Iowa Football: Where Running The Football Well Doesn't Happen
In the lead-up to the Northwestern game, I believe I called Iowa an "average" running team. As it turns out that assessment may have been generous: post-jNW game, Iowa is 77th in the nation in running the ball (133.5 ypg). The stats are even grislier when you compare Iowa to just their fellow Big Ten teams: they rank 12th... out of 12 teams. Yes, dead-last. Behind Indiana. Behind Minnesota. Behind everybody. How did this happen? We entered the season thinking that the running game would be the strongest part of Iowa's offense: we returned a sophomore running back (Marcus Coker) who had run for 600+ yards as a freshman and had a blistering performance on the Insight Bowl and four offensive linemen with starting experience (Riley Reiff, Marcus Zusevics, Adam Gettis, James Ferentz), and we returned an offensive coordinator who loves to pound the rock when given the opportunity. So what's the problem?
It's not really Marcus Coker's fault. To be sure, he hasn't been the same forceful, dominating runner that he was often last year; injuries hampered his early season efforts (and seemed to rob him of some confidence) and the offensive line struggled to consistently open good holes. But Coker hasn't been bad: he's run for 578 yards on 127 carries. That 4.6 ypc average isn't stellar (Shonn Greene ran for 6.0 ypc in 2008, for reference's sake), but it's not awful. He ranks sixth in the Big Ten and fourth among just running backs. That's okay. The larger problem? He is getting almost zero help. Let's drive that point home with the help of some charts because I am a closet Georgia Tech fan they are pretty (they can all be embiggened by clicking on them):
Coker's had 66% of Iowa's total rushing attempts this year (I removed Vandenberg's ten sacks from the stats). If that seems like a lot of work for one back... that's because it is a lot of work for one running back.
Just sixty-four of Iowa's total rushing attempts this year have gone to a player other than Coker. Only one time in the last five years has a single Iowa running back hoarded carries as much as Coker is on pace to this year: that would be one Mr. Shonn Greene in 2008. Now I don't think I need to tell you this (you've watched the last six games, yeah?), but Marcus Coker is no Shonn Greene (nor is the 2011 Iowa offensive line as good as the 2008 Iowa offensive line). I like Coker (a lot, actually), but that's just the facts. In 2008, Shonn had 63% of Iowa's total carries. In other recent years, the lead ball carrier has had around 50% of the total carries. Adam Robinson had 43% of the carries in 2009 and 47% of the carries last year. Albert Young had 53% of the carries in 2007. And by Big Ten standards, Coker is really getting overworked.
The only other Big Ten team with a primary rusher with over 50% of his team's carries is Penn State, where Silas Redd has been hoovering up carries like a fat kid at a buffet. And even he's only at 53%. Some teams -- like Northwestern (27%), Ohio State (28%), Indiana (29%), Purdue (30%), and Illinois (34%) -- share the wealth a lot, although sometimes that's unintentional (for instance, Ohio State's stats would probably be skewed more towards Boom Herron if he hadn't been suspended for the first six games of the season) and sometimes it's because there just aren't any decent options (cough cough, Indiana, Northwestern). But even the best running attacks in the league don't rely as heavily on one runner as Iowa is on Coker. At Wisconsin, for instance, Montee Ball (currently #2 in rushing yards among Big Ten running backs) has only carried the ball on 42% of Wisconsin's carries.
The production charts seem to reflect this as well: get more people involved, get more rushing yards.
Wisconsin has gotten 653 yards from Ball -- but almost 900 from other runners, on their way to 1545 rushing yards. Michigan has gotten 762 yards from Denard Robinson on the ground -- and 862 from other sources, on their way to a league-best 1624 rushing yards. Nathan Scheelhaase is Illinois' leading rusher (396 yards), but he's getting a lot of help: three Illinois running backs have over 300 yards: Troy Pollard (385), Donovonn Young (327), and Jason Ford (309). And so on.
Iowa? Through six weeks, Iowa's second-leading rusher is... Mika'il McCall, with 61 yards on 9 carries. That would be the same McCall that was injured in the first quarter of the Tennessee Tech game. Not counting James Vandenberg, only one other Iowa player has over ten carries this season: De'Andre Johnson, who has 11 (good for 50 yards). And he's only got that many carries because he got some garbage time carries last week against Northwestern. Other than Johnson, we've seen Damon Bullock get 8 carries (22 yards), Jordan Canzeri get 5 carries (30 yards), and Jason White get 2 carries (11 yards) despite being listed as RB2 since the end of training camp. All told, Iowa's back-up running backs have combined for 35 carries and 174 yards. Take out McCall's efforts and that drops to 26 carries for 133 yards.
Last year, Coker ran the ball 114 times for 622 yards; obviously those numbers were goosed a bit by the fact that injuries and "academic indigestion" kept Robinson out for most of November, but still. In 2009, Wegher complemented A-Rob to the tune of 641 yards on 162 carries. In 2008, even with Greene dominating everything, Jewel still rumbled for 463 yards on 91 carries. And in 2007, Damian Sims snatched up 499 yards on 100 carries as Albert Young's understudy. This year, Iowa's RB2 (we'll use Johnson since he's #2 in carries right now) is on pace for a whopping 22 carries and 100 yards. That's not bad... for a game. That's downright awful for a season.
Now obviously this wasn't the gameplan the Iowa coaches drew up in training camp. It's obvious from their comments (and the fact that he saw so much action so early in the Tennessee Tech game*) that they liked McCall a lot. He probably would have seen a pretty fair number of carries if he hadn't gotten injured in that game. He certainly looked very promising in the limited time we saw him. But that was six weeks ago and it was immediately obvious that he wouldn't be coming back anytime soon for Iowa (although reports this week suggest that he might be able to return before the end of the season) -- and yet over the next 23 quarters, we saw the non-Coker running backs get just those aforementioned 26 carries for 133 yards (despite the fact that Coker was clearly banged up and not himself for many of those games). Yes, Bullock and Canzeri are true freshmen and not well-versed in blocking or blitz pick-up and, yes, Johnson is still finding his footing after rehabbing from an ACL injury and, yes, White is a walk-on seemingly best-suited to special teams and the occasional slot receiver role... they still needed more carries than they've been getting. Wearing Coker to the bone (only Redd is averaging as many carries per game -- 21 -- as Coker) isn't doing him any favors -- and it's not helping the Iowa running game all that much, either.
* Although that also was a partial result of Coker's early season injuries, I imagine.
The next two weeks offer reason for hope when it comes to the Iowa rushing attack -- Indiana ranks dead last in the league at run defense, giving up a whopping 227 ypg (which is also good -- or maybe bad? -- enough for 117th in the nation), a full 50 yards worse than the team in 11th place (Northwestern). Then again, we played that same Northwestern team last week and ran for only 155 yards against them, less than their average performance (172 ypg)**. Minnesota ranks 9th in the league at 167 ypg -- and they'll almost certainly be lower after Nebraska gets through with them this week. These are two bad run defenses that Iowa should -- should -- be able to feast on. The fact that we're the proud possessors of the worst rushing offense in the league makes that less of a sure thing, though -- especially if we continue to rely so heavily on Coker. He can probably run for 100+ on both the Hoosiers and Gophers, but 170+? 220+? That's asking a lot of him... and, frankly, it's probably more than we need to be asking of him against those two. These look like perfect games to give guys like Canzeri and Johnson more extensive runouts with the Iowa offense. Your weird but true factoid of the week is that Iowa has had a freshman running back run for 100+ against Indiana in three straight years (Jewel Hampton in 2008, Brandon Wegher in 2009, Coker in 2010); it would be very nice to see Canzeri, Johnson, or Bullock continue that trend on Saturday.
** To be fair, this almost certainly had a lot to do with the fact that Iowa ran only 50 plays last week. Given more plays, they likely would have ran the ball more and with them averaging a healthy 5.5 ypc, they would have gotten up to 172 yards in no time.
Of course, the dirty little secret of the Iowa offense is that outside of 2008, we haven't been a good running team for a while. (The 2011 figures below are projections based on the current year-to-date stats.)
Over the last four seasons, Iowa's placed eighth or lower in the league three times (2007, 2009, 2010). Twice (2007, 2009) Iowa's placed 10th in the league. Even in the great Shonn Greene year of 2008 Iowa placed a scintillating... fourth. And this is a team that (a) loves to run the ball, (b) wants to run the ball, and (c) prides itself on offensive line play. Granted, the constant predations of AIRBHG haven't helped matters in the least -- Iowa's only been able to roll out an upperclassmen twice in that span (2007 and 2008) and you're going to take your lumps when you keep throwing freshmen (true or redshirt) into the fire year after year (unless those freshmen are Marcus Lattimore-types... which they haven't been).
But this is still worrying stuff -- and a big reason why Iowa has fielded average (or worse) offenses so often over the last five years. The passing game has been able to pick up the slack to a degree over the last year and a half -- Ricky Stanzi posted some of the best numbers an Iowa quarterback has had in decades and Vandenberg is, remarkably, on pace to almost equal him this year (2010 Stanzi: 64% completion, 3004 yards, 25/6 TD/INT; 2011 Vandenberg thru six games: 61% completion, 1488 yards, 12/4 TD/INT) -- but it's mainly just been able to get the Iowa offense back into the range of "mostly respectable." When you consistently field average or worse offenses, the only way to avoid average or worse results is to have excellent defense and special teams. Iowa had that in 2008 and 2009 and was able to scrape and claw their way to 20 wins.
Of course, in 2011 Iowa obviously doesn't have an excellent defense, once again putting more pressure on the offense to pick up the slack. In both of Iowa's losses this year (Iowa State and Penn State), the offense has turned in sub-par efforts. Unless Vandenberg starts throwing for 300+ a game on a regular basis (which, honestly, he might be able to do with these receivers if given the chance...), the Iowa offense is going to need more out of the running game. Coker's more or less doing his part -- I'm not sure it's fair to expect more than 100 ypg from him -- which means it falls on the remaining running backs to become meaningful contributors. For that to happen, the coaches need to give them opportunities -- and they need to make something of those opportunities. The Northwestern game last week seems all too indicative of the way Iowa is going to need to win this year -- via shootouts -- and if that's the case we need to go into battle armed with more than a blunt knife and an old revolver.
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I think it is all because...
Our running backs have been rather poor the last 3 years, and we have no running threat from the quarterback. Its as simple as that.
if the QB is running threat, he not only picks up lots of yards helping the overall stats, but he opens running lanes for running backs as well.
Of course, a running qb is usually not as good of a passing QB – See Terrell Pryor, Denard Robinson, Juice Williams, etc.
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 21, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Ross, interesting analysis
but just looking at percentages doesn’t give a full picture. I agree that Coker is carrying the ball too much and we need to get someone else more reps, if for no other reason than insurance against a Coker injury. I think, however that Iowa is throwing the ball quite a bit more as a percentage of our total offensive plays than in the previous years you discuss. I suspect that the Hawkeyes are probably close to 50/50 run pass this year as opposed to prior years where we were more 55-45 run pass (or more like 65-35 run pass in 2008) so while Coker is getting the majority of the carries his total carries may not be so out of line from the norm. Coker’s will have about 250 carries by years end at this rate compared to about 210 carries per year for Iowa’s #1 runningbacks (Greene had 300 carries in 2008). Coker is a big strong kid who can handle the number of carries that he is getting.
In my opinion, our problem with the running game is that Coker does not appear to be a big play threat. He is a blue collar guy who will get very few negative carries but even fewer carries of 20 or 30 yards. His 4.5 ypc average probably has a SD or 1 yard or less. Iowa needs an alternative to Marcus; someone who has the speed/shiftiness to cause problems in the open field like Wehger or Simms did for Robinson and Young respectively. McCall looked to be that guy and Canzeri looked pretty good in his very few plays earlier but I don’t think that Bullock, Johnson or White fit the bill
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Good points.
Here’s the run-pass breakdown for those years (with sacks counted as pass plays):
2011 (so far): 51% pass, 49% run
2010: 47% pass, 53% run
2009: 50% pass, 50% run
2008: 41% pass, 59% run
2007: 52% pass, 48% run
We are passing more, but (at least so far) not a ton more than we have in the recent past.
Good point, re: big play threats. That’s been a long-term problem with the run game, though. Looking at 20+ runs year by year:
2011: 3 (Coker 2, McCall 1)
2010: 11 (A-Rob 5, Coker 5, Stanzi 1)
2009: 11 (A-Rob 5, Wegher 4, Chaney 2)
2008: 20 (Greene 16, Hampton 2, Brodell 1, Stanzi 1)
2007: 10 (Young 6, Sims 4)
Coker actually had more 20+ yard runs (5) in 2010 than Wegher did in 2009 (4), despite having 20 fewer carries.
I think the larger problem is that the Iowa offense has been poor (to varying extents) over the last five years. There are a lot of reasons WHY that is… but it needs to get turned around. You cannot regularly compete for conference titles with an offense that regularly finishes in the bottom half (or, worse, bottom third) of the conference.
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END AROUND FTW
2009: 11 (A-Rob 5, Wegher 4, Chaney 2)
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Oct 21, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
MOAR END AROUNDS!
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/shudder
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not to think too much about it
but wasn’t the end around supposed to be a constraint play, and (correct me if I’m wrong) wasn’t it run to keep DEs at home for when we ran play actions and whatnot?
well, if we aren’t running a lot of PA passes then we may not see the end around for a couple years (am I wrong? I’m probably wrong. KOK is crazy on the inside).
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 21, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
They ran that fake? play-action? end around
about 4 times last weekend. you just know that KOK thinks opposing teams are now perfectly set up for it to work. My greatest fear? We run it early tomorrow and Indiana goes all Keystone Kops trying to defend it – players running into each other, missed tackles, simply falling down – that it goes for 60+ yards and TD and KOK decides it is THE GREATEST PLAY EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and runs it 10 times a game from here on out.
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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Oct 21, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Last week we faked end arounds three times....
……to the WR, then handed off to the RB up the gut.
I was waiting for the actual end around, but it never came. However, I will be SHOCKED if we don’t see it in our next (competitive) game. My guess is it’ll be Keenan.
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by The Director on Oct 21, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
with decent success IIRC
I know on at least 2 of those Coker picked up 8-9+
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by The Bacon Explosion on Oct 21, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is probablyh why...
….we kept faking it, and not actually giving it to the WR.
But sometime, Keenan will get called into duty. And when he does….I’m thinking 20-25 yards.
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by The Director on Oct 21, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, this pretty much highlights the fact that..
Iowa doesn’t get any significant rushing yardage from the QB position, and haven’t had any viable options behind Coker since McCall got hurt in the first game.
Illinois (Scheelhase), Ohio State (Braxton Miller), Wisky (Wilson), Northwestern Colter), Michigan (Shoelace), Minnesota (Gray), Nebraska (Martinez), all have QB’s who have more than 150 yards rushing.
Would like to see Iowa get more production out of the running game, but the main thing is to have the run be effective enough to force teams to respect it in order to open up the passing game. That’s pretty much what happened against Northwestern.
Do we really want a RB at QB?
Aside from Wilson who is putting up insane numbers both passing and running (it helps to have the supporting staff he has) James Vandenberg is probably the most dangerous passer in the conference. I expect we will see Shoelace, Gray and Martinez fade into obscurity by season’s end as they are forced to perform against better than average defenses. Also, while I know it means little relative to college performance, Vandy is also arguably the best pro QB prospect in the league according to some of the guys who make a living assessing such things.
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You're right that a running QB would alleviate some of the problems with the running game.
And it would be interesting to see that wrinkle again for Iowa; it certainly worked gangbusters in 2002.
On the other hand, it’s certainly not required. Wiconsin has been a top 5 offense in the conference each of the past five years and until Wilson this year, they’ve never had a QB who was much of a running threat. We deride Wisconsin for copying Iowa, but if they still are, they’re doing what we want to be doing a hell of a lot better than we are.
Would like to see Iowa get more production out of the running game, but the main thing is to have the run be effective enough to force teams to respect it in order to open up the passing game. That’s pretty much what happened against Northwestern.
I agree, in theory, but in practice having the worst rush offense in the league sends up some big warning signs for me. That’s putting a lot of pressure on the passing game, I think.
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I don't disagree, and the facts are facts
but are a lot of those yards (it seemed to me) yards of necessity (I don’t know what else describes it).
The first game he didn’t get worked a lot. The second game he was needed as much as possible. The third game we abandoned the run a bit in the second half, due to the score. The fourth game we did spell Coker a bit. Against Penn State he was needed, but the OLine was getting owned a lot and nothing was particularly effectual. And against jNW he ran well and was spelled when we could afford to.
I’m not sure if it makes sense what I’m trying to get at, but I just mean that circumstance has guided much of the course of action, which brings us to Coker having a substantial percent of the carries (which was amazing to read, by the way… I don’t think I could have analysed the numbers and figured that all out, but I understood exactly what was going on by the way you put it together… well done).
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 21, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, but I just don't agree with that -- not entirely, at least.
The second game he was needed as much as possible.
I’m not sure giving 35 carries to a guy who was clearly a bit banged up and not himself was the smartest decision. Yes, it was a close game, but so what? I do like these coaches, but too often they use “close game” as an excuse for getting even more restrictive with the play-calling and substitution patterns. They’re so terrified of someone making a mistake that they refuse to entertain anything but the most tried-and-true options. Ferentz has all but admitted that he was too stubborn/conservative to play Wegher in the 2009 UNI game… and that he was probably wrong to not play him. He didn’t exactly look overmatched when he debuted in a hostile environment in Ames the very next week. I don’t know that Canzeri, Bullock, or Johnson are at Wegher’s level of readiness, but that’s mainly because they’ve gotten about 20 carries COMBINED through six games.
Against Penn State he was needed, but the OLine was getting owned a lot and nothing was particularly effectual.
So, again, let’s just keep beating away with the “tried and true,” even if it’s not working. Why not give Canzeri or Johnson a few carries to see if they can be a spark? The PSU defense was ready for Coker, but maybe a RB like Canzeri or Johnson would have thrown them off their game a bit.
And against jNW he ran well and was spelled when we could afford to.
So the only time we could afford to was with a 10-point lead and the ability to run the clock out? Not sure I totally buy that one. But I’m willing to give them a bit of a pass on the jNW game, given the strangeness of the offense last week. Only running 50 plays all game (and only about 45 or so that were genuinely meaningful, since the last half-dozen or so were just bleeding out the clock) is a weird situation for a team.
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You're absolutely right.
I hadn’t noticed it, but I’ve watched this coaching staff for so long that I’ve started to think like them a little.
I agree we shouldn’t keep pounding away with something that isn’t working (at least not in every situation), but we know these coaches are waiting for something to break on the other team’s defense. The old “They-are-expecting-us-to-change-so-eventually-the-same-old-thing-is-gonna-work-because-they-aren’t-expecting-it” strategy.
You flushed out what was rattling inside my head. My words were obviously failing me.
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 22, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I may be wrong, but didn't Nolan MacMillan have starting experience too?
And I don’t believe our running backs the last 3 years have been “rather poor,” certainly not from a talent perspective. It’s been more a product of a suspect line, especially the interior at the end of last year/most of this year.
Robinson and Wegher were good players, Hampton had moments where he looked really good/looked to be back on track after the knee, Coker is a power runner who can bowl people over, etc. They haven’t had bad players there.
They definitley need a different option to compliment Coker’s power game, and I agree that McCall and Canzeri look good. And if Iowa wins the next two games and has McCall healthy for the Michigan game, I say he plays. KF has said with increased frequency that we need to focus on winning now, and I agree with him. If McCall gets the all-clear from the doctors and he looks capable in practice, he plays.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
*And I'm mostly referring to the guards when speaking about the interior line play.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
Regarding RB talent
Here is an exercise for you: Rank in your preferred order the Iowa running backfields you would want from the last 18 years
Mine would go something like this:
‘08 Shonn Greene
’94-’96 Sedrick Shaw/Tavian Banks
‘97 Tavian Banks
’98-’01 Ladell Betts era
‘02-03 Fred Russell/Jermelle Lewis era
’05-’07 Albert Young/Damien Sims era
‘09-’11 A-Rob/Coker era
’04 (but only because of injuries. That backfield was stacked going into the season.)
My point being is that thanks to AIRBHG, Iowa has had a weaker backfield over the last 3 years than at any time since the early 1990’s.
Pretty good list
I don’t disagree with much, if any. Ladell’s career would’ve been outstanding had his line not been shitty for 2/3 of his career.
AIRBHG has played a part, no doubt. The book on some of those careers (Robinson, Wegher) are unfortunately missing a few chapters due to that evil diety. The career numbers/projections for Robinson looked solid – he likely would’ve broke the 3,000 yard barrier had he played all 4 years. Only 3 backs in Iowa history have hit that mark (Shaw, Betts, and Young; Banks just missed it). Pretty solid company there had AIRBHG not been a complete fucking bitch.
I think it misses the mark to say the running backs have been “rather poor” of late when Robinson ran for 1775/15 TDs/4.6 per carry over 2 seasons (with a few missed games in there) and Coker is at 1,200/9 TDs/4.9 per carry right now having only played 13 games (1 full season). Even Wegher’s numbers were pretty good for a true freshman (162/641/8 TDs/4.0 per carry). The talent was there.
And besides, most Iowa backfields look weak when compared to the Shaw/Banks vintage – each made the league, sit 1 and 4 in career yardage, and scored 66 combined TDs (33 for each) . Albert Young’s 2005 season was remarkable; fifth best single-season yardage mark in school history. Shonn Greene’s 2008 might never be touched for its all-around brilliance. So yeah, Iowa’s recent backfields have looked weak in comparison to those guys. But those are also some of the best backs to ever play here. So to say they’ve been “rather poor” is off-the-mark in my opinion.
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
4.6 is "rather poor"? That's crazy talk.
Does this mean Fred Russell’s 2003 season was just “average” because he only picked up 4.8 a carry? Sedrick Shaw’s 1995 season saw him average 4.7 a carry (that is, by the way, the 3rd best season from a yardage perspective in school history). Is that “mediocre”?
I don’t mean to start a whole debate over two words in the first post of this story, but I think “rather poor” to describe our recent backs is incorrect. They were talented. The line play hasn’t been great (09 was inconsistent from start to finish, 2010 was good until the last 3 or 4 games, excluding the bowl). The line play in 2008, 2005, 2003, 2002, 1995-97? Those were great lines that churned out some awesome statistics (as evidenced above).
6 a carry is crazy. Banks actually averaged 6.5 in 1997, which is just ungodly. He’s the best running back Iowa’s ever had from a talent perspective (and it’s debatable if football was his best sport – he was an outstanding soccer player as well).
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
I apologize for being needlessly argumentative
First, I wasn’t saying that our recent RBs were “rather poor”, I did say that 4.6 ypc is. There is a difference, and I stand by that judgment.
Having said that, whether 4.6 ypc is “rather poor” is not important, but it is, by definition, below average for an Iowa RB for the past 11 seasons.
I wanna see Ferentz cry.
This is the only thing you've written today that I would dispute.
One, Iowa had the innovator’s advantage with the zone blocking thing in the early half of the decade. Then it stopped being the new new thing. Coker is wrestling with defenses that know exactly what we do. So if we normalize, or control for scheme familiarity, I’d say 4.6 is pretty good.
Two, 4.6 ypc and 8 ypp — and you are going to win every year.
I’m more concerned about the declining numbers of +15 runs. Maybe you are too, since it’s expressed in the averages. But it is this number behind the number that troubles me.
Anyway, when you score 41 while only converting one third down, it’s safe to say that you’re opening things up, and we are. That will only help the running game averages, once the conference figures out that VDB is going downtown at any time, on any down and distance. OBC: if you don’t throw long, the safeties never back up.
We play tackle football.
I didn't mean to be overly disparaging...
But when you play a handful of cupcakes each year, the stats can be distorted.
If you look at other good (but not great) running backs at other programs in the Big Ten in recent years, you will see that 5 yards a carry is typical for a good big ten running back.
A few examples:
Kory Sheets
Tony Hunt
Ammir Pinnix
It’s actually much more common for a Big Ten Running back to get 150+ carries and over 4.7 yards per carry than it is to get 150+ carries and average 4.6 or less.
And for the record, Fred Russell was great in 2003. He was the only real offensive weapon after Mo Brown went down that caused any concern whatsoever for opposing defenses. He ran behind an offensive line that had 1 returning starter and took half a season to come together. He carried the rock game after game and led us to a great season.
Nice work.
God, what a stark difference between the good offensive lines (08, 02, 05) and… everything else. It is interesting that Coker was so much more successful behind the 2010 offensive line (a full yard per carry more) than A-Rob.
Other thoughts…
Damn, Albert’s performance dropped a full ypc from 05 to 06. Part of that was him being banged up a lot that year, but the OL definitely took a hit as well.
Damian Sims needed to get more touches than he ever got. Maybe those 5 ypc averages were the product of limited sample sizes and they would have come down to the 4.5 range if he’d had more touches… but we’ll never know because he never did get those touches.
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Yeah, MacMillan had starting experience; I excluded him since he hadn't played a snap this year (so far).
But in hindsight, he was a reason to be optimistic about the rush offense so I probably should have mentioned him up top. Having him at G instead of Tobin certainly seems like it would have helped the running game.
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More worrisome
is that Scherff hasn’t been able to overtake Tobin for the starting guard spot. His, Scherff’s, little boomlet reminds me a lot of the positive press Gettis was getting in the fall of 2009 during camp, only to get injured and generally be a disappointment.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Tobin was playing well at the end of the jNW game, I thought.
And considering how infrequently the Iowa offense was on the field in that game, I can’t imagine it was because the jNW defense was all that worn down. Now could it have been because they just aren’t very good? Yes. Yes, it could.
I think Tobin has been playing a lot better lately than he was earlier in the season, which is part of the reason that Scherff hasn’t taken the job full-time. I think our running offense would look a lot better if, as The Director noted elsewhere in these comments, Coker’s vision would improve and he hit the holes better. There have been times when there aren’t any holes and there’s not much he can do, but there have also been way too many times where there’s a hole but he makes the wrong cut or he doesn’t see it and just plows into the back of his blocker. If he can start hitting the holes properly, he can turn some of those plays into big yardage and everything — his play, the OL play, our running game, our entire offense — will look a lot better.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I think the problem is that we were AIRBHG'd especially hard in the past season.
We lost Hampton, who was supposed to be our breakout star. We lost Wegher. We lost Robinson. Coker’s done well…but between no support, the fact that he’s young and his running style, well…
And when your RB lineup looks like kids who just got on campus…and nobody else, well then you have a problem.
And not a problem we’ll likely solve unless AIRBHG goes the way of bin Laden or Gaddafi.
(Shot in the head under conditions that are not entirely clear, is what I’m trying to say)
I don't think Robinson was AIRBHG'd...
…he was THC’d
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
Drugs, grades, torn knee ligaments, knocked-up girlfriends...
AIRBHG can attack you in many, many ways.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
AIRBHG is just a dick when you put it that way.
Give me poor grades or drugs (mary jane only, thanks). Knees are harder to fix, as are knocked up girlfriends.
Concussions didn't keep Adam out of the bowl game
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
Point of order
All Wegher has to do is tear a knee ligament and he has all four, counting EtOH as a drug (it got him arrested).
Brandon – don’t tear a ligament, you don’t get anything special if you take everything AIRBHG can dish out.
"Sometimes the truth gets in the way of a good story" - KF
by The Bacon Explosion on Oct 21, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
"Concussions didn't keep Adam out of the bowl game"
I disagree. The reason was academics (or lack thereof) which did not appear to be a problem before the concussions. Given the latest research on concussions, I think that it’s reasonable to assume that A-Rob’s concussions played a role in his academic problems.
He died for our sins.
by Jesus-H-ARob on Oct 22, 2011 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions
And that's why I'm afraid for Coker.
You can’t make the muscles on your head bigger (well, not in a way that would help with concussions). Add in that Coker off bends of with his eyes down leading with the top of his head instead of keep his eyes and taking the contact with his shoulder.
More carries means more chances to get concussed. I know there were a couple of times when he comes up and his body language indicates at least a mild concussion. I would not be surprised if he ends up concussed at some point this year.
meh
Not sure that knocking up a girlfriend would've been enough.
AIRBHG probably realized his team, family, and girlfriend’s family would offer support and also included knocking up a teammate’s girlfriend for good measure. That’ll REALLY make you feel like an outsider.
BOOM 4-3 cover 2! Deal with that!
by 99playsNAblitzaint1 on Oct 21, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
AIRBHG puts holes in condoms.
It’s also the little devil on your shoulder saying, “C’mon, ONE TOKE won’t kill you, will it? What are you, a pussy?”
AIRBHG comes in many devious forms.
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by The Director on Oct 21, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Coker looked much better against jNW
and he’s likely to continue to improve. It’s like he had the “yips” earlier in the year and if you don’t know what I’m talking about you’re obviously not a bowler. But he’s also not going to break any runs if he intentionally runs into the first unblocked LB or DB he sees. Just because you have power doesn’t mean smashing into a defender is smart running.
Well, he ain't gonna elude the guy
might as well take him head on if you outweigh him by 30 lbs.
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields
Return of THE CAMBUS may be a factor here, too.
Excited to see what the next 6 games brings regarding the running game and use of RBs.
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Oct 21, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
He looked very good catching passes last weekend
I don’t know why but that surprised me.
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!
I hadn’t heard he was cleared to play, and was so fucking excited every time I saw him on the screen. I was telling everyone that would listen at the bar to watch out now that he’s in. I can’t wait to see how KOK utilizes him.
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 21, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can’t wait to see how KOK utilizes him.
I’m sure he’ll get 5-10 carriers per….hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Sorry, the thought of Iowa utilizing the FB does that to me.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Coker looks like he's trying to be Freddy Russell
at twice the size. Really would like to see more plant and cuts from him.
I think he's getting better about it each week
He discovered he wasn’t Marshall Faulk and has been running more north/south.
He has improved greatly
He averaged 3.9 ypg in first three games.
And averaged 5.5 ypg the last three games. Even against PSU, he averaged more ypc—4.3—than he did in any of the first three games.
I wanna see Ferentz cry.
Yeah, he's been getting a lot better, which is really good to see.
Even without the stats, just from the eyeball test his runs look better — much more decisive and much less dancing.
If he maintains that 5.5 ypc average and continues to get 21 carries a game, he’ll be getting around 116 ypg, which would be really good. That said, the average rushing offense in the league this year (jNW) is going for 180 ypg, which means we need to find another 65 ypg from someone (or someones) to be average. (And, obviously, that’s just in the games going forward; overall, we’re almost certainly going to be a below-average rushing offense this year, unless Coker, Canzeri, Johnson, and Bullock turn into the Four Horsemen.)
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Can canzeri, bullock, and johnson block though?
Because otherwise its going to be a dead give away for the play call every time one of them trots onto the field.
I get this... but are we somehow the only team in the country that can't teach freshmen how to block?
Other teams use freshmen running backs with considerable success; is that because their freshmen can block and ours can’t or because they’re just able to execute plays better even when other teams “know what’s coming” (or have a good hunch, anyway)?
I feel like we (and the coaches especially) use this as a crutch a lot, and I wonder how true it is or if the coaches are just being hyper-conservative and cautious. Um… on second thought, don’t answer that one.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Pretty sure Jewel did the same thing
to an Arizona LB last year. That guy was physical. And probably is destroying fools wherever the hell he ended up.
Its probably because our coaches standards betray their strategy
I think an 6th grader could be more deceptive in thier play calling than KOK. They teach Recognizing KOK Playcalls 101 in an afternoon at other big ten schools.
My theory
Is that other coaches are more willing to scheme around their players’ deficiencies, while our coaches prefer to improve deficiencies.
One result of this is less variance in performance, which leads to better play against the good teams and worse performance against the poor teams. Another result of this philosophy is more NFL draft picks than expected based on recruiting.
I wanna see Ferentz cry.
by nattybumpo on Oct 21, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I think there should be a think in there somewhere.
by coltranemonk on Oct 21, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Think I don't.
This can be stated enough.
/sorry, couldn’t resist
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by The Director on Oct 21, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Succinct and correct. Rec.
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by therealCatnuts on Oct 21, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, our passing game is prone to getting blitzed.
We always have troubles with blitzing, and everyone tries to blitz us, and our QB’s aren’t all that mobile to elude blitzes, which makes which RB you have back there protecting all the more important.
That being said, nattybumpo is correct. We spend a year trying to turn square pegs into round pegs, rather than altering the hole.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Oct 21, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Draws with shifty, speedy backs are good ways to get teams to call off blitzing "a lot".
Study tendencies, put Canzeri in there when you think they’re going to blitz and run a draw play. When he breaks off a 30 yarder and a fifteen yarder, they’ll stop blitzing as much.
meh
My new friend.
He gets it.
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-@DanBeebe
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 21, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I still don't like this. Which year was it? 2003?
Fred Russell and Edgar Cervantes. If Fred was in alone, you knew it was a run. If Cervantes was in by himself, you knew it was pass. This team has not been afraid to telegraph plays.
meh
A thought
I wonder how the numbers would stack up as percentage of rushes out of total plays, and rushing yards as a percentage of total yards?
I have a hunch you’d see that a big factor in Iowa’s low numbers on the ground this year is their inability to consistently maintain a drive, and thus a lower number of rushing plays as a part of the lower number of total plays. So which is the chicken, and which is the egg? And what would be the root cause if my hunch is correct?
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields
Well...
So far we’ve run the ball on 51% of our offensive plays this year. Rushing yards* (801) account for 35% of our total offense (2319). I’m not sure what means, exactly. I guess that we’re still running the ball a lot, despite not being very good at it?
In terms of total plays, assuming we make a bowl game we’re currently on pace to run more plays than we did last year (on pace for 852 this year; ran 806 last year), but about the same as 2009 (846) and 2008 (835). We ran a ton more plays than normal in the Pitt game thanks to the hurry-up offense, but that was kind of balanced out by the shockingly low number of plays we ran last week (50!). But if the hurry-up makes many more return appearances this year, that could definitely skew our overall numbers.
*That may include sack yardage, too; I’m not sure.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Or does this simply mean we are a much better passing team?
I think our poor running game goes straight to the offensive line. Maybe they’ve been spending more time learning pass protection than in the past? Maybe they’re just not as good? Either way, if we had the ‘08 or ’02 lines this season, we’d be doing a lot better on the ground with the same RBs.
We definitely are a better passing team.
We have the #2 pass offense in the league right now. Last year it was #5. There’s certainly an argument to be made that we’re a passing offense and we need to leverage that more. Wide receiver has been the strongest unit on the offense each of the last two years and the OL does seem a lot better at pass protection than run blocking.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
#2 is better than I expected
I’m still disappointed in the OL but there is no question that we seemed to have entered a new era for quality Iowa QBs. We haven’t seen the likes of a McCann/Chandler in a long time (Christensen not included, he was very highly touted and was destroyed by Iowa’s worst OL of the decade). If the strength of the team is QB/WR I’m glad KF is putting the emphasis there, rather than trying to run when we won’t succeed.
I think our poor running game goes straight to the offensive line.
I agree. Does the zone blocking scheme just take the perfect set of circumstances to work – need the right guys up front in both size and athleticism, the right set of backs (I’m thinking of 2002)? Several NFL teams use it, but it’s not overly common in college, and I’d guess even less so in the high school ranks. Is it just a tough system to teach and therefore takes a lot of time to perfect?
Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.
Tough system to teach? Actually no
It’s a tough system to EXECUTE. Zone blocking is a bitch because as the lineman, you don’t necessarily know who you’re going to block when the play starts. That’s a lot harder than lining up across from a guy and blocking him.
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Agreed and execution by the OLine is where we are struggling.
The basic idea behind the system is that your running game is driven by the coordinated effort of the OLine’s blocking and the RB is then required to make only one cut. This should be a boon when a team has talented linemen but questionable skill talent, because the linemen make the running game work. However, when you have good RB talent and poor line execution, well, things go to shit.
a boon when a team has talented linemen but questionable skill talent
This must be why we chose the system. Given our recruiting base, it is easier to field talented linemen than RBs.
I wanna see Ferentz cry.
You are full of apt, pithy comments today!
In addition, OL is a position people grow into—rarely do you see a freshman or even a sophomore All American O-lineman, or even All Big 10 OL.
But you see frosh and soph AA RB’s and WR’s not infrequently. Even Reiff, an NFL shoe-in, isn’t having a dominant season, and he’s a junior. Other than QB, I think the OL is the hardest position to learn.
Even harder when your blocking scheme is based on experience and “feel” rather than, “you block this guy, he blocks this guy, and the RB hits the hole between you.”
Also, it’s harder for the RB, who also has to find the right hole. Coker had a 30 yard gain just staring him in the face—one step to his left is all—only he ran the wrong way around the blocker and got about 3 yds.
It takes time and experience. Meanwhile, we’re a traditionally “run-first” team that can’t run.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Oct 21, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
How does that stack up with other big ten teams?
51% of our plays account for 35% of our yards.
What percentage of, say, Wisconsin’s plays are rushes, and what percentage of their offensive yardage is from the running game?
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull." - W.C. Fields
Just looking at Wisconsin...
So far this year, 37% of their plays on offense have been pass plays and 63% have been run plays.
Of their total offensive production, 51% has come from passing (1594) and 49% has come from rushing (1545).
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I believe we are building the team around VDB and the wideouts, who are classy.
Ferentz is always playing the long game, and the long game here is setting up for next year already. I won’t be surprised at all if passes go to 55%.
I don’t know why I’m not properly impressed with Wisconsin. Maybe it’s because I don’t think they have one of their better linebacking corps, they haven’t played anyone tough yet (Nebraska is still in the flag football portion of their transition), and for everything he has achieved, Bret B. doesn’t seem to be a good in-game manager.
We play tackle football.
Building around VDB and the wideouts would be the wise move, I think -- this year for sure.
McNutt and Davis is a fantastic 1-2 punch and if Martin-Manley gets back to the groove he was in around the Pitt/ULM games, that’s an excellent trio of wide receivers to work with. I’m not sold on it for next year just yet — Martin-Manley needs to become more consistent and he’ll either have to replace McNutt on the outside or one of the newbies (Grant, Hillyer, Shumpert, etc.) will. The potential is certainly there for another strong year of QB/WR play, though.
As far as Wisconsin… their offense has put up ungodly numbers so far. They’re averaging a full 100 ypg more than anyone else in the league, which is stunning. They’re leading the league in passing despite throwing the ball less than anyone except Nebraska (who’s 10th in passing) and Ohio State (12th). They’re averaging an obscene 11.3 yards per passing attempt. BUT… that’s all with the (not-insignificant) caveat that they haven’t played anyone with a pulse yet. We’ll know far more about how good they are after the next two weeks. Michigan State has a ferocious defense and Ohio State, after getting fairly embarrassed by Miami a month ago, has really tightened up the screws on defense pretty well (that implosion against Nebraska notwithstanding). I lean towards being a Badger believer this year, but we’ll know for certain by Halloween.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I think Coker has more Shonn Greene in him than he or us give him credit for.
Maybe not quite as fast/quick but close. He needs to find his inner Shonn Greene. I think the line play will be good by the time our tougher games come around. (Hopefully).
It's so sad how a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.
by FiveSecondRuleChef on Oct 21, 2011 2:12 PM CDT reply actions
I watched ScottHawk's pump up video from before the 2009 season last night - don't ask why
But what stuck out in the video about Greene’s running wasn’t the way he lowered the shoulder and BOOMsticked unsuspecting safeties. (Coker certainly has that aspect to his game).
It was the way he would spin the second a defender was about to lay hands on him, slipping out of their grasp, and without losing an ounce of momentum. It was like he was parkouring over the linebackers, rolling over them and onto the green space ahead.
Coker does not (yet?) have this aspect to his game.
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by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Oct 21, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah.
I think the non-Duong touchdown run he had in the Purdue game in 2008 displayed that ability pretty emphatically.
Or that ridiculous touchdown run he had against Wisco where he managed to break tackles or elude tackles from at least half of the Wisco defense.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Greene Posterized Duong on both TD's
First with the 360 making Duong whiff in the whole, and then again when Greene was the hammer and Duong the nail.
I wanna see Ferentz cry.
Yeah, I thought it was Duong who was victimized on the spin move, but I couldn't remember for sure.
Thanks.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Honestly, if we get the o-line together; I think Coker will be better than Greene.
I think he has better potential anyway.
Battles are won with a hammer, wars are won with a scalpel
You may be right
But I think you are crazy. Coker is not anywhere near as fast, quick or agile as Greene, and I don’t see that changing.
Coker is missing one thing Shonn had...
….and that’s vision. Shonn never seemed to go to the wrong place, whereas Coker sometimes attacks one spot for 3 yds when perhaps another spot would have gotten him 25 (as I note in a post above from last week). Coker’s running instincts are not serving him as well as Shonn’s served him.
On the other hand, Coker has OUTSTANDING hands for an RB! Wheel route, anyone?
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Oct 21, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
THIS
Also, Coker’s intelligence (he’s pretty widely viewed as the smartest guy on the team) is something a good coach should take advantage of. Let him run some route options out of the backfield and make the linebacker that is responsible for him look like a fool. I can just see Coker doing a "oh you want to cover the flat? I’m hitting the seam on you – shading in? I’m going right behind you on a corner route. However, that requires a very good QB to recognize which route he’s running.
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He's already for short-tight-end size
He’s about 6-2 and 230 (IIRC), and he catches better than our ACTUAL TE’s, so why not use him as one sometimes? Heck, even put him in the slot and have him run a crossing route or something.
But he’s got GREAT hands, which was a surprise to me. Really makes catching even a tough ball look smooth and easy.
"Apparently, riding Joe Paterno like a small horse is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!"
by The Director on Oct 21, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with all that.
His hands are definitely his most underrated asset and one it would be nice to see the coaches try to utilize a bit more.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I like the idea of putting him out wide in obvious passing situations
Although that means we probably have to have Rogers in so that the inevitable blitz that comes with that doesn’t kill Vanderberg in the process…
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
by The Bird Cult on Oct 21, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Coker's what, 19?
Shonn was 23 in his one year.
Coker has 14 months in the program?
Coker has a little less than one season of starts in the can?
How about we worry about how he and Shonn Greene wind up comparing with each other, after Coker has grown up. Coker is going to be one extremely frightening human being, to DBs, after two more years of Iowa weightlifting.
I think he’ll run for 150-200 tomorrow, incidentally. I think he’s been getting better each week and Indiana could collapse. It’s the time of year, and the circumstances, that cause broken teams with hothead coaches to buckle.
We play tackle football.
If he runs for that much, I hope it's only because he got it on limited runs and in 2.5 quarters of work or so.
I would like to see him have a big game, but tomorrow’s game should also tailor-made for the back-ups to get some meaningful action and develop some confidence.
I would be ecstatic to see a game like 2008, where the offensie just manhandled Indiana. Shonn got his 100 yards — and then Jewel came in and HE got 100 yards, too. Seeing something like that again would be excellent.
Agreed, re: Indiana, though. They seem like an utter mess right now. I hope we can jump on them early — if that happens, I think they’ll crumble.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
If he runs for that much, I hope it's only because he got it on limited runs and in 2.5 quarters of work or so.
I would like to see him have a big game, but tomorrow’s game should also tailor-made for the back-ups to get some meaningful action and develop some confidence.
I would be ecstatic to see a game like 2008, where the offensie just manhandled Indiana. Shonn got his 100 yards — and then Jewel came in and HE got 100 yards, too. Seeing something like that again would be excellent.
Agreed, re: Indiana, though. They seem like an utter mess right now. I hope we can jump on them early — if that happens, I think they’ll crumble.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
So is A.J. Derby a prospect for a running QB?
And if he is then why is KF moving him to linebacker? I saw something in the gazette about that yeserday.
KOK is actively recruiting the youngest Derby brother
…Marquise Denard Derby…then we go all out pistol in 2013.
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
bang bang!
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Hey! Where's my Ten Reasons Why Iowa Will Lose to Indiana!
Is Stoops on a sympathy strike with the NBA player’s union?
We play tackle football.
Ten Reasons is on hiatus this week.
Stoops promises that it will be back next week, though.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
But how will we know who is to win this sporting match?
Battles are won with a hammer, wars are won with a scalpel
Just know that we're fucked
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by ClaybornSmash on Oct 21, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's "borked" now.
"Pursue happiness... with diligence."
by Bucketochicken on Oct 21, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Just assume we're doomed.
I understand they’re playing someone named Bellen Koore at QB on Saturday and there’s some jerk named Ames Bardy at WR.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Ross, I love charts too
but your pie and line charts are almost Ferentzesque in their vanillaness .Charts can titillate as well as educate….

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
by Kluginator on Oct 21, 2011 2:37 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I need to find the "Lingerie Football Player" option in Excel...
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Which one is Rypien's daughter?
You got no fear of the underdog; That's why you will not survive!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Oct 21, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Download MS Office 2012 Beta version and..
then a quick keystroke shortcut with (Control – Alt – F13). For the pole dancer options hit F18.
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
I started reading the Control Alt bit
and thought “If he says F4 that’s a total dick IT guy move”. Then I saw what you did and LOL’ed
Please note that the internet does not, as of yet, have a sarcasm font.
Hey, me too!
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
Since I'm technologicall slow.
What does Ctrl – Alt – F4 do?
No, I’m not trying it either.
It's not that I'm lazy, Bob, it's that I just don't care
When you're done on this particular page
Try it and you’ll see what it does. I promise it won’t hurt anything on your computer.
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Take Ctrl out of the equation
/hangs head in shame, turns in IT badge
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Well this was certainly depressing.
Thanks Ross! Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I can't tell that you've stopped.
Never *question* Bruce Dickinson!
by The Bird Cult on Oct 21, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
It takes a LONG time
to come down off the model airplane glue
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah, it really sticks with you.
OH MAN I KNOCKED THAT ONE OUT OF THE PARK!
"TAYLOR MARTINEZ IS AIDS ON TWO FEET"
-@DanBeebe
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 22, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, on the bright side, being at the bottom means there's nowhere to go but up, right?
Hmm… this must be what Minnesota fans feel like. Ugh.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Excellent Analysis
One would only hope that a certain KOK would be surfing the web and come across this content…….
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