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Caring Is Creepy 2012: Have A Seat, Sam Brooks, Thomas Gilman, And Topher Carton

It's been all quiet on the wrestling recruiting front for the last few months, but that figured to change after the biggest recruiting weekend of the year: nearly a dozen recruits (including more than a few blue-chippers) were in attendance this weekend to check out practice with the current Iowa wrestlers, take in the pomp and pageantry of the primetime Iowa-Northwestern football game, and whatever else goes on during recruiting visits.  And change it has: Iowa added three verbal commitments on Monday, lower-weight stars Thomas Gilman and Topher Carton and upper-weight blue-chipper Sam Brooks.

Of the three, Brooks fills the biggest need by far.  He's the 20th best senior in InterMat's HS rankings, 22nd best in d1collegewrestling's rankings, and 2nd at 195 on The Open Mat.  He was an Illinois state champion at 160 lbs. in 2010 and state runner-up at 171 lbs. in 2011, but he wrestled at 189 lbs. at the Junior Nationals this summer (where he placed third in Greco-Roman and fourth in freestyle) and projects at 184 lbs. or 197 lbs. in college.  Obviously those are two weights where Iowa has considerable need: 184 is devoid of options aside from Grant Gambrall and 197 has, well, no one of any renown.  If he slots in at 184, the timing would be excellent: his redshirt year would be the same as Gambrall's senior year.  On the other hand, if he's a better fit at 197 (which seems quite possible), he could be an immediate option there.  Iowa's M.O. under Brands has been to redshirt all true freshmen, but the lack of options at 197 could force him to adjust that plan.  Regardless of where he slots into the lineup, though, Brooks provides exceptionally valuable depth at an area on the roster where Iowa badly needs options.

Star-divide

In an interview with Andy Hamilton, Brooks admitted that prior to his visit to Iowa City last weekend, Illinois and Minnesota were his top two (he also had offers from Oklahoma State and Missouri, so yeah: he's a big-time prospect).  What swayed him to Iowa?  The fans, of course:

"I want to wrestle in Carver-Hawkeye Arena in front of all those fans, and I feel like that's where I have the best shot of being the best wrestler," he said. "I love the way Iowa guys wrestle.  That's how I want to wrestle."

The excellent credentials of the Iowa coaching staff and the legacy of success (both in the recent and not-so-recent past) are obviously big reasons for Iowa's appeal to prospective recruits, but the quantity -- and quality -- of the Iowa fanbase is also significant.  There isn't another program in the nation where you can go and wrestle in front of over 10,000 intensely passionate (and knowledgeable) fans -- it's an atmosphere that truly is second to none in the world of college wrestling.

Thomas Gilman doesn't come to Iowa at a position of great need like Brooks, but he does come as Iowa's most celebrated recruit of the last few years.  He's the 5th ranked prospect (all weights) by InterMat and d1collegewrestling and the 2nd ranked wrestler at 119 lbs. by The Open Mat, making him Iowa's highest-ranked recruit since Mike Evans in 2010 (also a top-5 guy).  As you might expect with a ranking that high, he has a pretty sparkling resume: Junior National Champion and three-time undefeated Nebraska state champion.  He's wrestled -- and beat -- a lot of other top guys across the nation.  Gilman chose Iowa over Nebraska and Oklahoma State and while he was a lifelong Iowa fan, he was hesitant to pull the trigger with Iowa -- especially after they landed Clark, another elite recruit in Gilman's same weight range.  

"After they picked up Cory Clark, I really wasn't sure if that was the place to be," Gilman said.  "But then I started thinking about it and that's what Iowa wrestling is about.  They bring in the best guys and have them battle it out and whoever comes out on top is going to be the guy starting and probably winning a national championship.  I figured I'd just go there and have the best workout partners, coaches, best facilities, best everything."

Needless to say, that's pretty much the perfect attitude for an Iowa wrestler to have (and, based on the video above, he definitely wrestles an Iowa-friendly style).  Competition is not something to be feared but embraced -- which is precisely the attitude you find at elite programs across the country, no matter the sport.  Alabama brings in elite football recruits on top of elite football recruits, Duke brings in elite basketball recruits on top of elite basketball recruits, and so on.  Hell, I'm sure in the world of women's field hockey lacrosse recruiting, Northwestern brings in elite recruits on top of elite recruits.  That's just the way it works -- and how the very best stay the very best.

(Also, if you want to see a match between Clark and Gilman, you're in luck.)

Topher Carton, Iowa's third verbal commitment from the weekend, is the least splashy of the bunch (he's not ranked by InterMat, d1collegewrestling, or The Open Mat), but his excellent prep record (121-0, three-time state champion) suggests that he doesn't lack for potential.  Carton's a Quad Cities kid; he won his first two titles for Rock Island Allerman before moving across the river to Davenport Assumption and winning another title last year.  Like fellow Iowa commits Cory Clark and Thomas Gilman, he'll be trying to become an unbeaten four-time state champ this year.  Part of the reason Carton doesn't register on a lot of recruiting lists is because his body of work is almost exclusively limited to what he's done in high school meets and tournaments: he hasn't been nearly as active in the national tournaments or summer scene as many other recruits and as a result doesn't have a very big body of work against top wrestlers.  None of that means that he's a bad wrestler, of course -- Brands isn't in the habit of recruiting sub-par wrestlers and 121-0 is nothing to sniff at.  Carton's commitment was hardly unexpected, either.  There were rumors that he had committed to Iowa as far back as July and he's a self-described longtime Iowa fan:

"I've been a Hawkeye fan for a couple years now and I've always wanted to wrestle for their program," he said.  "It all kind of came together these last couple years."

It would have been far more of a shock if he'd opted to not come to Iowa (his other offers were from Indiana and Bucknell).  

The bigger question is figuring out where Gilman and Carton slot into the Iowa line-up.  Unlike Brooks, who projects at weights where Iowa is in dire need of help, both Gilman and Carton project at weights were the depth chart isn't nearly as bare.  Gilman projects at 125 lbs. or 133 lbs., while Carton is (for now) slotted at either 133 lbs. or 141 lbs.  And there's fellow verbal commit Clark, who also projects at 125 lbs. or 133 lbs.  There's also some young options already in the room, like Tony Ramos (a sophomore and the projected starter at 133 lbs.), Josh Dziewa (a redshirt freshman and a possible starter at 141 lbs. after Montell Marion departs), and Jake Ballweg (a redshirt freshman and possible starter at either 141 lbs. or 149 lbs.).  One of Gilman or Clark will likely take over for McDonough at 125 lbs. in 2013 (unless Ramos drops down to that weight as a senior), but the other will either have to wait a year to replace Ramos -- or do battle with Dziewa and Ballweg at 141 lbs.  And, of course, Carton may have a say in those battles, too: he's nowhere near as highly-rated as either Gilman or Clark, but high rankings don't automatically translate to collegiate dominance.  Just ask Matt McDonough, who was almost an afterthought as an Iowa recruit, but is on pace to have one of the finest careers of any Iowa wrestler in recent memory.

That said, having a surplus of options is hardly a bad thing -- in fact, it's one of the things that's helped make Iowa such a dominant force in collegiate wrestling.  Having high-quality depth not only gives you options if injury, illness, or good old "academic indigestion" strike -- it also makes your starters better by giving them better practice partners.  "Iron sharpens iron" is a tired old cliche... but it's also very true when it comes to a sport like wrestling.  You get better by competing against the best day in and day out, so the more top wrestlers Iowa can squeeze into the practice room, the better for everyone involved.  Of course, the downside of that is that there are only ten starting spots, which means some talented wrestlers may get buried behind other talented wrestlers.  Take Iowa's situation at 133 lbs.: Tony Ramos seems likely to start, which means that guys like Tyler Clark and Nate Moore (potential All-Americans) get stuck riding the pine.  

And if nothing else, Iowa's recruiting success this weekend should quiet any concerns about the slow start to recruiting or about the loss of Doug Schwab as a recruiter.  Schwab's doing a bang-up job at UNI, but Brands & Co. can clearly still put together a very strong recruiting class.  With the additions of Gilman, Brooks, and Carton to the already-verballed Clark, Iowa now has three recruits in the Top 25 -- and it doesn't sound like they're done.  By the time this class is done, it could rival the excellent top-ranked 2010 recruiting class.

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Not to change the subject but...

…one has to wonder how Iowa State, Okie and Okie State can compete for recruits as the Big 12 wrestling schools continue to jump ship. If Missouri goes to the SEC, I can only assume that they drop wrestling and will leave the Big 12 with just 3 wrestling programs. Would the conference even keep wrestling as a varsity sport?

More on topic, it was huge for Iowa to steal a kid like Gilman especially when you look at the quality depth we already have in the bottom weights. The Carton kid could be a good one also, I’ve seen him wrestle a few times for Assumption and he is a goer. But the most critical get has to be Brooks to fill that black hole of a weight class in 97. By the way Ross, I was getting pissed at you for that video thinking that at least you could find a video of the kid winning. You’re a sneaky bastard.

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Oct 19, 2011 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Hmm, I hadn't considered that Mizzou would just drop wrestling if they went to the SEC.

That would be a really terrible outcome. I just thought they would either leave wrestling in the BXII (although depending on how butthurt the remaining BXII schools are, I guess that may not be an option) or link up with some other conference in the country. There’s no shortage of crazy-quilt leagues in wrestling. As far as the remaining BXII schools, so long as they can afford it, I have a hard time seeing them drop wrestling — it’s a pretty popular sport in Iowa and Oklahoma and Okie State is, after all, one of the most legendary programs in the sport. It would be a terrible shame if they dropped it. I would think they’d link up with a different conference – the MAC, the Pac 10, etc. Isn’t there another Western conference too? I think they’d find a way to make it work.

Yeah, it didn’t sound very good about landing Gilman for a while… between getting Brooks at the same weight (more or less) and the rumors of Okie State (or other programs) being able to offer him more scholarship money, it didn’t seem like he was going to be a Hawk. Which would have been too bad, because after watching him wrestle… goddamn, he looks like an Iowa guy. Really glad he’s coming aboard.

Couldn’t find any video of Carton, but he sounds like a good get. He hasn’t gotten much pub or recruiting coverage because hasn’t been out hitting the freestyle tournaments and whatnot. I have no idea how things shake out with him, Clark, and Gilman, though. Seems like someone is going to be the odd man out unless they get up to 141.

I made sure to find a video of Brooks winning! Which was harder than I expected it to be… he’s won a lot, but he’s also had some high-profile losses… and all of ’em seem to be on YouTube.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 19, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can’t imagine they offered Carton much money.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Oct 20, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it seems unlikely.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 20, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

My brother is going to head up to IA City to talk to the Iowa guys in the next few weeks

He obviously doesn’t expect money, but he would love to be in that room. There is still an incredibly strong draw to that program for Iowa kids.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Oct 20, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

I mean, the Trizzino kids have very very very little shot of cracking the Iowa line-up, but they just want to be a part of the room, which is quite a testament to Iowa.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 20, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Their family also has a pretty strong legacy with the Hawks

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Oct 20, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know in 1999 MU said they were making a huge commitment to their wrestling program and they wanted to compete for National Championships.

Now, granted, that was 12 years ago but I can’t think they would drop wrestling b/c they go to the SEC. There are a lot of programs they can compete with and wouldn’t they be making more money in the SEC to support their wrestling program?

by Carfino'sWay on Oct 19, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jake Waste is a great name.

Jake Waste is a loose cannon garbageman cleaning up a dirty city.

"Who do you think you are? You’re the son-of-a-bitch that sat at that desk over there and fired Johnny Cash. Let it go down in history that you’re the dumbest son-of-a-bitch I’ve ever met." - Merle Haggard

by ReadingRambler on Oct 19, 2011 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Gilman's a spicy mofo, too. (damn, almost cursed)

There was actually some good competition n the state tournament last year – 3 guys undefeated in the semis. That included the Class C state champ (NE’s 3rd-largest class) as his team had just moved up to class B, and won it, 12-5.

"I just love Thomas Gilman," Hildebrandt said. "I just love the way he wrestles. He came out and took control of the match right away. He’s done that all year."

Gilman’s in-your-face, attacking style led to six takedowns as he won the battle of two-time state champions. Bolling lost for the first time in 116 high school matches.

How was this kid NOT going to come to Iowa?

meh

by tyger1147 on Oct 19, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

A bit off-topic, but I hope we get more CIC 2012 in the near-future

The football team had a boat-load of recruits – some of them highly-rated guys – at the game Saturday as well. These en masse recruiting weekends are a huge pull anymore. Night game, the black and yellow sections, card stunt…hard not to commit when the atmosphere is great, and I’ve heard that downtown has made a mini-comeback this year.

Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.

by Nickhawk08 on Oct 19, 2011 12:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing.

But what I’ve read about the various football recruits, they’re all holding pretty steady at waiting until the end of the season. Maybin was about to commit, but he held off. And basketball is essentially locked up.

meh

by tyger1147 on Oct 19, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've read the same

Looks like this class could be a great one, but we’ll have to wait until November or December to completely fill it out because guys like Maybin, Morgan, Darboh, etc. are in a holding pattern to announce.

Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.

by Nickhawk08 on Oct 19, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I would do more CIC 2012 if there was more to report.

Alas…

Maybe someone will decided to sign on soon. And if that someone happens to be a defensive lineman… huzzah!

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 19, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're absolutely right about competition in the room.
That said, having a surplus of options is hardly a bad thing — in fact, it’s one of the things that’s helped make Iowa such a dominant force in collegiate wrestling

With the way college recruiting works these days, it’s a little harder to convince a bunch of talented kids to come in to a room that’s already crowded, but that’s what makes this program what it is. It’s a challenge right from the outset; if you wanna wrestle in that black singlet in front of thousands, you better whoop some ass inside that practice space first. And that is no guarantee.

Templeton Rye'd the Lightning.

by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Oct 19, 2011 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

That weird feeling

Does it make you tingle in places your bathing suit covers?

by jtothep on Oct 19, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't be bothered to check those facts.

They’re just Northwestern, after all.

"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"

by RossWB on Oct 19, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

It will be nice

knowing that we have nothing to worry about between 125 and 149 for the next few years

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 19, 2011 12:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

AIMWHG* is listening.

*Angry Iowa Middleweight Wrestler Hating God.

by Blackheartnopants on Oct 19, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

with the kids we have at those weights in the room

I fear for AIMWHG’s health, he/she would in for an ass whoopin

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants

by Kluginator on Oct 19, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

That explains a lot

While enjoying my continental breakfast and emerging from the fog of the prior night in the Comfort Suites in Coralville, I noticed Brands sitting in the front lobby with at least three different families. Although I am sure my debilitated state skewed my perspective, Brands’ intensity seemed to be oozing out of his pores.

I’m not wearing underwear…what if I pre my pants?

by three and out the kok story on Oct 19, 2011 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Topher Carton is a silly name and is That' 70's Show old enough that kids named after people on that show are old enough to go to college?

Also, I really hope what he means by

I’ve been a Hawkeye fan for a couple years now
is “I’ve been a Hawkeye fan my entire life, like since I came out of the womb.” I mean the kid is from the Quad Cities and he is a good wrestler it should be a given.

by Carfino'sWay on Oct 19, 2011 7:41 PM CDT reply actions  

He started out in Illinois

and came over to Assumption recently. People from Illinois don’t know their back from their front.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Oct 20, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

After McDonough graduates

We’ll be looking at some excellent lowerweight battles between Iowa/PSU. Here’s TOM’s ‘top prospects’ feature that has some fun scouting reports on Gilman, Clark & PSU’s Gulibon.
Gilman:

Notes: Gilman is extremely athletic and displays great ‘feel’. He can improvise. He’s been wrestling 119 for a couple years now, so it appears he’s leveled off, weight-wise, which makes it easier to project a certain continued string of success. Gilman is particularly effective from front-head. He’s able to turn the corner against the best of competition. The ability to convert these low-risk/high-percentage scores translates well to the next level. Of particular note is Gilman’s arc. He seems to be getting better and better. Definitely not one of these kids who have peaked or plateau-ed. As such, his #2 ranking here is just as much about his future potential, as it is about past performance.

Clark:

Notes: Clark competed at 119 last year and posted a third consecutive undefeated state-title-winning campaign. And while he’s always been a national name and talent, his undefeated JR freestyle duals performance this summer bumped him up a tier. Among his wins at that tournament were matches against defending Fargo Champ, Eddie Klimara, Weber, and Sam Brancale. Clark stays heavy on the head and controls ties to the extent that he often dominates the pace of the bout. He’s good at cutting the corner from front head and dragging out when he’s underneath it. But one thing he needs to work on is creating angles and setting up scoring opportunities. Against elite kids who are defensively savvy enough to stay square, Clark is sometimes offensively-challenged.

Gulibon:

Plus: Gulibon’s attributes portend great future success at the next level. His style translates to the college game perhaps more completely than any individual I’ve scouted in the five years I’ve been compiling the Top Prospect Report. Those traits: relentless work on his feet, pounding the head and constant forward action. If he’s able to mash your head to the mat, his lateral quickness results in points. If not, he gets you out of position enough to score with leg attacks to either side: a high crotch to his left, or a straight single to the right after an overhand tie to the same side. Gulibon is also a hammer on top. Because he’s so adept on his feet, he shows more ability as a turner than a rider. Though, he may be able to ride for prolonged periods. He just hasn’t ever had to.

by jtothep on Oct 20, 2011 1:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree

and all of us wrestling fans should remain friends throughout. I think Rambler should pound Cael’s fifth place medal into a ploughshare and, together, we can turn two ignominious losses into a bounty of Iowa corn whiskey and 717 apple jack.

Parsimony methods are the easiest ones to explain - Felsenstein

by Lycurgus on Oct 20, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

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