and combined with some of the guys mentioned (LTP, Cooper, etc.), the line may perform better than we all expect. Until that happens, though…I’m not holding my breath.
by One Night Stanzi on Oct 27, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Davis doesn't need to get bigger.
He needs to play smarter.
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I’m concerned he may totally not fit in with the 4-3
I really don’t think his problems would be remedied by playing in the 3-4, in which he would ostensibly have more responsibilities. He just needs to get a year older/stronger/lower/better.
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by SomeJerkPoster on Oct 27, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
He is, after all, only a redshirt freshmen. Sometimes we’re a little to quick to label someone a failure. Granted, the reasons are different, but Klug didn’t start playing until his redshirt sophomore year – and then only in spot duty. If this time next year Davis is still being blown off the ball every other play, then we might have reason to be really concerned. As of now, however, it is frustrating/aggravating but not a reason to write him off just yet.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Oct 27, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
He’s probably never played against kids his own size & strength before this year, really.
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by Bucketochicken on Oct 27, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Eh, I'm kinda with Hoya here.
Yeah, right now it looks like it has serious disaster potential, but aside from last year when the starters were well-established already, didn’t we to some extent say the same “the d-line is gonna be awful, we’re screwed” type of thing for the past few seasons?
We’ll never be able to replace Roth & Babs! That King kid weighs 165 pounds, and who the fuck it Matt… Krowell?
We’ll never be able to replace King & Kroul! Wasn’t Karl Klug (pronounced to rhyme with “mug”) a tight end? Jesus..
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by Bucketochicken on Oct 27, 2011 6:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Rodney Coe supposedly came to Iowa because...
We said he’d be an offensive player. Auburn & co were adamant that he’d play LB.
I wonder if he’d kindly reconsider…
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 27, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Like Derby
we recruited him with the understanding that he would get a chance to play where his heart is, in this case RB. If he had made it here, however, there’s not telling what would have happened; maybe he would have realized the defense was his future. I’m pretty certain, when all is said and done, that this is a kid who will end up on the D-line wherever he goes after Western (PLEASE LET IT BE US!!!!!!!!!)
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
But maybe a 270# RB is exactly what O'Keefe dreams about.
I mean, what else would he dream about?
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 27, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Loosened reins.
"Let me finish or I will hammerpunch your clavicle." -Steve Youngblood
by SomeJerkPoster on Oct 27, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
END AROUNDS FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!!
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by 6 seconds of hell on Oct 27, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm good, thanks.
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 27, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
More story related
I think Derby has an opportunity to be a great LB. He fits the mold of the traditional Hawkeye backer. He has his work cut out for him if he wants to crack the depth chart next year, with quite a few current sophomores already having significant experience.
Damn you super sperm!
So there's no Hamsterdam tonight but,
I have to gloat. I scored a bottle of Templeton at the Coralville Walmart of all places. Only bottle on the shelf so, yeah, right place right time. I’m sure that’s the first and last time I’ll ever say that about Walmart.
I found one at the Coralville Target last week.
I couldn’t believe it. Had to buy it, of course. although when you come across Templeton at a big box store, did you find it or did it find you?
by The KF Karate Chop on Oct 26, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
The batches the big box stores get
come from a village called Iowa in the middle of Malaysia (look on the bottom of the bottle)
and distilled by blind 8 year olds
Drink Inconspicuously.
"TAYLOR MARTINEZ IS AIDS ON TWO FEET"
-@DanBeebe
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 26, 2011 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes. A million times yes.
I’ve always thought this. I once put a window sticker on the wrong side of my car window. I couldn’t stand it, ripped it off and got a new one.
by Kinnick Stadium is my Graceland on Oct 26, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
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-@DanBeebe
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 26, 2011 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
haha yeah it is
How does that even happen? You can’t go more than like three seconds in this town without seeing a Tigerhawk.
The one in my rear window faces left & yes, it bothers me.
It’s a window cling & to face it the right way it’d be clinging to the outside of the window which doesn’t make sense to me, either. Wouldn’t it come off?
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by HawkeyeGirleye on Oct 26, 2011 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I have one of these
And it is meant to be stuck on the outside window. It does not come off (I thought it would too, especially in the rain).
by Captain n Diet Coker on Oct 27, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Who knew?
Thanks for the heads up- I’ll switch it tomm. I’m still gonna keep my eye on it- Chicago weather is ‘special’.
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by HawkeyeGirleye on Oct 27, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
They'll both be overshadowed by my guy Mel Spears
when he wins the Heisman for his defense in 2013 AND 2014.
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 26, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, smashing out bus windows is a linebacker quality. Not so much a quarterback thing. That whole episode was derby’s inner LB screaming “let me out!”
by rosko on Oct 26, 2011 11:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Too bad LOD had the football pads and guy named Hawk.
Oh well. For your consideration…
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-@DanBeebe
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 27, 2011 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think this is a good move
because it really gives us some flexibility next year. The big problem we were going to face was the departure of Nielsen and having NO ONE on the team really able to replace him. I think Derby solves this problem, he’s big enough to play LB but also has the speed to be effective covering the slot. Iowa may be transitioning to smaller, faster LBs in the Kirksey/Hitchens mold – hell, even Morris is undersized – but it’s nice if you can get all the upside of the smaller LBs (speed, agility) without sacrificing so much of the size which is what I think Derby gets them.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Why now?
I feel like he (and maybe his father) have been begging to stay at QB. Once he punched out that window, that didn’t help his case. Your QB, your leader, can NOT be getting in trouble like that.
Chain of causality?
Derby punches the bus (an euphemism for masturbation if there ever was one) which leads to his suspension. Up to this point, Derby was getting all the 2nd team reps (or at least most of them). Now, Wienke gets more reps in practice as does Rudock, who the coaches are really seeing for the first time since fall camp in August. For two weeks, Rudock really impresses and Derby takes note of this fact. Ferentz and others, who were already eager to find ways to get Derby on the field more, make suggestions to Derby about the switch; Derby is now more receptive to the idea because he wants to play too. Finally, Ferentz comes to Derby with the question, he thinks it over and decides it is in his best interest to get on the field NOW with significant playing time next season, rather than waiting at least another year before he plays in anything other than garbage time.
Or maybe Derby just likes truckin’ fools.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Gonna guess that the 6000 LB injuries we've had lately had something to do with it
Along with Ruddock emerging. Even then, Ferentz said that they would have let him stay at QB if he really wanted to, they just made the suggestion and Derby decided to go along with it. It’ll probably give him a better chance of seeing the field relatively soon.
Your QB, your leader, can NOT be getting in trouble like that.
I don’t exactly think Derby had turned into Stephen Garcia all of the sudden. We can’t really afford him doing that on defense either.
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by SomeJerkPoster on Oct 27, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Derby SMASH!
I like! Too bad I have no ’shopping skills, else there would be a green Derby here!
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
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by IPeeBlackAndGold on Oct 27, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Right idea, wrong 'derby'
I was thinking something that looked more akin to Lou Ferrigno
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Ha, just joking. Challenge accepted!

"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Oct 27, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
There ya go!
/knew you were joking, well done!
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Ha! I love that's it mugshot Derby
with a scraped up face.
by Captain n Diet Coker on Oct 27, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
You know that's the only Derby face we'll be seeing for quite some time
It’s way too good to leave on the shelf.
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by HawkeyeGirleye on Oct 27, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I have a version of the "Demolition Derbys" pic up above that uses both AJ and Zach's mugshots.
Made it first and didn’t want to mess up the funny so I remade it.
Also, I believe the green hat up above is a “bowler,” but what do I know.
(Looked it up and it’s neither a bowler or a derby. I don’t know WHAT that is.)
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-@DanBeebe
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 27, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh, it's just a cheap St. Patrick's day novelty hat
and one of the first GIS results for “Green Derby.” There was a picture of a bar called the Green Derby I wanted to use but it was too large, and resizing/rehosting it would’ve been too much effort for a cheap joke.
"Hi, I'm Bob Executive. Which way to business?"
by IPeeBlackAndGold on Oct 27, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh. I wasn't calling you out or anything. I just like hats (but the brim was messing with me, so I actually checked, and was just pointing it out if anyone cared). Sorry.
And I don’t know why that other comment double posted, but I was trying to say I made one with the mugshots, then thought better and changed it, but still have the OG shop.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 28, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I really wanted to see what a dual threat QB
would look like in O’Keefers system…oh well
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
He was a Heisman runner up if I remember correctly.
by coltranemonk on Oct 27, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not going to downplay Brad Banks - he was teh awesomez
But to say he had a rather sizable amount of O-line talent helping get him to Heisman runner-up status that year would be putting it mildly.
Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.
You're downplaying Banks.
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by therealCatnuts on Oct 27, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That's traditional.
The best QBs have a ton of time to throw the ball, and a highly effective RB to hand it to.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Oct 27, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd also really like to see what would happen
if we got a true speed back. like elite speed
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Oct 27, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Jermelle Lewis
He had elite speed before he tore his knee up in early 2003.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
Poor Canzeri
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by therealCatnuts on Oct 28, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a feeling WB31321 doesn't consider Canzeri a true speed back
Since they’re still waiting to see what would happen if we got one. I’m with you though, he seems to have very very good speed.
Canzeri has more of a "quickness" to him than flat-out speed.
Though he’s fast, I doubt he runs a sub 4.5 in the 40.
I think Waterboy was thinking along the lines of what if Iowa had a Reggie Bush?
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 28, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Not that Canzeri couldn't get to a ~4.35 in a couple years
But Ferentz is probably going to have him add 20lbs instead.
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 28, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
4.35 at 180lbs is impressive, until you get hurt (ask Denard)
4.5 at 200 increases your chances of surviving a full season of the Big10.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Oct 28, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
But when you're going to be a change of pace back
I think being 180 with a 4.35 would be much better, injuries wouldn’t be a major concern because I doubt he’d ever get more than 15 carries per game and probably closer to half that on average, though heavier is better for blocking (which is why I think he’ll bulk up).
by 99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne on Oct 28, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
He plays faster than than he may be timed
Sort of the opposite of Charles Godfrey, who always wow’ed people with this metrics but looked a little slower on the field than he should.
Better to play fast than test fast. Canzeri plays fast. It’s a good start for the freshman.
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 29, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't write off Rudock.
He came to Iowa to play a pro-style, but if I’m remembering correctly he also had some moves and speed in the open field on his highlight video.
Everyone else wanted him to be a scrambler (IIRC), but he chose Iowa because the pro-style is more likely to get him to the NFL.
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 27, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Rudock is not a dual threat QB.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Okay. I don't know that much about him
but I could swear I remember some comments about nice runs (when he had to) in his highlights. Am I on more crazy pills than usual?
(Serious question. My brain is mis-firing.)
"TAYLOR MARTINEZ IS AIDS ON TWO FEET"
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 27, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
U CRAZY!
No, what I think throws it off is that he played in a shotgun-spread offense in high school. So he may have had a few runs, but not anything that makes him a “dual threat” style QB. The big transition for Rudock will be learning to play a majority of the game under center.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I think he had nice runs in the same way that Stanzi and Vandenberg have had nice runs.
They’re not Marino-esque statues back there, but you’re not going to be calling many running plays beyond the old QB sneak for them (although that one zone read we ran with Stanzi was AWESOME).
Maybe in HS he ran the ball a few times on designed runs, but I’m very sure that was not a big part of their offense, nor a big part of his skill set. He looks to me, in almost every way, to be Vandenberg 2.0. Which is fine.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
DON'T YOU KNOCK MARINO!
Fun stat, I think he ended his career with a total of 1 yard rushing.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
how the hell did he get that much?
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Oct 27, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Sack yards don't count as rushing yards in the pros.
So that probably helped.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
How dare you besmirch the name of Dan Marino!
And that wasn’t a zone read, Stanzi saw that the play was going to get stuffed, so he kept it himself (probably cooler than a zone read, really).
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
I looked around and figured out, you're right, but here's what I was thinking of.
JAKE RUDOCK: VISUAL-REACTIVE LINEAR SPRINT DRILLS FOR QUARTERBACKS
and
His Senior Highlight Vid starts off with almost the entire first half (about a minute and a half) being runs by Rudock, but they almost all seem to be off of rollouts and the such. He’s not a burner, but he looks like he has good wheels. That’s cool, cause it won’t require a retool of the playbook, but the kid looks pretty natural in space.
Thanks for setting me straight, but I’m still excited. #FREE FLOYD
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 28, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
That 10/1 Window Incident Makes SENSE!
That night, Florida played Alabama and was down to their 11th string QB. Chances are he saw that game and though “Well dammit. I chose wrong.” Pour some alcohol and teenage angst on that wound, and you’ve got yourself a problem.
I feel bad for him. There’s a much better chance he’d be playing QB at several other schools (with better exposure and programs than Iowa). Why did he come here? Father knows best?
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 27, 2011 10:17 AM CDT reply actions
Yes, but the problem is
none of those other schools (e.g. Florida) were going to give him the chance to play QB. That is why, ultimately, he chose Iowa – well, that and the family pressure.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Maybe he didn't have a chance...
But when you’re playing a converted QB to TE against the #2 team in the country, maybe Derby gets a shot? If I were him, it would piss me off.
Just beat jNW.
by One_ill_KevinJ on Oct 27, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Water. Bridge. Travelling. Under.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Oct 27, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was on a bus full of drunken sorority girls.
I’m pretty sure he’s okay with his decision.
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 27, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If he'd gone to Florida, he probably would have been playing LB for the last 18 months anyway.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yes.
He even got a snap or two last weekend. Hell, I think he threw a pass too.
by The Mexican't on Oct 27, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he maybe only got one snap before the clock could run out
And it was a handoff. This leaves his career numbers at 0-1 passing.
by Luke Recker No-Look Pass on Oct 27, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
One would assume so. Don't want to be burning Rudock's RS
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by therealCatnuts on Oct 27, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Useless conjecture question here
if both Vandy and Weinke get hurt, Derby goes in at QB to save Rudock’s RS, right? Or do they just burn that thing and get Rudock out there anyway?
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by therealCatnuts on Oct 27, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably depends how badly they're hurt.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
You're doing 'useless conjecture' wrong
I need definitive statements and wild accusations, not ‘probably’ and ‘depends’.
Clearly it’s Derby going in, you dolt!
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by therealCatnuts on Oct 27, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
McNutt
With Andrew Donnal taking his place at WR
"There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you're a pussy." -Mark Rippetoe
How's his vertical?
I’m thinking deep fade to Donnal early and often
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
McNutt would move back to QB and throw passes to himself.
He’s getting that record, dammit.
by The Mexican't on Oct 27, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
He's clearly the most experienced QB on the roster at that point.
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by SomeJerkPoster on Oct 27, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Derby's dad was an all-Big 10 LB and captain for the '91 Rose Bowl team
So maybe its in his genes. Or at the very least the old man can give him a few tips on the position.
by DJK's bongwater on Oct 27, 2011 12:54 PM CDT reply actions
That's when I was in school &
1). It bothers me to no end that I’m old enough to reasonably have kids in college.
2). I’m still getting over the fact that UNTIL MAYBE 3 days ago it hadn’t occurred to me that the Derby boys were HIS Derby boys. How did I miss that?!
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by HawkeyeGirleye on Oct 27, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
since it’s been mentioned fairly regularly since they were in Caring is Creepy.
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