A Winner Is You! 2011 Iowa Wrestling Preview: 133 lbs.
Come January, when the Iowa football team again goes into hibernation for another nine months, what's a Hawkeye fan to do? Well, pay attention to our preseason consensus cellar dweller up and coming basketball team... but you could also give a little time to the wrestling team and their quest for a fourth national championship in the last five years. It is the one sport we're really, really good at, after all. In the spirit of our Assume the Position series for football, we bring you A Winner is You!, a weight class-by-weight class breakdown of the Iowa wrestling team, counting down each Thursday (ish) from the weight class we have the most confidence in to the weight class we have absolutely no clue about.
(ORIGINAL PHOTO CREDIT: Hawk Central)
PREVIOUS ENTRIES: 125 | 141 | 157 | 184
THE KNOWN QUANTITY
The first four weights I profiled featured returning All-Americans and while there's room for improvement on their 2011 finishes, if they simply maintain those 2011 finishes, we'll be in pretty good shape -- now we reach the point of our previews where we have fairly known quantities who we're hoping will be able to improve upon their 2011 performance in 2012. First up is Tony Ramos at 133, who came to Iowa heralded as the future of our 125 lb. slot, only to find himself blocked there by some guy named McDonough. So he moved up to 133 lbs. and competed there last year as an undersized guy, beating out Tyler Clark and Nate Moore to win the spot. Well, he didn't so much beat out Clark as he did wrestle a more Iowa-friendly style; Clark beat him at Midlands in a tight match (and did the same at the pre-season wrestle-offs, as I recall), but the coaches ended up opting for Ramos anyway since he had a much aggressive, attack-happy style. He repaid their faith by going 25-6, including 8-0 in Big Ten duals. He struggled in tournaments, though, with his best finish being third place at the Big Ten Tournament. He finished sixth at Midlands and went 4-2 at the NCAA Tournament, crashing out in the Round of 12.
Ramos won the trust of the coaches (and admiration from the fans) by being utterly tenacious on his feet and relentlessly looking for angles to shoot for takedowns. Like many Iowa wrestlers, Ramos also possesess an excellent motor; when his opponents were gasping for air, Ramos could usually be found stalking them, in search of another takedown. Unfortunately, it wasn't all sunshine and lollipops for Tony: his size was also a problem at times, especially on the mat. He had difficulty riding some guys and even greater difficulty escaping from bottom (especially against some of the bigger guys at 133 lbs.). Hopefully an off-season spent bulking up a bit and working on technique will enable to him to smooth over those rough edges. As good as Ramos was last year (and 3rd in the Big Ten, and R12 at NCAAs is not too shabby for a redshirt freshman), there's considerable room for him to improve. He might still be best-suited for 125 lbs, but there's every reason to think that Ramos can develop into a very good 133'er, too.
THE POSSIBLE OPTIONS
As I noted when we talked about 125 a few weeks ago, there's still the occasional rumor of McDonough moving up to 133 lbs., which would almost certainly displace Ramos (and send him down to 125). Those rumors don't appear to be particularly credible, so I'm going to go right on assuming that McD will be the man at 125 and Ramos will be the guy at 133. Mind you, that doesn't mean there aren't any options other than Tony at 133; far from it, in fact. Clark was Ramos' main threat here last year and may be again, although there's been considerable talk that he's focusing on 125 this year.
If that's the case, Nate Moore would probably emerge as his most significant competition for the spot. Moore arrived at Iowa with sparkling credentials (99-0 as a HS junior a senior, two-time state champion, four-time state finalist, two-time Fargo Junior National Champion), and saw time as a RS freshman, filling in for an injured Dan Dennis and going 3-2. He then missed considerable time while dealing with a nasty staph infection and his career has, frankly, never been the same; he wrestled only eight times last season (7-1), almost all at the Kaufman-Brand Open. Since then, he's kind of fallen off the radar amid rumors of problems cutting weight and time spent in Brands' doghouse. If he can ever get things together, he could be another high-quality option at 133. The remaining options -- Joe Moore (no relation), Nick Trizzino, Charlie Joseph, Jake Kadel, and J.J. Krutsinger -- are more practice room depth guys than legitimate starting options, with the possible exception of Krutsinger. He went 14-1 at 133 last year, albeit against lesser competition in most cases. (Then again, that lone loss was a major decision defeat to Ramos, so the odds of him beating out Ramos are pretty slim.)
THE POTHOLES IN THE ROAD
This is one weight that's seen a lot of volatility since we looked at it in spring. At that time, five of eight All-Americans were returning, including four of the top five. Then Andrew Long ran into some legal trouble that ended his career at Penn State and Tyler Graff opted to take a redshirt this year and sit out for Wisconsin. But it wasn't all departures here -- Stanford's Ryan Mango decided to move up from 125 to 133, while Purdue's Cashe Quiroga also opted to move up from 125 to 133 after coming off a redshirt year. Throw in stud freshman Logan Stieber of Ohio State and you again have the makings of a pretty solid weight class. Of course, the unfortunate thing for Ramos is that all that transition didn't do much to impact the very top of the division: returning champ (and two-time All-American) Oklahoma State's Jordan Oliver is back again, as is 4th place finisher Scotti Sentes (Central Michigan), whose freakish length confounded Ramos when they met in the NCAA Tournament last spring. Oliver is, like McDonough at 125, a heavy favorite to win his weight class and a preseason favorite for the Hodge Trophy; needless to say, Ramos has his work cut out for him to get on that level.
THE REASONABLE EXPECTATION
This is a weight class where it should be far easier for Iowa to make hay in the Big Ten ranks than in the national scene. Oliver is a devilish match-up for almost anyone, but even moreso for an undersized guy like Ramos, considering that Oliver has been dogged by talk that he could easily move up to 141 and, as we saw at the NCAA Tournament, Sentes is a pretty rotten match-up for Tony as well. On the other hand, with Long and Graff gone, the Big Ten looks considerably more wide open, which should benefit Tony. On the other hand, there's also no shortage of potential threats in the Big Ten at 133: not including Ramos, four of InterMat's preseason top ten hail from the Big Ten (Quiroga, Stieber, Minnesota's David Thorn, and Illinois' B.J. Futrell. Ramos split a pair of matches with Futrell last year, losing to him at Midlands but beating him in the third-place match at the Big Ten Tournament. He swept Thorn last year, although all of the matches were close (7-3, 4-3, 7-5 OT). So what's the expectation? All-American seems reasonable, since Ramos was very close last year and should be better this year. It's tough to see him getting past either Oliver or Sentes at this point, but any finish between 3rd and 8th seems plausible. In terms of the Big Ten, becoming a Big Ten finalist seems eminently possible this year -- and winning it all certainly doesn't seem beyond him at all, either.
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BONUS!
Caring is creepy is boomin'. Hot on the heels of last week's trio of verbal commitments, Tom Brands landed another big-time verbal commitment this weekend when Ohio's Nate Skonieczny decided to join the fold.
Like Thomas Gilman and Sam Brooks last week Skonieczny is an elite recruit. He's the #8 overall prospect in both InterMat and d1collegewrestling's rankings and one of the top two options at 141 or 149 (his projected weights in college). He has a 136-9 career record as a prep, including a state title as a junior last year and a runner-up finish as a freshman. Needless to say, he's a big-time recruit -- and yet another kid who dreamed of being a Hawkeye:
"I’ve been the biggest Iowa Hawkeye fan since I was about 10 years old. I love watching YouTube (videos of) Mark Ironside, Lincoln McIlravy and Brent Metcalf. I love watching those guys wrestle."
Skonieczny’s dream of wrestling for the Hawkeyes became one step closer to reality Sunday night when the blue-chip recruit verbally committed to Iowa. The Walsh Jesuit senior selected the Hawkeyes over Ohio State, Michigan and West Virginia.
"The campuses are the same somewhat, but (Iowa’s) wrestling, their intensity level is way above everyone else’s," he said. "That’s where champions are made."
From watching the match above, you can definitely see more than a little Ironside or Metcalf in him: he's tenacious on his feet and always on the attack, always looking for the takedown. He's also not content to get one or two takedowns and try to cruise from there -- he wants to keep getting takedown after takedown after takedown... until this opponent is broken on the mat. We saw Metcalf do that to plenty of guys during his tenure and McDonough has taken up that mantle quite nicely; if Skonieczny is next in line in that proud tradition, bring it on.
Skonieczny adds to the already-impressive depth Iowa has in the lower weights. At his projected weights (141 and 149), Iowa already has a host of well-regarded freshmen and sophomore options, including Josh Dziewa (141), Jake Ballweg (141/149), Mark Ballweg (141/149), Mike Kelly (149), and Dylan Carew (149), but you can never have enough quality options. In fact, Skonieczny could be well-suited to replace Carew at 149 (assuming Carew wins the job there, at least); by the time Skonieczy is a redshirt freshman, Carew will be a senior.
Of course, the flipside to Iowa's impressive depth at the lower weights is its scary lack of depth at the upper weights. Thus far, only one of the recruits that Tom Brands has landed are projected to one of those weights (Brooks, at 184/197); more help is needed at 184/197 and Heavyweight, so hopefully the remainder of this recruiting class addresses those gaping holes in the line-up.
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Skonieczny
made that look really really really easy.
He sired a baseball team... An orchestra, if you count the bastards!
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Oct 26, 2011 10:39 AM CDT reply actions
The neon green Kryptonite singlet has to go.
that said it is good to see him working for the turn all the time. The NY kid was totally beaten worn out by the end of the second.
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
I was wondering if this was a case of midwest wrestling just being on another level
the kid from NY he beat is a two time state champ but he looked absolutely terrible.
He sired a baseball team... An orchestra, if you count the bastards!
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Oct 26, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Man, Rambler is gonna bristle up when he hears you knocking East Coast wrestling...
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
New York may not be Pennsylvania or Ohio
but there are a lot of very good wrestlers out of the Empire State matches Iowa in the number of Division 1 NCAA qualifiers that come from the state. The Murphy kid is a three time state champ and 4X finalist and is a very good wrestler and student. We will be seeing more of him as he committed to Northwestern.
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
Yeah, I agree.
I think this kid IS a good wrestler… he just got straight up dominated by Skonieczny.
jNW… boo. He chose poorly.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
looks like he just got a little
Shock and Awe’d. I would guess if these guys got on the mat again it would be much closer.
Unless Nate is in his head that much – which would be great for the next 5 years in the Big10.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Oct 26, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah.. that was major rambler bait
I am also just starting to pay more attention to the sport though so It was a legitimate question with an added touch of unicorn wrestling insult.
He sired a baseball team... An orchestra, if you count the bastards!
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Oct 26, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
If you're gonna mock me, at least get your facts straight.
I don’t care about East Coast wrestling as Central and Western Pennsylvania aren’t technically East Coast.
H8R
Oh, the sun shines bright on my Pennsyltucky home.
by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I always thought Alabama was on the east coast
Central and Western Pennsylvania aren’t technically East Coast.
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
Alabama is on the treason coast.
Oh, the sun shines bright on my Pennsyltucky home.
by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why does Herbie
Keep pointing at something and looking at me? WTF DO YOU WANT HERBIE? JUST LET ME READ THE ARTICLE.
That was almost hard to watch.
Murphy was completely broken in the middle of the second.
Can we find out if this new recruit has a nickname yet? There’s no way in hell I’ll be able to say Skonieczny for 5 years.
You can probably just call him Skon or Skonnie (although that makes him sound like a Badger...)
Maybe Nate the Destroyer.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Now that I think about it, I can't remember any wrestlers with nicknames.
I guess I’m just so used to athletes being called other things that I assumed he had one already.
by The Mexican't on Oct 26, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
You're slipping, man.
St. John got the DJK treatment with DSJ. McDonough’s had McDominator and Steel (and also McBono in some corners, which is kinda obscure) attached to him. And, hell, Luke Lofthouse had a handful all by himself: The Leg, Uncle Luke, the Albino Rhino, the Stormin’ Mormon…
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
After watching the video
You would be smart to call him MR. Skonieczny
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
by Kluginator on Oct 26, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well done.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
Of course.
I sat here for 5 full minutes attempting to find one and I went blank. Something will have to happen for this kid because that name is going to be impossible to pronounce consistently (as the commentating made abundantly clear in the video).
by The Mexican't on Oct 26, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
This just in
Alex Meyer is also going to be a Hawkeye. Info comes via Andy Hamilton’s Twitter.
Iowa Wrestling is killing it recruiting wise this year. Especially at the lower weights, but weve also now grabbed two guys at 174 and above that are highly regarded.
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 26, 2011 1:31 PM CDT reply actions
I was just going to chime in with this but you beat me to it.
Sounds like Meyer is a “late bloomer” who has excelled on the national scene this summer, though his highest finish at the state tourney was 5th last year.
Interesting. I have another preview coming up later this week, so I'll try to cover him in more depth there.
He’s 52nd on d1collegewrestling’s list of prospects, though, which is pretty salty.
I believe he’s also a very smart guy; I think he was strongly considering going to Princeton.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah, i was suprised too
The amazing thing is Iowa is getting almost all of the Internet hawkeye wrestling fan’s wants. Gillman, Skon, and Meyer were all considered outside chances but werent thought to be favorites for various reasons.
If Iowa got Burak it would practically be the perfect off season for Iowa wrestling. This must be what it feels like to be a Alabama fan watching recruiting.
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 26, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
At which weight does Burak project?
I couldn’t find a recruit, and the name appears to be tied to a pretty strong Colorado based wrestling family making things even more difficult.
by The Mexican't on Oct 26, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
184/197
Same as Brooks. i think he may be bigger though.
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 26, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Nathan Burak is the name, which should help with the searching.
Those Penn Buraks kind of monopolize the results otherwise.
He projects at 184/197; if Iowa got both Burak and Brooks, I’m not sure which guy would go at which weight.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Thanks.
Getting a kid who spent time working out at the Olympic Training Center couldn’t possibly be a bad thing.
by The Mexican't on Oct 26, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
damn, there was a point when Skon looked like he was practicing
with a nationally ranked wrestler.
you have to love getting the type of guys who break wills, and he broke that kids will.
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 26, 2011 1:44 PM CDT reply actions
Wow, you can see why he's projected at 141 or 149 even while being at 130 right now.
Broad shoulders and long arms, and he’s already got muscle, but he is in no way ripped. If his body puts muscle on even like normal, I could easily see him at 149 by the time his RS sophomore year happens.
meh
133 is gonna be fun in the B1G this year
I can’t wait to see a couple cats I’ve never watched before. Quiroga had an interesting true frosh year at 125 before his RS last year. In the B1G, as a 5th seed, he started out with a loss to #4 Pataky (7-4), then won two consis, before losing to Sanders & Triggas to finish in 6th. Then at Nationals, he won 3 championship bracket matches, before getting majored by McD in the semis, decked by Nickerson & decisioned again by Sanders to finish 6th in the country.
And Logan Stieber won a freakin silver at the Junior Worlds this past summer. He also lost to OU’s Patterson & OSU’s Lara before getting injured against Cornell’s Perelli & ending his season. Here’s a funny video of the Ironman 103 pound final in 2006, of him & DT lookin like little kids.
Throw in Futrell & Thorn trying to challenge Ramos, and it’s gonna be a good weight.
I have no idea what to expect outta PSU at this weight. I was hoping for Frank Martellotti, who filled in nicely for Pataky early last year, before succumbing to academic eligibility issues. But he’s likely got another semester of passing required credits yet, so we won’t see him til January probably. So to start it looks like it’s gonna be Bucknell transfer, Derek Reber. He wrestled as a true frosh in 2009 (including a couple losses to Iowa’s Charlie Falck) and qualified for nationals but went 0-2. In 2010 he got injured and redshirted, and I’ve read comments by some who watched him come back in 2011 that he didn’t look as sharp. I guess we’ll see what we’ve got in him soon enough.
Doesn't really matter if Reber sucks if Martellotti is back for Big Tens and NCAAs, right?
What happened to Sam Sherlock?
And, yeah, this should be a pretty unpredictable weight in the Big Ten. I think Ramos might be a slight favorite since he’s beaten a lot of guys here already and doesn’t have to deal with the guys who’ve beaten him (Long, Graff), but Quiroga and Stieber are unknown quantities and Futrell and Thorn will be tough.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Yeah true I guess
As long as he comes in then and still gets qualified. But that Minnesota dual is gonna be a tight one, and it’s November 20. The Southern Scuffle is on New Year’s Day this year, so I guess he’ll compete in that, where he might see Thorn, Va Tech’s Carter, Oregon State’s Drucker or Cornell’s Stanzione: two top-ten guys & two top-twenty. Then he’ll see Ramos & Stieber & Nebraska & Michigan’s top-20 guys Kiley & Stevens, but won’t see Futrell or Quiroga in duals.
Mat-room reports tell of Nico getting ridden hard on top by Martellotti, so my back-burner hopes of an upset of McD are dwindling ;) I haven’t heard anything at all about Reber in the room yet.
It’s becoming more and more clear that Alton’s gonna RS, so they’ve got Sherlock battling Pearsall for 141. That’s gonna be one of the closest matchups in the intra-squad dual next Thursday. Man, we gotta find a way to get some points from those three weights, cuz it’s lookin very bleak against Iowa’s three in there.
Iowa and Penn State are kind of like funhouse mirror reflections.
We’re strongest at the lower weights and you’re strongest at the upper weights. I think we’re a little stronger in the upper weights than you, but mainly because minus 197, we have guys with some experience there, whereas it looks like you’ll be breaking in new starters at 125, 133, and 141.
Looking at it weight by weight…
125: Pretty big Iowa advantage
133: Some Iowa advantage
141: Possibly big Iowa advantage
149: Pretty big PSU advantage
157: Possibly big Iowa advantage
165: Big PSU advantage
174: Slight PSU advantage
184: Slight PSU advantage
197: Probably PSU advantage
HWT: push
So I give you guys advantages at 5 weights, Iowa advantages at 4 weights, and one push between us. BUT I like our chances of getting bonus points much more than yours (minus the Sainted Unicorn). EL pushed Ruth hard at Big Tens last year and Gambrall and Wright split their matches, as I recall. (Though Wright did pin GG at NCAAs.) If it starts at 125, the dual could be 10-0 or 11-0 Iowa before Frank the Tank even hits the mat. (And he’ll probably just lay on our guy for six minutes anyway.)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Well done!
Funhouse mirrors indeed. And agreed on most of those counts. Only at half our weight-classes do we know, (granted, in the offseason), what we’ve got. Proven, if you will. You all, otoh, pretty much know what you’ve got at 7 of them. So, yeah, in Duals vs Iowa & Minny (and maybe even Lehigh, since it’s also early), we may not have enough points to win.
And B1G’s could again be tighter than Nationals. It may turn out that D.Alton/Cowburn is only about as far away from DSJ as Ethen is to Ruth, or that Martellotti could end up a push with Ramos. But that’s the kind of shit we have to hope for. And for Pearsall/Sherlock to not be as far away from Marion as Evans/Kelly are from DT. And by ‘far away’, I mean ‘can reduce the team scoring gap between them’ at B1Gs & Nationals. The B1G is pretty light at 197, so maybe McIntosh can score a top-3 there? Yep, that’s the state of PSU’s team this year: counting on true frosh to score points—at two different weights.
At Nationals, we could say we’ve each got 4 proven top-3 contenders (Iowa at 125, 141, 157 & 184 & PSU at 149, 165, 174, 184), with h2h at only one weight. Anything less than 3rd at any of those weights will be extremely disappointing and may take either team out of the running, and the final team scoring may come down more to who finishes those weights with the 4pt championships than it will to consi performances. McD, DT & Tank look the least obstructed from the field. Marion & DSJ have two giants they’ll have to go through. Ruth’s got the Stanford Basque & Wright & Gambrall have each other, among many others probably equal to their talents.
But that’s the big guns battle. Of the lighter infantry, Ethen is probably next up, cuz 174 looks weaker nationally than 133, where the unknown newcomers Quiroga, Stieber & Mango give Ramos plenty to fight through to score team points. And this year, it’s gonna hurt worse than last to not get a weight qualified. PSU is generally counting on more scoring in the 157/165 group than last year, largely cuz we didn’t score shit at 165 last year. But just getting Alton/Cowburn there doesn’t mean they’ll do anything. I couldn’t believe how tough scoring team points in the national tournament was last year (if you lost your quarterfinal match). PSU went 15-1 on day one and got 7 of 8 dudes to the quarters. 5 of them went on to top-3, but the two who didn’t only scored 4.5 (Alton, 2Adv, 2.5bonus) & 2 (Wade) when neither won another match after that. Hopefully, we can still qualify at 125, 141 & 197, but can they even score when they get there? Iowa’s in a similar boat at 197 & 149 and maybe also at 165.
Damn, that’s a lot. The two teams are really fucking even. And that doesn’t even touch upon OSU.
Wait, what the fuck?
No headgear in that video?
Fucking heathens!
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..." - Teddy Roosevelt
I couldn't believe he just threw Murphy into the center of the third place match.
Looks like an exciting prospect.
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